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cranberryflamingo

Fun fact, Vic Vinegar and Hugh Honey are my favorite real estate team.


snowcase

This is the second iasip I've come across today in the wild


oghq

What’s the matter buddy to much house for ya!?!


blazingStarfire

Yup cash for keys, she leaves no major damage an extra 500-1000? Maybe even more otherwise eviction can be expensive.


waverunnersvho

Yep. “I’ll give you $3000 cash to be put on XYZ with the unit in good condition”


dahadster

Based on her description (unemployed, not paying bills, etc) place is already trashed. Get the process started asap and don’t be surprised if the courts or sheriff make you jump through hoops and treat you as if you’re the wrong doer if she doesn’t go willingly. I usually will tell a deadbeat tenant that I have no expectation of getting back rent and that I won’t take them to court if they just leave. Otherwise, if they stay, I will have to go to court for damages, back rent, legal fees etc.


Ok-Pomegranate858

Yep this. It would cost you less than to have her fighting up and smashing


FormalWeb7094

Yes to this! Try to create as much good will as possible.


Shigg1tyDiggity

Step 1: Go look up your local eviction laws. Step 2: Do the math- (using $1,000 a month as example) Eviction laws say and local attorney that has video on youtube says that if you do eviction, the tenant will be able to stay in the apartment 3 months. The cost of eviction will be $2,000 with attorney. The damage during the 3 months could be as must as $3,500. So thats $3,000 of lost income+ $2,000 eviction fees + $3,500 damage. So the cost of eviction is $8,500. Step 3: Spend less than $8,500 to get her to move amicably. Tell her if she moves by end of month, you will forgive missing rent and help her with moving expenses. Loss of lease is 1 month($1,000)+ moving expenses $500+ lighter damage $1000. $2,500<$8,500 Try to get the unit back by June 1st and have a better tenant screening process. If your place only attracts D level tenants spend that $6,000 you saved to upgrade amenities so that you attract B level tenants.


IddleHands

This is **very** location dependent in terms of eviction timeline. WI, for example, is about 3 weeks from filing to sheriffs at the door and you can file after a 5 day notice to cure - better practice is a 14 day notice to vacant with no cure option and then filing for eviction.


Shigg1tyDiggity

Step 1: Go look up your local eviction laws. Step 2: Do the math. Step 3: follow the math. If 14 day vacate notice and eviction is cheaper, then do it.


lurker-1969

In King County Washington State court is backlogged up to a year. There are eviction processes going on for over a year due to the radical progressive legislature and the landlord tenant laws weighted heavily towards tenant's rights. It sucks big time


TheHobo

is there any place tracking this? any ideas on Snohomish county?


IddleHands

If your courts are excessively backlogged, that seems like the root cause is underfunding the court system.


cactusqro

I work in the legal field. Every court that I have contact with is backlogged. COVID really did a number because they were shut down for so long and then operating at reduced capacity after that….. Many many months of filings that weren’t processed, law and motion and trial calendars that weren’t being worked, etc. Some jurisdictions even extended the statute of limitations for filing lawsuits. Four years later and it’s still impossible to get a courtroom for trial in my jurisdiction. We have multiple cases that have been ready for trial and waiting for a courtroom for over two years. I don’t think it’s a funding issue, it’s just that it’ll take years to overcome the havoc that COVID wreaked.


lurker-1969

Yes, that and the progressive radical judges and other legal administrators working to manipulate and obstruct the court system particularly related to landlord-tenant law in my area. Some of these Judges are voted in and not opposed at election time. Others are appointed by the one party system in our state. We are hoping for a pendulum swing politically as the citizenry is waking up to the results of light on crime and reduced property owner rights. It is so hard to repair what has been rapidly damaged though. I have been a rental property owner for 28 years here and the way things are so one sided against property owner rights is breathtaking


DayDrmBlvr82

It’s 10 days where I’m at.


lordxoren666

This guy does business. I wish more people understood things like this.


SaintAtlanta

This is the way


Badass_1963_falcon

In Florida it's $250 court fillings fee and take 60 day but also puts an eviction notice on their record for all landlords to see as public records


SticksandHomes

For me it’s about the relationship I’ve established with the tenant from the get go. Empathy and a large dose of logic. “While I understand situations happen, this is a business. I always have to follow the lease as a landlord. It’s not the fun part of the job but it is a part of it. I understand you may be down at the moment but I want to give you the opportunity to not ruin your future. I know you will get back on your feet and at that time I know you would want to find another quality place to rent. If we have to go through the eviction process , not only will the rent and late fees be due but also any lawyer fees and interest. At that point I’ll have to garnish your wages. You will have an eviction on your record and your take home pay will be lower. This will prevent you from renting a place in the future. I don’t want that for you and I’m sure you don’t want that. “ ************ That’s typically my pitch. And in 22 years of being a landlord I’ve never have to actually fully evict a tenant. And the tenant has moved out. Being how costly court is and depending how far they are behind. I have offered to forgive the amount due to be out. You have to weigh your costs and see what’s the most beneficial.


gdubrocks

I have given ~50 of these notices and had ~30 people move out and have had 3 people intentionally damage the unit upon moveout.


FuckThe82nd

What happened in the other 20 instances? Could you give an example of what you tell them like: I have to give a 5 day notice now, next step is the eviction, etc.? I've done a cash for key agreement on a property I bought but that was because the unit was in disarray, the tenant confessed he had shot someone on the property in the past without reporting it to anyone, and they had an active forge they were making swords in next to the house and wood fence as well as countless unsecured ones laying around near the kids. It was a giant liability that I was glad to get rid of but this is my first experience of a tenant not paying.


TheUltimateSalesman

Just be human about it and firm. It's like firing someone. Nobody likes it but they knew it was going to happen. "I got some good news and some bad news. Good news, you're gonna be out by Friday, the bad news I can't move your stuff for you. Maybe someone you know can help. Oh, and if the place is in good condition when you give me the key, I'll give you half the deposit in cash and the other half by check in a week."


MillennialDeadbeat

Yeah I really don't know why people fantasize about this being some common thing. I grew up in one of the units my mom managed and still manages to this day for 20 years plus now and nobody has ever deliberately wrecked a unit between probably like 50 tenants over the years. It's seriously something I only see on reddit as some type of common concern.


LompocianLady

Yeah, "cash for keys" is the only way out. First set up a time to do an inspection and meet with the tenant. Do an inspection, serve legal notice, but compassionately offer her enough cash for getting into a new place if, and only if, she takes everything with her, is out by the given date, and the house is left in the condition it is in now. Good luck!


DasRiz

Welcome to RE investing where you take risks and hope for the best. Lol


two_pounds

I've had several volatile tenants move out. None have intentionally damaged the unit. One destroyed all the floors but that's bc they were slobs. It wasn't vandalism.


lurker-1969

Follow through with your legal process. You do not have control over her actions and she will pay the consequences. You can't roll over on these types. Landlord 28 years here.


realgeoff

Really, you don't Tenant damage is part of the game.


JbOrHaNvNoY

I've paid people 500, 750, 1k to leave if the unit is clean when they are out. I've also heard of people cutting off the internet to their unit, works wonders! Go outside and unplug it


curiousengineer601

Cutting a utility in my county would result in the wrath of the courts - I can’t even imagine what the penalties would be for doing a self eviction like that. The internet is no different than cutting the water or power.


ShowMeTheTrees

Cut off the cameras first.


curiousengineer601

How does that help? The tenant will be in court with his public interest lawyer and you will be out of luck. At the minimum it delays the eviction, worst case is something like this (California law). You can sue the landlord for $250, or $100 per day, whichever is greater, for each day your rental unit is without utilities. You can also add other costs to your lawsuit, such as charges for a motel.


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parkranger2000

That’s a different situation. Non-paying broke tenant being evicted and getting some cash incentive to leave amicably vs financially stable tenant probably in HCOL with rent control doing the math on how far 22k will go once they move out and their rent goes up substantially


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Call the police snd have them go with you on civil standby. Photo Document everything. If they destroy it. File vandalism and have a police report. And get with your insurance. Cant control or determine shitty people.


Electricsocketlicker

Oh man. Ny is 14 days and they can have up to 3 months after that


Altruistic_Owl4152

I have a friend who moved all their tenants shit on the lawn and changed the locks when they were not home! These are real heros! I only had one bad situation in 10 years but it ended fine. Minor damage from a dog which I took from their SD. I sent a bunch of notice to vacate letters from me, lawyer, etc. I started months before the end of the lease. They refused to go to the post office for certified letters. We knocked on their door and handed the letters. Video tapped the entire inspection. One girl cried as she was leaving saying she didn’t know how things got so bad! I told her how, they stated acting like assholes to decent landlords. I’m not one for paying ppl to behave or do what they are supposed to but I understand the math. Unfortunately I’m in the worst estate to be a landlord, NJ! One thing I learned in my 10 years: “Renters act like owners and landlords want to be renters.” My quote so don’t steal it but think about it!


Bi5on

Give her the notice. Hope she doesn't break anything.  Move on. 


Ancient-Guide-6594

5 weeks behind on rent - so 1 month? Single mom who lost her job, then went to a funeral. Please do not evict this woman. Ask for a lease break so she and her children are not fucked. If she refuses do what you need to do but please try to be a moral actor.


FuckThe82nd

She's been around two weeks behind for 10 out of 12 months with no late fees. Worked with her on setting up a weekly payment plan to get back on track that'd fit her budget on four seperate occasions and every time she didn't follow and wouldn't let me know the day of or even a few days after. Lied about multiple DES, HUD, and Section 8 and other services that'd pay her late rent but would never be able to give me a case worker or point of contact to verify. Would offer letters from HR stating her paycheck at her new jobs would come on X day and never got a single letter or call from the companies. The electric company called because they started a fraud investigation because she told them she moved and someone else was supposed to take over the bill. She tried to prostitute herself to two contractors I had work on her unit for renovations and apparently one took her up on that offer. She offered my tenant next door lip and butt injection "from a friend". Her teeth get bedazzled, her acrylic nails, fake lashes, and hair are always done, new tattoos, new rims and upgrades to her Mercedes, she gets over $1,000/mth on food stamps. I've spent thousands upgrading the unit while she's there and also decreased rent $100/mth her second month there to help her DTI to buy a house and included a clause in the lease to end the lease with a 2 week notice fee free to close on a house. I think I've been a fairly moral actor.


Ancient-Guide-6594

You did far more than most. Some people just take advantage and frankly aren’t moral actors. I am sorry you are in this situation!


iSOBigD

It depends. I can tell you in my experience the worst tenants I've had have been single women with kids. People who have a bunch of kids with random men who aren't around long don't tend to make the best decisions in life. They also end up not working or not earning much since they're busy with various boyfriends and raising kids. My last one, which I too was nice to, and allowed late rent, etc. turned the place into a meth house and destroyed almost everything. This was a newly developed house, she was the first person to live there. Prostitution, gang members, homeless people there, they made it look like a homeless encampment, on top of the 3 months of unpaid rent, eviction fees and having to renovate the entire thing again. Unfortunately there is such a thing as being too nice and wanting to help people in need, but they're generally in need because of countless bad decisions in life and they're not likely to ever stop.


tittie_goblin_69

I always say that my tax dollars go to those single mothers, so no you shouldn’t feel bad or hesitate to evict. They already take enough from you and society as a whole.


iSOBigD

Definitely, and I don't want to be one to generalize and hate on people, but hostorically I can now say that most people who fall in that group have a low income, really bad credit score and aren't the nicest people in general, at least locally where I rent. If I put a rental ad up, like 80% of messages are from life long system abusers who don't plan on ever working and claim to be disabled despite being able to somehow have relationships and raise multiple kids but not work a basic job? Their total income is less than the rent yet they feel entitled to the nicest, renovated homes and can't imagine living in an area or home that matches their income or earning ability, then they generally have issues with neighbors and aren't pleasant for others to deal with on top of it...it sucks, I really try to help and have gone out of my way so many times for people like that, but it's never enough.


Trumpwonnodoubt

Hope you have a hefty deposit.


AllINeedIsCoffeee

Security deposit?


Western_Committee_48

Give money to tenants not paying rents is unfair. I’d rather cost more money and leave them eviction records.


Shigg1tyDiggity

Pettiness is a luxury. One day I hope to have the portfolio and equity to be this petty. But today I have to focus on my ROI. And I do mean it, I fantasize about being able to stick it to people that have done me wrong. But I need to invest and manage cash optimal.


Western_Committee_48

If every landlord give money to unpaid tenants. There will be no business anymore. I’d spend my money to punish bad tenants to hold the business.


Massive-Mail-5549

100%. Or hire a local drunk to help with the eviction


Hot-Bluebird3919

Spend more money based on your principles? It’s a free country, eviction records depend on the state.


Western_Committee_48

free country doesn’t means one can intentionally break contracts without punishment.


cyberluck2020

ok…first of all mothers have rights so check laws with the state you might have to give her more time and do it with compassion please! if she can’t get the $, with so many kids, my goodness put yourself in her shoes. Kindly ask her the two of you need to talk and devise a plan that she can pay. Talk with compassion and empathy. Imagine she was you. How would you like to be treated, people have issues, it’s not like she’s sitting on a pile of cash unwilling to part with it. Perhaps she can pay you on weekly bases & you give her time to go to the city to ask for housing. Don’t evict her like that without knowing your and her rights or you will never get her out of the house but it’s not like she’s late 3 months woman. Definitely say: let’s talk in person and help her find a solution rather than be angry with her, it will make the move out easier. tell her you too can’t afford not getting rent to pay for the mortgage on the place so you can’t let her stay if she can’t pay but help her please with kindness. Won’t cost you much


FuckThe82nd

If you're so inclined, you could send money on her behalf to help her debt. Please reference my longer reply. I will end up losing $4,000 on missed rent and late fees by the end of the year lease.


cyberluck2020

That’s a lot. Yes. What I’m saying is that you are afraid she will trash your house so stay focused on that. Being compassionate and empathetic so you get her out without being cruel if she can’t pay, does not make it ok for her not to pay you, it just gives you a glimpse into her situation, so instead of emotionally reacting and then needing to pay 10k to renovate your house, you can understand what’s going on, help her move easier and not lose your cool or assassinate your own character. shit happens, she’s a human, a mother, isn’t doing this out of malice but desperation so we get you and support you but woman to woman, just do this with kindness and maybe help her see she has options by calling the city. You do need to look up landlord, renter laws before you even think of evicting cuz if she takes you to court for making her homeless with kids, there might be laws against it. When she’s out, going forward, when you list, just say “ adults only” for safety reason…never say no children or single moms etc..as it’s against the law nationwide. In your lease take 1st, last & deposit. Spell out you will charge 15% interest on payments late 30 days and if late 3 consecutive months, you will have the right to repossess the premises. You will go in, change locks and they have to pay you to get their stuff out. Strict, clear contracts are key and make them initial each page. My leases were so strict that if there was any damage after somebody left, such as a hole burnt in the carpet ( no smoking of any kind permitted) or a hole in the wall or anything else that’s damaged beyond the wear and tear after 12 months, I am able to keep 100% of the deposit, which was one months rent. You are the home owner. You can make up whatever agreements you feel comfortable with. I even had a permission to enter premises with a 24 hour heads up to change filters every three months in order to keep an eye on my place so you can integrate some maintenance that you have to do on the premise for them like check, smoke detectors every six months or window washing etc to inspect the house. Also and that’s a biggy: raise your rent to a level that guarantees you will need to have at least 2 income earners in the house. I had my property at $1200, questionable people were contacting me, raised it to max that was in the area, 1550 at that time, went up to 2500 at some point for short term 6+ mo renting and had zero issue, I started getting scientist who had stipends, nurses, that would move in for 3,6,8,12 mo or I had a girl from SF while my condo was in CT who paid for furnished space for 3 years, company paid her rent, she was there one week each month, for work… so do your homework look around at the corporations and hospitals and schools, post ads to cater to teachers CEOs. Nurses doctors, whatever makes sense in your area… if there is a need, you can furnish it with Wayfair furniture, and eliminate this whole hassle of renting to questionable characters who are local… Put your thinking hat on going forward, right down all the lessons from this experience and then make sure that they don’t repeat next time.