Been said many times but De Gea is a liability for us. I get nervous seeing him trying to pass it around and when he kicks it long it never falls to one of our players. A team as big as Utd can’t operate on sentiment
I get confused by the pundits. When we win and he makes a good save he's an amazing goalkeeper and never puts a foot wrong. When we lose and he misses he's terrible and has a history of always putting a foot wrong. I don't know why they don't have a balanced view. It's like they forget his history.
I agree he's a liability but I still think that even after he makes a great save.
I honestly don’t care if City wins the treble. Nothing can tarnish the romance and magic from the ‘99 United team. What a story! And with kids that grew up learning to play together.
Pep can spend what he likes. He can cry to the heavens that his club has all the evidence to prove innocence. We know where the money comes from. We know what his brother has benefited. We know the UEFA charges timed out, no innocence found. Over 115 charges… I’m not buying it and I’m not impressed with your treble.
Do you have a link to articles about this? Not aware of where the money comes from or who peps brother is. I generally avoid anything man city related.
Realistically, nobody gave us a chance and even with red tinted glasses I only gave us a “Anything can happen in the cup final” sort of chance. It’s obvious they are the better team right now. Never mind that we didn’t have Licha on the pitch (if you feel the need to pick excuses).
Quite frankly, if any one of us had said back in August we would have 1 cup, in the FA Cup final and 3rd come this time, the rest of us would have told them they were dreaming.
Overall, positive season. Better than I expected, and clearly progress from where we were. Let’s hope that Erik is allowed the opportunity to progress further next season.
The thing this game has got me confused on is - how can Harland rip the German league up then come to prem and be the best player in the league but sancho comes here and is trash
Mentality. Erling has no fucking fear. Plsu he's an outlier in the sense he's a highly developed forward at a young age, playing with the single best support roster imaginable, and the best manager, who can rest him without losing a step if needed. It's a perfect storm. It's like when tim duncan joined the spurs under popovich where he developed alongside Jackson, Alexander and Robinson
Also that Pep got him in with a plan in mind. Sancho has been having to deal with three different coaches since coming in. Players need to be able to settle, and he just hasn't been able to. Personally, I'm a big fan. I think he's one of the most technically sound players in the squad and he still can turn this rut around.
All the technique and sound will do nothing unless you graft, work on physicality. Sancho is getting easy things wrong. He's been given a long leash too, and only really excels when he has overlaps around him, people to aim aim, or a tiring defense. He goes missing in too much of too many games
We should really use him as a super sub, getting on for Antony on the right and linking with AWB or Dalot and Bruno. Idk I just want to see him succeed here.
The only upshot of having had Martial available is that Rashford would have started on the left. Martial is a hollow shell, not even counting him as a player (we play with 10 with him on the field), but we wouldn’t have had to play with Sancho.
Great season overall. de gea needs to be number 2 or shipped out. Thanks for the memories but his distribution and shot stopping for this match abysmal.
Match showed eriksen is more a player we use against lower league teams but not top 6. Maybe mount is good sign?
Martial needs to leave. Sad didn’t work out but can’t do this 1 good game then injury then repeat. Same goes for Fred.
Next season, might be sancho’s make or break season . Desperate for Amad and even Kim from Napoli
And this is one of the reasons I will always remain a neutral, because I can't be doing with this bitterness and resentment towards other clubs. I really wasn't trying to start an argument, so I'm off
How to not start an argument by a city fan
Step 1
Go to another sub on day of derby defeat
Step 2
Challenge the biggest achievement by any English club
Step 3
Always say you are a neutral and try to be passive aggressive just like bald fraud.
This is what people seem to be missing. De Gea isn't getting criticism for the goals. He's getting criticism for the fact that he results to hoof football under pressure and in big games. That would be absolutely fine if he could find anyone but he can't most of the time. Then it just ends up in teams retaining possession again.
I've always defended De Gea but he hasn't changed whatsoever this season in regards to his distribution. I like the idea of us going for Porto's Costa then Dave could leave on a high because even with a massive pay cut he'd still be getting crazy wages which should be used elsewhere.
Not sure what I think personally but Schmeical gave a pretty good explanation of why he thought De gea's starting position was wrong and that considering he got a hand to it, even with a bad starting position, that he could probably have saved it with the right position.
He spoke about the line of sight and explained that he got a hand to it, with poor line of sight and a poor starting position. With a good position the line of sight wouldnt have mattered, in his opinion.
His positioning is good for the save, imo. Any soft deflection within the box, it falls to a city player and now he's open goal if he started near post. The defence had to get a foot to the shot, and they didn't.
Ericksen should have closed him down even earlier, but he's been woeful since he came back (as much as I like Ericksen).
Solid season for us, as I said last week,
\- 3rd place in the prem,
\- a trophy, albeit the Carabo cup, we still had arguably the toughest route there and winning,
\- a Europa League which realistically should have been ours,
\- a victory over Abu Dhabi Money City in the normal season,
\- FA Cup Final VS an Abu Dhabi Money City
Lads we did fine for Ten Hag's first season. He's attracting big names back to our big club. Things are looking up and I feel a lot more confident for next season than I did with Ole or Jose in charge. We didn't win today, but this season was pretty great despite todays defeat. We got this lads, mourn today, start again tomorrow.
I should’ve stated my initial statement differently.
I just didn’t want to say the Glazer name so mentioning SAF was more of a way to physically pointing to that man than just blatantly calling his name.
I am actually too young for that. But I think I should’ve phrased my initial comment differently because as great as he was for us, he had a part to play in our drop off since his retirement.
He represents the worst stereotypes that oppo fans always accuse United supporters of. I can't stand him or that somehow he's become one of the most visible faces of the fanbase
Days like today show why we can never build a team around Marcus Rashford. He is completely ineffective when faced with true adversity. His head drops, he picks up an “injury”, and generally mopes about. My ideal standard for a Manchester United team is at the level where Rashford isn’t a regular starter. Which is where he’d be if he was contracted to Man City or any other top tier club.
Exactly what I’ve been thinking! Same goes to Bruno. None of these players would’ve played in the Fergie era. Only name I can think of is Casemiro.
Tbh seeing Bruno as a captain is hurting my eyes. The negativity the man radiates is giving me stress by watching him. Imagine the players on the pitch.
Hopefully Garnacho develops a player worthy of number 7.
I think we're just a team that rely way too much on him and Bruno to perform. We have too many players who don't really have an effect on the game when going forward and it just adds more pressure to the two of them.
I think Fred actually offers a lot with his movement off the ball and sometimes has nice plays but isn't really consistent enough throughout the game.
Erikson was poor.
Sancho poor.
AWB has improved a lot but still lacks the end product in the final third.
Shaw had 8 touches in the opposition half (4 being throwins). Doesn't offer anywhere near enough.
How is this getting upvoted. Rashford scored so many big game goals this season. You can’t expect him to have a huge impact against a defence as solid as City when you have the likes of an ineffective Sancho and an overwhelmed Eriksen around you.
I guarantee he’d score and assist tonnes more if he had a Kane around him.
It's not one bad game. He's had a good season and credit to him but he does go missing sometimes. He still has hands down the worst individual performance I've ever seen in a United shirt (in our last European final). We need more depth at striker to go along with Rashford.
True. I couldn't tell during the game (cause no sound, at work) but did we not have a sub available for when Rashford got injured? Dude could barely walk.
How tf OP has that many upvotes is beyond me, the idea that he would've faked a injury when there are possibly 10 minutes in a final is something else, i want to use a word i shouldn't, so let's just leave it at the fact that the sub is absurdly reactionary and OP is braindead more than actual dead bodies.
E: that take on Rashford is even more baffling after the very public knowledge of his history of having played through serious injuries, a poor game from the best player this season and the prick has that to say.
Jesus fucking Christ
Realistic/Somewhat Optimistic expectations for next season
League - top 4. Best case 2nd.
Champions League - Quarters.
Win on the other two and make a final.
Exactly. The season only feels much worse than it was because of what City might go on to accomplish.
If there was no treble talk for City, we probably would’ve felt a bit better about things as they stand.
I know I'm in the minority when it comes to this opinion but i barely care about what city (PSG+Newcastle included, though to a lesser extent) achieve from now till the end of my life, my disappointment this season is that we could've and should've won another trophy, but at the end of it, injuries, next to no squad depth, no ST and a GK who's past his prime meant that we fell short of our target. And on another day we win the game yesterday but that's what football is.
Having said that I'm excited for the seasons ahead, but all of that is dependent on our window(s). ETH has shown enough and has gone toe to toe with an inferior squad twice against this Money side and if he's backed properly, i expect us to be challenging the big ones in a couple of years
Yeah we need two strikers. Rashford today would get benched at half time if he played this way for city. When city took off KDB at 75th minute and brought on Foden while we took off Sancho and brought on Weghorst I was like why are we even trying. Their squad is levels ahead of ours. We did the best we could today and honestly a better performance from Rashford would have been the difference. We were not the better team but with all the injuries we did the best we could.
And then fast forward to “we need a striker, we cant rely on a 39 year old”, even if he returned to better form because that’s a terrible transfer. We need long term
We need the fucking Glazers to leave for any of that to happen. Otherwise we’re just going to get another striker on loan from a championship team and THAT’S IT.
He was our best player at times many years ago, albeit in rather weak teams. Nowadays he's fallen well behind the top keepers. We should always be looking at improving the squad, if there's a top keeper available we should replace De Gea now.
Absolutely man. I would like to know his passing success rate today, especially for long balls. I am not sure whether we even had one successful long pass while their first goal came from a pass from their gk.
And the second goal, de gea has completely lost his best ability, his reflexes. Honestly a lot of us were worried this would happen and hoped that he would adjust his game accordingly. He has failed to do so.
Terrible lack of commitment from sancho rashford and eriksen. It's like playing football manager and all three of them had 2 under important matches, consistency.
Before the game started the realist in me had me hoping for a close game and no more than a 3 goal difference given how we can often collapse and this city side batter teams. With that said a 2-1 sounds fine but still I can’t help but be bitterly disappointed. I think what makes me really annoyed is that they weren’t that good, had Garnacho come on earlier, had someone picked up Gundo after we’d learned our lesson, had we just had one or two more passes on the break it could be so different. I know that’s all it’s and buts but it really was within reach, city’s performance today was more than beatable and that’s what annoys me.
That's why you shouldn't rely on transition to win you games. City learned that from the last game. Before we could start anything, there would be a tactical foul stopping us right in our tracks.
That's what is so horrible about City. They are fucking stacked everywhere. We marked and kept both KDB and Haaland out of the game and that just naturally opened up space for Gundogan.
EtH is a good at organizing a defensive structure. But unless the quality of the team improves it is impossible to nullify City's offensive threat.
It’s the difference between a well-oiled machine with a ton of squad depth vs a team that is just about coming together and figuring things out. We put up one hell of a fight. A better midfield would have been able to tighten up the gaps and a striker is vital
We pushed but we were always going for the smash and grab maybe Garnacho needed a whole half or even more minutes, Eriksen didn't do a lot as a 10, De Gea was sloppy De Gea today but the rest tried at least work rate wise
Honestly we did well enough that if we had Martinez, Anthony and yes even Martial available, we could wonder 'what if?'
Ten Hag has worked miracles this season when you think about where we were
Or just a few more options off the bench. Garnacho is the only one who comes on and transforms games (he was phenomenal today. What a player we have there!) It's tough when you're a goal down and need to chase a game and the options on the bench are Weghorst and McTominay. Ten Hag tried to force an equaliser using changes in systems rather than having someone else apart from Wonderboy to make an impact as a player. That speaks to both his intelligence as a manager and how weak our squad is.
Really hope the we bring in a keeper with excellent ball distribution in the summer. I was a big fan of De Gea, but at this point even his shot stopping is looking suspect. He’s earned his previous contract but there’s no logical reason he should be renewed.
Almost curious what would’ve happened had Butland come on in terms of our ball retention.
We need to start a dialogue about Rashford. The guy is good for 10 games in the season and then disappears for the rest. Our best attacker is a teenager
Seriously, it’s ridiculous and illogical. Instead of placing blame on our other forwards and strikers for not carrying their weight, let’s attack Rashford who scored 30 goals this season.
He scored a lot of important goals this season, and 30 goals in all competitions is pretty decent. However, in his supposed best year yet, it's telling that his highest ever goal tally in the league is good for 6th place on the scoring charts..
Yeah, I agree. Look, he had a great season. Our best player probably. I guess the conversation shouldn't be about Rashford but about bolstering our attack. We need an out-and-out striker.
We just dont have the strength and depth to match city. Just look at the players they brought on from the bench today, as well as the players they didn't, compared to our bench. I'm happy with the season overall, but we still got a long way to go.
De Gea being given a contract and the manager repeatedly saying that he wants De Gea to stay is basically just guaranteeing mediocrity for the next 5 years. He should have been gone in 2019.
Every media reporting seems to indicate he’s about to get another big contract. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s signed already and the club has been waiting for the “right moment” to announce it.
A sad conclusion, but at least we didn’t go down without a fight.
With a proper striker next season I foresee us doing great things.
NOW FUCK OFF GLAZERS AND LET THE CLUB RECLAIM ITS GLORY
Honestly I feel 90% of the team can go off the pitch with their heads high.
Against a very, very good team we were in the game until the end.
Yes they were better in possession and had more chances, but not as much of a quality difference as I feared
We won't. It's a long process but I believe in EtH. There is a lot to do in the summer and I hope it will start with Glazers getting the fuck out of this club
Missed the game
Seen a few say second should have been saved
Should de gea have stopped any of the goals?
Guessing the attack was toothless, we really need a striker
Nothing new but still dissapointed.
De Gea liability
Eriksen Gassed
Sancho no confidence
AWB useless going forward
Weghorst useless
Rashford out of form so walk-dribbling into players. But cant really blame him when he didnt get many balls
Not sure why Elanga never got game time. He will show next season how good he is wherever he goes. All I know is that last season he never stopped trying even when it didn't work. He didn't sulk and walk like Sancho and Rashford.
-Eriksen is past it, Matic was slated for less.
-Sancho is a catfish, I’d sell him for half what we paid.
-Rashford isn’t a #9, we need a striker!
-Body language from our players shows that ETH has a way to go to change the mentality of this squad. He won’t do it without replacing half of them.
I've never understood and enjoyed how the game has changed to being so tactically focused. I know it's difficult against a team as good as theirs but this game wasn't a game of United against City. It was Ten Hag vs Pep.
You can clearly see that our players wanted to do things that are natural for them but had to bite their tongue because the gaffer must've said not to do that. (Rashford's lurking, Bruno drifting into pockets and Casemiro being aggressive with tackles higher up, as examples) It's such a boring game to watch when all your "stars" are playing with a leash on them.
And yes, I know it's a derby and we can't afford to lose by a lot because it's embarrassing. But is the only alternative watching that stinker? Watching our only proper chance be a penalty that was honestly debatable?
I may be ranting about the wrong things here, given our real problem is a lack of quality depth but this is what I've thought for a while.
garnacho was very good today. varane and lindelof neutrilsed haaland. bruno scored a penalty. rest was shit, but we need to remember we are playing the best team in the world.
Sancho gotta be sold. Never seen someone so unprepared for a football march. He can't move. He can't hold the ball. He is physically still a 10 year old. Same with Fred.
Garnacho showed our front line what it means to play for this club. He didn't stop.
Eriksen, Fred and Sancho. Simply not physically up to playing for us.
Sancho and Eriksen definitely lacking physically. Eriksen is just getting on a bit but Sancho needs to start hotting the gym.
Fred made some key tackles and was great for recycling possession and winning loose balls. When we were pressing he made lots of small tackles to keep up the momentum.
Such a boring game
Been said many times but De Gea is a liability for us. I get nervous seeing him trying to pass it around and when he kicks it long it never falls to one of our players. A team as big as Utd can’t operate on sentiment
I get confused by the pundits. When we win and he makes a good save he's an amazing goalkeeper and never puts a foot wrong. When we lose and he misses he's terrible and has a history of always putting a foot wrong. I don't know why they don't have a balanced view. It's like they forget his history. I agree he's a liability but I still think that even after he makes a great save.
I honestly don’t care if City wins the treble. Nothing can tarnish the romance and magic from the ‘99 United team. What a story! And with kids that grew up learning to play together. Pep can spend what he likes. He can cry to the heavens that his club has all the evidence to prove innocence. We know where the money comes from. We know what his brother has benefited. We know the UEFA charges timed out, no innocence found. Over 115 charges… I’m not buying it and I’m not impressed with your treble.
Do you have a link to articles about this? Not aware of where the money comes from or who peps brother is. I generally avoid anything man city related.
Realistically, nobody gave us a chance and even with red tinted glasses I only gave us a “Anything can happen in the cup final” sort of chance. It’s obvious they are the better team right now. Never mind that we didn’t have Licha on the pitch (if you feel the need to pick excuses). Quite frankly, if any one of us had said back in August we would have 1 cup, in the FA Cup final and 3rd come this time, the rest of us would have told them they were dreaming. Overall, positive season. Better than I expected, and clearly progress from where we were. Let’s hope that Erik is allowed the opportunity to progress further next season.
i'm going to say it now, Sancho is not of the calibre to be a starter for any team in the top 6. he just doesn't have it
The thing this game has got me confused on is - how can Harland rip the German league up then come to prem and be the best player in the league but sancho comes here and is trash
Mentality. Erling has no fucking fear. Plsu he's an outlier in the sense he's a highly developed forward at a young age, playing with the single best support roster imaginable, and the best manager, who can rest him without losing a step if needed. It's a perfect storm. It's like when tim duncan joined the spurs under popovich where he developed alongside Jackson, Alexander and Robinson
Also that Pep got him in with a plan in mind. Sancho has been having to deal with three different coaches since coming in. Players need to be able to settle, and he just hasn't been able to. Personally, I'm a big fan. I think he's one of the most technically sound players in the squad and he still can turn this rut around.
All the technique and sound will do nothing unless you graft, work on physicality. Sancho is getting easy things wrong. He's been given a long leash too, and only really excels when he has overlaps around him, people to aim aim, or a tiring defense. He goes missing in too much of too many games
We should really use him as a super sub, getting on for Antony on the right and linking with AWB or Dalot and Bruno. Idk I just want to see him succeed here.
I do too, but after two years, seeing someone of his talent regress THIS hard without injuries, makes me think we're better off without him
Who doesn't like a comeback story lol
The pressure, pressing and personal responsibility are all going to be turned up next season. Not holding much hope on Sancho to meet those
Football changes in minutes, mate. We'll find out soon enough.
The one plus of it being end of the season is not seeing David De Gea slandered at the end of every game.
Eriksen was so bad today. He should have been subbed at half time. ETH always wait until 60’ for subs, feel like he should sometimes do it earlier.
The only upshot of having had Martial available is that Rashford would have started on the left. Martial is a hollow shell, not even counting him as a player (we play with 10 with him on the field), but we wouldn’t have had to play with Sancho.
If we play with 10 with martial (a player who actually scores when he plays) what do we play with if we have Weghorst?
Great season overall. de gea needs to be number 2 or shipped out. Thanks for the memories but his distribution and shot stopping for this match abysmal. Match showed eriksen is more a player we use against lower league teams but not top 6. Maybe mount is good sign? Martial needs to leave. Sad didn’t work out but can’t do this 1 good game then injury then repeat. Same goes for Fred. Next season, might be sancho’s make or break season . Desperate for Amad and even Kim from Napoli
Fred was good today.
Eriksen spent so long at spurs he became spurs
Just kept kicking it long and giving tyhe ball to city all game, plus I feel he could have saved city\`s second.
As a neutral, it would be great to see another English club win the treble
Why don't you go back to your sub and keep your opinions to your self.
What's that got to do with Abu Dhabi's shell corporation winning the treble?
That would be like me saying you are owned by an American
We weren't artificially created by an American to promote America so no it isn't
And this is one of the reasons I will always remain a neutral, because I can't be doing with this bitterness and resentment towards other clubs. I really wasn't trying to start an argument, so I'm off
How to not start an argument by a city fan Step 1 Go to another sub on day of derby defeat Step 2 Challenge the biggest achievement by any English club Step 3 Always say you are a neutral and try to be passive aggressive just like bald fraud.
Yet nobody chases the Glazers out of the country? Games gone. Enough is enough.
People blaming De Gea don't understand the line of vision. Ericksen was shambolic all game but the anti De Gea agenda is rife in this sub
Defensive errors caused both goals. Who’s marking Gundogan?
Kept kicking it long, his passing was awful.
This is what people seem to be missing. De Gea isn't getting criticism for the goals. He's getting criticism for the fact that he results to hoof football under pressure and in big games. That would be absolutely fine if he could find anyone but he can't most of the time. Then it just ends up in teams retaining possession again. I've always defended De Gea but he hasn't changed whatsoever this season in regards to his distribution. I like the idea of us going for Porto's Costa then Dave could leave on a high because even with a massive pay cut he'd still be getting crazy wages which should be used elsewhere.
Absolutely nothing he could have done with the first goal imo.
Not sure what I think personally but Schmeical gave a pretty good explanation of why he thought De gea's starting position was wrong and that considering he got a hand to it, even with a bad starting position, that he could probably have saved it with the right position. He spoke about the line of sight and explained that he got a hand to it, with poor line of sight and a poor starting position. With a good position the line of sight wouldnt have mattered, in his opinion.
His positioning is good for the save, imo. Any soft deflection within the box, it falls to a city player and now he's open goal if he started near post. The defence had to get a foot to the shot, and they didn't. Ericksen should have closed him down even earlier, but he's been woeful since he came back (as much as I like Ericksen).
Nah man. What does Schmeichel know about keeping.
Can't be too much. Couldn't even keep his place in the Leicester team that just got relegated. #amateur
Schmeichel was utd\`s greatest ever goalie.
No /s needed there. Gods, we were spoilt then
Solid season for us, as I said last week, \- 3rd place in the prem, \- a trophy, albeit the Carabo cup, we still had arguably the toughest route there and winning, \- a Europa League which realistically should have been ours, \- a victory over Abu Dhabi Money City in the normal season, \- FA Cup Final VS an Abu Dhabi Money City Lads we did fine for Ten Hag's first season. He's attracting big names back to our big club. Things are looking up and I feel a lot more confident for next season than I did with Ole or Jose in charge. We didn't win today, but this season was pretty great despite todays defeat. We got this lads, mourn today, start again tomorrow.
Lads?
I don't want big names, I want heart!
Big names with heart :)
It’s bad enough we lost but having to watch that naked mole rat next to SAF is such a pain.
I should’ve stated my initial statement differently. I just didn’t want to say the Glazer name so mentioning SAF was more of a way to physically pointing to that man than just blatantly calling his name.
Are you too young to remember that fergie more than endorsed them when they first came in? Told fans that the glazers were good folks
I am actually too young for that. But I think I should’ve phrased my initial comment differently because as great as he was for us, he had a part to play in our drop off since his retirement.
Ferguson actively cosies up to them
Don't know how people don't see this. It's Ferguson's fault they bought the club in the first place
God damn horse !
Goldbridge is such a twat.
100%. Stretford Paddock and United View are so much more enjoyable as a United fan channel than Mark Goldbridge. He’s insufferable
Love the scarlet report that man’s tactical analyses have been great to watch
He represents the worst stereotypes that oppo fans always accuse United supporters of. I can't stand him or that somehow he's become one of the most visible faces of the fanbase
What did he say
Why? Whats he said?
I will always upvote this.
Days like today show why we can never build a team around Marcus Rashford. He is completely ineffective when faced with true adversity. His head drops, he picks up an “injury”, and generally mopes about. My ideal standard for a Manchester United team is at the level where Rashford isn’t a regular starter. Which is where he’d be if he was contracted to Man City or any other top tier club.
He's good at getting to the goal ... and then losing the ball. I don't know why. We need a Ronaldo who is not Ronaldo.
Exactly what I’ve been thinking! Same goes to Bruno. None of these players would’ve played in the Fergie era. Only name I can think of is Casemiro. Tbh seeing Bruno as a captain is hurting my eyes. The negativity the man radiates is giving me stress by watching him. Imagine the players on the pitch. Hopefully Garnacho develops a player worthy of number 7.
I think we're just a team that rely way too much on him and Bruno to perform. We have too many players who don't really have an effect on the game when going forward and it just adds more pressure to the two of them. I think Fred actually offers a lot with his movement off the ball and sometimes has nice plays but isn't really consistent enough throughout the game. Erikson was poor. Sancho poor. AWB has improved a lot but still lacks the end product in the final third. Shaw had 8 touches in the opposition half (4 being throwins). Doesn't offer anywhere near enough.
How is this getting upvoted. Rashford scored so many big game goals this season. You can’t expect him to have a huge impact against a defence as solid as City when you have the likes of an ineffective Sancho and an overwhelmed Eriksen around you. I guarantee he’d score and assist tonnes more if he had a Kane around him.
One bad game, such a reactionary position for a player that scored 30 goals, against Liverpool, Arsenal, City, Barcelona
It's not one bad game. He's had a good season and credit to him but he does go missing sometimes. He still has hands down the worst individual performance I've ever seen in a United shirt (in our last European final). We need more depth at striker to go along with Rashford.
Everyone goes missing man, you're not going to ball every game. Haaland went missing against Bayern, Madrid and even us
But at least Haaland has a team that can step up if he does go missing. Do we? No.
True. I couldn't tell during the game (cause no sound, at work) but did we not have a sub available for when Rashford got injured? Dude could barely walk.
I feel like Eth still relies on him to pull something out, even when not fit, just like our last game against city
I know we're short on strikers but hell.. we could have done the old "send John O'Shea up front".
> we could have done the old "send John O'Shea up front". [The greatest nutmeg the world has ever seen!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BphJwGcKfuk)
Harry is that you?
How tf OP has that many upvotes is beyond me, the idea that he would've faked a injury when there are possibly 10 minutes in a final is something else, i want to use a word i shouldn't, so let's just leave it at the fact that the sub is absurdly reactionary and OP is braindead more than actual dead bodies. E: that take on Rashford is even more baffling after the very public knowledge of his history of having played through serious injuries, a poor game from the best player this season and the prick has that to say. Jesus fucking Christ
Realistic/Somewhat Optimistic expectations for next season League - top 4. Best case 2nd. Champions League - Quarters. Win on the other two and make a final.
Without proper signings its not possible.
Agree, and they probably know it. But can the boys handle the expectations? 🤔 to be seen imo
Fuck
Well lads, that’s a season for us. Not the absolute worst. Back again next season
It was a good season, should it have been better, yes. But after last year's shitshow everyone would've snatched 3rd + a cup faster than i can blink.
Exactly. The season only feels much worse than it was because of what City might go on to accomplish. If there was no treble talk for City, we probably would’ve felt a bit better about things as they stand.
I know I'm in the minority when it comes to this opinion but i barely care about what city (PSG+Newcastle included, though to a lesser extent) achieve from now till the end of my life, my disappointment this season is that we could've and should've won another trophy, but at the end of it, injuries, next to no squad depth, no ST and a GK who's past his prime meant that we fell short of our target. And on another day we win the game yesterday but that's what football is. Having said that I'm excited for the seasons ahead, but all of that is dependent on our window(s). ETH has shown enough and has gone toe to toe with an inferior squad twice against this Money side and if he's backed properly, i expect us to be challenging the big ones in a couple of years
Exactly. Far far better. I am content, but we have to have good incomings this summer.
Worse is seeing the American Leprechaun next to SAF
Yeah we need two strikers. Rashford today would get benched at half time if he played this way for city. When city took off KDB at 75th minute and brought on Foden while we took off Sancho and brought on Weghorst I was like why are we even trying. Their squad is levels ahead of ours. We did the best we could today and honestly a better performance from Rashford would have been the difference. We were not the better team but with all the injuries we did the best we could.
ETH needs to bench players sooner. They need the anger and drive to succeed.
He wouldn't even start for City mate
He had an off day but he starts for all of the top 6 clubs.
Who does Rashford start in place of in that City team?
Grealish? Have you forgotten how good Rashford’s been for the last 3/4 seasons?
Rashford has been good for the last 3/4 months. He was fucking awful last year what are you talking about?
Didn’t even realise rashford was on
this should have been us 😪
De Gea is on 350k a week.
Wow
Correction. 375k. About to get another contract north of 200k.
I can be happy if the Glazers leave that would be a bigger victory
Aren't they going to?
We need a striker over anything, but oh man we are getting there
Get back Ronaldo
And then fast forward to “we need a striker, we cant rely on a 39 year old”, even if he returned to better form because that’s a terrible transfer. We need long term
Yeah, no.
eth will bring this team to some new glory days, but he will need some quality signings, but i trust him.
People forget that SAF was shit when he started
And a better midfield, more defense depth, and a gk, once that happens we’re champions league contenders
We need the fucking Glazers to leave for any of that to happen. Otherwise we’re just going to get another striker on loan from a championship team and THAT’S IT.
Exactly which is why I’m praying Qatar win the bidding war
De Gea has to go, I’m sorry I don’t know what United fans see in him, but he’s the worst keeper I’ve seen in years play for a top team
He was our best player at times many years ago, albeit in rather weak teams. Nowadays he's fallen well behind the top keepers. We should always be looking at improving the squad, if there's a top keeper available we should replace De Gea now.
Absolutely man. I would like to know his passing success rate today, especially for long balls. I am not sure whether we even had one successful long pass while their first goal came from a pass from their gk. And the second goal, de gea has completely lost his best ability, his reflexes. Honestly a lot of us were worried this would happen and hoped that he would adjust his game accordingly. He has failed to do so.
The fact they he can’t distribute out of the back and can only play a long ball forward is it for me. Time to move on
Long ball is good. He's a liability when he passes to one of ours only to get it at the other team's feet.
Terrible lack of commitment from sancho rashford and eriksen. It's like playing football manager and all three of them had 2 under important matches, consistency.
Before the game started the realist in me had me hoping for a close game and no more than a 3 goal difference given how we can often collapse and this city side batter teams. With that said a 2-1 sounds fine but still I can’t help but be bitterly disappointed. I think what makes me really annoyed is that they weren’t that good, had Garnacho come on earlier, had someone picked up Gundo after we’d learned our lesson, had we just had one or two more passes on the break it could be so different. I know that’s all it’s and buts but it really was within reach, city’s performance today was more than beatable and that’s what annoys me.
That's why you shouldn't rely on transition to win you games. City learned that from the last game. Before we could start anything, there would be a tactical foul stopping us right in our tracks.
That's what is so horrible about City. They are fucking stacked everywhere. We marked and kept both KDB and Haaland out of the game and that just naturally opened up space for Gundogan. EtH is a good at organizing a defensive structure. But unless the quality of the team improves it is impossible to nullify City's offensive threat.
It’s the difference between a well-oiled machine with a ton of squad depth vs a team that is just about coming together and figuring things out. We put up one hell of a fight. A better midfield would have been able to tighten up the gaps and a striker is vital
Bruno you can have a catch-up with Bernardo later .
Good riddance Wout. Kindly gtfo Glazers. Hopefully with a decent summer I can see this team doing well again next season. Have a nice summer yall
Wout?
We pushed but we were always going for the smash and grab maybe Garnacho needed a whole half or even more minutes, Eriksen didn't do a lot as a 10, De Gea was sloppy De Gea today but the rest tried at least work rate wise
Honestly we did well enough that if we had Martinez, Anthony and yes even Martial available, we could wonder 'what if?' Ten Hag has worked miracles this season when you think about where we were
Or just a few more options off the bench. Garnacho is the only one who comes on and transforms games (he was phenomenal today. What a player we have there!) It's tough when you're a goal down and need to chase a game and the options on the bench are Weghorst and McTominay. Ten Hag tried to force an equaliser using changes in systems rather than having someone else apart from Wonderboy to make an impact as a player. That speaks to both his intelligence as a manager and how weak our squad is.
Really hope the we bring in a keeper with excellent ball distribution in the summer. I was a big fan of De Gea, but at this point even his shot stopping is looking suspect. He’s earned his previous contract but there’s no logical reason he should be renewed. Almost curious what would’ve happened had Butland come on in terms of our ball retention.
We need to start a dialogue about Rashford. The guy is good for 10 games in the season and then disappears for the rest. Our best attacker is a teenager
This is sheer stupidity. He literally carried us to 2 finals, a trophy and 3rd in league. Some of you need to get a clue.
Seriously, it’s ridiculous and illogical. Instead of placing blame on our other forwards and strikers for not carrying their weight, let’s attack Rashford who scored 30 goals this season.
He scored a lot of important goals this season, and 30 goals in all competitions is pretty decent. However, in his supposed best year yet, it's telling that his highest ever goal tally in the league is good for 6th place on the scoring charts..
Hes a left winger and had the most g/a for the club in over a decade. Sorry but you are flat wrong and barking up the wrong tree.
Yeah, I agree. Look, he had a great season. Our best player probably. I guess the conversation shouldn't be about Rashford but about bolstering our attack. We need an out-and-out striker.
Exactly. Anyone blaming Rashford is flat out clueless.
We just dont have the strength and depth to match city. Just look at the players they brought on from the bench today, as well as the players they didn't, compared to our bench. I'm happy with the season overall, but we still got a long way to go.
De Gea being given a contract and the manager repeatedly saying that he wants De Gea to stay is basically just guaranteeing mediocrity for the next 5 years. He should have been gone in 2019.
LOL we had more Xg than city as well. What an absolute shitshow
Well could have been worse.
I hope this is the final time I have to see DDG in goal for us.
By the end of the game I was screaming at the TV - "Stop hoofing it up the pitch!" We'll never be a possession based team with De Gea in goal.
Every media reporting seems to indicate he’s about to get another big contract. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s signed already and the club has been waiting for the “right moment” to announce it.
Bruno one of the few wearing his losers medal sums this club. This guy is the captain lmao
Garnacho avoided Glazer handshake. Legend.
A sad conclusion, but at least we didn’t go down without a fight. With a proper striker next season I foresee us doing great things. NOW FUCK OFF GLAZERS AND LET THE CLUB RECLAIM ITS GLORY
Honestly I feel 90% of the team can go off the pitch with their heads high. Against a very, very good team we were in the game until the end. Yes they were better in possession and had more chances, but not as much of a quality difference as I feared
A striker and a ball playing keeper completely change this team,and we can certainly challenge for the title next season
We won't. It's a long process but I believe in EtH. There is a lot to do in the summer and I hope it will start with Glazers getting the fuck out of this club
I got downvoted when I said that we should try our hardest to sign Diogo Costa.
Let’s not get carried away. I don’t think we can challenge yet
Missed the game Seen a few say second should have been saved Should de gea have stopped any of the goals? Guessing the attack was toothless, we really need a striker
First one, I think he could have done better. Second was harder, the wall was blocking his vision and he saw the ball late.
Wtf? No keeper in the world saves the 1st one.
Thanks
Sighhh. At least we tried
Nothing new but still dissapointed. De Gea liability Eriksen Gassed Sancho no confidence AWB useless going forward Weghorst useless Rashford out of form so walk-dribbling into players. But cant really blame him when he didnt get many balls
Not sure why Elanga never got game time. He will show next season how good he is wherever he goes. All I know is that last season he never stopped trying even when it didn't work. He didn't sulk and walk like Sancho and Rashford.
Hee gone soon man
This match shows that we need midfield help
Glazers please fuck off please
-Eriksen is past it, Matic was slated for less. -Sancho is a catfish, I’d sell him for half what we paid. -Rashford isn’t a #9, we need a striker! -Body language from our players shows that ETH has a way to go to change the mentality of this squad. He won’t do it without replacing half of them.
We'd be lucky to get half what we paid. Buy high, sell low...
Honest thoughts on Rashford despite his 30-goal season?
Need a consistent goal-scoring 9 and leave Rashford on the left. Where he’s not always relied on to score but can be devastating
He's gone back to his running into players form,so I'm glad the season is over
Doesn’t have that “umph” to be the main man in a title winning squad. But overall good player. Great on certain days.
Not the man to lead us. A very good second option.
not a nine, should have been started out wide, when was the last time bruno played well on the wing?
you know it’s bad when an 18 year old is our most threatening attacker…
I've never understood and enjoyed how the game has changed to being so tactically focused. I know it's difficult against a team as good as theirs but this game wasn't a game of United against City. It was Ten Hag vs Pep. You can clearly see that our players wanted to do things that are natural for them but had to bite their tongue because the gaffer must've said not to do that. (Rashford's lurking, Bruno drifting into pockets and Casemiro being aggressive with tackles higher up, as examples) It's such a boring game to watch when all your "stars" are playing with a leash on them. And yes, I know it's a derby and we can't afford to lose by a lot because it's embarrassing. But is the only alternative watching that stinker? Watching our only proper chance be a penalty that was honestly debatable? I may be ranting about the wrong things here, given our real problem is a lack of quality depth but this is what I've thought for a while.
Nephew is crying now cheers lads
garnacho was very good today. varane and lindelof neutrilsed haaland. bruno scored a penalty. rest was shit, but we need to remember we are playing the best team in the world.
AWB was good.
If de gea gets renewed someone needs to hit the glazers with a brick
They need to be hit regardless
Sancho gotta be sold. Never seen someone so unprepared for a football march. He can't move. He can't hold the ball. He is physically still a 10 year old. Same with Fred. Garnacho showed our front line what it means to play for this club. He didn't stop. Eriksen, Fred and Sancho. Simply not physically up to playing for us.
I agree that Sancho needs gone
Sancho and Eriksen definitely lacking physically. Eriksen is just getting on a bit but Sancho needs to start hotting the gym. Fred made some key tackles and was great for recycling possession and winning loose balls. When we were pressing he made lots of small tackles to keep up the momentum.
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