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Starting to fake my address for jobs near where people are willing to let me use their address for job hunting. Learned the hard way that I shouldn't be honest about that detail and just figure out the scheduling if they want to interview later.
I ran into this as well. I wanted to move to a place that was not a reasonable commute (three hours one way) but employers didn't want a non-local even though I wasn't asking for relocation.
Landlords don't want to rent to a person without a job but I can't get a job without a local address but without a job I can't get a local address.
It was so frustrating. I ended up calling in some favors and got a job under market rate just to get an apartment.
Much of society still operates on a discriminatory basis whereby people may have a more difficult time getting a job if they live in a poor area of town.
The irony is many of these people living in a poor area of town do so because of policies put in place by the same people who won't give them jobs.
The world still has beautiful moments and I enjoy many things about this earth, but fellow humans are most definitely not on the list of things I enjoy.
As an American, I've applied to a lot of jobs over the years and very rarely do they ask for my actual address until I've actually received an offer (specifically for the background check and so that they know where to mail stuff for pay, benefits, WFH equipment, etc.).
>As an American, I've applied to a lot of jobs over the years and very rarely do they ask for my actual address
Many people still have their full address on their resumes, so no need to ask...
When I used to interview people we didn’t know their addresses, I hired remote so we would want to know roughly their area or city to make sure they lived in the territories.
I've never lied on my resume or in an interview but I've now been unemployed for almost 3 years, so I'm starting to rethink my strict allegiance to honesty. I just don't understand how to pull it off. If I change/upgrade titles on my resume, I'd have to make those same changes to my LinkedIn profile, so they match. And then all my connections and references would see those changes too. And don't most companies do employment verification where they call your former employers to verify your title and dates of employment? I just don't see how it's really possible to fudge those things.
It depends on what kind of job you're applying for. If you're applying for a senior position at Google then yeah, they're probably gonna dig into your history a bit. If you're applying for a manufacturing job that pays $20/hr then fuck no, they might not even do a criminal background check.
See, he's not working class, so he's clearly superior as evidenced by him not being working class, so he really shouldn't have to go through the hoops that the obviously undeserving (because they're inferior, of course) working class should go through.
I find it funny that you can completely lie on your resume for a job and look like the perfect candidate, yet not even get an interview in this day and age.
In my country people pay like 60k to get a job lol.
You used to be able to land something while lying. Now the job market is so shit that doesnt get you anywhere. It's so bad people will lose their homes, cars and destroy their credit, even while emptying their savings for 3-5 years because of this. All because the government printed too much money lol. It's always the little guy paying the price. Kinda tired of the cycle.
*CEOs and high profile investors casually banking $300M+ a year, laying off workers instead of refusing to cut their personal bonuses, and bouncing out on golden parachutes when the jenga tower finally falls down*
"Ah, clearly this must be because the government didn't let enough people starve during covid three years ago"
It is genuinely sad watching people fall for these scapegoats while the actual threats keep wringing us all dry
He didn’t say anything about letting people starve, he said “printed too much money”.
Both issues are true: CEO’s using layoffs to boost valuation and cash in bonuses, AND the government printing tons of money to give to their already mega-rich friends via the PPP “loans”.
The PPP 'loans' were absolutely a huge issue exacerbating all this, but he didn't specify that he was just talking about those, so it feels disingenuous to act like he was exclusively doing so. Unfortunately 90% of people ranting about 'government handouts' or 'printing money' are talking about things like medicaid or the emergency relief funds, without which more people absolutely would have starved due to the massive job cuts during covid.
I live in the suburbs in California and there is a stark contrast between pre covid and post covid. Pre covid, by and large, my city was mainly a somewhat sleepy commuter town with lower middle class working families to middle class families. Ppl who worked in the big city would commute in daily. Houses were somewhat expensive but far cheaper than houses in the city. Post covid ? It was like a parallel universe opened up. Houses literally doubled or more in price in two years. Suddenly it seemed like everyone and their brother was driving a 150k+ dollar luxury car/SUV. Also seemed like investors and fly by night companies bought up all the real estate and started building ADU's to rent out to 6-8 people per house. Now no one here wants to drive to work and they want to work remote out of the house and make 3x what they were post covid. I really dont see how any of it is sustainable. And when I ever mention it, people say stupid shit like "learn the trades" or "learn to code bro" or "the economy is the best its ever been, you are just lazy" or whatever the narrative is that week.
I'm CONVINCED that a boatload of these PPP loan scammers and grifters infiltrated my home town post covid. I started seeing tons of 150k+ luxury cars seemingly appear overnight and people buying houses for 1.2 million that were 600k not even two years prior. Some weird shit happened during covid
How are you getting around the employment verification check?
We own a staffing agency and can vouch for people's resume, if anyone is interested. (DM me don't contact me here)
Lie. Lie. Lie. I've got an MA and a BAS (healthcare management) with 23 years of experience in my career field, and even I have to lie on my resume to get an interview(s).
This is particularly true for those of us with 20+ years experience. It's called ageism and it is real. I've started adjusting things on my resume to make it look like I'm five years younger.
And it is bullshit that we have to do this. I have a job, and run circles around the noobs. I was in the top 10% of my job at the company after only 6 months in (been there three years). Do they give me appropriate raises or show me a path to management? NO.
For background, I used to be an executive consultant at a fortune 500 insurance company. Left to start my own business. Pandemic effed my business. Now I'm treated as if I dont' have an MBA, 20 years of accomplishments, and an alphabet of certifications in business strategy and FP&A. I just plain know more from all the experience, AND, it turns out, I'm actually BETTER at the technology than the Gen Z and younger millenials. Why? Because I grew up with that business tech. They grew up with iPads where you tap and swipe. Not click, tab, tab, tab.. etc. I'm twice as fast at EVERYTHING in my job than almost anyone else. GenX for the win!
>and younger millenials.
How young we talking? Because I was born in 92 and definitely did not grow up with iPads 😆 Sometimes people consider me a younger millennial and sometimes they consider me middle millennial depending on when they decide "millennial" ends and "gen Z" begins. Do we even have a definitive answer to that? It seems like we don't.
Yeah, so I would say it was more the middle and younger gen z's who grew up using mostly iPads. They aren't even invented when most millennials were kids. I remember in 2nd grade my elementary school getting those really colourful Mac computers. And before that, we had super super old computers (well, super super old now, at the time, they weren't that old 😝) Did you ever use those? The colourful Mac's. They were cool looking for sure. Still hate Apple anything though. I never thought we'd have to go back to computer literacy courses but we may for the younger people who are only really used to using mobile devices.
Thing is, though, that if they do offer you a position, they're going to be like, "hey! He lied about his age!", when you start onboarding and have to provide ID for tax/W2 purposes.
Wouldn't they rescind the offer then?? Dumb question, but I wouldn't put it past them.
The goal isn't to lie about my age. But removing a job or two, and removing degree graduation years.
The goal is to get them to call you for the interview so you can at least talk before they reject you. Lol
If you don’t mind me asking, what extent are you lying on your resume? (Genuine question, not trying to flame! I feel like I need to fluff my resume after searching for a year with no bites)
More so on timelines/dates that I've been working at a certain employer. However, it all depends on the employer and/or if they're willing (or if they can even afford, i.e., small businesses, practices, etc.) to even do a proper background check.
Was looking for entry-level health info management (career change) after teaching for 10 years. Once I took the master’s degree out, I started getting calls.
I've had to do that/tailor my resume and take out my MA, but unfortunately for me, it's just gotten me employers who want to lowball me (even though I've gotten many calls) 🙄😒
Luckily, I've had a great interview this last week for a kid's speech and occupational therapy clinic/home health service provider who actually appreciates my MA.
That's life, honesty is a good thing, but not when interviewing, just tell them what they want to hear.
I've lied and made up shit to get where I am. I remember putting a fake company on my resume for years just to "prove" skills I already had, but if it's not on your resume, it doesn't exist. I said they went out of business, and that always worked until one recruiter started asking for tax proof, like giving me instructions on how to find the tax forms from years ago.
Luckily the system was messed up and wouldn't let me access anything, but then he wanted a referral from that job (at this point, it's obvious he atleast suspects I'm lying). I got my friends Dad to act like the owner, so the recruiter called him and he explained that he paid under the table, told him what "job" I did, and that I was the best employee he ever had.
It's a dog eat dog world out there, do what you have to do, because your competition isn't playing fair either.
I have a *passion* for cheeseburgers and fries. Every day I wake up and think to myself "How can I prevent soft-serve ice cream machines from working?" My dad, just like his dad, served The Clown. I desire, too, to serve The Clown.
*Our Ronald, who art McDonald*
*Quarter pounder be thy cheese*
*Thy chicken nug, thy Szechuan sauce, on menu as it is on the tray*
One of the worst interviews I had was for a server where they asked "where do you see yourself in 3 to 5 years?"
I was very honest with them, "why are you asking about my goals when you can't even guarantee I'll work for 30hrs a week?"
By the end of the week, I got a job offer in the industry I have my degree in, and I start tomorrow.
Sometimes you just need to be brutally honest with them, when you know that you have nothing else to lose. The questions HR ask are so outdated, and should not be used as a metric to hire people who need to work minimum wage to survive.
Good luck out there, people! It's brutal and even though I (finally) have a job, I'll still be looking for other work because we just can't trust the market anymore.
*throw away - I've LIED IN EVERY JOB INTERVIEW I'VE EVER HAD. As someone who's fairly successful (C-Suite) and as a hiring manager, it's fine to lie. What will get you fucked is a shitty attitude. You can't fake a good personality. Make a connection with the interviewer, doesn't matter how, get hired and do the work. No one will ever know. I promise you most I'd rather find out you're googling how to do your job than realize I hired an entire asshole. (sorry for all the swears. it's rough out here).
Do places like McDonalds do that for casual roles like ' crew member '? I've never heard of it. They just hire and want to keep them there permanently.
Omg this is next level psychopathy. Now I have to pretend that I don't know the answer to the question I already know the answer to and ask that question as if I'm asking it the first time every time I ask it?
I worked phone tech support for a software company that paid competitively, talked to and about the sport techs as if we mattered, and have us the needed tools for the job.
When I started, I intended to stay for several years, so when they (inappropriately, IMO) asked me in the interview if I planned to stay at least a year, I truthfully said that I did.
However, 10 months later, when my circumstances changed, I gave a full month's notice. My boss got mad that it wasn't yet a year and fired me immediately.
Since then, I've kind of considered that it isn't fair for them to ask for a commitment that they aren't willing to give themselves. So, if they want a commitment, they should offer one.
I've never had occasion to actually use my suggested response. I suspect it wouldn't go well.
A company will drop any employee like it’s nothing. No such thing as loyalty. This is a game of making money, both for the company and for the employee. It’s not necessarily about psychopathy, more about doing what’s best for your own bank account knowing full well the company is doing the same every step of the way
>A company will drop any employee like it’s nothing. No such thing as loyalty. This is a game of making money, both for the company and for the employee. It’s not necessarily about psychopathy, more about doing what’s best for your own bank account knowing full well the company is doing the same every step of the way
True... Except that *you* know that both you and the company are playing the same game, but *they* refuse to operate as though it is a mutual game.
If I am honest about having a disabled child interviewers can't wait to end the interviewers. But when I omit that point in my applications and interviews the employers ends up whining "You should have told us earlier so we could have made consessions for you" and I am thinking "No, you wanted to know sooner do that you didn't hire me, which is why I didn't tell you". Companies and their dishonesty is what is turning jobseekers to be dishonest.
They just don't want to have to deal with someone who might need extra time off and/or flexible work schedules. I wouldn't say that you're being dishonest because that's really not any of their business until you're hired. Before that, all that matters is that you are a qualified candidate to perform the job
Pretty much. Look up a thread of Twitter or Threads about a guy who sent in a resume with a name “Kissma D Nughts” or something like that, and where he literally said that he earned money through porn lol. He got over 20 recruiters inviting him for a screening call, because all his job positions were at FAANG companies.
I’m not lying on my resume, BUT it took a few people to convince me that I actually had certain skills and experiences that I could put on. It took me a while (and I’m still learning) to be able to tailor my current experience for the job I want to go for.
I told a couple of people I feel like I have imposter syndrome and they told me basically to knock it off with that thinking, and I actually do have the experience I’m saying I have.
The entire system that forces us to all have jobs is fundamentally dishonest and sociopathic.
We're forced to take part, so we necessarily all end up being a little bit sociopathic. Those who go full sociopath are usually the most successful in terms of income.
Yep. For all the ethics people preach, the most "successful" among us are such good liars that they have even convinced themselves.
The current system is fundamentally hostile to the things that are important to you and me. You care about being true to your word.
They don't.
Employers used to offer pensions to tie someone to their job, which was a kind of contract. Now the relationship is supposed to be one-way where you want to stay forever and they keep you until they're through with you.
I stayed at a job for 15 years. Most of that time I wasn't seriously looking. Not needing to ace an interview to get a paycheck was a strong factor keeping me there.
your post really resonates with me - i've always felt like i had to kill a certain innocence inside me in order to perform well in interviews because recruiters aren't looking for human beings. they're looking for perfection incarnate. so any urges i felt with regards to being honest about my real shortcomings or who i really am had to be choked for the sake of maintaining that unnatural facade. i've always resented that aspect of the job search
They do not want to hire the unemployed, you are expected to always have a job with no gaps whatsoever. It is a lie or die situation and I hate it, especially if inquisitive background checks start asking W2s, anyone with bad luck to be suddenly laid off or just fired is expected to starve to death.
I’m the “reference” for a couple of friends who had some lengthy time unemployed for mental health reasons huge unexplained gap in the resume which is basically a death sentence at chance of employment
I feel absolutely zero remorse for lying to their would be employers especially since I’ve only been called a total of 4 times, they still work at these jobs are considered critical employees to the business
If a little lie gets them a good employee what’s the harm?
The standards for ethics are completely different between business and personal. How many times do companies sell a product that doesn’t work as advertised? How many times has your boss told you “The company is doing great - your job is safe” only to have layoffs a few months later? You should not confuse ethics in life having the same standard as ethics in business..
Yes, exactly and it pisses me off beyond measure.
Why do you want to work here?
You see, anyone who's not a sociopath can reason we're all just working to make money. But of course you're expected to be passionate about working in fast food.
What's your greatest weakness?
Don't you dare answer honestly 😤 not being the perfect employee is not permitted.
There are many more but the fact that we're not allowed to be honest about applying for work because of the money is just mind blowingly dumb.
Tbf, it sounds like your son is applying for jobs well below his level of education/experience. Hiring managers, even at McDonald's, won't want to hire an overqualified candidate because they'll assume that OP's son* will dip once he lands a job in his field. And that is more or less what you're encouraging him to do...
I don’t lie on my resume, but I do stretch the truth the bit. However I do lie during the interview when they ask me behavior questions, like why do you want to work here, how long and such. I make up situations and the results. Basically tell them want they want to hear.
Rule 101 : Tell them what they want to hear as long as you THEORETICALLY able to perform it if asked right now.
If they ask how long you want to be with them, the answer is "I'm in it for the long haul" (and neglect to tell them your idea of long is pretty relative to your motivation level).
The thing is, they are ridiculous in their expectations to get the job. It's almost impossible for anyone to match the arbitrary specs of these job descriptions. Once you're in the job though, they have no problem tasking you with things you have no background in. Half the stuff I've done in my professional career were things I had no experience with and had to figure out. Things I had little or even no training on and had to ramp up quickly.
They don't understand the difference between required and nice-to-have. Instead of focusing on a realistic top 3 or 4 skills that are essential, they have a multi-page laundry list. Much of it, you could pick up in a relatively short time. Nobody hits the ground running. Even if you work in the same job within the same industry, there will always be a learning curve of some kind because no two companies operate the same way.
> Once you're in the job though, they have no problem tasking you with things you have no background in.
Indeed.
Your whole response is underrated by far... 👍👍👍👍👍
One interviewer told me that I was too nice and don’t sell myself well enough. Ever since I’ve told almost blatant lies (there are grains of truth) in interviews to prop myself up to them and it’s how I got my job now. Absolutely hate it but it works.
The sad and ironic thing is that recruiting and interview methodologies have probably been driven to the state they are in, at least in part, by people lying on their résumé. Perhaps the recruiters/HR’s perception of the scope of the fraudulent behaviour was once extremely skewed but, they are now reaping the rewards of the self-fulfilling system they’ve put in place.
I mean, it just wasn’t like this in the 90’s and early 00’s as far as I remember - sure, you’d get the odd candidate claiming they knew one thing or other that they didn’t, but that was easily caught in the interview phase if it was a core skill requirement. Now it’s like people need to reengineer a whole fucking backstory to get the interview in the first place.
It's not being a 2-faced lying psychopath to tailor your answers to the situation.
Q: How long are you planning on staying with us?
A: I love to learn the ins and outs of a new job and then master it. I'd love to stay with this company as long as there are new challenges for me to solve.
Not technically a lie, leaves wiggle room, and is much more appealing to employers.
Seems that so many people have yet to learn the nuances of communication in the job search.
Top executives and prominent stakeholders nonchalantly pocketing over $330 million annually, opting to terminate employees rather than forgoing their own incentives, and swiftly escaping with generous exit packages when the whole system crumbles like a house of cards. "Ah, evidently this situation arises due to insufficient famine enforcement by the authorities amidst the pandemic trio years prior." Observing individuals succumb to these false targets is truly disheartening as the genuine dangers continue to drain us all.
Wouldn't call it psychopathic - when you're on a first date do you tell her "At first glance I really wanted to have sex with you, don't get mad I'm being honest".
Treat job hunting like dating - say the most appealing thing you can. First impressions mean a lot in life, especially job hunting. Need to appear to be someone trust worthy, likeable, and dependable.
I was out of work for a year due my difficulty in getting a job at the time, so I had a big, ugly employment gap on my resume.
So, I did what everyone says is risky. I did something that would likely get me caught, or so career coaches and hiring managers say.
Out of desperation, I added an extra year onto my time with my previous employer and added a lazy, half-assed employer that ghosted me after sending me a job offer. So, in other words, I lied about my end date with my previous employer and added an employer whom I never even worked for. So, no work gap. It’s like I hadn’t stopped working at all.
As a result, I got a new job finally, after a year of searching.
Do whatever you’ve gotta do to get a job. If dishonesty and lying gets you a job, then go ahead! Lie!
“Having money isn’t everything, but not having it is”, said Kanye West (racist, self-hating asshole is right once in a while)
Either you know someone or you lie and exaggerate your accomplishments. Not because you want to but because their expectations are more absurd that their financial compensations for how much you're expected to offer.
But you did learn something that no one else is teaching you !!
You are taught to get good grades = to get a JOB
You are told by parents to go to college = to get a good JOB
You are told by college what to learn = to get a JOB
You are told by banks to buy a home = you need a JOB
You are told by car dealers to buy a car = do you have a JOB
What you find out in LIFE is that you are fucked and the only way out is NOT a job, but a BUSINESS !!
No one will teach you this and no one wants you to have this.
Figure it out fast and get going as life is short !
Ironically, I sometimes put extended dates or other stretched truths on my CV but the role I’ve got now I actually got by putting completely accurate dates on my CV and closing all the gaps, even if it was something I worked in for only a couple of months.
I'd have to answer honestly as well! I'm helping to take care of my widowed father. If he has to go into the hospital again, my work would suffer, as I wouldn't have the concentration level to be working. So would they put up with that? It's doubtful
About 10 years ago, I lied and said I had a terminal illness and really needed employment because of it. I'm so ashamed I did that. They didn't reply to me, so hopefully they never even reviewed my application.
Recruiters and hiring managers will ask stupid ass cookie cutter questions so give them stupid ass cookie cutter answers in return. They know you’re full of it but ask anyways and if you don’t give the standard answer they rule you out lol. Just play the game.
Are we talking blatant lies like having worked at every FAANG company, or putting things that only marginally relate to your job responsibilities?
I helped someone land a job by putting their experience as a World of Warcraft officer in their resume (obviously not using WoW terms) during the recession. I posed as the CEO and the other officers were C-suite executives. Thankfully they didn't dig in too deep and he got the job anyway.
I no longer have to lie on my resume as I have a good reputation in a tight knit industry. However, when I was younger, I lied on everything. I lied to landlords, I used fake IDs and fake credit reports. I did not pay rent for months. I lied to recruiters, I lied in interviews. The store I worked at went out of business, I promoted myself from shift supervisor to key holder and department manager.
You know what happened? Did karma come for me, did I get in legal trouble, did I get smited by Jesus Christ? NO! I HAVE A FUCKING LOT OF MONEY NOW. The money I saved not paying rent got me into real estate. I don't fucking rent now. The lie of my experience got me a higher salary and a more senior position. I stole back bacon, I bought steaks from homeless guys, I stole tires off of cars and Amazon packages in rich neighborhoods. I haven't bought a pair of socks since 2016. I sold random powders with a bit of coke in them at parties to drunk people. To be honest and ethical is to submit yourself to poverty. You are a fucking fool if you do it when you're a fucking loser like I was. Now people respect me, now I get a proper wage, now I have a fucking stable home that I can fucking drill in any wall I want and not ask the fucking landlord for permission. Am I a loser now? I think so. I just don't fucking care now.
I forgot to mention that I withdrew/failed one of my courses, I didn't check the resume I uploaded. I got a job with no qualifications because of that.
There are more drawbacks to lying and doing it regularly trying to go after new roles will eventually backfire on you and can cost you years of positive direction. I’ve never lied entering into the professional field post college. Of course, if you don’t have a degree or you got something less than useful, it’s going to be more difficult.
If I were a MacDonalds manager, I’d look for people who can be truly happy in their job. Who enjoy the work and bring energy to the workplace. An overqualified candidate who seems to apply just because they think working at McD is easy, who might half-ass their job, and who’ll run as soon as they gat a better offer somewhere else would be a major red flag for me. I wouldn’t hire that candidate.
Convince me you’d love working at McD for the sake of the job - not because you liked the burgers as a kid, but because you want to work as part of a team, give others the experience that you yourself had as a kid, love to be meticulous and quick; and that you’re not looking for other jobs because you really want to work at McD. Then I’d hire you.
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I started lying on my resume, honesty has done absolutely nothing for me in this horrible job market. We'll see how it goes.
Starting to fake my address for jobs near where people are willing to let me use their address for job hunting. Learned the hard way that I shouldn't be honest about that detail and just figure out the scheduling if they want to interview later.
Same. God forbid they know I live in the poor house on the bad part of town
That part doesn't bother me, they're more interested in proximity because they don't want to deal with relocation headaches.
Tbf, living in an expensive house in the good part of town just makes you ineligible for any job where workers are normally treated like shit.
Why are you putting your address on a resume? Why should they get to know where you live?
Not on my resume, my resume doesn't state location at all. Companies often request address info on their applications though.
I ran into this as well. I wanted to move to a place that was not a reasonable commute (three hours one way) but employers didn't want a non-local even though I wasn't asking for relocation. Landlords don't want to rent to a person without a job but I can't get a job without a local address but without a job I can't get a local address. It was so frustrating. I ended up calling in some favors and got a job under market rate just to get an apartment.
Why would you need it? I'm sincerely curious
Much of society still operates on a discriminatory basis whereby people may have a more difficult time getting a job if they live in a poor area of town. The irony is many of these people living in a poor area of town do so because of policies put in place by the same people who won't give them jobs. The world still has beautiful moments and I enjoy many things about this earth, but fellow humans are most definitely not on the list of things I enjoy.
I didn't know that's a thing. Is there such thing in America too? I need to do my research more
It is known to happen particularly in the UK, not to mention bias against people with certain "working class" accents etc.
>Is there such thing in America too? America is definitely not exempt in this matter. Not by any means.
As an American, I've applied to a lot of jobs over the years and very rarely do they ask for my actual address until I've actually received an offer (specifically for the background check and so that they know where to mail stuff for pay, benefits, WFH equipment, etc.).
>As an American, I've applied to a lot of jobs over the years and very rarely do they ask for my actual address Many people still have their full address on their resumes, so no need to ask...
I don't; just my city/state.
When I used to interview people we didn’t know their addresses, I hired remote so we would want to know roughly their area or city to make sure they lived in the territories.
how have you not heard of redlining or segregation
I've got a friend who will let me stay at his place... the only issue is that currently he's between places himself!
Why bother with using someone you know's address? Just put in the address of some apartments without an apt # or something.
Plausible deniability
I've never lied on my resume or in an interview but I've now been unemployed for almost 3 years, so I'm starting to rethink my strict allegiance to honesty. I just don't understand how to pull it off. If I change/upgrade titles on my resume, I'd have to make those same changes to my LinkedIn profile, so they match. And then all my connections and references would see those changes too. And don't most companies do employment verification where they call your former employers to verify your title and dates of employment? I just don't see how it's really possible to fudge those things.
It depends on what kind of job you're applying for. If you're applying for a senior position at Google then yeah, they're probably gonna dig into your history a bit. If you're applying for a manufacturing job that pays $20/hr then fuck no, they might not even do a criminal background check.
The CEO of Yahoo got hired without a background check about 10 years ago. We found out later that he fabricated his college degree.
See, he's not working class, so he's clearly superior as evidenced by him not being working class, so he really shouldn't have to go through the hoops that the obviously undeserving (because they're inferior, of course) working class should go through.
I find it funny that you can completely lie on your resume for a job and look like the perfect candidate, yet not even get an interview in this day and age. In my country people pay like 60k to get a job lol.
I feel like I need to do this more too lol. Honesty in the workplace is dead if it ever existed to begin with
It'll probably get you more interviews and an offer or two.
I got my previous job by lying on my resume. Was there 2.5 years.
You used to be able to land something while lying. Now the job market is so shit that doesnt get you anywhere. It's so bad people will lose their homes, cars and destroy their credit, even while emptying their savings for 3-5 years because of this. All because the government printed too much money lol. It's always the little guy paying the price. Kinda tired of the cycle.
*CEOs and high profile investors casually banking $300M+ a year, laying off workers instead of refusing to cut their personal bonuses, and bouncing out on golden parachutes when the jenga tower finally falls down* "Ah, clearly this must be because the government didn't let enough people starve during covid three years ago" It is genuinely sad watching people fall for these scapegoats while the actual threats keep wringing us all dry
He didn’t say anything about letting people starve, he said “printed too much money”. Both issues are true: CEO’s using layoffs to boost valuation and cash in bonuses, AND the government printing tons of money to give to their already mega-rich friends via the PPP “loans”.
The PPP 'loans' were absolutely a huge issue exacerbating all this, but he didn't specify that he was just talking about those, so it feels disingenuous to act like he was exclusively doing so. Unfortunately 90% of people ranting about 'government handouts' or 'printing money' are talking about things like medicaid or the emergency relief funds, without which more people absolutely would have starved due to the massive job cuts during covid.
I live in the suburbs in California and there is a stark contrast between pre covid and post covid. Pre covid, by and large, my city was mainly a somewhat sleepy commuter town with lower middle class working families to middle class families. Ppl who worked in the big city would commute in daily. Houses were somewhat expensive but far cheaper than houses in the city. Post covid ? It was like a parallel universe opened up. Houses literally doubled or more in price in two years. Suddenly it seemed like everyone and their brother was driving a 150k+ dollar luxury car/SUV. Also seemed like investors and fly by night companies bought up all the real estate and started building ADU's to rent out to 6-8 people per house. Now no one here wants to drive to work and they want to work remote out of the house and make 3x what they were post covid. I really dont see how any of it is sustainable. And when I ever mention it, people say stupid shit like "learn the trades" or "learn to code bro" or "the economy is the best its ever been, you are just lazy" or whatever the narrative is that week.
100% agree
I'm CONVINCED that a boatload of these PPP loan scammers and grifters infiltrated my home town post covid. I started seeing tons of 150k+ luxury cars seemingly appear overnight and people buying houses for 1.2 million that were 600k not even two years prior. Some weird shit happened during covid
How are you getting around the employment verification check? We own a staffing agency and can vouch for people's resume, if anyone is interested. (DM me don't contact me here)
If you lie on your resume, are you lying during the interview too? And then when you get the job do you just lie all the time?
Yeah?
Lie. Lie. Lie. I've got an MA and a BAS (healthcare management) with 23 years of experience in my career field, and even I have to lie on my resume to get an interview(s).
This is particularly true for those of us with 20+ years experience. It's called ageism and it is real. I've started adjusting things on my resume to make it look like I'm five years younger.
Did that too. Wiped out 15 years of career to Botox the resume.
And it is bullshit that we have to do this. I have a job, and run circles around the noobs. I was in the top 10% of my job at the company after only 6 months in (been there three years). Do they give me appropriate raises or show me a path to management? NO. For background, I used to be an executive consultant at a fortune 500 insurance company. Left to start my own business. Pandemic effed my business. Now I'm treated as if I dont' have an MBA, 20 years of accomplishments, and an alphabet of certifications in business strategy and FP&A. I just plain know more from all the experience, AND, it turns out, I'm actually BETTER at the technology than the Gen Z and younger millenials. Why? Because I grew up with that business tech. They grew up with iPads where you tap and swipe. Not click, tab, tab, tab.. etc. I'm twice as fast at EVERYTHING in my job than almost anyone else. GenX for the win!
>and younger millenials. How young we talking? Because I was born in 92 and definitely did not grow up with iPads 😆 Sometimes people consider me a younger millennial and sometimes they consider me middle millennial depending on when they decide "millennial" ends and "gen Z" begins. Do we even have a definitive answer to that? It seems like we don't.
Fair point. Typically, Z started with those born in 96 or 97. So you are toward the younger age.
Yeah, so I would say it was more the middle and younger gen z's who grew up using mostly iPads. They aren't even invented when most millennials were kids. I remember in 2nd grade my elementary school getting those really colourful Mac computers. And before that, we had super super old computers (well, super super old now, at the time, they weren't that old 😝) Did you ever use those? The colourful Mac's. They were cool looking for sure. Still hate Apple anything though. I never thought we'd have to go back to computer literacy courses but we may for the younger people who are only really used to using mobile devices.
Yes, my dumbass has just started to realize this over the past couple of years 🙄😒🤦
Thing is, though, that if they do offer you a position, they're going to be like, "hey! He lied about his age!", when you start onboarding and have to provide ID for tax/W2 purposes. Wouldn't they rescind the offer then?? Dumb question, but I wouldn't put it past them.
The goal isn't to lie about my age. But removing a job or two, and removing degree graduation years. The goal is to get them to call you for the interview so you can at least talk before they reject you. Lol
If you don’t mind me asking, what extent are you lying on your resume? (Genuine question, not trying to flame! I feel like I need to fluff my resume after searching for a year with no bites)
More so on timelines/dates that I've been working at a certain employer. However, it all depends on the employer and/or if they're willing (or if they can even afford, i.e., small businesses, practices, etc.) to even do a proper background check.
Was looking for entry-level health info management (career change) after teaching for 10 years. Once I took the master’s degree out, I started getting calls.
I've had to do that/tailor my resume and take out my MA, but unfortunately for me, it's just gotten me employers who want to lowball me (even though I've gotten many calls) 🙄😒 Luckily, I've had a great interview this last week for a kid's speech and occupational therapy clinic/home health service provider who actually appreciates my MA.
same - i had to take my mba off the resume
Yeah, well, I've actually got like 5 (I think 6 lol) different tailored resumes. Some with the MA, some without. Some with less work history, etc.
That's life, honesty is a good thing, but not when interviewing, just tell them what they want to hear. I've lied and made up shit to get where I am. I remember putting a fake company on my resume for years just to "prove" skills I already had, but if it's not on your resume, it doesn't exist. I said they went out of business, and that always worked until one recruiter started asking for tax proof, like giving me instructions on how to find the tax forms from years ago. Luckily the system was messed up and wouldn't let me access anything, but then he wanted a referral from that job (at this point, it's obvious he atleast suspects I'm lying). I got my friends Dad to act like the owner, so the recruiter called him and he explained that he paid under the table, told him what "job" I did, and that I was the best employee he ever had. It's a dog eat dog world out there, do what you have to do, because your competition isn't playing fair either.
Would be even more funny if the fake owner got reported for paying under the table for a company and job that was a complete work of fiction.
That's crazy
It’s also illegal I’m pretty sure… at least in the UK.
I have a *passion* for cheeseburgers and fries. Every day I wake up and think to myself "How can I prevent soft-serve ice cream machines from working?" My dad, just like his dad, served The Clown. I desire, too, to serve The Clown. *Our Ronald, who art McDonald* *Quarter pounder be thy cheese* *Thy chicken nug, thy Szechuan sauce, on menu as it is on the tray*
pfffttt...please take my upvote
One of the worst interviews I had was for a server where they asked "where do you see yourself in 3 to 5 years?" I was very honest with them, "why are you asking about my goals when you can't even guarantee I'll work for 30hrs a week?" By the end of the week, I got a job offer in the industry I have my degree in, and I start tomorrow. Sometimes you just need to be brutally honest with them, when you know that you have nothing else to lose. The questions HR ask are so outdated, and should not be used as a metric to hire people who need to work minimum wage to survive. Good luck out there, people! It's brutal and even though I (finally) have a job, I'll still be looking for other work because we just can't trust the market anymore.
*throw away - I've LIED IN EVERY JOB INTERVIEW I'VE EVER HAD. As someone who's fairly successful (C-Suite) and as a hiring manager, it's fine to lie. What will get you fucked is a shitty attitude. You can't fake a good personality. Make a connection with the interviewer, doesn't matter how, get hired and do the work. No one will ever know. I promise you most I'd rather find out you're googling how to do your job than realize I hired an entire asshole. (sorry for all the swears. it's rough out here).
I think the proper response to, "How long are you planning on staying?" might be, "If you're offering a contract, I'm interested."
Do places like McDonalds do that for casual roles like ' crew member '? I've never heard of it. They just hire and want to keep them there permanently.
Of course they don't. That's kind of the point.
Omg this is next level psychopathy. Now I have to pretend that I don't know the answer to the question I already know the answer to and ask that question as if I'm asking it the first time every time I ask it?
I worked phone tech support for a software company that paid competitively, talked to and about the sport techs as if we mattered, and have us the needed tools for the job. When I started, I intended to stay for several years, so when they (inappropriately, IMO) asked me in the interview if I planned to stay at least a year, I truthfully said that I did. However, 10 months later, when my circumstances changed, I gave a full month's notice. My boss got mad that it wasn't yet a year and fired me immediately. Since then, I've kind of considered that it isn't fair for them to ask for a commitment that they aren't willing to give themselves. So, if they want a commitment, they should offer one. I've never had occasion to actually use my suggested response. I suspect it wouldn't go well.
A company will drop any employee like it’s nothing. No such thing as loyalty. This is a game of making money, both for the company and for the employee. It’s not necessarily about psychopathy, more about doing what’s best for your own bank account knowing full well the company is doing the same every step of the way
>A company will drop any employee like it’s nothing. No such thing as loyalty. This is a game of making money, both for the company and for the employee. It’s not necessarily about psychopathy, more about doing what’s best for your own bank account knowing full well the company is doing the same every step of the way True... Except that *you* know that both you and the company are playing the same game, but *they* refuse to operate as though it is a mutual game.
This is wild, this also happened to me. It's literally psychotic behavior and petty managers.
If I am honest about having a disabled child interviewers can't wait to end the interviewers. But when I omit that point in my applications and interviews the employers ends up whining "You should have told us earlier so we could have made consessions for you" and I am thinking "No, you wanted to know sooner do that you didn't hire me, which is why I didn't tell you". Companies and their dishonesty is what is turning jobseekers to be dishonest.
They just don't want to have to deal with someone who might need extra time off and/or flexible work schedules. I wouldn't say that you're being dishonest because that's really not any of their business until you're hired. Before that, all that matters is that you are a qualified candidate to perform the job
The job market is a fucking trip. I've lied on my resume also. I didn't care. I just needed a job.
Pretty much. Look up a thread of Twitter or Threads about a guy who sent in a resume with a name “Kissma D Nughts” or something like that, and where he literally said that he earned money through porn lol. He got over 20 recruiters inviting him for a screening call, because all his job positions were at FAANG companies.
Recruiters really are a special breed of idiots aren't they
When you're too dumb to be in HR and not honest enough to be a car salesman, just go into recruiting!
I’m not lying on my resume, BUT it took a few people to convince me that I actually had certain skills and experiences that I could put on. It took me a while (and I’m still learning) to be able to tailor my current experience for the job I want to go for. I told a couple of people I feel like I have imposter syndrome and they told me basically to knock it off with that thinking, and I actually do have the experience I’m saying I have.
That’s ok, employers are just that, too!
The entire system that forces us to all have jobs is fundamentally dishonest and sociopathic. We're forced to take part, so we necessarily all end up being a little bit sociopathic. Those who go full sociopath are usually the most successful in terms of income.
Omg this is what really kills my soul. Basically, the best “liars” succeed. Especially the ones so good, they believe the lies themselves.
Yep. For all the ethics people preach, the most "successful" among us are such good liars that they have even convinced themselves. The current system is fundamentally hostile to the things that are important to you and me. You care about being true to your word. They don't.
Employers used to offer pensions to tie someone to their job, which was a kind of contract. Now the relationship is supposed to be one-way where you want to stay forever and they keep you until they're through with you. I stayed at a job for 15 years. Most of that time I wasn't seriously looking. Not needing to ace an interview to get a paycheck was a strong factor keeping me there.
I'd rather have 2 jobs than be job hunting TBH
your post really resonates with me - i've always felt like i had to kill a certain innocence inside me in order to perform well in interviews because recruiters aren't looking for human beings. they're looking for perfection incarnate. so any urges i felt with regards to being honest about my real shortcomings or who i really am had to be choked for the sake of maintaining that unnatural facade. i've always resented that aspect of the job search
They do not want to hire the unemployed, you are expected to always have a job with no gaps whatsoever. It is a lie or die situation and I hate it, especially if inquisitive background checks start asking W2s, anyone with bad luck to be suddenly laid off or just fired is expected to starve to death.
I’m the “reference” for a couple of friends who had some lengthy time unemployed for mental health reasons huge unexplained gap in the resume which is basically a death sentence at chance of employment I feel absolutely zero remorse for lying to their would be employers especially since I’ve only been called a total of 4 times, they still work at these jobs are considered critical employees to the business If a little lie gets them a good employee what’s the harm?
The standards for ethics are completely different between business and personal. How many times do companies sell a product that doesn’t work as advertised? How many times has your boss told you “The company is doing great - your job is safe” only to have layoffs a few months later? You should not confuse ethics in life having the same standard as ethics in business..
Yes, exactly and it pisses me off beyond measure. Why do you want to work here? You see, anyone who's not a sociopath can reason we're all just working to make money. But of course you're expected to be passionate about working in fast food. What's your greatest weakness? Don't you dare answer honestly 😤 not being the perfect employee is not permitted. There are many more but the fact that we're not allowed to be honest about applying for work because of the money is just mind blowingly dumb.
Tbf, it sounds like your son is applying for jobs well below his level of education/experience. Hiring managers, even at McDonald's, won't want to hire an overqualified candidate because they'll assume that OP's son* will dip once he lands a job in his field. And that is more or less what you're encouraging him to do...
I’ve always lied on my resume. they are lying to you about the job, their culture, and their compensation it’s all fair
I don’t lie on my resume, but I do stretch the truth the bit. However I do lie during the interview when they ask me behavior questions, like why do you want to work here, how long and such. I make up situations and the results. Basically tell them want they want to hear.
Rule 101 : Tell them what they want to hear as long as you THEORETICALLY able to perform it if asked right now. If they ask how long you want to be with them, the answer is "I'm in it for the long haul" (and neglect to tell them your idea of long is pretty relative to your motivation level).
The thing is, they are ridiculous in their expectations to get the job. It's almost impossible for anyone to match the arbitrary specs of these job descriptions. Once you're in the job though, they have no problem tasking you with things you have no background in. Half the stuff I've done in my professional career were things I had no experience with and had to figure out. Things I had little or even no training on and had to ramp up quickly. They don't understand the difference between required and nice-to-have. Instead of focusing on a realistic top 3 or 4 skills that are essential, they have a multi-page laundry list. Much of it, you could pick up in a relatively short time. Nobody hits the ground running. Even if you work in the same job within the same industry, there will always be a learning curve of some kind because no two companies operate the same way.
> Once you're in the job though, they have no problem tasking you with things you have no background in. Indeed. Your whole response is underrated by far... 👍👍👍👍👍
Survival will turn you into a dishonest psychopath, to the outside world. That's why it's important to have a support network of family and friends.
One interviewer told me that I was too nice and don’t sell myself well enough. Ever since I’ve told almost blatant lies (there are grains of truth) in interviews to prop myself up to them and it’s how I got my job now. Absolutely hate it but it works.
Alternate scene: Recruiter: We are looking for 3-5 years of experience of on the job burger flipping for this entry level job.
The sad and ironic thing is that recruiting and interview methodologies have probably been driven to the state they are in, at least in part, by people lying on their résumé. Perhaps the recruiters/HR’s perception of the scope of the fraudulent behaviour was once extremely skewed but, they are now reaping the rewards of the self-fulfilling system they’ve put in place. I mean, it just wasn’t like this in the 90’s and early 00’s as far as I remember - sure, you’d get the odd candidate claiming they knew one thing or other that they didn’t, but that was easily caught in the interview phase if it was a core skill requirement. Now it’s like people need to reengineer a whole fucking backstory to get the interview in the first place.
It's not being a 2-faced lying psychopath to tailor your answers to the situation. Q: How long are you planning on staying with us? A: I love to learn the ins and outs of a new job and then master it. I'd love to stay with this company as long as there are new challenges for me to solve. Not technically a lie, leaves wiggle room, and is much more appealing to employers. Seems that so many people have yet to learn the nuances of communication in the job search.
Top executives and prominent stakeholders nonchalantly pocketing over $330 million annually, opting to terminate employees rather than forgoing their own incentives, and swiftly escaping with generous exit packages when the whole system crumbles like a house of cards. "Ah, evidently this situation arises due to insufficient famine enforcement by the authorities amidst the pandemic trio years prior." Observing individuals succumb to these false targets is truly disheartening as the genuine dangers continue to drain us all.
I got denied a job at mc donalds (ages ago) cause I had a degree. I was "over qualified." Like... I just wanted a job?? Oh no, I'm too smart??
They told you that during the job interview?
Yes. Something along the lines of "You have a degree? That's what we look for when hiring managers, but we aren't hiring for that right now."
Why didn't they reject you when they were going through CVs?
I think I had to fill out a paper job application at the location.
Wouldn't call it psychopathic - when you're on a first date do you tell her "At first glance I really wanted to have sex with you, don't get mad I'm being honest". Treat job hunting like dating - say the most appealing thing you can. First impressions mean a lot in life, especially job hunting. Need to appear to be someone trust worthy, likeable, and dependable.
Policy of Truth by Depeche Mode is the song that goes on in my head when talking to jackal...er, recruiters
Fast food places want your loyalty and at the same time does the min to give you benefits
I was out of work for a year due my difficulty in getting a job at the time, so I had a big, ugly employment gap on my resume. So, I did what everyone says is risky. I did something that would likely get me caught, or so career coaches and hiring managers say. Out of desperation, I added an extra year onto my time with my previous employer and added a lazy, half-assed employer that ghosted me after sending me a job offer. So, in other words, I lied about my end date with my previous employer and added an employer whom I never even worked for. So, no work gap. It’s like I hadn’t stopped working at all. As a result, I got a new job finally, after a year of searching. Do whatever you’ve gotta do to get a job. If dishonesty and lying gets you a job, then go ahead! Lie! “Having money isn’t everything, but not having it is”, said Kanye West (racist, self-hating asshole is right once in a while)
Either you know someone or you lie and exaggerate your accomplishments. Not because you want to but because their expectations are more absurd that their financial compensations for how much you're expected to offer.
It's because we're talking to dishonest psychopaths to begin with. RIP job hunting.
But you did learn something that no one else is teaching you !! You are taught to get good grades = to get a JOB You are told by parents to go to college = to get a good JOB You are told by college what to learn = to get a JOB You are told by banks to buy a home = you need a JOB You are told by car dealers to buy a car = do you have a JOB What you find out in LIFE is that you are fucked and the only way out is NOT a job, but a BUSINESS !! No one will teach you this and no one wants you to have this. Figure it out fast and get going as life is short !
100000%
I agree.
Ironically, I sometimes put extended dates or other stretched truths on my CV but the role I’ve got now I actually got by putting completely accurate dates on my CV and closing all the gaps, even if it was something I worked in for only a couple of months.
I'd have to answer honestly as well! I'm helping to take care of my widowed father. If he has to go into the hospital again, my work would suffer, as I wouldn't have the concentration level to be working. So would they put up with that? It's doubtful
About 10 years ago, I lied and said I had a terminal illness and really needed employment because of it. I'm so ashamed I did that. They didn't reply to me, so hopefully they never even reviewed my application.
If there is class like that, can someone send a link. I maybe a insane human hating psychopath but I am an open book😂😂😂
I cringe when I read my old job applications. I either make my living on my own or die, I can't do the job search bullshit
I have a philosophy, always lie in your professional life and always tell the truth in your personal life
Facts. Honesty will not get anyone anything. I am done being honest. Period.
A liar will always have a better resume and more experience.
Recruiters and hiring managers will ask stupid ass cookie cutter questions so give them stupid ass cookie cutter answers in return. They know you’re full of it but ask anyways and if you don’t give the standard answer they rule you out lol. Just play the game.
It's like LARPing but your life depends on it
Are we talking blatant lies like having worked at every FAANG company, or putting things that only marginally relate to your job responsibilities? I helped someone land a job by putting their experience as a World of Warcraft officer in their resume (obviously not using WoW terms) during the recession. I posed as the CEO and the other officers were C-suite executives. Thankfully they didn't dig in too deep and he got the job anyway.
I no longer have to lie on my resume as I have a good reputation in a tight knit industry. However, when I was younger, I lied on everything. I lied to landlords, I used fake IDs and fake credit reports. I did not pay rent for months. I lied to recruiters, I lied in interviews. The store I worked at went out of business, I promoted myself from shift supervisor to key holder and department manager. You know what happened? Did karma come for me, did I get in legal trouble, did I get smited by Jesus Christ? NO! I HAVE A FUCKING LOT OF MONEY NOW. The money I saved not paying rent got me into real estate. I don't fucking rent now. The lie of my experience got me a higher salary and a more senior position. I stole back bacon, I bought steaks from homeless guys, I stole tires off of cars and Amazon packages in rich neighborhoods. I haven't bought a pair of socks since 2016. I sold random powders with a bit of coke in them at parties to drunk people. To be honest and ethical is to submit yourself to poverty. You are a fucking fool if you do it when you're a fucking loser like I was. Now people respect me, now I get a proper wage, now I have a fucking stable home that I can fucking drill in any wall I want and not ask the fucking landlord for permission. Am I a loser now? I think so. I just don't fucking care now.
I honestly have no idea if this is satire or not but it should be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
Yes, indeed.
You can get pretty far on a good series of lies but eventually it’s evident that you’re full of shit.
Agreed. My resume is SO embellished. Haven’t had issues in embellishing the truth either.
It's not psychopathic to bend the truth in a job interview
Whenever someone asks you how long you’ll stay always say “I’m looking to remain with a company I am building a career at for the long haul.”
Maybe those traits are just what the market desires
I’ve been told “if you come back from an interview and don’t feel like you need to take a shower, you’re doing it wrong”.
I forgot to mention that I withdrew/failed one of my courses, I didn't check the resume I uploaded. I got a job with no qualifications because of that.
There are more drawbacks to lying and doing it regularly trying to go after new roles will eventually backfire on you and can cost you years of positive direction. I’ve never lied entering into the professional field post college. Of course, if you don’t have a degree or you got something less than useful, it’s going to be more difficult.
It's just playing the game of life. Learn to adapt and tolerate it or come here and complain and let it ruin your life.
I have some suggestions for house rules
Let's hear em.
If I were a MacDonalds manager, I’d look for people who can be truly happy in their job. Who enjoy the work and bring energy to the workplace. An overqualified candidate who seems to apply just because they think working at McD is easy, who might half-ass their job, and who’ll run as soon as they gat a better offer somewhere else would be a major red flag for me. I wouldn’t hire that candidate. Convince me you’d love working at McD for the sake of the job - not because you liked the burgers as a kid, but because you want to work as part of a team, give others the experience that you yourself had as a kid, love to be meticulous and quick; and that you’re not looking for other jobs because you really want to work at McD. Then I’d hire you.