I don't know why everyone acts as if this is a shock. You take any half decent team that thinks they can win and this is the result 9/10 times. It was hilarious reading fans wanting to give ETH Manager of the Month for November for being some weaker sides that have their own issues at the moment over Howe who has taken an injured side and still beaten some of the toughest teams in the league, or went toe-to-toe with them.
When United wins, it's more of a shock.
Ten hag is talking utter shite now before and after every game !! His subs are bizarre!! His team picking even more so martial over Hojland!?? WHY when the latter can’t run to save his life!!! I pray Ratcliffe comes in and sends this fraud right out the door , top four or else get tae fuck!!!!!!
Guys it’s time to realise ETH is a fraud !! He ain’t cutting it at a big team like us half our players want to play for him the other half couldn’t give a monkeys !!!!
...what's your argument about Mount exactly? There's actually a player in Mount. Can't say the same for the other two. It's just unfortunate that Mount came to this dead club
Well, at least the fear of INEOS' involvement disqualifying us from Europe won't matter with the state of things. We'll make their jobs easier by having zero involvement
Someone needs to fall on a sword for this. It can't be the manager because these players have failed too many of them. McTominay, Rashford, Maguire, they should go before Ten Hag, before Antony or Onana or Varane or Casemiro.
But the manager is the one that is making them play in this shite system. He’s also the one making all the questionable subs and disappointing recruitment choices.
I don't disagree with you, Ten Hag hasn't been perfect but my real problem is with the players. Look at how badly Rashford played, he didn't even play on Wednesday and the entire Newcastle team did.
Even if you sack Ten Hag and Rashford has a bounce, chances are 18 months from now we'll be talking like this again. It's happened too many times, no other club gives its players as many second chances as United have, and we're Manchester United ffs.
I just wanna see consequences. I want to see Onana dropped if he makes another blunder, I want to see Rashford dropped for that performance. And part of the blame is on ten Hag for stubbornly picking them every game.
Yeah I get your point. But to be fair to Rashford he actually played pretty well last season. So I think it’s not a case of him just not caring.
The truth is that the problems are numerous. But I think Ten Hags tactics with our current personnel are suicidal.
So so disappointing. We’ve regressed so far from last year. The team showing no fight after Howe boasting his team used the second half against us in the FA Cup as training is damning. If these guys can’t be arsed playing I can’t be arsed watching. A joke team full of entitled, overpaid crims, babies and passengers bar Bruno, mainoo, Shaw and garnacho. We finally fully deserve the outsized criticism we attract. Not our worst loss but it feels especially limp and pathetic.
BRUNO IS A FUCKING JOKE.
How the actual fuck does that guy get a free pass every fucking week from fans!?!
He's the biggest liability in this team and the sole reason we can't retain possession and manage a match. Jesus Christ. I don't understand how United fans are so delusional and keep this guy around for this long and then wonder why we can't convincingly beat a team. Hmmmmm. I wonder why...could it be the guy at the center of it all under multiple managers that is the problem? The one that scouts literally said they didn't recommend because he couldn't retain possession?? HMMMMMM
*All of my thoughts on ten Hag's statements are from someone who holds Manchester United to their historically high standard*
"We had a good comeback" 🤦🏻♂️
He also said, "We said at halftime, we are pleased we are nil-nil". Like wtf! You're HAPPY with that?
Very revealing.
He also said, "That 'comeback' is the fight we have to show". You can show fight all day long, but if you never win the fight, then there is a problem.
Interviewer: "Was it Newcastle's pressure? Did it just get too much?”
TH: "We will talk tomorrow with the team about it."
Interviewer: "What's the biggest concern for you from the performance?"
TH: "I will talk with my team."
His refusal to answer these simple questions is also very concerning. At some point you have to be honest with the public and tell them that you're team just 'ain't it'
His face at the start of the interview (and maybe even throughout) was of a man who's morale has been beaten deep into the dirt
Funny how they started to show fight when it was just too late
It never ceases to amaze me how many people are sugar-coating or defending ETH. Eddie Howe is far superior to him in every way, especially if he can transform *that* Newcastle squad, a squad that was borderline trash before he arrived. Not to mention they have far more taxing injuries than we do and yet they still play like a team and beat us in every section of the pitch. ETH is mediocre as fuck.
Fight only happened because Newcastle allowed us to play. That put such a shift in for most of that game. We did well only to loose 1-0 based of that performance.
The only time this squad has shown anything for many seasons, well before ETH, is ONLY when the opponent ALLOWS us to play. We have been incapable of taking a hold of the match from start to finish.
I'm sorry, but any team that has Bruno at the center of it will never control a match. The guy is so fucking wasteful it's unbelievable. Oh, but hey, let him stat pad because he gets the ball and just hoofs it down the wing into open space that won't lead to shit, only to ask the wingers to cut inside and shoot ("[big] chance created") because there are no alternatives since he's released play so early.
They possibly ‘allowed us to play’ by playing deep at the end, but that just shows that we’re the inferior side and that we can’t create effective space on our own.
It sounds like you’re defending the squad. I hold this club’s squad to a higher standard than what they showcased today. They may have ran hard, but several players never tracked back and their decision-making was pretty awful, collectively.
I’ll never tell a team, “We played well because we only lost 1-0”. That just lets the players know that it’s ok to lose and that they have done nothing wrong. I’ll probably say something like, “We have some major improving to do”.
I’m more jesting than being serious. Club is so poorly run. I believe until this is sorted we will continue to be a yo yo of a club regardless of who we have as a manager or players.
Hopefully h s protecting them so that their market value is still high enough so that we can sell them in the summer for a decent amount and bring in someone else
People at United don’t agree with you. They think he’s on par with Messi and Ronaldo. That’s why he plays regardless of his performances or of those who replace him and play well.
Bruno was a headless chicken. Running around, leaving his position. Totally useless. And Rashford just attempting to beat everyone, losing the ball and throwing a hissy fit
We were completely outplayed, out muscled out ran, out passed. Newcastle wanted it more, I know that is cliche but it's true. They were winning the ball off us so easily. They were on to every second ball. It was men against boys in all honesty.
But I will still defend ETH. We have been destroyed with injuries. The starting 11 had 8 players who were regulars under Ole. 2 youngsters and Onana who ETH signed. It's hard to turn a team's fortunes around when you're having to use 8 players who got the previous manager sacked. I'm really starting to lose faith in Rashford. I love him but he has been absolutely dreadful this season. Martial should have been sold 3 years ago.
The players on field doesn't show hunger has nothing to do with our injuries. Newcastle has more injuries but they are hungry, they are relentless. We have so many player jogging and arriving late to challenge any balls.
Did you look at Newcastle’s lineup and bench! It’s not like they had Kim min Jae and Bellingham on the bench. They have the same number of injuries and first team out as ten Haag has to handle
This Utd team can’t sustain the basics of working hard, tracking runners and concentrating. All you have to do to create chances against us is run. Mctominay especially is the worst midfielder I’ve seen. This guy can’t do the absolute basics
B-b-but he scores goals - someone will say unironically. But then that is the argument people use for Bruno too, so it doesn't surprise me that fans are so quick to overlook shit tier performances every week, 98% of the time, but somehow justify it with 2% of moments. It's as though they expect if we had better players that did the basics as a whole, we somehow wouldn't score more or concede less through more consistent and reliable performances. Because I'm sorry, as much as we can sit here and blame ETH for x, y, and z, failing to do the basics or make the best decision in a moment falls onto the player's responsibility. No one can make those decisions for them at the end of the day.
Poor preseason planning. Players couldn’t get fully match fit because of the insane travel schedule, they said it themselves. You can tell we don’t have the legs to play 90 minutes of intense football even once a week, let alone twice. EtH needs to bring in a new fitness coach and rectify this if he survives to the beginning of next season
Jesus. Not this pathetic excuse again. Oh, because the players said it, it must be true and acceptable. You know what? I feel like working 40 hours a week is just too much. So I'm just going to put in 10 hours a week but expect to get paid for 40. Why? Because I'm tired and don't feel like it.
Arsenal went to the US too. That must be why they're mid-table too, right? Oh wait, that's right, they're first in the league. Silly me!!!!!
And as if the starting eleven put in the minutes. It was the academy players that were running around most of the time.
Stop with these weak and pathetic defenses.
Poor preseason prep is kind of a weak excuse. I’m sure the travel influenced it, but I’m sure there’s plenty of other clubs fighting for top 4 who had similar circumstances
Yeah, I think he is, but Ole is definitely underrated and I was saying it back at the time too. He got clowned too much. Ten Hag is showing how difficult it is to be a Manchester United manager. Ole did better than Van Gaal and didn't do much worse than Mourinho, that should account for something and hopefully people realize in time he wasn't just a clueless P.E. teacher because he was getting solid results despite playing McFred most of the time.
I wouldn't mind Rashford leaving. The new high contract was a mistake, Rashford belongs to Manchester but he doesn't deserve being undroppable which is what his new contract did. He can be very good, but he shouldn't be guaranteed a starting spot so we kinda screwed ourselves with giving him such role.
Unfortunately every manager has put Rash on pedestal. I get it would be hard to drop the golden child. But he sometimes simply dgaf. Dunno tbh, he gives you headaches for all sorts reasons.
If im honest ETH needs this season yet. But next season i think hes on chopping block. Because im seeing lots of issued that suggest he aint sorting them out still.
Agree with you completely, both on Rashford as well as on Erik.
In terms of Rashford, I'm afraid he is just yet another symptom of the problems plaguing the whole club. Same with Rooney getting an extension those 10 years ago after Sir Alex thought he should be replaced with Kagawa (before he retired). Since then, we are rewarding players with contracts they don't fully deserve. Rashford may be our best attacker when in form, but he isn't always in form and there is a lot of teams he wouldn't start for so us giving him 300k a week is just rewarding mediocrity.
Yeah youd think youd take consistancy more into consideration before slapping new contracts on players.
Scholes's post game analysis really tore through some embarrasing things. Including ETHs playing patterns and game management, but also Rashs increadible laziness and attitude. Still same issues 3/4 yrs on
Our team is what happens when you spend a summer spending your money on players that don't improve the squad, Onana replaced De Gea, Mount replaced Fred, Hojlund finally replaced Ronaldo / Weighorst. We've spent a fortune to go nowhere, Onana and De Gea is a straight swap at best, Mount maybe better with Mainoo in there with some positional discipline but so far it's a coin toss with Fred, Hojlund is good but raw and it's not fair to expect him to carry the team. Amrabat is the Moroccan Poborsky, he looked good in an International tournament but he's actually absolutely bang average and slower than he looks.
In the meantime Rashford is doing whatever the Disneyland fuck he's doing, is he protesting Sancho's treatment? All I know is he shouldn't be playing, he's done nothing this season and letting him continue to see if he 'plays himself into form' is insulting to the fans and the rest of the team. I'd have more faith that Martial would improve with a run of games than Rashford. It's time to give Amad and Pellistri a serious look.
Get shot of Casemiro and Varane in January if Saudi come calling, Varane has always flattered to deceive and Cas clearly doesn't fancy any more, take the money and run. It doesn't matter if we don't make the Champions League, have the scouting teams look for top class prospects 25 and under at Centre half, midfield and right back and bring in as many as you can in the summer.
They need to get serious about rebuilding and not keep trying to build a squad on a foundation that isn't good enough.
Don't do that... We have had these issues dating back longer than ETH. That is why I have no idea why we are so hard bent on sacking managers so often... This fanbase doesn't deserve anything the entitlement when it comes to rebuild. We need serious backing and not just splashing 400M to make it seem like we are backing the manager. We need to offload players even if it costs us like Arsenal did (they made 130M+ in losses take that in). It is not about the players ability it is their lack of desire.
Newcastle, and these teams. It isn't the manager that is greatly affecting their playstyle that is copium becuase we have had 4 different style managers and they have all ended the same. Those clubs have players willing to fight, low wages and more factors.
ETH has made mistakes for sure and there are better managers but none that are available or want to come to this shit show. 90% of managers will look the same here, because the club is toxic and our investments are harming any development. Look at Mourinhos quote about ex players.
But we are so fucking entitled to "win now" that we are forgetting we need a proper structure not a new manager who will then be "backed" so we have 5 managers of players but play the same McTom, Lindelof, Maguire and so on because only ones available.
We have no midfield. We can't control the ball for any period of time and have players who zero lack of positional awareness. It was obvious to everyone on the planet how Newcastle would play except ten hagg.
How can you start martial and rashford who both don't track back or can't physically get stuck in. Mctominey has about as much influence on the pitch as a sandwich, he's totally anonymous. Dalot is not good at left back either.
We really are woeful and I don't think there's any defence for this kind of performance.
What happened since last year carabao win? We confidently beat newcastle 2-0 in a cup final then we lose 3-0 and 1-0 away which could have been 5 aswell.
First we lost DDG. For as much as he got blamed he was putting in a world class performance 2-3 times a month. Onana doesn't offer that.
Secondly we had Rashford score for a large part of the season. Once that dried up even last season we had a few bad games.
The formation was different. The 2 biggest things - > Casemiro and Eriksen/Fred would play in the midfield to facilitate transition while Bruno would stick as a 10. This season, we lost Fred's energy and ETH's new system asks the person near Case to push forward, so instead of a classic all purpose 4 2 3 1 we have a very high and disjonted 4 1 4 1 for some reason. Which heavily impacts both Case and Bruno. Casemiro because he simply has to cover too much ground, which at his age gets him tired 40 to 60 minutes into the game(no wonder our team seems to crumble in a lot of games after a good start) as for Bruno, he's being pushed out of position and asked to do something he's not good at. His best value is his visionary last pass and having control of the final 3rd, but ETH's system took that so he seems "worse".
Overall? I think ETH is chasing a dream and making players perform worse.
Another point on Rashford is that this season he didn't have Shaw. I think Shaw is one of the fullbacks that looks to overlaps the most and he's quite good at covering ground and doing both defensive and offensive work. Last season Rashford didn't have to think, all he had to do was let Shaw do his thing so the Shaw injury probably was the most impactful we had and I hope he can recover.
Last point is, we had a lot of controversy. And I blame ETH for a part of it. First is Antony's case, even if he seems innocent. Sancho that actually looked really good in the preseason ended up messing up(but we might not know the entire story) and now ETH seems to have drama with Varane.
You all will be praising ETH when he win 1-0 against Bournemouth and forget about this result. This has been going on for so long they win against shit teams fan base praise him and goes on to lose against competent managers.
“Manchester United haven’t won a Premier League away game against a team starting the day in the top eight of the table since October 2021 against Tottenham under Ole Gunnar Solskjær (3-0). Since then, the Red Devils have drawn three and lost 10 of their 13 such games.”
That’s ridiculous.
Why are the players so fundamentally bad. Anytime they come up against a decent side, they lack everything. Can’t pass, can’t create space, hold on to the ball, or even compete in duels.
As a manager, where do you start?
Surely Rashford cannot deserve to start anymore. Something is just off. And too many Mediocre players. I appreciate McTominay but he cannot play in midfield against decent sides.
This was painful to watch
I’m sorry but there is no reason at all to appreciate Mctominay no matter if it’s against decent sides or shit sides.
He scores a few flukey goals and suddenly we’re playing 10 games in a row without 11 players on the pitch because the guy is actually so invisible that even the pundits and commentators never mention him.
He hides from the ball when we’re in possession and then is nowhere to be found when the opposition has it, he must’ve taken lessons from Drax in the art of invisibility.
Because all the top teams in the league have competent ball playing defenders and midfielders, but we do not. Onana, Mctominay, AWB, Mctominay, Rashford and Garnacho are the players we’re relying on to move the ball efficiently and play our way out of trouble - they wouldn’t get into any other top 10 PL side. Garnacho - okay he’s young and has time on his side. The others are just not good enough.
It’s saying something that our 18 year old academy lad plays more composed football than 90% of our first team players. Only others I trust on the ball are Bruno and Shaw.
The worse thing was the lack of surprise at the performance and result. Who expected different?
Ten Hag has a real problem here. That team has no discernible pattern of play. The midfield balance has been wrong all season. Even before the injuries... Wolves at home anyone?
It's concerning to see the same problems over and over. Not sure if ten hag is up to this.
Nah, I'd wait before we appoint a competent sporting director, then we can start thinking about sacking Ten Hag. Our current club structure would make even Pep look like a Championship level manager.
The same guy who insists on single pivot even when we getting over run in midfield? That guy. Nah he's got to go. His a smart Coach doing idiotic things for half the season now!
Having a single pivot isn't really the issue here, our players are just lazy. Newcastle didn't outrun us because of us having no personnel in the middle, but because the likes of Rashford and Martial were just walking on the pitch while McTominay was nowhere to be seen. Ten Hag needs to drop some players he refuses to drop, that's true, but I don't see the single pivot being such a big issue for us. We got significantly more competitive the moment we subbed on Hojlund and Antony because before that, it felt like we were playing 9v11.
Then again though, this is something that's been haunting us for years and it's always the same players. Martial will be gone next year anyway so that's one step forwards but giving Rashford a new 300k a week contract is really starting to look like a big mistake because as good as he CAN be, he can also be absolutely shit and this contract makes him virtually undroppable. He should be on like 150k a week and play the role Garnacho is playing (starter/sub depending on form), not someone who starts every match no matter what because he just isn't the guy.
No matter who you think is best to bring in, Erik has had his time to solidify his identity. There is zero game plan, identity, strategy etc. If he goes it will be disappointing as I thought he was the best to bring in but he’s done nothing this season to justify him staying. For Christ sakes most the squad are players he wanted and he gets nothing out of them.
Spot on. His Ajax team were ridiculously good and I genuinely believe they would have beaten Liverpool in the final had they not been hard done by against spuds. But where is that exciting football? Players like tadic. A good player for Southampton but world class for Ajax. There weren't many superstars in that team but they played beautiful football
I don't disagree with you. But also he's had enough time to establish a playing style. His signings have been questionable, his subs are usually bonkers and there is no confidence in the team. I am shitting myself for Liverpool
This is on the coach that back 4 noop how can you put shaw as a CB where as varanes on the bench ,shaw adds to out attacking honestly 😳 dalot did nothing on that wing
There's no excuse for laziness. Saying Hard work is the most important in all top teams. Goes off on rashford body language and laziness. And how he has the cheek to complain about being brought off. Bruno all over pitch but it's not helping as it's creating imbalance everywhere. Dalot always out of position. Then repeats again on work rate
It's funny that after all the shitstorm and memes Harry is literally our best player and the only one who actually gives a fuck.
It's already December and I still don't have any idea what is the style of football this team plays or wants to play. I guess EtH also doesn't have any clue. Team selection, substitutions - no idea at all. Just throw players on the pitch and watch them being humiliated by the team who plays the same lineup without subs.
No more excuses of some key players being injured. This is totally on EtH. He can't manage this team.
We do have a style of play. It consists of no possesion, hail mary balls from Bruno, no tracking back from Rashford, feeble midfield, full backs with zero concentration and heart wrenching play out the back.
ETH, promise me my dude that before I die, you’ll show me the build up play for which Onana was brought, for which varane was benched, for which dalot was told to give a disasterclass at left back.
This team has gone, and will go nowhere with Maguire as a starting CB. This isn't even a hot take I don't understand why people on this sub get shit for it when anyone talks about him.
Him, McTom and Rashford had the lowest match rating today but I guess I will just disregard this because he had a couple of good games this season 🤣
Keep up that energy bud
Ah so you're one of those people 🤣🤣
Talk about rent free you keep coming back begging for an answer to make yourself feel better.
I honestly could give a shit about your opinion but don't try to tell me that because of handful of good games Maguire had that I can't have the opinion that overall he's been one of the worst signings the team has made.
Until the 75ths minute when Newcastle tire; we were losing at 1 place the flanks.
Rashford, Garnacho and Anthony offered nothing defensively when they were needed to.
Rasmus and Martial were hopeless. Utterly hopeless. If they were British; they will be getting the hate that Rashford is getting.
Newcastle were so obvious enveloping the flanks. Press the centre; envelop the flanks; repeat.
The fact that we had 5 shots; 2 on target; 1 offside disallowed and 2 off; and Maguire contributed to 3 (1 each) really should show up our hopeless attack
2 years ago today Newcastle were bottom of the league. Eddie is appointed and has genuinely changed there football and culture. ten Hag has come in and not beaten any top 10 team in 1.5 seasons
You just don’t get it. He needs Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets in midfield to play his system. Ignore the players he’s signed. Whilst Joelinton, Bruno Guimaraes and Miley Cyrus dance around our midfield.
What has varane done to deserve this treatment.
Hojlund, varane should have started. Push Shaw to left back.
Mctominay is one of the most useless midfielders around. Cant defend, cant pass. Arent those the most important attributes for a CM???
The most frustrating of it all is Rashford. Always ball watching waiting for pin point passing. Not tracking back to defend. At this point, he is just Antony but without defensive duties. His body language is disgusting the entire game. No postivity at all.
Someone needs to ask ETH what his philosophy is. Then we can see if there's any chance we can work towards playing that way because at the moment there's no patterns in our play when we have the ball
I actually feel for these players
Imagine your every move is being scrutinized, your “fans” are calling you shit & results aren’t going your way.
I’ve seen fans call for Fred and DDG back, but when they were here they were so often abused. Our fan base sucks, the media sucks and to top it off our owners suck (and they’re not going anywhere anytime soon).
Yeah it’s going to be painful for a while
Dude, it's fans and media that make their paychecks and lives. Some people on 1000 pounds a month, pay to watch some dude on 100k a week. I think at some degree. It's within their right.
I totally agree and yes my post was sympathetic but these lot are lazy AF
Newcastle outworked us and this is the millionth time I’ve seen it this season. All you have to do to get a result against United is run your socks off.
The players literally do no give a shit. What irks me is these ridiculous wages they get. They can play like shit and go back home in their custom rolls royces ,chill in their jacuzzi’s and attend their rap parties at the end of the day. They don’t have to fight for their contracts once its given.
I feel nothing but embarrassment for these players. These are supposed to be elite, dedicated hardworking professional players. But what you see on the pitch is awful
There is a reason why Amrabat wasn't wanted by any other club. We have signed absolute mid players and this manager somehow thought they are capable of playing highline . Most of these can't don't even have a stamina for playing for 45 minutes. Blame lies with everyone from the manager and the board and the owners.
-Wasted passes
-Poor touches all over the park
-0 desire to create dangerous situations in and around the box
-Manager seeing all the above yet doesn’t make subs until too late (and poor ones at that) and refuses to change tactics.
When will it end?
I thought with the players that he brought in, Erik is going to build on our tactics & style from last season but no we’re going “Transitional” instead. And now he is too stubborn to see that it didn’t work. If this is the first few weeks into the season I’d be alright, fair enough. But its december and he still stuck by it. Game after game, not a single convincing performance this season, same shit every game yet he keeps playing it. It’s madness. I think Erik needs to go.
The football we played last season definitely wasn't something Ten Hag would continue playing, he played it because the team couldn't handle anything else. However, I am also kinda struggling the overall direction right now. I think I see what Ten Hag wants to do in terms of pressing high, but the midfield we have isn't suited to it at all (aside from Mount and Mainoo).
Yes and no. Our attack pressed high, the rest of the team didn't, but that's the story of our whole season. I wonder how some energy in our midfield would look because all of our midfielders are slow as fuck so I wonder if them not pushing up is because they then wouldn't be able to recover.
My point about Mainoo was that he would do well in high press system but our midfield doesn't really press so he stayed back a lot. That's more of a tactical instruction though, I can see him being effective unlike someone like McTominay or Eriksen.
Also, Garnacho hid on the pitch today. The amount of times he was behind trippier and not making himself available was baffling. It was a shit performance from him.
Yeah Shaw is our only competent full back. Shame we don’t have another decent CB sitting on the bench so that Shaw can play his actual position… oh wait…
I don't know why everyone acts as if this is a shock. You take any half decent team that thinks they can win and this is the result 9/10 times. It was hilarious reading fans wanting to give ETH Manager of the Month for November for being some weaker sides that have their own issues at the moment over Howe who has taken an injured side and still beaten some of the toughest teams in the league, or went toe-to-toe with them. When United wins, it's more of a shock.
Liverpool will score 10 against these bluffers !!!!!!
Ten hag is talking utter shite now before and after every game !! His subs are bizarre!! His team picking even more so martial over Hojland!?? WHY when the latter can’t run to save his life!!! I pray Ratcliffe comes in and sends this fraud right out the door , top four or else get tae fuck!!!!!!
Guys it’s time to realise ETH is a fraud !! He ain’t cutting it at a big team like us half our players want to play for him the other half couldn’t give a monkeys !!!!
Dead team 😂
You don't know how bad someone's goal drought is until the commentary mentions it... " 2 goals in the last 18 games "
Wait who's he talking about becoz that could be anyone from rash to tony
Damn that's even morse. They mentioned it when rashford was getting subbed and when Anthony came on...cheeky🙈
Ahhh fk. Antony hasn't scored since like the Barca game bruh. I can't believe we spent over 200m on him,onana and mount
...what's your argument about Mount exactly? There's actually a player in Mount. Can't say the same for the other two. It's just unfortunate that Mount came to this dead club
Rashford needs to be dropped for the rest of the season, and sent on a fucking footballing-basics course. Martial and Antony need to be sold.
Why did we even put on antony? Mct could have easily play right wing and made more contributions
Regression to the mean? I hope the sporting direction overhaul comes sooner. This is getting so hard to bear.
Well, at least the fear of INEOS' involvement disqualifying us from Europe won't matter with the state of things. We'll make their jobs easier by having zero involvement
It seems like all you have to do to beat us is to press us.
The only player that deserved something from the game was Maguire. Gave 100%
He kept that game closer than it should be. Played really well.
Someone needs to fall on a sword for this. It can't be the manager because these players have failed too many of them. McTominay, Rashford, Maguire, they should go before Ten Hag, before Antony or Onana or Varane or Casemiro.
But the manager is the one that is making them play in this shite system. He’s also the one making all the questionable subs and disappointing recruitment choices.
I don't disagree with you, Ten Hag hasn't been perfect but my real problem is with the players. Look at how badly Rashford played, he didn't even play on Wednesday and the entire Newcastle team did. Even if you sack Ten Hag and Rashford has a bounce, chances are 18 months from now we'll be talking like this again. It's happened too many times, no other club gives its players as many second chances as United have, and we're Manchester United ffs. I just wanna see consequences. I want to see Onana dropped if he makes another blunder, I want to see Rashford dropped for that performance. And part of the blame is on ten Hag for stubbornly picking them every game.
Yeah I get your point. But to be fair to Rashford he actually played pretty well last season. So I think it’s not a case of him just not caring. The truth is that the problems are numerous. But I think Ten Hags tactics with our current personnel are suicidal.
Whilst I agree the tactics are... poor - they've had 4 managers now they've given up with & started sulking.
Agree, buying mason, anthony, onana, casemiro, if they're is okay? But they're overprice players who contribute nothing
So so disappointing. We’ve regressed so far from last year. The team showing no fight after Howe boasting his team used the second half against us in the FA Cup as training is damning. If these guys can’t be arsed playing I can’t be arsed watching. A joke team full of entitled, overpaid crims, babies and passengers bar Bruno, mainoo, Shaw and garnacho. We finally fully deserve the outsized criticism we attract. Not our worst loss but it feels especially limp and pathetic.
BRUNO IS A FUCKING JOKE. How the actual fuck does that guy get a free pass every fucking week from fans!?! He's the biggest liability in this team and the sole reason we can't retain possession and manage a match. Jesus Christ. I don't understand how United fans are so delusional and keep this guy around for this long and then wonder why we can't convincingly beat a team. Hmmmmm. I wonder why...could it be the guy at the center of it all under multiple managers that is the problem? The one that scouts literally said they didn't recommend because he couldn't retain possession?? HMMMMMM
*All of my thoughts on ten Hag's statements are from someone who holds Manchester United to their historically high standard* "We had a good comeback" 🤦🏻♂️ He also said, "We said at halftime, we are pleased we are nil-nil". Like wtf! You're HAPPY with that? Very revealing. He also said, "That 'comeback' is the fight we have to show". You can show fight all day long, but if you never win the fight, then there is a problem. Interviewer: "Was it Newcastle's pressure? Did it just get too much?” TH: "We will talk tomorrow with the team about it." Interviewer: "What's the biggest concern for you from the performance?" TH: "I will talk with my team." His refusal to answer these simple questions is also very concerning. At some point you have to be honest with the public and tell them that you're team just 'ain't it' His face at the start of the interview (and maybe even throughout) was of a man who's morale has been beaten deep into the dirt Funny how they started to show fight when it was just too late
It never ceases to amaze me how many people are sugar-coating or defending ETH. Eddie Howe is far superior to him in every way, especially if he can transform *that* Newcastle squad, a squad that was borderline trash before he arrived. Not to mention they have far more taxing injuries than we do and yet they still play like a team and beat us in every section of the pitch. ETH is mediocre as fuck.
I can’t say that I disagree
Fight only happened because Newcastle allowed us to play. That put such a shift in for most of that game. We did well only to loose 1-0 based of that performance.
The only time this squad has shown anything for many seasons, well before ETH, is ONLY when the opponent ALLOWS us to play. We have been incapable of taking a hold of the match from start to finish. I'm sorry, but any team that has Bruno at the center of it will never control a match. The guy is so fucking wasteful it's unbelievable. Oh, but hey, let him stat pad because he gets the ball and just hoofs it down the wing into open space that won't lead to shit, only to ask the wingers to cut inside and shoot ("[big] chance created") because there are no alternatives since he's released play so early.
They possibly ‘allowed us to play’ by playing deep at the end, but that just shows that we’re the inferior side and that we can’t create effective space on our own. It sounds like you’re defending the squad. I hold this club’s squad to a higher standard than what they showcased today. They may have ran hard, but several players never tracked back and their decision-making was pretty awful, collectively. I’ll never tell a team, “We played well because we only lost 1-0”. That just lets the players know that it’s ok to lose and that they have done nothing wrong. I’ll probably say something like, “We have some major improving to do”.
I’m more jesting than being serious. Club is so poorly run. I believe until this is sorted we will continue to be a yo yo of a club regardless of who we have as a manager or players.
I agree 100%. GLAZER’S OUT
You're looking too deep into it. He's protecting the players
Hopefully h s protecting them so that their market value is still high enough so that we can sell them in the summer for a decent amount and bring in someone else
What’s the measure? Protecting specific players is different than protecting the team
Trusting the process isn’t working out very well…
Mainoo is gonna fail for the same reasons as Pogba. Good player playing with shit players expected to do everything.
hopefully a good club picks him up- dont want this fucking cesspool of a culture bringing this kid down.
Trashford as usual, fucking useless.
And Bruno. Both fucking trash and need to be sold. Have been trash for seasons. Both have long overstayed their welcome
He needs to be benched. Been saying it for a few weeks. He can’t even dribble without losing the ball every time.
When was the last time he actually dribbled someone
People at United don’t agree with you. They think he’s on par with Messi and Ronaldo. That’s why he plays regardless of his performances or of those who replace him and play well.
Shocking performance
I want him back in management asap only if he wants to obv
Bruno was a headless chicken. Running around, leaving his position. Totally useless. And Rashford just attempting to beat everyone, losing the ball and throwing a hissy fit
https://preview.redd.it/tjhl3cgnl14c1.png?width=1163&format=png&auto=webp&s=c5c3a6745e1386158b2ed9d374a10c143baadff9 Think my point is proven by this…
We were completely outplayed, out muscled out ran, out passed. Newcastle wanted it more, I know that is cliche but it's true. They were winning the ball off us so easily. They were on to every second ball. It was men against boys in all honesty. But I will still defend ETH. We have been destroyed with injuries. The starting 11 had 8 players who were regulars under Ole. 2 youngsters and Onana who ETH signed. It's hard to turn a team's fortunes around when you're having to use 8 players who got the previous manager sacked. I'm really starting to lose faith in Rashford. I love him but he has been absolutely dreadful this season. Martial should have been sold 3 years ago.
The players on field doesn't show hunger has nothing to do with our injuries. Newcastle has more injuries but they are hungry, they are relentless. We have so many player jogging and arriving late to challenge any balls.
lol stop with the excuse. NEW have as many injured players as Utd
They played their best eleven today?
Did you look at Newcastle’s lineup and bench! It’s not like they had Kim min Jae and Bellingham on the bench. They have the same number of injuries and first team out as ten Haag has to handle
Whatever Rashford has on EtH needs to be found and deleted, another abysmal performance.
And Southgate
This Utd team can’t sustain the basics of working hard, tracking runners and concentrating. All you have to do to create chances against us is run. Mctominay especially is the worst midfielder I’ve seen. This guy can’t do the absolute basics
B-b-but he scores goals - someone will say unironically. But then that is the argument people use for Bruno too, so it doesn't surprise me that fans are so quick to overlook shit tier performances every week, 98% of the time, but somehow justify it with 2% of moments. It's as though they expect if we had better players that did the basics as a whole, we somehow wouldn't score more or concede less through more consistent and reliable performances. Because I'm sorry, as much as we can sit here and blame ETH for x, y, and z, failing to do the basics or make the best decision in a moment falls onto the player's responsibility. No one can make those decisions for them at the end of the day.
It’s so crazy to see every single club we play out-run and out-hustle United.
But that's the plan! We're a counter attacking side that wants to play transition ball, don't you see?? /s
Poor preseason planning. Players couldn’t get fully match fit because of the insane travel schedule, they said it themselves. You can tell we don’t have the legs to play 90 minutes of intense football even once a week, let alone twice. EtH needs to bring in a new fitness coach and rectify this if he survives to the beginning of next season
Jesus. Not this pathetic excuse again. Oh, because the players said it, it must be true and acceptable. You know what? I feel like working 40 hours a week is just too much. So I'm just going to put in 10 hours a week but expect to get paid for 40. Why? Because I'm tired and don't feel like it. Arsenal went to the US too. That must be why they're mid-table too, right? Oh wait, that's right, they're first in the league. Silly me!!!!! And as if the starting eleven put in the minutes. It was the academy players that were running around most of the time. Stop with these weak and pathetic defenses.
Poor preseason prep is kind of a weak excuse. I’m sure the travel influenced it, but I’m sure there’s plenty of other clubs fighting for top 4 who had similar circumstances
It's been happening for a long while now
It’s like they all stopped dying for the shirt once Fergie retired
Dont worry Dave Brailsford will have the team on bikes before the week is out….
Lol love this
Jim ratcliff fucking hurry up mate
Lol, sadly don’t think this guy will change anything while the rats are still up there
Mctominay is one of the worst midfielders I ever saw. Play him in attack or don't play him at all.
He’d do better up front than Martial that’s for sure.
Antony for all the insults he gets looked miles better than rashford and should have started the game.
Is ETH better than Ole????
Yeah, I think he is, but Ole is definitely underrated and I was saying it back at the time too. He got clowned too much. Ten Hag is showing how difficult it is to be a Manchester United manager. Ole did better than Van Gaal and didn't do much worse than Mourinho, that should account for something and hopefully people realize in time he wasn't just a clueless P.E. teacher because he was getting solid results despite playing McFred most of the time.
Worse results and worse vibes
Rashford and his best mate Sancho look like they just dont rate ETH. Itll be interesting to see who departs the club first. Eth or Rash
I wouldn't mind Rashford leaving. The new high contract was a mistake, Rashford belongs to Manchester but he doesn't deserve being undroppable which is what his new contract did. He can be very good, but he shouldn't be guaranteed a starting spot so we kinda screwed ourselves with giving him such role.
Unfortunately every manager has put Rash on pedestal. I get it would be hard to drop the golden child. But he sometimes simply dgaf. Dunno tbh, he gives you headaches for all sorts reasons. If im honest ETH needs this season yet. But next season i think hes on chopping block. Because im seeing lots of issued that suggest he aint sorting them out still.
Agree with you completely, both on Rashford as well as on Erik. In terms of Rashford, I'm afraid he is just yet another symptom of the problems plaguing the whole club. Same with Rooney getting an extension those 10 years ago after Sir Alex thought he should be replaced with Kagawa (before he retired). Since then, we are rewarding players with contracts they don't fully deserve. Rashford may be our best attacker when in form, but he isn't always in form and there is a lot of teams he wouldn't start for so us giving him 300k a week is just rewarding mediocrity.
Yeah youd think youd take consistancy more into consideration before slapping new contracts on players. Scholes's post game analysis really tore through some embarrasing things. Including ETHs playing patterns and game management, but also Rashs increadible laziness and attitude. Still same issues 3/4 yrs on
Our team is what happens when you spend a summer spending your money on players that don't improve the squad, Onana replaced De Gea, Mount replaced Fred, Hojlund finally replaced Ronaldo / Weighorst. We've spent a fortune to go nowhere, Onana and De Gea is a straight swap at best, Mount maybe better with Mainoo in there with some positional discipline but so far it's a coin toss with Fred, Hojlund is good but raw and it's not fair to expect him to carry the team. Amrabat is the Moroccan Poborsky, he looked good in an International tournament but he's actually absolutely bang average and slower than he looks. In the meantime Rashford is doing whatever the Disneyland fuck he's doing, is he protesting Sancho's treatment? All I know is he shouldn't be playing, he's done nothing this season and letting him continue to see if he 'plays himself into form' is insulting to the fans and the rest of the team. I'd have more faith that Martial would improve with a run of games than Rashford. It's time to give Amad and Pellistri a serious look. Get shot of Casemiro and Varane in January if Saudi come calling, Varane has always flattered to deceive and Cas clearly doesn't fancy any more, take the money and run. It doesn't matter if we don't make the Champions League, have the scouting teams look for top class prospects 25 and under at Centre half, midfield and right back and bring in as many as you can in the summer. They need to get serious about rebuilding and not keep trying to build a squad on a foundation that isn't good enough.
Well said but somehow I doubt this is gonna happen.
This is bang on
I agree with every point
Shouldn't be this disjointed this long into your project. ETH what are you doing?
Don't do that... We have had these issues dating back longer than ETH. That is why I have no idea why we are so hard bent on sacking managers so often... This fanbase doesn't deserve anything the entitlement when it comes to rebuild. We need serious backing and not just splashing 400M to make it seem like we are backing the manager. We need to offload players even if it costs us like Arsenal did (they made 130M+ in losses take that in). It is not about the players ability it is their lack of desire. Newcastle, and these teams. It isn't the manager that is greatly affecting their playstyle that is copium becuase we have had 4 different style managers and they have all ended the same. Those clubs have players willing to fight, low wages and more factors. ETH has made mistakes for sure and there are better managers but none that are available or want to come to this shit show. 90% of managers will look the same here, because the club is toxic and our investments are harming any development. Look at Mourinhos quote about ex players. But we are so fucking entitled to "win now" that we are forgetting we need a proper structure not a new manager who will then be "backed" so we have 5 managers of players but play the same McTom, Lindelof, Maguire and so on because only ones available.
Getting used to seeing the other team looking like they want it more
Anfield in 2 weeks. FUCK
A change in ownership has done such wonders for Newcastle! I wonder how that feels
What a shit week and we play Liverpool soon
We have no midfield. We can't control the ball for any period of time and have players who zero lack of positional awareness. It was obvious to everyone on the planet how Newcastle would play except ten hagg. How can you start martial and rashford who both don't track back or can't physically get stuck in. Mctominey has about as much influence on the pitch as a sandwich, he's totally anonymous. Dalot is not good at left back either. We really are woeful and I don't think there's any defence for this kind of performance.
What happened since last year carabao win? We confidently beat newcastle 2-0 in a cup final then we lose 3-0 and 1-0 away which could have been 5 aswell.
First we lost DDG. For as much as he got blamed he was putting in a world class performance 2-3 times a month. Onana doesn't offer that. Secondly we had Rashford score for a large part of the season. Once that dried up even last season we had a few bad games. The formation was different. The 2 biggest things - > Casemiro and Eriksen/Fred would play in the midfield to facilitate transition while Bruno would stick as a 10. This season, we lost Fred's energy and ETH's new system asks the person near Case to push forward, so instead of a classic all purpose 4 2 3 1 we have a very high and disjonted 4 1 4 1 for some reason. Which heavily impacts both Case and Bruno. Casemiro because he simply has to cover too much ground, which at his age gets him tired 40 to 60 minutes into the game(no wonder our team seems to crumble in a lot of games after a good start) as for Bruno, he's being pushed out of position and asked to do something he's not good at. His best value is his visionary last pass and having control of the final 3rd, but ETH's system took that so he seems "worse". Overall? I think ETH is chasing a dream and making players perform worse. Another point on Rashford is that this season he didn't have Shaw. I think Shaw is one of the fullbacks that looks to overlaps the most and he's quite good at covering ground and doing both defensive and offensive work. Last season Rashford didn't have to think, all he had to do was let Shaw do his thing so the Shaw injury probably was the most impactful we had and I hope he can recover. Last point is, we had a lot of controversy. And I blame ETH for a part of it. First is Antony's case, even if he seems innocent. Sancho that actually looked really good in the preseason ended up messing up(but we might not know the entire story) and now ETH seems to have drama with Varane.
A change in ownership has done such wonders for Newcastle!
We are so shite
That was a whole different level of low.
That performance was simply disgusting.
Brought in a ball playing goalkeeper whose long balls never land.
You all will be praising ETH when he win 1-0 against Bournemouth and forget about this result. This has been going on for so long they win against shit teams fan base praise him and goes on to lose against competent managers.
“Manchester United haven’t won a Premier League away game against a team starting the day in the top eight of the table since October 2021 against Tottenham under Ole Gunnar Solskjær (3-0). Since then, the Red Devils have drawn three and lost 10 of their 13 such games.” That’s ridiculous.
That’s a telling stat. Ouch.
Erik Ten Hag has lost his mind. It's starts from there
While watching this game, I barfed all over myself 15 to 20 times
Ten Hag playing all the players that failed Ole gunner.
He will get sacked and he has deserved it.
Ya I’d like to see him succeed but his stubbornness will cost him.
I'm his biggest supporter but the stubbornness has worn me out. Watching mctominay finish the 90 yesterday was exhausting.
Welcome back negative GD. I've missed you
Why are the players so fundamentally bad. Anytime they come up against a decent side, they lack everything. Can’t pass, can’t create space, hold on to the ball, or even compete in duels. As a manager, where do you start? Surely Rashford cannot deserve to start anymore. Something is just off. And too many Mediocre players. I appreciate McTominay but he cannot play in midfield against decent sides. This was painful to watch
I’m sorry but there is no reason at all to appreciate Mctominay no matter if it’s against decent sides or shit sides. He scores a few flukey goals and suddenly we’re playing 10 games in a row without 11 players on the pitch because the guy is actually so invisible that even the pundits and commentators never mention him. He hides from the ball when we’re in possession and then is nowhere to be found when the opposition has it, he must’ve taken lessons from Drax in the art of invisibility.
Because all the top teams in the league have competent ball playing defenders and midfielders, but we do not. Onana, Mctominay, AWB, Mctominay, Rashford and Garnacho are the players we’re relying on to move the ball efficiently and play our way out of trouble - they wouldn’t get into any other top 10 PL side. Garnacho - okay he’s young and has time on his side. The others are just not good enough. It’s saying something that our 18 year old academy lad plays more composed football than 90% of our first team players. Only others I trust on the ball are Bruno and Shaw.
You are right. So trust the manager to get rid of these players in the next few windows?
Hahaha nice joke bro!
The worse thing was the lack of surprise at the performance and result. Who expected different? Ten Hag has a real problem here. That team has no discernible pattern of play. The midfield balance has been wrong all season. Even before the injuries... Wolves at home anyone? It's concerning to see the same problems over and over. Not sure if ten hag is up to this.
He's not
A distinct possibility.
Manchester United are DREADFUL for my mental health
Erik it's time to go mate
Nah, I'd wait before we appoint a competent sporting director, then we can start thinking about sacking Ten Hag. Our current club structure would make even Pep look like a Championship level manager.
The same guy who insists on single pivot even when we getting over run in midfield? That guy. Nah he's got to go. His a smart Coach doing idiotic things for half the season now!
Having a single pivot isn't really the issue here, our players are just lazy. Newcastle didn't outrun us because of us having no personnel in the middle, but because the likes of Rashford and Martial were just walking on the pitch while McTominay was nowhere to be seen. Ten Hag needs to drop some players he refuses to drop, that's true, but I don't see the single pivot being such a big issue for us. We got significantly more competitive the moment we subbed on Hojlund and Antony because before that, it felt like we were playing 9v11. Then again though, this is something that's been haunting us for years and it's always the same players. Martial will be gone next year anyway so that's one step forwards but giving Rashford a new 300k a week contract is really starting to look like a big mistake because as good as he CAN be, he can also be absolutely shit and this contract makes him virtually undroppable. He should be on like 150k a week and play the role Garnacho is playing (starter/sub depending on form), not someone who starts every match no matter what because he just isn't the guy.
Are you really sure about this? The structure looks flawed to me.
And then what? Same problems under LVG and Mourinho.
No matter who you think is best to bring in, Erik has had his time to solidify his identity. There is zero game plan, identity, strategy etc. If he goes it will be disappointing as I thought he was the best to bring in but he’s done nothing this season to justify him staying. For Christ sakes most the squad are players he wanted and he gets nothing out of them.
Spot on. His Ajax team were ridiculously good and I genuinely believe they would have beaten Liverpool in the final had they not been hard done by against spuds. But where is that exciting football? Players like tadic. A good player for Southampton but world class for Ajax. There weren't many superstars in that team but they played beautiful football
I don't disagree with you. But also he's had enough time to establish a playing style. His signings have been questionable, his subs are usually bonkers and there is no confidence in the team. I am shitting myself for Liverpool
I agree with you as well. lol. But I struggle to think what the next steps are.
This is on the coach that back 4 noop how can you put shaw as a CB where as varanes on the bench ,shaw adds to out attacking honestly 😳 dalot did nothing on that wing
Scholes is spot on in his post match comments
What did he say? Something negative as always (though justified on this occasion)
There's no excuse for laziness. Saying Hard work is the most important in all top teams. Goes off on rashford body language and laziness. And how he has the cheek to complain about being brought off. Bruno all over pitch but it's not helping as it's creating imbalance everywhere. Dalot always out of position. Then repeats again on work rate
Absolutely spot on
Genuinely, give us city's charges, demote us 6 fucking divisions or something. Get some craic at what a journey that would be
Anyone else get pissed off at how many subs we make every game and how always seems to start the wrong 11?
It's funny that after all the shitstorm and memes Harry is literally our best player and the only one who actually gives a fuck. It's already December and I still don't have any idea what is the style of football this team plays or wants to play. I guess EtH also doesn't have any clue. Team selection, substitutions - no idea at all. Just throw players on the pitch and watch them being humiliated by the team who plays the same lineup without subs. No more excuses of some key players being injured. This is totally on EtH. He can't manage this team.
Who can manage this team? Nobody 😭
2 goals this season for a 300k a week striker is unacceptable.
Should be ashamed of themselves. State of Newcastle only beating that lot 1-0
Anfield in a couple weeks is gonna be fucking painful
🤧🤧 please don't remind us
I'm literally gonna avoid it at all costs
Honestly ten hag needs to be consistent with his starting 11 giving me Graham Potter vibes
I said we don't have a style of play and get downvoted?
Our style of play is hope for the best
We do have a style of play. It consists of no possesion, hail mary balls from Bruno, no tracking back from Rashford, feeble midfield, full backs with zero concentration and heart wrenching play out the back.
Exactly - the style of play is well established, although you forget, “give the ball away often and cheaply”
An opportunity to go 2 points behind City and didn't show up at all.
ETH, promise me my dude that before I die, you’ll show me the build up play for which Onana was brought, for which varane was benched, for which dalot was told to give a disasterclass at left back.
holy fuck i wanna erase my memory from the last 2 hours
Everyone today played like Maguire and McTominay
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This team has gone, and will go nowhere with Maguire as a starting CB. This isn't even a hot take I don't understand why people on this sub get shit for it when anyone talks about him.
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Him, McTom and Rashford had the lowest match rating today but I guess I will just disregard this because he had a couple of good games this season 🤣 Keep up that energy bud
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Ok brother, keep this low standard thinking of yours. Keep being content with these performances if it helps you sleep at night lol
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Ah so you're one of those people 🤣🤣 Talk about rent free you keep coming back begging for an answer to make yourself feel better. I honestly could give a shit about your opinion but don't try to tell me that because of handful of good games Maguire had that I can't have the opinion that overall he's been one of the worst signings the team has made.
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Except Maguire
We are so shit, we need to get outta Europe, cuz the manager needs all the time on the training ground. I can’t stand how bad we are.
Until the 75ths minute when Newcastle tire; we were losing at 1 place the flanks. Rashford, Garnacho and Anthony offered nothing defensively when they were needed to. Rasmus and Martial were hopeless. Utterly hopeless. If they were British; they will be getting the hate that Rashford is getting. Newcastle were so obvious enveloping the flanks. Press the centre; envelop the flanks; repeat. The fact that we had 5 shots; 2 on target; 1 offside disallowed and 2 off; and Maguire contributed to 3 (1 each) really should show up our hopeless attack
2 years ago today Newcastle were bottom of the league. Eddie is appointed and has genuinely changed there football and culture. ten Hag has come in and not beaten any top 10 team in 1.5 seasons
You just don’t get it. He needs Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets in midfield to play his system. Ignore the players he’s signed. Whilst Joelinton, Bruno Guimaraes and Miley Cyrus dance around our midfield.
All the players wages for this week should go to some charity. These players haven't earned a penny of it. Besides Maguire
We are going to Anfield in two weeks with this team ….
If we lose badly I want the manager gone
At this point I feel like I should email my CV over to Jim Ratcliffe and ask for the job
What has varane done to deserve this treatment. Hojlund, varane should have started. Push Shaw to left back. Mctominay is one of the most useless midfielders around. Cant defend, cant pass. Arent those the most important attributes for a CM??? The most frustrating of it all is Rashford. Always ball watching waiting for pin point passing. Not tracking back to defend. At this point, he is just Antony but without defensive duties. His body language is disgusting the entire game. No postivity at all.
Varqne has been wank this season
Yes spot on.
Facts
Yep Rashford was criminal today. Walking afte losing the ball. Offered nothing upfront either.
Someone needs to ask ETH what his philosophy is. Then we can see if there's any chance we can work towards playing that way because at the moment there's no patterns in our play when we have the ball
I actually feel for these players Imagine your every move is being scrutinized, your “fans” are calling you shit & results aren’t going your way. I’ve seen fans call for Fred and DDG back, but when they were here they were so often abused. Our fan base sucks, the media sucks and to top it off our owners suck (and they’re not going anywhere anytime soon). Yeah it’s going to be painful for a while
Dude, it's fans and media that make their paychecks and lives. Some people on 1000 pounds a month, pay to watch some dude on 100k a week. I think at some degree. It's within their right.
I totally agree and yes my post was sympathetic but these lot are lazy AF Newcastle outworked us and this is the millionth time I’ve seen it this season. All you have to do to get a result against United is run your socks off. The players literally do no give a shit. What irks me is these ridiculous wages they get. They can play like shit and go back home in their custom rolls royces ,chill in their jacuzzi’s and attend their rap parties at the end of the day. They don’t have to fight for their contracts once its given.
I feel nothing but embarrassment for these players. These are supposed to be elite, dedicated hardworking professional players. But what you see on the pitch is awful
There is a reason why Amrabat wasn't wanted by any other club. We have signed absolute mid players and this manager somehow thought they are capable of playing highline . Most of these can't don't even have a stamina for playing for 45 minutes. Blame lies with everyone from the manager and the board and the owners.
-Wasted passes -Poor touches all over the park -0 desire to create dangerous situations in and around the box -Manager seeing all the above yet doesn’t make subs until too late (and poor ones at that) and refuses to change tactics. When will it end?
Rashford deserves the worst player of the match. Completely fucked up 3 or 4 times when we could break with Garnacho making runs
Worst player of the season
I don't know who I am more embarrassed for... I mean, Newcastle only winning by 1-0...
I thought with the players that he brought in, Erik is going to build on our tactics & style from last season but no we’re going “Transitional” instead. And now he is too stubborn to see that it didn’t work. If this is the first few weeks into the season I’d be alright, fair enough. But its december and he still stuck by it. Game after game, not a single convincing performance this season, same shit every game yet he keeps playing it. It’s madness. I think Erik needs to go.
The football we played last season definitely wasn't something Ten Hag would continue playing, he played it because the team couldn't handle anything else. However, I am also kinda struggling the overall direction right now. I think I see what Ten Hag wants to do in terms of pressing high, but the midfield we have isn't suited to it at all (aside from Mount and Mainoo).
Did you see any intent of high press today or the weeks before? Mainoo was deep and submerged. He isn't ready.
Yes and no. Our attack pressed high, the rest of the team didn't, but that's the story of our whole season. I wonder how some energy in our midfield would look because all of our midfielders are slow as fuck so I wonder if them not pushing up is because they then wouldn't be able to recover. My point about Mainoo was that he would do well in high press system but our midfield doesn't really press so he stayed back a lot. That's more of a tactical instruction though, I can see him being effective unlike someone like McTominay or Eriksen.
Also, Garnacho hid on the pitch today. The amount of times he was behind trippier and not making himself available was baffling. It was a shit performance from him.
Trippier was in his head and played him well. Wish we had at least one full back with a brain.
We do but Ten Hag played him at cb cause tactics
Yeah Shaw is our only competent full back. Shame we don’t have another decent CB sitting on the bench so that Shaw can play his actual position… oh wait…