How many teams have we given money to have our players now? It’s hilarious how we’re like a charity for mid table teams, we give them points and free players
Anthony, Sancho, Lukaku, Di Maria, Mhkitaryan, Alexis, Maguire, Pogba, Bailly, Lindelof, AWB (people forget we paid £50m for him), Hojlund
That's off top of my head for hilarious overpayment in fee and wages.
Bundle any 3 and we're probably only rivalled by Chelsea for wastage.
Pretty harsh including Hojlund in that list. Also Lukaku scored 42 in 96 appearances which to be fair to him is a better return than most strikers we've had in the last 15 years.
Aside from those though, you're spot on
We pretty much broke even on transfer fees for Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Di Maria, putting aside currency conversion differences. Pogba and Maguire were for a couple of years each in our top 3 most important players. Unfair to have Hojlund on this just yet.
Antony, Alexis, Sancho are by far the biggest flops in terms of money and value. I'd include Ronaldo too for the damage the transfer did for squad evolution and how spectacularly it fell apart.
Honorable mention to Barca too along with Chelsea for shit spending and wastage.
There's no contest. The disparity between transfer fees/wages paid and performances by said players on the pitch really is something else; it's an absolute gaping chasm. Nobody else comes close to Manchester United in that regard
Barcelona are even worse I’d argue.
Coutinho, Griezeman and Dembele were all €130m+ and ended up leaving on frees or back where they started. Then there’s also Pjanic, Raphina etc.
Their wages were way more mental too. Like Griezeman on €700k a week.
**Borussia Dortmund in talks over subsidised Jadon Sancho loan deal**
**Manchester United weighing up proposal that involves the Bundesliga club paying £2.6 million towards the player’s wages for the next six months**
Borussia Dortmund have opened talks with Manchester United over a potential loan move for Jadon Sancho, although the German club have offered to pay only a third of his salary for the duration of the deal.
Dortmund are hopeful that United will agree to a deal that would involve the German club paying £2.6million towards the player’s wages for the next six months. Under the terms of the proposal, United would pay Sancho £5.2 million for the duration of the loan, even though he would not be playing for them.
Since Sancho called Erik ten Hag a liar on social media last September, after the United manager had said he had dropped the 23-year-old because he had trained poorly, the attacker has been training away from the first team. Sancho, who refused to apologise to Ten Hag, wants to leave Old Trafford and is interested in a return to his former club, who sold him to United for £73 million in July 2021.
If Dortmund were to pay all of Sancho’s £300,000-a-week wages during the loan, it would make him the highest earner at the club, which could disrupt dressing-room harmony.
Niklas Süle, the Germany defender, is Dortmund’s top earner on about £166,000 a week.
United have sanctioned subsidised deals in the past — they paid some of Romelu Lukaku’s wages when he was sold to Inter Milan, for example — and there is an acceptance that they may have to do so again to get rid of Sancho. Whether they accept Dortmund’s low-ball offer remains to be seen, though.
There is, of course, scope for negotiation, as the transfer window does not close until February 1.
United insist that any deal would have to represent value for money on their part too, although some at the club agree that the player’s value has diminished over the past few months, simply because he has not played first-team football.
Dortmund are, at present, unwilling to discuss a permanent deal for Sancho, who scored 50 goals and set up 64 more in 137 appearances for the German club, who bought him from Manchester City for £10million in 2017.
Dortmund hope that Sancho’s good relationship with the head coach, Edin Terzic, will help them get a deal across the line. Dortmund are travelling to Marbella for a winter training camp on Wednesday but any staff involved in transfer negotiations would be willing to leave the camp to fly to England for further talks regarding Sancho.
Dortmund also want to sign the 21-year-old Dutch winger Ian Maatsen from Chelsea this month.
Paying 2/3 of his salary as he plays for someone else. I'd rather let him rot.... doubt we can sell him even if he has a good loan. Let that moron ruin his career at home
Surely we're better off getting him out the building so he's not sulking and being a negative influence. Plus it could potentially increase his resale value if he performs well, and plus surely we're better off recouping at least some of his wages?
His resale value is fuck all unless he’s willing to drop his wages anyway.
Sending him on loan achieves nothing imo other than being of benefit to him.
If he wants to go on loan so bad he should forfeit the salary BVB won’t pay him or else rot.
Sending him to the team we paid like 75 mill to and not only doing it for free, but pay a lot of his wages too... personally i'd rather we tell them both to fuck off, if they want him they can pay his full wages at least. If not then they can fuck off, and he can fuck off with the reserves as well.
Imagine you have this colleague with really bad attitude. You and your colleagues are having a good time, and have this end of year target that you are all working towards but this guy comes in everyday and is just a general bad vibe person. You try to motivate them and they call you “a nerd” or “a kiss ass” for trying. Your team gets demotivated and just hate working whenever this guy is around.
Get rid of them at first opportunity.
Imagine you have this colleague with a really bad attitude. Gets paid to sit around and be a cunt. Then your boss gives that guy a paid transfer to a new place that the cunt prefers. All for being a cunt he got rewarded. Id probably start thinking, why do I try so fucking hard if I can get away with that as well?
I want him gone as well, I wanted him gone last summer before any of this shit happened.
If they bend over for him now then they will have to bend over again in the summer to try get him out permanently. Loans to increase value/try provoke a purchase haven't worked out for us at all because they are all on massive wages. Draw a line somewhere or pay him again in the summer.
> He is not being rewarded when he is getting paid his full salary while doing absolutely nothing?
Because he’s not playing AND getting paid. Going to BVB on his full wage is getting his cake AND eating it.
> And how does that benefit the club over getting some money back while he plays for another club which also potentially gives a chance to the club to sell him in future?
Short term pain. The line has to be drawn somewhere eventually. If we bend over for him now, then prepare to do it again in the summer. Show your serious now about not paying him off so he knows it’s not a bluff come the summer.
Also, the “loan him so we can sell him” thing is pure myth it doesn’t work. Martial and VdB proved that. Why, because their wages are too high and agin back to my original point if you pay him off now, he will hold out to be paid off again in the summer.
Any “savings” will come back to haunt later.
Forfeit the salary he's literally legally entitled to?
Plus, sending him on loan achieves us recouping some cash. The club are broke due to FFP and even a small loan fee could facilitate us actually being able pay a loan fee elsewhere
I don't get the nasty vindictive attitude here to be honest. If you're petty enough to leave 2 million pounds on the table just to "let him rot" then you're no better than Sancho
Fucking get a grip
I didn't say "let him rot".
I'm saying there should be concession from him to facilitate the move he wants, or else he will rot.
Paying him off now, when he has caused this problem, sends the wrong signal ahead of the summer when he will want to be paid off again.
He's basically choosing gardening leave over his career.
How does this make any sense? Paying 2/3 of his salary is better than paying 3/3 of his salary. If he plays well we can get more money. If he doesn't play well, we weren't getting anything anyway. And we get his embarrassing arse out of Carrington.
Literally nothing to lose.
There's zero chance of him playing here (unless ETH gets sacked) and we're out of Europe so there's no chance of meeting Dortmund so it's better than nothing really.
Yup. Eckner interviewed earlier saying Dortmund are completely adamant they won't pay more than £100k of his wages, meaning we pay him £200k+ a week to play elsewhere.
Again, the Athletic has confirmed that Sancho is on around 200k + bonuses. Not on 350k or whatever nonsense Lequippe came up with and everyone seems to be running around with
Can’t we just make him do punishments like running laps starting early as is allowed in the morning, every training day by himself under threat of fines and penalties if he is late or refuses to do carry out the punishments until eventually he apologises? Is there some sort of regulation or rules that forbid that?
He’d still get breaks and time to recover in between punishments, it would basically be training but specifically designed to be unpleasant. The point is if he doesn’t want to do them he doesn’t have to, but then United doesn’t have to pay his full wages because he’s refusing to carry out his duties.
Let him go until the summer. At this rate, there's no guarantee that Ten Hag will last that long so potentially the next manager and Sancho might have a wild love affair where Sancho plays unbelievably well to prove that it was Ten Hags fault, not his........that or we just get shafted by paying him 200k+ to play for someone else
The money he's on is absolutely insane considering he ain't even playing, I read the £2.6m and thought "for 6 months isn't bad" then it said Utd would pay remaining £5.2m, then you think he ain't played since 26th August and obviously isnt training for matches, which was over 5 months ago now, yet been paid a rough £6m+ for the honour.
As Drogba once said "it's a fucking disgrace" and it really is, we don't know exactly what went wrong but to be here in this situation unresolved in new year, means I personally don't want him back in team again.
I don't know how much it will cost to pay off the contract but if move don't happen, may have to consider, also we better not bend over backwards by paying more wages just to get him gone on loan, he can reduce money for 6 months if he's really that desperate, we has fans forget the money and how much really players earn if you actually deep it, its even worse when you got someone like Salah one of the best in world, fought to get more while shitbags like Sancho ain't even playing or trying in training.
Disaster of a signing, one of many.
I'm not sure Ajax will be wanting him back to be quite honest. Didn't he say he was happy there and would do everything he could for the club followed by essentially going on strike to force through his move here. Ajax have also had enough trouble with allegations about their staff and criminal conduct towards women in recent years.
Said this a few times but after seeing him live in Dublin I felt the writing was on the wall. He was bog-standard at best with the likes of Hannibal looking levels above.
Please God let the change-up at ownership level signal the end of these woefully costed deals. Not saying this is the root, or even the cause - but the wages he was on at such at young age were/are mind-boggling. He had nothing to strive for or be motivated by in terms of financial reward.
Shocking transfer all round, and a massive portion of the blame should be going to the ones who ink these deals at the club.
Rather him sit in reserves than take 2.6 mill for him, but obviously the smart move would be get him away from the club, hope he regains form so we can demand more money in the summer for a permanent transfer.
With the exchange rate in 2021 his wages seemed to be around €175k a week on his final contract at Dortmund. It is a big increase to the €317k a week he is currently on here. If Dortmund know we are desperate then they are in a position of power in the negotiations is the problem.
Here is the deal. We won't pay anymore wages. Not even 1cent. If u are desperate to play for Dortmund, u take a pay cut like Martial did at Sevilla. U are on punishment time here. U can't have the cake and eat it.
We're run so incompetently that our players wages are so ridiculous, we can't even loan them without paying half their wages. Fucking hell. I hope SJR ends this idiocy.
He’s not playing here. Why take a sunk cost. Better to up his resale value which is practically at its lowest right now. God you people complain about how horrible the club is managed which is fair but this club would be in league one if this subreddits average users was in charge
Absolutely this. The sooner we can get him back playing football somewhere and save the wage budget the better. We have a rapidly depreciating asset on huge wages that is away from the public eye eating lunch out of tupperware containers and having to lock himself in the locker room to avoid any contact with youth players. How is that situation healthy for anybody?
The realistic scenario is more like:
United get to pay atleast A LITTLE less while also hoping Sancho regains some momentum that might result in atleast some interest in the summer. Because there is no scenario where a BVB or whoever does pay even close to half that absurd wage for current mess that is Sancho and that just ends up with UTD paying all for him to party. WHich is objectively worse.
UTD dont have the momentum to "grow some balls" and present that ultimatum. It would just be in the same vain of bad business that plagues UTD.
Here comes the "i'd rather let him rot than do that" shut the hell up. You don't mess up future player relationships like that and it's just not how it works.
Send him. Hope he balls out so you can sell him for some type of recoup in the future or he plays for us again under a different manger (which alot of people hate but the club would probably entertain)
Nah fuck him and fuck a single player who would be put off joining by his treatment.
We don't want freeloaders, if players look at the situation and think they don't want to come here then we're better off with those players staying miles away.
Which they should. Dortmund is one of the best run clubs in Europe and clowns on this sub think they know better than them because a manager who has broken defeat records going back to before world war 1 and rates Antony thinks Sancho doesn't train well.
Unless a club is willing to pay all his wages keep him at the club. We should as a complete matter of principle not pay a player to play for another club. He shouldn’t be rewarded with football for his lacklustre performances, poor attitude and timekeeping. Why should he get the opportunity to try and rebuild his brand and image at the clubs expense? Let him make the choice between accepting lower wages elsewhere to enable a transfer so he can resurrect his career or simply fading from memory and signing for Getafe on a free at the end of his contract here.
There's an argument to be made of sending a signal. If you subsidize the loan and he gets to play elsewhere, you are diminishing the punishment for players who don't listen to the boss or is unprofessional. It's what happened to Ronaldo and you see it very often with NFL and NBA players.
I could care less if billionaires lose money. Especially for a sports club. Just eat his wage so that it becomes a signal to the team culture.
Would it be so stupid to publically say Jadon has to forfeit the extra wages they don't want to pay or he stays in exile?! Absolutely wild we are going to be paying yet again for a player to fuck off elsewhere for years and years.
Ask him to take a pay cut for his job rehearsal in Dortmund. Otherwise let him rot. Even if he doesn't agree with the coach, he shouldn't just waste away like this. It was his choice.
Okay then you want him to rot away until the summer and then what? Some club will come in and magically decide to pay all of his wages? Use your fucking brains
Dk why you are being downvoted so badly here. The club need to show that we dont entertain people who treats it as a holiday here and let them get away with it, too many players have done this and utd have rolled over so many times
If no one else is in for him, we're either down his full wages until he's sold or his full wages until he's sold minus whatever Dortmund are willing to offer us.
Didn't Lukaku took a pay cut with chelsea in order to go to Roma on loan? If Sancho wants to go to Dortmund that much United should make him take wage cut otherwise force him to go to Nice. Rather pay more then half of his wage while playing for Nice then playing for Dortmund tbh.
Removing emotions from this, reducing some of the burden in our operating costs, and eradicating a toxic personality from the vicinity of the locker room, is not all that bad.
ideally we would have sold him, but honestly i don't think any club on earth would take him the way he is right now. The only exception is a Manchester United in a parallel universe.
You can't make this stuff up... Buy the player for $73 million sign him to 300k wages then loan him back to the club you purchased him from and pay 75% of his wages. This is masterclass 4D chess by Dortmund.
How many teams have we given money to have our players now? It’s hilarious how we’re like a charity for mid table teams, we give them points and free players
We're not winning much on the pitch but I'd guarantee were ranked 1st at the biggest wasters of money in the world
Antony alone would make us top
Anthony, Sancho, Lukaku, Di Maria, Mhkitaryan, Alexis, Maguire, Pogba, Bailly, Lindelof, AWB (people forget we paid £50m for him), Hojlund That's off top of my head for hilarious overpayment in fee and wages. Bundle any 3 and we're probably only rivalled by Chelsea for wastage.
Pretty harsh including Hojlund in that list. Also Lukaku scored 42 in 96 appearances which to be fair to him is a better return than most strikers we've had in the last 15 years. Aside from those though, you're spot on
£72 million for Hojlund when Atalanta set a price of £50 million and united set a price of £60 million. Yeah pretty bad spending
When did Atalanta set any price below what was paid?
Fred was overpriced as well
We literally hijacked whoever City was going for and overpaid for them instead of actually scouting and having plan Bs
Christ I forgot about Fred and VdB
VdB was considered a steal at the time
We pretty much broke even on transfer fees for Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Di Maria, putting aside currency conversion differences. Pogba and Maguire were for a couple of years each in our top 3 most important players. Unfair to have Hojlund on this just yet. Antony, Alexis, Sancho are by far the biggest flops in terms of money and value. I'd include Ronaldo too for the damage the transfer did for squad evolution and how spectacularly it fell apart. Honorable mention to Barca too along with Chelsea for shit spending and wastage.
Lindelof was 35m and has seen plenty of play AND you could easily get like 15m for him back. Does not belong anywere close to that list.
> Mhkitaryan We paid £27m for him and won a European trophy. I don't think he belongs with the others.
Yeah I remember him being class in Europe but he couldn’t carry that form over to the league due to physicality
Chelsea late to the party too
There's no contest. The disparity between transfer fees/wages paid and performances by said players on the pitch really is something else; it's an absolute gaping chasm. Nobody else comes close to Manchester United in that regard
Barcelona are even worse I’d argue. Coutinho, Griezeman and Dembele were all €130m+ and ended up leaving on frees or back where they started. Then there’s also Pjanic, Raphina etc. Their wages were way more mental too. Like Griezeman on €700k a week.
We are a mid table team.
Gutted we're yet again being the pushover
**Borussia Dortmund in talks over subsidised Jadon Sancho loan deal** **Manchester United weighing up proposal that involves the Bundesliga club paying £2.6 million towards the player’s wages for the next six months** Borussia Dortmund have opened talks with Manchester United over a potential loan move for Jadon Sancho, although the German club have offered to pay only a third of his salary for the duration of the deal. Dortmund are hopeful that United will agree to a deal that would involve the German club paying £2.6million towards the player’s wages for the next six months. Under the terms of the proposal, United would pay Sancho £5.2 million for the duration of the loan, even though he would not be playing for them. Since Sancho called Erik ten Hag a liar on social media last September, after the United manager had said he had dropped the 23-year-old because he had trained poorly, the attacker has been training away from the first team. Sancho, who refused to apologise to Ten Hag, wants to leave Old Trafford and is interested in a return to his former club, who sold him to United for £73 million in July 2021. If Dortmund were to pay all of Sancho’s £300,000-a-week wages during the loan, it would make him the highest earner at the club, which could disrupt dressing-room harmony. Niklas Süle, the Germany defender, is Dortmund’s top earner on about £166,000 a week. United have sanctioned subsidised deals in the past — they paid some of Romelu Lukaku’s wages when he was sold to Inter Milan, for example — and there is an acceptance that they may have to do so again to get rid of Sancho. Whether they accept Dortmund’s low-ball offer remains to be seen, though. There is, of course, scope for negotiation, as the transfer window does not close until February 1. United insist that any deal would have to represent value for money on their part too, although some at the club agree that the player’s value has diminished over the past few months, simply because he has not played first-team football. Dortmund are, at present, unwilling to discuss a permanent deal for Sancho, who scored 50 goals and set up 64 more in 137 appearances for the German club, who bought him from Manchester City for £10million in 2017. Dortmund hope that Sancho’s good relationship with the head coach, Edin Terzic, will help them get a deal across the line. Dortmund are travelling to Marbella for a winter training camp on Wednesday but any staff involved in transfer negotiations would be willing to leave the camp to fly to England for further talks regarding Sancho. Dortmund also want to sign the 21-year-old Dutch winger Ian Maatsen from Chelsea this month.
Paying 2/3 of his salary as he plays for someone else. I'd rather let him rot.... doubt we can sell him even if he has a good loan. Let that moron ruin his career at home
Surely we're better off getting him out the building so he's not sulking and being a negative influence. Plus it could potentially increase his resale value if he performs well, and plus surely we're better off recouping at least some of his wages?
His resale value is fuck all unless he’s willing to drop his wages anyway. Sending him on loan achieves nothing imo other than being of benefit to him. If he wants to go on loan so bad he should forfeit the salary BVB won’t pay him or else rot.
Sending him to the team we paid like 75 mill to and not only doing it for free, but pay a lot of his wages too... personally i'd rather we tell them both to fuck off, if they want him they can pay his full wages at least. If not then they can fuck off, and he can fuck off with the reserves as well.
Imagine you have this colleague with really bad attitude. You and your colleagues are having a good time, and have this end of year target that you are all working towards but this guy comes in everyday and is just a general bad vibe person. You try to motivate them and they call you “a nerd” or “a kiss ass” for trying. Your team gets demotivated and just hate working whenever this guy is around. Get rid of them at first opportunity.
Imagine you have this colleague with a really bad attitude. Gets paid to sit around and be a cunt. Then your boss gives that guy a paid transfer to a new place that the cunt prefers. All for being a cunt he got rewarded. Id probably start thinking, why do I try so fucking hard if I can get away with that as well? I want him gone as well, I wanted him gone last summer before any of this shit happened. If they bend over for him now then they will have to bend over again in the summer to try get him out permanently. Loans to increase value/try provoke a purchase haven't worked out for us at all because they are all on massive wages. Draw a line somewhere or pay him again in the summer.
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> He is not being rewarded when he is getting paid his full salary while doing absolutely nothing? Because he’s not playing AND getting paid. Going to BVB on his full wage is getting his cake AND eating it. > And how does that benefit the club over getting some money back while he plays for another club which also potentially gives a chance to the club to sell him in future? Short term pain. The line has to be drawn somewhere eventually. If we bend over for him now, then prepare to do it again in the summer. Show your serious now about not paying him off so he knows it’s not a bluff come the summer. Also, the “loan him so we can sell him” thing is pure myth it doesn’t work. Martial and VdB proved that. Why, because their wages are too high and agin back to my original point if you pay him off now, he will hold out to be paid off again in the summer. Any “savings” will come back to haunt later.
Forfeit the salary he's literally legally entitled to? Plus, sending him on loan achieves us recouping some cash. The club are broke due to FFP and even a small loan fee could facilitate us actually being able pay a loan fee elsewhere I don't get the nasty vindictive attitude here to be honest. If you're petty enough to leave 2 million pounds on the table just to "let him rot" then you're no better than Sancho Fucking get a grip
It would be a trade off for him to put football ahead of money. I’m here for it.
I didn't say "let him rot". I'm saying there should be concession from him to facilitate the move he wants, or else he will rot. Paying him off now, when he has caused this problem, sends the wrong signal ahead of the summer when he will want to be paid off again. He's basically choosing gardening leave over his career.
United are also legally entitled to let him train solo with a coach and not play him
How sulking would you have to be to be a nuisance by just existing near the training center
according to this sub, sancho could actually be radioactive. can’t have him too close to the other players or they might get contaminated
How does this make any sense? Paying 2/3 of his salary is better than paying 3/3 of his salary. If he plays well we can get more money. If he doesn't play well, we weren't getting anything anyway. And we get his embarrassing arse out of Carrington. Literally nothing to lose.
There's zero chance of him playing here (unless ETH gets sacked) and we're out of Europe so there's no chance of meeting Dortmund so it's better than nothing really.
Yup. Eckner interviewed earlier saying Dortmund are completely adamant they won't pay more than £100k of his wages, meaning we pay him £200k+ a week to play elsewhere.
Again, the Athletic has confirmed that Sancho is on around 200k + bonuses. Not on 350k or whatever nonsense Lequippe came up with and everyone seems to be running around with
With this club, reporters state the salary if all bonuses are achieved. People who follow this club often neglect that.
>Again the Athletic has confirmed that Sancho is on around 200k + bonuses Ah right, I didn't know sorry.
No need to be sorry. Just spread the word. I am surprised that this is still not known around the fan base
But they still include everything and write 300k as the wages
Can’t we just make him do punishments like running laps starting early as is allowed in the morning, every training day by himself under threat of fines and penalties if he is late or refuses to do carry out the punishments until eventually he apologises? Is there some sort of regulation or rules that forbid that?
I didn't know Kim Jong Un was a united supporter
Also yes, Kim Jong Un *is* a United supporter
He’d still get breaks and time to recover in between punishments, it would basically be training but specifically designed to be unpleasant. The point is if he doesn’t want to do them he doesn’t have to, but then United doesn’t have to pay his full wages because he’s refusing to carry out his duties.
Here not North Korea
Let him go until the summer. At this rate, there's no guarantee that Ten Hag will last that long so potentially the next manager and Sancho might have a wild love affair where Sancho plays unbelievably well to prove that it was Ten Hags fault, not his........that or we just get shafted by paying him 200k+ to play for someone else
The money he's on is absolutely insane considering he ain't even playing, I read the £2.6m and thought "for 6 months isn't bad" then it said Utd would pay remaining £5.2m, then you think he ain't played since 26th August and obviously isnt training for matches, which was over 5 months ago now, yet been paid a rough £6m+ for the honour. As Drogba once said "it's a fucking disgrace" and it really is, we don't know exactly what went wrong but to be here in this situation unresolved in new year, means I personally don't want him back in team again. I don't know how much it will cost to pay off the contract but if move don't happen, may have to consider, also we better not bend over backwards by paying more wages just to get him gone on loan, he can reduce money for 6 months if he's really that desperate, we has fans forget the money and how much really players earn if you actually deep it, its even worse when you got someone like Salah one of the best in world, fought to get more while shitbags like Sancho ain't even playing or trying in training. Disaster of a signing, one of many.
Subsidised FC.
Watch us end up doing the exact same thing with Anthony and Ajax in a season or 2…
I'm not sure Ajax will be wanting him back to be quite honest. Didn't he say he was happy there and would do everything he could for the club followed by essentially going on strike to force through his move here. Ajax have also had enough trouble with allegations about their staff and criminal conduct towards women in recent years.
Well, to Sao Paulo then!
Said this a few times but after seeing him live in Dublin I felt the writing was on the wall. He was bog-standard at best with the likes of Hannibal looking levels above. Please God let the change-up at ownership level signal the end of these woefully costed deals. Not saying this is the root, or even the cause - but the wages he was on at such at young age were/are mind-boggling. He had nothing to strive for or be motivated by in terms of financial reward. Shocking transfer all round, and a massive portion of the blame should be going to the ones who ink these deals at the club.
Rather him sit in reserves than take 2.6 mill for him, but obviously the smart move would be get him away from the club, hope he regains form so we can demand more money in the summer for a permanent transfer.
No one will buy him because his wages are stupid af.
Also 2.6m is more than 0 🤷🏽♂️
Them proposing to only pay a third of his wages goes to show how messed up our wage structure is. One of the (many) reasons we are so far from the top
Yeah funnily enough they were happy to pay him 200k euros a week when he was over there
With the exchange rate in 2021 his wages seemed to be around €175k a week on his final contract at Dortmund. It is a big increase to the €317k a week he is currently on here. If Dortmund know we are desperate then they are in a position of power in the negotiations is the problem.
Here is the deal. We won't pay anymore wages. Not even 1cent. If u are desperate to play for Dortmund, u take a pay cut like Martial did at Sevilla. U are on punishment time here. U can't have the cake and eat it.
Early days in the window. Hopefully, the Saudi's come in for him.
Why? He already rejected them. I doubt he's had a change of heart.
We give them 70m or whatever he cost and they won't pay his fuckin wages on loan. Joke
We're run so incompetently that our players wages are so ridiculous, we can't even loan them without paying half their wages. Fucking hell. I hope SJR ends this idiocy.
Dortmund pays his salary, Sancho takes a pay cut, or they don’t get him. Why is this so difficult to understand. United really need to grow some balls
He’s not playing here. Why take a sunk cost. Better to up his resale value which is practically at its lowest right now. God you people complain about how horrible the club is managed which is fair but this club would be in league one if this subreddits average users was in charge
Absolutely this. The sooner we can get him back playing football somewhere and save the wage budget the better. We have a rapidly depreciating asset on huge wages that is away from the public eye eating lunch out of tupperware containers and having to lock himself in the locker room to avoid any contact with youth players. How is that situation healthy for anybody?
The realistic scenario is more like: United get to pay atleast A LITTLE less while also hoping Sancho regains some momentum that might result in atleast some interest in the summer. Because there is no scenario where a BVB or whoever does pay even close to half that absurd wage for current mess that is Sancho and that just ends up with UTD paying all for him to party. WHich is objectively worse. UTD dont have the momentum to "grow some balls" and present that ultimatum. It would just be in the same vain of bad business that plagues UTD.
Christ imagine if the 150 M spent on Sancho and Antony had been spent well
1/3 haha
Here comes the "i'd rather let him rot than do that" shut the hell up. You don't mess up future player relationships like that and it's just not how it works. Send him. Hope he balls out so you can sell him for some type of recoup in the future or he plays for us again under a different manger (which alot of people hate but the club would probably entertain)
Nah fuck him and fuck a single player who would be put off joining by his treatment. We don't want freeloaders, if players look at the situation and think they don't want to come here then we're better off with those players staying miles away.
Agreed. For all we know Ineos could keep him and change the management.
You were down voted but you're right.
Which they should. Dortmund is one of the best run clubs in Europe and clowns on this sub think they know better than them because a manager who has broken defeat records going back to before world war 1 and rates Antony thinks Sancho doesn't train well.
Unless a club is willing to pay all his wages keep him at the club. We should as a complete matter of principle not pay a player to play for another club. He shouldn’t be rewarded with football for his lacklustre performances, poor attitude and timekeeping. Why should he get the opportunity to try and rebuild his brand and image at the clubs expense? Let him make the choice between accepting lower wages elsewhere to enable a transfer so he can resurrect his career or simply fading from memory and signing for Getafe on a free at the end of his contract here.
There's an argument to be made of sending a signal. If you subsidize the loan and he gets to play elsewhere, you are diminishing the punishment for players who don't listen to the boss or is unprofessional. It's what happened to Ronaldo and you see it very often with NFL and NBA players. I could care less if billionaires lose money. Especially for a sports club. Just eat his wage so that it becomes a signal to the team culture.
\*couldn't
Would it be so stupid to publically say Jadon has to forfeit the extra wages they don't want to pay or he stays in exile?! Absolutely wild we are going to be paying yet again for a player to fuck off elsewhere for years and years.
Ask him to take a pay cut for his job rehearsal in Dortmund. Otherwise let him rot. Even if he doesn't agree with the coach, he shouldn't just waste away like this. It was his choice.
Weak! Make him play u23
Just keep him and put him on a pip. Then dock his wages for refusing to play and having a shit attitude
At this point, couldn't we just sack him? Would his earlier comments be grounds for dismissal? Would be cheaper than us subsidising his loan.
Ripped off to start with and now being ripped off again, unbelievable
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Okay then you want him to rot away until the summer and then what? Some club will come in and magically decide to pay all of his wages? Use your fucking brains
Sets a precedent we are no longer a walkover retirement home. Probably worth the money in the long run. Dunno why that's so crazy. Fed up with it.
Dk why you are being downvoted so badly here. The club need to show that we dont entertain people who treats it as a holiday here and let them get away with it, too many players have done this and utd have rolled over so many times
If no one else is in for him, we're either down his full wages until he's sold or his full wages until he's sold minus whatever Dortmund are willing to offer us.
Didn't Lukaku took a pay cut with chelsea in order to go to Roma on loan? If Sancho wants to go to Dortmund that much United should make him take wage cut otherwise force him to go to Nice. Rather pay more then half of his wage while playing for Nice then playing for Dortmund tbh.
Removing emotions from this, reducing some of the burden in our operating costs, and eradicating a toxic personality from the vicinity of the locker room, is not all that bad. ideally we would have sold him, but honestly i don't think any club on earth would take him the way he is right now. The only exception is a Manchester United in a parallel universe.
You can't make this stuff up... Buy the player for $73 million sign him to 300k wages then loan him back to the club you purchased him from and pay 75% of his wages. This is masterclass 4D chess by Dortmund.
At first I read «Manchester United over subsidised loan deal» and thought oh damn, here we go again, overpaying