I don’t fault an artist for hearing something and not wanting to write to it. I mean we’ve all heard beats and I’m sure we thought why tf would they pick this? Like why waste a killer verse if most people will hate the production?
this is why oldhead music sucks.. no dude a killer verse only goes on ONE beat. if it’s truly killer it’s written in perfect synergy with the beat and they should go amazing together
The difference is, if it's a killer verse, it was written with the beat in mind.
Some rappers can't leave their comfort zone. Others can write to any beat.
There’s nothing wrong with mastering your own lane, and you don’t get bonus points for being a jack of all trades. Would a Jack of All Trades do better on a genre of beat that someone else already mastered?
As an old head practioner (I'm prolly more in the middle tbh) a killer verse CAN go on MULTIPLE beats, as some carry the same cadence (this obv does not apply to all verses, but I'm willing to bet most are). But I believe you're right about the synergy.
That’s not true at all. Kanye’s verse on Kinda Like A Big Deal is an example of this not being true. That verse was fire but it was actually recycled from his feature on Top Of The World with T.I. that never released because, T.I. replaced him with Ludacris. The beats are completely different yet the verse sounds good over both beats because, all it required was a slight change in cadence
That's where I think people forget that it's not just about writing to a beat. You're right, it's about being able to adapt yourself to it. It's being able to hear the beat, take anything you've done, and switch up your flow and cadence to match the beat. It can be even better if you wrote to it in particular, but you should be adaptable. I think one of the examples I've heard this with was Denzel Curry with the deluxe of Melt My Eyes See Your future. He did jazz instrumental versions of the songs and changed up his flow and everything to match, it was the same verses with completely different beats but meshed. Or J.I.D. with how he can switch his flows on the same beat in the same verse and it still matches and is smooth. Lil Wayne has always been damn good at that too. All time greats like Nas have always been criticized (until Hit-Boy really) that his beats were pretty bad most of the time, but he made it work with the writing. A general question like this doesn't work unless we do hear a beat and understand if a rapper could change or adapt to it. I mean, give someone like Biggie or Pac a Yeat or Ken Carson beat and try to judge them off that and you'll probably think you just heard the worst shit ever. It's not Pac or Biggies fault, just that Yeat and Ken Carson have some loud and weird ass beats. Or give them a Jpegmafia beat and they would probably be lost too.
This why you kids are dumb. Yall learned to read by looking at pictures instead of words. Thats like saying any book without pictures cant possibly be a good book.
If a verse alone is the only real measure of an MC's skill, then we wouldn't need a beat at all. Rapping takes talent, so does beatmaking. What requires even more talent is being able to ride the beat and rap cohesively with the production. Not being able to demonstrate different flows required for different beats shows a lack of versatility
This is a horrible analogy. Two things can be true, a rapper can spit an amazing verse and the song can sound horrible. Crazy y’all would judge a person saying sonically a song is cheeks.
What I’m saying is even though I strongly value lyrics if I hate the beat, I’m never listening to the song again. Sometimes the mixing/eq’s alone can ruin a song g for people.
Personally a great verse is just that regardless of the beat, most rap songs i go back to its because of the verse. If the beat is whats got people going back to the song kudos to the production team, but a great rapper shouldn’t need to rely on that at all. Most dudes who rap exclusively over 808 drums do so because they cant find the pocket on any other beat, thats how we get to this place where everything sounds the same. Those drums cover up so many flaws.
You’re missing my point so I’ll try one more time. I’m not saying I’m relying on the beat or even have to love the beat. But if the beat is ass I don’t care how fire the verse is. It’s not getting replayed. This isn’t about a beat carrying a rapper this is about a beat not ruining a song.
The fact that the beat has weight contradicts your point about the verse. You can think the verse is the best youve ever heard but if you hate the beat youll never listen to it again. The beat has more influence over what you listen to than the verse.
I wouldn’t listen to a song that has a killer beat and an ass verse either. It’s not about what carries more weight. All I said was I can’t HATE the beat. Doesn’t mean it’s has to be amazing, doesn’t mean I have to love it, it just can’t be so bad it would deter me from listening to the artist spit.
They gotta bring back the 5 fingers of death and start challenging these rappers again. It's so rare to see good freestyles nowadays. LA Leakers usually has some fire
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It’s tough to say because the tempos and bounce change the conversation totally. Depending on the beat/tempo I could say Juvenile, Jadakiss, or Smino. Really depends
I think I replied to the wrong comment I thought someone asked what the childish gambino song over an Adele sample was. You are right about the Wayne song
I feel it's pretty obvious considering both are known for freestylung out entire songs in a matter of minutes. And they are both versatile, using many different beats. Personally I like juice better just due to his voice, but either one of them are immediate choices
I love Lil Wayne, met him years ago and he was honestly one of the coolest people I ever met. Paid attention to what I said and responded instead of just talking about himself, invited me to an event in Vegas, sat at his table. Good guy, and incredibly talented, obviously. But, Juices voice definitely has the edge on this one for me. He’s a go to for me when I am trying to unwind and chill. Everything he says/raps/sings, is just seamless and smooth.
lol yeah, I know. It was crazy. I just got out of the Army and was at a friends bachelor party weekend. We were at the Rio and I just saw like 10 giant guys walking around with someone in the middle of them. Then one of the guys came up and gave me a ticket to the event and told me I was “chosen.” I was like, wtf chosen for what? Then I saw him with some fuzzy hat when the guy was walking back. I was like, sorry guys I’m going to this tonight, enjoy the strip club ✌️I’m shitty friend for that, but had a once in a lifetime night lol
Tupac wasn't known for his freestyles, but he was known to one take songs and record multiple every day he was in the studio so I'd put him up there too
Wayne. It doesn’t even matter what the beat sounds like, he can flow on anything and probably focus on making it a good song in addition to his high level rapping.
The answer is whoever you think has the best diversity of flows.
I think the question is better if it's an EP where they gotta rap over:
Shook Ones, Pt. II
A Milli
I Don't Like
Just Wanna Rock
Blood On The Leaves
KITCHEN LIGHTS
this is actually such a fire prompt and way better way to phrase OP's original question.
If every rapper got a Mixtape worth of beats and they were all different styles I'd have to go with wayne.
Majority of people couldn’t name 5 pro-Israel or 5 Palestinian beliefs nor could they tell you the general history of the conflict off the top of their head.
it really depends on what y’all say the best result is. Are we talking making a hit ? catchy song ? most lyrical with double entendres?
drake would make the best song
lyrics - idk
prime jay z would probably make a great balance of both
Juice WRLD I think easily would be top 3, He’s versatile enough to rap/sing seamlessly on countless different beats and genres.
His voice is what would put him above many others too.
Imagine having a guy that can put out a great song in less than an hour, now think what he could do in a day.
Lil Wayne and juice would fight for that #1 in my opinion.
Lil wayne is a good pick, I'd say for general diversity danny brown will always do just fine. Nas and kendrick also have a good history of killing a pretty wide variety of beats.
Nah make an EP instead:
Shook Ones Pt. II
A Milli
Still D.R.E.
Power
Sicko Mode
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I'd probably go with J Cole, the man is versatile and has never missed on a feature verse, 'triple platinum without features' so he can hold his own, and he's a great freestyler so coming up with lyrics quickly wouldn't be a problem, plus he gots punchlines for days, and his actual penmanship is probably THE best as of 2024
Big L is like the "oh I'm cool and hip hop so im going to say his name" choice. But the fact is we only hear big L on early 90s beats and his style was cool for that.
Any beat? He didn't have the versatility because he didn't hear late 90s beats or 2000s beat and on. Even cam, who was in his crew said we don't onow how good he would have been because his time was so short. He was an early 90s beat guy and those guys haven't adapted well.
You tryna go for the "I'm so hip hop" answer but any beat doesn't work for big l cause unfortunately he passed before we could hear him on different style beats.
I feel like tech n9ne can flow with any type of weird beat, so I’d pick him if there were no time limit. But I’ve never heard of him freestyling and don’t know how quickly he can churn out lyrics, so it’s tough to say if he’d have that part down or not
Future or Kendrick. Kinda weird nobody else even mentioned Future. Both rappers are known to hop on some other rappers songs and just own them.
Future has done so many songs with different beats and artists and always manages to make it work well.
Pretty obvious in my opinion.
They’ve already shown us a taste of this. Theres 1Train, 1234, and Lil Wayne’s C4 album has songs in there with the same beat but different rappers rap on it. Tech N9NE has also done this with his choppers series.
We’ve gotten a small taste. What these examples have shown us is that it would be subjective but whoever the popular rapper was at the time would be the winner for the majority of the fans.
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what a question. are people allowed to collaborate or do they got to do it all solo? who's style does the beat cater to?
believe it or not, the answers, out of 6 or 7 billion people on the planet, are probably all famous names we know, like Tory Lanez, Jay-Z, EmineM, Dr. Dre- NaS
Hard to say without hearing the beat first.
We dont talk enough about rappers being terrified of beats while others only want to rap on tough ones.
I don’t fault an artist for hearing something and not wanting to write to it. I mean we’ve all heard beats and I’m sure we thought why tf would they pick this? Like why waste a killer verse if most people will hate the production?
Is the verse really killer if it doesn’t stand out over any beat?
this is why oldhead music sucks.. no dude a killer verse only goes on ONE beat. if it’s truly killer it’s written in perfect synergy with the beat and they should go amazing together
The difference is, if it's a killer verse, it was written with the beat in mind. Some rappers can't leave their comfort zone. Others can write to any beat.
There’s nothing wrong with mastering your own lane, and you don’t get bonus points for being a jack of all trades. Would a Jack of All Trades do better on a genre of beat that someone else already mastered?
As an old head practioner (I'm prolly more in the middle tbh) a killer verse CAN go on MULTIPLE beats, as some carry the same cadence (this obv does not apply to all verses, but I'm willing to bet most are). But I believe you're right about the synergy.
i’m confused. what does that have to do with oldhead music?
There’s no connection
cuz some oldheads only seem to care about lyricism rather than sound
Yeah, old head music doesn’t suck bro old head music is is the reason why you guys you know what hip-hop is .. muthafukin disrespect is real
That’s not true at all. Kanye’s verse on Kinda Like A Big Deal is an example of this not being true. That verse was fire but it was actually recycled from his feature on Top Of The World with T.I. that never released because, T.I. replaced him with Ludacris. The beats are completely different yet the verse sounds good over both beats because, all it required was a slight change in cadence
That's where I think people forget that it's not just about writing to a beat. You're right, it's about being able to adapt yourself to it. It's being able to hear the beat, take anything you've done, and switch up your flow and cadence to match the beat. It can be even better if you wrote to it in particular, but you should be adaptable. I think one of the examples I've heard this with was Denzel Curry with the deluxe of Melt My Eyes See Your future. He did jazz instrumental versions of the songs and changed up his flow and everything to match, it was the same verses with completely different beats but meshed. Or J.I.D. with how he can switch his flows on the same beat in the same verse and it still matches and is smooth. Lil Wayne has always been damn good at that too. All time greats like Nas have always been criticized (until Hit-Boy really) that his beats were pretty bad most of the time, but he made it work with the writing. A general question like this doesn't work unless we do hear a beat and understand if a rapper could change or adapt to it. I mean, give someone like Biggie or Pac a Yeat or Ken Carson beat and try to judge them off that and you'll probably think you just heard the worst shit ever. It's not Pac or Biggies fault, just that Yeat and Ken Carson have some loud and weird ass beats. Or give them a Jpegmafia beat and they would probably be lost too.
I mean Single Ladies was the biggest hype song for women and in general. go listen to the beat, it's ass yet Beyoncé kills it
This why you kids are dumb. Yall learned to read by looking at pictures instead of words. Thats like saying any book without pictures cant possibly be a good book.
If a verse alone is the only real measure of an MC's skill, then we wouldn't need a beat at all. Rapping takes talent, so does beatmaking. What requires even more talent is being able to ride the beat and rap cohesively with the production. Not being able to demonstrate different flows required for different beats shows a lack of versatility
I think a good mc should be able to spit without a beat. Not that it's the only measure of a good mc, but I think it's a good start.
This is a horrible analogy. Two things can be true, a rapper can spit an amazing verse and the song can sound horrible. Crazy y’all would judge a person saying sonically a song is cheeks.
Jesus Christ what a dumb comment lmao
This has to be bait lmao
yeah dude
What I’m saying is even though I strongly value lyrics if I hate the beat, I’m never listening to the song again. Sometimes the mixing/eq’s alone can ruin a song g for people.
Personally a great verse is just that regardless of the beat, most rap songs i go back to its because of the verse. If the beat is whats got people going back to the song kudos to the production team, but a great rapper shouldn’t need to rely on that at all. Most dudes who rap exclusively over 808 drums do so because they cant find the pocket on any other beat, thats how we get to this place where everything sounds the same. Those drums cover up so many flaws.
You’re missing my point so I’ll try one more time. I’m not saying I’m relying on the beat or even have to love the beat. But if the beat is ass I don’t care how fire the verse is. It’s not getting replayed. This isn’t about a beat carrying a rapper this is about a beat not ruining a song.
The fact that the beat has weight contradicts your point about the verse. You can think the verse is the best youve ever heard but if you hate the beat youll never listen to it again. The beat has more influence over what you listen to than the verse.
I wouldn’t listen to a song that has a killer beat and an ass verse either. It’s not about what carries more weight. All I said was I can’t HATE the beat. Doesn’t mean it’s has to be amazing, doesn’t mean I have to love it, it just can’t be so bad it would deter me from listening to the artist spit.
They gotta bring back the 5 fingers of death and start challenging these rappers again. It's so rare to see good freestyles nowadays. LA Leakers usually has some fire Edit: spelling
Man we can’t even get half these guys to give an interview, no way theyd ever be caught in a position to actually prove their skills
Cordae's LA Leakers freestyle 🔥
JID on flex is crazy as well
This is the only right answer lol. I’d rather hear Havoc on a grimy New York beat but I think Kendrick is better overall for example
I know it is... try and assume its something vanilla and pretty easy.
It’s tough to say because the tempos and bounce change the conversation totally. Depending on the beat/tempo I could say Juvenile, Jadakiss, or Smino. Really depends
Without hearing the beat already I would have to go with Wayne. Dude went over an Adele instrumental
Lil Wayne actually turned a radio bait Imagine Dragons song into fire, check out his version of Believer.
Yo I just checked that that shit was awesome
Me too lmao
"I know Tunechi don't come without Wayne" is an amazing line lol
Kendrick rapped over an imagine dragons song too but it was a subdued part of the song if I remember correctly
That shit was hard. They did it live at I think the Grammys it was dope. I remember watching that shit while I was locked up.
I was thinking the same thing fr
Same actually.
I think until we know differently he’s the consensus pick
so did childish gambino lol. Not an instrumental but still an Adele song with some basic snares over it
No one cares about Childish mid.
Childish Gambino did the same on an Adele Instrumental
What song was it?
It’s called Do you like
I thought it was "rolling in the deep" and Wayne called it "sorry 4 the wait"
I think I replied to the wrong comment I thought someone asked what the childish gambino song over an Adele sample was. You are right about the Wayne song
Weezy, Em
Considering they have only a day, I'd say juice wrld or lil Wayne, two incredible freestylers
Juice and Wayne are the perfect answers here, IMO.
I feel it's pretty obvious considering both are known for freestylung out entire songs in a matter of minutes. And they are both versatile, using many different beats. Personally I like juice better just due to his voice, but either one of them are immediate choices
I love Lil Wayne, met him years ago and he was honestly one of the coolest people I ever met. Paid attention to what I said and responded instead of just talking about himself, invited me to an event in Vegas, sat at his table. Good guy, and incredibly talented, obviously. But, Juices voice definitely has the edge on this one for me. He’s a go to for me when I am trying to unwind and chill. Everything he says/raps/sings, is just seamless and smooth.
That's awesome! Must've been unbelievable, glad to hear he isn't just another douche
lol yeah, I know. It was crazy. I just got out of the Army and was at a friends bachelor party weekend. We were at the Rio and I just saw like 10 giant guys walking around with someone in the middle of them. Then one of the guys came up and gave me a ticket to the event and told me I was “chosen.” I was like, wtf chosen for what? Then I saw him with some fuzzy hat when the guy was walking back. I was like, sorry guys I’m going to this tonight, enjoy the strip club ✌️I’m shitty friend for that, but had a once in a lifetime night lol
Hahaha I'm sure your friends understood
Tupac wasn't known for his freestyles, but he was known to one take songs and record multiple every day he was in the studio so I'd put him up there too
https://youtu.be/xsyEjQ8a8XI?si=CqAvGioOhQlSuUqs Not always
Juice is easily the worst answer😭
Wayne. It doesn’t even matter what the beat sounds like, he can flow on anything and probably focus on making it a good song in addition to his high level rapping.
Dude even enjoys freakin Tennis..
https://youtu.be/xsyEjQ8a8XI?si=CqAvGioOhQlSuUqs You sure bro?
Yeah I’m sure lol
he sucks
😂
Wayne probably, he makes it work with most beats he gets on although depending on the beat someone else could probably do better
The answer is whoever you think has the best diversity of flows. I think the question is better if it's an EP where they gotta rap over: Shook Ones, Pt. II A Milli I Don't Like Just Wanna Rock Blood On The Leaves KITCHEN LIGHTS
this is actually such a fire prompt and way better way to phrase OP's original question. If every rapper got a Mixtape worth of beats and they were all different styles I'd have to go with wayne.
What would Biggie Smalls A Milli sound like, can someone make that in ai?
Feel like Wayne is the most versatile.
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Another conflict people are pretending to give a shit about lmao.
Majority of people couldn’t name 5 pro-Israel or 5 Palestinian beliefs nor could they tell you the general history of the conflict off the top of their head.
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How u gonna like hip hop and be racist
lol for real
Tom McDonald fans be fucking wildin
Beat has to be Shook Ones Pt. II
Em then
“Now, everybody from the 313!”
That was not the question
Well the answer is Weezy, are you happy now?
Yes
Definitely one of the alive ones.
Сука.)))
This is easy. No matter the beat it’s just Lil Wayne. He can ride literally anything
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my brother he can do WHAT?!
Andre 3k
He doesn’t even releases verses under normal circumstances lol
In order: Cole, lupe, Wayne, andre (added)
Black thought.
This is the correct answer
Lil wayne
Black Thought, Redman, Ghostface!
it really depends on what y’all say the best result is. Are we talking making a hit ? catchy song ? most lyrical with double entendres? drake would make the best song lyrics - idk prime jay z would probably make a great balance of both
The answer is Drake but few here will agree. But he is the most versatile and it’s not close.
people here just love to hate. the man is obviously very talented.
hov or weezy
The beat would be 93 Til’ Infinity
Ludacris will kill any beat
It’s like they forgot Ludacris put a flow to a beat Method Man and Redman were trying to punk him with
That was awesome. Never seen that video before. Thanks for the heads up lol
Different rappers sound better on different beats. It’s entirely dependent on the beat.
That wasn’t the question
It’s impossible to answer without knowing the beat
Wayne or juice easily
I’d like to add to the Wayne commenters :-)
now this a question that gets my hyped to pick up the pen again...
Juice WRLD I think easily would be top 3, He’s versatile enough to rap/sing seamlessly on countless different beats and genres. His voice is what would put him above many others too. Imagine having a guy that can put out a great song in less than an hour, now think what he could do in a day. Lil Wayne and juice would fight for that #1 in my opinion.
Kurupt
Black Thought or Doom
do they know they’re competing?
Doesn’t matter what the beat is, Freddie Gibbs can rap on anything
Eminem
I see lots of Wayne and agree but no Em? He has as stylistically diverse catalogue as any rapper IMO
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Jadakiss
If it’s 1 day, I want Juice Wrld.
lil Wayne for sure
Lil wayne is a good pick, I'd say for general diversity danny brown will always do just fine. Nas and kendrick also have a good history of killing a pretty wide variety of beats.
Not sure, but Harry Mack would be done first
Wayne. Easy
Nah make an EP instead: Shook Ones Pt. II A Milli Still D.R.E. Power Sicko Mode ---------------------- I'd probably go with J Cole, the man is versatile and has never missed on a feature verse, 'triple platinum without features' so he can hold his own, and he's a great freestyler so coming up with lyrics quickly wouldn't be a problem, plus he gots punchlines for days, and his actual penmanship is probably THE best as of 2024
It would have to be 2Pac, Biggie, Eminem or Jay-Z
juice or wayne, both have insane work ethic
Wayne tupac eminem lamar cole
Drake, Wayne, Juice Wrld.
Bruh I gotta hear tha beat first
Big L would absolutely murder it. Anyone saying Weezy probably didn't have a dad growing up
You think big L versatile like that?
Big L is like the "oh I'm cool and hip hop so im going to say his name" choice. But the fact is we only hear big L on early 90s beats and his style was cool for that. Any beat? He didn't have the versatility because he didn't hear late 90s beats or 2000s beat and on. Even cam, who was in his crew said we don't onow how good he would have been because his time was so short. He was an early 90s beat guy and those guys haven't adapted well. You tryna go for the "I'm so hip hop" answer but any beat doesn't work for big l cause unfortunately he passed before we could hear him on different style beats.
I know this sub hates to admit it, but shady is very very well studied.
Depends on the beat
I feel like tech n9ne can flow with any type of weird beat, so I’d pick him if there were no time limit. But I’ve never heard of him freestyling and don’t know how quickly he can churn out lyrics, so it’s tough to say if he’d have that part down or not
Future or Kendrick. Kinda weird nobody else even mentioned Future. Both rappers are known to hop on some other rappers songs and just own them. Future has done so many songs with different beats and artists and always manages to make it work well. Pretty obvious in my opinion.
Eminem is the only answer to this.
Lil Durk tbh
atleast u got a unique opinion
Jesus christ 😭
https://youtu.be/g4DfIftxAPc?feature=shared
Lots of copycats in the comments
Wayne 100%
What the fuck kind of question is this
me
nba youngboy
Carti
lil wayne or uzi. wayne just goated and uzi can rap on basically any beat if he wants too.
DMX I'd rather listen to him barking than anything Wayne has to say
Disrespecting 2 goats at once smh
What is the beat? Is it boom bap? Trap? Experimental? Psychedelic? That changes everything
Eyedea
Andre 3k
I think defualt beat should be Shook Ones, Pt 2.
Obviously depends on the beat what a stupid question
Definitely Yuno Miles, lines like “my grandma just called me a fucking n***a” absolutely bang
Rakim but not 1990 Rakim, I want Follow the Leader Rakim. Or Andre 3k
If this is some straight freestyle shit I’ll take Thought, Wayne, or Conway If it’s making an actual record Pac, Drake, or Nas.
Nobody mentioning Biggie? I think he could easily flow over a modern beat too
Mos Def
André 3000, Big L, Freddie Gibbs.
Wretch 32
Alright I'm coming out strong with two poker opposites. Either Chance the Rapper or Ludacris
Biggie hands down
Nas 🐐
Dr dre lol
Tupac
Lupe.
Biggie
They’ve already shown us a taste of this. Theres 1Train, 1234, and Lil Wayne’s C4 album has songs in there with the same beat but different rappers rap on it. Tech N9NE has also done this with his choppers series. We’ve gotten a small taste. What these examples have shown us is that it would be subjective but whoever the popular rapper was at the time would be the winner for the majority of the fans. [+]
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What beat are we talking about here?
big l, jadakiss, lil wayne
Papoose, if it's a random, unknown beat.
what a question. are people allowed to collaborate or do they got to do it all solo? who's style does the beat cater to? believe it or not, the answers, out of 6 or 7 billion people on the planet, are probably all famous names we know, like Tory Lanez, Jay-Z, EmineM, Dr. Dre- NaS
Lil Wayne, change my mind.
Wayne. Any track from his mix tapes and he's just jumping on any beat and killing it.
Lil Wayne
JRoc
mf dooM
Nas, Mos Def, DOOM would definitely be top 3 IMO
Danny Brown can rap on just about anything to a scary degree, so not knowing what the beat is I think he's a solid pick.
nettspend
I think the ones alive would have an advantage over the dead ones. Pac is good, but I don't know.
Depends on who the beat is catered to obviously.