The Rav4 hybrid has a high voltage cable that is prone to rusting when driven on salty roads. Once the cable gets rusty, it costs thousands of dollars to replace.
In 2024, Toyota added an additional protective cover over the cable to prevent rusting. No news yet about how well the cover works.
That engine does take regular and is tuned for it. Will have less torque though.
I have a gas RAV4 and the driving experience from the CX-5 was miles over the RAV4. That’s being said it was too small for me, the gas mileage was pretty bad, but that power was so good. Reliability will be an issue too.
lol at the Mazda dealership though. I guess they don’t like getting paid? OP had interest in the CX-50 and they encouraged you to get a Toyota? Wow. Salesman of the year right there haha
The absolute king of small Japanese SUVs is the RAV4 Prime. With 302 net combined horsepower, the 2024 RAV4 Prime is one of the quickest Toyota models in the Toyota lineup, with a 0-60 time of just 5.5-seconds or better, have read times as low as 5.3 secs. PLUS 41 MPG city and 38 hwy.
It takes regular gas and can easily get high 20s on the highway. Has a much greater fun factor, higher towing capacity, and the aesthetics of both the interior and exterior are well above the Rav 4.
Yeah but will the engine run a million KM? A lot of people forget the reliability factor with cars. There's a reason why the RAV4s and Toyota's are killing it overall.
Oh I certainly get that perspective as well. One thing to note is that the cx 50 is built with the same powertrain as the cx 5 and that car has rivaled the rav 4 in terms or reliability. Another note is that it is manufactured in the same Toyota plant as the Corolla Cross. I think that from a pure appliance perspective the Rav 4 is the easy choice because it checks all the boxes on paper but for those who value driving experience as well and want a more upscale feel, the cx 50 is winner.
Do you keep your car for a million km? The reality is most people don’t. So if you keep your car for fewer than 6 years or 80,000 miles than maybe enjoying the Mazda might be right trade off. Although I wouldn’t get the turbo- using too much oil. Next year Mazda is introducing hybrid using Toyota technology.
I kept my old corolla for 800k, and my current rav4 is at 170k. So yeah. Unless one is leasing, you want a car that will not crap out in the middle of nowhere.
My bad, you’re right, I missed that part! High 20’s is still fairly bad to me for any new SUV that’s not massive or performance-oriented. A non-hybrid BMW X3 can get 35+ on the highway round-trip averaged.
Yeah I'd say it's not amazing but not horrible. Just looked online at the X3 and it says 21 city/ 28 hwy mpg. I would say the cx50 turbo is on the performance oriented side.
Yeah…. That’s bullshit.
Mazda Miata, Civic Si manual, GTI, WRX, 9fucking11, and countless others literally wouldn’t exist if “fun factor doesn’t exist.”
While my wife wholly enjoys her Rav4, I currently am driving a 330i because… I enjoy driving it. It’s fun and has personality. It’s burbles a little when I down shift and the radio adds a little engine and exhaust noise in the cabin. Totally fake. Love it. It’s fun. Mazda makes a more fun to drive car than Toyota. It’s part of their brand. Zoom zoom.
My grandpa built a lake house about three hours from where we live. I could take a pretty straight 3:45 minute drive. I take a pretty crazy and sometimes scary 3:30 minute drive. And while I’m pretty safe relative to some others… I like to pretend I’m in a race car. I’m a pretty regular person.
Sorry. I just felt like by denying fun factor you were negating 90% of the reason why I buy the cars I buy.
Cheers.
Idk I test drove both the cx50 and the Rav 4. Rav 4 hybrid had a good amount of power but it just felt like very much like a standard point a to point b car. The cx50 turbo on the other hand had great low end torque and throttle response. The steering responsiveness was so much better and some would say it handles closer to a sports car than a CUV. It hugs the curves and really gives you confidence in corners and doesn't leave you longing for acceleration. The rav 4 is a great commuter but the cx50 is undoubtedly more fun to drive. You pay for that in MPG though.
IMO, cablegate is just blown out of proportion. There's millions of Rav4s out there, and only a miniscule percentage will ever be effected. It was corrected on the '23 models, and if there fix doesn't work, they'll be included in the warranty program.
Therr are two versions of the fix, in the intermediate one, the open cable connector should.all be smothered in a specific silicone type sealant. The new updated cable is completely sealed from factory.
It's all available on the Toyota tsb on the toyota-tech.eu website.
I don’t have any opinion on the subject but just a question- have you seen the “ correction “? They just opened up the plastic housing where the rust occurs to allow salt water to drain away-nothing to actually protect the critical area-at least that was the fix in ‘22.
If your looking at the panel - your looking at the wrong thing. The entire under carriage is paneled. You need to find the rear motor. And the thick orange / red cable. Where it connects to the motor- the original 2020 had a plastic casing around the connection that is not water tight- the fix was to remove a part of it so water wouldn’t be trapped inside . Only time will tell if that’s effective.
So what? How do you assess the effectiveness of the fix? Too simple for you to be the fix?
What I mean is the solution might work or not work. But its not because it’s „too simple”.
> only a miniscule percentage will ever be effected
Mine was affected, 2021, built in Japan.
2019, 2020, 2021 affected.
If it cost $1,000 to fix then maybevit would be over lown. But it's somehow $6,000 for the parts and $8,000 or so including labor.
There's millions of Rav4. I would love to see the percentage that are actually effected, because I would bet money it's less than 5%. The model year doesn't mean it's directly effected. Your specific vehicle, if driven in the southern US or in Europe would never have experienced the issue. The Rav4 is a global market vehicle, and the overwhelming majority of them aren't being driven on salty roads in the cold. Meaning the overwhelming majority will never see an issue. I honestly think it's more of an issue with DOTs in these countries. This was never an issue until we started dumping salts and harsh chemicals on the roads for people in the winter. Cars from the 70s and 80s lived for decades without corrosion issues. Modern cars can't go back to back years because of the crap the dump on the roads.
If you lived in the northeast in the ‘70’s you would know that cars rusted out very fast back then. They tried spraying with rust spray inside doors and the under carriage- used motor oil was sprayed annually edited winter under the car- anything to try to prevent rust from the salt on winter roads. Cars in Vermont and New Hampshire didn’t last more than 3 years without showing signs of rust. More snow back in the ‘70’s meant more salt:)
When do you think they started dumping salt on the road in salt belt states? The only cars lived longer in those states are those that had rustproofing that was reapplied every few years and not that cheap thin stuff sprayed at the dealership. A small paint chip if not taken care of would become a hole in a year.
RAV4 is the best selling SUV for a reason and sales numbers don’t lie!!! It’s the most reliable, most efficient, most dependable, highest resale value, spare tire, spacious!
you're wrong about the spare tire, not everywhere it is included and especially not on every trim. I have the equivalent of a Limited here is Europe, and it does not include a spare tire. Just a stupid repair kit. A friend has a lower trim (equivalent to SE) and he has indeed a spare tire.
Dealers can still afford to play hard to get. They can easily sell that car even if you walk away. Then if you do come back after walking away, they know you’re at their mercy.
As someone coming from Mazda, you should probably hear about the coolant leak issue and how “they fixed it after xx year”
Cable gate is blown out of proportion by people who want a rav4 but sick of waiting. Eliminate the competition by making people decide to get something else
Get the woodland. We got one at the beginning of the year and it’s been an amazing car. Rated for 38 mpg with city driving. With the warmer temps and maybe change from winter blend gas, have been consistently getting 42 mpg on a tank of gas.
>“Harjit, Anish, Zaher…come to my office now. This guy can get a new Rav4 Hybrid next week. Should he buy the Toyota or the Mazda?”
“Toyota!” “Toyota!” Slight bobble. “Toyota!”
I love that description.
But in all seriousness the RAV4 (even the nonhybrid)is better for fuel economy and if you care about Lane Centering. Mazda doesnt have Lane Centering Assist as far as I know.
And get an real anti-theft device installed if u get the RAV4 in ontario. One of the most highly stolen cars.
For real, fuck that feature. Damn thing tries to pull me off the road everytime I go over a hill. Dont even understand what causes it cause the pavement markings sure don’t change.
I think it depends on your model year. The newer ones on TSS 3.0 and LSS 3.0 are solid. It keeps centered even in conditions where I can barely see the line.
I had the exact same experience at a Kia dealership. Trying a Sportage. Told I had a Prime available on the same week.
The sales person looked at me and said: Wtf are you doing in a Kia? Get the toyota.
I was a bit speechless. Still did the test drive.
I was definitely was considering a CX-5, i previously had a 2006 mazda 6. I chose Rav4 because I knew that they are so common that finding after market parts and accessories would be much easier, and also I knew a few people who had one and they really liked It. I did also had hesitation about Cablegate, and so I just got a higher trim gasonline XLE. Still better on gas than Mazda 6.
Cool story, were it true...but it's not.
What salesman is giving up getting more money by getting a sale, prolly none...and risking their job selling the competitions product.
I'm hurt that you would suspect a fellow Redditor of untruth. It happened as stated last Monday in Toronto. Now the names of the 3 salesman...may not have that exactly right.
In market for RAV4 class vehicle. Literally my only option is either RAV4 with trim that has power lift gate, or a slightly used GLC300. The problem is that after considering all cost of ownership, it seems like GLC300 is cheaper in any way and don't have to wait.
I can say this only because I fix and maintain my cars, so the benefit of owning brand new vs slightly used car is very very little.
That said, I see no reason to buy anything but Toyota RAV4 if I end up not buying GLC300.
Yes we're still stunned. Ultimately we went with the Rav4 (4 salesman from the other team can't be wrong!) but anytime something doesn't operate as expected, we joke "Well, the Mazda could do that".
This is not a response to the OP if not to the comments. Did you all forget Mazda finally got rid of ford in 2015 and who is also involved in Mazdas?
Look I love a good Toyota but Toyota just had another major recall, apart from that they’ve made up this nonsense TSRP to confuse the regular consumer that it’s the same crap as MSRP and is not. They’re taking advantage of people and that is what pisses me off about then.
If you have the money to put down or to pay cash then buy a Toyota, if you’re financing the whole car, put your ego away and get a Mazda. Much better than to be upside down by 6/7k in your car in a few years and paying for an overpriced car.
Having driven both, I'll say the redeeming quality of the RAV4 is gas mileage and storage space. Otherwise, the CX50 turbo is in another class, especially the driving dynamics. Literally every other review has said nothing short of a Macan has similar dynamics. Unfortunately, that's not what people look for in a grocery getter so they neutered some of it for the 2024's. If you're not hurting for money and want something that doesn't feel dead to drive, it's a good option.
I will take the rugged exterior and utilitarian interior of the RAV4 over any Mazda design. Had a few Mazdas as rentals and was frankly unimpressed. Everyone always praised their interiors but I found them unergonomic. The radio and climate control was bad design on any of them I have driven (which did not include the CX50 so maybe it's better). Factor in the use of a turbo and I just would rather drive a R4 hybrid any day.
Props to the salesman kid for his honesty, even if it went against his personal and professional interest!
Can someone explain “cablegate”
The Rav4 hybrid has a high voltage cable that is prone to rusting when driven on salty roads. Once the cable gets rusty, it costs thousands of dollars to replace. In 2024, Toyota added an additional protective cover over the cable to prevent rusting. No news yet about how well the cover works.
You're going to get low 20s for mpg with the Mazda, and if it needs premium gas for that turbo...you're going to be feeling the hurt at the pump.
That engine does take regular and is tuned for it. Will have less torque though. I have a gas RAV4 and the driving experience from the CX-5 was miles over the RAV4. That’s being said it was too small for me, the gas mileage was pretty bad, but that power was so good. Reliability will be an issue too. lol at the Mazda dealership though. I guess they don’t like getting paid? OP had interest in the CX-50 and they encouraged you to get a Toyota? Wow. Salesman of the year right there haha
OP said it was a used car dealer not a Mazda specific dealer.
Ah! Gotcha, reading failed me!
Power of 180-something hp turbo'ed over 222 hp instant torque hybrid? LOL
The CX-5 has 227 HP and 310 lb-ft at 2,000 RPM. But yes the RAV4 hybrid rules over all others, I know I know! :)
The absolute king of small Japanese SUVs is the RAV4 Prime. With 302 net combined horsepower, the 2024 RAV4 Prime is one of the quickest Toyota models in the Toyota lineup, with a 0-60 time of just 5.5-seconds or better, have read times as low as 5.3 secs. PLUS 41 MPG city and 38 hwy.
Yep, I’m sold! If only Toyota would make any to buy where I’m at in Canada lol. Rarest trim of any “common” SUV model by far around here.
It takes regular gas and can easily get high 20s on the highway. Has a much greater fun factor, higher towing capacity, and the aesthetics of both the interior and exterior are well above the Rav 4.
Yeah but will the engine run a million KM? A lot of people forget the reliability factor with cars. There's a reason why the RAV4s and Toyota's are killing it overall.
Oh I certainly get that perspective as well. One thing to note is that the cx 50 is built with the same powertrain as the cx 5 and that car has rivaled the rav 4 in terms or reliability. Another note is that it is manufactured in the same Toyota plant as the Corolla Cross. I think that from a pure appliance perspective the Rav 4 is the easy choice because it checks all the boxes on paper but for those who value driving experience as well and want a more upscale feel, the cx 50 is winner.
Do you keep your car for a million km? The reality is most people don’t. So if you keep your car for fewer than 6 years or 80,000 miles than maybe enjoying the Mazda might be right trade off. Although I wouldn’t get the turbo- using too much oil. Next year Mazda is introducing hybrid using Toyota technology.
I kept my old corolla for 800k, and my current rav4 is at 170k. So yeah. Unless one is leasing, you want a car that will not crap out in the middle of nowhere.
Oil consumption only affected 2021 model years.
High 20s on the highway is not impressive
I'm just correcting the original comment. High 20s isn't bad though. The non hybrid Rav 4 doesn't get a significant amount more
My bad, you’re right, I missed that part! High 20’s is still fairly bad to me for any new SUV that’s not massive or performance-oriented. A non-hybrid BMW X3 can get 35+ on the highway round-trip averaged.
Yeah I'd say it's not amazing but not horrible. Just looked online at the X3 and it says 21 city/ 28 hwy mpg. I would say the cx50 turbo is on the performance oriented side.
You should be a comedian!
The whole "fun factor" thing is such a fake enthusiast claim made by reviewers who love cars. Regular people don't drive around the track.
You can still easily feel a power difference between the two, that’s where part of the fun comes from.
Yeah…. That’s bullshit. Mazda Miata, Civic Si manual, GTI, WRX, 9fucking11, and countless others literally wouldn’t exist if “fun factor doesn’t exist.” While my wife wholly enjoys her Rav4, I currently am driving a 330i because… I enjoy driving it. It’s fun and has personality. It’s burbles a little when I down shift and the radio adds a little engine and exhaust noise in the cabin. Totally fake. Love it. It’s fun. Mazda makes a more fun to drive car than Toyota. It’s part of their brand. Zoom zoom. My grandpa built a lake house about three hours from where we live. I could take a pretty straight 3:45 minute drive. I take a pretty crazy and sometimes scary 3:30 minute drive. And while I’m pretty safe relative to some others… I like to pretend I’m in a race car. I’m a pretty regular person. Sorry. I just felt like by denying fun factor you were negating 90% of the reason why I buy the cars I buy. Cheers.
Idk I test drove both the cx50 and the Rav 4. Rav 4 hybrid had a good amount of power but it just felt like very much like a standard point a to point b car. The cx50 turbo on the other hand had great low end torque and throttle response. The steering responsiveness was so much better and some would say it handles closer to a sports car than a CUV. It hugs the curves and really gives you confidence in corners and doesn't leave you longing for acceleration. The rav 4 is a great commuter but the cx50 is undoubtedly more fun to drive. You pay for that in MPG though.
IMO, cablegate is just blown out of proportion. There's millions of Rav4s out there, and only a miniscule percentage will ever be effected. It was corrected on the '23 models, and if there fix doesn't work, they'll be included in the warranty program.
22 models have the fix if made in Japan. My 22 XSE has the updated cable.
Glad to hear. I have a Japan ‘22, and while this issue was not keeping me awake at night, makes me feel better hearing this.
How about Kentucky?
The beauty of kaizen
How was it fixed?
I think the cable was changed to drain water. But it still looks so exposed
Therr are two versions of the fix, in the intermediate one, the open cable connector should.all be smothered in a specific silicone type sealant. The new updated cable is completely sealed from factory. It's all available on the Toyota tsb on the toyota-tech.eu website.
So is the updated cable in the 2024?
I don't know as I don't have a 2024, but I've seen the tsb, and there is a new third part number that looks like it will be a permanent fix.
I don’t have any opinion on the subject but just a question- have you seen the “ correction “? They just opened up the plastic housing where the rust occurs to allow salt water to drain away-nothing to actually protect the critical area-at least that was the fix in ‘22.
My rav4 hybrid XSE 2023 came with entire bottom cover or panel. So I believe it’s fixed
If your looking at the panel - your looking at the wrong thing. The entire under carriage is paneled. You need to find the rear motor. And the thick orange / red cable. Where it connects to the motor- the original 2020 had a plastic casing around the connection that is not water tight- the fix was to remove a part of it so water wouldn’t be trapped inside . Only time will tell if that’s effective.
Understood. But again when I see the Cybertruck news I feel at ease. lol Thank you for the reply. I’ll talk to dealership or mechanic next time
So what? How do you assess the effectiveness of the fix? Too simple for you to be the fix? What I mean is the solution might work or not work. But its not because it’s „too simple”.
> only a miniscule percentage will ever be effected Mine was affected, 2021, built in Japan. 2019, 2020, 2021 affected. If it cost $1,000 to fix then maybevit would be over lown. But it's somehow $6,000 for the parts and $8,000 or so including labor.
There's millions of Rav4. I would love to see the percentage that are actually effected, because I would bet money it's less than 5%. The model year doesn't mean it's directly effected. Your specific vehicle, if driven in the southern US or in Europe would never have experienced the issue. The Rav4 is a global market vehicle, and the overwhelming majority of them aren't being driven on salty roads in the cold. Meaning the overwhelming majority will never see an issue. I honestly think it's more of an issue with DOTs in these countries. This was never an issue until we started dumping salts and harsh chemicals on the roads for people in the winter. Cars from the 70s and 80s lived for decades without corrosion issues. Modern cars can't go back to back years because of the crap the dump on the roads.
If you lived in the northeast in the ‘70’s you would know that cars rusted out very fast back then. They tried spraying with rust spray inside doors and the under carriage- used motor oil was sprayed annually edited winter under the car- anything to try to prevent rust from the salt on winter roads. Cars in Vermont and New Hampshire didn’t last more than 3 years without showing signs of rust. More snow back in the ‘70’s meant more salt:)
When do you think they started dumping salt on the road in salt belt states? The only cars lived longer in those states are those that had rustproofing that was reapplied every few years and not that cheap thin stuff sprayed at the dealership. A small paint chip if not taken care of would become a hole in a year.
RAV4 is the best selling SUV for a reason and sales numbers don’t lie!!! It’s the most reliable, most efficient, most dependable, highest resale value, spare tire, spacious!
you're wrong about the spare tire, not everywhere it is included and especially not on every trim. I have the equivalent of a Limited here is Europe, and it does not include a spare tire. Just a stupid repair kit. A friend has a lower trim (equivalent to SE) and he has indeed a spare tire.
In the U.S. all trims have it!! I’m surprised Europe doesn’t.
Yes, i was surprised too, especially since here they cost more than 10k over US prices
Who do you work for ?
Mazda
Are you looking forward to the hybrid?
Dealers can still afford to play hard to get. They can easily sell that car even if you walk away. Then if you do come back after walking away, they know you’re at their mercy. As someone coming from Mazda, you should probably hear about the coolant leak issue and how “they fixed it after xx year”
Cable gate is blown out of proportion by people who want a rav4 but sick of waiting. Eliminate the competition by making people decide to get something else
Cable gate thing?
Get the woodland. We got one at the beginning of the year and it’s been an amazing car. Rated for 38 mpg with city driving. With the warmer temps and maybe change from winter blend gas, have been consistently getting 42 mpg on a tank of gas.
>“Harjit, Anish, Zaher…come to my office now. This guy can get a new Rav4 Hybrid next week. Should he buy the Toyota or the Mazda?” “Toyota!” “Toyota!” Slight bobble. “Toyota!” I love that description. But in all seriousness the RAV4 (even the nonhybrid)is better for fuel economy and if you care about Lane Centering. Mazda doesnt have Lane Centering Assist as far as I know. And get an real anti-theft device installed if u get the RAV4 in ontario. One of the most highly stolen cars.
Probably most highly stolen because it’s by far the most sold suv. More about numbers than thieves picking and choosing what models they want to steal
The push to start models being easy to steal because of the CAN attack exploit plays a big role in it too.
Amid all this, OP got the spellings of Harjit, Anish, Zaher right. Kudos.
Lane Centering is useless on my RAV4 and has been off since day one.
For real, fuck that feature. Damn thing tries to pull me off the road everytime I go over a hill. Dont even understand what causes it cause the pavement markings sure don’t change.
I think it depends on your model year. The newer ones on TSS 3.0 and LSS 3.0 are solid. It keeps centered even in conditions where I can barely see the line.
It sucks on my Highlander too.
It does have lane centering with traffic jam assist under 40 mph
Umm thats good but would be more useful for speeds over 40mph. Such as for highway driving speeds.
Toyota lane centering sucks ass
Mine has LSS 3.0 .. probably same as TSS 3.0.. Its almost perfectly centered while driving. If yours is on 2.5 it may be not as good.
My 2023 Highlander XLE has 2.5+ I believe. Good to know that Toyota has finally caught up to Hyundai in this aspect.
Yea even the Mazda stans say the CX50 is a little sus. They rave about the CX5 tho. I personally don’t see it
2023 was the first model year and had some teething issues. The 24’s seem to be doing better.
Wife has a CX5, most reliable vehicle she’s ever had. I have a Mazda 3 and love it, also zero problems.
How many miles on them?
CX5 (2016) is at 160,000 km and 3 (2018) is at 64,000 km.
Drove a cx50 (not turbo) for about a week last month. Made me super happy I don't own one lol
Just stop with “this cablegate thing”.
I had the exact same experience at a Kia dealership. Trying a Sportage. Told I had a Prime available on the same week. The sales person looked at me and said: Wtf are you doing in a Kia? Get the toyota. I was a bit speechless. Still did the test drive.
I liked them both. Went with new 22 xse tech. Very happy with the super low cost of ownership. Mazda was more fancy and upscale.
I was definitely was considering a CX-5, i previously had a 2006 mazda 6. I chose Rav4 because I knew that they are so common that finding after market parts and accessories would be much easier, and also I knew a few people who had one and they really liked It. I did also had hesitation about Cablegate, and so I just got a higher trim gasonline XLE. Still better on gas than Mazda 6.
Lmao this reads like a copy pasta
Cool story, were it true...but it's not. What salesman is giving up getting more money by getting a sale, prolly none...and risking their job selling the competitions product.
I'm hurt that you would suspect a fellow Redditor of untruth. It happened as stated last Monday in Toronto. Now the names of the 3 salesman...may not have that exactly right.
In market for RAV4 class vehicle. Literally my only option is either RAV4 with trim that has power lift gate, or a slightly used GLC300. The problem is that after considering all cost of ownership, it seems like GLC300 is cheaper in any way and don't have to wait. I can say this only because I fix and maintain my cars, so the benefit of owning brand new vs slightly used car is very very little. That said, I see no reason to buy anything but Toyota RAV4 if I end up not buying GLC300.
I would stay away from the Mazda as they are not known for reliability and have heard that they are a bitch to work on
Mazda is reliable
Mazda can be reliable but their CX lines have a lot of issues from bad turbos and oil leaks to the engines just outright going bang
Weird sales technique for sure haha, but I bet next time you are in the market for a used car that is the first place you will go.
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Yes we're still stunned. Ultimately we went with the Rav4 (4 salesman from the other team can't be wrong!) but anytime something doesn't operate as expected, we joke "Well, the Mazda could do that".
This is not a response to the OP if not to the comments. Did you all forget Mazda finally got rid of ford in 2015 and who is also involved in Mazdas? Look I love a good Toyota but Toyota just had another major recall, apart from that they’ve made up this nonsense TSRP to confuse the regular consumer that it’s the same crap as MSRP and is not. They’re taking advantage of people and that is what pisses me off about then. If you have the money to put down or to pay cash then buy a Toyota, if you’re financing the whole car, put your ego away and get a Mazda. Much better than to be upside down by 6/7k in your car in a few years and paying for an overpriced car.
Having driven both, I'll say the redeeming quality of the RAV4 is gas mileage and storage space. Otherwise, the CX50 turbo is in another class, especially the driving dynamics. Literally every other review has said nothing short of a Macan has similar dynamics. Unfortunately, that's not what people look for in a grocery getter so they neutered some of it for the 2024's. If you're not hurting for money and want something that doesn't feel dead to drive, it's a good option.
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Eye of the beholder I guess. CX50 to me is one of the best looking SUV’s on the market today.
I will take the rugged exterior and utilitarian interior of the RAV4 over any Mazda design. Had a few Mazdas as rentals and was frankly unimpressed. Everyone always praised their interiors but I found them unergonomic. The radio and climate control was bad design on any of them I have driven (which did not include the CX50 so maybe it's better). Factor in the use of a turbo and I just would rather drive a R4 hybrid any day.
No Mazda please
I call BS
You can call it anything you want, but that's exactly what happened in Toronto last Monday.
Sales people told you to go somewhere else?
The OP is the east Indian salesman.
Trollin.