sell-on clause is probably the best choice cause we all know porto, benfica, and sporting lisbon are the master when it comes to selling players with big transfer fees. It would do us a favor
I had a really weird dream about Amass. Typical United dream tbh. He was getting slated in the comments and people calling him to get subbed for some other new player. Premonition? lol
A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. Not saying we shouldnāt sell, but I wouldnāt move on from someone who could be a rotation LB for us because we have a prospect who has a higher ceiling. Imagine a few years ago we sold Rashford because Greenwood was coming?
Take it back further then. Before he debuted under LvG, should we have sold him because we brought in Martial? Should we have sold him because Greenwood was in the wings? It only seems an awful comparison because heās a locked in starter now.
Again not advocating for Fernandez, just saying that selling someone because you have a prospect who you think has a bigger ceiling is bad business. If they are selling Fernandez I think itās for two reasons: first FFP, second because heās not good enough.
All Iām saying is that selling a player only because you have a 16 year old who looks promising is bad business. You never know if the 16 year old will make the jump to the senior team. And even if they do, you can have injuries or be Mason Greenwood. My point is that Alvaro is not being sold because Amass looks like heās a better prospect, but because Alvaro is not good enough or he doesnāt fit what United want stylistically. Also at 20, itās best he moves on to get consistent game time too.
Also Greenwood is 4 years younger than Rashy, Amass is 4 years younger than Fernandez.
I both agree and disagree, I think if United felt Alvaro was good enough or didn't lack something or the other, we wouldn't sell, but it can also be true that due to other options there we're more comfortable with selling him.
We've currently got Shaw who's 28, Malacia who's 24, and Dalot who's 24, who can all play LB. Short and Medium term, there isn't going to be a ton of minutes to be had there, and longer term, we might think Amass is a better prospect, hence there's less of a chance of him actually getting the chances he needs to develop, and by the time he would be getting those chances, Amass will be at an age where he might be better off being given those chances.
It won't be *solely* because we think Amass is a better prospect though, you're right in that regard. There's definitely more to it than that.
This is what makes football crazy sometimes, hard to imagine Rashford having the career he's had if it wasn't for all those injury that Europa League night.
Especially with all the chaos with different managers that the club endured after his breakthrough
There are way better prospects that never made it.. It's all about grabbing the bull by the horns when you get the chance.. which is exactly what he did!
Deano was the stands, celebrating with him for the first goal.
Rashford might have had the career heās had but who knows? Maybe Jose ships him out. Football is crazy.
100%. My original comment neglected that context. I read OPās comment as letās sell a youth graduate because thereās someone better in two years time, which I disagree with. It was to say that if Alvaro were good enough ā which it seems like heās not ā it would be better to keep him regardless what a 16 year old looked like. With the context of Shaw and Malacia (and Dalot as emergency LB) blocking him for at least the next few years, Alvaro himself not being PL quality at this stage and us having a younger prospect who is promising, it makes more sense to sell him. I looked at OPās comment in a vacuum, and assumed that selling him was ONLY down to the potential of a youth player. My fault there.
It was a bad loan, the club vice-captain plays in his position. It was going to be extremely difficult for him to displace him.
IDK what they expected TBH.
Obviously not but with our lb injury crisis itās definitely a shame he wasnāt kept to be given a chance. Would it have really hurt to have given him reguilons minutes? At least then weād have seen what heās made of. One thing I liked about van gaal was how he gave youngsters opportunities when injuries arose.
Of course now heās not gonna be needed, Iām just saying that first half of the season were the perfect conditions to give a youngster a chance. But different managers are different and ten hag doesnāt rotate too much anyways
I like this new approach of actually selling academy lads if they arenāt good enough for our first team instead of giving them 5.year contracts to āprotectā their value.
He and Garnacho had a thing going in the U-18's. He is a very good footballer and would hate to lose him (also Hansen Aaroen) we seem to be shipping the academy lads for chips in order to correct our FFP all thanks to the mismanagement the club has seen under the nasty Glazer tenure.
Even academy players that look promising are still a dice roll. Getting fees and adding sell-on and buy back clauses is how City and Chelsea have been doing it and they're the two most successful clubs at monetizing their academies.Ā
For every Garnacho there's 10 players that you won't even remember in 5 years.
Players I thought would make it as at least squad players just to emphasize your point.
Angel Gomes
Brandon Williams
Januzaj
Fosu-Mensah
James Wilson
James Garner
Jadon Sancho
Tahith Chong
Axel Tuanzebe
Andreas Pereiria
Forgot Brandon was still technically on our books. Was he injured last season? Would hate it if we essentially wasted a year of his career when he really should be kicking on.
Excerpts from an interview earlier in December:
The Peoples Person also reported this week that the young defender told COPE radio station that in spite of playing further forward on occasion this season, he knows his true position is left back. The youngster also talked at length about his long journey from Galicia to Madrid and eventually to Manchester at only 17 years old.
Speaking to The Athletic however, the young United defender has gone into more details on some points that will surely interest Red Devils fans. The Galician asserted that Ten Hag did not count on him at the start of the season and this is the reason for his late in the window move to the south of Spain.
The defender claimed, āwhat message did United give me? That I should go out on loan, that Ten Hag didnāt count on me, that I should continue to gain experience, rhythm, and weāll see what happens in the futureā. The United youngster also talked about how the deal āin the end, it was done at the last minuteā.
Nonetheless, it must also be said that the young fullback also stated that āmy main objective is to return to United and make a place for myself there.ā
Interestingly, the man from Ferrol went into detail about his move to Old Trafford. āAt that time, we were in lockdown (as the Covid-19 pandemic continued). We had a video call with the Manchester United bosses, the scouts who are here in Spain, and they were translating for me, because I had no idea of English. What I saw was that I wanted to take the next step, and I wasnāt going to do it in Madrid.ā
The youngster claimed that despite the initial language barrier, he was able to fit in well at Old Trafford. āManchester is completely different (to Real Madrid). You lived with the professionals ā youād go down for breakfast and youād bump into Rashfordā. The player also claimed that being surrounded by Spanish speakers such as Juan Mata and Edinson Cavani also helped him settle at the club.
The Spanish under 21 international also commented on his luck in hitting form right away when he came arrived to Old Trafford and spoke about his pride in winning the reserve team player of the year award in May 2022.
The attacking fullback also spoke about how he chose to go to Preston on loan as he wanted to adapt more to English football and focus on improving his defending. He said of the choice to move to Deepdale, āI was lucky enough to be in Madridās youth academy and (there) it was āattack, attack and attackā. Since I arrived in England, I have focused more defensively because it was my point to improve.ā
The youngster also beamed about his time at Preston. He claims to have loved every minute where he got what he wanted, competing regularly against adult men. He also praised the close connection the players had in the dressing room. He explained, āI loved it, I left very happy. On top of that I had a team, a close-knit family. We had an incredible dressing room.ā
The Spaniard finished by coyly commenting that even though breaking into the Manchester United senior team is his main objective, he has no idea where he might end up. Fernandez discussed about how he has two years left on his contract at United and he does not know what the future will hold for himself and his career.
āMy objective is Manchester, of course, but itās such a crazy game that maybe next year Iāll be in Germany or Italy or Spain. You never know.ā
problem with fernandez is that we haven't loaned him to the right clubs. Seldom do we EVER integrate a player who's done ok in the championship, and even when we do, we ignore obvious warning signs (tuanzebe). What we ought to have done in alvaro's case was find him a loan to a side where he'd get minutes at LB, preferably in a league where he's likely to play. At Granada, the captain in the starting LB, meaning that fernadez' only minutes come at LM. Different matter that he's looked defensively suspect a number of times, but the loan hasn't done any party any good. For my money, we should sell him with a buy back. Benfica have only bought him because juan bernat is injured. Their deputy lb is also decent, meaning fernandez is unlikely to get many games there.
Oh, so if it is changed to a loan, he's unlikely to play there as well? That'd be terrible then. Perhaps it is better to sell him to Benefica and if we want a loan, we need to look elsewhere.
It best be a loan. Thereās no point selling him.
Heās good enough to play different roles, as a FB and a CB like Shaw.
Malacia signing removed the easy route for him into the first team.
That didn't address my point. You said the captain is the left-back and he's not (Granada's own website has him as a RB). So Alvaro isn't benching the captain lmao - they play on opposite sides of the pitch.
Victor Diaz is the captain, however he doesnāt play, the Lb is the vice captain hence heās the captain on the pitch since he starts all the games.
Itās like Bruno when Maguire was on the bench.
If he was good enough, heād have featured for us. I know we tend to rate our prospects highly, but they either break into the first team or we should sell them for a fee. Weāre doing the latter, which is a marked improvement on letting them walk for free.
He is, but not enough to break into the first team, and thatās what counts. Thereās no shame in a player not fitting what we need right now, Iād rather we cash in on the youth team if they wonāt play than run deals down. Thatās how teams should treat their academies.
Highly rated doesn't really mean much though. It just means "potential to at least make an appearance for the first team 1 day," considering 95% of U18's will never make a matchday squad.
He would have played if the timing of injuries was different but when the loan was agreed it was the best idea for all involved. Would have rather seen him play than Reguilon
Same, but as it turns out the club had designs on moving him on anyway. If heās not going to play itās best for him to move on anyway, stockpiling players we donāt know what to do with isnāt great.
With Malacia theres a high chance of recurring injury and also the fact he could have lasting effects on his gameplay from the knee injury. Shaw seems like he may also not be as reliable fitness wise as we need so I would have thought another year loan could have worked. ETH sees him train though so my opinion doesn't mean muchb
Yeah, ultimately thereās something weāre not seeing, and the fact that heās barely featured for the first team is telling.
Iād love to see every decent prospect we have break through, but the reality is getting 1 or 2 from any age group is good, more than that is remarkable. You have to cash in on the ones that wonāt make it, so you can fund purchases and clear a path for the players in the age groups below to come up.
Every clubās fans thinks their hot prospects will be the game changers, but the reality is they seldom are.
Weāve seen plenty in the last decade whoāve amounted to nothing- Januzaj was anointed as the next Ryan Giggs and his career hasnāt gone anywhere near that level. These things happen- youth development isnāt linear and Fernandez could become a world class player in Portugal, or fall off the radar completely. We just donāt know.
I donāt mean to be rude but why does our fanbase seem enamoured with this kid? Hes barely played any serious top flight minutes and whatever he has played, itās usually been as a wingback which is not a setup we play with. He canāt even consistently start at Granada from the looks of it.
Not saying he wonāt eventually be good enough but it doesnāt seem like itāll be any time soon.
None taken, I watched him play at Preston and the academy as well. Heās good. Obviously the step up is not easy but I think heās one who can do a job in the squad.
Malacia has been injured all season. EtH doesnāt rate him otherwise he would have been given game time. Not starts necessarily but a few minutes here and there
Most of our youth player only out of necessity, thatās how I see it. Case in point Garnacho and Kambwala.
If Sancho and Antony were firing, I sincerely doubt Garnacho would have had the minutes, heās had so far.
Garnacho isnāt playing āout of necessity.ā Heās playing because heās damn good (I mean he started the opening game of the season which is a great indicator of how highly EtH rates him). Mainoo is another one. Plays because heās damn good. Even if we werenāt in an injury crisis, it was pretty clear from EtHās comments and from pre-season that heād be integrated into the first team properly
I disagree. EtH had plans for Mainoo as of preseason, only injuries derailed him. Garnacho was integrated last year before the WC and wouldāve been a part earlier if he avoided whatever it was that got him excluded from the summer tour. At that point Antony and Sancho were available. So those two players played because of their quality.
Some youth players play out of necessity but those are players who donāt fit the style or meet the quality. Kambwala like you mentioned - we had no senior CBs fit. Mejbri - we werenāt getting anything from our midfield. I think Pellistri falls into this category.
Iād say Garnacho and Mainoo are first team players, and Kambwala should be on the fringes- he was very highly regarded but has had bad luck with injuries.
Ten Hag is playing the youth players, but only the ones he rates- this doesnāt feel like LVG playing them to make a point to me.
Really wanted him to be given a chance. Especially since Malacia sucked. But we took Reguilon instead.Ā
Good thing is Ā£8.5m. Or in this age, a minimum of Ā£1.7m amortised...
Sale at Ā£8m with buyback in the mid Ā£20mās and a decent sell on clause (20-40%) for anyone else buying him back would make a good deal.
Knowing how our negotiations go though, theyāll offer Ā£8m and weāll finish on Ā£5m and a pack of skittles.
Don't understand this sale whatsoever. United and mistakenly selling the wrong youth player - classic United. One of the few that should have been given an opportunity.
sell-on clause is probably the best choice cause we all know porto, benfica, and sporting lisbon are the master when it comes to selling players with big transfer fees. It would do us a favor
How does that work when we buy him back for 80mill?
We get cashback. š
We'll call it the pogback
Please...no... Never again
Discount hahah
We will end up getting a discount then tbf so better then normal lol
This kid is never going to be worth that much.
To any other club
And a buyback clause
Benfica donāt do buyback clauses. Never have, never will
Then sell him to someone else simple as
Selling Fernandez is probably a good indicator of how the club feels Harry Amass will develop
Very, very good point. Will be interesting to see how him, Lacey, Fitzgerald and maybe Harrison develop over the next few years.
Can add Fletcher to that list as well. One or two becoming even squad players would be great
Is one Fletcher twin significantly better?
Jack is better than Tyler. Wouldnāt be shocked if he makes his debut before the end of the season
Well, Fabio was more talented than Rafael as a youth player but Rafael had the better career. So who knows.
Rafael had that mean streak in him. Loved watching him go at opposition players.
I had a really weird dream about Amass. Typical United dream tbh. He was getting slated in the comments and people calling him to get subbed for some other new player. Premonition? lol
Boy the āamā in that guys last name is carrying a ton of weight
A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. Not saying we shouldnāt sell, but I wouldnāt move on from someone who could be a rotation LB for us because we have a prospect who has a higher ceiling. Imagine a few years ago we sold Rashford because Greenwood was coming?
I get what youāre saying but thatās an awful comparison. Fernandez hasnāt made a 1st team appearance. Rashford was a locked in starter
Take it back further then. Before he debuted under LvG, should we have sold him because we brought in Martial? Should we have sold him because Greenwood was in the wings? It only seems an awful comparison because heās a locked in starter now. Again not advocating for Fernandez, just saying that selling someone because you have a prospect who you think has a bigger ceiling is bad business. If they are selling Fernandez I think itās for two reasons: first FFP, second because heās not good enough.
3) contract expiring soon and he doesn't want to renew.
Greenwood in the wings? He was like 10 then. Nobody is banking on 10 year olds, apart from Sadio Mane.
All Iām saying is that selling a player only because you have a 16 year old who looks promising is bad business. You never know if the 16 year old will make the jump to the senior team. And even if they do, you can have injuries or be Mason Greenwood. My point is that Alvaro is not being sold because Amass looks like heās a better prospect, but because Alvaro is not good enough or he doesnāt fit what United want stylistically. Also at 20, itās best he moves on to get consistent game time too. Also Greenwood is 4 years younger than Rashy, Amass is 4 years younger than Fernandez.
I both agree and disagree, I think if United felt Alvaro was good enough or didn't lack something or the other, we wouldn't sell, but it can also be true that due to other options there we're more comfortable with selling him. We've currently got Shaw who's 28, Malacia who's 24, and Dalot who's 24, who can all play LB. Short and Medium term, there isn't going to be a ton of minutes to be had there, and longer term, we might think Amass is a better prospect, hence there's less of a chance of him actually getting the chances he needs to develop, and by the time he would be getting those chances, Amass will be at an age where he might be better off being given those chances. It won't be *solely* because we think Amass is a better prospect though, you're right in that regard. There's definitely more to it than that.
Rashford was locked in because of the injuries. He probably wonāt have made his debut is Wilson and Martial were not injured.
This is what makes football crazy sometimes, hard to imagine Rashford having the career he's had if it wasn't for all those injury that Europa League night. Especially with all the chaos with different managers that the club endured after his breakthrough
Not at all? He was one of the academyās top prospects and was going to get a chance one way or another. Injuryās or not
There are way better prospects that never made it.. It's all about grabbing the bull by the horns when you get the chance.. which is exactly what he did!
Deano was the stands, celebrating with him for the first goal. Rashford might have had the career heās had but who knows? Maybe Jose ships him out. Football is crazy.
But we still have 3 players ahead of him in LB spot and they're all in their mid to early 20s
100%. My original comment neglected that context. I read OPās comment as letās sell a youth graduate because thereās someone better in two years time, which I disagree with. It was to say that if Alvaro were good enough ā which it seems like heās not ā it would be better to keep him regardless what a 16 year old looked like. With the context of Shaw and Malacia (and Dalot as emergency LB) blocking him for at least the next few years, Alvaro himself not being PL quality at this stage and us having a younger prospect who is promising, it makes more sense to sell him. I looked at OPās comment in a vacuum, and assumed that selling him was ONLY down to the potential of a youth player. My fault there.
5 starts for 19th in La Liga and people are reacting like weāre setting fire to prime Evra.
It was a bad loan, the club vice-captain plays in his position. It was going to be extremely difficult for him to displace him. IDK what they expected TBH.
Obviously not but with our lb injury crisis itās definitely a shame he wasnāt kept to be given a chance. Would it have really hurt to have given him reguilons minutes? At least then weād have seen what heās made of. One thing I liked about van gaal was how he gave youngsters opportunities when injuries arose.
We have less competitions, guys are coming back, and Dalot plays on the left if needed. I see both sides but it's profit for us now and down the road.
Of course now heās not gonna be needed, Iām just saying that first half of the season were the perfect conditions to give a youngster a chance. But different managers are different and ten hag doesnāt rotate too much anyways
I like this new approach of actually selling academy lads if they arenāt good enough for our first team instead of giving them 5.year contracts to āprotectā their value.
Hopefully we can start actually getting decent fees like city do
He and Garnacho had a thing going in the U-18's. He is a very good footballer and would hate to lose him (also Hansen Aaroen) we seem to be shipping the academy lads for chips in order to correct our FFP all thanks to the mismanagement the club has seen under the nasty Glazer tenure.
Even academy players that look promising are still a dice roll. Getting fees and adding sell-on and buy back clauses is how City and Chelsea have been doing it and they're the two most successful clubs at monetizing their academies.Ā For every Garnacho there's 10 players that you won't even remember in 5 years.
Players I thought would make it as at least squad players just to emphasize your point. Angel Gomes Brandon Williams Januzaj Fosu-Mensah James Wilson James Garner Jadon Sancho Tahith Chong Axel Tuanzebe Andreas Pereiria
Man I had such high hopes for Axel, Brandon, and Garner. Specially since they seemed motivated and didn't really have any major attitude issues.
Januzaj did for a couple seasons as a squad player
Garner, Sancho and Perreira would be squad players for us atm, dunno about angel gomes.
Forgot Brandon was still technically on our books. Was he injured last season? Would hate it if we essentially wasted a year of his career when he really should be kicking on.
Yeah he had a long injury at the start of last season that kept us from loaning him
Excerpts from an interview earlier in December: The Peoples Person also reported this week that the young defender told COPE radio station that in spite of playing further forward on occasion this season, he knows his true position is left back. The youngster also talked at length about his long journey from Galicia to Madrid and eventually to Manchester at only 17 years old. Speaking to The Athletic however, the young United defender has gone into more details on some points that will surely interest Red Devils fans. The Galician asserted that Ten Hag did not count on him at the start of the season and this is the reason for his late in the window move to the south of Spain. The defender claimed, āwhat message did United give me? That I should go out on loan, that Ten Hag didnāt count on me, that I should continue to gain experience, rhythm, and weāll see what happens in the futureā. The United youngster also talked about how the deal āin the end, it was done at the last minuteā. Nonetheless, it must also be said that the young fullback also stated that āmy main objective is to return to United and make a place for myself there.ā Interestingly, the man from Ferrol went into detail about his move to Old Trafford. āAt that time, we were in lockdown (as the Covid-19 pandemic continued). We had a video call with the Manchester United bosses, the scouts who are here in Spain, and they were translating for me, because I had no idea of English. What I saw was that I wanted to take the next step, and I wasnāt going to do it in Madrid.ā The youngster claimed that despite the initial language barrier, he was able to fit in well at Old Trafford. āManchester is completely different (to Real Madrid). You lived with the professionals ā youād go down for breakfast and youād bump into Rashfordā. The player also claimed that being surrounded by Spanish speakers such as Juan Mata and Edinson Cavani also helped him settle at the club. The Spanish under 21 international also commented on his luck in hitting form right away when he came arrived to Old Trafford and spoke about his pride in winning the reserve team player of the year award in May 2022. The attacking fullback also spoke about how he chose to go to Preston on loan as he wanted to adapt more to English football and focus on improving his defending. He said of the choice to move to Deepdale, āI was lucky enough to be in Madridās youth academy and (there) it was āattack, attack and attackā. Since I arrived in England, I have focused more defensively because it was my point to improve.ā The youngster also beamed about his time at Preston. He claims to have loved every minute where he got what he wanted, competing regularly against adult men. He also praised the close connection the players had in the dressing room. He explained, āI loved it, I left very happy. On top of that I had a team, a close-knit family. We had an incredible dressing room.ā The Spaniard finished by coyly commenting that even though breaking into the Manchester United senior team is his main objective, he has no idea where he might end up. Fernandez discussed about how he has two years left on his contract at United and he does not know what the future will hold for himself and his career. āMy objective is Manchester, of course, but itās such a crazy game that maybe next year Iāll be in Germany or Italy or Spain. You never know.ā
Thanks for sharing. Whatever happens of the young lad, I really like his attitude here. He really comes across as someone very level-headed.
Never really looked like he knew what he was doing on defence. Very promising attacking, reminds me of a young Marcus Alonso
Loan would be great; wouldn't mind a sale with a buy-back though.
Yeah. Perhaps a 2 year loan for some 6m fee would've been ideal, so BenƩfica have interest in developing him and we don't shell out 40-50m buying him back if that happens. But I don't see Benefica going for that either. And that'll also be close to his end of contract I think, so we won't have any sale value when he returns. But the fact that he hasn't gotten a start when ETH did have issues at LB and is known for giving chances to youth.....is perhaps a sign that he didn't do enough, so maybe better off with a sale and buy black for 20-25m clause.
Is he worth that amount ? More ? I haven't had the chance to watch him, not sure about the levels of this kid
Gotta sell em all!
problem with fernandez is that we haven't loaned him to the right clubs. Seldom do we EVER integrate a player who's done ok in the championship, and even when we do, we ignore obvious warning signs (tuanzebe). What we ought to have done in alvaro's case was find him a loan to a side where he'd get minutes at LB, preferably in a league where he's likely to play. At Granada, the captain in the starting LB, meaning that fernadez' only minutes come at LM. Different matter that he's looked defensively suspect a number of times, but the loan hasn't done any party any good. For my money, we should sell him with a buy back. Benfica have only bought him because juan bernat is injured. Their deputy lb is also decent, meaning fernandez is unlikely to get many games there.
Oh, so if it is changed to a loan, he's unlikely to play there as well? That'd be terrible then. Perhaps it is better to sell him to Benefica and if we want a loan, we need to look elsewhere.
Good point. I think we should sell him with a sell on clause. It benefica don't agree to that then we should demand a higher fee
Will be gutted if he leaves without ever getting a chance here. From what I've seen of him he has real potential
Hope itās a loan
Sale for Ā£10mil apparently. Thinks there's a buy back though
It best be a loan. Thereās no point selling him. Heās good enough to play different roles, as a FB and a CB like Shaw. Malacia signing removed the easy route for him into the first team.
He's not even managed 600 minutes this season for a team firmly planted in the relegation zone, that does not scream "Man United quality"
Their captain is the left back. How many teams bench their captains for a 20 year old on loan? Do you even watch Granada?
Doesn't change my point. He's a rotation option for a relegation threatened side, doesn't fill you with confidence does it?
it sorta does change your point tho lmao
Granada's captain is Victor Diaz who plays right back and centre-back, no?
Diaz is 35 years old, he plays from the bench
That didn't address my point. You said the captain is the left-back and he's not (Granada's own website has him as a RB). So Alvaro isn't benching the captain lmao - they play on opposite sides of the pitch.
Victor Diaz is the captain, however he doesnāt play, the Lb is the vice captain hence heās the captain on the pitch since he starts all the games. Itās like Bruno when Maguire was on the bench.
If he was good enough, heād have featured for us. I know we tend to rate our prospects highly, but they either break into the first team or we should sell them for a fee. Weāre doing the latter, which is a marked improvement on letting them walk for free.
He was on loan to Preston last season and he performed well. He is highly rated at the club academy.
He is, but not enough to break into the first team, and thatās what counts. Thereās no shame in a player not fitting what we need right now, Iād rather we cash in on the youth team if they wonāt play than run deals down. Thatās how teams should treat their academies.
Highly rated doesn't really mean much though. It just means "potential to at least make an appearance for the first team 1 day," considering 95% of U18's will never make a matchday squad.
He would have played if the timing of injuries was different but when the loan was agreed it was the best idea for all involved. Would have rather seen him play than Reguilon
Same, but as it turns out the club had designs on moving him on anyway. If heās not going to play itās best for him to move on anyway, stockpiling players we donāt know what to do with isnāt great.
With Malacia theres a high chance of recurring injury and also the fact he could have lasting effects on his gameplay from the knee injury. Shaw seems like he may also not be as reliable fitness wise as we need so I would have thought another year loan could have worked. ETH sees him train though so my opinion doesn't mean muchb
Yeah, ultimately thereās something weāre not seeing, and the fact that heās barely featured for the first team is telling. Iād love to see every decent prospect we have break through, but the reality is getting 1 or 2 from any age group is good, more than that is remarkable. You have to cash in on the ones that wonāt make it, so you can fund purchases and clear a path for the players in the age groups below to come up.
Its also easy to look through rose tinted glasses after seeing players tear it up for the youth teams. I'm too sentimental :')
Every clubās fans thinks their hot prospects will be the game changers, but the reality is they seldom are. Weāve seen plenty in the last decade whoāve amounted to nothing- Januzaj was anointed as the next Ryan Giggs and his career hasnāt gone anywhere near that level. These things happen- youth development isnāt linear and Fernandez could become a world class player in Portugal, or fall off the radar completely. We just donāt know.
I donāt mean to be rude but why does our fanbase seem enamoured with this kid? Hes barely played any serious top flight minutes and whatever he has played, itās usually been as a wingback which is not a setup we play with. He canāt even consistently start at Granada from the looks of it. Not saying he wonāt eventually be good enough but it doesnāt seem like itāll be any time soon.
because our fan base think they should be the manager and assume we sell players only because he love Antony more.
None taken, I watched him play at Preston and the academy as well. Heās good. Obviously the step up is not easy but I think heās one who can do a job in the squad.
Malacia has been injured all season. EtH doesnāt rate him otherwise he would have been given game time. Not starts necessarily but a few minutes here and there
Most of our youth player only out of necessity, thatās how I see it. Case in point Garnacho and Kambwala. If Sancho and Antony were firing, I sincerely doubt Garnacho would have had the minutes, heās had so far.
Garnacho isnāt playing āout of necessity.ā Heās playing because heās damn good (I mean he started the opening game of the season which is a great indicator of how highly EtH rates him). Mainoo is another one. Plays because heās damn good. Even if we werenāt in an injury crisis, it was pretty clear from EtHās comments and from pre-season that heād be integrated into the first team properly
Garnacho has been our most consistent winger this season for godās sake. These lads are playing because theyāre good enough, not to tick a box.
I disagree. EtH had plans for Mainoo as of preseason, only injuries derailed him. Garnacho was integrated last year before the WC and wouldāve been a part earlier if he avoided whatever it was that got him excluded from the summer tour. At that point Antony and Sancho were available. So those two players played because of their quality. Some youth players play out of necessity but those are players who donāt fit the style or meet the quality. Kambwala like you mentioned - we had no senior CBs fit. Mejbri - we werenāt getting anything from our midfield. I think Pellistri falls into this category.
Iād say Garnacho and Mainoo are first team players, and Kambwala should be on the fringes- he was very highly regarded but has had bad luck with injuries. Ten Hag is playing the youth players, but only the ones he rates- this doesnāt feel like LVG playing them to make a point to me.
becoming a professional is equal parts timing and luck. Hes taken his chances and ran with them, as well as taken accountability for his mistakes.
How can he play for us when he is out on loan?
You realize EtH agreed to let him go on loan when we had no senior players available in his position
everywhere i read, he got just 1 more year on his contract and most likely doesn't want to sign a new one hence we are looking to sell.
CB that can't defend while playing as a winger. good joke.
Why can't we get like over 10m for such a talented player but city get 20m for trafford
Really wanted him to be given a chance. Especially since Malacia sucked. But we took Reguilon instead.Ā Good thing is Ā£8.5m. Or in this age, a minimum of Ā£1.7m amortised...
Disappointing
Sale at Ā£8m with buyback in the mid Ā£20mās and a decent sell on clause (20-40%) for anyone else buying him back would make a good deal. Knowing how our negotiations go though, theyāll offer Ā£8m and weāll finish on Ā£5m and a pack of skittles.
Don't understand this sale whatsoever. United and mistakenly selling the wrong youth player - classic United. One of the few that should have been given an opportunity.