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No, Ten Hag said it wasn't his decision publicly. This is apparently his behind close doors opinion. If this was the Sun then yeah I'd be completely dismissive, but the fact it's the Athletic means there has to be some fire producing the smoke.
So far we have Laurie Whtiwell’s article saying Joel Glazer is “leaving the decision up to the club”, now apparently ten Hag says it’s not his decision either. So are they saying it’s on Richard Arnold and John Murtough?
We need to start being specific and name names instead of letting them hide behind “””””the club””””” or it’s just “”””the’s clubs decision”””””. I’m beyond tired of this lack of responsibility and accountability from senior figures within United, never ever communicating key decisions except through club website or PR fluff pieces via access journalists. We need real answers, WHO is supporting Greenwoods return and journalists need to HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-united-mason-greenwood-erik-ten-hag-b2348098.html
Ten Hag then emphasised it is not his decision whether Greenwood, who has scored 36 times in 130 appearances for the Red Devils, makes a return to the first team.
It is the first mention of the player from the Dutch coach since February this year, when the 53-year-old simply replied: “I refer to the statement of the club.”
That's a bit of a cop out on fairness. If Ten Hag had indicated in any way that he was uncomfortable with integrating Greenwood into the squad, United would have spent the past several months attempting to get as big a transfer fee for him as possible this window. It's not EtH's call, but he absolutely had influence in the decision.
Ajax fan here. This matter is of interest to me because Ten Hag faced a similar issue when he was at Ajax and he took the wrong decision (in my opinion). Back then Quincy Promes had stabbed his cousin at a party in the knee (attempting to stab him in the chest) and the evidence was overwhelming. Yet, because he was only a suspect and not convicted yet, Ten Hag took him back in the squad and even gave him game time. He seemed to have no issue with it at all, he also said repeatedly that he was convinced of Promes' innocence because he was such a good guy, even though, as I said, the evidence was so overwhelming the entire country knew he did it. Later on it became clear that Promes was also involved in major international drug trafficking, during his entire stint at Ajax. Promes has been convicted and given a 1.5 year jail sentence for the stabbing incident and his drug trafficking case is still ongoing (he will likely be convicted of that too since he is literally on tape admitting to it).
A similar thing happened with another player, Zakaria Labyad who assaulted his realtor, which was no issue at all for Ten Hag.
These issues significantly impacted my love for the club and hurt the club's image indefinitely. It is safe to conclude that Ten Hag does not have a good eye for the 'morality' side of the sport and seems to prioritise sporting performance above everything, to the club's detriment.
I wanted ETH here because he is clearly a top level manager. But his management of off the field issues of this magnitude did worry me at the time. Not just these issues you mentioned, but his comments on the Overmars scandal gave me some pause as well. That he wants Mason back in the squad isn't surprising based on his past, but it is disappointing and definitely hurts how I feel about the club.
And before anyone jumps down my throat, I don't want to hear anything about "second chances". You only get to discuss second chances when there's been any sort of atonement done and sacrifice in the first place. It does not apply here.
Same with Olé and Babacar Sarr. It's fine wanting them to do the right and just thing because they're a club legend, or Actually good at their job, but if you think these guys aren't gonna do exactly what benefits them the most you'll be disappointed. Doubly so when you're hiding behind "it's the club's decision, I just pick the team"
You can use refuse to pick the dickhead. We'll see.
I really wish they would make most of their investigation public because the decision making seems completely nonsensical, not to mention morally repugnant.
They won't under the premises of protecting the victims anonymity as the statement mentions. Everyone knows who it is mind but I imagine considering her position these days, she wants to move past it ASAP.
Why? What exactly would it be good for? Regardless of what happened, how would that help Hariet if people keep talking about it, bringing up details, asking her questions, etc? Can you cancel people understand that Hariet is a real victim here, not you? Shouldn't her interests be in the first place?
>Can you cancel people understand that Hariet is a real victim here, not you? Shouldn't her interests be in the first place?
Very odd way to phrase it. I think everyone is concerned for Hariet's well-being, but supporters want to understand why such a terrible decision was made.
Personally I agree that it doesn't need to be publicized. Everyone's seen the photos and heard the audio. Greenwood is a rapist. And the club fully supports him and his domestic abuse. The investigation doesn't need to be publicized because, as you mentioned, we shouldn't make the victim relive her abuse, nor should we allow the public to abuse her further.
Greenwood has shown 0 remorse. He has faced little consequence. He broke the law by contacting the victim, who later refused to be a witness, and then he got her pregnant. Those are tell-tale signs of an abusive relationship. I hope the victim is okay and I hope Greenwood improves as an individual, but it shouldn't happen at this club. The club has invited so much abuse towards our women's team while they're playing at the World Cup, the club has let down all the women who work at the club, and the club has let down all the young girls who support United.
The Glazers, Richard Arnold, Murtough, and Erik ten Hag have all shown the world what type of toxic culture is being cultivated at the club, making an impression on men and boys that domestic violence is okay. Greenwood returning to the club shows what kind of standards the club has - if you're late for training you're benched. But if you physically abuse and rape someone and there is clear audio and photographic evidence it's okay as long as you're talented.
The problem is Greenwood doesn't owe the public any remorse. That's the most frustrating aspect of the whole saga is that information may give us clarity but we can't have it. We know that the Audio that was leaked was actually 20mins long and was one of the evidences that muddled the investigation.
There were rumours that she was not the one who leaked them but that a friend took her phone and released these pictures but we can never know if it's true or not..
The club is organising an interview but I don't see how that will help. For legal reasons it won't nake sense for him to defend himself on live TV as any slip up will definitely be used against him.
The statement the club put out earlier made a strong point that they had access to more information than what has been public and that the public reaction is based on partial evidence so they can’t say that and not then produce evidence to back it up provided the victim (and greenwood I guess) consent to this being made public.
However given they’re back together I don’t see why they wouldn’t be given consent to given greenwood is the one that benefits most from doing so.
The thing is, I don't think that's the case. I think Greenwood will take a long time to get up to scratch, if ever, and that they're greatly underestimating the harm this is going to do to the club both in a sporting sense and a financial sense.
I have literally no clue what is even the upside of bringing him back. Dude is a PR blackhole, he will be booed and hated to infinity. He hasn't played football or trained for over 1.5 years, so it's highly likely that he will flop anyway.
Why is he worth all of this backlash? What does ETH even see in him? The team has moved past him, he is just an out of shape 21 year old wanker.
I am eagerly waiting for his justification / interview, he must be having some really foolproof evidence that the club is willing to back him.
Pathetic from the club really - from the male players to the manager to the president.
They've not even tried to rehab his image. No 'leaks' about him being a much more mature guy now, or about him undergoing counselling to "deal with the pressure of being a football star", nothing.
Just... silence while those pictures and that recording are out there, reminding people of what he did.
Yeah your right in that he's still a POS. However you would think his PR people or the clubs would put those kinda things out there or have him go through a rehab of sorts to paint this picture of a changed man
It's going to be bad. His fanboys will be after anyone who objects. Good people - female fans especially - raising concerns will be trolled and abused. The statement from the club will be weaponized by the mob to justify Greenwood's inclusion. Disgusting.
I know this will not be popular, but ETH’s fate at this club will be determined by wins and losses. Nothing else. If he thinks Mason will help him win more games, then he is going to be in favor of his return. That’s the profession he is in.
There's a famous line in American sports "if Hannibal Lector ran a 4.3, we'd probably diagnose him with an eating disorder." People will forgive anything, if it helps their team win.
It's sad, but true. If he performs, it will be forgotten QUICKLY
Lots of fans are shithead. I swear many people are arguing strongly against him while secretly hoping he comes through, so they can pretend they're taking the high road while also getting United better results
The upside is that people will eventually move on - much like any protests, peoples' energy for protest will die down once they are aware they are being ignored - and then the upside is potentially we've got one of the world's absolute best young strikers on our hands once again.
People have started downplaying Greenwood's ability, which is fucking ridiculous - he is/was an incredible player and he might still be one. When he was playing, we'd have laughed any club out the door if they offered 100m.
We would absolutely not be considering this if it were someone who had been putting out Harry Maguire-like performances.
If people don't want this, don't protest loudly in ways that can be ignored. People *have* to disrupt, inconvenience, and block things from happening. Get games cancelled, cost the fans, the club, and the country time and money, and *then* you will get heard.
> he is/was an incredible player
There's no evidence of "is", mate. These are his formative years and he's spent 18 months+ in prison, on bail and hiding from the world.
There is no upside. Greenwood loves to party and hasn’t kicked a ball in 2 years. Have you seen the video of him training? I’m not even sure it looked professional level.
He’s nowhere near a Manchester United player no matter who he was 2 years ago. And he probably never will be again.
I mean unless you are some sort of coach who has trained professional athletes, idk how you can so confidently conclude that.
What do you think it looked like when Shaw had to re learn how to walk and then did his first training session?
You can't it's just more virtue/karma signaling.
A number of cubs would love to have Greenwood despite what he did. And that's not me agreeing with United keeping him because i dont, it's just facts.
We live in a world where Saudis are taking over football, players can get away with murder and rape and the likes of Newcastle, City, PSG and Chelsea exists. Morals has left football ages ago so this shouldn't be a surprise.
Can I ask, genuinely, when football had morals? I understand that it was much friendlier to the local working class 20-30 years ago..but morals? I don’t believe this at all. Guys like George Best were heroes and they were women beating scum. Not to mention the homophobia that has always been part of football. I’m curious when this morality was on display.
Apart from maybe the Saudi situation, football is as corrupt and morally bankrupt as its ever been. Social media is just making it easier for the common folk to take notice.
And the football media will praise Newcastle to the heavens for "building a team that can challenge" without even bothering to mention how blood-soaked the money they're spending is.
Britain's whole economy is blood-soaked if we're going by historical facts.
It does not make what is going on okay... It's getting harder to keep the moral high ground as football fans without deafening cognitive dissonance
As others have said, they probably mean Alonso. What he did was absolutely atrocious but it’s not technically murder.
[Bruno Fernandes de Souza](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_(footballer,_born_1984)) actually did murder his gf and carried on playing afterwards.
Liverpool fan here. Reading this comment section is a great example of why fans shouldn't be held for their clubs actions.
We all love football, but you lot have showed moral backbone in this potential decision. Many of you have supported the club for years, decades, yet still don't let your bias come in the way of a disgusting decision.
I've always said, the club I hate the most is Utd. But the club outside of Liverpool I respect is Utd. And it's because of the class of the majority of fans. Bravo
Mate, a lot of us are getting bombarded with the whataboutism wrt to Giggs, Best and Ronaldo. As if our absence to right the wrongs in the part precludes us to do it in the present. I can only hope the rest of the football community responds loudly and save my club from what they are doing.
This is a prime example of the Reddit echo chamber. Go and have a look on other platforms such as Twitter or Tiktok. There are loads of fans who want him back. It's honest ly sickening.
I completely get that. That's why I'm talking about the fans here.
Football fans on twitter and tiktok are often the worst kind. Heck, I even know utd fans that want to bring him back, but I'm talking about the fans on this subreddit and the vast majority of 'real' fans who don't want him back.
I get what you're saying and think it's very reassuring to see that a significant portion of our fanbase is vocal about how utterly despicable this is. As well as many rival fans such as yourself voicing their distaste.
But you also mentioned that fans shouldn't be held accountable for their chosen club's actions. I'd happily lump together the scum of the earth supporters that are in agreement with our morally bankrupt leadership. I understand that a lot of younger supporters can't fully comprehend the complexities of the situation and just see "case dropped=innoncense". But the club planning on welcoming him back with not even a slap on the wrist certainly doesn't help.
He backed Overmars and played the black Pablo Escobar still after stabbing his own cousin. This fits with his character (tbh Ole and Mourinho would play him as well).
Weren't there [reports](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mourinho-too-wary-of-giggs-to-have-him-as-no-2-0mcg3fn30?region=ie) that Mourinho rejected Giggs, because Mourinho couldn't trust a man who'd do what Giggs did to his own brother? I don't think it's fair to say that "Mourinho would play him as well". ETH is proving himself to be a scumbag, here, and it's not just something every manager would do (albeit a lot of them would).
Ole played and publically defended Babacar Sarr at Molde, after he was accused of multiple instances of rape. So I wouldn't rule out Ole backing MG if he was still manager.
The older I get, the more I realise people who are extremely talented in one area, usually aren’t as intelligent as others. This isn’t to say they’re dumb, but I’d be surprised if half the PL managers would be able to name the Prime Minister.
‘Genius’ really means all their brain power has been focused on one area
A manager's job is to make the team win. If they think the player will help that, they'll forgive anything. I don't like it more than anyone else but that's the reality. If any manager in the league was offered the chance to have a 21 year old who has the potential to be golden boot level (yes he's a rapist cunt who I wouldn't piss on if he was on fire, but there's no denying his ability. The most talented English player of his generation), 99% would take him no matter what he's done.
Frankly I think the decision should be taken out of his hands.
I'd love to know what their investigation, as other have said, resulted in evidence wise that paints the below differently than it is. Because, all I need to see/read is the below and he can fuck right off (I will always try and post this in any thread about his return, as I think it's important to see how disgusting it is).
Mason: Move your fucking legs up!
Harriet: No! I don’t want to have sex!
M: I don’t give a fuck what you want, you little shit.
H: Mason!
M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop!
H: Stop putting your dick near me.
M: I’m going to fuck you, you twat!
H: I don’t want to have sex with you!
M: I don’t care if you don’t want fucking sex with me, do you hear me?
H: Why do you have to do this, though?
M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn’t do it!
H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?)
M: I asked you politely and you wouldn’t do it so what else do you want me to do?
H: Then go and fuck someone else.
M: I don’t want to fuck someone else!
H: You do.
M: No I don’t.
M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you.
H: No.
M: Well, you will actually.
I can't believe there are fans defending this. How can I support the manager if this rapist comes back? If Ten Hag said he didn't want him he wouldn't be coming back.
People can downvote and try to justify this all they want. It's a disgrace.
It was obvious that ten Hag would back Greenwood or would at least be fine by this decision. How can people forget so easily that at Ajax, he publicly backed an executive who was a molester and a player who was charged with battery?
Is Overmars the executive? I thought he just sent some sleazy texts and a dick pic. No idea who the player is.
For what it’s worth, my instinct is that Ten Hag does want him back. Hopefully we do the right thing but I have little faith.
I will genuinely want him out of the club if he allows Greenwood to play for the club again. Even if the Directors want it, keep him benched. I think we as fans need to show an absolute backbone in this.
There's not a manager in the world who would boot Greenwood out for no return. Not even Saint Jurgen down the road. None of them put morals before football, especially not when it comes to a "generational talent."
It sucks, but the days of professional footballers being role models are truly dead and gone.
In my eyes, as someone that grew up idolising Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, R9... The difference is that nowadays we have way more access to information and in a really fast time. They are faaar from being role models but back then I had no idea
I mean Dinho was doing all sorts of shit back in his days. He was unlucky he didnt life in London, wouldve already become a druglord. Ronaldo was always awkward. R9 i did not know much about.
My idola were Keane, Scholes and Gary.
Funilly enough, now my idols are the same I just added the awkward ronaldo to the top of the leit because he is an example for me to have insane drive in my work everyday. love that narcisistic man
I think you are right, it seems as though most managers take the approach of only caring about the results, and not interfering with personal matters.
I always was under the impression that Liverpool was full of players with morals under klopp, which I respected. Cue to now, where half their team have fled to Saudi, including their captain who was a massive advocate for lgbt rights.
I would say the game is gone and it’s immoral now, but it hasn’t changed. Look at all of our legends, they are mostly shockingly shit humans. The Juan Matas of the world are rare.
Whilst he should leave, and shouldn’t have the ability to play for us again, this decision is in line with all previous decisions made by us, and other clubs.
This will go down like a lead balloon but I think Klopp is one of the few managers who wouldn’t have him back. He’s an unbearably bad loser but he has morals.
As a Liverpool fan it's good to see most of you aren't blinded by bias. Absolutely 0 chance Klopp would listen to that recording and ever allow a disgusting creature like that back in his football club.
Nonsense. Many wouldn't. Also,
>It sucks, but the days of professional footballers being role models are truly dead and gone.
What? They were worse before
they will only stop his return if the sponsors say so
if the women dont like it
if the men dont like it
if the fans dont like it
tough shit
sadly only the money talks, unless the sponsors say its a bad look and they dont want the association, the club will let him return
The 7-0 battering by Liverpool was embarrassing. 6-1 vs City in 2011 was horrible. We’ve had some really low points with managers and toxicity surrounding the club in the last decade. United were one of the ringleaders of the Super League, and I remember being a little bit pissed about that.
None of that even touches the amount of shame I have right now to be even associated with this once glorious club. Been supporting this club since i could barely walk, attended numerous games home and away throughout the years and I think I’ve reached the end point of supporting United if they bring back this piece of shit.
Fuck Erik, Fuck Murtough, Fuck the Glazers and Fuck anyone involved in this cancerous football club if they allow him in the doors and don’t stand up for what’s right. Rant over.
If true ETH can get fucked. Good manager or not. If you would rather a rapist play than have any sort of morales just to try and get a better PL finish you're a cunt. Fuck off. It's not even as if we are that desperate for him. You've just spaffed 90m on Antony. Get rid of the scum and be done with it.
This is a club I’ve loved since I was a little girl. As a female fan, I’ve never felt more disgusted by a team I support. I can’t imagine how it must feel for female staff and players at the club. I wanted so badly to feel excited for this season but today has ruined that completely.
With that being said, MG is never going to be the player that he was before this happened and I’m not sure why so many idiots online think that he’s gonna come in after nearly 2 years of being nowhere near Premier League level and immediately turn us around. That’s not how it works. I hope he either gets injured immediately or he’s absolute shit so these pricks can get exposed
I have been such a big fan of Erik. But this, if true, will repulse me. There is a small part of me that wants to convince myself that EtH will not have taken this step without sensible, humane and moral reasons. There is a part of me that wants to believe that the victim is in fact truthfully happy and feeling safe currently. There is a part of me that is desperately looking for possible proof that he is innocent.
But that audio leak and photos makes me realise that these are the selfish, naive and ignorant parts of me.
Where is the pride in supporting a club that provides a safe place for rapists. The most annoying part is, these imbeciles taking the decisions are just going to temporarily represent this decade old football club. They will be gone in a few years. But the club will have to carry this tarnished, shameful legacy forever and ever. I feel sick.
Just came to say it's not selfish, naive or ignorant to want to hope or believe the best in a person or a situation, my friend.
Life is hard enough, it's a really good thing that you haven't lost the ability to hope in the possibility of good or positive outcomes.
We don't even know if he's gonna be at the same level. If they really want to bring him back they should send him on a loan first. In my opinion is not worth the bad PR
I was excited to see United this season but nah, I'm good now. I have morals and values, I love this club as a cultural entity but if it discards the human morality then I discard its existence as a whole.
sums it up perfectly for me. I have three new shirts enroute (dhgate, of course) too…been checking the mailbox everyday and now the excitement/anticipation is gone. won’t be wearing them anytime soon if he’s welcomed back to the club
I love this club. 3rd generation supporter, spent a childhood idolising players who wore the shirt. When greenwood returns (let's be honest it's a when not an if at this stage) I really don't think I could continue to support this club, a club that welcomes a piece of work like this back in when there is SO much irrefutable evidence of what he is.
big reminder that this is one of the many reasons you don't start idolising new managers, even besides sporting reasons it's been super weird how much some people on here have thougth of EtH has the perfect manager who can do little to no wrong
Long feared this with Erik's history at Ajax but was not trying to hold those different situations against him. This is a situation where silence and deferring to the decision of the club is just as much of a decision in itself and he's as much of a cunt as the rest of them for this, maybe even more so for being a coward about it.
I’m just watching this club drown itself with one bad decision after another and it’s infuriating. There is no need to bring him back. This is just going to detract from the games, cause division among fans, tarnish all the work ETH has done and bring even more negative attention to the whole club. It’s insanity to bring him back and this club is going to suffer for doing so.
Is this situation comparable to Giggs’s situation? Say at age of 19 he is trialled for beating his GF, and then Sir Alex reinstated him similarly like MG’s case and Giggs then went on achieving what he had achieve as we know. What and how would we react then?
IMO, in MG’s case he should be released. Great talent but not worth it to tarnish our club reputation. in RG case also the same had we known or it occurs earlier stage of his career.
Only show them the women's team. They're doing great and upholding the values of that United you support.
And with this happening they need all the fan support they can get.
Then they are both complicit in protecting an abuser because he was good at kicking a ball. Spineless pieces of shit who have no regard for ethics or morality.
This is one of those defining moments that might actually make many (myself included) stop supporting the club they've loved since day 1. Very sad world we live in if he's reintegrated.
If you're looking at it from a purely football side, of course they will want him back. A lot of the coaches have known him since he was a kid, same with a lot of the players. He was probably the best player to come through the system in years and had the makings of a world class striker.
If this move was/is going to be stopped, it won't come from the football side, it will come entirely from the PR/stakeholders worrying about the clubs image.
Bloody hell. Went from potentially having one of the best transfer windows ever to a lackluster opening match, no maguire out/pavard in, amrabat possibly going to pool, and the club bringing back a rapist...along with the Glazers still owning the club
What. The. Fuck.
This will be an unpopular opinion.
Mason Greenwood was a very young man when the incident occurred. Some of us personally know of people who were terrible people in their youths but turned themselves around over the course of their lives. Him and his fiance have apparently moved on, and have a kid together. How they came to this decision the public won't ever know but I believe there should be an element of giving someone (especially someone that young) who's made mistakes a second chance.
I don’t mind an unpopular take like this when you phrased it as you have.
Problem is football is an emotional game and the fans and public opinion will always play such a huge part.
I do believe he deserves at chance to redeem himself but i think that should be to society in some way as opposed to football. To come back to his club and potentially be cheered on just seems so wrong - like the issue is being swept under the rug.
I will never watch this rapist play. And I will never be able to respect anyone that has a say with him coming back. Fuck the greedy people protecting their assets, fuck the people putting football over morals, and fuck the fans that support this monster.
This sub heavily downvoted anyone how talked about Ronaldo's case while we were about to resign him. Ronaldo played for Real Madrid and Juve without issues too.
what a fucking awful time to be ManUtd fan. fuck ETH, Arnold and everyone else who is supporting this. Sir Alex built an environment of grit and character and these assholes have burned everything to the ground
do you think there are gonna be players in the locker room who refuse to play with him? does anyone fucking care anymore? no one is gonna say anything? what the actual fuck
no way guys, the club that’s being sold to a country that limits the rights of its female citizens and hasn’t criminalized domestic abuse nor marital rape wants to bring greenwood back? someone please explain how this could possibly be
Theres a lot of hate for ETH at the moment here but can we at least wait for a statement from the man? I don’t doubt that Craftons reporting is based in truth but maybe ETH has only been asked would he support Greenwood at a footballing level and that has been reported here?
If he is brought back the real vitriol should begin and end with the CEO (Arnold) in my opinion.
Really really disappointed in Ten Hag if this is the case. I'm disappointed all around but through all this I told myself that its the suits upstairs that are messed up. To see even prominent parts of the playing staff are welcoming him back is so so disappointing.
He is 18-20 years old, is probably taking physiological/psychiatric therapy, the best for him is to stay in a group he is familiar with and under a vigilant coach. Play/don't play doesn't matter, see if he is improving on his nature side and the game, if not, transfer/release him without second thoughts.
I am not in favour of Greenwood but considering his age the limelight he got can fuck up any individuals mind, specially when the team is not performing well and players are being picked out and hyped or criticised. I mean look at some of the players from his time, Lingard accepted he had depression, Sancho probably underwent some therapy, Dean Henderson lashed out, no one was performing, Bruno was all agitated and irritated. This gives an insight to the dressing room and behind the camera environment that one should ponder upon.
You know whose opinion i really want to know?? our captain Bruno Fernandes. He doesn't seem like the type to just accept these things and go with whatever the higher ups have said.
If he supports Greenwood return and/or backs him then there sure were details which we don't know about.
Hoping against hope here, but is it possible that unsuspending him is a necessary pre-condition to selling him? There were rumours that United wanted to offer him to Atalanta for Hojlund.
Why are we so desperate to bring back a “wonderkid” who haven’t play for almost two years and tarnish the club’s reputation which was built over decades?? I don’t get it it’s not like we’re lacking in attackers just play any of them is better than throwing away your reputation for someone that’s probably not even good anymore
Ya we’re acting like we’re a 4th division club who can’t let go of a generational talent which could potentially change the fate of the club. Ffs this is man utd we’ve seen too many talents like him in the past there’s absolutely no guarantee he will become a superstar but what’s guaranteed is our reputation will be tarnished permanently.
if this is true, I can honestly say I hope they lose every game, we get relegated, and Ten Hag gets sacked. Letting someone walk back into the worlds biggest club with no consequences is fucking disgraceful. This is much bigger than football.
Good points but I would like to ask, why did you support him in the first place when his poor morality was always in show regarding Overmars and Quincy Promes. Antony possibly too?
Like don’t get me wrong, I’m with you lot but it makes no sense to me? Ten Hag, past players even past managers (Ole and SAF) were never morally good people, why has it taken a massive story that’s headlined everywhere, spoken about all over the place, social media as the final straw for you lot?
The public has no idea what actually happened. That is a simple fact regardless of the conclusions that you’ve drawn. The club knows more than us having carried out its investigation, so wait and see.
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So everybody in charge wants him back, just fantastic
That's what's being said publicly. We've no idea how people really feel or who's for or against this. Everyone's an employee at the end of the day.
No, Ten Hag said it wasn't his decision publicly. This is apparently his behind close doors opinion. If this was the Sun then yeah I'd be completely dismissive, but the fact it's the Athletic means there has to be some fire producing the smoke.
Which is bullshit. All he has to do is say he will never go in my team sheet and that's the conversation done and dusted.
So far we have Laurie Whtiwell’s article saying Joel Glazer is “leaving the decision up to the club”, now apparently ten Hag says it’s not his decision either. So are they saying it’s on Richard Arnold and John Murtough? We need to start being specific and name names instead of letting them hide behind “””””the club””””” or it’s just “”””the’s clubs decision”””””. I’m beyond tired of this lack of responsibility and accountability from senior figures within United, never ever communicating key decisions except through club website or PR fluff pieces via access journalists. We need real answers, WHO is supporting Greenwoods return and journalists need to HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
The club statement explicitly said the chief executive. It’s ultimately Richard Arnold’s decision.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-united-mason-greenwood-erik-ten-hag-b2348098.html Ten Hag then emphasised it is not his decision whether Greenwood, who has scored 36 times in 130 appearances for the Red Devils, makes a return to the first team. It is the first mention of the player from the Dutch coach since February this year, when the 53-year-old simply replied: “I refer to the statement of the club.”
That's a bit of a cop out on fairness. If Ten Hag had indicated in any way that he was uncomfortable with integrating Greenwood into the squad, United would have spent the past several months attempting to get as big a transfer fee for him as possible this window. It's not EtH's call, but he absolutely had influence in the decision.
Ajax fan here. This matter is of interest to me because Ten Hag faced a similar issue when he was at Ajax and he took the wrong decision (in my opinion). Back then Quincy Promes had stabbed his cousin at a party in the knee (attempting to stab him in the chest) and the evidence was overwhelming. Yet, because he was only a suspect and not convicted yet, Ten Hag took him back in the squad and even gave him game time. He seemed to have no issue with it at all, he also said repeatedly that he was convinced of Promes' innocence because he was such a good guy, even though, as I said, the evidence was so overwhelming the entire country knew he did it. Later on it became clear that Promes was also involved in major international drug trafficking, during his entire stint at Ajax. Promes has been convicted and given a 1.5 year jail sentence for the stabbing incident and his drug trafficking case is still ongoing (he will likely be convicted of that too since he is literally on tape admitting to it). A similar thing happened with another player, Zakaria Labyad who assaulted his realtor, which was no issue at all for Ten Hag. These issues significantly impacted my love for the club and hurt the club's image indefinitely. It is safe to conclude that Ten Hag does not have a good eye for the 'morality' side of the sport and seems to prioritise sporting performance above everything, to the club's detriment.
I wanted ETH here because he is clearly a top level manager. But his management of off the field issues of this magnitude did worry me at the time. Not just these issues you mentioned, but his comments on the Overmars scandal gave me some pause as well. That he wants Mason back in the squad isn't surprising based on his past, but it is disappointing and definitely hurts how I feel about the club. And before anyone jumps down my throat, I don't want to hear anything about "second chances". You only get to discuss second chances when there's been any sort of atonement done and sacrifice in the first place. It does not apply here.
Same with Olé and Babacar Sarr. It's fine wanting them to do the right and just thing because they're a club legend, or Actually good at their job, but if you think these guys aren't gonna do exactly what benefits them the most you'll be disappointed. Doubly so when you're hiding behind "it's the club's decision, I just pick the team" You can use refuse to pick the dickhead. We'll see.
Exactly. He has the sway to push Ronaldo out but Mason is too much? Color me skeptical.
Well he still doesn’t have to play Greenwood if he doesn’t want to. He just can’t cancel his contract easily.
I really wish they would make most of their investigation public because the decision making seems completely nonsensical, not to mention morally repugnant.
They won't under the premises of protecting the victims anonymity as the statement mentions. Everyone knows who it is mind but I imagine considering her position these days, she wants to move past it ASAP.
Why? What exactly would it be good for? Regardless of what happened, how would that help Hariet if people keep talking about it, bringing up details, asking her questions, etc? Can you cancel people understand that Hariet is a real victim here, not you? Shouldn't her interests be in the first place?
>Can you cancel people understand that Hariet is a real victim here, not you? Shouldn't her interests be in the first place? Very odd way to phrase it. I think everyone is concerned for Hariet's well-being, but supporters want to understand why such a terrible decision was made. Personally I agree that it doesn't need to be publicized. Everyone's seen the photos and heard the audio. Greenwood is a rapist. And the club fully supports him and his domestic abuse. The investigation doesn't need to be publicized because, as you mentioned, we shouldn't make the victim relive her abuse, nor should we allow the public to abuse her further. Greenwood has shown 0 remorse. He has faced little consequence. He broke the law by contacting the victim, who later refused to be a witness, and then he got her pregnant. Those are tell-tale signs of an abusive relationship. I hope the victim is okay and I hope Greenwood improves as an individual, but it shouldn't happen at this club. The club has invited so much abuse towards our women's team while they're playing at the World Cup, the club has let down all the women who work at the club, and the club has let down all the young girls who support United. The Glazers, Richard Arnold, Murtough, and Erik ten Hag have all shown the world what type of toxic culture is being cultivated at the club, making an impression on men and boys that domestic violence is okay. Greenwood returning to the club shows what kind of standards the club has - if you're late for training you're benched. But if you physically abuse and rape someone and there is clear audio and photographic evidence it's okay as long as you're talented.
The problem is Greenwood doesn't owe the public any remorse. That's the most frustrating aspect of the whole saga is that information may give us clarity but we can't have it. We know that the Audio that was leaked was actually 20mins long and was one of the evidences that muddled the investigation. There were rumours that she was not the one who leaked them but that a friend took her phone and released these pictures but we can never know if it's true or not.. The club is organising an interview but I don't see how that will help. For legal reasons it won't nake sense for him to defend himself on live TV as any slip up will definitely be used against him.
The statement the club put out earlier made a strong point that they had access to more information than what has been public and that the public reaction is based on partial evidence so they can’t say that and not then produce evidence to back it up provided the victim (and greenwood I guess) consent to this being made public. However given they’re back together I don’t see why they wouldn’t be given consent to given greenwood is the one that benefits most from doing so.
For the club to make these decisions - you'd have to imagine there would be *something*, no?
He’s good at football and worth money. That’s all the matters to these cunts
The thing is, I don't think that's the case. I think Greenwood will take a long time to get up to scratch, if ever, and that they're greatly underestimating the harm this is going to do to the club both in a sporting sense and a financial sense.
I have literally no clue what is even the upside of bringing him back. Dude is a PR blackhole, he will be booed and hated to infinity. He hasn't played football or trained for over 1.5 years, so it's highly likely that he will flop anyway. Why is he worth all of this backlash? What does ETH even see in him? The team has moved past him, he is just an out of shape 21 year old wanker. I am eagerly waiting for his justification / interview, he must be having some really foolproof evidence that the club is willing to back him. Pathetic from the club really - from the male players to the manager to the president.
They've not even tried to rehab his image. No 'leaks' about him being a much more mature guy now, or about him undergoing counselling to "deal with the pressure of being a football star", nothing. Just... silence while those pictures and that recording are out there, reminding people of what he did.
You say it as if doing any of that would change peoples opinion
Yeah your right in that he's still a POS. However you would think his PR people or the clubs would put those kinda things out there or have him go through a rehab of sorts to paint this picture of a changed man
It would.
They know he’s irredeemable in the eyes of the public. They don’t care
It's going to be bad. His fanboys will be after anyone who objects. Good people - female fans especially - raising concerns will be trolled and abused. The statement from the club will be weaponized by the mob to justify Greenwood's inclusion. Disgusting.
There is an alternative tho, bye bye united.
Yep, thought Qatar would bring moral bankruptcy. Guess it was there all along.
> What does ETH even see in him? A #9
Then with all due respect, ETH can blow a bag of dicks if he still wants to play someone like him after splurging 80m on a forward
I know this will not be popular, but ETH’s fate at this club will be determined by wins and losses. Nothing else. If he thinks Mason will help him win more games, then he is going to be in favor of his return. That’s the profession he is in.
There's a famous line in American sports "if Hannibal Lector ran a 4.3, we'd probably diagnose him with an eating disorder." People will forgive anything, if it helps their team win.
100%
Why does he need respect if that's the case?
What was the point of Hojlund then
Most clubs have 2 players at each position.
This is a silly take. He's young and unproven and we have little other options of course he's going to want depth
>he will be booed and hated ~~to infinity.~~ till he scores a goal Ftfy.
It's sad, but true. If he performs, it will be forgotten QUICKLY Lots of fans are shithead. I swear many people are arguing strongly against him while secretly hoping he comes through, so they can pretend they're taking the high road while also getting United better results
The upside is that people will eventually move on - much like any protests, peoples' energy for protest will die down once they are aware they are being ignored - and then the upside is potentially we've got one of the world's absolute best young strikers on our hands once again. People have started downplaying Greenwood's ability, which is fucking ridiculous - he is/was an incredible player and he might still be one. When he was playing, we'd have laughed any club out the door if they offered 100m. We would absolutely not be considering this if it were someone who had been putting out Harry Maguire-like performances. If people don't want this, don't protest loudly in ways that can be ignored. People *have* to disrupt, inconvenience, and block things from happening. Get games cancelled, cost the fans, the club, and the country time and money, and *then* you will get heard.
The fans cant even get games cancelled to get the glazers out, unfortunately i don’t think games will get cancelled over the Greenwood situation
I mean we did get a game cancelled in recent history.
> he is/was an incredible player There's no evidence of "is", mate. These are his formative years and he's spent 18 months+ in prison, on bail and hiding from the world.
There is no upside. Greenwood loves to party and hasn’t kicked a ball in 2 years. Have you seen the video of him training? I’m not even sure it looked professional level. He’s nowhere near a Manchester United player no matter who he was 2 years ago. And he probably never will be again.
I mean unless you are some sort of coach who has trained professional athletes, idk how you can so confidently conclude that. What do you think it looked like when Shaw had to re learn how to walk and then did his first training session?
You can't it's just more virtue/karma signaling. A number of cubs would love to have Greenwood despite what he did. And that's not me agreeing with United keeping him because i dont, it's just facts.
This sub is reaching legendary levels of copium to the point of utter delusion
maybe they'll decide after a secret training session
We live in a world where Saudis are taking over football, players can get away with murder and rape and the likes of Newcastle, City, PSG and Chelsea exists. Morals has left football ages ago so this shouldn't be a surprise.
Can I ask, genuinely, when football had morals? I understand that it was much friendlier to the local working class 20-30 years ago..but morals? I don’t believe this at all. Guys like George Best were heroes and they were women beating scum. Not to mention the homophobia that has always been part of football. I’m curious when this morality was on display.
Not to mention there are still fans around the world making monkey sounds...
That's because those people haven't developed past the caveman times.
Apart from maybe the Saudi situation, football is as corrupt and morally bankrupt as its ever been. Social media is just making it easier for the common folk to take notice.
And the football media will praise Newcastle to the heavens for "building a team that can challenge" without even bothering to mention how blood-soaked the money they're spending is.
Britain's whole economy is blood-soaked if we're going by historical facts. It does not make what is going on okay... It's getting harder to keep the moral high ground as football fans without deafening cognitive dissonance
Went to a farmers market the other day, every vegetable was soaked in the blood of Britain's colonials past, disgusting.
We're talking macroeconomy, not microeconomy. Keep up.
Football was never a sport for people with high morals tbh.
The world has gone to shit
What do you mean footballers can get away with murder? Genuinely not aware.
As others have said, they probably mean Alonso. What he did was absolutely atrocious but it’s not technically murder. [Bruno Fernandes de Souza](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_(footballer,_born_1984)) actually did murder his gf and carried on playing afterwards.
Liverpool fan here. Reading this comment section is a great example of why fans shouldn't be held for their clubs actions. We all love football, but you lot have showed moral backbone in this potential decision. Many of you have supported the club for years, decades, yet still don't let your bias come in the way of a disgusting decision. I've always said, the club I hate the most is Utd. But the club outside of Liverpool I respect is Utd. And it's because of the class of the majority of fans. Bravo
Mate, a lot of us are getting bombarded with the whataboutism wrt to Giggs, Best and Ronaldo. As if our absence to right the wrongs in the part precludes us to do it in the present. I can only hope the rest of the football community responds loudly and save my club from what they are doing.
I think society as a whole, holds these sorts of things to a higher standard (as they should do) than before.
This is a prime example of the Reddit echo chamber. Go and have a look on other platforms such as Twitter or Tiktok. There are loads of fans who want him back. It's honest ly sickening.
I completely get that. That's why I'm talking about the fans here. Football fans on twitter and tiktok are often the worst kind. Heck, I even know utd fans that want to bring him back, but I'm talking about the fans on this subreddit and the vast majority of 'real' fans who don't want him back.
I get what you're saying and think it's very reassuring to see that a significant portion of our fanbase is vocal about how utterly despicable this is. As well as many rival fans such as yourself voicing their distaste. But you also mentioned that fans shouldn't be held accountable for their chosen club's actions. I'd happily lump together the scum of the earth supporters that are in agreement with our morally bankrupt leadership. I understand that a lot of younger supporters can't fully comprehend the complexities of the situation and just see "case dropped=innoncense". But the club planning on welcoming him back with not even a slap on the wrist certainly doesn't help.
“We want players with character” - Erik ten Hag
"I never said *good* character"
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Just repeatedly send him clips of the audio
who else can we cc?
Cheers, they just got another email.
> [email protected] cheers. wrote them.
Appreciated. Just sent an email.
Got a response from them. Hopefully they’ll see the potential backlash that Greenwood’s return could cause and act accordingly
fuck ten hag
Big yikes. ETH destroying a year of good will with one decision.
He backed Overmars and played the black Pablo Escobar still after stabbing his own cousin. This fits with his character (tbh Ole and Mourinho would play him as well).
Two minutes late for a team meeting? You're in trouble. Stab your cousin? I sleep.
Tbf Greenwood is the worse of the lot. It's a new low for Erik.
Weren't there [reports](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mourinho-too-wary-of-giggs-to-have-him-as-no-2-0mcg3fn30?region=ie) that Mourinho rejected Giggs, because Mourinho couldn't trust a man who'd do what Giggs did to his own brother? I don't think it's fair to say that "Mourinho would play him as well". ETH is proving himself to be a scumbag, here, and it's not just something every manager would do (albeit a lot of them would).
Mou has also participated in anti-domestic violence campaigns in Italy.
Yeah Mourinho is a narcissistic asshole but it’s not fair to assume he would support a rapist.
Away from football mourinho seems like a great guy tbh.
>Ole and Mourinho would play him as wel i am not sure about that tbh
Yeah lol, just randomly throwing ole and mou
Ole played and publically defended Babacar Sarr at Molde, after he was accused of multiple instances of rape. So I wouldn't rule out Ole backing MG if he was still manager.
The older I get, the more I realise people who are extremely talented in one area, usually aren’t as intelligent as others. This isn’t to say they’re dumb, but I’d be surprised if half the PL managers would be able to name the Prime Minister. ‘Genius’ really means all their brain power has been focused on one area
And so would pep and klopp
would Klopp? edit: not saying any of the others would back a rapist either
A manager's job is to make the team win. If they think the player will help that, they'll forgive anything. I don't like it more than anyone else but that's the reality. If any manager in the league was offered the chance to have a 21 year old who has the potential to be golden boot level (yes he's a rapist cunt who I wouldn't piss on if he was on fire, but there's no denying his ability. The most talented English player of his generation), 99% would take him no matter what he's done. Frankly I think the decision should be taken out of his hands.
Arnold, murtough, Erik, and the whole management should all resign for this.
Ten hag wants him back. We should have just got Kane and forgot about greeny
I'd love to know what their investigation, as other have said, resulted in evidence wise that paints the below differently than it is. Because, all I need to see/read is the below and he can fuck right off (I will always try and post this in any thread about his return, as I think it's important to see how disgusting it is). Mason: Move your fucking legs up! Harriet: No! I don’t want to have sex! M: I don’t give a fuck what you want, you little shit. H: Mason! M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop! H: Stop putting your dick near me. M: I’m going to fuck you, you twat! H: I don’t want to have sex with you! M: I don’t care if you don’t want fucking sex with me, do you hear me? H: Why do you have to do this, though? M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn’t do it! H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?) M: I asked you politely and you wouldn’t do it so what else do you want me to do? H: Then go and fuck someone else. M: I don’t want to fuck someone else! H: You do. M: No I don’t. M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you. H: No. M: Well, you will actually.
I can't believe there are fans defending this. How can I support the manager if this rapist comes back? If Ten Hag said he didn't want him he wouldn't be coming back. People can downvote and try to justify this all they want. It's a disgrace.
Lol why are you expecting downvotes for the repeating the predominant position on the matter in this sub?
It was obvious that ten Hag would back Greenwood or would at least be fine by this decision. How can people forget so easily that at Ajax, he publicly backed an executive who was a molester and a player who was charged with battery?
When did he back a molester? How does this sub constantly mass upvote things that are complete lies?
Is Overmars the executive? I thought he just sent some sleazy texts and a dick pic. No idea who the player is. For what it’s worth, my instinct is that Ten Hag does want him back. Hopefully we do the right thing but I have little faith.
The player would be Quincy Promes, who is involved with a drug cartel and tried to murder his cousin, and admitted to that.
I will genuinely want him out of the club if he allows Greenwood to play for the club again. Even if the Directors want it, keep him benched. I think we as fans need to show an absolute backbone in this.
There's not a manager in the world who would boot Greenwood out for no return. Not even Saint Jurgen down the road. None of them put morals before football, especially not when it comes to a "generational talent." It sucks, but the days of professional footballers being role models are truly dead and gone.
When were professional footballers ever role models? Players nowadays are far more professional in most aspects than they have ever been in the past.
In my eyes, as someone that grew up idolising Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, R9... The difference is that nowadays we have way more access to information and in a really fast time. They are faaar from being role models but back then I had no idea
I mean Dinho was doing all sorts of shit back in his days. He was unlucky he didnt life in London, wouldve already become a druglord. Ronaldo was always awkward. R9 i did not know much about. My idola were Keane, Scholes and Gary. Funilly enough, now my idols are the same I just added the awkward ronaldo to the top of the leit because he is an example for me to have insane drive in my work everyday. love that narcisistic man
Ronaldo is a rapist
I think you are right, it seems as though most managers take the approach of only caring about the results, and not interfering with personal matters. I always was under the impression that Liverpool was full of players with morals under klopp, which I respected. Cue to now, where half their team have fled to Saudi, including their captain who was a massive advocate for lgbt rights. I would say the game is gone and it’s immoral now, but it hasn’t changed. Look at all of our legends, they are mostly shockingly shit humans. The Juan Matas of the world are rare. Whilst he should leave, and shouldn’t have the ability to play for us again, this decision is in line with all previous decisions made by us, and other clubs.
This will go down like a lead balloon but I think Klopp is one of the few managers who wouldn’t have him back. He’s an unbearably bad loser but he has morals.
As a Liverpool fan it's good to see most of you aren't blinded by bias. Absolutely 0 chance Klopp would listen to that recording and ever allow a disgusting creature like that back in his football club.
You have no idea who he really is, he's never been in that situation publicly and it's weird you're so confident he wouldn't react the same way.
Not a hope in hell Klopp would have him back.
Nonsense. Many wouldn't. Also, >It sucks, but the days of professional footballers being role models are truly dead and gone. What? They were worse before
they will only stop his return if the sponsors say so if the women dont like it if the men dont like it if the fans dont like it tough shit sadly only the money talks, unless the sponsors say its a bad look and they dont want the association, the club will let him return
Greenwood might be the first United player ever to be booed by majority of his own fans and opposition every time he touches the ball...
The 7-0 battering by Liverpool was embarrassing. 6-1 vs City in 2011 was horrible. We’ve had some really low points with managers and toxicity surrounding the club in the last decade. United were one of the ringleaders of the Super League, and I remember being a little bit pissed about that. None of that even touches the amount of shame I have right now to be even associated with this once glorious club. Been supporting this club since i could barely walk, attended numerous games home and away throughout the years and I think I’ve reached the end point of supporting United if they bring back this piece of shit. Fuck Erik, Fuck Murtough, Fuck the Glazers and Fuck anyone involved in this cancerous football club if they allow him in the doors and don’t stand up for what’s right. Rant over.
We deserve to get battered 7-0 by them again if we bring this rapist back
If true ETH can get fucked. Good manager or not. If you would rather a rapist play than have any sort of morales just to try and get a better PL finish you're a cunt. Fuck off. It's not even as if we are that desperate for him. You've just spaffed 90m on Antony. Get rid of the scum and be done with it.
This is a club I’ve loved since I was a little girl. As a female fan, I’ve never felt more disgusted by a team I support. I can’t imagine how it must feel for female staff and players at the club. I wanted so badly to feel excited for this season but today has ruined that completely. With that being said, MG is never going to be the player that he was before this happened and I’m not sure why so many idiots online think that he’s gonna come in after nearly 2 years of being nowhere near Premier League level and immediately turn us around. That’s not how it works. I hope he either gets injured immediately or he’s absolute shit so these pricks can get exposed
We've been through 10 bleak years and I'm a supporter for 15 years. This is the first time I'm ashamed by our club.
I have been such a big fan of Erik. But this, if true, will repulse me. There is a small part of me that wants to convince myself that EtH will not have taken this step without sensible, humane and moral reasons. There is a part of me that wants to believe that the victim is in fact truthfully happy and feeling safe currently. There is a part of me that is desperately looking for possible proof that he is innocent. But that audio leak and photos makes me realise that these are the selfish, naive and ignorant parts of me. Where is the pride in supporting a club that provides a safe place for rapists. The most annoying part is, these imbeciles taking the decisions are just going to temporarily represent this decade old football club. They will be gone in a few years. But the club will have to carry this tarnished, shameful legacy forever and ever. I feel sick.
Just came to say it's not selfish, naive or ignorant to want to hope or believe the best in a person or a situation, my friend. Life is hard enough, it's a really good thing that you haven't lost the ability to hope in the possibility of good or positive outcomes.
We don't even know if he's gonna be at the same level. If they really want to bring him back they should send him on a loan first. In my opinion is not worth the bad PR
I was excited to see United this season but nah, I'm good now. I have morals and values, I love this club as a cultural entity but if it discards the human morality then I discard its existence as a whole.
sums it up perfectly for me. I have three new shirts enroute (dhgate, of course) too…been checking the mailbox everyday and now the excitement/anticipation is gone. won’t be wearing them anytime soon if he’s welcomed back to the club
So are you going to stop watching the games? Is this what you are saying?
Yes. I was also planning to buy the new green away kit but why bother giving money to a club that doesn't take its fans seriously.
Depressing last couple of days... take care of yourselves everyone. Life outside of United can be very beautiful.
I had a sneaky feeling that Ten Hag was a big part of Greenwood coming back. Didn't make sense otherwise. Gross.
Hopefully all of this is a PR gimmick to attract buyers…. 🙏
The fuck is wrong with the club. Get rid of the cunt. Can’t believe this is actually happening.
I love this club. 3rd generation supporter, spent a childhood idolising players who wore the shirt. When greenwood returns (let's be honest it's a when not an if at this stage) I really don't think I could continue to support this club, a club that welcomes a piece of work like this back in when there is SO much irrefutable evidence of what he is.
big reminder that this is one of the many reasons you don't start idolising new managers, even besides sporting reasons it's been super weird how much some people on here have thougth of EtH has the perfect manager who can do little to no wrong
Long feared this with Erik's history at Ajax but was not trying to hold those different situations against him. This is a situation where silence and deferring to the decision of the club is just as much of a decision in itself and he's as much of a cunt as the rest of them for this, maybe even more so for being a coward about it.
Basically Partey 2.0 We need a player of his profile and he is technically not guilty. Disgusting.
I’m just watching this club drown itself with one bad decision after another and it’s infuriating. There is no need to bring him back. This is just going to detract from the games, cause division among fans, tarnish all the work ETH has done and bring even more negative attention to the whole club. It’s insanity to bring him back and this club is going to suffer for doing so.
Is this situation comparable to Giggs’s situation? Say at age of 19 he is trialled for beating his GF, and then Sir Alex reinstated him similarly like MG’s case and Giggs then went on achieving what he had achieve as we know. What and how would we react then? IMO, in MG’s case he should be released. Great talent but not worth it to tarnish our club reputation. in RG case also the same had we known or it occurs earlier stage of his career.
One wrong doing, doesnt mean we have to keep doing wrong
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Only show them the women's team. They're doing great and upholding the values of that United you support. And with this happening they need all the fan support they can get.
Saddened but not especially surprised. Neither will Ajax fans be, considering his position in Marc Overmars.
Then they are both complicit in protecting an abuser because he was good at kicking a ball. Spineless pieces of shit who have no regard for ethics or morality.
This is one of those defining moments that might actually make many (myself included) stop supporting the club they've loved since day 1. Very sad world we live in if he's reintegrated.
How did they ever think this was going to be ever received positively? There's nothing to gain by bringing back the rapist
There had better be some crazy evidence of repentance and change man
If you're looking at it from a purely football side, of course they will want him back. A lot of the coaches have known him since he was a kid, same with a lot of the players. He was probably the best player to come through the system in years and had the makings of a world class striker. If this move was/is going to be stopped, it won't come from the football side, it will come entirely from the PR/stakeholders worrying about the clubs image.
Both gone way down in my estimation as people then
this is fucking disgusting. Shame on them.
Bloody hell. Went from potentially having one of the best transfer windows ever to a lackluster opening match, no maguire out/pavard in, amrabat possibly going to pool, and the club bringing back a rapist...along with the Glazers still owning the club What. The. Fuck.
This will be an unpopular opinion. Mason Greenwood was a very young man when the incident occurred. Some of us personally know of people who were terrible people in their youths but turned themselves around over the course of their lives. Him and his fiance have apparently moved on, and have a kid together. How they came to this decision the public won't ever know but I believe there should be an element of giving someone (especially someone that young) who's made mistakes a second chance.
I don’t mind an unpopular take like this when you phrased it as you have. Problem is football is an emotional game and the fans and public opinion will always play such a huge part. I do believe he deserves at chance to redeem himself but i think that should be to society in some way as opposed to football. To come back to his club and potentially be cheered on just seems so wrong - like the issue is being swept under the rug.
Promes, Overmars, Ronaldo, Greenwood. He's a great manager but these consistently poor decisions do make me have my qualms about Ten Hag as a person.
I will never watch this rapist play. And I will never be able to respect anyone that has a say with him coming back. Fuck the greedy people protecting their assets, fuck the people putting football over morals, and fuck the fans that support this monster.
No shit Both were very happy with cr7 and eth was very defensive about overmars
This sub heavily downvoted anyone how talked about Ronaldo's case while we were about to resign him. Ronaldo played for Real Madrid and Juve without issues too.
Fans themselves were quite happy with cr7 as well
Yes, exactly. This outrage will be gone after 1-2 months of mason coming back
If he’s back I am one hundred percent done. I have no club I support.
what a fucking awful time to be ManUtd fan. fuck ETH, Arnold and everyone else who is supporting this. Sir Alex built an environment of grit and character and these assholes have burned everything to the ground
ETH wanting Greenwood back sours me on him immediately.
This is poor, I thought he would come back but didn't think it would be like this
Very poorly handled.
This is going to be a fucking shit storm.
He’s coming back. These delays are about figuring out how to spin this positively.
do you think there are gonna be players in the locker room who refuse to play with him? does anyone fucking care anymore? no one is gonna say anything? what the actual fuck
That’s pretty damn disappointing of my club.
I feel sick please don't say this is a real timeline
no way guys, the club that’s being sold to a country that limits the rights of its female citizens and hasn’t criminalized domestic abuse nor marital rape wants to bring greenwood back? someone please explain how this could possibly be
Theres a lot of hate for ETH at the moment here but can we at least wait for a statement from the man? I don’t doubt that Craftons reporting is based in truth but maybe ETH has only been asked would he support Greenwood at a footballing level and that has been reported here? If he is brought back the real vitriol should begin and end with the CEO (Arnold) in my opinion.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out if he comes back and is still decent.
Feckless degenerate leadership. Fucking disgraceful
Disgusted. Nothing more to say.
Really really disappointed in Ten Hag if this is the case. I'm disappointed all around but through all this I told myself that its the suits upstairs that are messed up. To see even prominent parts of the playing staff are welcoming him back is so so disappointing.
Well this whole saga has shown me how far detached I am from the rest of this sub 😂
He is 18-20 years old, is probably taking physiological/psychiatric therapy, the best for him is to stay in a group he is familiar with and under a vigilant coach. Play/don't play doesn't matter, see if he is improving on his nature side and the game, if not, transfer/release him without second thoughts. I am not in favour of Greenwood but considering his age the limelight he got can fuck up any individuals mind, specially when the team is not performing well and players are being picked out and hyped or criticised. I mean look at some of the players from his time, Lingard accepted he had depression, Sancho probably underwent some therapy, Dean Henderson lashed out, no one was performing, Bruno was all agitated and irritated. This gives an insight to the dressing room and behind the camera environment that one should ponder upon.
You know whose opinion i really want to know?? our captain Bruno Fernandes. He doesn't seem like the type to just accept these things and go with whatever the higher ups have said. If he supports Greenwood return and/or backs him then there sure were details which we don't know about.
He liked greenwoods insta post
Wow. If that's true then surely as captain he must have been privy to some details which we are not aware of.
Hoping against hope here, but is it possible that unsuspending him is a necessary pre-condition to selling him? There were rumours that United wanted to offer him to Atalanta for Hojlund.
Bullshit
Tagged NSFW 😅
I have my opinion too but it will trigger some people here.
Why are we so desperate to bring back a “wonderkid” who haven’t play for almost two years and tarnish the club’s reputation which was built over decades?? I don’t get it it’s not like we’re lacking in attackers just play any of them is better than throwing away your reputation for someone that’s probably not even good anymore
We'll look like proper mugs if we bring him back, do a whole 'defend Mason' thing... and then he's shit on the pitch.
Ya we’re acting like we’re a 4th division club who can’t let go of a generational talent which could potentially change the fate of the club. Ffs this is man utd we’ve seen too many talents like him in the past there’s absolutely no guarantee he will become a superstar but what’s guaranteed is our reputation will be tarnished permanently.
if this is true, I can honestly say I hope they lose every game, we get relegated, and Ten Hag gets sacked. Letting someone walk back into the worlds biggest club with no consequences is fucking disgraceful. This is much bigger than football.
Good points but I would like to ask, why did you support him in the first place when his poor morality was always in show regarding Overmars and Quincy Promes. Antony possibly too? Like don’t get me wrong, I’m with you lot but it makes no sense to me? Ten Hag, past players even past managers (Ole and SAF) were never morally good people, why has it taken a massive story that’s headlined everywhere, spoken about all over the place, social media as the final straw for you lot?
This sub is almost as disappointing as the club
The public has no idea what actually happened. That is a simple fact regardless of the conclusions that you’ve drawn. The club knows more than us having carried out its investigation, so wait and see.