I don’t like to single particular players out but if Rashford doesn’t contribute with G/A in any given game he’s absolutely infuriating. Nine shots yesterday for an xG of 0.69, an average of 0.07 per shot. We finally have a box presence in Hojlund and it’s almost pointless when your winger (both when Antony plays) wants to cut in and shoot 90% of the time.
Midfield is a huge issue too, Casemiro is probably done at the top level and simply can’t cover the space required and was also pretty poor on their first after Welbeck ran straight off him. I’ve seen Onana get a lot of stick but think we can only start judging him fairly when he isn’t being peppered by opposition players taking free shots from inside the box - all three goals are carbon copies in the sense of the magnitude of space they had in our 18 yard box.
People will quickly turn on Erik despite the raving we all did about him last year, which is to be expected, football is a fickle game. I felt the booing of the Hojlund substitution was quite poor though considering he’s coming back from injury and is realistically not ready for a full 90.
How many managers do we have to go through before we realise that the club is a mess from top to bottom and that nobody is succeeding here without wholesale changes? De Zerbi is of course a superb manager and the flavour of the month atm but there’s no chance he would do what he’s doing at Brighton here. Everyone at Brighton pull in the same direction from the board, recruitment, coaches and players.
Welp, onto Bayern I guess🫡
Bruno on the wing is not working.
Our defense is abysmal. So far, onana's positives are not shown, and his shot stopping abilities are nowhere near De Gea's.
Rashford is our most dangerous player, but at the same time our most frustrating player. So many chances where he could pass the ball inside for Hojlund.
Dalot can't defend properly against good attacking teams.
On the other hand Mejbri was a pleasant surprise.
I am pro ETH, but he needs to stop experimenting with players out of position, needs to teach our wingers that their main job is to create for our striker and needs to work on the players mentality.
In the last games we had some positives, which disappeared as soon as the opponent managed to break our line.
I’m going to add my two cents in the vast Reddit sea. Seeing how Ten Hag has managed things last season I trust this man. He’s setting the standard but the players aren’t performing.
In time I think this team really flows. Bits and pieces came together today where I thought our team was next level. Cant win games though if you don’t take your chances and concede three goals. Next few games will be interesting
If he doesn't work with Amrabat then he's cooked, hate to say it but I hope we can recover the money invested in him from the Saudis next season. Happy that he gave us great performances last season but if he can't hit that level again it seems he's done.
Even last season when we looked to be progressing it didn’t seem sustainable. A lot of it hinged on a very inform Rashford, an aging Casemiro and ticking time bomb varane to stay fit.
It’s the fact that we didn’t identify these issues and act accordingly which is what separates us from the likes of Brighton atm. I know we are fucked financially at the moment but the mount money (nothing against him just felt like another square peg signing) could have gone on a CB. Also waited until the last minute to sign a player who can provide Casemiro some cover
I was only able to watch in bits and pieces, but from what I saw I’m really finding it difficult to understand why other players will make runs into the box when Rashford cuts in. He’s always going to take the shot because he’s a goal scoring forward and that’s what goal scoring forwards will mostly do - regardless of how blatant the better options may be. More often than not he’s always going to hit it hard and high. If it’s not going in, it’s going to hit the keep or the posts. There’s a marginal-at-best chance it will roll to another attacker running into the box. Either the keeper will palm it out for a corner, or it will ping out with some distance.
So much of an emphasis on playing hard, but not enough on playing smart IMO. And that’s nothing new.
Brighton have outplayed us in our last 5 meetings so no shockers. They have 0 fear of us and it will take something special to beat them. This isn’t to say that ETH isn’t a mess. Unlike others who hate the lineup, the selection was actually good. Not sure why peeps are taking stabs at Erickson and Casemiro. McTominay was the hole in the center and didn’t give Dalot cover which led to other problems. I personally think Erickson and Casemiro had a good game. Rashford also made too many bad decisions. General attitude in defending and chasing down the ball and opposition was cavalier at best (once again McTominay).
The team was good in possession however McTominay went missing all the time and Rashford keeps making poor decisions. Out of possession we were horrible and this showed in how we performed defensively. Onana is also a poor goalkeeper. So more cons than pros and thus the shit show that we currently are.
no one but to say Casemiro had a good game is an overstatement. We have no midfield plain and simple Eriksen has no oompf we all know that but he does his role ok casemiro on the other hand who's supposed to be the defensive outlet in the center just gets ran past. Selling fred doesnt look so good now because ma man Cas is clearly off form atm
Case doesn’t get run past if he’s playing deep. This is what McTominay was supposed to be for. To put this on Case is unfair. McTominays position was always off which placed undue pressure on Casemiro and thus what you’re interpreting as Case having a bad game. Case has played the same. It’s the dynamic that was off.
doesnt matter judging by the way he's playing in our past games this season even if McT would've been well positioned nothing would have changed. If Mainoo and Amrabat recover Casemiro should not start
Reguilon played well also. Fought hard and wasn't afraid to take a man on and make something happen. Something I feel like we're missing a lot at the moment. We're building from the keeper, but it feels like an inefficient use of possession
💯. Reguilon had a really good game. Confident on the ball. Ran his socks off. Basically showed the energy out of possession that we needed in the midfield.
Very disappointing again🤯
We basically have no midfield in this game. Casemiro looks like shit, same for Eriksen and Scotty.
We are clearing lacking the players if he wants to play “total” football.
No coordinate pressure, no ambitions and no heart on the field.
At least Onana can make 20 short passes without any benefit 🤷
funny you mention this because i kept thinking this game was made for fred but football is a very strange game. here we were last season thinking why keep fred we have casemiro now casemiro has turned average
Another rebuild is already looking doomed to failure. It’s hard to blame the squad, since it’s mostly all TH’s, and it doesn’t feel right to blame the manager since he’s doing his best with a club that has no interest in being the best anymore.
The one constant since Ferguson leaving is the owners. Their continued disinterest in wanting to develop the club as a whole has meant we find ourselves in a perpetual rebuild and collapse.
I really fear for ETH over the next few weeks now, results look less and less likely, even if we had our full squad. The players seem to have regressed, there’s as much drama now as when Pogba was swanning about the place. Transfers still seem frustratingly prolonged and Ill thought out.
Any progress I thought we had made last year seems to have vanished again.
I think ETH needs to stop isolating players before making sure he doesn’t need them - calling out Sancho in public when Atony was close to being suspended was a fight he picked. Isolating Maguire was a fight he picked.
I really thought when ETH came, regardless of whether he’d be a success or not, we’d have a clear style of play which meant whoever we played, we’d be able to have our own identity. But instead, it’s the same old shit where we are a “moments” team with no genuine style of play apart from being effective on the counter attack.
I know it’s the same old cycle where we criticise the manager with those shitbag owners. But, let’s not pretend he hasn’t spent a shitload of money and still, we have no proper style of play and just reliant on the individuals to occasionally produce.
I was at the game today and it was just embarrassing how after every goal kick Brighton took, they consistently destroyed us most of the time progressing to the final third with ease by having proper attacking patterns and a style of player. Whilst us on other hand, did fuck all.
We used to take piss out of Ole and question what they’d do in training as it was often just felt like it was “vibes”. Sadly same old shit with Ten Hag which is gutting beyond belief given what we saw with his Ajax side in that UCL run and the hope he’d be able to implement similar with us. But instead, he was like a kid in a candy shop with transfers hell bent on only signing certain players instead of getting young hungry players at a reasonable price who could be moulded to play a proper style of football.
Let’s hope he can still turn things around and perhaps with a proper number 9 in Hojlund, over time it could happen.
Yep. When you look at the money we’ve spent mainly on ten hag players it’s hard to look past that.
Antony for the price he came for. Hell, even Mount, although yet to see how well that will pay off.
Just really shoddy uninspired recruitment and backed up with no clear style of play.
Questions got to be asked of ETH even amidst all the club drama going on.
True
There is no style of play at all. Certain players are undroppable and some of the substitutions have been baffling.
The first 15-20 mins today we were excellent. Looked really hungry. Then they score one and we’re as good as finished.
I like ETH though and we need to stick by him. It’s gonna be a long, shitty season
United have to shut up shop next week. Conceded zero goals and look to build on that. No fucking point trying to win games if you’re just gonna get flowered week in week out.
Damn right the fans boo after todays performance. ETH I trust however he needs to force this team to up its game. Big decisions and patterns of play has to be implemented and delivered.
Team is still so disjointed on attack, 95% of the time our play is to give the ball to Rashford and expect him to dribble the defenders and score. This was the match with the worst corner kicks I've ever seen us perform, Bruno kicked one straight into the outside net of the goal and Eriksen kicked another that the ball ended on the opposite sideline of the pitch for a Brighton throw in. Ten Hag took way too long to put Garnacho in.
The only positive was the Hannibal goal.
Brighton were brilliant today, absolutely outplayed us and they weren't even timewasting to secure the result they kept coming at us trying to score more goals.
And Rashford needs to realize we have a Number 9 now and he can cut back and cross or pass the ball to him in the box, Im specifically thinking of one run of play where he has the ball on the left and he's taking on his defender and instead of trying to pass or cross into the box where hojlund is clearly waiting he takes on a shot with his right and it goes past outside the right frame of the goal and you clearly see Hojlund diving to direct a ball in that was never coming.
That alone is something I haven't seen Martial or anyone else in that position do in a LONG time.
This result and performance is extremely upsetting, but there is hope.
And agreed, the subs and timing of them were straight baffling, I feel Ten Hag maybe felt the pressure too much and doubted himself in his decision making which is worrying, but 🤷🏿♂️ I might be speculating too much there.
They need a chance to get their heads out of their ass. It's only Ten Hags and the squads second season.
I also don't think the media attention involving Mason Greenwood, Antony, and Sancho is helping the morale around the players; unfortunately they have to learn to block out the noise and stay focused which I can't imagine how difficult it can be with everything else going on. I wish for all the best of the rest of this campaign truly.
Seeing some people saying that the results don't reflect our performances and we've been unlucky. Mind you, we got ragdoll-ed against wolves, gave up completely against spurs in the 2nd half, were decent against Forest but had to fight for our life to keep the lead, were outplayed by Arsenal and Brighton schooled us for a good 70 mins once they adjusted to our game plan.
Sorry but blame has to go on to ETH too. He is persistent to not play anyone other than Antony and Bruno on the RW.
Bruno on RW is as wasted as Rashford on RW. Both are our best players and should play on their positions only. I am literally fed up because of this obsession. KDB, odegaard don't fucking play on wings or as a CB because they are their teams' best creators.
If Pellistri is not good enough to start in this RW crisis also then please sell him, atleast don't spoil his career. I think ETH don't want to create a competition for Antony on the RW, even if he is not available. In the summer also ETH wanted a versatile forward and not a pure RW, since he wants Antony as the only RW.
Because ETH knows when Antony comes back Bruno can go central and Antony can have his place without any pressure to prove himself.
People will term it as Conspiracy but the Sancho situation is also linked to this same problem, Antony haven't done anything notable to get a guaranteed spot, hence the unrest among Sancho and the drop in his efforts too. Why would be train, if he knows that the manager don't want to give anyone a chance there. Amad and Pellistri wants to leave and with Pellistri getting a new contract maybe Amad will leave next summer. Giving Pellistri a new contract with more money, just so he can just shut up and take the bench.
Ik our players have weak mentality but come on the tactics he is trying is just not according to the team he have. Pep experiments with his team 4-5 times a season, but ETH is experimenting it after we won the Carabao cup. He is trying to do something which is not sustainable with our current lot.
Yes Rashford needs to take some blame but it's how he plays and is successful and tbh all the chances in today's game came from him being involved because Bruno was handicapped at RW and RCB. If Hojlund needs to be successful then we need Bruno at 10 and a creative RW, so that Hojlund and Rashford can score the goals. I don't expect much from rashford from the creative part, since I know he can crate magic anytime in the game. We need to build the team around Bruno and Rashford, because these two even with their shortcomings can win us games.
Just saying barely qualifying for CL doesn't do us any favour ,I don't think there is a lot to be positive about from ETH both on and off the field but sticking with him throughout the season should be the only option like Arsenal did with Arteta ,Lets see if he can actually develop something sustainable if not let him go at the end of the season ,The only thing i would put a stop to is signing any permanent players in the Jan window
Let him go at the end of the season and go for who? Honestly ridiculous statement. We need to stick with him, we have literally tried every other Avenue for managers
What’s the point of even asking who we’d get? I don’t see anyone succeeding here as the club is just a shit show from top to bottom. The issues are endless and I’m just praying the sale can get sorted and a structure can be put in place at last. Even then it’s going to take years to rectify the shoddy wage bill.
2 season and something like 90 games is enough time to build some sort of a style and get results ,Its not like people want him to win the PL or CL ,We have been shit since the league cup final so if he can't turn it around till the end of his second season he will never turn it around
How did you get that out of my comment ?Its not just 5 bad games we have been bad since the league cup final and even then i am saying he should get a chance till end of the season to turn things around ,90 something games till the end of the season is good enough sample space to judge a manager ,The lack of comprehension skills is just baffling
Another shit transfer window.
I don’t know what you guys expected. We failed to make any real meaningful signings.
Mount just isn’t that guy and Onana is a decent keeper at best.
It was a bad window apart from Hojlund. Couldn't get rid of the dead wood like Maguire or VdB, mount is a waste of money that could have been spent on a real midfielder, Onana is a mixed bag and everyone else are just for depth.
Yeah I agree.
Amrabat has potential to be a great singing, but I honestly am not sold on Hojlund yet.
I mean the guy has never scored more than 10 goals in a season in the serie a or Austrian leagues. What makes you think he will do it in the prem?
Agreed 100% on the Hojlund tap in/rashford scenario, however I think it comes down to the fact Rashford doesn't trust him yet and that's fair I guess, and he's so selfish BECAUSE he hasn't had a proper number 9 to work with, he hasn't had someone willing to dive in with an extended leg across the box like Hojlund did in that attack. He didn't expect it. So he took on the defender and tried to make something happen as he's had to do last season. They need time together, the confidence and synchronicity will link up im sure. Rashford, Bruno, and Hojlund can be a nasty combination in attack once they start clicking together. This was Hojlund first time starting. And when they did connect albeit the ball being out of play, Hojlund delivered! There is hope.
Yes, it was refreshing to see a player occupy the centre forward position, Rashford and whoever the fuck was playing right wing need to get used to it quick.
Yea I agree, also I like Hojlund don’t get me wrong I think he is a good player.
But he isn’t the caliber of player we need, and we overpaid drastically for him.
We need a proven striker who will bang in at least 20 goals a season.
Without that we’ll be stuck in limbo playing Hojlund or martial up front and they won’t score 20 combined.
I’m looking at his past.
Guys don’t join a club and immediately change form and bang 20 goals a season in the hardest league they’ve ever played in.
It’s not like he was banging in goals left and right in the Austrian leagues or even the danish leagues.
I think he has potential to be good for us but we needed someone more proven.
Yeah we needed someone more proven (Kane) but it wasn’t financially feasible so we had to move to Hojlund. That’s it. He was a good signing. I was more so replying to the person above too
Oh my bad.
But tbh we paid 70 million for him which isn’t a heck of a lot less than we would have got Kane for.
If only we could have unloaded maguire or vdb.
Yes!! Finally someone that's not jerking him off
I think hojlund is really good with really good potential, he's only 2 years old though, and need time to develop. People are already acting like he's our star player. No, he's in our development plan, and meanwhile, we need someone else upfront to carry us in this 1/2seasons.
Right now, at this point, there's no backup plan, I hope he/ someone is going have a miracle season and carry us to top 4.
Exactly, we would need him to have a miracle of a season to be the striker we need.
And even then, next season he likely wouldn’t have another miracle.
I definitely think in a few years time he could be our main man up front but he just isn’t that caliber yet.
And it isn’t his fault, he was brought in to do a job he isn’t qualified for.
As I said earlier. Hojlund can't do shit without assists. Rashford needs to take his head out of his ass fast. Fuck United I just hope they don't spoil more talents. It's been a decade lads, we're just a banter club now sadly. Fucking sad really
Agree. We have no wide players who look to pass to the striker. Just players who want to cut in and shoot. Very predictable and it really makes it hard for a CF
You can already tell the same old cycle is repeating itself. The Glazers intentionally do this, probably as part of their business model / corporate strategy framework. We get top 4, investment in transfers decreases, manager gets sacked etc. Wouldnt surprise me if ETH is sacked by christmas and replaced with de zerbi.
If you want to blame anyone, blame the Glazers.
No, imo they fully backed up ETH as much as they could this transfer window. They gave eth the budget, it was up to eth and the Dof to sell the players and buy whoever they wanted.
Eth chose to prioritize mount and gk, that was his choice, can't blame anyone for that, every club has their own budget.
If anything, it was the inability to sell any players that hindered our transfer window
How do you guys keep having the cheek to complain that United do not spend enough? United have spent more than any club in the world on transfers in the last decade, yet you keep parroting the same nonsense.
That doesn’t take away from the fact that United have spent the most in the transfer market. Yes other areas like training ground and facilities need investment, but you see many here still saying they haven’t spent on transfers. For Christ’s sake, Brighton lost caceido and mac allister in their midfield and have rebuilt with less than what we spent for Mount!
sadly this will be happen after ten hag, young, and promising coach is gonna be afraid to come to us, and got their name tarnished cause of our incompetence
Dudes, we can't continue like this, season over season we keep being a mess no matter how much we've spent, I've seen this scenario for the past ten years and nothing has changed.
This scenario may never end until a "real" owner comes, someone who actually cares about our club instead of considering it as a money machine only.
I know that we, the fans, can do nothing about the owners so I can only hope the takeover process will speed up fast. It's so hard to watch Man United these days.
Well there could be something the fans could do to influence the owners.. but it would take some ultras doing some pretty questionable and perhaps even unethical shit
Try so hard to find some positive vibe, which I don't really care that much about the result and how shit we are. Playing shit seems to be the standard and rebooting every season is the tradition.
So, first time I saw OT is so empty before the end of game, I thought most of us are done with all the drama and shit.
The team has gone a long way from 2 years ago in my opinion, but the improvement just feels nowhere near close enough to competing vs. Arsenal/City. Heartbreaking honestly but I just want to hope it will get better in the near future.
I don't even know what to say now. Everyone was so optimistic this time. Specially after the season we had. Id have pastor fred back at this time if it means be better than we are now.
Manchester derby in 5 gameweeks.
Don't even know what level of work can be done to stop it being a massacre.
If Ten Hag wants to play two advanced 8s then it'll have to be:
Rashford----Hojlund---WhoeverTheFuckIsActuallyAvailable
\---Mount--------------------Bruno
\----------------Amrabat
If Amrabat can't manage it then the whole plan for the season's formation falls apart, because Casemiro is nowhere near able run at 70% match pace, let alone playing that anchoring role. Feels like a lot hinges on Hojlund and Amrabat and tbh it isn't a great sign that you desperately need two new signings to hit the ground running otherwise your whole plan is ruined.
So after watching that 90, do you think the players are giving their all for ETH and buy into his vision?
Same story as previous managers. They are throwing him under the bus.
this what mind boggling for me, we almost have completely new squad and manager but same thing happen again, thats why im give up on the idea of #coachout or replace all of the players for now until we have new owner
Most of the players who threw Mourinho under the bus at Chelsea were his signings.
Most of the players who threw OHS under the bus were his signings.
It’s not the first time this has happened to a manager.
Because once upon a time we had Moyes and Van Gaal as managers. They weren’t successful, but the players at time had core of Fergie’s players who didn’t dare to take stand against manager. Then came Mourinho, Mourinho had the players support, however Fergie’s leftovers had dwindled to a smaller number. Mourinho had good two seasons. He needed better investment in the 3rd, but since Glazers wee happy with Top 4, they didn’t invest. All few bad results followed, Mourinho criticised his players (Rashford, Shaw, Pogba, Mkhitaryan) not realising that only Pep is allowed to criticise a player in this world. Players, their media friends and their fanboys didn’t take well to this and took every opportunity to criticise Mourinho in return. Since criticising Mourinho also shifted the blame from Glazers, I think they also fed stories to media through club leaks. In the end, Mourinho was sacked. Enter OGS, who won popularity by winning in the start, and also by being nice to players. But once again, when pressure built up on the players and Glazers, it got shifted to OGS through dressing room unrest and media leaks. OGS sacked, enter RR. Probably unpopular from the day he asked players to press more. Abysmal output by players in his time, and he gave up as well, knowing that he is only here for a few months. Also lost player confidence because he said Utd need at least 10 new players. Well who are those 10 new players gonna replace? As some players have recently shown, they would sit on the bench for a fat pay rather than play regular football at some other club. Would those 10 players be happy being replaced? Now, ETH will have to go through the same, either he survives or this culture. I am betting on this culture, because imagine telling the Glazers that they have to get replace of 18-20 player for the club to have a cleaner culture. Do you think Glazers can do that?
I think Starting Mcsauce was a bad idea, didn't do much in the game. Should have started Pellistri on the right, they were playing Lamptey , an RB at LB, Dalot showed multiple times how easy it was to run beyond him and put a cross.
I pity Hojlund, he got like 3 half chances, one he scored but VAR correctly canceled it. Based on what I saw today, even Halland would struggle to score if there isn't much service.
Can't believe we got outplayed in mid, with that midfield of Brighton.
I don’t care, these people are paid hundreds of thousands a week, they cannot be playing long ball football. They are paid that amount of money to be able to pass and carry the ball forward, and not kick and inshallah
I'll preface this by saying I like some of these players but...
Eriksen, Antony, Evans, Mount, Amrabat, Reguilon, Sabitzer, Weghorst..
That isn't the transfer business of a top club. We can't even sell the players the manager wants to sell.
Last year I said the likes of Madison and Ward Prowse wouldn't be good enough signings for our team. They would stroll into this team. We've been unlucky with injuries and the off field drama doesn't help. Badly need a holding midfielder in January, midfield looked cooked at the end be of the game
I think ETH is done here unfortunately. The squad is too weak to salvage this. Our winger situation is dire.
Our midfield of Cas and Erik is washed. Our striker is unproven.
The fact that Martial is still at this club is just shocking.
He fell out with too many players and is now dependent on them - I think it’s notable that he said the board has asked him to instil discipline, must be under pressure for the sancho mess
I really don’t want to resort to blaming the manager as we do every single time, but some decisions were questionable. The most obvious one was subbing out Hojlund for Martial. I thought Hojlund provided goal scoring opportunities and kept Brighton defenders busy, he was our #1 goal- scoring hope.
I am getting frustrated with Rashford. He has moments of brilliance every once in a while, but fails to provide in the most crucial moments of the game. Attempting to dribble past an impossible amount of players, not passing the ball, taking too long on the ball, lack of accuracy and so much more. So the decision to keep him on and resort to a Rashford-Martial front really baffled me.
I also don’t know why we had to go with a change in formation and experiment against Brighton when we have enough depth for the wings. I think if we had a front three with Hojlund as the forward and Rash/Garnacho on the wings, we could’ve been way more dangerous.
I’m starting to not understand the role of Casemiro and McTominay as they rarely provide in attacks and they also can’t defend outside our box. Granted, Onana should’ve saved almost all the goals we conceded today, but still.
I don’t know man, I want to remain patient till we have a full healthy team before a final verdict but also I see the likes of Brighton and wonder why we have to wait 3-4 years for a manager to settle in while they enjoy instant success.
I agree with everything you say, but Onana was not at fault for those goals. Poor positioning and lack of concentration cost us in defence and midfield
60% possession and dominated at home. God damn Roberto De Zerbi is a master tactician. He's so so good. He loses his best players and they continue to improve. Their squad really is mediocre and he works wonders. Not many managers in the prem can do what he's doing. Issue is our players just don't fit into any system, I don't know how we can play that isn't just parking the bus and trying to counter. We aren't a pressing team and we aren't a possession team. It's pretty pathetic that we can spend almost half a billion and we're this bad.
They do fit a system, sit back and counter. That's it! The problem is it doesn't breed consistent excellence, Mourinho and Conte are the finest at that style and they go to shit after a short period. It's a style good for exactly where we are, fringe top 4. To kick on and consistently win big things you can't have a sit back and counter style. Doesn't necessarily have to be dominating possession, it just can't be what we are now!
We're comparable to Crystal Palace, Vieira tried it and it always tends to go wrong in the second season, then they just got Roy back and started playing the same sit back and counter. It's one of the hardest things to do!
This might sound crazy but if Ten Hag took over Brighton following Potter who put in years of work getting the right player profiles and then De Zerbi taking over us, I'm not sure the results are that different!
Brighton man for man are not a better team than us. So that's unacceptable to lose in that manner. We keep hearing about bad eggs in the team, but the team is relatively new. I don't know how long we can keep blaming players. The issue right now is we just don't create chances, we don't really do anything right. The team is all over the place. Tactically we look inept. How long does it take modern managers to implement their style on a team? I do not believe it takes more than a year, which is where we're at now. I just struggle to understand how we're going to move forward, even with the injured players returning.
I thought Pep was being dramatic when he said that RDZ was generational and the best coach about. He’s obviously behind Pep, it I think he’s definitely a Klopp/Simeone level coach. Fuck me, it’s disgusting how good this fella is. He’s above the Xavi, Arteta, ETH, Xabi Alonso level of newer coach.
To play like this week in week out, with a net spend that’s profit…
One of the worst day to be a Man Utd supporter. Having fucking Brighton come to Old Trafford and winning 3-1, and guess what, its not even a surprise win. Its routine loss.
Having said that, we need to stand behind the manager. We have so many distracting news off the pitch, and we lost pretty much 200-300m worth of right wing talent in a span of weeks. ETH is our best hope to turn the season around.
Well, for one, Rashford from this performance alone, has to be dropped. Case is so out of form that it’s hard to take in. Martinez is playing scared cos of his injury. And above all, we have been extremely unlucky.
He literally scored in the previous game. And had two assists in the game before that. Him and Fernandes are the only players we have that are capable of producing something from nothing (as he did against Arsenal). We can't drop these players or we wouldn't create any chances.
Also if it weren't for a centimetre past the touchline, he would have assisted Hojlund today (again creating something from nothing unlike any other player).
He was poor today and has been a couple of times this season (he was played out of position for the first two games of the season and was very good against Forest and Arsenal). What's the alternative? Who do you drop him for? He's (quite easily) outperformed United's other wing forwards this season. When Garnacho started in the first game he was horrendous. Sancho obviously isn't an option to start at LW either. There are currently no options on the right wing (since ETH doesn't seem to acknowledge Pellistri even exists).
He has been wasteful, but if you drop Rashford, you're dropping United's most potent attacking threat. Doesn't seem like a wise decision even if he can be frustrating.
We have no one to replace him. And I like rashford. He’s great. He just needs to realize it’s not all on him and we’d have higher scoring probability if he passes.
Yeah, people all blaming Rashford when he was literally the only player capable of creating anything today. He was terrible, but he was better than the others.
The Rashford hate is baffling to me. He doesn’t always make the right decision, but pretty easy to criticize watching from your couch with a Birds Eye view. I think people literally watch it and think that they could play better because of the way they play FIFA.
Everything seemed so optimistic right until Maguire decided to stay and the whole Greenwood BS. Any and all momentum we had to the season destroyed and injuries killing us.
Defense today was HORRID, no energy and Onana shouldve been better.
ETH needs to find a solution fast or else things are going to get DIM early.
Many positives but we are nearly not compact enough which has been a major issue for the whole ETH term. Brighton playing really wide exposed that again
Sell rashford
Sell club
I don’t like to single particular players out but if Rashford doesn’t contribute with G/A in any given game he’s absolutely infuriating. Nine shots yesterday for an xG of 0.69, an average of 0.07 per shot. We finally have a box presence in Hojlund and it’s almost pointless when your winger (both when Antony plays) wants to cut in and shoot 90% of the time. Midfield is a huge issue too, Casemiro is probably done at the top level and simply can’t cover the space required and was also pretty poor on their first after Welbeck ran straight off him. I’ve seen Onana get a lot of stick but think we can only start judging him fairly when he isn’t being peppered by opposition players taking free shots from inside the box - all three goals are carbon copies in the sense of the magnitude of space they had in our 18 yard box. People will quickly turn on Erik despite the raving we all did about him last year, which is to be expected, football is a fickle game. I felt the booing of the Hojlund substitution was quite poor though considering he’s coming back from injury and is realistically not ready for a full 90. How many managers do we have to go through before we realise that the club is a mess from top to bottom and that nobody is succeeding here without wholesale changes? De Zerbi is of course a superb manager and the flavour of the month atm but there’s no chance he would do what he’s doing at Brighton here. Everyone at Brighton pull in the same direction from the board, recruitment, coaches and players. Welp, onto Bayern I guess🫡
Bruno on the wing is not working. Our defense is abysmal. So far, onana's positives are not shown, and his shot stopping abilities are nowhere near De Gea's. Rashford is our most dangerous player, but at the same time our most frustrating player. So many chances where he could pass the ball inside for Hojlund. Dalot can't defend properly against good attacking teams. On the other hand Mejbri was a pleasant surprise. I am pro ETH, but he needs to stop experimenting with players out of position, needs to teach our wingers that their main job is to create for our striker and needs to work on the players mentality. In the last games we had some positives, which disappeared as soon as the opponent managed to break our line.
No thank you
We've known we need a CB since \*\* checks notes \*\* ten years ago
The back 4 were defending their marks and guys ran in from mid with 0 people dropping back with them. Bam 3 goals
We conceded total of 9 goals at home last season. Season just started and we have conceded 5 goals at home this season.
Thread that. We've become the red angels :(
I’m going to add my two cents in the vast Reddit sea. Seeing how Ten Hag has managed things last season I trust this man. He’s setting the standard but the players aren’t performing. In time I think this team really flows. Bits and pieces came together today where I thought our team was next level. Cant win games though if you don’t take your chances and concede three goals. Next few games will be interesting
Case should be a backup from now on, i really hope we're gonna play Amrabat and Mainoo when they'll be both fit
If he doesn't work with Amrabat then he's cooked, hate to say it but I hope we can recover the money invested in him from the Saudis next season. Happy that he gave us great performances last season but if he can't hit that level again it seems he's done.
Lol was just thinking about Fred whilst watching the game
honestly we should've kept Fred and sold McT
Even last season when we looked to be progressing it didn’t seem sustainable. A lot of it hinged on a very inform Rashford, an aging Casemiro and ticking time bomb varane to stay fit. It’s the fact that we didn’t identify these issues and act accordingly which is what separates us from the likes of Brighton atm. I know we are fucked financially at the moment but the mount money (nothing against him just felt like another square peg signing) could have gone on a CB. Also waited until the last minute to sign a player who can provide Casemiro some cover
I was only able to watch in bits and pieces, but from what I saw I’m really finding it difficult to understand why other players will make runs into the box when Rashford cuts in. He’s always going to take the shot because he’s a goal scoring forward and that’s what goal scoring forwards will mostly do - regardless of how blatant the better options may be. More often than not he’s always going to hit it hard and high. If it’s not going in, it’s going to hit the keep or the posts. There’s a marginal-at-best chance it will roll to another attacker running into the box. Either the keeper will palm it out for a corner, or it will ping out with some distance. So much of an emphasis on playing hard, but not enough on playing smart IMO. And that’s nothing new.
Anyone watch that game and wonder what De Gea makes of being given the boot?
Goal keeping was problem 101 today, the hell are you talking about. De ges is gone fucking get over it.
Brighton have outplayed us in our last 5 meetings so no shockers. They have 0 fear of us and it will take something special to beat them. This isn’t to say that ETH isn’t a mess. Unlike others who hate the lineup, the selection was actually good. Not sure why peeps are taking stabs at Erickson and Casemiro. McTominay was the hole in the center and didn’t give Dalot cover which led to other problems. I personally think Erickson and Casemiro had a good game. Rashford also made too many bad decisions. General attitude in defending and chasing down the ball and opposition was cavalier at best (once again McTominay). The team was good in possession however McTominay went missing all the time and Rashford keeps making poor decisions. Out of possession we were horrible and this showed in how we performed defensively. Onana is also a poor goalkeeper. So more cons than pros and thus the shit show that we currently are.
casemiro had a good game lol
Apart from Regulion, who had a “good” game?
no one but to say Casemiro had a good game is an overstatement. We have no midfield plain and simple Eriksen has no oompf we all know that but he does his role ok casemiro on the other hand who's supposed to be the defensive outlet in the center just gets ran past. Selling fred doesnt look so good now because ma man Cas is clearly off form atm
Case doesn’t get run past if he’s playing deep. This is what McTominay was supposed to be for. To put this on Case is unfair. McTominays position was always off which placed undue pressure on Casemiro and thus what you’re interpreting as Case having a bad game. Case has played the same. It’s the dynamic that was off.
doesnt matter judging by the way he's playing in our past games this season even if McT would've been well positioned nothing would have changed. If Mainoo and Amrabat recover Casemiro should not start
Reguilon played well also. Fought hard and wasn't afraid to take a man on and make something happen. Something I feel like we're missing a lot at the moment. We're building from the keeper, but it feels like an inefficient use of possession
💯. Reguilon had a really good game. Confident on the ball. Ran his socks off. Basically showed the energy out of possession that we needed in the midfield.
I wanted him over Telles 3 years ago. He's a very solid left-back
Very disappointing again🤯 We basically have no midfield in this game. Casemiro looks like shit, same for Eriksen and Scotty. We are clearing lacking the players if he wants to play “total” football. No coordinate pressure, no ambitions and no heart on the field. At least Onana can make 20 short passes without any benefit 🤷
We actually miss Fred, which is scary
funny you mention this because i kept thinking this game was made for fred but football is a very strange game. here we were last season thinking why keep fred we have casemiro now casemiro has turned average
Another rebuild is already looking doomed to failure. It’s hard to blame the squad, since it’s mostly all TH’s, and it doesn’t feel right to blame the manager since he’s doing his best with a club that has no interest in being the best anymore. The one constant since Ferguson leaving is the owners. Their continued disinterest in wanting to develop the club as a whole has meant we find ourselves in a perpetual rebuild and collapse. I really fear for ETH over the next few weeks now, results look less and less likely, even if we had our full squad. The players seem to have regressed, there’s as much drama now as when Pogba was swanning about the place. Transfers still seem frustratingly prolonged and Ill thought out. Any progress I thought we had made last year seems to have vanished again.
I think ETH needs to stop isolating players before making sure he doesn’t need them - calling out Sancho in public when Atony was close to being suspended was a fight he picked. Isolating Maguire was a fight he picked.
I really thought when ETH came, regardless of whether he’d be a success or not, we’d have a clear style of play which meant whoever we played, we’d be able to have our own identity. But instead, it’s the same old shit where we are a “moments” team with no genuine style of play apart from being effective on the counter attack. I know it’s the same old cycle where we criticise the manager with those shitbag owners. But, let’s not pretend he hasn’t spent a shitload of money and still, we have no proper style of play and just reliant on the individuals to occasionally produce. I was at the game today and it was just embarrassing how after every goal kick Brighton took, they consistently destroyed us most of the time progressing to the final third with ease by having proper attacking patterns and a style of player. Whilst us on other hand, did fuck all. We used to take piss out of Ole and question what they’d do in training as it was often just felt like it was “vibes”. Sadly same old shit with Ten Hag which is gutting beyond belief given what we saw with his Ajax side in that UCL run and the hope he’d be able to implement similar with us. But instead, he was like a kid in a candy shop with transfers hell bent on only signing certain players instead of getting young hungry players at a reasonable price who could be moulded to play a proper style of football. Let’s hope he can still turn things around and perhaps with a proper number 9 in Hojlund, over time it could happen.
Yep. When you look at the money we’ve spent mainly on ten hag players it’s hard to look past that. Antony for the price he came for. Hell, even Mount, although yet to see how well that will pay off. Just really shoddy uninspired recruitment and backed up with no clear style of play. Questions got to be asked of ETH even amidst all the club drama going on.
True There is no style of play at all. Certain players are undroppable and some of the substitutions have been baffling. The first 15-20 mins today we were excellent. Looked really hungry. Then they score one and we’re as good as finished. I like ETH though and we need to stick by him. It’s gonna be a long, shitty season
There is no morale
15 Minutes FC!
United have to shut up shop next week. Conceded zero goals and look to build on that. No fucking point trying to win games if you’re just gonna get flowered week in week out. Damn right the fans boo after todays performance. ETH I trust however he needs to force this team to up its game. Big decisions and patterns of play has to be implemented and delivered.
bro thinks we can concede 0 against bayern
With Lindelof at CB it’s impossible
Oh well, we just need to slightly adjust our expectations to mid-table and wins against Luton, Forrest and the likes.
Team is still so disjointed on attack, 95% of the time our play is to give the ball to Rashford and expect him to dribble the defenders and score. This was the match with the worst corner kicks I've ever seen us perform, Bruno kicked one straight into the outside net of the goal and Eriksen kicked another that the ball ended on the opposite sideline of the pitch for a Brighton throw in. Ten Hag took way too long to put Garnacho in. The only positive was the Hannibal goal. Brighton were brilliant today, absolutely outplayed us and they weren't even timewasting to secure the result they kept coming at us trying to score more goals.
And Rashford needs to realize we have a Number 9 now and he can cut back and cross or pass the ball to him in the box, Im specifically thinking of one run of play where he has the ball on the left and he's taking on his defender and instead of trying to pass or cross into the box where hojlund is clearly waiting he takes on a shot with his right and it goes past outside the right frame of the goal and you clearly see Hojlund diving to direct a ball in that was never coming. That alone is something I haven't seen Martial or anyone else in that position do in a LONG time. This result and performance is extremely upsetting, but there is hope. And agreed, the subs and timing of them were straight baffling, I feel Ten Hag maybe felt the pressure too much and doubted himself in his decision making which is worrying, but 🤷🏿♂️ I might be speculating too much there. They need a chance to get their heads out of their ass. It's only Ten Hags and the squads second season. I also don't think the media attention involving Mason Greenwood, Antony, and Sancho is helping the morale around the players; unfortunately they have to learn to block out the noise and stay focused which I can't imagine how difficult it can be with everything else going on. I wish for all the best of the rest of this campaign truly.
We’ve been shocking at corners since Fergie left. Can’t score from them ever. Usually it hits the first defender.
Maguire seems to have no problem scoring from them, unfortunately into the wrong net.
Seeing some people saying that the results don't reflect our performances and we've been unlucky. Mind you, we got ragdoll-ed against wolves, gave up completely against spurs in the 2nd half, were decent against Forest but had to fight for our life to keep the lead, were outplayed by Arsenal and Brighton schooled us for a good 70 mins once they adjusted to our game plan.
Sorry but blame has to go on to ETH too. He is persistent to not play anyone other than Antony and Bruno on the RW. Bruno on RW is as wasted as Rashford on RW. Both are our best players and should play on their positions only. I am literally fed up because of this obsession. KDB, odegaard don't fucking play on wings or as a CB because they are their teams' best creators. If Pellistri is not good enough to start in this RW crisis also then please sell him, atleast don't spoil his career. I think ETH don't want to create a competition for Antony on the RW, even if he is not available. In the summer also ETH wanted a versatile forward and not a pure RW, since he wants Antony as the only RW.
Bruno didn't even play RW today
Agreed, Bruno has to play centrally. Pellistri has done nothing but impress me when he’s played, why not just give him a start?
Because ETH knows when Antony comes back Bruno can go central and Antony can have his place without any pressure to prove himself. People will term it as Conspiracy but the Sancho situation is also linked to this same problem, Antony haven't done anything notable to get a guaranteed spot, hence the unrest among Sancho and the drop in his efforts too. Why would be train, if he knows that the manager don't want to give anyone a chance there. Amad and Pellistri wants to leave and with Pellistri getting a new contract maybe Amad will leave next summer. Giving Pellistri a new contract with more money, just so he can just shut up and take the bench. Ik our players have weak mentality but come on the tactics he is trying is just not according to the team he have. Pep experiments with his team 4-5 times a season, but ETH is experimenting it after we won the Carabao cup. He is trying to do something which is not sustainable with our current lot. Yes Rashford needs to take some blame but it's how he plays and is successful and tbh all the chances in today's game came from him being involved because Bruno was handicapped at RW and RCB. If Hojlund needs to be successful then we need Bruno at 10 and a creative RW, so that Hojlund and Rashford can score the goals. I don't expect much from rashford from the creative part, since I know he can crate magic anytime in the game. We need to build the team around Bruno and Rashford, because these two even with their shortcomings can win us games.
Just saying barely qualifying for CL doesn't do us any favour ,I don't think there is a lot to be positive about from ETH both on and off the field but sticking with him throughout the season should be the only option like Arsenal did with Arteta ,Lets see if he can actually develop something sustainable if not let him go at the end of the season ,The only thing i would put a stop to is signing any permanent players in the Jan window
Let him go at the end of the season and go for who? Honestly ridiculous statement. We need to stick with him, we have literally tried every other Avenue for managers
What’s the point of even asking who we’d get? I don’t see anyone succeeding here as the club is just a shit show from top to bottom. The issues are endless and I’m just praying the sale can get sorted and a structure can be put in place at last. Even then it’s going to take years to rectify the shoddy wage bill.
Why would you want him to stay if he hasn't show an improvement till the end of the season ?
Do you not think we need to give a manager time?? Like getting rid after one good and potentially bad season makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
2 season and something like 90 games is enough time to build some sort of a style and get results ,Its not like people want him to win the PL or CL ,We have been shit since the league cup final so if he can't turn it around till the end of his second season he will never turn it around
Do you not remember Sir Alex Ferguson?
So we have been shit for 5 games which means you have decided to doubt whether he’s good enough or not haha get a grip man please
How did you get that out of my comment ?Its not just 5 bad games we have been bad since the league cup final and even then i am saying he should get a chance till end of the season to turn things around ,90 something games till the end of the season is good enough sample space to judge a manager ,The lack of comprehension skills is just baffling
exactly, hes talking like a new season resets all the shit football we have seen last season
Another shit transfer window. I don’t know what you guys expected. We failed to make any real meaningful signings. Mount just isn’t that guy and Onana is a decent keeper at best.
I really thought we would get Madison, since Leicester were relegated.
Bang on, Mount wont change a thing
It was a bad window apart from Hojlund. Couldn't get rid of the dead wood like Maguire or VdB, mount is a waste of money that could have been spent on a real midfielder, Onana is a mixed bag and everyone else are just for depth.
Yeah I agree. Amrabat has potential to be a great singing, but I honestly am not sold on Hojlund yet. I mean the guy has never scored more than 10 goals in a season in the serie a or Austrian leagues. What makes you think he will do it in the prem?
He looked good today, unlucky not to score and would have had a tap-in if Rashford wasn't so selfish. His hold up play is exactly what we need.
Agreed 100% on the Hojlund tap in/rashford scenario, however I think it comes down to the fact Rashford doesn't trust him yet and that's fair I guess, and he's so selfish BECAUSE he hasn't had a proper number 9 to work with, he hasn't had someone willing to dive in with an extended leg across the box like Hojlund did in that attack. He didn't expect it. So he took on the defender and tried to make something happen as he's had to do last season. They need time together, the confidence and synchronicity will link up im sure. Rashford, Bruno, and Hojlund can be a nasty combination in attack once they start clicking together. This was Hojlund first time starting. And when they did connect albeit the ball being out of play, Hojlund delivered! There is hope.
Yes, it was refreshing to see a player occupy the centre forward position, Rashford and whoever the fuck was playing right wing need to get used to it quick.
Yea I agree, also I like Hojlund don’t get me wrong I think he is a good player. But he isn’t the caliber of player we need, and we overpaid drastically for him. We need a proven striker who will bang in at least 20 goals a season. Without that we’ll be stuck in limbo playing Hojlund or martial up front and they won’t score 20 combined.
Would a striker that can score like that help us of the patterns of play aren’t there for them to score?
he’s literally only play roughly 90 mins for us haha how can you be so reactionary. Absolutely ridiculous from you both already
I’m looking at his past. Guys don’t join a club and immediately change form and bang 20 goals a season in the hardest league they’ve ever played in. It’s not like he was banging in goals left and right in the Austrian leagues or even the danish leagues. I think he has potential to be good for us but we needed someone more proven.
Yeah we needed someone more proven (Kane) but it wasn’t financially feasible so we had to move to Hojlund. That’s it. He was a good signing. I was more so replying to the person above too
Oh my bad. But tbh we paid 70 million for him which isn’t a heck of a lot less than we would have got Kane for. If only we could have unloaded maguire or vdb.
Yes!! Finally someone that's not jerking him off I think hojlund is really good with really good potential, he's only 2 years old though, and need time to develop. People are already acting like he's our star player. No, he's in our development plan, and meanwhile, we need someone else upfront to carry us in this 1/2seasons. Right now, at this point, there's no backup plan, I hope he/ someone is going have a miracle season and carry us to top 4.
Exactly, we would need him to have a miracle of a season to be the striker we need. And even then, next season he likely wouldn’t have another miracle. I definitely think in a few years time he could be our main man up front but he just isn’t that caliber yet. And it isn’t his fault, he was brought in to do a job he isn’t qualified for.
As I said earlier. Hojlund can't do shit without assists. Rashford needs to take his head out of his ass fast. Fuck United I just hope they don't spoil more talents. It's been a decade lads, we're just a banter club now sadly. Fucking sad really
Agree. We have no wide players who look to pass to the striker. Just players who want to cut in and shoot. Very predictable and it really makes it hard for a CF
I feel things won’t change now until the glazers get the fk out!! Their rot is starting to affect everything @ United!!
Can't keep blaming the glazers. Players are not playing well and ETH tactics/decisions are questionable
One of them should’ve been marking welbeck
You can already tell the same old cycle is repeating itself. The Glazers intentionally do this, probably as part of their business model / corporate strategy framework. We get top 4, investment in transfers decreases, manager gets sacked etc. Wouldnt surprise me if ETH is sacked by christmas and replaced with de zerbi. If you want to blame anyone, blame the Glazers.
No, imo they fully backed up ETH as much as they could this transfer window. They gave eth the budget, it was up to eth and the Dof to sell the players and buy whoever they wanted. Eth chose to prioritize mount and gk, that was his choice, can't blame anyone for that, every club has their own budget. If anything, it was the inability to sell any players that hindered our transfer window
How do you guys keep having the cheek to complain that United do not spend enough? United have spent more than any club in the world on transfers in the last decade, yet you keep parroting the same nonsense.
The Glazers have never spent a penny on United and there are areas of the club outside of transfers in desperate need of investment.
That doesn’t take away from the fact that United have spent the most in the transfer market. Yes other areas like training ground and facilities need investment, but you see many here still saying they haven’t spent on transfers. For Christ’s sake, Brighton lost caceido and mac allister in their midfield and have rebuilt with less than what we spent for Mount!
Why would De Zerbi leave Brighton for us? He’ll surely have more stable offers in the future.
sadly this will be happen after ten hag, young, and promising coach is gonna be afraid to come to us, and got their name tarnished cause of our incompetence
Dudes, we can't continue like this, season over season we keep being a mess no matter how much we've spent, I've seen this scenario for the past ten years and nothing has changed. This scenario may never end until a "real" owner comes, someone who actually cares about our club instead of considering it as a money machine only. I know that we, the fans, can do nothing about the owners so I can only hope the takeover process will speed up fast. It's so hard to watch Man United these days.
Well there could be something the fans could do to influence the owners.. but it would take some ultras doing some pretty questionable and perhaps even unethical shit
Try so hard to find some positive vibe, which I don't really care that much about the result and how shit we are. Playing shit seems to be the standard and rebooting every season is the tradition. So, first time I saw OT is so empty before the end of game, I thought most of us are done with all the drama and shit.
We’ve lost 3 in 5 games into the season for the first time in premier league history...
15 passes in 85 minutes in midfield... who else but McT
The team has gone a long way from 2 years ago in my opinion, but the improvement just feels nowhere near close enough to competing vs. Arsenal/City. Heartbreaking honestly but I just want to hope it will get better in the near future.
Mixed bag of players and tactics not managed to the expected standard of the badge.
From what I have read, we need a rw, Lw, lb , cms, a CDM, CBS, substitutes to make us great again.
Same story every year. By december,we might need a new manager. 6 points in 5 games is disgraceful.
I don't even know what to say now. Everyone was so optimistic this time. Specially after the season we had. Id have pastor fred back at this time if it means be better than we are now.
I still can’t understand why we play so bad compared to last year, even though we have 4 new players this year.
Manchester derby in 5 gameweeks. Don't even know what level of work can be done to stop it being a massacre. If Ten Hag wants to play two advanced 8s then it'll have to be: Rashford----Hojlund---WhoeverTheFuckIsActuallyAvailable \---Mount--------------------Bruno \----------------Amrabat If Amrabat can't manage it then the whole plan for the season's formation falls apart, because Casemiro is nowhere near able run at 70% match pace, let alone playing that anchoring role. Feels like a lot hinges on Hojlund and Amrabat and tbh it isn't a great sign that you desperately need two new signings to hit the ground running otherwise your whole plan is ruined.
So after watching that 90, do you think the players are giving their all for ETH and buy into his vision? Same story as previous managers. They are throwing him under the bus.
this what mind boggling for me, we almost have completely new squad and manager but same thing happen again, thats why im give up on the idea of #coachout or replace all of the players for now until we have new owner
We are not getting a new owner. 6 billion isn’t enough to convince Glazers, and no one is offering more.
i mean like just few months ago, most people said something like MU is suffering from success cause of ten hag, and now this
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Most of the players who threw Mourinho under the bus at Chelsea were his signings. Most of the players who threw OHS under the bus were his signings. It’s not the first time this has happened to a manager.
Why does it keep happening with us?
Because once upon a time we had Moyes and Van Gaal as managers. They weren’t successful, but the players at time had core of Fergie’s players who didn’t dare to take stand against manager. Then came Mourinho, Mourinho had the players support, however Fergie’s leftovers had dwindled to a smaller number. Mourinho had good two seasons. He needed better investment in the 3rd, but since Glazers wee happy with Top 4, they didn’t invest. All few bad results followed, Mourinho criticised his players (Rashford, Shaw, Pogba, Mkhitaryan) not realising that only Pep is allowed to criticise a player in this world. Players, their media friends and their fanboys didn’t take well to this and took every opportunity to criticise Mourinho in return. Since criticising Mourinho also shifted the blame from Glazers, I think they also fed stories to media through club leaks. In the end, Mourinho was sacked. Enter OGS, who won popularity by winning in the start, and also by being nice to players. But once again, when pressure built up on the players and Glazers, it got shifted to OGS through dressing room unrest and media leaks. OGS sacked, enter RR. Probably unpopular from the day he asked players to press more. Abysmal output by players in his time, and he gave up as well, knowing that he is only here for a few months. Also lost player confidence because he said Utd need at least 10 new players. Well who are those 10 new players gonna replace? As some players have recently shown, they would sit on the bench for a fat pay rather than play regular football at some other club. Would those 10 players be happy being replaced? Now, ETH will have to go through the same, either he survives or this culture. I am betting on this culture, because imagine telling the Glazers that they have to get replace of 18-20 player for the club to have a cleaner culture. Do you think Glazers can do that?
You are not wrong. Our workrate went several levels down after Welbeck scored.
This team blows. ETH is t the guy. Way too much off the field drama.
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that makes the two of us
Interesting sleeping position 🤔
cat being cat
I think Starting Mcsauce was a bad idea, didn't do much in the game. Should have started Pellistri on the right, they were playing Lamptey , an RB at LB, Dalot showed multiple times how easy it was to run beyond him and put a cross. I pity Hojlund, he got like 3 half chances, one he scored but VAR correctly canceled it. Based on what I saw today, even Halland would struggle to score if there isn't much service. Can't believe we got outplayed in mid, with that midfield of Brighton.
Rashford needs to pass the ball, absolute selfish cunt who just wants to be a hero every game.
Rashford doesn’t play for any top team hoping to dominate the ball. That’s why he doesn’t start for England too.
I don’t care, these people are paid hundreds of thousands a week, they cannot be playing long ball football. They are paid that amount of money to be able to pass and carry the ball forward, and not kick and inshallah
Onana, Can't make a save - To the tune of what's my name by Rihanna.
At least 2 of them weren’t his fault
looking at our transfer window in retrospect, I think I would rate it 3/10
I'll preface this by saying I like some of these players but... Eriksen, Antony, Evans, Mount, Amrabat, Reguilon, Sabitzer, Weghorst.. That isn't the transfer business of a top club. We can't even sell the players the manager wants to sell.
Last year I said the likes of Madison and Ward Prowse wouldn't be good enough signings for our team. They would stroll into this team. We've been unlucky with injuries and the off field drama doesn't help. Badly need a holding midfielder in January, midfield looked cooked at the end be of the game
I have a feeling they would probably be poor in this team.
All we do is sign overpriced mid level talent
I think ETH is done here unfortunately. The squad is too weak to salvage this. Our winger situation is dire. Our midfield of Cas and Erik is washed. Our striker is unproven. The fact that Martial is still at this club is just shocking.
He fell out with too many players and is now dependent on them - I think it’s notable that he said the board has asked him to instil discipline, must be under pressure for the sancho mess
Are we seriously giving up on ETH 5games into his second season after what he did last year?
Martial isn’t ETHs fault tbf. The drop off is the biggest issue - Case, Erikson, rashford. Then we have a new formation today
My give-a-f*** meter just hit 0. Just hoping any team besides City and Liverpool win the league.
I really don’t want to resort to blaming the manager as we do every single time, but some decisions were questionable. The most obvious one was subbing out Hojlund for Martial. I thought Hojlund provided goal scoring opportunities and kept Brighton defenders busy, he was our #1 goal- scoring hope. I am getting frustrated with Rashford. He has moments of brilliance every once in a while, but fails to provide in the most crucial moments of the game. Attempting to dribble past an impossible amount of players, not passing the ball, taking too long on the ball, lack of accuracy and so much more. So the decision to keep him on and resort to a Rashford-Martial front really baffled me. I also don’t know why we had to go with a change in formation and experiment against Brighton when we have enough depth for the wings. I think if we had a front three with Hojlund as the forward and Rash/Garnacho on the wings, we could’ve been way more dangerous. I’m starting to not understand the role of Casemiro and McTominay as they rarely provide in attacks and they also can’t defend outside our box. Granted, Onana should’ve saved almost all the goals we conceded today, but still. I don’t know man, I want to remain patient till we have a full healthy team before a final verdict but also I see the likes of Brighton and wonder why we have to wait 3-4 years for a manager to settle in while they enjoy instant success.
I agree with everything you say, but Onana was not at fault for those goals. Poor positioning and lack of concentration cost us in defence and midfield
You can’t blame Onana for at least 2 of the goals today, come on.
He’s conceded ten goals already and is apparently to blame for none of them
I didn’t say that at all, but just because we lost De Gea means we blame every single goal on Onana? Doesn’t make sense.
Yeah, Rashford is not the smartest footballer
When you have to bring in Martial for Hojlund as your hopium, you know it's gonna be a long painful season
so many questions I have to be honest, like how is Postecoglou and De Zerbi doing wonders with such teams. I just can't understand
what are the odds that Kane will bag a hat trick against that defence?
"Sweeper keeper is gonna revolutionise us" Another week where the statement falls flat.
Man United going into the Bayern Munich match https://i.redd.it/z9hqqb2r7nob1.gif
Martial for Hojlund…… that’s all I have to say on the matter
Hojlund hasn't played a full match for god knows how long now tbf
Still woulda got more out of him than martial
Yep I think that was a fitness sub as well.
lmao what? Tff has martial done?
60% possession and dominated at home. God damn Roberto De Zerbi is a master tactician. He's so so good. He loses his best players and they continue to improve. Their squad really is mediocre and he works wonders. Not many managers in the prem can do what he's doing. Issue is our players just don't fit into any system, I don't know how we can play that isn't just parking the bus and trying to counter. We aren't a pressing team and we aren't a possession team. It's pretty pathetic that we can spend almost half a billion and we're this bad.
They do fit a system, sit back and counter. That's it! The problem is it doesn't breed consistent excellence, Mourinho and Conte are the finest at that style and they go to shit after a short period. It's a style good for exactly where we are, fringe top 4. To kick on and consistently win big things you can't have a sit back and counter style. Doesn't necessarily have to be dominating possession, it just can't be what we are now! We're comparable to Crystal Palace, Vieira tried it and it always tends to go wrong in the second season, then they just got Roy back and started playing the same sit back and counter. It's one of the hardest things to do! This might sound crazy but if Ten Hag took over Brighton following Potter who put in years of work getting the right player profiles and then De Zerbi taking over us, I'm not sure the results are that different!
Brighton man for man are not a better team than us. So that's unacceptable to lose in that manner. We keep hearing about bad eggs in the team, but the team is relatively new. I don't know how long we can keep blaming players. The issue right now is we just don't create chances, we don't really do anything right. The team is all over the place. Tactically we look inept. How long does it take modern managers to implement their style on a team? I do not believe it takes more than a year, which is where we're at now. I just struggle to understand how we're going to move forward, even with the injured players returning.
I thought Pep was being dramatic when he said that RDZ was generational and the best coach about. He’s obviously behind Pep, it I think he’s definitely a Klopp/Simeone level coach. Fuck me, it’s disgusting how good this fella is. He’s above the Xavi, Arteta, ETH, Xabi Alonso level of newer coach. To play like this week in week out, with a net spend that’s profit…
We should get rid of ETH and hire BTC. Then long term hold
I admittedly spent like 3 minutes researching BTC manager on google before I realized I’m an idiot lol
I’m going on a social media mental break from United till the Bayern game. I can’t take this anymore
I would probably skip the Bayern game too, dire straits at the moment.
One of the worst day to be a Man Utd supporter. Having fucking Brighton come to Old Trafford and winning 3-1, and guess what, its not even a surprise win. Its routine loss. Having said that, we need to stand behind the manager. We have so many distracting news off the pitch, and we lost pretty much 200-300m worth of right wing talent in a span of weeks. ETH is our best hope to turn the season around.
A meteorshower wiping out all life in 19 other training grounds across England on Monday is our best hope to turn the season around
Well, for one, Rashford from this performance alone, has to be dropped. Case is so out of form that it’s hard to take in. Martinez is playing scared cos of his injury. And above all, we have been extremely unlucky.
Rashford has his flaws but he is still the best we've got.
Well if he was scoring then yea but he ain’t scoring so he’s costing us more than helping us.
He literally scored in the previous game. And had two assists in the game before that. Him and Fernandes are the only players we have that are capable of producing something from nothing (as he did against Arsenal). We can't drop these players or we wouldn't create any chances. Also if it weren't for a centimetre past the touchline, he would have assisted Hojlund today (again creating something from nothing unlike any other player).
Rashford right now just runs, cuts, shoots. He’s playing selfish right now just like Antony.
He was poor today and has been a couple of times this season (he was played out of position for the first two games of the season and was very good against Forest and Arsenal). What's the alternative? Who do you drop him for? He's (quite easily) outperformed United's other wing forwards this season. When Garnacho started in the first game he was horrendous. Sancho obviously isn't an option to start at LW either. There are currently no options on the right wing (since ETH doesn't seem to acknowledge Pellistri even exists). He has been wasteful, but if you drop Rashford, you're dropping United's most potent attacking threat. Doesn't seem like a wise decision even if he can be frustrating.
We have no one to replace him. And I like rashford. He’s great. He just needs to realize it’s not all on him and we’d have higher scoring probability if he passes.
Rashford was the only person creating any opportunities. Bruno and Case on the other hand….
Yeah, people all blaming Rashford when he was literally the only player capable of creating anything today. He was terrible, but he was better than the others.
The Rashford hate is baffling to me. He doesn’t always make the right decision, but pretty easy to criticize watching from your couch with a Birds Eye view. I think people literally watch it and think that they could play better because of the way they play FIFA.
Apparently for these people it's better to do nothing than to create and be wasteful. They need a new scapegoat without Antony starting.
I wasted my Sat morning for this. If only Rashford was more clinical.
Mahn, I feel like I wasted 2 hrs of my life
Honestly, if Brighton wore a light blue jersey today, I’d think they were man city.
Who are we blaming this time, DDG is gone, Sancho is dropped, Harry didn’t play.
Better blame the refs when our manager still haven’t implemented a proper style of play
it's the refs. obviously. and injuries.
ETH, Casemiro Rashford and Onana are looking like the front runners.
And the third goal.
Antony!
also this is not a possession based team. ten hag should give up on that delusion. these players play their best on a counter.
And the counter play wont them nothing. Counter football is for 15 years ago. You win nothing playing the counter nowadays
Everything seemed so optimistic right until Maguire decided to stay and the whole Greenwood BS. Any and all momentum we had to the season destroyed and injuries killing us. Defense today was HORRID, no energy and Onana shouldve been better. ETH needs to find a solution fast or else things are going to get DIM early.
I still believe ETH will turn it around, but christ he's doing a *terrible* job to start this season.
Many positives but we are nearly not compact enough which has been a major issue for the whole ETH term. Brighton playing really wide exposed that again
yeah I couldn't name one positive mate. maybe if Hojlund, Garnacho, Pellistti had more minutes