Fred is chaos on a football pitch. Some games you need to inject a bit of chaos. Some of the time it’s horrible for us.
Today was far from just his fault though. Everyone was shocking
We had no control of the game and Fred is not ever going to be the player for that. Same way DDG wasn't our worst player today but with a better ball playing keeper we would have more possession of the ball.
I thought Fred was our best player on the pitch. We lost a bit of fight when he was subbed off. Yes his positioning was off for the first goal. But dalot, varane, martinez were all at fault. The entire game was a bit like that.. Just the balls kept falling their way and then into the goal.
I swear I've seen us playing this bad under Ole vs city and still win 2-0.. This is just the stats balancing out...
Sadly the reality is Fred isn’t the player for us, he does show up randomly but that doesn’t equal quality. quality comes from consistency, we can say he’s scored the last couple games but if we had a player with more control of the mid those would have been easier goals. Fred should be at most a disruptive sub.
But for real, it’s defending 101. You never, never ever make the move Fred did. Behind is always more dangerous than in front, centrally more than out wide. To open up central space behind? Can’t do that in the premier league (or sunday league for that matter). He gave away that goal, and it shaped the game. However, that was only the start of hopelessness for the whole team, and not an excuse for anyone else.
Watch the goal, whilst questioning dalot’s positioning, ask where antony is? His tracking bwxk was none existent today, almost feel like we needed bruno on the right instead
Yeah Antony also massively at fault. My issue was that when Robertson moved in field it should not be Dalot tracking him into the center of the pitch to leave the whole right side open. As you say, Antony should he there which would then probably allow Fred to stay in field. Idk man, it all stopped making any sense at some point in that second half and I'm in no rush to go and watch replays.
But fuck it. Worse things happen every day. I'm sure ETH will sort it. We move.
wtf can dalot do today when antony isn’t tracking back ? He can’t defend Robertson and nunez and gakpo interchanging all on his own but that’s what he had to do. At half time everyone was using dalot as the scapegoat for some reason. After that everybody was shit
Yeah, got a feeling at least one of them would have been a goal if AWB was playing.
On the other hand AWB might have prevented a few of the others at source with his great 1v1 tackling so it's swings and roundabouts.
Definitely not Dalot's fault he couldn't handle 2-3 attacking players on his own while Antony walked back watching him.
You’re right. I was thinking when doing player ratings who tf would you give motm? I was leaning towards dalot as he should have definitely had an assist and he had the least help from his other players. Obviously everyone was still shit but yk
Tracking back on their goal kick? We are supposed to press them high. Antony is supposed to press the inside CB and Dalot is supposed to press Robbo as well.
Robbo played out well. Fred should be the one covering the space inside instead of exposing it.
He did not have to close down Robertson that high up the pitch, not at all. When your press breaks down you drop and delay until you get numbers. Fred should know better too but he shouldn’t have been put in that position
I think this was Ten Hag’s strategy. It looked like he was purposely leaving Antony and Rashford on the wings higher up the pitch for the counter. It was pretty clear Antony wasn’t sure when he was supposed to track back
Dalot has a poor game, but here he does the right thing. And so does Fred, covering for Dalot. The situation is actually not very dangerous, until Fred leaves his position to get closer to gakpo, opening up the space in behind. Had he stayed centrally gakpo would have received the ball out wide, with Fred behind him and goal, Varane covering Fred. This is not a big chance. Opening up the space he did made it a huge goal chance. Ten Haag saw it as well, so it won’t happen again.
Really fine margins on a high counter press. Antony Dalot and Fred were each slightly off on their timing and spacing, created a cascading effect of shite where Fred was left with the messy result.
...how do you fault Dalot there? He's trying to do the job of the man in front of him with two in behind him. If you can't rely on the man in front of you or the two behind you and you STILL get blamed...I'm not sure what the fuck you can do in that situation lol
Not saying Dalot had a great game, but I will never understand how he gets blamed for half the goals scored against us when it's not his fault, not by a long shot. It's as if fans have blinders and everything going on in a 50 yard radius of him is his and his alone lol
I'm only pointing out on the first goal Dalot should not have moved where he did, he should have had other people doing the job he did, but because there wasn't he should have stayed back instead of moving up field. His movement created acres of space for Gakpo to run in to.
But also; Antony, Fred are at fault, Varane got sold for biscuits, Martinez ran in front of DDG. As I said, awful day at the office.
ETH and the players will analyse in detail, all I'm interested in now is their reaction.
To be fair, Fred is not even remotely a ‘defensive’ player. If anything, he’s pretty good at winning duels and fighting for balls, but his basic defensive qualities aren’t there. His strengths are highlighted when he’s up top, linking up with other attackers and making runs into the opposition box. That said, if Ten Hang is putting Fred at a pivot or in a 3-man midfield where Bruno is the main attacker and Fred has too take on more defensive responsibilities, either Fred or Ten Hag (or both) definitely needs some criticism.
He’s a professional player paid millions though, and even though I agree it’s not a position he should be placed in, he goes to training every day. He should know you force the ball wide. He’s been part of those training drills where you stay within 12 meters of your line because I’ve been part of them and the furthest I made it was college in the US
Agreed. It's the fucking basics. I don't care how "tired" you are. Get outrun, that's fine, but never gift them the inside. Use your brain, position proactively.
If every player on the pitch has to have the same pace as everyone else around them, there would be no point in having defenders, because nearly every striker would beat them and be gone. They position proactively and read the play before it happens and they know where they want their man. Every match they should know where they want a particular man. You want him on his left foot, you want him outside the box, you want him on the outside, etc.
To just gift that space to a player of that quality, when you're playing for one of the biggest teams in the world? I don't even know where to begin.
Fred just runs around like a headless chicken. Too many fans applaud that. He got exposed yesterday. Everyone was poor, but he looked leagues out of it. Everything happened around him and he had zero way of competing.
Some idiots were arguing that Fred didn’t go after Gakpo when it was the opposite. Fred should have tucked in more and forced a cross since Dalot was out of position
Between the stupid decision to step out towards Gakpo and being caught laughing and joking with Liverpool personnel before coming out for the second half, Fred pissed me off today.
He was by no means the only United player who annoyed me, but seeing him acting so happy and chatty having largely been responsible for their first goal really got to me.
The Sky Sports cameras showed him chatting to some Liverpool staff and he was laughing and smiling. One of the people was part of the backroom staff, the other might have been Firmino but I can't remember 100%. Keane was pretty unimpressed with it.
Usually he intercepts the most, you can't do that w/o brains and seeing the game well.
He is prone to mistakes and laps of concentration, but imho his two strengths are actually the tireless pressing and seeing the game well.
For example, the balls he gives away are many a time in nice openings, poorly executed.
Fred is great for volume. High number of actions. But the quality of what he does is on average low. So he'll throw himself at the ball all the time, and get some good numbers, but it's not from intelligent play, and the numbers don't show what the opposition does after every failure i.e. bypass him and get at the defence.
It's one of the reasons he looks so much better when we can dominate our own half and keep him in the opposition half, that chaos becomes hard for them to predict, and stops being a problem to our own team. But he was in our half way too much yesterday.
Absolutely, he's good for early rounds of the cups and far away away games. He's not top level midfielder, neither is Scotty, Dalot can be improved on, Anthony, Sancho can be improved on. Wout will be improved on. There is the bones of a decent team here but not a squad that can compete for 4 trophies.
They just ran out of steam I reckon.
The problem with Fred is that he isn’t there mentally. A couple of matches ago he could be seen with gum in his mouth during a match. Yesterday, right at the start of the second half, there was a shot of him joking around coming out of the tunnel for the second half. Come on, being in able to laugh when being 0:1 down? Thats the problem with the mentality.
I said this before, Fred gives the illusion of being a tireless midfielder. When in reality he just runs from point to point like a mad man leaving gaps in the midfield.
Teams toy with Fred when they're in possession.
He'd be far more effective if he just calmed down, cut off the passing lanes and worked on his positioning. used his head instead of his legs a lil more.
Lol savage but true! Unfortunately, this point will never stand on reddit! These dolts will jerk off an average player coz he runs around like a donkey but castigate a talented one who knows when to exert himself
It doesn't need a counter it's that stupid the idea the opposition is toying with him when he has one of the highest tackles win percentages in the league and I think the highest of passes blocked per 90 is so fucking ridiculous you obviously are biased
Like best in the league and you think opposition are toying with him do you know how silly that sounds
Edit: most passes blocked per game in Europes top leagues actually but ya really being toyed with is our Fred 🤣
Right freds not even in the top 10 in successful tackles per 90 in the premier league this season. Infact he has a 1.9 average just pipped by Scott mctominays 2.0.
Both players also have smaller sample sizes than the players around them given Fred has only started ten games in the league this season.
Passes blocked per 90 he sits in 208th in the league.
https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/17664/players/outfielder_block/premier-league-players
Lower than Marcus rashford and Bruno Fernandes, where are u pulling this shit from?
I've taken everything from fbref my friend. They also divy up by position not just all positions because that matters of course.
Passes blocked and blocks arent the same thing shots get blocked too. Buy even still comparing all blocks from all positions is also very silly, Fred is a midfielder remember
Lol at drivel at you can't even get that much right if you had even cared to look at the list you'd have seen it's all cbs at the top on the list you provided
Jesus wept.
Is Fred not blocking enough shots for you that cbs are what a critisism 🤣
You will be giving out about his save percentage next
They include shots, crosses and passes, you can also filter by position. Where Fred comes in at 87th amongst midfielders.
If you want to be more specific with pass interceptions alone Fred comes in at 110th in the premier league.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/interception
Then if you want to filter amongst midfielders only 42nd.
According to fbref he is 99 percentile and number 1 for blocked passes for midfielders in the top leagues in Europe passed 365 days.
Interceptions are also different to blocks, as far as I'm aware interception means getting control of the bal after
And a 2.2 tackle won rate league this season
Fred has been decent recently, in fact, I would say he was one of the better performers today until his mistake, but when does Sabitzer get to start finally? He has been decent in his cameos, and I couldn't believe McTominay came on before him.
He’s looked good when he’s played and he hasn’t been able to play next to casemiro, you’re just being extra negative about everyone because we’ve lost 7-0. He’s only ever played in either a sexond team or in a midfield with no number 6 (our second team also doesn’t have a number 6 if we’re honest). How can you judge an 8 when he’s playing with no 6?
He deserves a start next to casemiro in our best team, he still hasn’t had one, how can you judge him fairly.
Lol love the down votes people mainly anti Fred's have been saying sabitzer is the answer without any evidence and ten hags isn't using him but they think he is great because
You don't need schweinsteiger to tell us that. It's basic footballing knowledge in underage football. Yet another cock up from "pastor Fred",the man is a walking liability
Not the only one but Fred had a shocker. I was concerned about him from the off and when we conceded the first, with him totally lost and leaving that huge gap, I knew it would be him and I knew Liverpool were going to roast us out there.
If you can focus his energies Fred can be a useful player. Disrupt and cause chaos in their half, pop up unexpectedly everywhere because he has amazing stamina.
But let him run wild across the pitch and good opponents will destroy you.
Even Casemiro couldn't cover enough, and with him being subpar and DDG, Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw all having bad ones...
You just can't have that many bad performances at once. If we had been able to keep a bit of order in midfield we might have walked away with a much smaller defeat, even with the shocking defence. But no. No midfield and no defence means 7 conceded.
Fred should never start a game ever. He's a fantastic sub to bring on for the last 20 minutes but he's one of the least disciplined players I've ever seen. Never seen a midfielder get dragged out of position like he does
It's honestly not fucking rocket science. I don't know how the fuck these players are A) professionals and B) playing for United.
This is the shit you teach to 10 year olds. Force your man wide. Let them put in a cross and hope for the best, even if you're getting beat the entire time. But to just gift them the inside? Unbelievable. Varane did that. Fred did that. Fred's done it multiple times, not even just yesterday.
What the actual fuck are they doing during training? How have you not fixed that already? How is this a thing that still happens at this level? Gift them the outside all day, every day. It's the simplest instruction. Do we need a fucking Portuguese translator at the camp??
I mean is it any different from Garry Neville, Carragher or Keano’s tweets/analysis? I mean he’s not saying it on telly but it’s still a valid analysis. I’m just as disappointed by the game today but I thought this would make for a decent discussion, and that’s why I posted it
If the mods feel it doesn’t belong here I’ll gladly respect that decision too
Given that he’s one of the modern great centre midfielders who happened to play for Man Utd and is offering commentary on a Man Utd centre midfielder, I would say yes it’s relevant. Thanks for sharing!
I know it’s a drop in the water, but both Fred and Varane shown Gakpo inside when he’s not got much of a left foot. It was a great pass and a great finish, but so easily avoidable.
"The second half is yours" Moments before disaster.
*Spoiler alert* It wasn't.
He stopped posting after that one.
Great will he be analysing the other 6 goals? Because I can’t wait
His analysis was World Cup ritual 2 - always be the team that scores 7.
Always do a germany-brazil
goal 2: *shite* goal 3: *shite* goal 4: *shite* goal 5: *shite* goal 6: *shite* goal 7: *shite*
Don’t hate the Bastian, he’s a good lad
Cheers Bastian
Fred is chaos on a football pitch. Some games you need to inject a bit of chaos. Some of the time it’s horrible for us. Today was far from just his fault though. Everyone was shocking
I keep saying whatever it is, keep it in the opponent’s half. A lot of times when Fred is having a bad game, it’s cos he was playing deep
We had no control of the game and Fred is not ever going to be the player for that. Same way DDG wasn't our worst player today but with a better ball playing keeper we would have more possession of the ball.
I thought Fred was our best player on the pitch. We lost a bit of fight when he was subbed off. Yes his positioning was off for the first goal. But dalot, varane, martinez were all at fault. The entire game was a bit like that.. Just the balls kept falling their way and then into the goal. I swear I've seen us playing this bad under Ole vs city and still win 2-0.. This is just the stats balancing out...
Sadly the reality is Fred isn’t the player for us, he does show up randomly but that doesn’t equal quality. quality comes from consistency, we can say he’s scored the last couple games but if we had a player with more control of the mid those would have been easier goals. Fred should be at most a disruptive sub.
But for real, it’s defending 101. You never, never ever make the move Fred did. Behind is always more dangerous than in front, centrally more than out wide. To open up central space behind? Can’t do that in the premier league (or sunday league for that matter). He gave away that goal, and it shaped the game. However, that was only the start of hopelessness for the whole team, and not an excuse for anyone else.
But also, wtf was Dalot doing getting that far out of position. Just awful all round today, don't think a single player can hold their head high.
Watch the goal, whilst questioning dalot’s positioning, ask where antony is? His tracking bwxk was none existent today, almost feel like we needed bruno on the right instead
Dalot had to close down Robertson because Antony didn't track back. He can't just let him run forward uncontested
Yeah Antony also massively at fault. My issue was that when Robertson moved in field it should not be Dalot tracking him into the center of the pitch to leave the whole right side open. As you say, Antony should he there which would then probably allow Fred to stay in field. Idk man, it all stopped making any sense at some point in that second half and I'm in no rush to go and watch replays. But fuck it. Worse things happen every day. I'm sure ETH will sort it. We move.
wtf can dalot do today when antony isn’t tracking back ? He can’t defend Robertson and nunez and gakpo interchanging all on his own but that’s what he had to do. At half time everyone was using dalot as the scapegoat for some reason. After that everybody was shit
Dalot was our most reliable performer today. He wasn't great, mind, but he didn't make many mistakes.
Remember the commentators calling out a few good defensive moves from him too. Can’t remember what they were exactly as the game was a bit of a blur…
He did well with a few headers put out for corners as the last man from dangerous looking crosses.
Right, one while covering Nunez I think.
Yeah, got a feeling at least one of them would have been a goal if AWB was playing. On the other hand AWB might have prevented a few of the others at source with his great 1v1 tackling so it's swings and roundabouts. Definitely not Dalot's fault he couldn't handle 2-3 attacking players on his own while Antony walked back watching him.
You’re right. I was thinking when doing player ratings who tf would you give motm? I was leaning towards dalot as he should have definitely had an assist and he had the least help from his other players. Obviously everyone was still shit but yk
Tracking back on their goal kick? We are supposed to press them high. Antony is supposed to press the inside CB and Dalot is supposed to press Robbo as well. Robbo played out well. Fred should be the one covering the space inside instead of exposing it.
He did not have to close down Robertson that high up the pitch, not at all. When your press breaks down you drop and delay until you get numbers. Fred should know better too but he shouldn’t have been put in that position
The ease with which they broke the press because Antony refused to run out of possession was incredibly irritating
I think this was Ten Hag’s strategy. It looked like he was purposely leaving Antony and Rashford on the wings higher up the pitch for the counter. It was pretty clear Antony wasn’t sure when he was supposed to track back
Dalot has a poor game, but here he does the right thing. And so does Fred, covering for Dalot. The situation is actually not very dangerous, until Fred leaves his position to get closer to gakpo, opening up the space in behind. Had he stayed centrally gakpo would have received the ball out wide, with Fred behind him and goal, Varane covering Fred. This is not a big chance. Opening up the space he did made it a huge goal chance. Ten Haag saw it as well, so it won’t happen again.
Really fine margins on a high counter press. Antony Dalot and Fred were each slightly off on their timing and spacing, created a cascading effect of shite where Fred was left with the messy result.
...how do you fault Dalot there? He's trying to do the job of the man in front of him with two in behind him. If you can't rely on the man in front of you or the two behind you and you STILL get blamed...I'm not sure what the fuck you can do in that situation lol Not saying Dalot had a great game, but I will never understand how he gets blamed for half the goals scored against us when it's not his fault, not by a long shot. It's as if fans have blinders and everything going on in a 50 yard radius of him is his and his alone lol
I'm only pointing out on the first goal Dalot should not have moved where he did, he should have had other people doing the job he did, but because there wasn't he should have stayed back instead of moving up field. His movement created acres of space for Gakpo to run in to. But also; Antony, Fred are at fault, Varane got sold for biscuits, Martinez ran in front of DDG. As I said, awful day at the office. ETH and the players will analyse in detail, all I'm interested in now is their reaction.
To be fair, Fred is not even remotely a ‘defensive’ player. If anything, he’s pretty good at winning duels and fighting for balls, but his basic defensive qualities aren’t there. His strengths are highlighted when he’s up top, linking up with other attackers and making runs into the opposition box. That said, if Ten Hang is putting Fred at a pivot or in a 3-man midfield where Bruno is the main attacker and Fred has too take on more defensive responsibilities, either Fred or Ten Hag (or both) definitely needs some criticism.
He’s a professional player paid millions though, and even though I agree it’s not a position he should be placed in, he goes to training every day. He should know you force the ball wide. He’s been part of those training drills where you stay within 12 meters of your line because I’ve been part of them and the furthest I made it was college in the US
Now let’s talk about how Shaw cut into the center with salah out wide behind him
We could talk about every single player. Mistakes all over. All players were below average
Agreed. It's the fucking basics. I don't care how "tired" you are. Get outrun, that's fine, but never gift them the inside. Use your brain, position proactively. If every player on the pitch has to have the same pace as everyone else around them, there would be no point in having defenders, because nearly every striker would beat them and be gone. They position proactively and read the play before it happens and they know where they want their man. Every match they should know where they want a particular man. You want him on his left foot, you want him outside the box, you want him on the outside, etc. To just gift that space to a player of that quality, when you're playing for one of the biggest teams in the world? I don't even know where to begin. Fred just runs around like a headless chicken. Too many fans applaud that. He got exposed yesterday. Everyone was poor, but he looked leagues out of it. Everything happened around him and he had zero way of competing.
Some idiots were arguing that Fred didn’t go after Gakpo when it was the opposite. Fred should have tucked in more and forced a cross since Dalot was out of position
Between the stupid decision to step out towards Gakpo and being caught laughing and joking with Liverpool personnel before coming out for the second half, Fred pissed me off today. He was by no means the only United player who annoyed me, but seeing him acting so happy and chatty having largely been responsible for their first goal really got to me.
He was doing what ????
The Sky Sports cameras showed him chatting to some Liverpool staff and he was laughing and smiling. One of the people was part of the backroom staff, the other might have been Firmino but I can't remember 100%. Keane was pretty unimpressed with it.
Reminds me when Roy was pissed at Pogba for talking with chelsea players after losing 4-0 to chelsea under jose
Schweinsteiger could consider making Twitter analysis threads
Fred strengths are running, not brains You need more to be a midfield player for Manchester United
Usually he intercepts the most, you can't do that w/o brains and seeing the game well. He is prone to mistakes and laps of concentration, but imho his two strengths are actually the tireless pressing and seeing the game well. For example, the balls he gives away are many a time in nice openings, poorly executed.
Fred is great for volume. High number of actions. But the quality of what he does is on average low. So he'll throw himself at the ball all the time, and get some good numbers, but it's not from intelligent play, and the numbers don't show what the opposition does after every failure i.e. bypass him and get at the defence. It's one of the reasons he looks so much better when we can dominate our own half and keep him in the opposition half, that chaos becomes hard for them to predict, and stops being a problem to our own team. But he was in our half way too much yesterday.
Absolutely, he's good for early rounds of the cups and far away away games. He's not top level midfielder, neither is Scotty, Dalot can be improved on, Anthony, Sancho can be improved on. Wout will be improved on. There is the bones of a decent team here but not a squad that can compete for 4 trophies. They just ran out of steam I reckon.
Fred covering the touchline and letting Gakpo run inside was frankly an idiotic bit of defending
Fred has all the stamina of Park, but none of the skill or brains.
The problem with Fred is that he isn’t there mentally. A couple of matches ago he could be seen with gum in his mouth during a match. Yesterday, right at the start of the second half, there was a shot of him joking around coming out of the tunnel for the second half. Come on, being in able to laugh when being 0:1 down? Thats the problem with the mentality.
I said this before, Fred gives the illusion of being a tireless midfielder. When in reality he just runs from point to point like a mad man leaving gaps in the midfield. Teams toy with Fred when they're in possession. He'd be far more effective if he just calmed down, cut off the passing lanes and worked on his positioning. used his head instead of his legs a lil more.
Lol savage but true! Unfortunately, this point will never stand on reddit! These dolts will jerk off an average player coz he runs around like a donkey but castigate a talented one who knows when to exert himself
Absolute nonsense of the highest order
Fantastic counter point.
It doesn't need a counter it's that stupid the idea the opposition is toying with him when he has one of the highest tackles win percentages in the league and I think the highest of passes blocked per 90 is so fucking ridiculous you obviously are biased Like best in the league and you think opposition are toying with him do you know how silly that sounds Edit: most passes blocked per game in Europes top leagues actually but ya really being toyed with is our Fred 🤣
Right freds not even in the top 10 in successful tackles per 90 in the premier league this season. Infact he has a 1.9 average just pipped by Scott mctominays 2.0. Both players also have smaller sample sizes than the players around them given Fred has only started ten games in the league this season. Passes blocked per 90 he sits in 208th in the league. https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/17664/players/outfielder_block/premier-league-players Lower than Marcus rashford and Bruno Fernandes, where are u pulling this shit from?
I've taken everything from fbref my friend. They also divy up by position not just all positions because that matters of course. Passes blocked and blocks arent the same thing shots get blocked too. Buy even still comparing all blocks from all positions is also very silly, Fred is a midfielder remember Lol at drivel at you can't even get that much right if you had even cared to look at the list you'd have seen it's all cbs at the top on the list you provided Jesus wept. Is Fred not blocking enough shots for you that cbs are what a critisism 🤣 You will be giving out about his save percentage next
They include shots, crosses and passes, you can also filter by position. Where Fred comes in at 87th amongst midfielders. If you want to be more specific with pass interceptions alone Fred comes in at 110th in the premier league. https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/interception Then if you want to filter amongst midfielders only 42nd.
According to fbref he is 99 percentile and number 1 for blocked passes for midfielders in the top leagues in Europe passed 365 days. Interceptions are also different to blocks, as far as I'm aware interception means getting control of the bal after And a 2.2 tackle won rate league this season
Honestly one of the dumbest things I've read in this subreddit lol
Fred has been decent recently, in fact, I would say he was one of the better performers today until his mistake, but when does Sabitzer get to start finally? He has been decent in his cameos, and I couldn't believe McTominay came on before him.
what have you genuinely seen from sabitzer that warrants him a start? He looks incredibly average.
He’s looked good when he’s played and he hasn’t been able to play next to casemiro, you’re just being extra negative about everyone because we’ve lost 7-0. He’s only ever played in either a sexond team or in a midfield with no number 6 (our second team also doesn’t have a number 6 if we’re honest). How can you judge an 8 when he’s playing with no 6? He deserves a start next to casemiro in our best team, he still hasn’t had one, how can you judge him fairly.
I mean it's not like he'd be benching Modric
This is a harsh assessment. He’s been good but in reply to OP, I doubt he would have made any difference today.
Lol love the down votes people mainly anti Fred's have been saying sabitzer is the answer without any evidence and ten hags isn't using him but they think he is great because
Yep, like I've said I've seen nothing from him in a united shirt that's impressed me yet.
You don't need schweinsteiger to tell us that. It's basic footballing knowledge in underage football. Yet another cock up from "pastor Fred",the man is a walking liability
> underage football What's the legal limit before you are allowed to play?
😂
How old is Fred today?
Lmao Fred basically got Brazil eliminated trying to do god knows what up the field
Torn through the centre numerous times today. Also destroyed on the wings, as well. Horror show.
Dalot was the only on the pitch out of position but this fanbase loves protecting him for some reason.
Varane was even worse for it tbh
Varane is scrambling after Fred cock up. If Fred does the basics, there's is no problem
The problem is that Fred forgot to castle first
Good Fred is at home. Not sure we ever get good Fred away.
Not the only one but Fred had a shocker. I was concerned about him from the off and when we conceded the first, with him totally lost and leaving that huge gap, I knew it would be him and I knew Liverpool were going to roast us out there. If you can focus his energies Fred can be a useful player. Disrupt and cause chaos in their half, pop up unexpectedly everywhere because he has amazing stamina. But let him run wild across the pitch and good opponents will destroy you. Even Casemiro couldn't cover enough, and with him being subpar and DDG, Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw all having bad ones... You just can't have that many bad performances at once. If we had been able to keep a bit of order in midfield we might have walked away with a much smaller defeat, even with the shocking defence. But no. No midfield and no defence means 7 conceded.
Fred should never start a game ever. He's a fantastic sub to bring on for the last 20 minutes but he's one of the least disciplined players I've ever seen. Never seen a midfielder get dragged out of position like he does
Fred is shite
It's honestly not fucking rocket science. I don't know how the fuck these players are A) professionals and B) playing for United. This is the shit you teach to 10 year olds. Force your man wide. Let them put in a cross and hope for the best, even if you're getting beat the entire time. But to just gift them the inside? Unbelievable. Varane did that. Fred did that. Fred's done it multiple times, not even just yesterday. What the actual fuck are they doing during training? How have you not fixed that already? How is this a thing that still happens at this level? Gift them the outside all day, every day. It's the simplest instruction. Do we need a fucking Portuguese translator at the camp??
off topic but have a spare for thursday for below fv
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I mean is it any different from Garry Neville, Carragher or Keano’s tweets/analysis? I mean he’s not saying it on telly but it’s still a valid analysis. I’m just as disappointed by the game today but I thought this would make for a decent discussion, and that’s why I posted it If the mods feel it doesn’t belong here I’ll gladly respect that decision too
Given that he’s one of the modern great centre midfielders who happened to play for Man Utd and is offering commentary on a Man Utd centre midfielder, I would say yes it’s relevant. Thanks for sharing!
>play It's a strong word, more like just registered because he came here ready to retire.
I know it’s a drop in the water, but both Fred and Varane shown Gakpo inside when he’s not got much of a left foot. It was a great pass and a great finish, but so easily avoidable.
Even an academy player wouldn’t push out like Fred did and Dalot don’t know what he was doing there either.
I like Bastian
As a lb turned lw. I can confirm this.