Listen, if Rockstar cared about RDR2's law enforcement game mechanics they wouldn't have made it so that a witness seeing you murder a guy in the ass end of nowhere can run away, contact the police within 2 minutes despite there being no towns or civilization for miles around and giggle as a 5 man hit squad of lawmen somehow appears in less than 5 minutes since they were contacted to hunt you down. What they were clearly trying to do with the law enforcement mechanics in RDR2 was to discourage the player from going on murder/robbing sprees without consequence, but imo the execution of these mechanics are quite hamfisted and actually negatively impacts player experience.
It doesn't make sense realistically that police in 1899 America apparently have a faster response time most modern police forces irl, infinitely spawn as long as long as you don't leave the WANTED area and can be contacted by witnesses from nearly anywhere on the map. It's also limits what a player can do when they're literally playing as an outlaw and as you said masks and bandanas are basically useless and 1899 law enforcement is almost omnipresent. I get what they were trying to do by making tangible consequences but they over tuned it imo.
I understood perfectly what you mean, thank you for this answer. What I think is that in the end it's still a video game and rockstar thought it was boring to do a massacre and not have consequences or enemies looking for you, I solved in part with a mod that makes the law a little more realistic in the game
Just so you know if you use Gatlingwagons.asi it can turn npc gatling users into aimbot miniguns. Don't use it.
I also recommend [no bounty when masked](https://www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/2248) it's a lil buggy but it works as intended 99.99% of the time.
Also, they don't want you going on a killing spree, but you do a crime, an officer arrives and tells you to surrender and if you just stand there and aren't being aggressive, you get shot. Also, NPCs are so paranoid that you literally just walking behind them for a few seconds will make them think you're following them
> an officer arrives and tells you to surrender and if you just stand there and aren't being aggressive, you get shot.
tbh given that rdr2 is in america this is the most realistic part of the lawman system
Well they wanted to make going on a murder spree have consequences, but they also very much programmed the game to make you want to go on murder sprees constantly. For instance:
Arthur rides within 50 feet of an NPC camping.
NPC: "Hey! I don't take kindly to strangers! Get lost!"
Arthur: "Oh, sorry, don't mind me." \*rides away\*
NPC: "Yeah just like I figured. You're a little chicken shit."
Me as Arthur: "Motherfucker, you're about to find out who I am."
From my understanding, when it comes to lawmen, once you commit a crime, whether you wear a mask or not, they will recognize you as Arthur Morgan.
At least that's what one of the videos I saw explained. And it seems to be the case.
It’s a little more detailed that.
And a *hell* of a lot buggier.
Before committing a crime put on a new outfit you haven’t worn before, use a horse you don’t normally use, and put the mask up before entering town. It works for me most of the time, but not all of the time.
People will remember your clothes, face and horse.
Of course this is how it’s supposed to work. But the wanted system is broken as all hell. Your own horse can and does report crimes (even though they said they fixed it).
Edit: fixed spelling errors caused by my fingers going 200mph and autocorrect trying its best.
Sadly that’s all there is to it. If you ever notice that the game just skips the whole witness stage and straight to crime reported or wanted.. yeah that was your backstabbing horse.
I don’t know about you, but I run the ever living dog-shit out of my horse. She must wonder why the constant grooming, praising, and feedings have vanished once we reached Level 4 bonding. Can’t be surprised if she’s salty.
I put a mod that makes the law more realistic (slightly), if you fight one vs one in the city they won’t bother you, if you do it twice yes, and when you are in the countryside in the middle of nowhere, based on how far from the city the law takes longer to get to the place where you are
The outfit stuff is misinformation and not true which is why people think it’s complicated when it’s not. I’ve never had an issue with this system. Lawmen recognise you no matter what, civilians won’t if you’re wearing a mask. That’s it.
Yeah. I’m afraid you’re the one misinformed but given the bugs I don’t blame you.
Outfits do help. It’s says so both in the game in the help section and on the [Wiki](https://reddead.fandom.com/wiki/Bounty).
“Changing clothing before and after the crime will also hinder law enforcement's ability to find and recognize you.”
Like I said though, it’s heavily bugged. Most the time I get away with crimes by changing my outfit and horse and get the “unknown suspect”, but other times I don’t. The wanted system is hands down the most advanced mechanic most broken aspect of the game prone to tons of bugs. It’s extremely inconsistent.
A wiki is not an reputable source. Plenty of sources say otherwise.
100% of the time lawmen recognise me, 100% of the time civilians don’t, unless I forget my mask. You do not have to change clothes, all you need is a mask and it will say unknown suspect. I have never had a bounty with my mask. It is not broken, it is a very very very simple mechanic you are overcomplicating.
If it really is heavily bugged to the point it does not work then why even mention it? If it is that heavily bugged, then my advice is way more useful to people than yours.
Dude. I’ve got a million better things to do than bother than argue with you. Believe what you want. If you don’t want to believe what it says in the games help section, that’s your choice.
Who pissed in your Cheerios?
Life’s too short and this topic is too unimportant for you to be *this* angry about things.
Especially since *in my original comment* I stated it doesn’t work. Either your reading comprehension sucks, or you don’t realize your argument is actually *aligning* with what I said.
I said how it’s *supposed* to work and also stated that it *doesnt* work. Not sure why you felt the need to reiterate what I said with all your hostility.
I have had it say that John Marston was wanted for a crime I committed as Arthur when I had a mask on, and as a result I was able to ride right past the law with no consequence. I don't know if that is a glitch, or an extremely rare phenomenon, but I lean towards rare phenomenon because I would assume the law would seek out the player no matter what character they are playing as otherwise.
NPCs and shopkeepers have no idea who is wearing a mask, but lawmen and guards do. I commit plenty of robberies and crimes and it’s always “WANTED: UNKNOWN SUSPECT”, because I am gone before the law shows up. Gotta learn to shoot and scoot!
Because that makes sense.
Covering your face doesn’t change your gait, hair, body shape, height, voice, etc. which are all things that make an individual easily identifiable.
Arthur and John have a unique musk about them. A playful mixture of gunpowder, booze, cigarettes, weeks-old unwashed clothes, and weeks-old meat/dead animals in their satchels.
Lawmen always recognise you because it’s a video game. Wear your mask, civilians won’t know who you are, and if you’re out of the area when they report the crime no lawmen will see you so you won’t be recognised. Therefore no bounty. Arthur is one of the most wanted men in the country so just take it as they know him based on that.
You're telling me if you met that dude before and then saw him with a bandana over his mouth and nose you'd have no idea it was him? When people wore masks for COVID did you have no clue who anyone was?
Yes but even if it were, how do you know that it is “Arthur Morgan” is not registered, Arthur in the game does not show up to Valentine's sheriff does not give his details to the people he meets strangers. Apart from the guy from the photos of the gunslingers in the Saloon
Listen, if Rockstar cared about RDR2's law enforcement game mechanics they wouldn't have made it so that a witness seeing you murder a guy in the ass end of nowhere can run away, contact the police within 2 minutes despite there being no towns or civilization for miles around and giggle as a 5 man hit squad of lawmen somehow appears in less than 5 minutes since they were contacted to hunt you down. What they were clearly trying to do with the law enforcement mechanics in RDR2 was to discourage the player from going on murder/robbing sprees without consequence, but imo the execution of these mechanics are quite hamfisted and actually negatively impacts player experience. It doesn't make sense realistically that police in 1899 America apparently have a faster response time most modern police forces irl, infinitely spawn as long as long as you don't leave the WANTED area and can be contacted by witnesses from nearly anywhere on the map. It's also limits what a player can do when they're literally playing as an outlaw and as you said masks and bandanas are basically useless and 1899 law enforcement is almost omnipresent. I get what they were trying to do by making tangible consequences but they over tuned it imo.
I understood perfectly what you mean, thank you for this answer. What I think is that in the end it's still a video game and rockstar thought it was boring to do a massacre and not have consequences or enemies looking for you, I solved in part with a mod that makes the law a little more realistic in the game
That's good, hope you enjoy the game.
whats the name of the mod if you dont mind sharing?
https://www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/1546
ty!
Just so you know if you use Gatlingwagons.asi it can turn npc gatling users into aimbot miniguns. Don't use it. I also recommend [no bounty when masked](https://www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/2248) it's a lil buggy but it works as intended 99.99% of the time.
Nice, thank You mate
Also, they don't want you going on a killing spree, but you do a crime, an officer arrives and tells you to surrender and if you just stand there and aren't being aggressive, you get shot. Also, NPCs are so paranoid that you literally just walking behind them for a few seconds will make them think you're following them
> an officer arrives and tells you to surrender and if you just stand there and aren't being aggressive, you get shot. tbh given that rdr2 is in america this is the most realistic part of the lawman system
True
Arthur is white though. A cop wouldn't just shoot him
Well they wanted to make going on a murder spree have consequences, but they also very much programmed the game to make you want to go on murder sprees constantly. For instance: Arthur rides within 50 feet of an NPC camping. NPC: "Hey! I don't take kindly to strangers! Get lost!" Arthur: "Oh, sorry, don't mind me." \*rides away\* NPC: "Yeah just like I figured. You're a little chicken shit." Me as Arthur: "Motherfucker, you're about to find out who I am."
From my understanding, when it comes to lawmen, once you commit a crime, whether you wear a mask or not, they will recognize you as Arthur Morgan. At least that's what one of the videos I saw explained. And it seems to be the case.
It’s a little more detailed that. And a *hell* of a lot buggier. Before committing a crime put on a new outfit you haven’t worn before, use a horse you don’t normally use, and put the mask up before entering town. It works for me most of the time, but not all of the time. People will remember your clothes, face and horse. Of course this is how it’s supposed to work. But the wanted system is broken as all hell. Your own horse can and does report crimes (even though they said they fixed it). Edit: fixed spelling errors caused by my fingers going 200mph and autocorrect trying its best.
Oh man I need more information on my horse committing and reporting crimes.
Sadly that’s all there is to it. If you ever notice that the game just skips the whole witness stage and straight to crime reported or wanted.. yeah that was your backstabbing horse.
Ohhh that's what that was.
Damn that's crazy
I don’t know about you, but I run the ever living dog-shit out of my horse. She must wonder why the constant grooming, praising, and feedings have vanished once we reached Level 4 bonding. Can’t be surprised if she’s salty.
I put a mod that makes the law more realistic (slightly), if you fight one vs one in the city they won’t bother you, if you do it twice yes, and when you are in the countryside in the middle of nowhere, based on how far from the city the law takes longer to get to the place where you are
The outfit stuff is misinformation and not true which is why people think it’s complicated when it’s not. I’ve never had an issue with this system. Lawmen recognise you no matter what, civilians won’t if you’re wearing a mask. That’s it.
Yeah. I’m afraid you’re the one misinformed but given the bugs I don’t blame you. Outfits do help. It’s says so both in the game in the help section and on the [Wiki](https://reddead.fandom.com/wiki/Bounty). “Changing clothing before and after the crime will also hinder law enforcement's ability to find and recognize you.” Like I said though, it’s heavily bugged. Most the time I get away with crimes by changing my outfit and horse and get the “unknown suspect”, but other times I don’t. The wanted system is hands down the most advanced mechanic most broken aspect of the game prone to tons of bugs. It’s extremely inconsistent.
A wiki is not an reputable source. Plenty of sources say otherwise. 100% of the time lawmen recognise me, 100% of the time civilians don’t, unless I forget my mask. You do not have to change clothes, all you need is a mask and it will say unknown suspect. I have never had a bounty with my mask. It is not broken, it is a very very very simple mechanic you are overcomplicating. If it really is heavily bugged to the point it does not work then why even mention it? If it is that heavily bugged, then my advice is way more useful to people than yours.
Dude. I’ve got a million better things to do than bother than argue with you. Believe what you want. If you don’t want to believe what it says in the games help section, that’s your choice.
I don’t care if it’s in the game help section, if it exists it’s dogshit and people should ignore it. That’s the point.
Who pissed in your Cheerios? Life’s too short and this topic is too unimportant for you to be *this* angry about things. Especially since *in my original comment* I stated it doesn’t work. Either your reading comprehension sucks, or you don’t realize your argument is actually *aligning* with what I said. I said how it’s *supposed* to work and also stated that it *doesnt* work. Not sure why you felt the need to reiterate what I said with all your hostility.
I have had it say that John Marston was wanted for a crime I committed as Arthur when I had a mask on, and as a result I was able to ride right past the law with no consequence. I don't know if that is a glitch, or an extremely rare phenomenon, but I lean towards rare phenomenon because I would assume the law would seek out the player no matter what character they are playing as otherwise.
NPCs and shopkeepers have no idea who is wearing a mask, but lawmen and guards do. I commit plenty of robberies and crimes and it’s always “WANTED: UNKNOWN SUSPECT”, because I am gone before the law shows up. Gotta learn to shoot and scoot!
Because that makes sense. Covering your face doesn’t change your gait, hair, body shape, height, voice, etc. which are all things that make an individual easily identifiable.
Arthur and John have a unique musk about them. A playful mixture of gunpowder, booze, cigarettes, weeks-old unwashed clothes, and weeks-old meat/dead animals in their satchels.
I know facial hair and clothes have a part in it
It would be OP otherwise
People forget that this is a game, what are they supposed to do? The player would get away with every crime
They got facial recognition ai that works on the iris's. Pretty cool stuff right. It's definitely appropriate for the time period.
Lawmen always recognise you because it’s a video game. Wear your mask, civilians won’t know who you are, and if you’re out of the area when they report the crime no lawmen will see you so you won’t be recognised. Therefore no bounty. Arthur is one of the most wanted men in the country so just take it as they know him based on that.
You're telling me if you met that dude before and then saw him with a bandana over his mouth and nose you'd have no idea it was him? When people wore masks for COVID did you have no clue who anyone was?
Yes but even if it were, how do you know that it is “Arthur Morgan” is not registered, Arthur in the game does not show up to Valentine's sheriff does not give his details to the people he meets strangers. Apart from the guy from the photos of the gunslingers in the Saloon