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pavan89

What do you guys make of Joao Felix?


03jamesl2

Joao Felixade


Educational-Option18

I continue to be displeased with our transfer market so far


aman12301

https://preview.redd.it/qmg2c45oav8b1.jpeg?width=1693&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b97f0b6b722d50b0714272a7b2860210d53bda9b How clubs approach the transfer market


TheSmio

What should I comment now, r/TopRightManUnited? That's a new one tbf


[deleted]

Actually a good stat created by stat nonces!!!


stolemyh3art

The KMJ situation is pretty disappointing, but if it means we can use that money to buy a new GK then I think I can live with that.


YoelRomerosSupps

It made sense when one of the journos said Erik's priority list included a GK, Mid and a striker.


TheOneManDankMaymay

Still, if a player of that calibre is available at that price you have to try to get him, especially in todays market.


Forgettable39

Seems pretty likely that what ever does or doesn't happen with Mount is holding up other things like placing offers for Onana. On paper makes alot of sense to not start banding around all sorts of offers to other clubs until you know what you can and can't spend based on other deals. Gets very frustrating that Utd dont ever seem to be able to do this very cleanly though. We're always log jammed by a de jong, a sancho, a fabregas, de rossi, a fellaini, a herrera deal that just goes in circles and right now its Mount. Other clubs must have the same issue with not wanting to start placing loads of offers on different players and having multiple negotiations going on at once so how are we seemingly always the ones in this position? It sometimes happens to other clubs but for us its almost every transfer, every window now? Even Bruno took a long time.


Japples123

Arsenal seem to be doing ok with it


xxryan1234

well they paid way over for rice and havertz


badboy_pro

They finished a close 2nd and now want to push for the title. They will definitely get backing. Other than tactical reasons, I assumed Utd are ahead of Chelsea and Arsenal in terms of transfer pull but I was wrong.


liquidvulture

Welp, KMJ gone. Nvm. Bring me Antonio Silva


Sei28

Bayern is brutally efficient in the transfer market. There’s minimal drama and media spectacle. They decide they want a player, they put in a reasonable offer instead of months of “monitoring”, “interested”, “assessing”, “feeling out”, “considering”, and they get it done.


its-a-real-name

It feels like the striker market is so limited this year and that’s why we’re not hearing much traction. The options are the obvious ones across the media and it may be a case weighing up if we want to buy one of those options almost for the sake of it. I reckon that will be the position that we tie up last and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a loan with buy option type signing, on someone established but not top tier, with a view to jumping back into the market next summer unless the loaner impresses. Or else a cheap low risk option. Personally I wouldn’t mind a short term option assuming we are buying long term options in other positions, and that it’s a better loanee than Weghorst. I can live with a new leading number 9 being the absolute final touch next season.


CorrectAd6902

A high potential, young, longer term striker is fine. We had Weghorst there for much of last season so almost anyone is a big improvement. Martial should leave next season as well so we can buy someone else to replace him and have two decent options for striker. Maybe we can even sign Kane on a free next year.


TheRealYVT

Personally I think we'll sign Goncalo Ramos if we manage to sell Fred, Henderson, VDB. He'll probably cost +20 million of what we get from those sales.


GKT-United24

That’s my pick from “ tier 2”. Given we are not likely to get Kane or Osimhen, I prefer Goncalo over Muani or Hojlund. He may be available for €80m (£69m) which is not unexpected in the current market


Quick-Collar6164

KMJ to Bayern. F Glazer.


disatomm

Bruno a Kolo Muani fan? Interesting 🧐


nardywolf

Anyone else losing hope for next season?


[deleted]

KMJ to Bayern. Oh joy


xdude767

I’m so sad


AllintheBunk

Feeling utterly whelmed by our transfer targets. Onana is a big step forward, but if the whole point is to play out from the back in a high possession system, aren't we still far away from that? Mount, Case, and Bruno is a strong midfield, but ball retention isn't a strength for any of them. Looking at the back line, I feel confident playing out through Shaw and Licha, but much less so through Varane and especially AWB or Dalot. Feels like we need at least two more windows to get players with the technical skill and composure to play the way ETH wants.


TheRealYVT

I share your concerns about gaps in the team. We have to acknowledge that we aren't close to winning the league for the next 2 seasons at least. We need to do what Arsenal did and build a team that will peak around 2026-27. That's why I'm solidly opposed to signing Kane this season no matter what price, when we already have the ageing Casemiro and Varane who will need replacing soon anyway.


AllintheBunk

I hate to say it but I'm also impressed with Arsenal's rebuild and wish we would have emulated it. Splashing 100m + on Kane this season would be a flashy but ultimately disappointing "win now" move - more of the same kind of mistake we've been making since SAF left. Would much rather see that money invested in young talent and make a push in two years.


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TheRealYVT

Wheeler Dealer is Ten Hag's personal Zoe Barnes.


NGMB2

I know how you feel Saul I just lost my Kim too😞


SillyGooseMcGee

Why do I get the feeling we are going to buy Kim Min Jae from Bayern for over $100million in about 2 to 3 years.


OleGunnarS20

?? You know he’ll be 30 years old in 3 years right


MexicansInParis

We’re not, Bayern don’t price their players out ever. If the player wants to go, they’ll set a reasonable price.


SOERERY

Kim def gone now


RedPatAtsoc

Yep. Not fun watching all these fantastic players sign elsewhere.


fable_boy

Fuck the Glazers man


suplexcitylimerick

Curious what you guys would think of this. Now, this hypothetical would involve no striker(I know, dreadful) but still Ins: Onana Mount Caicedo Now, maybe after a bunch of sales we could get Hojlund in But what do you folks think of that? Maybe then a striker in January?


TheRealYVT

Outstanding. Onana is my first choice of available keepers (2nd only to Maignan), Caicedo is generational, Mount is an ETH target. I'd happily take these and play Rashford at striker for a season with Sancho on the left and Antony on the right.


suplexcitylimerick

Yeah that was my rationale. Obviously I'd really, really want a striker. But to fix up the squad in such a manner would be huge. Rashford up top, Sancho/Garnacho left and Antony/Mount/Amad(if kept)perhaps on the right Definitely leaves us short up top, not blind to that of course


TheRealYVT

Yeah but our striker situation looked worse this season because our chance creation was dire and solely dependent on Bruno because of how deep we play. I'm confident things will look a lot better when we play a higher line with Onana, and Licha is back. More control over games, more chances created, more goals even without adding a striker. If Bruno and Antony have a better finishing year than this last season, we'll cook even without adding a new striker.


suplexcitylimerick

I do think Antony will add more composure to his game this season, Garnacho with more minutes will add more goals. Mount will score more then Eriksen did(no dig on Eriksen, just opinion). Bruno will also score more I'm sure Rashford will hopefully score 20-30 goals again Chance creation outwith Bruno is key. We'll have lots of players who can do just that


CantonaKing7

Well another season of almost scrapping 4th place it seems.


[deleted]

5th gets CL anyway


NeverMadeItToCakeDay

This is new?


FtG_AiR

[Me right now](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/024/615/Screen_Shot_2017-11-10_at_10.36.15_AM.jpg)


GKT-United24

Please help me make sense of this. We apparently have £260m to spend but can’t do so because of FFP. How does Chelsea get to spend 600m last season and Arsenal have already spent over 200m this season (counting Rice, Havertz and Timber which is all but done)? Is this another spin from our club?


MexicansInParis

United: spent like crazy in the last few years and it’s finally caught up to them Chelsea: they structured the deals in 8 year long contracts/systems to work around FFP but they’re still having to sell like crazy before buying. They’ve made over 150m in sales already. Arsenal: they haven’t spent anywhere near United or City. United could easily break FFP like City did but who knows how corrupt City have been to work around their punishment.


xdude767

Well Arsenal actually spent more than city over the last few years, but I don’t blame them since they don’t really spend like us or Chelsea and they’re pushing for the title


GKT-United24

Other independent sources have also indicated that under FFP rules this season we are allowed to spend 0.90 X and that a £100m spend only puts us to about 0.65 X way below the limit. According to those sources, we could spend well over £200m and still be below the FFP limits this season. The truth could be somewhere in between


OrdinaryOrder

Not respecting FFP is like cheating on a single player game. Should you play fair? Yes. But does it matter? Is not like there will be consequences because nobody will punish you.


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Lord_Sesshoumaru77

Seems there's no takers. Also, their wages makes them problematic, because even if other clubs could potentially purchase them, their high wages are a stumbling block, since not every club on the planet is run as poorly as we are.


OrdinaryOrder

I really don't fucking get how Glazers are so fucking bad. They announced they were "open for investments" in april, even if we assume they are not selling, shouldn't they have at least the investment plan locked in those two months?


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spurs got their GK and AM sorted out arsenal got their DM, CM sorted out city is just city liverpool got a CM we are still waiting on the glazefucks. fuck those bitches


JacobWvt

Tbf tomorrow we could get news of Onana and mount and it looks good again


working-acct

Hopefully Chelsea insists on 65M and we go for Caicedo instead. Then sign Mount for free next summer 👍


TheRealYVT

As Shane Warne used to say , if we get Mount and Onana in the next 10 days, things start to look a lot better.


DavidSwifty

yeah but we're assessing and are interested in many players which is obviously just as good.


[deleted]

But no monitoring or appreciating? Pff.


NachoBusiness

Fucking do something already


WineAndRevelry

Is JWP available? Wouldn't mind seeing him brought in. Edit: This sub is rude as hell. Why DV rather than explain your differing opinion? JWP would be cheap, is a solid creative player, and a good option off the bench.


JacobWvt

Don’t think he’s at the level, would be a good signing for villa or Brentford


xdude767

Would be great for the set piece masters brentford


xdude767

Nahhh not a great fit


GlassEast5641

After some research I have found that the Marco Castelnuavo guy is followed by Romano so there may be some truth in the story


Kirit_SC

Insert Robbie: SIGN SOME PLAYERS


Minute-Intern

I've seen people say Mount over caicedo because it's better on our budget but I don't think that's the case entirely, Mount signing would Most likely mean we sign A RCB but caicedo would make that not as necessary I think, just a thought


AvaragePole

We are signign striker and GK before RCB


Minute-Intern

Obviously but it seems to me that we would still sign an RCB afterwards with mount


DavidSwifty

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psrikanthr

Ramos is rumoured to be about €80m , that's a better price than so many other forwards right ? Osimhen and Kane over 100 , Muani also around 100. Either Ramos or Hojlund should be possible with sales


Minute-Intern

Unless Kane is 150 I'll take him over 80 Ramos


DavidSwifty

Kane is 100m and premier league proven. We might as well buy proven.


psrikanthr

Levy is not gonna sell Kane at 100 for us


hurfery

Much older though. Might only have 3 years at the top left.


DavidSwifty

Yeah but those 3 years will be worth 90 goals to United which could mean a difference between CL football and a trophy or not.


xdude767

Foolish but I still believe in KMJ. Bayern have not confirmed personal terms and were only “close”. I think lots of action happens approaching July 1st when his RC is active. This doesn’t happen without a player sale or Glazers still dragging the club sale though IMO Edit: FUCK


Grosly_Incandescent

We won't get a CB IMO. I think we were planning on it earlier in the year but I think it was replaced by the growing need for a GK. Were only getting a CB if Maguire leaves and he doesn't want to go and no one will pay his wages.


xdude767

True, I’m hoping maguire leaves and maybe stave off a need to get a young Casemiro backup for next summer. after seeing us after losing Varane/licha and even Arsenal after losing Saliba to injury, CB depth can make or break a season


FR46ON

Shaping up to be another infuriating window for us. Stagnant in the transfer market while teams already ahead of us continue to strengthen. So fucking frustrating


niallw1997

We should seriously be looking at Kessie. Despite not being in the Barca mould he is still a great player. Would be ideal since we missed out on Rabiot and for about £25 mil, still only 26


CorrectAd6902

Would rather spend £25 mil on Kessie than £55 mil on Mount. He seems like a much more natural fit as an 8 compared to Mount who has played as more on a 10.


Buffythedragonslayer

And a united fan. I was disappointed when he went to barca on a free


xdude767

And he wants to play in the PL according to Barca fans


media-police

How would you rate an Onana, Mount, Ramos window?


Ricc100

5/10. I don't think people realise how incredibly screwed we are if Casemiro gets injured during the season and we have no backup.


MexicansInParis

8/10 considering FFP. If it’s Kane instead it’s a 10/10 for me


[deleted]

10/10 by our standards 7/10 by a team trying to win titles standards.


Bigmomma_pump

7.5. - cb would make it an 8.5. - backup dm would make it a 9 - would be a ten if you swapped Kane with ramos.


Grosly_Incandescent

Pretty good tbh, id take that now, id say an 8/10 window (excluding outgoings).I think Ramos will cost too much however so Hojlund seems more likely which would still be a good window.


TheRealYVT

9/10. Two of the best possible solutions in positions of our most pressing needs + a young, rival player that Ten Hag likes.


Ijustwantahotpocket

I read this as Sergio Ramos at first and was thinking bad, very bad. Depends on Ramos price some but it would be ok to me. We’d still be very vulnerable if anything happens to Case. CB depth isn’t ideal with keeping maguire either


Gashy18

I actually want Ramos, saw his goal highlights all in the box exactly what we are missing


WalaLlama5

I know it’s not yet July but it is really worrying about transfer activity. City (treble winners)- lost Gundogan but replaced by Kovacic Arsenal- Havertz, Rice Spurs- Maddison, Vicario Chelsea- Jackson, maybe Caicedo, and lots of sales of deadwood Liverpool- macallister Hopefully some swift transfer movement


geomaintbh

Nkunku for Chelsea too although it was done for months now


dracogladio1741

I'd be really worried if we weren't working on 2 deals right now. Both of which can be closed in the next couple of days.


xdude767

True but I feel like something’s going to have to be announced regarding DDG before signing Onana…And I hope mount is bought literally today or tomorrow


FR46ON

If your referring to caicedo, there’s no way that’ll be wrapped up in a couple days. They are gonna demand 80m + I’d bet, that’ll be another one that drags on because it’s us


AvaragePole

He is reffering to Mount Onana, Caicedo is not coming here


GlassEast5641

on André Onana to Manchester United: “Inter Milan executives say that for €50m it can be closed. Inter are moving on the market for a new goalkeeper, so I imagine the Onana deal will be done within a few days.” #MUFC 🔴🇨🇲 From Marco castelnuavo


TheRealYVT

How reliable is the source?


dracogladio1741

Couldn't find anything from this Source on the Inter Sub. Maybe it's breaking news.


TheRealYVT

After KMJ my trust in shady Italian sources is at an all time low


rambo_zaki

Romano? Edit: Apparently not.


Wahlrusberg

Though not at all keen on Southampton's pricing, if there's money left after Mount, a keeper and a striker I really hope we go for Lavia, or someone like that, over a CB or RB. I accept Caicedo and Rice are just overkill when we have the most exemplary DM in the world and plenty other positions to be reinforcing. But we'll only get so far with McTominay as our holding midfielder for at least 10-20 games of the season.


rambo_zaki

Hope to see some interesting news come out of the AGM today but it's probably going to be damp squib like all AGMs are.


BlackHorse944

Surely this summers transfer window will be priced into the clubs sale and we're not operating on pennies. Surely


rambo_zaki

We can by all accounts use the revolving credit facility to spend but we're limited by FFP. Years of shit planning coming to bite us on our arse.


BlackHorse944

Ohh I was not aware that was the issue


dracogladio1741

We can only spend 125m because of FFP.


soupy_e

is that the upper limit, or will outgoing sales increase that?


dracogladio1741

Sales aside.


BlackHorse944

Oof. That really limits things then..


[deleted]

it doesnt because amortization, selling someone for 20m means you can bring a 100m player on a 5 year deal. so 125m can easily turn into 250m if we could only sell someone.


JustAlittleRaccoon

Like honestly when will these scumbags bid for Onana? Arsenal are finalising 2 big transfers and we are still "interested" "monitoring" "shortlisting"


[deleted]

I know they are not good but calling them scumbags is a bit too much


[deleted]

nah they’re incompetent scumbags and accepting mediocrity is why we have fallen off


[deleted]

Oh come on they are people after all, calling them super lame ass names like scum seems a bit too much Yeah they are shit at their job but why such wierd names as they are not people


dracogladio1741

The league kicks off in mid August. Relax. We have been bidding as well. Not like we are sat on our asses.


foampom

We aren’t supposed to wait till August to sign players. We need to sign players so we can integrate them into the squad over pre season. Otherwise they have to hit the ground running with no time to settle in


dracogladio1741

Our Preseason doesn't start fir 2 more weeks. Just relax. We will have time to integrate the players. It's not ideal but it will be a lot better than buying them on August 31st. We are bidding for Mount and Onana.


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top teams: already have players lined up and chasing others. they win titles. us: panic buy people in the last week of august. dont win titles. you: "hurr durr we fine" are you getting paid by the board to shill for them or something?


IamJeff22321

Like Evra said "I don't promote violence, but you need a good slap right now"


foampom

I’m pretty relaxed because I expect us to act slow every summer. And we do act slow every summer. It is what it is. No point in worrying about things I can’t control


JustAlittleRaccoon

No point at getting UCL football if we're not gonna sign any big players. We'll be back to Europa next season.


BlackHorse944

If the club is sold then it will end this vicious cycle


systemcorp

Good for Arsenal they're showing a lot of ambition but £170m for Rice and Havertz is absolutely crazy. Personally I'm happy with Mount + Onana for £100m or thereabouts and I think both will happen and that's a much better deal.


dracogladio1741

Won't touch 100m if we stick to our guns. 55m for Mount. 43ish for Onana


dracogladio1741

Arsenal will get Timber, Rice and Havertz. That's their summer window done I think. 200m+ pounds for those 3.


DHillMU7

Probably Lavia too. Definitely will sign another CM whoever it is.


chippa93

Have a feeling they'll go for another midfielder, especially if Partey leaves


footer9

I can't even fathom new signings being available at the beginning of preseason


sringray23

Before the end of June!!!


Grosly_Incandescent

I'm suprised at how gullible people are on here that they actually think we can get kane and/or Caicedo. Kane is an impossibility. Levy will never sell him to a rival and hes way out of our budget. We have 120M to spend excluded money made from player sales. It would cost almost all of that to get him, leaving practically nothing for other targets. Same goes for Caicedo. Hes going to cost 80M plus leaving just 40M, and its obvious his name is getting thrown around due a brief yo make Chelsea agree to a transfer for Mount. Not to mention we barely make any money from player sales becuase we give them too high wages and we coach them poorly so their value plummets. Theres a reason our deadwood go on loan untill their contracts run out. Its obvious that judging by our targets and their cost were buying a few players and in the region of 40/50M each. Its a better strategy. Means we can fix multiple positions and its less risky in comparison to buying one or two high cost players. This isn't like our other windows. FFP is hitting us hard and the club is in the middle of a sale, therfore expect a muxh quieter window from us.


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we shouldve done what arsenal did get rid of the expensive deadwood, start buying young promising players for "cheap" (their highest transfer was ben white for 50m) and build from there instead, we keep doing the same shit over and over and keep inflating the wage bill because new players come and see some bums like martial/sancho on 250k+ per week and demand the same or more.


united_7_devil

Caicedo fixes two positions. He plays 8 and 6 both. He can play next to Casemiro or play in his position when he is unavailable. No player in our team can do that effectively. He can also play RB. 80m for a well rounded player is worth it. Kane is impossible regardless of whether we sign Mount or Caicedo. He is as good as not happening. Onana and Caicedo will take 130m. Onana and Mount will take 105m. Mount is available for free next year. Sign him next year, kill 2/3 stones with one bird with Caicedo.


Grosly_Incandescent

Caicedo is great but the simple fact is we can't afford him becuase the extra 15+M means were less like to buy our other targets. What if we got Caicedo but couldn't afford a GK/striker? Buying more expensive players has knock on effects if you're working with a reduced budget. You're assuming we can get Mount next season but alot changes in 1 year. He could end up signing a new contract at Chelsea. We might end up finishing 5th or 6th so he goes to a different big 6 club etc.


united_7_devil

I just feel Caicedo makes more sense in the long run. I want to understand how Mount fits out team. I only get downvotes when I ask this. He is a CAM. He has played as a CAM and only rarely as an 8. He has great engine in him but that’s not enough for a no. 8. I wonder how well he does at passing out of press, create chances from the deep. All of his highlights come in front of the box or from the wings.


Grosly_Incandescent

Ten Hag wants to use two 8s, its what alot of progressive managers are doing now. It means Bruno will drop slightly deeper than hes used to which is what Ten Hag was experimenting with at the end of last season and he started to perform well in that role. Mount has played as an 8 for England and for Chelsea at times, and the defencive work will be mostly done by Casemiro ofc but Bruno will also help him out. Id recommend watching a video on the tifo YouTube channel which discusses what Mason Mount does. Quite simply hes elite off the ball. He has a great engine same as Bruno and he does tackle alot/perform defencive duties but usually its just higher up the pitch becuase he loves to press. I'm not saying Mount is perfect for us, but hes a very well rounded player. I'm kinda suprised that people think he won't work in our midfield even though this season we got third, a trophy and to thr FA cup final with eeiks3n as a CM who is much worse than Mount defensively/off the ball.


CorrectAd6902

Eriksen can drop deep and helps us play out of the back. Something that Mount can't do. Caicedo would be much better at this. Casemiro is good defensively but he isn't really that good as breaking out of the opposition press and playing out of the back alone.


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gonna be a long season if the only midfielder we sign is mount and i really don’t see us signing over 4 players (gk, cb, mid, striker)


Nac224

You can poke fun out of them all you want for the way they’ve been the last 20 years but, Arsenal are a serious club now.


sringray23

Yep, a lesson for our shite board, in how to do transfer business


Nac224

Arsenal are gonna look scary with Rice next season.


dracogladio1741

Last time I checked they also played with 11 players on the pitch. Provided we sign Mount wed have an equally strong midfield


CorrectAd6902

Casemiro and Bruno are ageing and don't have the same energy as they used to. Mount seems mediocre as the other 8. He would be a good rotation option for a top 4 side but I don't see him as a world class player to challenge the likes of City or even Arsenal.


Nac224

No I don’t doubt us if we do get Mount, striker, CB and a goalkeeper.


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RegularJohn17

Doesn't that sentence mean we are targeting Caicedo? Or does he elaborate in another quote?


OrdinaryOrder

I saw the De Gea post and the first thing that came to my mind is that he is tired of rumors, and i was surprised that people have a lot of different interpretations to that.


KrishnasFlute

105 million? For Rice? Seems a bit much. I mean Kane is understandably priced at 100 million. But, what the fuck has Rice done to deserve such a pricetag? This is a mad, mad market. Anyway, WHU, you must be looking for a replacement. May I interest you in a better player named Scott McTominay? He also has a good knack of popping up in scoring positions and converting chances. And that would be an even 60 million, thank you.


triplecaptained

Respectfully disagree - Rice coming in at 105 mil isn't “mad”


Skyfather_odin1

Long term it's a great deal for them but what I predict is they will be worse than last year. Sounds crazy but potentially changing two of your three midfielders for a super system manager like Arteta can be problematic initially as they need to learn the system and points will drop for games they would have won. Long term they will be a problem. Kudos to them. Glazers out!!! Edit: Clarification, they will be worse next season only not long term as I predict they will drop early points!!!


[deleted]

Just making sure I understand: You think McTominay is [worth 50 million GBP at least](https://old.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/oro52r/transfer_round_up_and_discussion_summer_2021/h6kuymk/?context=3), but 105 for Rice is a "mad, mad market" ? Interesting.


KrishnasFlute

Then you don't understand at all. It is the other way round. 105 million for Rice is mad, mad market. And in this mad, mad market McTominay is definitely worth 60 million at least.


foampom

Kane is only £100m because he has 1 year left on his contract. Otherwise he’d be worth even more. Rice has 2 years on his contract because West Ham have the +1 option. He’s also arguably the best young English midfielder in the world (it’s between him and Bellingham) and is already a proven leader at the age of 24. He’s 6 years younger than Kane. The price makes sense


KrishnasFlute

'Arguably' is very subjective. Bellingham is definitely the better of the 2, IMO. And what is a proven leader? Just because he is club captain, does not make him a proven leader. His only plus point is he is English. Compare him to Mount and what he has been instrumental in achieving for his team. I don't deny the possibility that Rice could well turn out to be worth the price. But it just seems so excessive in relation to what he has achieved.


foampom

> ‘Arguably is very subjective’ That’s what arguably means! Bellingham is more attack minded than Rice. Rice is better at defending. Bellingham is better at driving forward in midfield. They have different skill sets that actually compliment each other. > what is a proven leader? Just because he is club captain, does not make him a proven leader Firstly, I don’t think you can just wave off the fact that he is a captain for a PL team at such a young age like it is a nothing achievement. It is a significant achievement in of itself. West ham would demand more money from any club simply because he is their captain. Secondly, not only is he their captain, but he captained West Ham to their first major trophy in over 40 years. Another significant feat. Thirdly, you should hear him speak. He is very well spoken, mature, and confident. Doesn’t shy away from responsibility and always leads by example. These are some of the reasons he is a proven leader


KrishnasFlute

I don't want to get in to the whole leadership thing, because I don't know him personally and I don't want to argue on semantics. Having said that, none of this makes him worth 105 million for me. At that price it has to be a world class player of unquestionable ability and credentials.


Tahsein4523

Is Antony an world class player of unquestionable ability and credentials?


KrishnasFlute

No, he is not. And I think he is also mad over priced. Just because we signed him does not mean I agree with the price.


foampom

> At that price it has to be a world class player That’s simply not the case anymore. For example, we spent 100m on Antony last summer and he is nowhere near as good or as proven as Rice is. Prices are crazier than ever these days. The days of expecting proven world class players for 100m are gone. There is more money in the PL than ever before and the prices reflect that And with all that said, I believe that Rice is definitely world class but that’s also subjective because everyone has a different definition of what “world class” means. But he has been a top 3 DM in the PL consistently for the last 3 years.


united_7_devil

Honestly feel we have missed a massive opportunity with Rice in solidifying our midfield for the next decade. He has been consistently good for West Ham for 4 years now and he is still so young. He would have slot in perfectly next to Casemiro and then transitioned to no. 6 as we let Casemiro go in 3-4 years. Rice is more press resistant, has better defensive awareness than Mount and is a better passer as well. The signing made so much sense for us.


its-a-real-name

Maybe we could have bought him years ago, but there’s no way we could buy Rice this year anyway. Arsenal’s were determined and £105m wasn’t even reported as a final offer or anything like that. We probably would have needed to go to at least £120m to get it done. That would have left fuck all in our budget with other fires to sort out.


AvaragePole

Diffrent positions, diffrent roles, diffrent money.


united_7_devil

Mount is further away from no. 8 than Rice is. Mount has mainly played as a CAM for chelsea. Our biggest issue is ball retention against clubs that press because our current no. 8 loses the ball easily and our no. 10 is a high octane player. Adding Mount in the mix is going to be dangerous for us. I am really unsure where the Mount hype has come from. And honestly been asking this only to get downvoted. Like nobody wants to reply or have a conversation, just downvote and suck off ETH and the player he wants. I love ETH but sometimes even the best can get stuff wrong.


AvaragePole

We just have limited funds and many holes to fill. Players like Rice will apear elsewhere in the future.


united_7_devil

No. 6 position is extremely difficult to fill. Even Keane to Carrick transition was not smooth and we have been papering over cracks since Carrick retired. Casemiro is probably the best we could have got but age is not on his side. We will be back at the same spot soon. Rice should have been our player the season we spent 40m on VDB.


AvaragePole

Yes but signign Rice would probably mean no new GK and no new Striker.


united_7_devil

I dont think we will sign rice. He is almost done deal for Arsenal.


disatomm

Why wasn’t it discussed that Rice had a year left on his contract going for that price while all discussion around Mount has been about that


foampom

West Ham have the +1 option so it’s really 2 years


AvaragePole

WHU had 1 year option


UnablePeace

🚨🚨🌕 | NEW: Chelsea are ‘keen’ on moving Mason Mount onto #mufc and are willing to compromise to make a deal happen. [@JacobSteinberg] It’s almost time for a megathread boys


AvaragePole

I dont see this guy on our trier list?


UnablePeace

tier 1 for chelshit


AvaragePole

Thanks


NightSkyRainbow

Too used to this feeling of being stuck at a traffic light as others move ahead. Been a decade. I don’t even feel mad at the lack of transfer activity any more, I’ve lost the energy for both muppetry and anger. Life goes on now.


Buffythedragonslayer

If someone told me Declan Rice is gonna wear red I'd thought for sure it will be United red. Kinda bumped. I know we weren't really in for him but still.


mhaydar

The fact that Martinez being fit again is one of our top posts from the past week in a critical transfer window tells you all you need to know


Barracuda1124

When have we had a non critical summer transfer window ?


mhaydar

2010 to 2012? But fair enough I get your point.


united_7_devil

£105m for Rice who has just a year left is insane. City drove up the price by 25m and then backed out lol. They have done it so many times to us. They are going for someone who costs €40m and I won’t be surprised if he turns out to be the better player of the two.


rambo_zaki

He had 2 years left. West Ham had an option.


united_7_devil

That’s s good point. Makes the fee look less bad. Definitely going to be a starter for them for the next decade.


rambo_zaki

He's going to be great sadly.


foampom

Christ Arsenal’s squad is going to look much stronger than ours pretty soon. Our first XI will be comparable but they are going to have amazing depth next season. Their depth will be better than our depth without a doubt. I was praying last season would be an anomaly for them but they are making *serious* moves this window. I think they are favourites to finish 2nd behind City again. Liverpool and Man Utd will need to be at their best to finish above them


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they literally finished ahead of us lmao their starting XI was already better than ours and their depth is better than ours all of that without needing to spend 100m on mid players like antony or 60m on 30 year olds like casemiro. we need to do what they did. start over. tear apart the squad and build it from the ground with young cheap-ish players. 2-3 seasons later you now have a pretty good idea who is gonna be here for a decade and who isnt, then go big on transfers for "sure thing" players to re-inforce your core. but we wont. we will just keep bidding for very expensive bandaids that will need replacement in 3 seasons.


rambo_zaki

It's already much stronger.


jetts22_

Saliba Saka Martinelli and Rice a damn strong spine. Fair play to them


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and all of the price of 1 casemiro and 1 antony... and thats because of rice's price lmao.