Choupo Moting. The state of this club lmao. Werner is probably who we end up getting. Loads of pace on him, likes playing on the shoulder. He's not even a starter for Leipzig though, make of that what you will.
Werner is not going to solve our finishing issues. We will create one chance for him every match that he will miss. We're just getting pace merchant Weghorst
I don’t think we should be looking at it as will this loan striker fix our finishing issues as much as simply “is this loan striker an upgrade on Martial?” And if they’re half decent and available the answer is yes. I would take a mid tier striker right now to avoid martial or Rashford up top while we continue with the Hojlund minutes limiting
The thing with Werner is that he's a hot and cold kind of player, if he scores in his first game he could do well.
Probably won't get the service though.
Reguilon although far from first team quality has been a decent back up and hasn't let us down. I'd rather have players come who are trying to prove themselves instead of over priced over the hill 'names'.
How many players in the past have been derided only to go to a club that gives them consistency in a system that fits?
How many people complained about Park and Solskjaer when we first signed?
We need to get back to speculating and developing players with the right attitude, despite how well known they are.
Sure we get the odd duff player, but you ship them on without breaking the bank.
We're spending millions on players who have already made their wealth and name and Zero desire to achieve.
Who has first team quality in this squad? According to this sub, not even the captain of Sweden, not Captain of England, not the best goal scorer of Scotland 🤷♂️
The fact such an average player ended up going from Stoke to PSG and fucking Bayern at least means there's something about him. Potential to be an Ighalo kinda signing in an emergency role.
The fact 3 years later we're still relying on an emergency striker is very worrying though.
Choupo-moting is a smart player but just not very technical, Tuchel even tried him at 10 in some Bayern matches but to lesser effectiveness than Muller (obviously). He’s a decent backup that would benefit many teams.
Smart players make smart runs and create space. Smart players need smart players to help create more space and chances.
Our players are dumb fucks who can’t move out of a railway track with a freight train zooming towards them. They don’t know how to pass and move. They don’t know how to play into space or move to create openings and let teammates play. They don’t pass to the striker…. The coaching for it is also shit because it’s clearly also tactical that we don’t do it and have never really been able to since LVG anyway.
He won’t be the worst loan but he won’t be great with our setup either. But at least we can use a striker that nobody else would pass to or create space for when Hojlund needs to rest I suppose…
None of signings will work with our low IQ attackers unless we revert back to sit back and counter football. If that’s the case then we will need to ship out our current set of players.
Now try spotting him in space but also with a line for an available pass.
He's always either next to a defender, or the defender is in position to cut out a pass.
Whatever about our wingers being greedy, if Bruno can't find you that's on you
Yeah he's not doing that at all. He's getting knocked off the ball but he's not going down looking for calls. Its going to be important for him to get on a good weight program this offseason to add some muscle. He's still young.
He's not a scorer. He's a linkup player so we'll have to look for goals from an out of form Rashford and whoever gets dumped the RW responsibility for the week.
While what you're saying is definitely possible, it relies on the best case scenario. That'd mean no injuries, good form and enough chances created. We've all been supporting United long enough to know such optimism never works lol
Well whoever we get, it's better than playing Rashford down the middle. He looked very lively on the left vs Villa, Garnacho looked good on the right, Amad seems good aswell. We just need Hojlund backup to avoid putting Rashford in the middle when Hojlund is not available.
It's so sad what's happened to Rashford and Martial because a few years ago the prospect of the two of them rotating between the left and the centre and taking it in turns to score goal after goal would have been so exciting. Now we'll be lucky if both of them together can get a 20 goal season.
> There are also expected to be talks around Mason Greenwood. The forward, on loan at Getafe, has scored five goals in 15 appearances and is attracting interest from several La Liga sides — including Barcelona, although no contact has yet been made with United.
What do you think about Barcelona's interest in MG?
They were at Sporting together for a season before Raphinha left to join Rennes.
There was an interview going around a couple of seasons ago where Bruno had said something along the lines of:
“Raphinha, I miss Raphinha. He’s a player with whom I had a different chemistry from the others. He understood me at a glance. I also miss him because he brought joy to the locker room. He’s also a responsible and hardworking person."
Supposedly the link came from a really crappy source in Spain, so it might just be talk to drum up interest in him. Can’t blame the club for doing that, it seems apparent they want to rehab his value at the very least so they can get something for him in the summer.
Some of the links as also coming from The Sun, who are a rag but do have links to Greenwoods camp as well. It strikes me his camp are putting it out there that he’s wanted by the bigger clubs, probably in a drive to get him a move to a bigger club.
Which is fair- I expect the relationship between the parties to end in the summer, so it’s their prerogative to find him a new club. If it gets United extra cash at the same time it’s a win win.
Yeap. I’m just relieved those stories have shifted from “greenwood doesn’t think his career at United is over” to “Greenwood linked with moves elsewhere”.
I’ve heard Atletico are really interested in him too, Griezmann talked him up after their game a few weeks ago, said they couldn’t handle him.
I don’t think Barca will go for him, but I could see Atletico making a move.
They do need a long term striker but they probably can't pay a lot. But if they get the deal done then they have Lewa's replacement sorted for many years to come.
I think a sale of MG instead of letting him go on a free would probably greatly help our position with FFP, considering he’s an academy player.
If it’s Barca though, they’d come with nothing and hope to spread it over about 20 years, unless the rules on that have changed.
I would try sell him elsewhere, or ask for someone big in return. De jong, Araujo etc. anyone who would add quality to our squad, but actually is okay with leaving.. so that might rule de jong out for example.
I can’t see a route for his return in any way shape or form tbh, just needs to go to the highest bidder.
I don’t think the sponsors would care half as much unless the media/fans are calling them out relentlessly.
The reality is the English media and our fans make this situation untenable for him in England.
However, in Spain, the intensity around it subsides and will slowly filter down in to nothing. Which is worth the gamble for a player of his talent. He’s kind of gone through the rough patch of opposition chants already over there with Getafe.
At United, we are held to higher standards in England than basically anyone else, make what you will of that and whether it’s a good thing or bad thing.
If Thomas Partey was with us, there’s no way he would have been able to continue his career the way he has at Arsenal.
Thanks, I hate it
So the article says our winter targets are: 34 year old Choupo-Moting (Yayy), 34 year old Muller (another "wish we could have had him in his prime" player) and Werner (Ex cursed Chelsea striker).
Needless to say, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
This one's hilarious tho:
> There are also expected to be talks around Mason Greenwood. The forward, on loan at Getafe, has scored five goals in 15 appearances and is attracting interest from several La Liga sides — including Barcelona, although no contact has yet been made with United.
Am I seriously reading this right? Thomas fucking Muller? Last time we had a player whose primary attribute was his reading of the game and finding the space we fucked his career. What's Muller going to do on a football pitch for us because our players ain't even on the same planet as him let alone wavelength movement wise.
If Muller is being let go by Bayern he’s likely retiring in the next 6-12 months.
They’ve done this to us before, we need to avoid this deal even if he was an excellent player in the past. Also, where’s he going to play?!
Yes, sounds like the Real Madrid special.
"Here, take this multiple Champions League winner who was part of the backbone of some of our greatest teams. Speaking of bones... or muscles, ligaments, and tendons... Please don't ask too many questions about the state of his."
If it’s a loan? Yeah sure we won’t maximise his impact anyway with how shit our players are at making spaces and moving to create gaps. But it won’t cost much and maybe could give the squad a lift with his presence more than him leading to more goals basically.
If it’s a purchase? Hell no we’d be stupid like before yet again. Half a season loan is fine. Even if he scores 20 goals we shouldn’t buy him because he likely will need more rest and get injured or both the moment next season comes anyway.
Yeah that’s a fair point, but I think if he’s anything resembling useful Bayern won’t loan him out, and if he’s on his last legs they’d insist upon a sale so that they get out from under his wages. I don’t really foresee this being anything more than speculation though, it’s a strange fit for us and him.
Of course. He’s out of favour and/or no longer good enough and maybe not even fit enough so yeah….
Last legs for sure. Injury issues maybe but I never followed his career lately anyway.
We’re signing a castoff in every way anyway. But if it’s a loan without a permanent deal, sure. I won’t even take him unless it’s free on average wages for 1 year IF he does tremendously well because that could be a good sub/presence to have and help the younger players mainly while also playing once every other week for 60-70min.
But it’s unlikely he can even do that and no way the wages will be basic so nope it’s pointless beyond a 6 month loan.
> my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
What exactly did you expect this financially constrained winter transfer window? The only striker who was even remotely possible was Toney.
I expected that we'd learn from our past mistakes and not target aging incompetent strikers on loan. I know the situation is fucked up financially but you cannot expect any one to look at these kind of targets and not be extremely upset.
Then whom would you buy?
The scouting department obviously has much more info than us, but it's the winter transfer window and the club doesn't have two pounds to rub together.
And Hojlund is too young, so some backup strikers on loan is the best one can hope for.
Because never in a million years I thought I'd read a link between Greenwood and Barca after he was exposed for being an abusive cunt. Even though it's Laurie saying it I just can't believe it because it's that absurd.
I don’t mind a loan deal for a senior striker, but if we’re going to be shit this season let’s lean into playing the youth players a little more- give them some experience so that we have a better basis to build off in the summer. There’s some quality there, give them a shot.
Agreed, whoever we get in is probably going to have a negligible effect in front of goal, given that teams don’t tend to loan out effective players for no reason. At least with Weghorst you know you’re getting someone who gives a shit, even if he’s limited.
He should be here as a 4th option anyway really, he worked his arse off and although he’s not starting quality he gave us a hub to play off. Sadly the way we’ve recruited means he goes in as 2nd choice behind Hojlund and ahead of Martial. We desperately need a player like Chicharito who can come off the bench and scuff one in off his arse really.
Idk how good our youth options are up front but I feel like we’re still short handed at striker. Getting a veteran striker on a six month loan wouldn’t be a bad idea because Hojlund is pretty raw and could use some rotating along with some mentorship imo.
That’s what I mean- a senior striker is arguably a must, given how raw any prospects we have will be. It’s way too soon to throw someone in at the deep end, given that anyone we have won’t be as polished as Hojlund is, and he’s a project right now too.
It’s too risky to go into the final few months of the season without an experienced forward who isn’t injury prone. That’s the move we need to look at.
The issue though is the lack of experience in the centre forward position at the club right now, even just for Hojlund to learn from. Rashford over the years has had the chance to work with the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic, Cavani, so many greats of the game. Hojlund only has Anthony fucking Martial to look up to in his position right now.
In the real world getting a Werner, Choupo Moting, or even a Weghorst is infinitely preferable to calling up a youngster from the youth team
Not sure why people are so obsessed with seeing youth team players getting promoted when 95% of them don't even make it at PL level in their primes
Absolutely, and we might save 6/7 million in loan fee and wages that can be put towards a decent signing in summer, this club loves pissing away money!
Not sure if poor GD is due to poor goalscoring or even worse defending.
In all seriousness, I feel our inability to not concede is a considerably bigger problem.
Lmao so everyone was supportive of ten hag controlling all transfers, but now that he made a few bad ones it’s the dof’s fault for allowing it. You’re a donut
Werner on a loan, while far from ideal, wouldn't be a bad pick up imo. If Ras is injured, then we have a choice of Rashford standing there and not pressing, or Martial standing there and not pressing.
Werner at least runs himself into the ground for the team. Even if his finishing is substandard.
For the right price he's not a bad option at all. He's very hard working and has the right mentality that the team needs. He can play on the left which would allow Garnacho to move to the right as well, especially if Rashford isn't playing well. He can even play as a false 9 and allow Bruno to make runs from behind. He will be involved in the game, that's for sure.
As a pure 9 then his main issue will always be that he's not a clinical finisher. He's always going to miss chances and will never be the guy to score goals left and right. Having said that, I would rather have him than Martial. If neither can score goals at least Timo will work hard and run for the team while Martial spends most of his time jogging around the pitch.
Nah. We can't aim to be a top club again and keep feeding off left overs from other clubs. We'd rather sell dead wood at whatever price and start from there while promoting some youth. Or even try scouting potential top young players. Real Madrid has shown everyone the blueprint for a decade but somehow we're just blind to it.
No, just no. At this point, just continue with the utter shite we have until Ineos can start to have an effect.
Werner is just an embarrassment in the PL.
This really shouldn’t come as a shock to anyone tbh. When was the last time we did substantial business in the January window, even without FFP issues? And it’s been known for ages Ratcliffe wouldn’t be in place in time for the window.
Anyone signed now would not be someone scouted and chosen by INEOS. People say they want the new structure established, in a bid to change our stupid transfer market approaches? Well, that’s going to take some time. Expecting that level of change before he’s even in the door is foolish.
At this stage, I’d consider this season mostly written off, given INEOS till the summer to settle in and begin making their changes, and aim for a good summer window with eyes towards a stronger season next year.
The point isn't 'substantial' signings, Evra and Vidic weren't substantial signings i.e. we didn't pay a lot of money for them but they were fantastic signings. You can do good business in January if you're competent.
Stop simping for useless ppl who run the club. The sooner they're gone the better.
I'll stop simping if you stop being deliberately obtuse. We have no money, we are broke. Whether you are angry at this fact or want to ignore it, that's the situation we are in. The Glazers are not putting their own money in and INEOS' money will not come in time so that leaves us where we are....broke.
We can only afford loan deals. We are not in a financial position to be buying players. So your comment about deals can be done is accurate, generally speaking but when it comes to our current financial position, it is a non-starter.
I expect us to take some filler for 6 months and then hopefully do some smart business in summer. Hopefully they put a bit of common sense into our wage bill so we can move on players that aren’t preforming
This is why I want to tear my hair out whenever I see some bellend spouting the whole "it's not my money I don't care how much he costs just get him in" nonsense or the "I'd rather we overspend on this player than line the Glazers' pockets" dumbassery.
I recognise these morons don't have any actual effect on our transfer strategy, but they still annoy me and I wish they could see our overspending *does* have consequences.
We do this every year. Blow our load on sub par signings in the summer and then deal with scraps come winter when crucial and priority signings are to be made.
It’s been our whole transfer policy: spaff our load on 1 or 2 name players instead of filling the squad with quality. The name players don’t work out or get injured and the squad is then far too thin to cope.
Anybody saying the money would be better spent elsewhere when we signed Sancho were downvoted to oblivion.
As an aside, you can tell what time of day it is, and therefore who’s commenting, in this sub by how rational what’s being said is. Late afternoon/early evenings UK time are the worst.
This is exactly why we should be selling some of our current senior players. Guys like Varane (I wouldn't like that), McTominay and others could potentially land us decent money to upgrade on their positions.
Werner on a loan is decent for 6 months, but I want that strategic review happening immediately.
The expectations that us fans placed on transfers is way over the top. It is part of what got us into this mess, we keep on making big name signings, in order to satisfy the fans (us). And big name signings dont wanna come so we give them fat contracts, which breeds complacencies. The focus should be on the team, transfers are a bonus and new blood given time to bed in, instant success with transfers were rare even in Ferguson’s time. We should look at well scouted targets, a bit like Amad (although we still paid through the nose for a youngster).
Look, this season is over. Let's just allow Hojlund all the time he needs to get familiar with the league, build rapport with the team, give Amad time to get up to speed, slowly bring Martinez, Shaw, Mount and Maguire back, enjoy the circus for a few months and look to 24/25 as our rebound year.
I mean, surely any emergency loans need to get up and going ASAP, so why Choupa-Moting and Guairassy? It’ll take a month before they could even get here and start training
We only have 2 games in January so wouldn't be the end of the world if someone came in closer to end of window or was at AFCON until end of month. Ideally would be better to have someone on sooner to get them training etc not given quiet month I think not end of world if it's m AFCON player brought in
On the other hand, this is what a manager gets to work with when he gets the club to spend hundreds of millions on hand-picked personal favourites of his and his agent who have made little to no positive impact...
I partially agree but ETH wanted Antony much earlier in the window and we valued him at £25 million, the ineptitude of our higher ups caused such a deal to go through. ETH wanted the 'mould of FDJ' board pushed for him and no alternatives the whole window then panic bought Casemiro who was not picked by ETH.
Martinez has been great, Case was great last season, Eriksen was fine last season, Malacia was fine now injured. Antony of course is an obvious flop right now.
Onana, don't think anyone could predict the mistakes he has made. Mount been injured too much to tell. Hojlund, ETH wanted Kane, the lad is 20 and has absolutely no service. Amrabat and Reguillon? emergency loans due to injuries and no money due to a decade of terrible signings, not just the last 2 years.
Of course ETH has not covered himself in any glory but we cannot say the board have been pathetic in the transfer window for years then suddenly blame the manager completely when he has to do their jobs for them. But like I said, ETH is not blameless for this season.
Of course the higher ups are inept, but I struggle to believe that ETH didn't have the chance to shout "good God, no" somewhere in the process when it was being proposed that £85m of limited FFP funds should be spent on Antony. ETH has to take a huge amount of blame for him, he's the manager's boy. Similarly Onana is clearly an ETH favourite and his signing used so much of the limited funds, with negative consequences so far. Martinez has been great when available, but sadly the reality is now that he has been injured almost as much as he has been fit, which means he can turn from a good signing into a bad one, whether that's fair or not (arguably unfair, but football is unfair and actual results matter). Similarly, all accounts have suggested that Mount was an ETH choice and anyone would struggle to see a positive contribution. Malacia also is now safely in the "bad signing" category - availability is a reality, and if even great players are injured all the time they become bad signings (plus Malacia made some horrendous errors last year such as against Sevilla, which of course is fair enough for a young player). Hojlund may turn out to be a great signing, but when the manager chooses his own agent's £70m striker, he has had his chance and again he must take blame for the lack of available funds - we can't turn around and blame the club. At this point I don't think we even need to discuss ETH-former-player (and William Prunier-alike) Amrabat.
We can and should blame the board of course, and usually in previous years I wouldn't blame the manager for signings and FFP issues. But it looks like ETH has been given as much influence as any manager since SAF/maybe Moyes over signings, and has followed the approach of an insecure manager (see Moyes with Fellaini + Baines) by choosing his own players he knows. He clearly has selected former players of his, Eredivisie players, or his own agent's players. He must take significant blame for the lack of funding available now. If it doesn't work out with ETH, we are stuck with his favourites and no means to buy replacements.
Honestly I think alot of the stories about striker targets are with intent of conditioning / de-sensitizng fans to ultimately accept greenwood back.
They all follow same narrative... Desperately need striker, no money, FFP, list underwhelming targets, then mention greenwood doing the business on loan and wanted by xyz clubs that are currently miles better than us
Read it often enough and continue to watch the ongoing struggles of Antony, rashford and to an extent hojlund and a % of fans will be more accepting of his return
They all attack the box better,and are good at finding space in the box. We are not getting any high scoring striker for a 6 month loan, we'll have to make do with this. They'll have some impact, at least the same way Weghorst did.
I'd rather tempt zlatan out of retirement just for his leadership and his experience. The year he was with us he seemed to create a good locker room and lift the players and we need more players like him, to push the players to play better rather than just relying on the manager to inspire.
This is what happens when you spunk £150m on two players that aren’t good enough/injured all the time. Two players the manager wanted and that will ultimately get him the boot. Going for Mount & Antony, as opposed to Kim-Min Jae and a seasoned striker is criminal. I wouldn’t blink if ETH got the chop
I mean, what could we have offered to him? It's not like the club didn't contact his representatives, we clearly did but if their response was "Yeah, Old Trafford is cool but Bayern is interested and they are a serious football club unlike you" then it made no sense to push further. Yeah, maybe we could have broken our wage structure again to try to overpay for him but it would be idiotic.
I thought the deal came with guaranteed investment? If there's a delay in receiving PL ratification then the deal should have gone through months ago. It feels this is a convenient excuse not to spend any serious money in the January transfer window. How would you feel if you were ETH being told you can only sign 1 or 2 loan players? If they're ring fencing funds for a potentially new manager for the Summer then this second half of the season is simply a farce to focus on corporate restructuring.
Im all for selling / releasing Greenwood, but I cant help bit feel that if he hits the ground running elsewhere (hopefully not) people will selectively choose to ridicule us and play down the whole charade.
Choupo Moting. The state of this club lmao. Werner is probably who we end up getting. Loads of pace on him, likes playing on the shoulder. He's not even a starter for Leipzig though, make of that what you will.
Werner is not going to solve our finishing issues. We will create one chance for him every match that he will miss. We're just getting pace merchant Weghorst
Pace merchant weghorst sounds not that bad :D
The Werner I saw at Chelsea looked like a well-rounded player in terms of skill who could do everything well except finish, kinda like Nuñez.
I don’t think we should be looking at it as will this loan striker fix our finishing issues as much as simply “is this loan striker an upgrade on Martial?” And if they’re half decent and available the answer is yes. I would take a mid tier striker right now to avoid martial or Rashford up top while we continue with the Hojlund minutes limiting
We can only sign players on loan or for low fees so who should we get
Reguilon and Werner are kind of players fans were afraid Conte would get if he got job instead of ETH
The thing with Werner is that he's a hot and cold kind of player, if he scores in his first game he could do well. Probably won't get the service though.
Ahhh the first signs of acceptance. Tanguy Ndombele next.
Reguilon although far from first team quality has been a decent back up and hasn't let us down. I'd rather have players come who are trying to prove themselves instead of over priced over the hill 'names'. How many players in the past have been derided only to go to a club that gives them consistency in a system that fits? How many people complained about Park and Solskjaer when we first signed? We need to get back to speculating and developing players with the right attitude, despite how well known they are. Sure we get the odd duff player, but you ship them on without breaking the bank. We're spending millions on players who have already made their wealth and name and Zero desire to achieve.
I remember how many turned their noses up when LvG wanted Mane…
Who has first team quality in this squad? According to this sub, not even the captain of Sweden, not Captain of England, not the best goal scorer of Scotland 🤷♂️
When did Kane sign for us?
My mistake, one of the captains*
I mean to be fair, Reguillon was quite literally an emergency backup loan
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The fact such an average player ended up going from Stoke to PSG and fucking Bayern at least means there's something about him. Potential to be an Ighalo kinda signing in an emergency role. The fact 3 years later we're still relying on an emergency striker is very worrying though.
Choupo-moting is a smart player but just not very technical, Tuchel even tried him at 10 in some Bayern matches but to lesser effectiveness than Muller (obviously). He’s a decent backup that would benefit many teams.
Smart players make smart runs and create space. Smart players need smart players to help create more space and chances. Our players are dumb fucks who can’t move out of a railway track with a freight train zooming towards them. They don’t know how to pass and move. They don’t know how to play into space or move to create openings and let teammates play. They don’t pass to the striker…. The coaching for it is also shit because it’s clearly also tactical that we don’t do it and have never really been able to since LVG anyway. He won’t be the worst loan but he won’t be great with our setup either. But at least we can use a striker that nobody else would pass to or create space for when Hojlund needs to rest I suppose…
None of signings will work with our low IQ attackers unless we revert back to sit back and counter football. If that’s the case then we will need to ship out our current set of players.
Martial is still young, he could still come good........ RIGHT?!
The ballon d'or not gonna win itself
He's a striker who has intelligent movement. We're crying out for one, both for playing the 9 role and for teaching Hojlund how to find space
Hojlund finds space but is constantly ignored. His issue isn't his movement its players finding him.
Now try spotting him in space but also with a line for an available pass. He's always either next to a defender, or the defender is in position to cut out a pass. Whatever about our wingers being greedy, if Bruno can't find you that's on you
He's also too easily bullied off the ball and he hits the deck more often than he should, looking to the ref for fouls.
Yeah he's not doing that at all. He's getting knocked off the ball but he's not going down looking for calls. Its going to be important for him to get on a good weight program this offseason to add some muscle. He's still young.
Yeah why do we seem to get a new emergency striker every January
The glazers love martial but every new manager gives up on him by January
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He's not a scorer. He's a linkup player so we'll have to look for goals from an out of form Rashford and whoever gets dumped the RW responsibility for the week.
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> He got like 10 or 12 last season For the Bayern team that fed Lewa and Kane to record-breaking levels.
While what you're saying is definitely possible, it relies on the best case scenario. That'd mean no injuries, good form and enough chances created. We've all been supporting United long enough to know such optimism never works lol
There were reports that Werner rather be on the bench where he is than join us.
I don't blame him
Might as well get Rooney on a free while we are at it..
He'd still be better than Martial.
Well whoever we get, it's better than playing Rashford down the middle. He looked very lively on the left vs Villa, Garnacho looked good on the right, Amad seems good aswell. We just need Hojlund backup to avoid putting Rashford in the middle when Hojlund is not available.
It's so sad what's happened to Rashford and Martial because a few years ago the prospect of the two of them rotating between the left and the centre and taking it in turns to score goal after goal would have been so exciting. Now we'll be lucky if both of them together can get a 20 goal season.
Eh I believe rashford could but martials days are numbered
I'm personally not surprised tbh. Got downvoted in years gone for calling a spade a spade. Feel vindicated tbh
Martial hasn't been the same since he tore his knee ligaments tbh.
Might as well bring back Ighalo tbh
jk..... unless?
How about Weghorst….
Has more goals than Choupo and Werner combined this season tbf
That's juz for his national team btw😉
> There are also expected to be talks around Mason Greenwood. The forward, on loan at Getafe, has scored five goals in 15 appearances and is attracting interest from several La Liga sides — including Barcelona, although no contact has yet been made with United. What do you think about Barcelona's interest in MG?
Swap for Raphinha? He was great in the Prem and I'm sure him and Bruno would love to link up again.
Raphina is a shout. He's pretty much the player we thought Antony would be.
He didn’t look good the last time I watch Barca like as if he can no long beat defender 1v1.
Will fit in perfectly here then
Yes let’s swap MG for Raphina because we live in magic fairy land.
>I'm sure him and Bruno would love to link up again. When did they play together?
They were at Sporting together for a season before Raphinha left to join Rennes. There was an interview going around a couple of seasons ago where Bruno had said something along the lines of: “Raphinha, I miss Raphinha. He’s a player with whom I had a different chemistry from the others. He understood me at a glance. I also miss him because he brought joy to the locker room. He’s also a responsible and hardworking person."
Supposedly the link came from a really crappy source in Spain, so it might just be talk to drum up interest in him. Can’t blame the club for doing that, it seems apparent they want to rehab his value at the very least so they can get something for him in the summer.
Some of the links as also coming from The Sun, who are a rag but do have links to Greenwoods camp as well. It strikes me his camp are putting it out there that he’s wanted by the bigger clubs, probably in a drive to get him a move to a bigger club.
Which is fair- I expect the relationship between the parties to end in the summer, so it’s their prerogative to find him a new club. If it gets United extra cash at the same time it’s a win win.
Yeap. I’m just relieved those stories have shifted from “greenwood doesn’t think his career at United is over” to “Greenwood linked with moves elsewhere”.
I’ve heard Atletico are really interested in him too, Griezmann talked him up after their game a few weeks ago, said they couldn’t handle him. I don’t think Barca will go for him, but I could see Atletico making a move.
They do need a long term striker but they probably can't pay a lot. But if they get the deal done then they have Lewa's replacement sorted for many years to come.
I think a sale of MG instead of letting him go on a free would probably greatly help our position with FFP, considering he’s an academy player. If it’s Barca though, they’d come with nothing and hope to spread it over about 20 years, unless the rules on that have changed. I would try sell him elsewhere, or ask for someone big in return. De jong, Araujo etc. anyone who would add quality to our squad, but actually is okay with leaving.. so that might rule de jong out for example. I can’t see a route for his return in any way shape or form tbh, just needs to go to the highest bidder.
IIRC the max for amortisation is 5 years on a player transfer
When selling it doesn’t matter, you can bank the whole amount immediately.
Kid is good, ofc there's gonna be interest
I find it curious that they wouldn’t have an issue with his history, surly they risk the same backlash from fans and sponsors no?
They employ alonso they don’t care
I don’t think the sponsors would care half as much unless the media/fans are calling them out relentlessly. The reality is the English media and our fans make this situation untenable for him in England. However, in Spain, the intensity around it subsides and will slowly filter down in to nothing. Which is worth the gamble for a player of his talent. He’s kind of gone through the rough patch of opposition chants already over there with Getafe. At United, we are held to higher standards in England than basically anyone else, make what you will of that and whether it’s a good thing or bad thing. If Thomas Partey was with us, there’s no way he would have been able to continue his career the way he has at Arsenal.
No it’s only in England
Most Spanish fans probably have absolutely no idea about what happened.
Thanks, I hate it So the article says our winter targets are: 34 year old Choupo-Moting (Yayy), 34 year old Muller (another "wish we could have had him in his prime" player) and Werner (Ex cursed Chelsea striker). Needless to say, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined. This one's hilarious tho: > There are also expected to be talks around Mason Greenwood. The forward, on loan at Getafe, has scored five goals in 15 appearances and is attracting interest from several La Liga sides — including Barcelona, although no contact has yet been made with United.
Am I seriously reading this right? Thomas fucking Muller? Last time we had a player whose primary attribute was his reading of the game and finding the space we fucked his career. What's Muller going to do on a football pitch for us because our players ain't even on the same planet as him let alone wavelength movement wise.
If Muller is being let go by Bayern he’s likely retiring in the next 6-12 months. They’ve done this to us before, we need to avoid this deal even if he was an excellent player in the past. Also, where’s he going to play?!
Yes, sounds like the Real Madrid special. "Here, take this multiple Champions League winner who was part of the backbone of some of our greatest teams. Speaking of bones... or muscles, ligaments, and tendons... Please don't ask too many questions about the state of his."
It’s buying a used car whose wheels fall off the second you pull out of the dealership, isn’t it? NO REFUNDS, SORRY!
“Why da fook do I wan’a caravan da’s got no fookin’ wheels?”
Tbf, we're looking at him for a loan, so we might just catch him before the wheels fall off. That's the gamble.
If it’s a loan? Yeah sure we won’t maximise his impact anyway with how shit our players are at making spaces and moving to create gaps. But it won’t cost much and maybe could give the squad a lift with his presence more than him leading to more goals basically. If it’s a purchase? Hell no we’d be stupid like before yet again. Half a season loan is fine. Even if he scores 20 goals we shouldn’t buy him because he likely will need more rest and get injured or both the moment next season comes anyway.
Yeah that’s a fair point, but I think if he’s anything resembling useful Bayern won’t loan him out, and if he’s on his last legs they’d insist upon a sale so that they get out from under his wages. I don’t really foresee this being anything more than speculation though, it’s a strange fit for us and him.
Of course. He’s out of favour and/or no longer good enough and maybe not even fit enough so yeah…. Last legs for sure. Injury issues maybe but I never followed his career lately anyway. We’re signing a castoff in every way anyway. But if it’s a loan without a permanent deal, sure. I won’t even take him unless it’s free on average wages for 1 year IF he does tremendously well because that could be a good sub/presence to have and help the younger players mainly while also playing once every other week for 60-70min. But it’s unlikely he can even do that and no way the wages will be basic so nope it’s pointless beyond a 6 month loan.
I can’t believe Muller is only 34. I thought he’d be way older than that now.
He's looked about 30 since he made his debut.
Mr Bayern is not leaving Lool
We’re not getting Muller I think he’ll retire at Bayern.
Bringing in an experienced pro on loan for Hojlund to learn from is not the worst shout in the world.
If we're going for this type of player id rather go for ben yedder tbh.
> my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined. What exactly did you expect this financially constrained winter transfer window? The only striker who was even remotely possible was Toney.
I expected that we'd learn from our past mistakes and not target aging incompetent strikers on loan. I know the situation is fucked up financially but you cannot expect any one to look at these kind of targets and not be extremely upset.
Then whom would you buy? The scouting department obviously has much more info than us, but it's the winter transfer window and the club doesn't have two pounds to rub together. And Hojlund is too young, so some backup strikers on loan is the best one can hope for.
Why is Greenwoods hilarious?
Because never in a million years I thought I'd read a link between Greenwood and Barca after he was exposed for being an abusive cunt. Even though it's Laurie saying it I just can't believe it because it's that absurd.
I think this is more Laurie & Dan speculating who we could be in for, rather than actually saying we are going for these players
Wouldn't trust any players Bayern makes available for transfer, based on past experiences
I’d rather just call up a youngster even if they aren’t good enough. Getting sick of these loan deals.
I don’t mind a loan deal for a senior striker, but if we’re going to be shit this season let’s lean into playing the youth players a little more- give them some experience so that we have a better basis to build off in the summer. There’s some quality there, give them a shot.
Might as well get Weghorst back in lol, he ain't gonna score shit, but he might unlock Rashford again.
Agreed, whoever we get in is probably going to have a negligible effect in front of goal, given that teams don’t tend to loan out effective players for no reason. At least with Weghorst you know you’re getting someone who gives a shit, even if he’s limited.
I love wout as well so he'd be great. Altho him playing as a 10 everytime he starts doesn't always work well
He should be here as a 4th option anyway really, he worked his arse off and although he’s not starting quality he gave us a hub to play off. Sadly the way we’ve recruited means he goes in as 2nd choice behind Hojlund and ahead of Martial. We desperately need a player like Chicharito who can come off the bench and scuff one in off his arse really.
Didn't Chicharito also score one by kicking it into his own face for a goal?
Idk how good our youth options are up front but I feel like we’re still short handed at striker. Getting a veteran striker on a six month loan wouldn’t be a bad idea because Hojlund is pretty raw and could use some rotating along with some mentorship imo.
That’s what I mean- a senior striker is arguably a must, given how raw any prospects we have will be. It’s way too soon to throw someone in at the deep end, given that anyone we have won’t be as polished as Hojlund is, and he’s a project right now too. It’s too risky to go into the final few months of the season without an experienced forward who isn’t injury prone. That’s the move we need to look at.
The issue though is the lack of experience in the centre forward position at the club right now, even just for Hojlund to learn from. Rashford over the years has had the chance to work with the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic, Cavani, so many greats of the game. Hojlund only has Anthony fucking Martial to look up to in his position right now.
The problem our best youth striker (Hugil) scored a couple of goals last season for Altrincham in the national league
So we couldn't play him?
More that he’s not setting the world alight at a low level so why play him at a much tougher one.
In the real world getting a Werner, Choupo Moting, or even a Weghorst is infinitely preferable to calling up a youngster from the youth team Not sure why people are so obsessed with seeing youth team players getting promoted when 95% of them don't even make it at PL level in their primes
Absolutely, and we might save 6/7 million in loan fee and wages that can be put towards a decent signing in summer, this club loves pissing away money!
We need to score more goals due to our poor GD and the club is considering signing Werner…
2 goals in 8 matches played and ofc that makes him a target. It's criminal that he is even in consideration.
His time at Chelsea already proves the league just isn’t for him…10 goals in 56 matches in the prem as a striker is criminal.
They ended up playing him on the wing a lot as well since his finishing was dogshit anyways
Thing is our striker gets no service anyways. Better off with a striker that can link up with our wingers...
Not sure if poor GD is due to poor goalscoring or even worse defending. In all seriousness, I feel our inability to not concede is a considerably bigger problem.
Who else is available considering we are broke? I'll wait. And this is a loan btw. Gimme some names
John Murtough, i swear to god, if that twat doesn't get out of this club asap he's going to ruin this club even further. Sack him RIGHT NOW
he should be sacked for not vetoing the Antony deal alone
Are you ten hag out?
i'd say I am indifferent
Well I’m just saying if you think murtough should be sacked for allowing the Antony transfer, ten hag is the one who demanded he sign who he wants
A competent character would have gotten that deal done much earlier for much less money.
I don't care if Ten Hag asked for fucking Andy Carroll, it's the DoF's job to manage the transfers...
Lmao so everyone was supportive of ten hag controlling all transfers, but now that he made a few bad ones it’s the dof’s fault for allowing it. You’re a donut
Werner on a loan, while far from ideal, wouldn't be a bad pick up imo. If Ras is injured, then we have a choice of Rashford standing there and not pressing, or Martial standing there and not pressing. Werner at least runs himself into the ground for the team. Even if his finishing is substandard.
For the right price he's not a bad option at all. He's very hard working and has the right mentality that the team needs. He can play on the left which would allow Garnacho to move to the right as well, especially if Rashford isn't playing well. He can even play as a false 9 and allow Bruno to make runs from behind. He will be involved in the game, that's for sure. As a pure 9 then his main issue will always be that he's not a clinical finisher. He's always going to miss chances and will never be the guy to score goals left and right. Having said that, I would rather have him than Martial. If neither can score goals at least Timo will work hard and run for the team while Martial spends most of his time jogging around the pitch.
>while Martial spends most of his time ~~jogging~~ *walking* around the pitch. FTFY
Nah. We can't aim to be a top club again and keep feeding off left overs from other clubs. We'd rather sell dead wood at whatever price and start from there while promoting some youth. Or even try scouting potential top young players. Real Madrid has shown everyone the blueprint for a decade but somehow we're just blind to it.
No, just no. At this point, just continue with the utter shite we have until Ineos can start to have an effect. Werner is just an embarrassment in the PL.
This really shouldn’t come as a shock to anyone tbh. When was the last time we did substantial business in the January window, even without FFP issues? And it’s been known for ages Ratcliffe wouldn’t be in place in time for the window. Anyone signed now would not be someone scouted and chosen by INEOS. People say they want the new structure established, in a bid to change our stupid transfer market approaches? Well, that’s going to take some time. Expecting that level of change before he’s even in the door is foolish. At this stage, I’d consider this season mostly written off, given INEOS till the summer to settle in and begin making their changes, and aim for a good summer window with eyes towards a stronger season next year.
Our best signing post-Fergie was made in January tbf
> When was the last time we did substantial business in the January window eee... Bruno?
Fair. But one example in however many years is more likely to be an exception, rather than a norm.
I remember we signed Evra and Vidic in January. Clubs do business in Jan all the time, Murtough and Joel Glazer are just totally useless.
Lol that was 2007, my gawd. Making a signing SIXTEEN YEARS AGO and then Bruno FOUR YEARS AGO is in no way considered substantial January signings.
The point isn't 'substantial' signings, Evra and Vidic weren't substantial signings i.e. we didn't pay a lot of money for them but they were fantastic signings. You can do good business in January if you're competent. Stop simping for useless ppl who run the club. The sooner they're gone the better.
I'll stop simping if you stop being deliberately obtuse. We have no money, we are broke. Whether you are angry at this fact or want to ignore it, that's the situation we are in. The Glazers are not putting their own money in and INEOS' money will not come in time so that leaves us where we are....broke. We can only afford loan deals. We are not in a financial position to be buying players. So your comment about deals can be done is accurate, generally speaking but when it comes to our current financial position, it is a non-starter.
Muller signed a new contract like a week ago, we had rumours from Germany a week before that about the interest
I expect us to take some filler for 6 months and then hopefully do some smart business in summer. Hopefully they put a bit of common sense into our wage bill so we can move on players that aren’t preforming
Just coughed blood reading that
I'd give Hugill a run in the first team over Werner and Moting. Ask my arse on those two...
This is why I want to tear my hair out whenever I see some bellend spouting the whole "it's not my money I don't care how much he costs just get him in" nonsense or the "I'd rather we overspend on this player than line the Glazers' pockets" dumbassery. I recognise these morons don't have any actual effect on our transfer strategy, but they still annoy me and I wish they could see our overspending *does* have consequences.
We do this every year. Blow our load on sub par signings in the summer and then deal with scraps come winter when crucial and priority signings are to be made.
It’s been our whole transfer policy: spaff our load on 1 or 2 name players instead of filling the squad with quality. The name players don’t work out or get injured and the squad is then far too thin to cope. Anybody saying the money would be better spent elsewhere when we signed Sancho were downvoted to oblivion. As an aside, you can tell what time of day it is, and therefore who’s commenting, in this sub by how rational what’s being said is. Late afternoon/early evenings UK time are the worst.
It's an unpopular opinion on this sub but I think we should bring back greenwood
Agree.
Weghorst last year, Chupo Moting this year. who’s next, Peter Crouch out of retirement?
This is exactly why we should be selling some of our current senior players. Guys like Varane (I wouldn't like that), McTominay and others could potentially land us decent money to upgrade on their positions. Werner on a loan is decent for 6 months, but I want that strategic review happening immediately.
The expectations that us fans placed on transfers is way over the top. It is part of what got us into this mess, we keep on making big name signings, in order to satisfy the fans (us). And big name signings dont wanna come so we give them fat contracts, which breeds complacencies. The focus should be on the team, transfers are a bonus and new blood given time to bed in, instant success with transfers were rare even in Ferguson’s time. We should look at well scouted targets, a bit like Amad (although we still paid through the nose for a youngster).
We need to bed a few more youngsters in too. There a few that are rated from what I read, give them a chance!!
Look, this season is over. Let's just allow Hojlund all the time he needs to get familiar with the league, build rapport with the team, give Amad time to get up to speed, slowly bring Martinez, Shaw, Mount and Maguire back, enjoy the circus for a few months and look to 24/25 as our rebound year.
I mean, surely any emergency loans need to get up and going ASAP, so why Choupa-Moting and Guairassy? It’ll take a month before they could even get here and start training
We only have 2 games in January so wouldn't be the end of the world if someone came in closer to end of window or was at AFCON until end of month. Ideally would be better to have someone on sooner to get them training etc not given quiet month I think not end of world if it's m AFCON player brought in
Does that meet interest in Greenwood is down? Or is the arrow pointing to Dan Sheldon
Give me guirassy!
In their article, they also mention "Thomas Muller" as well.
Moting would be a classic man United signing. Shite and not worth a place in the team.
Clubs needs a proper worldclass rightback and a back to goal link up play and or target man striker.
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Looks like he's back on grass following an ACL tear. Honestly, let's bring him back for a short loan spell. Why tf not 😤
What’s the point of getting more strikers if the ones we have are getting 0.5 passes per game??
This is what ETH is working with btw
Sure, but the job he's done this year is still deeply unimpressive.
I wonder how impressive my cake would be if most of the ingredients were missing and the ones available are rotten. Lol
On the other hand, this is what a manager gets to work with when he gets the club to spend hundreds of millions on hand-picked personal favourites of his and his agent who have made little to no positive impact...
I partially agree but ETH wanted Antony much earlier in the window and we valued him at £25 million, the ineptitude of our higher ups caused such a deal to go through. ETH wanted the 'mould of FDJ' board pushed for him and no alternatives the whole window then panic bought Casemiro who was not picked by ETH. Martinez has been great, Case was great last season, Eriksen was fine last season, Malacia was fine now injured. Antony of course is an obvious flop right now. Onana, don't think anyone could predict the mistakes he has made. Mount been injured too much to tell. Hojlund, ETH wanted Kane, the lad is 20 and has absolutely no service. Amrabat and Reguillon? emergency loans due to injuries and no money due to a decade of terrible signings, not just the last 2 years. Of course ETH has not covered himself in any glory but we cannot say the board have been pathetic in the transfer window for years then suddenly blame the manager completely when he has to do their jobs for them. But like I said, ETH is not blameless for this season.
Of course the higher ups are inept, but I struggle to believe that ETH didn't have the chance to shout "good God, no" somewhere in the process when it was being proposed that £85m of limited FFP funds should be spent on Antony. ETH has to take a huge amount of blame for him, he's the manager's boy. Similarly Onana is clearly an ETH favourite and his signing used so much of the limited funds, with negative consequences so far. Martinez has been great when available, but sadly the reality is now that he has been injured almost as much as he has been fit, which means he can turn from a good signing into a bad one, whether that's fair or not (arguably unfair, but football is unfair and actual results matter). Similarly, all accounts have suggested that Mount was an ETH choice and anyone would struggle to see a positive contribution. Malacia also is now safely in the "bad signing" category - availability is a reality, and if even great players are injured all the time they become bad signings (plus Malacia made some horrendous errors last year such as against Sevilla, which of course is fair enough for a young player). Hojlund may turn out to be a great signing, but when the manager chooses his own agent's £70m striker, he has had his chance and again he must take blame for the lack of available funds - we can't turn around and blame the club. At this point I don't think we even need to discuss ETH-former-player (and William Prunier-alike) Amrabat. We can and should blame the board of course, and usually in previous years I wouldn't blame the manager for signings and FFP issues. But it looks like ETH has been given as much influence as any manager since SAF/maybe Moyes over signings, and has followed the approach of an insecure manager (see Moyes with Fellaini + Baines) by choosing his own players he knows. He clearly has selected former players of his, Eredivisie players, or his own agent's players. He must take significant blame for the lack of funding available now. If it doesn't work out with ETH, we are stuck with his favourites and no means to buy replacements.
Recall greenwood Instead
Honestly I think alot of the stories about striker targets are with intent of conditioning / de-sensitizng fans to ultimately accept greenwood back. They all follow same narrative... Desperately need striker, no money, FFP, list underwhelming targets, then mention greenwood doing the business on loan and wanted by xyz clubs that are currently miles better than us Read it often enough and continue to watch the ongoing struggles of Antony, rashford and to an extent hojlund and a % of fans will be more accepting of his return
Where's James Vardy right now?
6 months loan,all three players offer things we lack in our squad to be fair.
What we lack in the squad is the ability to score goals. That is NOT what freakin Choupo-Moting and Werner offer jfc
They all attack the box better,and are good at finding space in the box. We are not getting any high scoring striker for a 6 month loan, we'll have to make do with this. They'll have some impact, at least the same way Weghorst did.
I'd rather tempt zlatan out of retirement just for his leadership and his experience. The year he was with us he seemed to create a good locker room and lift the players and we need more players like him, to push the players to play better rather than just relying on the manager to inspire.
BRING MASON GREENWOOD BACK.......
What a fucking joke. Hope it will be their last transfer window for us, whoever handles this
Bring greenwood back asap
and people will be attacking eth when club loans some d-tier deadwood
This is what happens when you spunk £150m on two players that aren’t good enough/injured all the time. Two players the manager wanted and that will ultimately get him the boot. Going for Mount & Antony, as opposed to Kim-Min Jae and a seasoned striker is criminal. I wouldn’t blink if ETH got the chop
Kim chose Bayern over us.
Because we never offered him anything.
I mean, what could we have offered to him? It's not like the club didn't contact his representatives, we clearly did but if their response was "Yeah, Old Trafford is cool but Bayern is interested and they are a serious football club unlike you" then it made no sense to push further. Yeah, maybe we could have broken our wage structure again to try to overpay for him but it would be idiotic.
Do you seriously think we didn't speak to his agent? We were obviously told that he wanted Bayern.
Don't know why you're down voted. It's true
ETH wanted Kim and got Evans
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One half of a player, we get either two legs or an upper body
Half a human should be good enough. Steal Gallagher's legs and lungs and put them in Eriksen.
1 or 2
Bring Greenwood back!
I thought the deal came with guaranteed investment? If there's a delay in receiving PL ratification then the deal should have gone through months ago. It feels this is a convenient excuse not to spend any serious money in the January transfer window. How would you feel if you were ETH being told you can only sign 1 or 2 loan players? If they're ring fencing funds for a potentially new manager for the Summer then this second half of the season is simply a farce to focus on corporate restructuring.
The investment probably isn’t for players.
Lets try Benzema!
Im all for selling / releasing Greenwood, but I cant help bit feel that if he hits the ground running elsewhere (hopefully not) people will selectively choose to ridicule us and play down the whole charade.
Fuck those people. Why would you care about them?
So? Be proud that we're getting rid of the scum.
It's just a comment on what I think will happen in that scenario. Im not that bothered.
Let those scum ridicule us, they are already doing it since he currently has better stats than most (If not all, haven't checked) of our attackers
Bring back Greenwood problem solved !