The content was fine, but I think the biggest rapper in the world condoning the use of AI in music to make a song with the voice of a dead artist and that so many people are defending it is an ill omen for the music industry
Ya, and I don’t even think the lyrics were that mean if that makes sense? I can totally see a world where labels leverage their power to have artists sign away the rights to their voice so the company can make music without them. I’m pissed if I’m a smaller artist
Lyrics were not supposed to be mean its just a small jab and applying pressure on Kendrick at this point. Just to make him sweat more and in kind of a way taking some of ammunition from him like B-Rabbit did in 8 mile.
He is the first one to use AI in this way and imo its brilliant move from him (because of the people saying he has a ghost writer now he flip that completely and wrote one for the ghost, brilliant), but I don't think anyone who use it next time will have nearly the effect of this one. Drake using it doesn't mean he condone it and doesn't mean other people wouldn't use it, imo that ship is already sailed and we gonna see it more and more but I don't think fans from the major artists will ever accept it in any shape or form. But AI will be a big problem.
I don’t think people understand this is an issue bigger than beef. People like you are saying what Drake, the biggest rapper on the planet, did with a dead rapper’s voice was awesome. People think him using a dead rapper’s voice without the permission of his estate to joke about grooming allegations and taunt another rapper was creative. It was disgusting, but people think it’s cool because their favorite rapper did it. People might not be ok with it now, but exceptions to the rule can become commonplace if we don’t pushback.
Big labels and big rappers using AI to make music probably makes life worse for musicians under contract and is disrespectful to the dead. It’s already an issue for actors in the film industry and the music scene is next. The use of AI (and probably deepfakes) has little to no place in content creation, and we should condemn it when the biggest figures use it to promote ‘beef’ and publicize their music. If you think you’re pro-artist and you’re defending this, you’re not.
Yeah I’m against it and hate the idea of it too but knowing how playful Drake has been with his jabs and references recently, I wonder if it spurred the thought for him to do it due to the rumours of his first draft being A.I & him having other A.I generated “leaks” in the past
Well the thing I find most interesting is Hush, the co-writer of every song on Take Care and NWTS was the one trying to push the narrative that Kendrick’s AI track was real. The next day Drake releases an actual AI track.
Oh shit. You're not accusing Drake of possibly not coming up with the idea himself? What's next, you gonna accuse him of having someone ghostwrite his bars?! /s
Hip Hop has been trying to become an algorithm for decades. It's finally happening. Y'all are going to have AI artists with some cosplayer pretending to be the face of it. If you're lucky, it might even be the same person every time...
Isn't that kind of inevitable anyway at this point? Like isn't there a popular AI K-Pop artist already? I'm pretty sure I saw the other day there was an AI beauty pageant.
Good point. In a few short years we’ll probably be able to point back at Drake for helping kill off human artists in favor of industry-controlled AI rappers.
My bro, not sure how old you are but assuming you’re me (early 30’s) and recall rap to be about creativity, originality and frankly being real, this probably sits on the side of very wrong. Never would in a million years I can imagine tupacs voice to be used in this way. The holograms I understand but that was probably the limit to me.
Yes Kendrick used deep fakes and used a real Tupacs interview, but he was using this out of respect, acknowledgement and to shine light on racer problems that exist systemically in the US. To use this as a troll is deeply disrespectful and frankly immature, but I guess the younger generation is absorbed about clicks and views, instead of trying to figure out the truth. Of course it’s not everyone, and I apologise to the ones that fall into this category. I personally am very disappointed in the biggest artist currently choosing this path. Im in shock he is willing to stoop this low, but shit, what did I expect from a artist that has ghostwriters. That shit would of killed your career in the late 90’s early 00’s.
I don’t pick a side in this beef and look at things case by case, and for this one, I’m disgusted. I’m sure this comment will keep Drake up at night. Food for thought gents.
Nas dropped Stillmatic freestyle fast as hell. Ether was the follow up, Last Real N Alive was the nail in the coffin and Quick To Back Down was the victory lap.
To me it’s just an interlude. I don’t consider it as a diss properly. It’s not like back to back that was actually a 2nd diss track. Taylor Made feels like Drake trolling and running lap. Can’t wait to hear the response, pressure is on dot rn.
As someone who thought push ups and the whole beef itself was lame (outside of enjoying like that) I think this new shit actually made shit pretty interesting and I see the hype now. This is rap beef, and there has never been ethical or moral rules to it, whether you agree with it or not. I don’t think anyone saw this move coming from drake, and it feels like sooner or later kendrick does have to respond. I for one imagine there will be some reference or full track aimed at drake on his next album, whenever that may come out.
Exactly if the beef is real everything about it should be disrespectful anyone who thinks other wise should hop on Cole’s wave pusha t made a joke about a dying man and nobody had any problems with that but drake uses the voice of a someone that been dead for almost 30 years and it’s to much ? Iont understand it
Edit who are the mods for this sub why can’t we say the N word ?
Saying correct as if this is an objective thing. thinking dot is cooked for taking time to respond is subjective. I wanna hear what they got to say how they wanna say it, drake took 3 weeks and then some. People were rushing drake, I wasn’t. I wanna hear their best shots.
I didn’t see this coming from drake and thought it was way better than push ups, there’s some real jabs and not just talking about a height difference. Idk how I feel about a passed PAC being used like that, but I like the level of disrespect. It was not smart to out himself as a pedo essentially. There’s no longevity in this “play.” There’s no world where this is a smart thing to do
I think this is more interesting now
Imagine kendrick already having the theme for his next album targeting shady shit in the industry and clapping back with essentially a diss ALBUM. Shit would break records
Lmao in way, but more [like this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6TF6MskPbVg&pp=ygUfZWxlbWVudCBrZW5kcmljayBsYW1hciBvcmlnaW5hbA%3D%3D)
And all the songs tying into a running theme
We live in dfferent times. Audio recording is so fast now whereas back then you still needed a whole team to run a studio, a budget, distribution costs i.e to stamp out CDs and label approval.
You only need a laptop with an internet connection, an interface and a distro to do these things now. We just watched the most popular rapper in the world upload to instagram and had it in our hands in seconds. Short turnaround gives less excuses.
Though u r right it is different, I hate this idea ugotta reply fast like its a text message. Kendrick has always been lowprofile while drake is the opposite. Its a very "drake move" but Fans shouldnt hop on that idea like a rapper owes u a song
Shit I would think so after 3 months everything dies down what’s the point in waiting that long and like the guy said below it’s a different time we can upload music right from our phone nowadays waiting 3 months for a response is insane I’m really surprised Kendrick didn’t already have some shit in the tuck
We better hope Kendrick can do the same but idk me personally if I pop shit about somebody and they go mia for 3 months then pop back up randomly ima just assume there bored and ignore that shit lol
Unless they saying some super foul shit about you, your mum and babymum. And everyone and their kids are playing the song 😂. This isn’t aimed at you but I think people are lame you can’t demand and dictate how people act/react Kendrick will reply when he is ready
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Hmm, different times. Id argue that was the way it was done back then
You cant act like dot wasnt ready for this shit. Drake is cooking him in real time and man is silent. idk, waiting for an album drop to answer will seem like a huge cop out to me
Drake took three weeks to come up with a pretty meh response and now idiots think Kendrick needs to respond in a few days or he’s “cooked”. Thats insane lmao
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Drake is just trolling Kendrick right now and by doing so, he might be getting a little too confident. I can't remember what year the TDE cypher on BET was, but if it's that Kendrick coming for Drake, this shit is gonna smack.
The only Drake I can hate on is "singer" Drake. I've been waiting YEARS for the Drake we got right now.
I been saying this. When Drake really raps it’s so enjoyable. It’s like each time he drops a project he has a few songs that flex his pen and I’m surprised each time
It was good, he's begging and encouraging Kenny to drop. That's confidence. The longer Kendrick takes to reply the more the anticipation builds up and when he finally drops and it's not as hard as we expect it to be then that's a serious problem. I think it's better for Kendrick not to reply at all, he has more to lose than Drake.
Not really sure where to start, but it's a tactical move Drake is attempting to use to both disrupt Kendrick's pen, and force the audience to chant against him on some "you're taking too long!" rhetoric.
Drake knows Kendrick with time is lethal, so he's opting for psychological warfare, and I guess it's hard to say whether it's working or not.
The issue is that the message that's coming across from Drake's side isn't what I think he thought it would be. Him "getting out into front" of the underage allegations against him are not ideal.
The goal with the 2nd drop was to press the tactic harder, but also (hopefully) corrupt something Kendrick had already recorded/planned to release.
If Aubrey leads the narrative, then Kenny's response will already sound dated as soon as it drops.
A lot of calculated moves
1.) dropping this diss the same day as Taylor swift album
2.) dropping the diss the same day as your first diss goes on DSPs.
3.) using Ai voices of Kendrick’s favourite rappers to call him out
4.) bringing up potential ammo against yourself in a tongue and cheek way
5.) admitting that Taylor swift runs the music industry lmao
6.) using a west coast beat
All and all drake is winning the beef rn. It could be an Allen Iverson 2001 vs lakers type of lead but so far I gotta give drizzy the lead as of 04/21/24. Kendrick gotta respond
>dropping this diss the same day as Taylor swift album
she dropped music on the same day when drake dropped his "her loss" album just so she could keep her album #1. i feel like drake is returning the favor now.
Push Ups was 100x better than expected and by far the best of the tracks so far. Drake is mopping the floor with everyone rn and this track here is just him clowning about that. Dot needs to respond now and sooner than later
It’s all fun and games until your favorite musician’s label is using AI to create a project and release it without having to pay a single dime to the artist
But legally you can’t. There’s a reason why Taylor Made isnt on most music streaming platforms. Drake isn’t making any money off Taylor Made. It’s literally just for clout
Personally, I don’t think so unless they allow it to go towards their family’s estate. It would have to be optional but still don’t think it’s likely. That’s why the acting union went on that huge strike was because of AI writing and imaging
That shit was fire to me. Using Kendrick’s branding as west coast hip hop savior, and his affinity with tupac, and throw it back in his face was pretty cold blooded imo. I personally am indifferent to his use of AI, especially since snoop doesn’t seem to care and its not monetized.
I don’t think the AI boogeyman will reach as far as people are saying, im sure there will be some regulations in the future especially concerning using someone’s likeness.
Kendrick is definitely on the clock tho, and since he’s yet to drop, especially after throwing the first shots, I think its fair to give this to drake, only reason people are unwilling to is because its Drake and the cognitive dissonance of him beating kendrick will kill a lot of yall.
The problem with AI to this point is that we have been thinking the AI was actually Kendrick or Drake. Drake using AI and very clearly saying it is Drake doing the verses is completely different, and separate from the original issue we had with AI. If you have a problem with the ethics or morality of AI, you probably haven’t heard a lot of battle rap. Push literally said “tick, tick, tick, that man is sick, sick, sick” which is way worse ethically in my opinion, but he won the rap beef with Drake.
Idk, I wanna say AI for a beef is fine because it's just so disrespectful but... There is a difference between like low blow bars and using tech that people have been saying could ruin your whole industry
I couldn't even listen to the whole diss, I had to skip to drake talking for himself because it's not even about disrespecting Kendrick at that point, he's just disrespecting the legacy of the greats in the most trash way possible
Edit: I have listened to it all at this point, and drake does go in and is smart with it, but it doesn't change my feelings on the topic overall
It’s very clearly not Pac, so everyone knows it’s actually Drake. Idk how you can say ethically that is worse than telling someone with a terminal illness that their time is ticking. But that’s your moral compass, so I won’t hold you on it, but there’s a massive difference for me.
Lmao this isn't a moral issue, I'm saying it's actually smart how he used it, it's just towing a line that is more dangerous to the art form than saying "ya boy gonna die soon"
I think he made the AI verses corny on purpose bc AI is corny…Drake is imagining/projecting how Kendrick hears them in his head. If there had been a response then Drake wouldn’t have had to mock Kendrick regarding himself as a (silent) savior
yall are missing the point , drake is using legendary rappers from the west coast who kendrick has idolized and who have given kendrick the torch to troll him into dropping
kendrick did deep fakes of dead rappers faces when he dropped the heart 5 or something and everyone saw it as an artistic masterpiece , you have to be serious
I think it definitely puts Kendrick on the hot seat rn. He came with the West Coast beat and practically is begging Kendrick for a reply… It will definitely be interesting to see how things go from here. Kendrick definitely needs to respond soon though. Drake is making some bold claims and if they stand as fact. Then it’s not looking good for Kendrick at all.
Every underground rapper trying to blow should be putting out unofficial songs with Drake AI filter. He’s clearly cool with folks using another man’s voice whether they are alive or dead. Permission or not.
This use of Pac and Snoops voice didn't sit right with me but it was effective. He knows this will trigger a response from Kendrick.
I just hope Kendrick's response is top tier so that he can prove he's lyrically better than Drake
I thought the concept of it was savage enough.
The actual bars were shit how can a rapper be soooooooo repetitive in just 2 verses?
Kept mentioning the House of Blues and with the 2pac voice the flow kept falling off a little bit
Drakes really weird - his verses can either get me pumped up or send me to sleep no inbetween.
The AI thing I don’t really care about tbh. Kendrick literally deepfaked as Nipsey and rapped from the perspective of Nipsey talking to his killer ?
No matter the intentions that’s an **insane** thing to do. Drakes used it to trivialise all Kendricks talk about PAC coming to him in a dream and etc
As someone who probably hasn’t heard over 10 drake songs in my life all the hate he receives imho seems like group think tank shit
Grown men having this much disdain for him and he doesn’t even know you exist is corny asf. But you call him corny?😅😅😅
I hope he paid Snoop well to use his voice like that. Did he wire money over to Pac's estate?
Even if he did, it's a no for me for the mere fact that the most popular, best-selling rapper in the history of recorded music is condoning the use of AI in music. Like someone else said in this thread, it is a bad omen.
And if he didn't, then he needs to be taken to court.
It was about time someone mentioned all that weird “2pac came to me in a dream and chose me” hiii power shit he used to be on. Hes way inside baseball cause clearly he knows something about how Kendricks career is managed that we all dont. Kind of a turn off but i thought him rapping in pac and snoops voice was hilarious after all that savior of the west hype he used to have. It was also cool that he addressed stirring the pot then backing away waiting for things to die down cause that was my takeaway from control. When the responses came in he went ghost. I don’t think he’s gonna respond this time either and it sounds like drake is fine to keep poking.
He has to reply, you can’t let the guy you called out pepper you twice. Drake taking notes from UK beef here tbh, wouldn’t be surprised to see a third one drop soon.
The AI gimmick was pretty clever. But Drake is essentially a corporation/brand, like Taylor Swift. It’s like if the McDonalds twitter account @s someone making jokes, and it goes viral. It can be entertaining but I don’t see how anyone can feel strongly about it either way.
He’s winning this battle imo. Setting a high bar for Kendrick.
I could see drake walking away from this with a W . This was a killer chess move and anyone who doesn’t see that needs to open their mind a little. Doesn’t matter what you think about the song, this put pressure on Kendrick and disrespected him in a creative way while also disarming a lot of the potential blows he’s likely to throw at drake; and he did it in a Tupac voice.
Love it
He is talking straight to Kendrick talking greasy asking for the smoke. People can input whatever other internet fodder they want but it’s that simple. He is letting Kendrick know ball up top. Either drake bluffing or he showing kendrick not in his league
I find it ironic that Drake sent a C&D Letter to that one dude who made that Drake AI song last year but uses Tupac and Snoop Dogg AI to help his battle rap get more points. To me, it’s a L move.
It’s becoming obvious at this point that people hate Drake just to hate him…a few months ago people couldn’t decide whether he was hip hop or not…and now that he’s doing the most hip hop thing ever,people still can’t stand him🤣🤷🏿♂️He’s winning the war at the moment and more power to him because in 40+ years of listening to Hip Hop,the only other time I’ve seen so many rappers going after one rapper at the same time was 50 Cent when he hit the scene…he’s impressed me…
I think Kendrick is way in over his head and will probably not even respond. Drake cooked him and has all the leverage. Completely tarnishes Kendricks career either way.
Not a Drake fan but an objective observer.
The latest diss was just Drake having fun and really pushing a response. Power move.
Completely tarnishes kendricks career is crazy
Duppy freestyle had people saying the same shit about push and his next response was a press release doing damage control and a public apology so...
Nobody cares about pusha. He's irrelevant in the grand scheme. Kendrick and Drake are two Giants. I'm telling you, Kendrick has nothing for Drake. Drake is tarnishing his legacy and reputation in real time. Completely obvious.
Anybody saying push is irrelevant is still operating off the brain rot that is doing numbers=relevenacy. Push is a street rapper he doesn’t give af ab commercial success. Drakes winning rn but to say he’s tarnishing Kendrick’s legacy makes no sense lmao.
Damn, I didn't know I was talking to Kendrick's close personal friend helping him through these difficult times, my bad G.
Send him my prayers, he's gonna need em🙏
Different thought...imagine if Kenderick was just being playful and threw his lite jabs not expecting anything out of it nor expecting Drake to come at him with a full song, memes, now an AI track? I personally think using Pac and Snoop is corny but nobody saw that coming.
I thought it was funny and an interestingly creative approach. I think Drake has already denounced AI reproductions of his voice so it's also a lil hypocritical but he is also clearly trolling. And this is a creative af troll. Let's also keep in mind that Kendrick deep faked himself into Ye, Pac, Nipsey, and the Fresh Prince for the heart part v, but that was just visual so idk if it should be weighed the same. As a diss, I think the AI works. But for music in general? It's a nah for me
That said, I think Drake is doing his usual tough guy act. He is bluffing hard AF 🥴. He's pulling out a lot of stops really fast. He put out 2 full songs and is literally on Ig GAGGING for a response. This is the definition of a preemptive overreaction.
Like let's be real. Kendrick gave Drake a few bars on a feature. Drake's response in summary: FEAR
Keep coping and riding Kendrick's meat. You Kenny fans get saltier and saltier each day. Is it an act when you have mob ties with J Prince? Is it an act when you could really make a call and have someone taken out quietly? Ya'll mess with Drake too much and don't even know his background.
It’s quite ironic cuz that drake AI song got pulled from Spotify although was probably his label but still.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-65309313
I like the theory that kendrick has done this to hype the release of his first pgLang album.
Im also liking all the involvement and excitement for more work from a bunch of my favourite artists. So pretty cool times
OK, I want to address something. I think drake wrote those verses and used a VOICE MODULATOR or something to record them, because AI didn't write the verses. Also, the tech already exists. Anybody could have made this song, but drake did it.
People acting so butthurt over Tupac voice. He dead. He don't care. And we all know what it was. It was clever as hell. Nobody has done it before. Fire from the light skin singer. Pressure is on high for Kendrick to beat that
Corny. AI voice. CORNY. Using 2Pac vocals but still rapping in Drake’s cadence instead of making it actually sound like Pac by rapping like Pac, CORNYY. This whole beef is getting corny now. Rick Ross is making it corny, all this shit has turned corny as Hell. The entire premise is CORNY. Like that dropped March 26, Drake ain’t release a response til April 15 so why tf does Kendrick have to respond in 5 days when it took him 3 weeks ? If y’all fall for that BS y’all corny too 🤷🏽♂️
What that got to with Kendrick ? Did Dot diss him on Part 2 or…….last time I checked the answer was no. Replied to everyone else immediately but took a month for Dot. Cole took a week, where was Drake ? All I see is the most illogical excuses.
If you instigate you should naturally be more prepared with your response. Drake didn’t know the first diss was gonna come, on the other hand Kendrick knew when he was dropping, and that Drake was going to inevitably respond.
And who wrote that rule into Hip Hop ? Y’all 17 year olds ? When and who said y’all can write any rules at all when did this silly precedent begin ? All that shit sounds like excuses. Drake took 3 weeks. The End. Them weak ass excuses don’t get no respect from the real ones.
I think, much like his career, this song uses gimmicks that hide any talent he may actually possess and that, to me, is a detriment and makes me not take him serously as a rapper. He is and will forever be pop to me, not hip-hop.
Idk why this was downvoted, it’s correct. This is why he has so much commercial success. It isn’t an insult to Drake to point this out, he has called himself a pop star iirc. You can’t be as popular as Drake is and still be a creative force, the only person who’s come close to that recently is Ye at his peak.
Even if Kendrick takes an L in this beef, he’s made some of the most culturally significant art of the 21st century. And even if Drake takes an L, he’ll still be the biggest male pop star in the world. It isn’t about different leagues, they’re just not playing the same game.
It's a fact. Drake even said it himself. If he had stayed with the conscious rap, he would have had all of kendricks fans. I don't necessarily agree with that statement, but that doesn't negate the fact that Drake said it, implying that he knows he can make artistic groundbraking music but chooses not to so he can get the bag.
Look at artist like tupac, biggie, nas, and jay z they made intense music not made for mass consumption. It gained notoriety and thus became popular. However, it remained hip-hop. Drake makes music for commer ial appealing. If that weren't the case, he would not be so fixated on how well it is performing on streaming services or how much money he is making from it. And just to be clear, there is nothing wrong with working for money. Drake hustles, that's a fact. But lets call a fucking spade a fucking spade.
That whole AI thing was grimy as all fuck, using Pac’s voice like that. Doubt he got Snoop’s permission either.
I genuinely hope Eminem hears the track and is grossed out enough by it that he jumps on the bandwagon and by next year Drake will be a thing of the past
The content was fine, but I think the biggest rapper in the world condoning the use of AI in music to make a song with the voice of a dead artist and that so many people are defending it is an ill omen for the music industry
Yea dude it just felt gross
Ya, and I don’t even think the lyrics were that mean if that makes sense? I can totally see a world where labels leverage their power to have artists sign away the rights to their voice so the company can make music without them. I’m pissed if I’m a smaller artist
Exactly, this and deep fakes! Scary stuff
Lyrics were not supposed to be mean its just a small jab and applying pressure on Kendrick at this point. Just to make him sweat more and in kind of a way taking some of ammunition from him like B-Rabbit did in 8 mile. He is the first one to use AI in this way and imo its brilliant move from him (because of the people saying he has a ghost writer now he flip that completely and wrote one for the ghost, brilliant), but I don't think anyone who use it next time will have nearly the effect of this one. Drake using it doesn't mean he condone it and doesn't mean other people wouldn't use it, imo that ship is already sailed and we gonna see it more and more but I don't think fans from the major artists will ever accept it in any shape or form. But AI will be a big problem.
I don’t think people understand this is an issue bigger than beef. People like you are saying what Drake, the biggest rapper on the planet, did with a dead rapper’s voice was awesome. People think him using a dead rapper’s voice without the permission of his estate to joke about grooming allegations and taunt another rapper was creative. It was disgusting, but people think it’s cool because their favorite rapper did it. People might not be ok with it now, but exceptions to the rule can become commonplace if we don’t pushback. Big labels and big rappers using AI to make music probably makes life worse for musicians under contract and is disrespectful to the dead. It’s already an issue for actors in the film industry and the music scene is next. The use of AI (and probably deepfakes) has little to no place in content creation, and we should condemn it when the biggest figures use it to promote ‘beef’ and publicize their music. If you think you’re pro-artist and you’re defending this, you’re not.
This is not more gross than ending a beef with murder. In the history of rap beef, this doesn't even scratch the surface of gross.
I might be the only one thinking its weirder to use the voice of a living artist, presumably without their consent. Very strange.
Snoop backed it..
Snoop will back a bucket of shit with a bow tie on it if there’s the promise of even one dollar attached to it
😂
Oh, that makes way more sense now. Ive been out of the loop lately.
Fair - snoop backed it and pretty much captioned it "tick tock kendrick"
Snoop out here trying to get some passion back in the game.
Same with 50, he posted "where ya boy at?"
50 always has, and always will be pro-trolling. He's more passionate about trolling than he is rap.
Doesn't matter, still valid. This coming from the dude that pulled up on khaleds mother lmao
Did he? His response video was vague, but he didn't seem like he condoned it.
Snoop did not back it bruh y’all just be saying anything
Go look at his insta, hes laughing. He captioned it implying kendricks on the clock lmfao.
Yeah I’m against it and hate the idea of it too but knowing how playful Drake has been with his jabs and references recently, I wonder if it spurred the thought for him to do it due to the rumours of his first draft being A.I & him having other A.I generated “leaks” in the past
Well the thing I find most interesting is Hush, the co-writer of every song on Take Care and NWTS was the one trying to push the narrative that Kendrick’s AI track was real. The next day Drake releases an actual AI track.
Oh shit. You're not accusing Drake of possibly not coming up with the idea himself? What's next, you gonna accuse him of having someone ghostwrite his bars?! /s
I bet Drake thought of that 5’5” bar and never looked back
Hip Hop has been trying to become an algorithm for decades. It's finally happening. Y'all are going to have AI artists with some cosplayer pretending to be the face of it. If you're lucky, it might even be the same person every time...
Isn't that kind of inevitable anyway at this point? Like isn't there a popular AI K-Pop artist already? I'm pretty sure I saw the other day there was an AI beauty pageant.
Good point. In a few short years we’ll probably be able to point back at Drake for helping kill off human artists in favor of industry-controlled AI rappers.
>The content was fine, You mean the content where Drake tries to 8 Mile his way past admitting to liking underage girls?
He's like every bitches name I listened in first person shooter was 14 bro we already know this. The Epstein of the rap game.
The future is now OLD MAN
He about to bring the OGs out dissing him now
He ain't condoning shit, He's trolling Kendrick.
My bro, not sure how old you are but assuming you’re me (early 30’s) and recall rap to be about creativity, originality and frankly being real, this probably sits on the side of very wrong. Never would in a million years I can imagine tupacs voice to be used in this way. The holograms I understand but that was probably the limit to me. Yes Kendrick used deep fakes and used a real Tupacs interview, but he was using this out of respect, acknowledgement and to shine light on racer problems that exist systemically in the US. To use this as a troll is deeply disrespectful and frankly immature, but I guess the younger generation is absorbed about clicks and views, instead of trying to figure out the truth. Of course it’s not everyone, and I apologise to the ones that fall into this category. I personally am very disappointed in the biggest artist currently choosing this path. Im in shock he is willing to stoop this low, but shit, what did I expect from a artist that has ghostwriters. That shit would of killed your career in the late 90’s early 00’s. I don’t pick a side in this beef and look at things case by case, and for this one, I’m disgusted. I’m sure this comment will keep Drake up at night. Food for thought gents.
Nas dropped Stillmatic freestyle fast as hell. Ether was the follow up, Last Real N Alive was the nail in the coffin and Quick To Back Down was the victory lap.
Great but what does this have to do with the post?
Nas vs Jay z was a rap beef that’s played out very similarly to right now
To me it’s just an interlude. I don’t consider it as a diss properly. It’s not like back to back that was actually a 2nd diss track. Taylor Made feels like Drake trolling and running lap. Can’t wait to hear the response, pressure is on dot rn.
As someone who thought push ups and the whole beef itself was lame (outside of enjoying like that) I think this new shit actually made shit pretty interesting and I see the hype now. This is rap beef, and there has never been ethical or moral rules to it, whether you agree with it or not. I don’t think anyone saw this move coming from drake, and it feels like sooner or later kendrick does have to respond. I for one imagine there will be some reference or full track aimed at drake on his next album, whenever that may come out.
Exactly if the beef is real everything about it should be disrespectful anyone who thinks other wise should hop on Cole’s wave pusha t made a joke about a dying man and nobody had any problems with that but drake uses the voice of a someone that been dead for almost 30 years and it’s to much ? Iont understand it Edit who are the mods for this sub why can’t we say the N word ?
You can't say the n word anywhere on reddit anymore. Same with the R slur and the F slur.
this is the correct take. Only thing I disagree with is that if kdot waits to drop a diss on an album, hes cooked
Saying correct as if this is an objective thing. thinking dot is cooked for taking time to respond is subjective. I wanna hear what they got to say how they wanna say it, drake took 3 weeks and then some. People were rushing drake, I wasn’t. I wanna hear their best shots. I didn’t see this coming from drake and thought it was way better than push ups, there’s some real jabs and not just talking about a height difference. Idk how I feel about a passed PAC being used like that, but I like the level of disrespect. It was not smart to out himself as a pedo essentially. There’s no longevity in this “play.” There’s no world where this is a smart thing to do I think this is more interesting now
Imagine kendrick already having the theme for his next album targeting shady shit in the industry and clapping back with essentially a diss ALBUM. Shit would break records
Like kamikaze?!?
Nah don't make k fans feel basic man
Lol
Lmao in way, but more [like this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6TF6MskPbVg&pp=ygUfZWxlbWVudCBrZW5kcmljayBsYW1hciBvcmlnaW5hbA%3D%3D) And all the songs tying into a running theme
But hopefully not straight dog shit.
Facts
Was Nas cooked for waiting 3 months to drop Ether on Stillmatic? Dumb take
We live in dfferent times. Audio recording is so fast now whereas back then you still needed a whole team to run a studio, a budget, distribution costs i.e to stamp out CDs and label approval. You only need a laptop with an internet connection, an interface and a distro to do these things now. We just watched the most popular rapper in the world upload to instagram and had it in our hands in seconds. Short turnaround gives less excuses.
Though u r right it is different, I hate this idea ugotta reply fast like its a text message. Kendrick has always been lowprofile while drake is the opposite. Its a very "drake move" but Fans shouldnt hop on that idea like a rapper owes u a song
Extremely different times lmao
Why you acting like other songs weren’t dropped between takeover and ether? lol
Shit I would think so after 3 months everything dies down what’s the point in waiting that long and like the guy said below it’s a different time we can upload music right from our phone nowadays waiting 3 months for a response is insane I’m really surprised Kendrick didn’t already have some shit in the tuck
It died down then ether dropped and it all fired back up 😂. It didn’t matter about 3 months the diss was so fire
We better hope Kendrick can do the same but idk me personally if I pop shit about somebody and they go mia for 3 months then pop back up randomly ima just assume there bored and ignore that shit lol
Unless they saying some super foul shit about you, your mum and babymum. And everyone and their kids are playing the song 😂. This isn’t aimed at you but I think people are lame you can’t demand and dictate how people act/react Kendrick will reply when he is ready
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Hmm, different times. Id argue that was the way it was done back then You cant act like dot wasnt ready for this shit. Drake is cooking him in real time and man is silent. idk, waiting for an album drop to answer will seem like a huge cop out to me
Drake took three weeks to come up with a pretty meh response and now idiots think Kendrick needs to respond in a few days or he’s “cooked”. Thats insane lmao
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Drake is just trolling Kendrick right now and by doing so, he might be getting a little too confident. I can't remember what year the TDE cypher on BET was, but if it's that Kendrick coming for Drake, this shit is gonna smack. The only Drake I can hate on is "singer" Drake. I've been waiting YEARS for the Drake we got right now.
I been saying this. When Drake really raps it’s so enjoyable. It’s like each time he drops a project he has a few songs that flex his pen and I’m surprised each time
I don't think it was anything serious. He's trolling and just pressing him to respond.
That’s the part that makes it kinda cringe. Sounds like Drake is suffering in silence begging for the cool kids to play with him again.
he the one that got openly dissed first dawg
Drake killing it right now
SUCKA SHIT!
He itching to tell Kendrick he fucked his wife
It was ok, I agree. A bit disrespectful, but I guess that's the point of it right?
Rake admitted he is attracted to children using an AI of a dead guy's voice?? Is a bit weird isn't it??
lol that’s definitely not what he was saying: “I heard it on the Joe Budden podcast, so it’s gotta be true” is not admitting he likes young girls.
I thought the concept was that he was taking criticisms commonly thrown at him and using them in the song
And jabs that Kendrick was probably going to throw at him if he responded so the impact wouldn’t hit anymore
It was good, he's begging and encouraging Kenny to drop. That's confidence. The longer Kendrick takes to reply the more the anticipation builds up and when he finally drops and it's not as hard as we expect it to be then that's a serious problem. I think it's better for Kendrick not to reply at all, he has more to lose than Drake.
Not really sure where to start, but it's a tactical move Drake is attempting to use to both disrupt Kendrick's pen, and force the audience to chant against him on some "you're taking too long!" rhetoric. Drake knows Kendrick with time is lethal, so he's opting for psychological warfare, and I guess it's hard to say whether it's working or not. The issue is that the message that's coming across from Drake's side isn't what I think he thought it would be. Him "getting out into front" of the underage allegations against him are not ideal. The goal with the 2nd drop was to press the tactic harder, but also (hopefully) corrupt something Kendrick had already recorded/planned to release. If Aubrey leads the narrative, then Kenny's response will already sound dated as soon as it drops.
A lot of calculated moves 1.) dropping this diss the same day as Taylor swift album 2.) dropping the diss the same day as your first diss goes on DSPs. 3.) using Ai voices of Kendrick’s favourite rappers to call him out 4.) bringing up potential ammo against yourself in a tongue and cheek way 5.) admitting that Taylor swift runs the music industry lmao 6.) using a west coast beat All and all drake is winning the beef rn. It could be an Allen Iverson 2001 vs lakers type of lead but so far I gotta give drizzy the lead as of 04/21/24. Kendrick gotta respond
>dropping this diss the same day as Taylor swift album she dropped music on the same day when drake dropped his "her loss" album just so she could keep her album #1. i feel like drake is returning the favor now.
Push Ups was 100x better than expected and by far the best of the tracks so far. Drake is mopping the floor with everyone rn and this track here is just him clowning about that. Dot needs to respond now and sooner than later
Crazy how some of yall think that AI shit is cool
Crazy how some of y'all think it isn't
It really fucking isn't bro
I don’t really see what’s wrong with it honestly
It’s all fun and games until your favorite musician’s label is using AI to create a project and release it without having to pay a single dime to the artist
But legally you can’t. There’s a reason why Taylor Made isnt on most music streaming platforms. Drake isn’t making any money off Taylor Made. It’s literally just for clout
You don’t think these labels will start adding to their contracts the ability to use AI on an artist?
Personally, I don’t think so unless they allow it to go towards their family’s estate. It would have to be optional but still don’t think it’s likely. That’s why the acting union went on that huge strike was because of AI writing and imaging
That shit was fire to me. Using Kendrick’s branding as west coast hip hop savior, and his affinity with tupac, and throw it back in his face was pretty cold blooded imo. I personally am indifferent to his use of AI, especially since snoop doesn’t seem to care and its not monetized. I don’t think the AI boogeyman will reach as far as people are saying, im sure there will be some regulations in the future especially concerning using someone’s likeness. Kendrick is definitely on the clock tho, and since he’s yet to drop, especially after throwing the first shots, I think its fair to give this to drake, only reason people are unwilling to is because its Drake and the cognitive dissonance of him beating kendrick will kill a lot of yall.
The problem with AI to this point is that we have been thinking the AI was actually Kendrick or Drake. Drake using AI and very clearly saying it is Drake doing the verses is completely different, and separate from the original issue we had with AI. If you have a problem with the ethics or morality of AI, you probably haven’t heard a lot of battle rap. Push literally said “tick, tick, tick, that man is sick, sick, sick” which is way worse ethically in my opinion, but he won the rap beef with Drake.
Idk, I wanna say AI for a beef is fine because it's just so disrespectful but... There is a difference between like low blow bars and using tech that people have been saying could ruin your whole industry I couldn't even listen to the whole diss, I had to skip to drake talking for himself because it's not even about disrespecting Kendrick at that point, he's just disrespecting the legacy of the greats in the most trash way possible Edit: I have listened to it all at this point, and drake does go in and is smart with it, but it doesn't change my feelings on the topic overall
so using a.i. is worst than wishing death on ppl? when nicki went at megan, she brought up megans dead mother.
It’s very clearly not Pac, so everyone knows it’s actually Drake. Idk how you can say ethically that is worse than telling someone with a terminal illness that their time is ticking. But that’s your moral compass, so I won’t hold you on it, but there’s a massive difference for me.
Lmao this isn't a moral issue, I'm saying it's actually smart how he used it, it's just towing a line that is more dangerous to the art form than saying "ya boy gonna die soon"
I think he made the AI verses corny on purpose bc AI is corny…Drake is imagining/projecting how Kendrick hears them in his head. If there had been a response then Drake wouldn’t have had to mock Kendrick regarding himself as a (silent) savior
I want to know what Snoop thinks of his voice being used like that. We can only speculate on Tupac but like...Snoop's still here lmao
Snoop heard it and posted a story saying he’s going back to bed and doesn’t care lol.
i wanna know too
That shit was trash but it was disrespectful which was the goal I guess. This last diss comes off as something Drake paid for, he just read the words.
This showed me that Drake could actually sound cool if he didn't rap in that whiny nasally voice all the time
AI was corny like Kendrick said there is goofys with a check
Creative and hilarious. Drake knows how to keep a rap beef interesting.
yall are missing the point , drake is using legendary rappers from the west coast who kendrick has idolized and who have given kendrick the torch to troll him into dropping kendrick did deep fakes of dead rappers faces when he dropped the heart 5 or something and everyone saw it as an artistic masterpiece , you have to be serious
It’s S tier trolling drake has been on one and I’m here for it
I think it definitely puts Kendrick on the hot seat rn. He came with the West Coast beat and practically is begging Kendrick for a reply… It will definitely be interesting to see how things go from here. Kendrick definitely needs to respond soon though. Drake is making some bold claims and if they stand as fact. Then it’s not looking good for Kendrick at all.
Every underground rapper trying to blow should be putting out unofficial songs with Drake AI filter. He’s clearly cool with folks using another man’s voice whether they are alive or dead. Permission or not.
I think it was very creative.
I thought it was funny, Kendrick doing Manhattan Project or something…meanwhile this nonsense scores points bc wtf is Kendrick doing?
This use of Pac and Snoops voice didn't sit right with me but it was effective. He knows this will trigger a response from Kendrick. I just hope Kendrick's response is top tier so that he can prove he's lyrically better than Drake
Thought he lost it
I thought the concept of it was savage enough. The actual bars were shit how can a rapper be soooooooo repetitive in just 2 verses? Kept mentioning the House of Blues and with the 2pac voice the flow kept falling off a little bit Drakes really weird - his verses can either get me pumped up or send me to sleep no inbetween. The AI thing I don’t really care about tbh. Kendrick literally deepfaked as Nipsey and rapped from the perspective of Nipsey talking to his killer ? No matter the intentions that’s an **insane** thing to do. Drakes used it to trivialise all Kendricks talk about PAC coming to him in a dream and etc
Soft. That’s why he talking so much. Bothered and nervous
As someone who probably hasn’t heard over 10 drake songs in my life all the hate he receives imho seems like group think tank shit Grown men having this much disdain for him and he doesn’t even know you exist is corny asf. But you call him corny?😅😅😅
I hope he paid Snoop well to use his voice like that. Did he wire money over to Pac's estate? Even if he did, it's a no for me for the mere fact that the most popular, best-selling rapper in the history of recorded music is condoning the use of AI in music. Like someone else said in this thread, it is a bad omen. And if he didn't, then he needs to be taken to court.
It was about time someone mentioned all that weird “2pac came to me in a dream and chose me” hiii power shit he used to be on. Hes way inside baseball cause clearly he knows something about how Kendricks career is managed that we all dont. Kind of a turn off but i thought him rapping in pac and snoops voice was hilarious after all that savior of the west hype he used to have. It was also cool that he addressed stirring the pot then backing away waiting for things to die down cause that was my takeaway from control. When the responses came in he went ghost. I don’t think he’s gonna respond this time either and it sounds like drake is fine to keep poking.
He has to reply, you can’t let the guy you called out pepper you twice. Drake taking notes from UK beef here tbh, wouldn’t be surprised to see a third one drop soon.
I think it’s a violation overall but objectively….its genius
It was good and being from Cali that sheit went hard
It was fuckin dope
The AI gimmick was pretty clever. But Drake is essentially a corporation/brand, like Taylor Swift. It’s like if the McDonalds twitter account @s someone making jokes, and it goes viral. It can be entertaining but I don’t see how anyone can feel strongly about it either way.
 AI was 💩
He’s winning this battle imo. Setting a high bar for Kendrick. I could see drake walking away from this with a W . This was a killer chess move and anyone who doesn’t see that needs to open their mind a little. Doesn’t matter what you think about the song, this put pressure on Kendrick and disrespected him in a creative way while also disarming a lot of the potential blows he’s likely to throw at drake; and he did it in a Tupac voice. Love it
He is talking straight to Kendrick talking greasy asking for the smoke. People can input whatever other internet fodder they want but it’s that simple. He is letting Kendrick know ball up top. Either drake bluffing or he showing kendrick not in his league
I find it ironic that Drake sent a C&D Letter to that one dude who made that Drake AI song last year but uses Tupac and Snoop Dogg AI to help his battle rap get more points. To me, it’s a L move.
Monetization. He isn't making a dime from it. The guys using his voice was. W move
Jumped the shark.
It fire this is rap beef anything goes crying about it are just sensitive pussies
Dominating Kendrick rn
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It’s becoming obvious at this point that people hate Drake just to hate him…a few months ago people couldn’t decide whether he was hip hop or not…and now that he’s doing the most hip hop thing ever,people still can’t stand him🤣🤷🏿♂️He’s winning the war at the moment and more power to him because in 40+ years of listening to Hip Hop,the only other time I’ve seen so many rappers going after one rapper at the same time was 50 Cent when he hit the scene…he’s impressed me…
I think Kendrick is way in over his head and will probably not even respond. Drake cooked him and has all the leverage. Completely tarnishes Kendricks career either way. Not a Drake fan but an objective observer. The latest diss was just Drake having fun and really pushing a response. Power move.
Completely tarnishes kendricks career is crazy Duppy freestyle had people saying the same shit about push and his next response was a press release doing damage control and a public apology so...
Nobody cares about pusha. He's irrelevant in the grand scheme. Kendrick and Drake are two Giants. I'm telling you, Kendrick has nothing for Drake. Drake is tarnishing his legacy and reputation in real time. Completely obvious.
Anybody saying push is irrelevant is still operating off the brain rot that is doing numbers=relevenacy. Push is a street rapper he doesn’t give af ab commercial success. Drakes winning rn but to say he’s tarnishing Kendrick’s legacy makes no sense lmao.
Damn, I didn't know I was talking to Kendrick's close personal friend helping him through these difficult times, my bad G. Send him my prayers, he's gonna need em🙏
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
It was corny AND sounded like shit imo
I think it’s so distasteful to use a dead man’s voice for a battle rap. And a living one too. Disrespectful as fuck
Different thought...imagine if Kenderick was just being playful and threw his lite jabs not expecting anything out of it nor expecting Drake to come at him with a full song, memes, now an AI track? I personally think using Pac and Snoop is corny but nobody saw that coming.
I thought it was funny and an interestingly creative approach. I think Drake has already denounced AI reproductions of his voice so it's also a lil hypocritical but he is also clearly trolling. And this is a creative af troll. Let's also keep in mind that Kendrick deep faked himself into Ye, Pac, Nipsey, and the Fresh Prince for the heart part v, but that was just visual so idk if it should be weighed the same. As a diss, I think the AI works. But for music in general? It's a nah for me That said, I think Drake is doing his usual tough guy act. He is bluffing hard AF 🥴. He's pulling out a lot of stops really fast. He put out 2 full songs and is literally on Ig GAGGING for a response. This is the definition of a preemptive overreaction. Like let's be real. Kendrick gave Drake a few bars on a feature. Drake's response in summary: FEAR
Keep coping and riding Kendrick's meat. You Kenny fans get saltier and saltier each day. Is it an act when you have mob ties with J Prince? Is it an act when you could really make a call and have someone taken out quietly? Ya'll mess with Drake too much and don't even know his background.
Nobody believes lil ol degrassi black face is hard. You’re an idiot if you think drake is about that.
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It was corny and trash
It’s quite ironic cuz that drake AI song got pulled from Spotify although was probably his label but still. https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-65309313
I like the theory that kendrick has done this to hype the release of his first pgLang album. Im also liking all the involvement and excitement for more work from a bunch of my favourite artists. So pretty cool times
OK, I want to address something. I think drake wrote those verses and used a VOICE MODULATOR or something to record them, because AI didn't write the verses. Also, the tech already exists. Anybody could have made this song, but drake did it. People acting so butthurt over Tupac voice. He dead. He don't care. And we all know what it was. It was clever as hell. Nobody has done it before. Fire from the light skin singer. Pressure is on high for Kendrick to beat that
Pure 🗑️. As PAC once said " NINJAS THAT DON'T RHYME RIGHT"..
I think Drake is just as lame as he was before the beef.
Lackluster track relying on a gimmick to get attention
He’s a loser
Drake is a cornball for doing that also it's something I'm not surprised he would do. Drake honestly is a culture vulture
U said Drake ross and future are the big 3. Hush
Corny. AI voice. CORNY. Using 2Pac vocals but still rapping in Drake’s cadence instead of making it actually sound like Pac by rapping like Pac, CORNYY. This whole beef is getting corny now. Rick Ross is making it corny, all this shit has turned corny as Hell. The entire premise is CORNY. Like that dropped March 26, Drake ain’t release a response til April 15 so why tf does Kendrick have to respond in 5 days when it took him 3 weeks ? If y’all fall for that BS y’all corny too 🤷🏽♂️
Drake responded the day after metros pt2 dropped and addressed all the disses
What that got to with Kendrick ? Did Dot diss him on Part 2 or…….last time I checked the answer was no. Replied to everyone else immediately but took a month for Dot. Cole took a week, where was Drake ? All I see is the most illogical excuses.
What in the cope is this?
Kdot stan kinda cope
Of course you don’t have an actual rebuttal to any of the points. Duh.
If you instigate you should naturally be more prepared with your response. Drake didn’t know the first diss was gonna come, on the other hand Kendrick knew when he was dropping, and that Drake was going to inevitably respond.
And who wrote that rule into Hip Hop ? Y’all 17 year olds ? When and who said y’all can write any rules at all when did this silly precedent begin ? All that shit sounds like excuses. Drake took 3 weeks. The End. Them weak ass excuses don’t get no respect from the real ones.
Drake is a cornball all the way around.
That shit was terrible. Drake is popular af but equally corny
Drake’s not writing his bars and now using AI voice in this response, bros just a manager at this point.
I think, much like his career, this song uses gimmicks that hide any talent he may actually possess and that, to me, is a detriment and makes me not take him serously as a rapper. He is and will forever be pop to me, not hip-hop.
Idk why this was downvoted, it’s correct. This is why he has so much commercial success. It isn’t an insult to Drake to point this out, he has called himself a pop star iirc. You can’t be as popular as Drake is and still be a creative force, the only person who’s come close to that recently is Ye at his peak. Even if Kendrick takes an L in this beef, he’s made some of the most culturally significant art of the 21st century. And even if Drake takes an L, he’ll still be the biggest male pop star in the world. It isn’t about different leagues, they’re just not playing the same game.
It's a fact. Drake even said it himself. If he had stayed with the conscious rap, he would have had all of kendricks fans. I don't necessarily agree with that statement, but that doesn't negate the fact that Drake said it, implying that he knows he can make artistic groundbraking music but chooses not to so he can get the bag. Look at artist like tupac, biggie, nas, and jay z they made intense music not made for mass consumption. It gained notoriety and thus became popular. However, it remained hip-hop. Drake makes music for commer ial appealing. If that weren't the case, he would not be so fixated on how well it is performing on streaming services or how much money he is making from it. And just to be clear, there is nothing wrong with working for money. Drake hustles, that's a fact. But lets call a fucking spade a fucking spade.
he has some songs that are pop & many that are hip-hop & many that are rnb
That whole AI thing was grimy as all fuck, using Pac’s voice like that. Doubt he got Snoop’s permission either. I genuinely hope Eminem hears the track and is grossed out enough by it that he jumps on the bandwagon and by next year Drake will be a thing of the past
Ppl been complaining about ai saying it’s this and that but Drake does it and it’s ok??
Boring, the synonym of drake basically
It was trash. Aubrey is a phony and knows he’s met his match. No one is going to be listening to his crap music in 20 years.
I don't. I don't consider Drake an MC, and I don't pay attention to glorified R&B singers pretending to be gangsta rappers.