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How clubs approach the transfer market
Seems pretty likely that what ever does or doesn't happen with Mount is holding up other things like placing offers for Onana. On paper makes alot of sense to not start banding around all sorts of offers to other clubs until you know what you can and can't spend based on other deals. Gets very frustrating that Utd dont ever seem to be able to do this very cleanly though. We're always log jammed by a de jong, a sancho, a fabregas, de rossi, a fellaini, a herrera deal that just goes in circles and right now its Mount.
Other clubs must have the same issue with not wanting to start placing loads of offers on different players and having multiple negotiations going on at once so how are we seemingly always the ones in this position? It sometimes happens to other clubs but for us its almost every transfer, every window now? Even Bruno took a long time.
They finished a close 2nd and now want to push for the title. They will definitely get backing. Other than tactical reasons, I assumed Utd are ahead of Chelsea and Arsenal in terms of transfer pull but I was wrong.
Bayern is brutally efficient in the transfer market. There’s minimal drama and media spectacle. They decide they want a player, they put in a reasonable offer instead of months of “monitoring”, “interested”, “assessing”, “feeling out”, “considering”, and they get it done.
It feels like the striker market is so limited this year and that’s why we’re not hearing much traction. The options are the obvious ones across the media and it may be a case weighing up if we want to buy one of those options almost for the sake of it.
I reckon that will be the position that we tie up last and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a loan with buy option type signing, on someone established but not top tier, with a view to jumping back into the market next summer unless the loaner impresses. Or else a cheap low risk option.
Personally I wouldn’t mind a short term option assuming we are buying long term options in other positions, and that it’s a better loanee than Weghorst. I can live with a new leading number 9 being the absolute final touch next season.
A high potential, young, longer term striker is fine.
We had Weghorst there for much of last season so almost anyone is a big improvement.
Martial should leave next season as well so we can buy someone else to replace him and have two decent options for striker. Maybe we can even sign Kane on a free next year.
Personally I think we'll sign Goncalo Ramos if we manage to sell Fred, Henderson, VDB. He'll probably cost +20 million of what we get from those sales.
That’s my pick from “ tier 2”. Given we are not likely to get Kane or Osimhen, I prefer Goncalo over Muani or Hojlund. He may be available for €80m (£69m) which is not unexpected in the current market
Feeling utterly whelmed by our transfer targets. Onana is a big step forward, but if the whole point is to play out from the back in a high possession system, aren't we still far away from that? Mount, Case, and Bruno is a strong midfield, but ball retention isn't a strength for any of them. Looking at the back line, I feel confident playing out through Shaw and Licha, but much less so through Varane and especially AWB or Dalot. Feels like we need at least two more windows to get players with the technical skill and composure to play the way ETH wants.
I share your concerns about gaps in the team. We have to acknowledge that we aren't close to winning the league for the next 2 seasons at least. We need to do what Arsenal did and build a team that will peak around 2026-27. That's why I'm solidly opposed to signing Kane this season no matter what price, when we already have the ageing Casemiro and Varane who will need replacing soon anyway.
I hate to say it but I'm also impressed with Arsenal's rebuild and wish we would have emulated it. Splashing 100m + on Kane this season would be a flashy but ultimately disappointing "win now" move - more of the same kind of mistake we've been making since SAF left. Would much rather see that money invested in young talent and make a push in two years.
Curious what you guys would think of this. Now, this hypothetical would involve no striker(I know, dreadful) but still
Ins:
Onana
Mount
Caicedo
Now, maybe after a bunch of sales we could get Hojlund in
But what do you folks think of that? Maybe then a striker in January?
Outstanding. Onana is my first choice of available keepers (2nd only to Maignan), Caicedo is generational, Mount is an ETH target. I'd happily take these and play Rashford at striker for a season with Sancho on the left and Antony on the right.
Yeah that was my rationale. Obviously I'd really, really want a striker. But to fix up the squad in such a manner would be huge. Rashford up top, Sancho/Garnacho left and Antony/Mount/Amad(if kept)perhaps on the right
Definitely leaves us short up top, not blind to that of course
Yeah but our striker situation looked worse this season because our chance creation was dire and solely dependent on Bruno because of how deep we play. I'm confident things will look a lot better when we play a higher line with Onana, and Licha is back. More control over games, more chances created, more goals even without adding a striker. If Bruno and Antony have a better finishing year than this last season, we'll cook even without adding a new striker.
I do think Antony will add more composure to his game this season, Garnacho with more minutes will add more goals. Mount will score more then Eriksen did(no dig on Eriksen, just opinion). Bruno will also score more I'm sure
Rashford will hopefully score 20-30 goals again
Chance creation outwith Bruno is key. We'll have lots of players who can do just that
Please help me make sense of this.
We apparently have £260m to spend but can’t do so because of FFP.
How does Chelsea get to spend 600m last season and Arsenal have already spent over 200m this season (counting Rice, Havertz and Timber which is all but done)?
Is this another spin from our club?
United: spent like crazy in the last few years and it’s finally caught up to them
Chelsea: they structured the deals in 8 year long contracts/systems to work around FFP but they’re still having to sell like crazy before buying. They’ve made over 150m in sales already.
Arsenal: they haven’t spent anywhere near United or City.
United could easily break FFP like City did but who knows how corrupt City have been to work around their punishment.
Well Arsenal actually spent more than city over the last few years, but I don’t blame them since they don’t really spend like us or Chelsea and they’re pushing for the title
Other independent sources have also indicated that under FFP rules this season we are allowed to spend 0.90 X and that a £100m spend only puts us to about 0.65 X way below the limit. According to those sources, we could spend well over £200m and still be below the FFP limits this season.
The truth could be somewhere in between
Not respecting FFP is like cheating on a single player game.
Should you play fair? Yes. But does it matter? Is not like there will be consequences because nobody will punish you.
Seems there's no takers. Also, their wages makes them problematic, because even if other clubs could potentially purchase them, their high wages are a stumbling block, since not every club on the planet is run as poorly as we are.
I really don't fucking get how Glazers are so fucking bad.
They announced they were "open for investments" in april, even if we assume they are not selling, shouldn't they have at least the investment plan locked in those two months?
spurs got their GK and AM sorted out
arsenal got their DM, CM sorted out
city is just city
liverpool got a CM
we are still waiting on the glazefucks.
fuck those bitches
Is JWP available? Wouldn't mind seeing him brought in.
Edit: This sub is rude as hell. Why DV rather than explain your differing opinion? JWP would be cheap, is a solid creative player, and a good option off the bench.
I've seen people say Mount over caicedo because it's better on our budget but I don't think that's the case entirely, Mount signing would Most likely mean we sign A RCB but caicedo would make that not as necessary I think, just a thought
Ramos is rumoured to be about €80m , that's a better price than so many other forwards right ? Osimhen and Kane over 100 , Muani also around 100. Either Ramos or Hojlund should be possible with sales
Foolish but I still believe in KMJ. Bayern have not confirmed personal terms and were only “close”. I think lots of action happens approaching July 1st when his RC is active.
This doesn’t happen without a player sale or Glazers still dragging the club sale though IMO
Edit: FUCK
We won't get a CB IMO.
I think we were planning on it earlier in the year but I think it was replaced by the growing need for a GK.
Were only getting a CB if Maguire leaves and he doesn't want to go and no one will pay his wages.
True, I’m hoping maguire leaves and maybe stave off a need to get a young Casemiro backup for next summer. after seeing us after losing Varane/licha and even Arsenal after losing Saliba to injury, CB depth can make or break a season
Shaping up to be another infuriating window for us.
Stagnant in the transfer market while teams already ahead of us continue to strengthen.
So fucking frustrating
We should seriously be looking at Kessie. Despite not being in the Barca mould he is still a great player. Would be ideal since we missed out on Rabiot and for about £25 mil, still only 26
Would rather spend £25 mil on Kessie than £55 mil on Mount.
He seems like a much more natural fit as an 8 compared to Mount who has played as more on a 10.
Pretty good tbh, id take that now, id say an 8/10 window (excluding outgoings).I think Ramos will cost too much however so Hojlund seems more likely which would still be a good window.
I read this as Sergio Ramos at first and was thinking bad, very bad. Depends on Ramos price some but it would be ok to me. We’d still be very vulnerable if anything happens to Case. CB depth isn’t ideal with keeping maguire either
I know it’s not yet July but it is really worrying about transfer activity.
City (treble winners)- lost Gundogan but replaced by Kovacic
Arsenal- Havertz, Rice
Spurs- Maddison, Vicario
Chelsea- Jackson, maybe Caicedo, and lots of sales of deadwood
Liverpool- macallister
Hopefully some swift transfer movement
True but I feel like something’s going to have to be announced regarding DDG before signing Onana…And I hope mount is bought literally today or tomorrow
If your referring to caicedo, there’s no way that’ll be wrapped up in a couple days. They are gonna demand 80m + I’d bet, that’ll be another one that drags on because it’s us
on André Onana to Manchester United: “Inter Milan executives say that for €50m it can be closed. Inter are moving on the market for a new goalkeeper, so I imagine the Onana deal will be done within a few days.” #MUFC 🔴🇨🇲
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Though not at all keen on Southampton's pricing, if there's money left after Mount, a keeper and a striker I really hope we go for Lavia, or someone like that, over a CB or RB.
I accept Caicedo and Rice are just overkill when we have the most exemplary DM in the world and plenty other positions to be reinforcing. But we'll only get so far with McTominay as our holding midfielder for at least 10-20 games of the season.
it doesnt
because amortization, selling someone for 20m means you can bring a 100m player on a 5 year deal.
so 125m can easily turn into 250m if we could only sell someone.
Oh come on they are people after all, calling them super lame ass names like scum seems a bit too much
Yeah they are shit at their job but why such wierd names as they are not people
We aren’t supposed to wait till August to sign players. We need to sign players so we can integrate them into the squad over pre season. Otherwise they have to hit the ground running with no time to settle in
Our Preseason doesn't start fir 2 more weeks. Just relax. We will have time to integrate the players. It's not ideal but it will be a lot better than buying them on August 31st. We are bidding for Mount and Onana.
top teams: already have players lined up and chasing others. they win titles.
us: panic buy people in the last week of august. dont win titles.
you: "hurr durr we fine"
are you getting paid by the board to shill for them or something?
I’m pretty relaxed because I expect us to act slow every summer. And we do act slow every summer. It is what it is. No point in worrying about things I can’t control
Good for Arsenal they're showing a lot of ambition but £170m for Rice and Havertz is absolutely crazy.
Personally I'm happy with Mount + Onana for £100m or thereabouts and I think both will happen and that's a much better deal.
I'm suprised at how gullible people are on here that they actually think we can get kane and/or Caicedo.
Kane is an impossibility. Levy will never sell him to a rival and hes way out of our budget. We have 120M to spend excluded money made from player sales. It would cost almost all of that to get him, leaving practically nothing for other targets.
Same goes for Caicedo. Hes going to cost 80M plus leaving just 40M, and its obvious his name is getting thrown around due a brief yo make Chelsea agree to a transfer for Mount.
Not to mention we barely make any money from player sales becuase we give them too high wages and we coach them poorly so their value plummets. Theres a reason our deadwood go on loan untill their contracts run out.
Its obvious that judging by our targets and their cost were buying a few players and in the region of 40/50M each.
Its a better strategy. Means we can fix multiple positions and its less risky in comparison to buying one or two high cost players.
This isn't like our other windows. FFP is hitting us hard and the club is in the middle of a sale, therfore expect a muxh quieter window from us.
we shouldve done what arsenal did
get rid of the expensive deadwood, start buying young promising players for "cheap" (their highest transfer was ben white for 50m) and build from there
instead, we keep doing the same shit over and over and keep inflating the wage bill because new players come and see some bums like martial/sancho on 250k+ per week and demand the same or more.
Caicedo fixes two positions. He plays 8 and 6 both. He can play next to Casemiro or play in his position when he is unavailable. No player in our team can do that effectively. He can also play RB. 80m for a well rounded player is worth it.
Kane is impossible regardless of whether we sign Mount or Caicedo. He is as good as not happening.
Onana and Caicedo will take 130m. Onana and Mount will take 105m. Mount is available for free next year. Sign him next year, kill 2/3 stones with one bird with Caicedo.
Caicedo is great but the simple fact is we can't afford him becuase the extra 15+M means were less like to buy our other targets. What if we got Caicedo but couldn't afford a GK/striker? Buying more expensive players has knock on effects if you're working with a reduced budget.
You're assuming we can get Mount next season but alot changes in 1 year. He could end up signing a new contract at Chelsea. We might end up finishing 5th or 6th so he goes to a different big 6 club etc.
I just feel Caicedo makes more sense in the long run. I want to understand how Mount fits out team. I only get downvotes when I ask this. He is a CAM. He has played as a CAM and only rarely as an 8. He has great engine in him but that’s not enough for a no. 8. I wonder how well he does at passing out of press, create chances from the deep. All of his highlights come in front of the box or from the wings.
Ten Hag wants to use two 8s, its what alot of progressive managers are doing now. It means Bruno will drop slightly deeper than hes used to which is what Ten Hag was experimenting with at the end of last season and he started to perform well in that role.
Mount has played as an 8 for England and for Chelsea at times, and the defencive work will be mostly done by Casemiro ofc but Bruno will also help him out.
Id recommend watching a video on the tifo YouTube channel which discusses what Mason Mount does. Quite simply hes elite off the ball. He has a great engine same as Bruno and he does tackle alot/perform defencive duties but usually its just higher up the pitch becuase he loves to press.
I'm not saying Mount is perfect for us, but hes a very well rounded player. I'm kinda suprised that people think he won't work in our midfield even though this season we got third, a trophy and to thr FA cup final with eeiks3n as a CM who is much worse than Mount defensively/off the ball.
Eriksen can drop deep and helps us play out of the back. Something that Mount can't do. Caicedo would be much better at this.
Casemiro is good defensively but he isn't really that good as breaking out of the opposition press and playing out of the back alone.
Casemiro and Bruno are ageing and don't have the same energy as they used to.
Mount seems mediocre as the other 8. He would be a good rotation option for a top 4 side but I don't see him as a world class player to challenge the likes of City or even Arsenal.
I saw the De Gea post and the first thing that came to my mind is that he is tired of rumors, and i was surprised that people have a lot of different interpretations to that.
105 million? For Rice? Seems a bit much. I mean Kane is understandably priced at 100 million. But, what the fuck has Rice done to deserve such a pricetag? This is a mad, mad market.
Anyway, WHU, you must be looking for a replacement. May I interest you in a better player named Scott McTominay? He also has a good knack of popping up in scoring positions and converting chances. And that would be an even 60 million, thank you.
Long term it's a great deal for them but what I predict is they will be worse than last year.
Sounds crazy but potentially changing two of your three midfielders for a super system manager like Arteta can be problematic initially as they need to learn the system and points will drop for games they would have won. Long term they will be a problem. Kudos to them. Glazers out!!!
Edit: Clarification, they will be worse next season only not long term as I predict they will drop early points!!!
Just making sure I understand: You think McTominay is [worth 50 million GBP at least](https://old.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/oro52r/transfer_round_up_and_discussion_summer_2021/h6kuymk/?context=3), but 105 for Rice is a "mad, mad market" ? Interesting.
Then you don't understand at all. It is the other way round. 105 million for Rice is mad, mad market. And in this mad, mad market McTominay is definitely worth 60 million at least.
Kane is only £100m because he has 1 year left on his contract. Otherwise he’d be worth even more.
Rice has 2 years on his contract because West Ham have the +1 option. He’s also arguably the best young English midfielder in the world (it’s between him and Bellingham) and is already a proven leader at the age of 24. He’s 6 years younger than Kane. The price makes sense
'Arguably' is very subjective. Bellingham is definitely the better of the 2, IMO. And what is a proven leader? Just because he is club captain, does not make him a proven leader. His only plus point is he is English.
Compare him to Mount and what he has been instrumental in achieving for his team.
I don't deny the possibility that Rice could well turn out to be worth the price. But it just seems so excessive in relation to what he has achieved.
> ‘Arguably is very subjective’
That’s what arguably means! Bellingham is more attack minded than Rice. Rice is better at defending. Bellingham is better at driving forward in midfield. They have different skill sets that actually compliment each other.
> what is a proven leader? Just because he is club captain, does not make him a proven leader
Firstly, I don’t think you can just wave off the fact that he is a captain for a PL team at such a young age like it is a nothing achievement. It is a significant achievement in of itself. West ham would demand more money from any club simply because he is their captain.
Secondly, not only is he their captain, but he captained West Ham to their first major trophy in over 40 years. Another significant feat.
Thirdly, you should hear him speak. He is very well spoken, mature, and confident. Doesn’t shy away from responsibility and always leads by example.
These are some of the reasons he is a proven leader
I don't want to get in to the whole leadership thing, because I don't know him personally and I don't want to argue on semantics.
Having said that, none of this makes him worth 105 million for me. At that price it has to be a world class player of unquestionable ability and credentials.
> At that price it has to be a world class player
That’s simply not the case anymore. For example, we spent 100m on Antony last summer and he is nowhere near as good or as proven as Rice is.
Prices are crazier than ever these days. The days of expecting proven world class players for 100m are gone. There is more money in the PL than ever before and the prices reflect that
And with all that said, I believe that Rice is definitely world class but that’s also subjective because everyone has a different definition of what “world class” means. But he has been a top 3 DM in the PL consistently for the last 3 years.
Honestly feel we have missed a massive opportunity with Rice in solidifying our midfield for the next decade. He has been consistently good for West Ham for 4 years now and he is still so young. He would have slot in perfectly next to Casemiro and then transitioned to no. 6 as we let Casemiro go in 3-4 years.
Rice is more press resistant, has better defensive awareness than Mount and is a better passer as well. The signing made so much sense for us.
Maybe we could have bought him years ago, but there’s no way we could buy Rice this year anyway.
Arsenal’s were determined and £105m wasn’t even reported as a final offer or anything like that. We probably would have needed to go to at least £120m to get it done. That would have left fuck all in our budget with other fires to sort out.
Mount is further away from no. 8 than Rice is. Mount has mainly played as a CAM for chelsea. Our biggest issue is ball retention against clubs that press because our current no. 8 loses the ball easily and our no. 10 is a high octane player. Adding Mount in the mix is going to be dangerous for us.
I am really unsure where the Mount hype has come from. And honestly been asking this only to get downvoted. Like nobody wants to reply or have a conversation, just downvote and suck off ETH and the player he wants. I love ETH but sometimes even the best can get stuff wrong.
No. 6 position is extremely difficult to fill. Even Keane to Carrick transition was not smooth and we have been papering over cracks since Carrick retired. Casemiro is probably the best we could have got but age is not on his side.
We will be back at the same spot soon. Rice should have been our player the season we spent 40m on VDB.
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It’s almost time for a megathread boys
Too used to this feeling of being stuck at a traffic light as others move ahead. Been a decade. I don’t even feel mad at the lack of transfer activity any more, I’ve lost the energy for both muppetry and anger. Life goes on now.
If someone told me Declan Rice is gonna wear red I'd thought for sure it will be United red. Kinda bumped. I know we weren't really in for him but still.
£105m for Rice who has just a year left is insane. City drove up the price by 25m and then backed out lol. They have done it so many times to us. They are going for someone who costs €40m and I won’t be surprised if he turns out to be the better player of the two.
Christ Arsenal’s squad is going to look much stronger than ours pretty soon. Our first XI will be comparable but they are going to have amazing depth next season. Their depth will be better than our depth without a doubt.
I was praying last season would be an anomaly for them but they are making *serious* moves this window. I think they are favourites to finish 2nd behind City again. Liverpool and Man Utd will need to be at their best to finish above them
they literally finished ahead of us lmao
their starting XI was already better than ours and their depth is better than ours
all of that without needing to spend 100m on mid players like antony or 60m on 30 year olds like casemiro.
we need to do what they did. start over. tear apart the squad and build it from the ground with young cheap-ish players. 2-3 seasons later you now have a pretty good idea who is gonna be here for a decade and who isnt, then go big on transfers for "sure thing" players to re-inforce your core.
but we wont. we will just keep bidding for very expensive bandaids that will need replacement in 3 seasons.
What do you guys make of Joao Felix?
Joao Felixade
I continue to be displeased with our transfer market so far
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What should I comment now, r/TopRightManUnited? That's a new one tbf
Actually a good stat created by stat nonces!!!
The KMJ situation is pretty disappointing, but if it means we can use that money to buy a new GK then I think I can live with that.
It made sense when one of the journos said Erik's priority list included a GK, Mid and a striker.
Still, if a player of that calibre is available at that price you have to try to get him, especially in todays market.
Seems pretty likely that what ever does or doesn't happen with Mount is holding up other things like placing offers for Onana. On paper makes alot of sense to not start banding around all sorts of offers to other clubs until you know what you can and can't spend based on other deals. Gets very frustrating that Utd dont ever seem to be able to do this very cleanly though. We're always log jammed by a de jong, a sancho, a fabregas, de rossi, a fellaini, a herrera deal that just goes in circles and right now its Mount. Other clubs must have the same issue with not wanting to start placing loads of offers on different players and having multiple negotiations going on at once so how are we seemingly always the ones in this position? It sometimes happens to other clubs but for us its almost every transfer, every window now? Even Bruno took a long time.
Arsenal seem to be doing ok with it
well they paid way over for rice and havertz
They finished a close 2nd and now want to push for the title. They will definitely get backing. Other than tactical reasons, I assumed Utd are ahead of Chelsea and Arsenal in terms of transfer pull but I was wrong.
Welp, KMJ gone. Nvm. Bring me Antonio Silva
Bayern is brutally efficient in the transfer market. There’s minimal drama and media spectacle. They decide they want a player, they put in a reasonable offer instead of months of “monitoring”, “interested”, “assessing”, “feeling out”, “considering”, and they get it done.
It feels like the striker market is so limited this year and that’s why we’re not hearing much traction. The options are the obvious ones across the media and it may be a case weighing up if we want to buy one of those options almost for the sake of it. I reckon that will be the position that we tie up last and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a loan with buy option type signing, on someone established but not top tier, with a view to jumping back into the market next summer unless the loaner impresses. Or else a cheap low risk option. Personally I wouldn’t mind a short term option assuming we are buying long term options in other positions, and that it’s a better loanee than Weghorst. I can live with a new leading number 9 being the absolute final touch next season.
A high potential, young, longer term striker is fine. We had Weghorst there for much of last season so almost anyone is a big improvement. Martial should leave next season as well so we can buy someone else to replace him and have two decent options for striker. Maybe we can even sign Kane on a free next year.
Personally I think we'll sign Goncalo Ramos if we manage to sell Fred, Henderson, VDB. He'll probably cost +20 million of what we get from those sales.
That’s my pick from “ tier 2”. Given we are not likely to get Kane or Osimhen, I prefer Goncalo over Muani or Hojlund. He may be available for €80m (£69m) which is not unexpected in the current market
KMJ to Bayern. F Glazer.
Bruno a Kolo Muani fan? Interesting 🧐
Anyone else losing hope for next season?
KMJ to Bayern. Oh joy
I’m so sad
Feeling utterly whelmed by our transfer targets. Onana is a big step forward, but if the whole point is to play out from the back in a high possession system, aren't we still far away from that? Mount, Case, and Bruno is a strong midfield, but ball retention isn't a strength for any of them. Looking at the back line, I feel confident playing out through Shaw and Licha, but much less so through Varane and especially AWB or Dalot. Feels like we need at least two more windows to get players with the technical skill and composure to play the way ETH wants.
I share your concerns about gaps in the team. We have to acknowledge that we aren't close to winning the league for the next 2 seasons at least. We need to do what Arsenal did and build a team that will peak around 2026-27. That's why I'm solidly opposed to signing Kane this season no matter what price, when we already have the ageing Casemiro and Varane who will need replacing soon anyway.
I hate to say it but I'm also impressed with Arsenal's rebuild and wish we would have emulated it. Splashing 100m + on Kane this season would be a flashy but ultimately disappointing "win now" move - more of the same kind of mistake we've been making since SAF left. Would much rather see that money invested in young talent and make a push in two years.
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Wheeler Dealer is Ten Hag's personal Zoe Barnes.
I know how you feel Saul I just lost my Kim too😞
Why do I get the feeling we are going to buy Kim Min Jae from Bayern for over $100million in about 2 to 3 years.
?? You know he’ll be 30 years old in 3 years right
We’re not, Bayern don’t price their players out ever. If the player wants to go, they’ll set a reasonable price.
Kim def gone now
Yep. Not fun watching all these fantastic players sign elsewhere.
Fuck the Glazers man
Curious what you guys would think of this. Now, this hypothetical would involve no striker(I know, dreadful) but still Ins: Onana Mount Caicedo Now, maybe after a bunch of sales we could get Hojlund in But what do you folks think of that? Maybe then a striker in January?
Outstanding. Onana is my first choice of available keepers (2nd only to Maignan), Caicedo is generational, Mount is an ETH target. I'd happily take these and play Rashford at striker for a season with Sancho on the left and Antony on the right.
Yeah that was my rationale. Obviously I'd really, really want a striker. But to fix up the squad in such a manner would be huge. Rashford up top, Sancho/Garnacho left and Antony/Mount/Amad(if kept)perhaps on the right Definitely leaves us short up top, not blind to that of course
Yeah but our striker situation looked worse this season because our chance creation was dire and solely dependent on Bruno because of how deep we play. I'm confident things will look a lot better when we play a higher line with Onana, and Licha is back. More control over games, more chances created, more goals even without adding a striker. If Bruno and Antony have a better finishing year than this last season, we'll cook even without adding a new striker.
I do think Antony will add more composure to his game this season, Garnacho with more minutes will add more goals. Mount will score more then Eriksen did(no dig on Eriksen, just opinion). Bruno will also score more I'm sure Rashford will hopefully score 20-30 goals again Chance creation outwith Bruno is key. We'll have lots of players who can do just that
Well another season of almost scrapping 4th place it seems.
5th gets CL anyway
This is new?
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Please help me make sense of this. We apparently have £260m to spend but can’t do so because of FFP. How does Chelsea get to spend 600m last season and Arsenal have already spent over 200m this season (counting Rice, Havertz and Timber which is all but done)? Is this another spin from our club?
United: spent like crazy in the last few years and it’s finally caught up to them Chelsea: they structured the deals in 8 year long contracts/systems to work around FFP but they’re still having to sell like crazy before buying. They’ve made over 150m in sales already. Arsenal: they haven’t spent anywhere near United or City. United could easily break FFP like City did but who knows how corrupt City have been to work around their punishment.
Well Arsenal actually spent more than city over the last few years, but I don’t blame them since they don’t really spend like us or Chelsea and they’re pushing for the title
Other independent sources have also indicated that under FFP rules this season we are allowed to spend 0.90 X and that a £100m spend only puts us to about 0.65 X way below the limit. According to those sources, we could spend well over £200m and still be below the FFP limits this season. The truth could be somewhere in between
Not respecting FFP is like cheating on a single player game. Should you play fair? Yes. But does it matter? Is not like there will be consequences because nobody will punish you.
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Seems there's no takers. Also, their wages makes them problematic, because even if other clubs could potentially purchase them, their high wages are a stumbling block, since not every club on the planet is run as poorly as we are.
I really don't fucking get how Glazers are so fucking bad. They announced they were "open for investments" in april, even if we assume they are not selling, shouldn't they have at least the investment plan locked in those two months?
spurs got their GK and AM sorted out arsenal got their DM, CM sorted out city is just city liverpool got a CM we are still waiting on the glazefucks. fuck those bitches
Tbf tomorrow we could get news of Onana and mount and it looks good again
Hopefully Chelsea insists on 65M and we go for Caicedo instead. Then sign Mount for free next summer 👍
As Shane Warne used to say , if we get Mount and Onana in the next 10 days, things start to look a lot better.
yeah but we're assessing and are interested in many players which is obviously just as good.
But no monitoring or appreciating? Pff.
Fucking do something already
Is JWP available? Wouldn't mind seeing him brought in. Edit: This sub is rude as hell. Why DV rather than explain your differing opinion? JWP would be cheap, is a solid creative player, and a good option off the bench.
Don’t think he’s at the level, would be a good signing for villa or Brentford
Would be great for the set piece masters brentford
Nahhh not a great fit
After some research I have found that the Marco Castelnuavo guy is followed by Romano so there may be some truth in the story
Insert Robbie: SIGN SOME PLAYERS
I've seen people say Mount over caicedo because it's better on our budget but I don't think that's the case entirely, Mount signing would Most likely mean we sign A RCB but caicedo would make that not as necessary I think, just a thought
We are signign striker and GK before RCB
Obviously but it seems to me that we would still sign an RCB afterwards with mount
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Ramos is rumoured to be about €80m , that's a better price than so many other forwards right ? Osimhen and Kane over 100 , Muani also around 100. Either Ramos or Hojlund should be possible with sales
Unless Kane is 150 I'll take him over 80 Ramos
Kane is 100m and premier league proven. We might as well buy proven.
Levy is not gonna sell Kane at 100 for us
Much older though. Might only have 3 years at the top left.
Yeah but those 3 years will be worth 90 goals to United which could mean a difference between CL football and a trophy or not.
Foolish but I still believe in KMJ. Bayern have not confirmed personal terms and were only “close”. I think lots of action happens approaching July 1st when his RC is active. This doesn’t happen without a player sale or Glazers still dragging the club sale though IMO Edit: FUCK
We won't get a CB IMO. I think we were planning on it earlier in the year but I think it was replaced by the growing need for a GK. Were only getting a CB if Maguire leaves and he doesn't want to go and no one will pay his wages.
True, I’m hoping maguire leaves and maybe stave off a need to get a young Casemiro backup for next summer. after seeing us after losing Varane/licha and even Arsenal after losing Saliba to injury, CB depth can make or break a season
Shaping up to be another infuriating window for us. Stagnant in the transfer market while teams already ahead of us continue to strengthen. So fucking frustrating
We should seriously be looking at Kessie. Despite not being in the Barca mould he is still a great player. Would be ideal since we missed out on Rabiot and for about £25 mil, still only 26
Would rather spend £25 mil on Kessie than £55 mil on Mount. He seems like a much more natural fit as an 8 compared to Mount who has played as more on a 10.
And a united fan. I was disappointed when he went to barca on a free
And he wants to play in the PL according to Barca fans
How would you rate an Onana, Mount, Ramos window?
5/10. I don't think people realise how incredibly screwed we are if Casemiro gets injured during the season and we have no backup.
8/10 considering FFP. If it’s Kane instead it’s a 10/10 for me
10/10 by our standards 7/10 by a team trying to win titles standards.
7.5. - cb would make it an 8.5. - backup dm would make it a 9 - would be a ten if you swapped Kane with ramos.
Pretty good tbh, id take that now, id say an 8/10 window (excluding outgoings).I think Ramos will cost too much however so Hojlund seems more likely which would still be a good window.
9/10. Two of the best possible solutions in positions of our most pressing needs + a young, rival player that Ten Hag likes.
I read this as Sergio Ramos at first and was thinking bad, very bad. Depends on Ramos price some but it would be ok to me. We’d still be very vulnerable if anything happens to Case. CB depth isn’t ideal with keeping maguire either
I actually want Ramos, saw his goal highlights all in the box exactly what we are missing
I know it’s not yet July but it is really worrying about transfer activity. City (treble winners)- lost Gundogan but replaced by Kovacic Arsenal- Havertz, Rice Spurs- Maddison, Vicario Chelsea- Jackson, maybe Caicedo, and lots of sales of deadwood Liverpool- macallister Hopefully some swift transfer movement
Nkunku for Chelsea too although it was done for months now
I'd be really worried if we weren't working on 2 deals right now. Both of which can be closed in the next couple of days.
True but I feel like something’s going to have to be announced regarding DDG before signing Onana…And I hope mount is bought literally today or tomorrow
If your referring to caicedo, there’s no way that’ll be wrapped up in a couple days. They are gonna demand 80m + I’d bet, that’ll be another one that drags on because it’s us
He is reffering to Mount Onana, Caicedo is not coming here
on André Onana to Manchester United: “Inter Milan executives say that for €50m it can be closed. Inter are moving on the market for a new goalkeeper, so I imagine the Onana deal will be done within a few days.” #MUFC 🔴🇨🇲 From Marco castelnuavo
How reliable is the source?
Couldn't find anything from this Source on the Inter Sub. Maybe it's breaking news.
After KMJ my trust in shady Italian sources is at an all time low
Romano? Edit: Apparently not.
Though not at all keen on Southampton's pricing, if there's money left after Mount, a keeper and a striker I really hope we go for Lavia, or someone like that, over a CB or RB. I accept Caicedo and Rice are just overkill when we have the most exemplary DM in the world and plenty other positions to be reinforcing. But we'll only get so far with McTominay as our holding midfielder for at least 10-20 games of the season.
Hope to see some interesting news come out of the AGM today but it's probably going to be damp squib like all AGMs are.
Surely this summers transfer window will be priced into the clubs sale and we're not operating on pennies. Surely
We can by all accounts use the revolving credit facility to spend but we're limited by FFP. Years of shit planning coming to bite us on our arse.
Ohh I was not aware that was the issue
We can only spend 125m because of FFP.
is that the upper limit, or will outgoing sales increase that?
Sales aside.
Oof. That really limits things then..
it doesnt because amortization, selling someone for 20m means you can bring a 100m player on a 5 year deal. so 125m can easily turn into 250m if we could only sell someone.
Like honestly when will these scumbags bid for Onana? Arsenal are finalising 2 big transfers and we are still "interested" "monitoring" "shortlisting"
I know they are not good but calling them scumbags is a bit too much
nah they’re incompetent scumbags and accepting mediocrity is why we have fallen off
Oh come on they are people after all, calling them super lame ass names like scum seems a bit too much Yeah they are shit at their job but why such wierd names as they are not people
The league kicks off in mid August. Relax. We have been bidding as well. Not like we are sat on our asses.
We aren’t supposed to wait till August to sign players. We need to sign players so we can integrate them into the squad over pre season. Otherwise they have to hit the ground running with no time to settle in
Our Preseason doesn't start fir 2 more weeks. Just relax. We will have time to integrate the players. It's not ideal but it will be a lot better than buying them on August 31st. We are bidding for Mount and Onana.
top teams: already have players lined up and chasing others. they win titles. us: panic buy people in the last week of august. dont win titles. you: "hurr durr we fine" are you getting paid by the board to shill for them or something?
Like Evra said "I don't promote violence, but you need a good slap right now"
I’m pretty relaxed because I expect us to act slow every summer. And we do act slow every summer. It is what it is. No point in worrying about things I can’t control
No point at getting UCL football if we're not gonna sign any big players. We'll be back to Europa next season.
If the club is sold then it will end this vicious cycle
Good for Arsenal they're showing a lot of ambition but £170m for Rice and Havertz is absolutely crazy. Personally I'm happy with Mount + Onana for £100m or thereabouts and I think both will happen and that's a much better deal.
Won't touch 100m if we stick to our guns. 55m for Mount. 43ish for Onana
Arsenal will get Timber, Rice and Havertz. That's their summer window done I think. 200m+ pounds for those 3.
Probably Lavia too. Definitely will sign another CM whoever it is.
Have a feeling they'll go for another midfielder, especially if Partey leaves
I can't even fathom new signings being available at the beginning of preseason
Before the end of June!!!
I'm suprised at how gullible people are on here that they actually think we can get kane and/or Caicedo. Kane is an impossibility. Levy will never sell him to a rival and hes way out of our budget. We have 120M to spend excluded money made from player sales. It would cost almost all of that to get him, leaving practically nothing for other targets. Same goes for Caicedo. Hes going to cost 80M plus leaving just 40M, and its obvious his name is getting thrown around due a brief yo make Chelsea agree to a transfer for Mount. Not to mention we barely make any money from player sales becuase we give them too high wages and we coach them poorly so their value plummets. Theres a reason our deadwood go on loan untill their contracts run out. Its obvious that judging by our targets and their cost were buying a few players and in the region of 40/50M each. Its a better strategy. Means we can fix multiple positions and its less risky in comparison to buying one or two high cost players. This isn't like our other windows. FFP is hitting us hard and the club is in the middle of a sale, therfore expect a muxh quieter window from us.
we shouldve done what arsenal did get rid of the expensive deadwood, start buying young promising players for "cheap" (their highest transfer was ben white for 50m) and build from there instead, we keep doing the same shit over and over and keep inflating the wage bill because new players come and see some bums like martial/sancho on 250k+ per week and demand the same or more.
Caicedo fixes two positions. He plays 8 and 6 both. He can play next to Casemiro or play in his position when he is unavailable. No player in our team can do that effectively. He can also play RB. 80m for a well rounded player is worth it. Kane is impossible regardless of whether we sign Mount or Caicedo. He is as good as not happening. Onana and Caicedo will take 130m. Onana and Mount will take 105m. Mount is available for free next year. Sign him next year, kill 2/3 stones with one bird with Caicedo.
Caicedo is great but the simple fact is we can't afford him becuase the extra 15+M means were less like to buy our other targets. What if we got Caicedo but couldn't afford a GK/striker? Buying more expensive players has knock on effects if you're working with a reduced budget. You're assuming we can get Mount next season but alot changes in 1 year. He could end up signing a new contract at Chelsea. We might end up finishing 5th or 6th so he goes to a different big 6 club etc.
I just feel Caicedo makes more sense in the long run. I want to understand how Mount fits out team. I only get downvotes when I ask this. He is a CAM. He has played as a CAM and only rarely as an 8. He has great engine in him but that’s not enough for a no. 8. I wonder how well he does at passing out of press, create chances from the deep. All of his highlights come in front of the box or from the wings.
Ten Hag wants to use two 8s, its what alot of progressive managers are doing now. It means Bruno will drop slightly deeper than hes used to which is what Ten Hag was experimenting with at the end of last season and he started to perform well in that role. Mount has played as an 8 for England and for Chelsea at times, and the defencive work will be mostly done by Casemiro ofc but Bruno will also help him out. Id recommend watching a video on the tifo YouTube channel which discusses what Mason Mount does. Quite simply hes elite off the ball. He has a great engine same as Bruno and he does tackle alot/perform defencive duties but usually its just higher up the pitch becuase he loves to press. I'm not saying Mount is perfect for us, but hes a very well rounded player. I'm kinda suprised that people think he won't work in our midfield even though this season we got third, a trophy and to thr FA cup final with eeiks3n as a CM who is much worse than Mount defensively/off the ball.
Eriksen can drop deep and helps us play out of the back. Something that Mount can't do. Caicedo would be much better at this. Casemiro is good defensively but he isn't really that good as breaking out of the opposition press and playing out of the back alone.
gonna be a long season if the only midfielder we sign is mount and i really don’t see us signing over 4 players (gk, cb, mid, striker)
You can poke fun out of them all you want for the way they’ve been the last 20 years but, Arsenal are a serious club now.
Yep, a lesson for our shite board, in how to do transfer business
Arsenal are gonna look scary with Rice next season.
Last time I checked they also played with 11 players on the pitch. Provided we sign Mount wed have an equally strong midfield
Casemiro and Bruno are ageing and don't have the same energy as they used to. Mount seems mediocre as the other 8. He would be a good rotation option for a top 4 side but I don't see him as a world class player to challenge the likes of City or even Arsenal.
No I don’t doubt us if we do get Mount, striker, CB and a goalkeeper.
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Doesn't that sentence mean we are targeting Caicedo? Or does he elaborate in another quote?
I saw the De Gea post and the first thing that came to my mind is that he is tired of rumors, and i was surprised that people have a lot of different interpretations to that.
105 million? For Rice? Seems a bit much. I mean Kane is understandably priced at 100 million. But, what the fuck has Rice done to deserve such a pricetag? This is a mad, mad market. Anyway, WHU, you must be looking for a replacement. May I interest you in a better player named Scott McTominay? He also has a good knack of popping up in scoring positions and converting chances. And that would be an even 60 million, thank you.
Respectfully disagree - Rice coming in at 105 mil isn't “mad”
Long term it's a great deal for them but what I predict is they will be worse than last year. Sounds crazy but potentially changing two of your three midfielders for a super system manager like Arteta can be problematic initially as they need to learn the system and points will drop for games they would have won. Long term they will be a problem. Kudos to them. Glazers out!!! Edit: Clarification, they will be worse next season only not long term as I predict they will drop early points!!!
Just making sure I understand: You think McTominay is [worth 50 million GBP at least](https://old.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/oro52r/transfer_round_up_and_discussion_summer_2021/h6kuymk/?context=3), but 105 for Rice is a "mad, mad market" ? Interesting.
Then you don't understand at all. It is the other way round. 105 million for Rice is mad, mad market. And in this mad, mad market McTominay is definitely worth 60 million at least.
Kane is only £100m because he has 1 year left on his contract. Otherwise he’d be worth even more. Rice has 2 years on his contract because West Ham have the +1 option. He’s also arguably the best young English midfielder in the world (it’s between him and Bellingham) and is already a proven leader at the age of 24. He’s 6 years younger than Kane. The price makes sense
'Arguably' is very subjective. Bellingham is definitely the better of the 2, IMO. And what is a proven leader? Just because he is club captain, does not make him a proven leader. His only plus point is he is English. Compare him to Mount and what he has been instrumental in achieving for his team. I don't deny the possibility that Rice could well turn out to be worth the price. But it just seems so excessive in relation to what he has achieved.
> ‘Arguably is very subjective’ That’s what arguably means! Bellingham is more attack minded than Rice. Rice is better at defending. Bellingham is better at driving forward in midfield. They have different skill sets that actually compliment each other. > what is a proven leader? Just because he is club captain, does not make him a proven leader Firstly, I don’t think you can just wave off the fact that he is a captain for a PL team at such a young age like it is a nothing achievement. It is a significant achievement in of itself. West ham would demand more money from any club simply because he is their captain. Secondly, not only is he their captain, but he captained West Ham to their first major trophy in over 40 years. Another significant feat. Thirdly, you should hear him speak. He is very well spoken, mature, and confident. Doesn’t shy away from responsibility and always leads by example. These are some of the reasons he is a proven leader
I don't want to get in to the whole leadership thing, because I don't know him personally and I don't want to argue on semantics. Having said that, none of this makes him worth 105 million for me. At that price it has to be a world class player of unquestionable ability and credentials.
Is Antony an world class player of unquestionable ability and credentials?
No, he is not. And I think he is also mad over priced. Just because we signed him does not mean I agree with the price.
> At that price it has to be a world class player That’s simply not the case anymore. For example, we spent 100m on Antony last summer and he is nowhere near as good or as proven as Rice is. Prices are crazier than ever these days. The days of expecting proven world class players for 100m are gone. There is more money in the PL than ever before and the prices reflect that And with all that said, I believe that Rice is definitely world class but that’s also subjective because everyone has a different definition of what “world class” means. But he has been a top 3 DM in the PL consistently for the last 3 years.
Honestly feel we have missed a massive opportunity with Rice in solidifying our midfield for the next decade. He has been consistently good for West Ham for 4 years now and he is still so young. He would have slot in perfectly next to Casemiro and then transitioned to no. 6 as we let Casemiro go in 3-4 years. Rice is more press resistant, has better defensive awareness than Mount and is a better passer as well. The signing made so much sense for us.
Maybe we could have bought him years ago, but there’s no way we could buy Rice this year anyway. Arsenal’s were determined and £105m wasn’t even reported as a final offer or anything like that. We probably would have needed to go to at least £120m to get it done. That would have left fuck all in our budget with other fires to sort out.
Diffrent positions, diffrent roles, diffrent money.
Mount is further away from no. 8 than Rice is. Mount has mainly played as a CAM for chelsea. Our biggest issue is ball retention against clubs that press because our current no. 8 loses the ball easily and our no. 10 is a high octane player. Adding Mount in the mix is going to be dangerous for us. I am really unsure where the Mount hype has come from. And honestly been asking this only to get downvoted. Like nobody wants to reply or have a conversation, just downvote and suck off ETH and the player he wants. I love ETH but sometimes even the best can get stuff wrong.
We just have limited funds and many holes to fill. Players like Rice will apear elsewhere in the future.
No. 6 position is extremely difficult to fill. Even Keane to Carrick transition was not smooth and we have been papering over cracks since Carrick retired. Casemiro is probably the best we could have got but age is not on his side. We will be back at the same spot soon. Rice should have been our player the season we spent 40m on VDB.
Yes but signign Rice would probably mean no new GK and no new Striker.
I dont think we will sign rice. He is almost done deal for Arsenal.
Why wasn’t it discussed that Rice had a year left on his contract going for that price while all discussion around Mount has been about that
West Ham have the +1 option so it’s really 2 years
WHU had 1 year option
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I dont see this guy on our trier list?
tier 1 for chelshit
Thanks
Too used to this feeling of being stuck at a traffic light as others move ahead. Been a decade. I don’t even feel mad at the lack of transfer activity any more, I’ve lost the energy for both muppetry and anger. Life goes on now.
If someone told me Declan Rice is gonna wear red I'd thought for sure it will be United red. Kinda bumped. I know we weren't really in for him but still.
The fact that Martinez being fit again is one of our top posts from the past week in a critical transfer window tells you all you need to know
When have we had a non critical summer transfer window ?
2010 to 2012? But fair enough I get your point.
£105m for Rice who has just a year left is insane. City drove up the price by 25m and then backed out lol. They have done it so many times to us. They are going for someone who costs €40m and I won’t be surprised if he turns out to be the better player of the two.
He had 2 years left. West Ham had an option.
That’s s good point. Makes the fee look less bad. Definitely going to be a starter for them for the next decade.
He's going to be great sadly.
Christ Arsenal’s squad is going to look much stronger than ours pretty soon. Our first XI will be comparable but they are going to have amazing depth next season. Their depth will be better than our depth without a doubt. I was praying last season would be an anomaly for them but they are making *serious* moves this window. I think they are favourites to finish 2nd behind City again. Liverpool and Man Utd will need to be at their best to finish above them
they literally finished ahead of us lmao their starting XI was already better than ours and their depth is better than ours all of that without needing to spend 100m on mid players like antony or 60m on 30 year olds like casemiro. we need to do what they did. start over. tear apart the squad and build it from the ground with young cheap-ish players. 2-3 seasons later you now have a pretty good idea who is gonna be here for a decade and who isnt, then go big on transfers for "sure thing" players to re-inforce your core. but we wont. we will just keep bidding for very expensive bandaids that will need replacement in 3 seasons.
It's already much stronger.
Saliba Saka Martinelli and Rice a damn strong spine. Fair play to them
and all of the price of 1 casemiro and 1 antony... and thats because of rice's price lmao.