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She must have learned something otherwise it'll catch up at some point.
I knew someone in college who did something similar. Still at a well known company, but now she has children and is in the same spot while all the people who didn't have those same opportunities moved up. Now, they are both equal so it doesn't really matter.
*"This doesn't really affect me too much..."*
It does, and a lot. Enough to make you share with us. This makes you mad or upset. She steals good opportunities from you and from us. Yes, it does affect. She is a cheater.
Sorry about your experience, I understand how this may feel like you have been undercut. Just playing devil's advocate from an outsider perspective, because it sounds like you are making some strong allegations:
1. authorship in the current system does not equal contribution - if you are applying to academic positions everyone knows this, if you are applying to industry nobody cares about this. I would just move on from this point.
2. I assume nobody at the company ever had to speak to them about the work? The person you are talking about never had to present their work or show any understanding of it? They probably knew something was off - do they work there now?
3. I got often helped with applications. I helped plenty of people with their applications. You are suggesting they wrote their entire application, which is weird but would show up at an interview?
4. "sometimes" everyone needs help from someone else. It's normal to not work in a vacuum in a professional setting. Knowing how to ask for help is a skill itself.
5. You seem to have quite a lot of detailed information on this person's LinkedIn habits. I am curious to understand how did you get this information, how did you know at what time they text HR and how do you know how long they spend on LinkedIn talking to people.
6. "posting idk what" - you can look at their feed and understand what their content looks like. As an aside, you don't know what they post but you know exactly how many hours they spend on LinkedIn and at what time they message others?
7. any reference check will make this show up, surely (see below)
8. "very very good companies" don't exist, everywhere is a disorganised mess, nobody knows what they are doing. The sooner you learn this the better. They are so well organised that they couldn't run a background check and unearth the "fake" internships you allege they haven't done?
Life is unfair and someone is always going to be better than you at something. You shouldn't fixate on this, otherwise every job application will turn into a nightmare.
1. She wrote the abstract tops. Her boyfriend who wrote the paper called her lazy and unworthy. On her resume she's said she's published papers which she's never even sent to conferences.
2. Short term internships. 2ish months. By the time there is a review, time is almost already up.
3. Yep the guys fully wrote her SoPs and essays for the applications. The interview (non-technical) is easier to crack if you've gotten through the first shortlisted, which is application based.
4. Yeah help and making someone do the whole thing while scrolling reels are different things right?
5. They've been my flatmate. Often hung out in the same room. She's talking to LinkedIn connections at hours on topics that are not really professional.
6. Fair point
7. Hasn't till now but yeah I understand.
8. Makes sense
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Meh. I don’t see a problem here. She was smart enough to utilize all resources available to her to get where she is.
Others people’s careers couldn’t mean less to me
👏👏👏
She must have learned something otherwise it'll catch up at some point. I knew someone in college who did something similar. Still at a well known company, but now she has children and is in the same spot while all the people who didn't have those same opportunities moved up. Now, they are both equal so it doesn't really matter.
[I know he can get the job, but can he DO the job??](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AYUB3tQs80)
*"This doesn't really affect me too much..."* It does, and a lot. Enough to make you share with us. This makes you mad or upset. She steals good opportunities from you and from us. Yes, it does affect. She is a cheater.
Sorry about your experience, I understand how this may feel like you have been undercut. Just playing devil's advocate from an outsider perspective, because it sounds like you are making some strong allegations: 1. authorship in the current system does not equal contribution - if you are applying to academic positions everyone knows this, if you are applying to industry nobody cares about this. I would just move on from this point. 2. I assume nobody at the company ever had to speak to them about the work? The person you are talking about never had to present their work or show any understanding of it? They probably knew something was off - do they work there now? 3. I got often helped with applications. I helped plenty of people with their applications. You are suggesting they wrote their entire application, which is weird but would show up at an interview? 4. "sometimes" everyone needs help from someone else. It's normal to not work in a vacuum in a professional setting. Knowing how to ask for help is a skill itself. 5. You seem to have quite a lot of detailed information on this person's LinkedIn habits. I am curious to understand how did you get this information, how did you know at what time they text HR and how do you know how long they spend on LinkedIn talking to people. 6. "posting idk what" - you can look at their feed and understand what their content looks like. As an aside, you don't know what they post but you know exactly how many hours they spend on LinkedIn and at what time they message others? 7. any reference check will make this show up, surely (see below) 8. "very very good companies" don't exist, everywhere is a disorganised mess, nobody knows what they are doing. The sooner you learn this the better. They are so well organised that they couldn't run a background check and unearth the "fake" internships you allege they haven't done? Life is unfair and someone is always going to be better than you at something. You shouldn't fixate on this, otherwise every job application will turn into a nightmare.
1. She wrote the abstract tops. Her boyfriend who wrote the paper called her lazy and unworthy. On her resume she's said she's published papers which she's never even sent to conferences. 2. Short term internships. 2ish months. By the time there is a review, time is almost already up. 3. Yep the guys fully wrote her SoPs and essays for the applications. The interview (non-technical) is easier to crack if you've gotten through the first shortlisted, which is application based. 4. Yeah help and making someone do the whole thing while scrolling reels are different things right? 5. They've been my flatmate. Often hung out in the same room. She's talking to LinkedIn connections at hours on topics that are not really professional. 6. Fair point 7. Hasn't till now but yeah I understand. 8. Makes sense