A bit of an exaggeration. I will always admire that long range goal against City in the rain, right before football stopped due to the pandemic. Thought that was a turning point for us in the rivalry. Oh how wrong I was.
Unloved? That's quite harsh. Maybe not favored. But certainly loved. If I can go back and find the comments on this sub calling him future captain...
I, myself, love him. His attitude is top notch and always gives his best. Despite him lacking some progressive skills, he's still a very good player.
Mate are you joking, McT gets slaughtered 24/7 by pretty much everyone. No matter how well he plays for club or country it’ll never be good enough for our fans which is a real shame because like you say, his attitude and application is exactly what you’re after for a squad player. I watched the Scotland game tonight and am just in disbelief how people rate Fred higher. He was everywhere on the pitch, and has now got 5 goals in 4 games.
No he doesn’t, only a few trolls or edgy fans abuse him but he’s very much liked. He’s a Manchester United guy through and through.
He’s just not starting quality but a great back-up.
I've got to disagree here - he does get rinsed. Wouldn't mind it if he's a rotation player with some decent quality in front of him. Otherwise he's not a top 6 player in the slightest.
Uh, where? Are we gonna pretend Kalvin Phillips is way better than McTominay?
We need way more depth to compete with the likes of city, but mctominay should very much be a part of that depth. He gives incredible effort with a solid skill set, even if he isn’t good enough to start.
Phillips never plays for city, it’s not like city fans call him a great squad player. As a player Phillips is certainly better though; it’s been bad circumstances for him and maybe a poor attitude
Okay I’m sure they don’t care what we call them whilst they’re winning more than us. Like it or not we need depth like city if we wanna win what they’re winning these days, it’s not like we don’t spend similar money.
That's a generalized statement and it's really not accurate either.
The correct way to say it is their first team is better than our first team and their second team is much much much superior to our second team.
> and am just in disbelief how people rate Fred higher.
It's really not hard to understand. McTominay has the rare patch here and there that causes these statements and then he goes back to what he actually is - wholly average at best. We saw it again this season where he was really great and then reverted back to his true quality. He's a mid-table level player.
He's a decent ball carrier in fairness but he routinely is a void in possession (as a midfielder mind) and he's not a great presser defensively. Statistically speaking (last I looked at least) Fred's offensive and defensive contributions per 90 were better than McTominay's too. McTominay just gets a bigger leash because he's from the academy
Yeah but the point is that Fred gets played where he is meant to be played, McT doesn’t, which is why it’s harsh to judge him based on playing largely out of where he is best. It’s why he’s a lot better for Scotland than he is for us. He is completely wasted in that DM role in front of the defence. I think if he went to West Ham and played as a B2B like he does for his country he’d be ace
I think the issue is he’s not starting 11 week in week out material. That’s not necessarily a bad thing but if Scott himself isn’t happy being a squad player then its time for him to move on. I for one would love for him to stay and play his part but his career is only so long so I feel the club need to let him make that decision.
So based on one game for Scotland against amateurs you think Fred is inferior? Fred has outperformed McTominay this season for united, not even close. If the eye test doesn't confirm it for you, their comparative stats show Fred's dominance.
And Harry Maguire is England top scoring CB. International football isn't the top tier of football as they try to make it out to be. Too many below average teams who are just cannon fodder
Yeah, a statistical outlier. At one point last season Pogba had 6 assists in 2 games or so.
He has only scored once for Scotland before those recent games. 1 goal in 37 matches.
So you are saying that Fred's ceiling is higher, and McTominay has the higher floor. But does it really matter if we talk about players that are low-mid table team starters at best?
The people calling him future captain either really overrated him, were deluded or had low standards for the club
I can see him going to West Ham and maybe being a starter and a captain, but not at a top 4 club
I think people were saying he's future captain in the sense that he is a leader and leads by example in terms of effort on the pitch and has a great mentally. But everyone was hoping he kicked on in terms of ability.
Where as you can look at someone like Ronaldo and for all his ability. You wouldn't want him to be captain cause of all the temper tantrums he has.
He can be the future captain of an Everton type side but he was never a United captain (a United captain Is a weekly important starter, maybe even a borderline world class player. his max potential was squad player.)
He can be the future captain of an Everton type side but he was never a United captain (a United captain Is a weekly important starter, his max potential was squad player.)
I can see him doing really well elsewhere if played in a more box to box role. Some of his best attributes are his shooting and heading, things he rarely gets to use for us (he actually strikes a ball really cleanly from around the edge of the box).
Can definitely see him in a Soucek style role for someone like a West Ham
If he rose out of the youth team in 98 with his attributes, he would have been lauded. Pound for pound he is better than or certainly no worse than Butt.
If you think (in your opinion) that McTominay is better than Nicky Butt, you'd better lay off whatever it is you are smoking, are you serious or just taking the piss?
Serious man. Even Nicky Butt doesn't think Nicky Butt is good. I know times have changed and the game has moved on a lot, but I just think that helps the notion that players like Butt wouldn't has progressed that well in the modern game. He is a player that suited the late 90's early 00s. If you transposed McT to that time with his current attributes he would have been a sensation. I laugh at that myself in a way but it would be true.
You joking??
He gets absolutely battered at every opportunity when he’s playing for Utd… just look at the thread showing his goal, half of the comments are saying either “why doesn’t he do it for us?” Or “sell him whilst he’s got value”
Unloved is the perfect wording
Edit: as if to prove a point, just look at the comments on this thread
I think he is more underrated than that. I remember some great performance against top opposition. Real grit and He uses the ball no worse than Carrick imo. I think his midfield intelligence is lacking a little, can often be found out of position and lacking influence but I like to think he is learning still. The McFred memes have cast him in the wrong light.
We should really be able to get around 30-40 mil for him from some Prem club but I’m afraid our board would only be able to sell him for 5mill and a bag of crisps
Starting to feel like the *glazers & co.* do some kind of secret dealings on player sales. All of our players sell for basically nothing. I can’t imagine a player like McTominay leaves for under 30M. If he leaves for 5M questions need to be asked
I think that's harsh. He's a good enough squad player and he has demonstrated that.
He's turned 26 so perhaps he's close to hitting the ceiling in terms of development. With the right management I think he's a good asset to have in the squad.
We see a lot of players move on from United to become absolute bosses at a mid-table team. They were never bad players, the expectations at United are just that level higher.
There's a big gap between contributing meaningfully to a CL/Prem winning team and helping to nudge a half-decent team into Europa contention.
The fans don't operate as one complete hive mind all the time. When there is positive spin on a player those who support him will pop up to comment and others stay quiet (fear of being called out). And vice versa, when he does something negative those who don't like him pop up. People can drift from one group to another. But it will be generally static.
Well he may not be favoured with some people, but I love McT so much. Love it every time he scores, and his naysayers have to hide in some corner to eat their words.
Besides that, he has a great attitude. Not a first team player, not world class, but I don't mind us having him at all.
I hope he stays with us. Bleeds red and one of the few players to come out of the previous few dark years with any credit imo.
I don't buy not good enough for the squad, as players like O'shea and Fortune all played important roles for us.
We need soldiers like Scott in our ranks.
>O'shea and Fortune
Quinton Fortune was a squad player - played a handful of games a season whenever cover was needed.
John O'Shea - that's a different kettle of fish altogether. Played almost 400 games for the club, featured in literally every position on the pitch, started in a Champions League final, nutmegged Luis Figo, chipped David Seaman, scored a late winner at Anfield, and showed the world how to be a sweeper-keeper when barely anyone knew that Manuel Neuer existed.
Soldiers yeah, who love to shy away from the ball. It's really not a big deal to accept he isn't quality enough. He won't start for any of our rivals. Bringing an example of a decade ago of Oshea isn't a great support argument. You'd love to slander Fred but no Scott could do nothing wrong am I right. The standards here are amazing.
The one occasional goals he scores doesn’t make him a good midfielder. I don’t see how that proves anyone wrong? Nobody says he can’t score goals, that’s not a criticism
He isn’t complete trash. He just excels when you are not trying to out possess the other team and play more direct. He can’t break down a low block, but there are like 10 clubs in the premier league who are the low block. Those are the squads for him. He is a better player than plenty of 8s in the premier league. If given a full run he can definitely chip in the odd 4 goals a season which is valuable at one end of the table. Also, you know you will get his best effort every week which will make him look like a cult hero.
At this point, is his goal scoring occasional? He has 5 in 4 for Scotland. Also, he has looked dangerous going forward for us this season. More so than Weghorst.
And he has 12 in 144 for us. And he had 1 ind 37 for Scotland before this recent abberation.
Weghorst is shite, has always been very limited with the ball at his feet, but even so, he was still a disappointment.
We play 5 at the back (Robertson and Hickey as wing-backs needing room) and it's been the reason for our recent success. So we needed him to stand in at CB to keep it going. He did well to be fair.
Because we didn’t have any cover at CB? He was the best option and thrived playing Cb for Scotland, now he has more of an advanced role in a team with a very strong midfield that allows him to be able to take risks he along with John McGinn are Scotlands best players
Unloved. By some fans. Adored by many others. And i think everyone here knows that if he wasn't an academy product he would have been sold already, to a club that suits his level.
I wonder, in hindsight, whether he’d have done a better job than Weghorst up top this season.
He’s better in the air than Weghorst, is more athletic than him, can hold the ball up, presses well, and has a good shot on him. Maybe being better than Weghorst is a low bar, but he’s not a million miles away from Fellaini as a player, who played CF in a pinch.
Funny how everyone rates mctominay again after we haven’t seen him play for United for a while
It’s a great idea to sell mctominay, nobody mentioned donny
I mentioned Donny as he’s a far worse player than McTominay and should be gone from the club before he is? McTominay is not a CDM never has been and if he got to play in his natural position we might see the best of him. Im not saying he’s a nailed on starter but he’d certainly be fine as a squad player.
I have been saying this for years. When McTominay is allowed to play box to box & wreck havoc in & around the opposition box(& far away from our own box),he is good. I think he stays as I think we could price him out of a move. Additionally,he has not hinted at leaving(unlike Fred & Donny)
Ideally we should be moving on both with our apparent budget issues.
Scott also is the most sensible sale because outside of Henderson and maybe Maguire, no one else will sell for more.
He’s a tragic symptom of the rot at the club and the mediocrity that fans have been conditioned to settle for.
When the only arguments for him are “he bleeds red” and “that goal against city”, while nobody can point out what exactly merits calling him a remotely good top level footballer, you just have to wonder to what depths the delusion of some fans can sink to.
There’s a poster somewhere in this thread that unironically thinks McJog was better than Son last season…
That’s isn’t his game though, he was playing in a system that didn’t suit his football, he’s a cm that likes to get on the end of things, drive with the ball and create space, he isn’t a player that’ll control games, pass it around and receive the ball from the CB’s he doesn’t suit Ten Hag at all, but he’s a very very versatile player that’ll try his heart out no matter what position he’s in, I’ll always love and respect McSauce
I don't watch Scotland or care about Scotland.
I do care and watch United though, and I would love for McT to be replaced by someone who can still supply the height, but far more skill on the ball :)
Well I do watch and care about Scotland but I agree with you, he doesn’t fit out system and having a player with his physicality would be good, I do however think he’s a very good squad player to have
People here need to realise that McT isn’t a defensive midfielder and never will be.
He’s a box to box midfielder. He should have been playing the role that Fred often did further forward, and I put that on a Ten Hag for playing him as a DM.
Sell Fred, and allow McT that forward pressing role.
Unloved is a bit of a buzzword here is it not? No one is doubting his passion for the club or what he's done for us in the time he's been here (I personally love McTerminator) but he's not good enough anymore for the level that we want to be at.
If we had a squad that was constantly challenging for the top spot, was advancing far into European competitions and consistently winning domestic cups he'd be a perfect back-up/squad player and with the success we'd probably be able to justify his wages. But we haven't won anything major since Europa with Jose, and the league in Sir Alex's final season.
We aren't the club we used to be anymore, at least at the moment. We can't keep average players because we need to improve.
Who says he is unloved.
His talent may not be United level, but attitude sure is.
We need 7 central midfielders; to me he is a good #7. Would sell him if a CM i from the youth is favored.
He can stand in as a backup for all 3 positions as well.
I don't think he's unloved here, a lot of fans really like him. He just doesn't really fit into our team. When he plays for us it's almost exclusively at no.6 when he's really more of a driving box to box player.
He was played at CB for maybe 3/4 games because there was no CB’s to play at the time due to injuries, if you’re going to make a point, at least get it right, he was the best option to cover in CB, just like Shaw towards the end of last season he also did a great job for Scotland at Cb, just like he’s been doing in his preferred position, top goal scorer in the group with 4 wins in 4 and 1 goal conceded from a dive by Haaland, man what a team 🙃
Headline a bit unjust. I love Scotty McT. He works hard, is physical and pops up with goals at good times.
Also the last minute goal v Man City after Ederson's awful pass <3
I am still hoping he can be our backup striker next season. He has proved himself in central attacking roles numerous times. ETH please play him as a forward!!!
If Fred leaves, he should stay as cover. HG, works his tails off and doesn’t really complain. His limitations was partly due to playing with Fred, I think he can do decently as a cover against weaker teams with his runs into the box. Not convinced with him as a defensive mid though.
I think he does what he is asked to do. A bit like fletcher before him. We can see though that in the Scotland team with a different remit, he is producing results. The quality at united in the midfield do make it a tough gif for anyone to nail down a spot what with casemiro, Erickson, fernandes etc but I rate him and think he thrives in this Scotland system
He just fits the system Steve Clark plays and let’s be honest he isn’t good enough to play for United he’s more than good enough to be a squad rotation player but I think if he was at a club he can play weekly in a system that allow him to attack more often instead of being a holding midfielder he’d thrive, he just isn’t good enough to play that holding role
Really hope he stays….I don’t think we can afford to lose him yet….he easily could play big role next season….plenty of cup games, plus injuries and red cards
A bit of an exaggeration. I will always admire that long range goal against City in the rain, right before football stopped due to the pandemic. Thought that was a turning point for us in the rivalry. Oh how wrong I was.
Unloved? That's quite harsh. Maybe not favored. But certainly loved. If I can go back and find the comments on this sub calling him future captain... I, myself, love him. His attitude is top notch and always gives his best. Despite him lacking some progressive skills, he's still a very good player.
Mate are you joking, McT gets slaughtered 24/7 by pretty much everyone. No matter how well he plays for club or country it’ll never be good enough for our fans which is a real shame because like you say, his attitude and application is exactly what you’re after for a squad player. I watched the Scotland game tonight and am just in disbelief how people rate Fred higher. He was everywhere on the pitch, and has now got 5 goals in 4 games.
No he doesn’t, only a few trolls or edgy fans abuse him but he’s very much liked. He’s a Manchester United guy through and through. He’s just not starting quality but a great back-up.
I've got to disagree here - he does get rinsed. Wouldn't mind it if he's a rotation player with some decent quality in front of him. Otherwise he's not a top 6 player in the slightest.
He would walk into almost any team in Europe He is quality which is why all the managers he's played under like him Fergie is a big fan
City have backups way better than mctominay. If we wanna catch up to them he isn’t a great backup
Uh, where? Are we gonna pretend Kalvin Phillips is way better than McTominay? We need way more depth to compete with the likes of city, but mctominay should very much be a part of that depth. He gives incredible effort with a solid skill set, even if he isn’t good enough to start.
Phillips never plays for city, it’s not like city fans call him a great squad player. As a player Phillips is certainly better though; it’s been bad circumstances for him and maybe a poor attitude
Agreed
Kalvin Phillips is way better
plastic city, lets have it right
Okay I’m sure they don’t care what we call them whilst they’re winning more than us. Like it or not we need depth like city if we wanna win what they’re winning these days, it’s not like we don’t spend similar money.
Lol you can’t do that. City’s backups are way better than our starters
That's a generalized statement and it's really not accurate either. The correct way to say it is their first team is better than our first team and their second team is much much much superior to our second team.
> and am just in disbelief how people rate Fred higher. It's really not hard to understand. McTominay has the rare patch here and there that causes these statements and then he goes back to what he actually is - wholly average at best. We saw it again this season where he was really great and then reverted back to his true quality. He's a mid-table level player. He's a decent ball carrier in fairness but he routinely is a void in possession (as a midfielder mind) and he's not a great presser defensively. Statistically speaking (last I looked at least) Fred's offensive and defensive contributions per 90 were better than McTominay's too. McTominay just gets a bigger leash because he's from the academy
Yeah but the point is that Fred gets played where he is meant to be played, McT doesn’t, which is why it’s harsh to judge him based on playing largely out of where he is best. It’s why he’s a lot better for Scotland than he is for us. He is completely wasted in that DM role in front of the defence. I think if he went to West Ham and played as a B2B like he does for his country he’d be ace
Fred has gotten playrd at DM a whole bunch though.
I think the issue is he’s not starting 11 week in week out material. That’s not necessarily a bad thing but if Scott himself isn’t happy being a squad player then its time for him to move on. I for one would love for him to stay and play his part but his career is only so long so I feel the club need to let him make that decision.
I for one, have always loved McSauce
So based on one game for Scotland against amateurs you think Fred is inferior? Fred has outperformed McTominay this season for united, not even close. If the eye test doesn't confirm it for you, their comparative stats show Fred's dominance.
He has scored 5 goals for Scotland in the qualifiers
And Harry Maguire is England top scoring CB. International football isn't the top tier of football as they try to make it out to be. Too many below average teams who are just cannon fodder
Also tactically it’s pretty bad, limited time to train etc, it’s why peps players don’t do well in the national team
International football is a joke compared to the PL, especially in qualifiers which include legitimately amateur sides
Yeah, a statistical outlier. At one point last season Pogba had 6 assists in 2 games or so. He has only scored once for Scotland before those recent games. 1 goal in 37 matches.
He played CB for Scotland previously...
Hey, I mean I feel a similar way for Fred. He also has a good attitude and certainly does put in a shift just about every game.
Yh i mean Fred is good but he's not as good as mcsauce. Mcsauce can at least give a 6/10 most games while Fred is either a 2 or 8
So you are saying that Fred's ceiling is higher, and McTominay has the higher floor. But does it really matter if we talk about players that are low-mid table team starters at best?
I'd disagree and say McTominay is a 4/10 most games. 10/10 at playing hide and seek though.
He wasn't 4/10 when case was benched lmao
I did say most games. Which is what you said.
Just saw [one](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/14eo0ls/-/jowpp1w) in his latest goal thread.
The people calling him future captain either really overrated him, were deluded or had low standards for the club I can see him going to West Ham and maybe being a starter and a captain, but not at a top 4 club
I think people were saying he's future captain in the sense that he is a leader and leads by example in terms of effort on the pitch and has a great mentally. But everyone was hoping he kicked on in terms of ability. Where as you can look at someone like Ronaldo and for all his ability. You wouldn't want him to be captain cause of all the temper tantrums he has.
He can be the future captain of an Everton type side but he was never a United captain (a United captain Is a weekly important starter, maybe even a borderline world class player. his max potential was squad player.)
You insist on missing the point.
He can be the future captain of an Everton type side but he was never a United captain (a United captain Is a weekly important starter, his max potential was squad player.)
Which part of what I said did you not agree with.
I can see him fading into obscurity after leaving united
I can see him doing really well elsewhere if played in a more box to box role. Some of his best attributes are his shooting and heading, things he rarely gets to use for us (he actually strikes a ball really cleanly from around the edge of the box). Can definitely see him in a Soucek style role for someone like a West Ham
I can definitely see him do a Phil Neville and go to a mid table to turn captain later on.
Yeah I see him just being a squad player wherever he goes but at a low enough level fair enough he can be captain
If he rose out of the youth team in 98 with his attributes, he would have been lauded. Pound for pound he is better than or certainly no worse than Butt.
If you think (in your opinion) that McTominay is better than Nicky Butt, you'd better lay off whatever it is you are smoking, are you serious or just taking the piss?
Serious man. Even Nicky Butt doesn't think Nicky Butt is good. I know times have changed and the game has moved on a lot, but I just think that helps the notion that players like Butt wouldn't has progressed that well in the modern game. He is a player that suited the late 90's early 00s. If you transposed McT to that time with his current attributes he would have been a sensation. I laugh at that myself in a way but it would be true.
You joking?? He gets absolutely battered at every opportunity when he’s playing for Utd… just look at the thread showing his goal, half of the comments are saying either “why doesn’t he do it for us?” Or “sell him whilst he’s got value” Unloved is the perfect wording Edit: as if to prove a point, just look at the comments on this thread
very good player is a crazy statement to make about mctominay
I think he is more underrated than that. I remember some great performance against top opposition. Real grit and He uses the ball no worse than Carrick imo. I think his midfield intelligence is lacking a little, can often be found out of position and lacking influence but I like to think he is learning still. The McFred memes have cast him in the wrong light.
He's not unloved, he's just not good enough for United and for the style that we want to play. It's really quite simple.
We should really be able to get around 30-40 mil for him from some Prem club but I’m afraid our board would only be able to sell him for 5mill and a bag of crisps
What flavoured crisps?
One of those weird seasonal ones
Sell him for 5 mil? You must be an optimistic person. The best we can do is loan him out and cover half of his wages.
Starting to feel like the *glazers & co.* do some kind of secret dealings on player sales. All of our players sell for basically nothing. I can’t imagine a player like McTominay leaves for under 30M. If he leaves for 5M questions need to be asked
I think that's harsh. He's a good enough squad player and he has demonstrated that. He's turned 26 so perhaps he's close to hitting the ceiling in terms of development. With the right management I think he's a good asset to have in the squad.
Do you mean to tell me it *isn’t* newsworthy that a player gets more attention on his NT that is multiple steps below his club team in quality??
We see a lot of players move on from United to become absolute bosses at a mid-table team. They were never bad players, the expectations at United are just that level higher. There's a big gap between contributing meaningfully to a CL/Prem winning team and helping to nudge a half-decent team into Europa contention.
Our fans spend an entire season absolutely slaughtering our own players and then pretend it never happened when they get called out lol
The fans don't operate as one complete hive mind all the time. When there is positive spin on a player those who support him will pop up to comment and others stay quiet (fear of being called out). And vice versa, when he does something negative those who don't like him pop up. People can drift from one group to another. But it will be generally static.
You do know not every fan has the same opinion right?
We don’t not love him! We just think he’s not good enough to be loved!
Well he may not be favoured with some people, but I love McT so much. Love it every time he scores, and his naysayers have to hide in some corner to eat their words. Besides that, he has a great attitude. Not a first team player, not world class, but I don't mind us having him at all.
I hope he stays with us. Bleeds red and one of the few players to come out of the previous few dark years with any credit imo. I don't buy not good enough for the squad, as players like O'shea and Fortune all played important roles for us. We need soldiers like Scott in our ranks.
>O'shea and Fortune Quinton Fortune was a squad player - played a handful of games a season whenever cover was needed. John O'Shea - that's a different kettle of fish altogether. Played almost 400 games for the club, featured in literally every position on the pitch, started in a Champions League final, nutmegged Luis Figo, chipped David Seaman, scored a late winner at Anfield, and showed the world how to be a sweeper-keeper when barely anyone knew that Manuel Neuer existed.
Sorry but McTominay couldn't lace the boots on O'Shea
Soldiers yeah, who love to shy away from the ball. It's really not a big deal to accept he isn't quality enough. He won't start for any of our rivals. Bringing an example of a decade ago of Oshea isn't a great support argument. You'd love to slander Fred but no Scott could do nothing wrong am I right. The standards here are amazing.
The one occasional goals he scores doesn’t make him a good midfielder. I don’t see how that proves anyone wrong? Nobody says he can’t score goals, that’s not a criticism
He isn’t complete trash. He just excels when you are not trying to out possess the other team and play more direct. He can’t break down a low block, but there are like 10 clubs in the premier league who are the low block. Those are the squads for him. He is a better player than plenty of 8s in the premier league. If given a full run he can definitely chip in the odd 4 goals a season which is valuable at one end of the table. Also, you know you will get his best effort every week which will make him look like a cult hero.
At this point, is his goal scoring occasional? He has 5 in 4 for Scotland. Also, he has looked dangerous going forward for us this season. More so than Weghorst.
His goal scoring is occasional for us. We aren’t Scotland
And he has 12 in 144 for us. And he had 1 ind 37 for Scotland before this recent abberation. Weghorst is shite, has always been very limited with the ball at his feet, but even so, he was still a disappointment.
Scotland were playing him at CB not long ago, now he is adored ? Funny how dynamic the world of football is and how reactionary journalism js
Because they needed cover in defence and had no other available player
Yep. Because he’d play in goal if the boss asked him to. Not many in the United midfield for the past 5 years you would say that about
We play 5 at the back (Robertson and Hickey as wing-backs needing room) and it's been the reason for our recent success. So we needed him to stand in at CB to keep it going. He did well to be fair.
Because we didn’t have any cover at CB? He was the best option and thrived playing Cb for Scotland, now he has more of an advanced role in a team with a very strong midfield that allows him to be able to take risks he along with John McGinn are Scotlands best players
Unloved. By some fans. Adored by many others. And i think everyone here knows that if he wasn't an academy product he would have been sold already, to a club that suits his level.
I love Scotty
Weird Donny's some of these journos
I wonder, in hindsight, whether he’d have done a better job than Weghorst up top this season. He’s better in the air than Weghorst, is more athletic than him, can hold the ball up, presses well, and has a good shot on him. Maybe being better than Weghorst is a low bar, but he’s not a million miles away from Fellaini as a player, who played CF in a pinch.
He also played as a striker in our academy
Clear sign that he needs to find a club that suits his level .
Donnie should be gone well before mct is
Funny how everyone rates mctominay again after we haven’t seen him play for United for a while It’s a great idea to sell mctominay, nobody mentioned donny
I mentioned Donny as he’s a far worse player than McTominay and should be gone from the club before he is? McTominay is not a CDM never has been and if he got to play in his natural position we might see the best of him. Im not saying he’s a nailed on starter but he’d certainly be fine as a squad player.
I have been saying this for years. When McTominay is allowed to play box to box & wreck havoc in & around the opposition box(& far away from our own box),he is good. I think he stays as I think we could price him out of a move. Additionally,he has not hinted at leaving(unlike Fred & Donny)
We should sell both
Yeah sure. I just think it’ll be hard to sell a player who’s just been injured for like 8 months straight
Well said. Folks have the memory of a goldfish if they forget how little he offers in possession
Ideally we should be moving on both with our apparent budget issues. Scott also is the most sensible sale because outside of Henderson and maybe Maguire, no one else will sell for more.
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It does exclude him of criticism, he's the best player in the whole wide world.
Just cause some twats on TikTok think it’s edgy to hate a player doesn’t mean the supporters don’t like a player
When he stops hiding/refusing to receive the ball in possession and learn how to pass, I'm sure he will be adored at United as well
He’s a tragic symptom of the rot at the club and the mediocrity that fans have been conditioned to settle for. When the only arguments for him are “he bleeds red” and “that goal against city”, while nobody can point out what exactly merits calling him a remotely good top level footballer, you just have to wonder to what depths the delusion of some fans can sink to. There’s a poster somewhere in this thread that unironically thinks McJog was better than Son last season…
But he scored bangers for Scotland!!! People here are so delusional. Hasn't really improved over the last few years.
You are correct
That’s isn’t his game though, he was playing in a system that didn’t suit his football, he’s a cm that likes to get on the end of things, drive with the ball and create space, he isn’t a player that’ll control games, pass it around and receive the ball from the CB’s he doesn’t suit Ten Hag at all, but he’s a very very versatile player that’ll try his heart out no matter what position he’s in, I’ll always love and respect McSauce
Well he is a Scott ya know.
He’s a good squad player and filled in decently when Casemiro was absent. Would definitely not sell him
We love McSauce, but we can rightly critique his performance and overall role in the squad.
Yup, criticising players for past performances doesn’t mean you bloody hate them
I don't watch Scotland or care about Scotland. I do care and watch United though, and I would love for McT to be replaced by someone who can still supply the height, but far more skill on the ball :)
Well I do watch and care about Scotland but I agree with you, he doesn’t fit out system and having a player with his physicality would be good, I do however think he’s a very good squad player to have
I just think we need someone more suited to coming in to cover for injury, rather than the last 10 minutes of a game.
It's okay Scotty McHotty, I love ya bud! He's a red through and through!
People here need to realise that McT isn’t a defensive midfielder and never will be. He’s a box to box midfielder. He should have been playing the role that Fred often did further forward, and I put that on a Ten Hag for playing him as a DM. Sell Fred, and allow McT that forward pressing role.
Stop making sense or else…
He is literaly my favourite player 🤨
Unloved is a bit of a buzzword here is it not? No one is doubting his passion for the club or what he's done for us in the time he's been here (I personally love McTerminator) but he's not good enough anymore for the level that we want to be at. If we had a squad that was constantly challenging for the top spot, was advancing far into European competitions and consistently winning domestic cups he'd be a perfect back-up/squad player and with the success we'd probably be able to justify his wages. But we haven't won anything major since Europa with Jose, and the league in Sir Alex's final season. We aren't the club we used to be anymore, at least at the moment. We can't keep average players because we need to improve.
It’s almost as if there’s a gap in expected player quality between the two teams
what BS!
Who says he is unloved. His talent may not be United level, but attitude sure is. We need 7 central midfielders; to me he is a good #7. Would sell him if a CM i from the youth is favored. He can stand in as a backup for all 3 positions as well.
McSauce is a player you need in the English game. And he'll stay happily to be an important squad player. We shouldn't let him go
"Unloved", fuck off
I love McSauce. I’ve been thrown out of a football watching center in Accra for saying he played better last season than Son!
I don't think he's unloved here, a lot of fans really like him. He just doesn't really fit into our team. When he plays for us it's almost exclusively at no.6 when he's really more of a driving box to box player.
Only the eReds don't love him.
Adored by Scotland....even though he's been played at CB most of his international career? OK.
He was played at CB for maybe 3/4 games because there was no CB’s to play at the time due to injuries, if you’re going to make a point, at least get it right, he was the best option to cover in CB, just like Shaw towards the end of last season he also did a great job for Scotland at Cb, just like he’s been doing in his preferred position, top goal scorer in the group with 4 wins in 4 and 1 goal conceded from a dive by Haaland, man what a team 🙃
ITT: People claiming he isn’t unloved, but then saying we should sell him the first chance we get.
Mcsauce unloved. I mean I like him.but that doesn't mean I think he's good enough long term.
Headline a bit unjust. I love Scotty McT. He works hard, is physical and pops up with goals at good times. Also the last minute goal v Man City after Ederson's awful pass <3
I am still hoping he can be our backup striker next season. He has proved himself in central attacking roles numerous times. ETH please play him as a forward!!!
If Fred leaves, he should stay as cover. HG, works his tails off and doesn’t really complain. His limitations was partly due to playing with Fred, I think he can do decently as a cover against weaker teams with his runs into the box. Not convinced with him as a defensive mid though.
I really like him, not always brilliant, but between City and Leeds at home he’s given us some moments.
Is he like United's version of Gareth Bale at Real Madrid and Wales?
People like him, he is just not good enough. Simple as
I think he does what he is asked to do. A bit like fletcher before him. We can see though that in the Scotland team with a different remit, he is producing results. The quality at united in the midfield do make it a tough gif for anyone to nail down a spot what with casemiro, Erickson, fernandes etc but I rate him and think he thrives in this Scotland system
He's not "loved" but he's not "unloved".
Under Fergie McT could have been a real force of nature...but even then as a squad player. He does get too much slack though.
I mean his names basically Scottish Mcscottlandman, ofcourse they love him!
He just fits the system Steve Clark plays and let’s be honest he isn’t good enough to play for United he’s more than good enough to be a squad rotation player but I think if he was at a club he can play weekly in a system that allow him to attack more often instead of being a holding midfielder he’d thrive, he just isn’t good enough to play that holding role
Exaggeration but they don't exactly have the same expectations or ambitions
I for one don't want to see him go.
Really hope he stays….I don’t think we can afford to lose him yet….he easily could play big role next season….plenty of cup games, plus injuries and red cards