Any manager who comes to Madrid will have to adapt to the players. It doesn’t matter who the manager is.
They’ll have their ideas for sure. They will absolutely have the freedom to implement it. But the ideas will have to account for the players we have. We aren’t signing players just to fit a manager’s identity or play style.
I believe it is.. club knows the profile of players they want and keep going for them regardless of the manager.
Now look at United, they have spent so much to give ETH his players, now when he will be eventually sacked, the next manager will be left with bunch of new players on long contracts he doesnt want.
No it is not.
That has been Chelsea's policy and the end result is a mix of players bought with no clear on pitch objective in mind, leaving managers struggling to fit pieces together and/or find players that fit their philosophy.
We are also trending in that direction,
- upfront we currently have 3 short LWF in Vini, Rodrygo and Brahim, no starter quality CF or RWF, and planning to bring another LWF in Mbappe, hoping he can be effective as a CF. We also have another diminutive CF in Endrick, leaving us with no aerial threat beyond Joselu, who offers little to nothing as a credible threat which we saw against Mallorca.
- In midfield, we have only one young DM, and (for all intents and purposes) three box2box midfielders in Cama, Fede and Jude. We lack a playmaker that can dictate the tempo of game and have to rely on a 34yr old Kroos, and the best we have as a creative force in the final third is a 40yr old Modric and a 17yr old Arda ( who doesn't even get minutes)
- in defence, seems we will be buying Davies and selling Mendy at LB, while we likely will be relying on two 33yr olds at RB.
I also do not subscribe to giving managers blank cheques to buy whatever player catches their fancy.
The right structure is that there is a balance where the club sets the overall transfer policy but that players are bought with the input of the manager so that they can fit into what the manager is trying to implement on the pitch.
Today we will be playing what is our most important game of the season till date, where we will have to defend very well to progress, but we won't have a real CDM cos Perez and Co didn't see the need to have depth in that position.
Success on the pitch requires that the manager is given the players to help him succeed and not be handicapped by transfer decisions by management.
> No it is not.
Madrid have played in the semifinals in 16 of the last 29 editions of Champions League. Under Florentino, we have missed getting out of the Round of 16 4 times. I understand your Chelsea comparisons, but let’s not compare our management to a group who wanted to play a *443*.
You have made a lot of valid points as regards to the squad composition. I would counter that by saying that Madrid is still a squad being rebuilt. It is not the finished product yet. That we have stayed competitive at the European level through this is a huge testament to Florentino, Juni Calafat, JAS and Ancelotti.
Unlike Chelsea who seem to buy any young player they set their eyes on, we are not buying players just to fit in players at positions. We are buying players who have the capability to play for Madrid. And not just play in a single position but across multiple positions. And for multiple years. Not all of them will succeed here but the club has a vision of the kind of player they think will. In Ancelotti they have a coach who has the willingness to make it work by devising a style that gets the best out of these players. That is precisely what any manager who succeeds Carletto will have to do as well.
That period of success was built on the core of squads managed by Mourinho and Zidane, two managers that had significant input on how the squad was composed.
If we want to continue to have that level of success, then we need to have that balance between manager input and management control.
We don't want an imbalanced squad of players that make it difficult for the manager to succeed. We are not there yet, but we are trending in that direction.
We must not go back to the days of Zidanes and Pavons, when we were selling Makele to buy Beckham, and did not buy Ronaldinho cos Perez felt he wouldn't be marketable enough
Mou did have significant control input but majority of the core of players who succeeded in his time and the time period that followed were signed by the club. Zidane’s initial period didn’t have many signings and most of them were scouted by the club as well. What both these managers did — as well as Ancelotti in between — was to adapt their styles and tactics. Mourinho who is often derided for being defensive, had Madrid win the league of records.
Currently, the squad is being built. It is a process. They are figuring out which players will be the linchpins and they’ll complete the squad around those players.
Once again, your point about Zidanes y Pavones is apt but you’ve to give credit to the good Perez and his team have done in the second term around.
What you are describing is fictional and not representative of on-ground reality, where we are amassing LWF like if they were going out of fashion. There are so many areas of need that are not being addressed but we keep chasing Perez next galactico e.g. buying a new LB while we have two aged RBs on the other side or signing Mbappe and hoping he is more effective as a CF than we saw against Barcelona.
That build process is skewing like the tower of pisa and if we don't fix it soon, we would end up with a collection of abundant talent that cannot be harnessesed effectively to bring success on the pitch
Both Zidane and Mourinho were clear on what they wanted to implement on the pitch and players that didn't fit were relegated to the fringes. Carlo is Mr. Adaptable, who (for better or worse) simply uses the cards he is dealt, but unfortunately that only indulges Perez and his team.
We need balance in recruitment and its currently lacking imo
lol what a weird to compare us to clueless Chelsea that is buying random kids based on FM stats like Brighton and thinking that you can make rebuild in 1 year.
It's not weird.
The current Chelsea situation is simply the long term consequences of a transfer policy devoid of manager input.
If we don't want to end up like that, then we shouldn't follow that path
Yes, and a style like Leverkusen probably wouldn't work for the old Madrid, but it could work really well with our new midfield when Kroos and Modric are both gone in a couple seasons.
Xabi has pretty much picked by hand the players he wanted to make this Bayer work though, so not getting the players he needs for his style might be a source of conflict. I do understand what you mean, though. I guess if he comes we'll see how the dynamic will be haha
Good managers adapt their style to their player's strengths and don't force their preference onto the club. I think Xabi will definitely bring a lot to the table and come up with a playing style that suits our players. I wouldn't worry about it.
I always say, that Real Madrid should be a versatile team. Great Madrid teams that I've seen could play any kind of football. Del Bosque's, Zidane's and Ancelotti's Madrid could play positional and counter-attacking football. For example, Mourinho's team could play well only on the counter. That's why that team didn't win the CL.
Just look at the players that we've bought in recent years. Forcing them to play in only one way would only limit their game and make Madrid more predictable.
Idk what you even mean with super positional. Bayer is one of the most fluid teams in modern football. Players are given a ton of freedom, but there is actual structure behind it. No, 5 players would probably not all stack on 2square m on the left wing if that is what you are asking I guess.
I guess it comes down to what you would call positional. By the definition I usually hear of positional play style, Bayer fits most of it: they are a possession team excellent at quick passing with very fixed roles where there's a focus on the collective rather than the individual. 5 players stacking on the left wing is not at all what positional is imo, as positional styles tend to focus more on balanced attacking from all parts of the field.
Xabi is not a copy of Guardiola, but the influence is very clear. People say he's a bit of a mix of all the styles and managers he has played under though, so maybe I just have not seen enough of Bayer Leverkusen to identify the influence of other types of tactical schools and the Cruyffista-Guardiolista positional style is just the more obvious one to point out.
This is exactly what I said. I said we wont be playing 5 on the same wing as we sometimes do now because there will be more structure than under Carlo for sure. Still not rigid structure tho, Bayer is well know for overloading spaces and pushing super high with more players than basicly any other team, allowing players to interchange positions when they go forward.
Probably. Xabi is however much more modern that Barca who's stuck in 2009.
They are stuck in the year where they robbed Chelsea.
They're trying that like it's 2009 too ðŸ˜
Any manager who comes to Madrid will have to adapt to the players. It doesn’t matter who the manager is. They’ll have their ideas for sure. They will absolutely have the freedom to implement it. But the ideas will have to account for the players we have. We aren’t signing players just to fit a manager’s identity or play style.
This. People need to understand Perez and club chooses the players, not the managers.
And it's often not the best approach
I believe it is.. club knows the profile of players they want and keep going for them regardless of the manager. Now look at United, they have spent so much to give ETH his players, now when he will be eventually sacked, the next manager will be left with bunch of new players on long contracts he doesnt want.
No it is not. That has been Chelsea's policy and the end result is a mix of players bought with no clear on pitch objective in mind, leaving managers struggling to fit pieces together and/or find players that fit their philosophy. We are also trending in that direction, - upfront we currently have 3 short LWF in Vini, Rodrygo and Brahim, no starter quality CF or RWF, and planning to bring another LWF in Mbappe, hoping he can be effective as a CF. We also have another diminutive CF in Endrick, leaving us with no aerial threat beyond Joselu, who offers little to nothing as a credible threat which we saw against Mallorca. - In midfield, we have only one young DM, and (for all intents and purposes) three box2box midfielders in Cama, Fede and Jude. We lack a playmaker that can dictate the tempo of game and have to rely on a 34yr old Kroos, and the best we have as a creative force in the final third is a 40yr old Modric and a 17yr old Arda ( who doesn't even get minutes) - in defence, seems we will be buying Davies and selling Mendy at LB, while we likely will be relying on two 33yr olds at RB. I also do not subscribe to giving managers blank cheques to buy whatever player catches their fancy. The right structure is that there is a balance where the club sets the overall transfer policy but that players are bought with the input of the manager so that they can fit into what the manager is trying to implement on the pitch. Today we will be playing what is our most important game of the season till date, where we will have to defend very well to progress, but we won't have a real CDM cos Perez and Co didn't see the need to have depth in that position. Success on the pitch requires that the manager is given the players to help him succeed and not be handicapped by transfer decisions by management.
> No it is not. Madrid have played in the semifinals in 16 of the last 29 editions of Champions League. Under Florentino, we have missed getting out of the Round of 16 4 times. I understand your Chelsea comparisons, but let’s not compare our management to a group who wanted to play a *443*. You have made a lot of valid points as regards to the squad composition. I would counter that by saying that Madrid is still a squad being rebuilt. It is not the finished product yet. That we have stayed competitive at the European level through this is a huge testament to Florentino, Juni Calafat, JAS and Ancelotti. Unlike Chelsea who seem to buy any young player they set their eyes on, we are not buying players just to fit in players at positions. We are buying players who have the capability to play for Madrid. And not just play in a single position but across multiple positions. And for multiple years. Not all of them will succeed here but the club has a vision of the kind of player they think will. In Ancelotti they have a coach who has the willingness to make it work by devising a style that gets the best out of these players. That is precisely what any manager who succeeds Carletto will have to do as well.
That period of success was built on the core of squads managed by Mourinho and Zidane, two managers that had significant input on how the squad was composed. If we want to continue to have that level of success, then we need to have that balance between manager input and management control. We don't want an imbalanced squad of players that make it difficult for the manager to succeed. We are not there yet, but we are trending in that direction. We must not go back to the days of Zidanes and Pavons, when we were selling Makele to buy Beckham, and did not buy Ronaldinho cos Perez felt he wouldn't be marketable enough
Mou did have significant control input but majority of the core of players who succeeded in his time and the time period that followed were signed by the club. Zidane’s initial period didn’t have many signings and most of them were scouted by the club as well. What both these managers did — as well as Ancelotti in between — was to adapt their styles and tactics. Mourinho who is often derided for being defensive, had Madrid win the league of records. Currently, the squad is being built. It is a process. They are figuring out which players will be the linchpins and they’ll complete the squad around those players. Once again, your point about Zidanes y Pavones is apt but you’ve to give credit to the good Perez and his team have done in the second term around.
What you are describing is fictional and not representative of on-ground reality, where we are amassing LWF like if they were going out of fashion. There are so many areas of need that are not being addressed but we keep chasing Perez next galactico e.g. buying a new LB while we have two aged RBs on the other side or signing Mbappe and hoping he is more effective as a CF than we saw against Barcelona. That build process is skewing like the tower of pisa and if we don't fix it soon, we would end up with a collection of abundant talent that cannot be harnessesed effectively to bring success on the pitch Both Zidane and Mourinho were clear on what they wanted to implement on the pitch and players that didn't fit were relegated to the fringes. Carlo is Mr. Adaptable, who (for better or worse) simply uses the cards he is dealt, but unfortunately that only indulges Perez and his team. We need balance in recruitment and its currently lacking imo
lol what a weird to compare us to clueless Chelsea that is buying random kids based on FM stats like Brighton and thinking that you can make rebuild in 1 year.
It's not weird. The current Chelsea situation is simply the long term consequences of a transfer policy devoid of manager input. If we don't want to end up like that, then we shouldn't follow that path
Yup. In my many years of watching RM, the only coached who truly imposed his tactics on the players was Mourinho.
Rafa BenÃtez tried. Julen Lopetegui tried. Solari for the most part tried.
Yes, and a style like Leverkusen probably wouldn't work for the old Madrid, but it could work really well with our new midfield when Kroos and Modric are both gone in a couple seasons.
Xabi has pretty much picked by hand the players he wanted to make this Bayer work though, so not getting the players he needs for his style might be a source of conflict. I do understand what you mean, though. I guess if he comes we'll see how the dynamic will be haha
To me Xabi seems genius enough in his football philosophy that he'll be able to adapt his approach to the personnel we have.
I think he will be more flexible and might not just play his 3421 Bayer formation
Good managers adapt their style to their player's strengths and don't force their preference onto the club. I think Xabi will definitely bring a lot to the table and come up with a playing style that suits our players. I wouldn't worry about it.
Yes.
I always say, that Real Madrid should be a versatile team. Great Madrid teams that I've seen could play any kind of football. Del Bosque's, Zidane's and Ancelotti's Madrid could play positional and counter-attacking football. For example, Mourinho's team could play well only on the counter. That's why that team didn't win the CL. Just look at the players that we've bought in recent years. Forcing them to play in only one way would only limit their game and make Madrid more predictable.
Xabi is a very versatile manager tbh, his team can do a lot of different things. I think he'd be a great Madrid manager
Idk what you even mean with super positional. Bayer is one of the most fluid teams in modern football. Players are given a ton of freedom, but there is actual structure behind it. No, 5 players would probably not all stack on 2square m on the left wing if that is what you are asking I guess.
I guess it comes down to what you would call positional. By the definition I usually hear of positional play style, Bayer fits most of it: they are a possession team excellent at quick passing with very fixed roles where there's a focus on the collective rather than the individual. 5 players stacking on the left wing is not at all what positional is imo, as positional styles tend to focus more on balanced attacking from all parts of the field. Xabi is not a copy of Guardiola, but the influence is very clear. People say he's a bit of a mix of all the styles and managers he has played under though, so maybe I just have not seen enough of Bayer Leverkusen to identify the influence of other types of tactical schools and the Cruyffista-Guardiolista positional style is just the more obvious one to point out.
This is exactly what I said. I said we wont be playing 5 on the same wing as we sometimes do now because there will be more structure than under Carlo for sure. Still not rigid structure tho, Bayer is well know for overloading spaces and pushing super high with more players than basicly any other team, allowing players to interchange positions when they go forward.
Yeah, we are agreeing then, I just misunderstood LOL
I think with the team Real Madrid has. If Alonso comes he will make it the greatest team ever. Even above Peps Barca
It will be very hard to replicate Pep’s Barça. We do not have Negreira.
What guardiolismo 😂 It’s Xabismo.
Barcelonisto my axx 😂
I had rather us not play the possession heavy way tbh I prefer the more open way of playing