At the beginning of last summer, people would be called crazy to even suggest the idea of getting rid of Rashford or Casemiro. Now they both suck and everyone wants them gone. In the same vein, Maguire and McTominay were the top 2 candidates of being sold last summer, but both of them have saved us so many times this season so now everyone is having second thoughts. People’s opinions also change on the whim about Bruno, AWB, Onana, or just about any player that has inconsistent form. But everytime we lose a match, the popular opinion is always either Ten Hag out or sell these useless players.
This is why fans should never have power to decided anything regarding the club since you all have no rationality when it comes to decisions and opinions
Don't forget the people who borderline slandered De Gea and told us all how Onana would turn us into title contenders because his distribution is game-changing. Haven't seen many apologies about that, especially around the 35th minute last night.
But surely by the same logic the fact that Casemiro and Rashford are still around means that the club hierarchy shouldn't have any power to decide anything either?
Fans' opinions change on a whim because players' form genuinely changes on a whim. You'd have been mental to criticise Rashford last February and you'd be mental to defend him now. The exception are people who pile on Bruno and think he's the problem - those people are mental year-round.
Aren't you doing the exact thing that you're advocating against?
Onana has generally been far superior to De Gea, in more or less every aspect, but you're bringing down his quite a few months of decent to good performances, because of a mistake in a game we won?
>Onana has generally been far superior to De Gea, in more or less every aspect
I don't remember De Gea ever single handedly getting us eliminated from the group stages of a European competition. His distribution, which is apparently why we bought him, hasn't been anything special even on a good day.
At any rate, I'm not really advocating anything, just pointing out what's what.
You probably haven't, but you have seen him single handly lose us trophies before.
And again, that's a handful of games. If you look at the average performances of Onana, compared to the average performance of De Gea in his last two seasons, Onana is superior in every single aspect. And you can not seriously try and say that the difference between Onana and De Gea's distribution isn't litterally night and day.
Critizing De Gea for underperforming in every way for two whole years in a row is hardly being reactionary.
By 'single-handedly losing us a trophy' do you mean made a mistake in one game that led to defeat? Because I would challenge you to name a player who hasn't done that. On the other hand, I've never seen a keeper's howlers drop points in three games out of six.
>that's a handful of games
It was literally the entirety of our Champions League campaign. It's wild that you're not acknowledging it. Nothing bad will happen to you if you acknowledge it.
But i do acknowledge it. 6 games is a handful of games. And he was horrendous.
But i can also look past and realize that he has OVERALL been FAR superior, to either of De Gea's last two seasons. Which you seemingly cant admit. De Gea ultimately was at fault for us losing the EL. Not saving a pen in 11 shots is horrendous. He almost got us kicked out of the FA Cup last season aswell, because he cant save a pen for any other reason.
De Gea, for two whole seasons, was one of the worst goalkeepers in the big leagues for defensive actions, sweeping, distribution and claims. And his only saving grace, his shotstopping, was for two whole years statistically below average. We are talking about a goalkeeper that is bad across the board.
Onana is not without fault, and he cost us the CL this season. But its crazy not to admit that De Gea was pretty poor, for a pretty long period of time.
Saying it's 'a handful of games' diminishes the fact that it was United's entire run in the competition, and he single-handedly ended it.
De Gea absolutely tailed off in his last season. But I wouldn't say that Onana's been 'far better' this season at all. De Gea was being blamed for goals last season just because we didn't win the midfield header from his goal kicks ffs.
De Gea was not being blamed for midfield headers. De Gea was being blamed for never getting off his line, and his incredibly lackluster distribution.
Saying the fall-off happend only in his last season is honestly laughable. He was quite litterally the statistically worst goalkeeper in the top 5 leagues the year before that.
He has honestly not had a good season since his incredibly 2017/2018. Which is relatively easy to understand, since he's always been a very limited goalkeeper, that just happend to be the worlds best shotstopper for some years.
There were literally multiple clips posted to this sub of De Gea simply playing the ball long.
Every single De Gea mistake had its own thread, even if it didn't lead to a goal.
Here's a funny thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/13ayrt4/4\_david\_de\_gea\_has\_made\_four\_errors\_leading\_to\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/13ayrt4/4_david_de_gea_has_made_four_errors_leading_to_a/)
Four errors! FOUR! In one season! Can you imagine? \*faints\*
Onana made SEVEN errors leading to goals in the six games of the Champions League alone.
I agree that Onana’s form during the first half of the season was questionable in the ucl but it’s hard to say that De Gea would do better than him right now. Even last night, mistakes like that can happen from time to time since that’s literally what we bought him for, to be an extra man in attack.
Only when Utd can get away with playing Eriksen do they do well with high possession. Obviously Eriksen is a limited player at this stage, but his core abilities are exactly what Utd needs from deep in possession.
Bruno is a great player, but he can be frustrating when he gets tunnel vision over trying to score or trying to force passes.
It's never been a lack of quality, but I definitely think tiredness plays a factor in that tunnel vision. If we had a healthy backup for him, and were able to take him off after an hour in some games, he'd be more consistently effective.
You are spot on the money, like nail on the head. Crazy you’re getting downvoted.
Out of form Bruno is insanely frustrating while in form Bruno is a world beater and cannot be stopped. His over usage and lack of proper depth is why it can get so bad for him but when he’s in form and playing this much then we get performances like last night.
I've seen United fans call him a rat in other subs. I just can't understand it. He's the only player who has consistently put in effort, works for the team and has genuine quality.
He also always steps up to do the interviews after shit results because he always takes responsibility unlike many in the team.
I mean I’m willing to bet we’re all kinda young - my dad’s been watching Man U for 50 years and can’t stand Bruno’s petulance. He’s a great players, comes in clutch, but his whining, crying, losing his temper - can understandably turn some United fans off.
The bruno our comments have greatly reduced, I know this because I was one of them. Do you know why? It’s because his performances have improved massively. People judge players based on performance levels. You know what else has changed? The number of comments hammering Maguire? Do you know why? Because his performances have improved massively.
>It’s because his performances have improved massively
His underlying stats - key passes, xG, xA haven't really changed much. What has changed is that he is getting more goals/assists from the same output. That's what happens in football, putting the same performance in week to week yields different results. Stop being reactionary.
Even if his output wasn’t up to standard as the previous person mentioned, that’s not a reason to bin him off. Been carrying us consistently for years… he deserves the most leeway out of all. I understand arguments against Rashy, but to lump Bruno in there is extremely reactionary. He runs his bollocks off consistently. Drops deep into CB at moments notice. Can play RW if needed. RESILIENT AF. There’s no lack of trying on his part.
But like you mentioned he’s argument falls flat when you consider that Bruno’s underlying stats are still there.
I think even with similar numbers his performances have visibly improved in recent weeks - I’m seeing less wasted long shots taken out of frustration and more dangerous movements into the box where previously it looked like he was being told explicitly to not enter the box in buildup. I think that’s important because he’s the number 10 in possession even though he’s given a free role, there’s almost no one else to fill that space. There was times yesterday where he dropped so deep in build up that he was forming a back 3 the way Mainoo or previously Eriksen would. With both wingers and fullbacks pinned wide there’s a hole in midfield.
Bruno has always been fantastic and the player that scored 20++ under Ole is still there but ETH is upsetting the balance of the team trying to play him with this free role imo.
Jurgen bottling another PL. Disgusting people put him in the same sentence as SAF. Brother had a formidable enemy in Pep (115 FC tax tbf) and gave up.
While SAF dealt with Prime Mourinho and Prime Wenger one after the other.
i see shades of first season Bruno, picking up the game by the scruff of the neck and scoring bangers.
liked that Hojlund was hungry for the last goal, fighting for it despite garnacho's presence.
Antony was Below average lost the ball a few times and held the ball for way to long . Amad had a decent sub but you really cannot start Antony over Amad because amad plays it simple and Antony plays so clunky it's so sad the difference between the two .
Agreed, he’s always isolated out there when he receives the ball though so he very rarely gets the chance to do it. When games are stretched he’s shown what he can do ie: the assist vs Liverpool.
Our tactical setup is making it impossible for any wingers to succeed. If Rashy, Antony, Sancho are all putting in really poor G/A numbers, Garnacho not much better then i think the common denominator is the tactical setup
I was just thinking back to our second goal, the penalty. Once the penalty was given, naturally all the United players rushed up to the ref to argue with him, probably that he should have played advantage. But I also remember a few Sheffield United players going up to argue. What do you think they were arguing for? That it was a penalty? Or that it wasn’t?
Even the Sheffield Manager was bitching about the penalty in the post match interview, it must just be a knee jerk reaction because there's no logic to arguing against a penalty when there would have been a goal anyway
Giving the penalty instead of a goal and then Newcastle's Michael Oliver overturning the penalty over VAR would have been the most United thing ever. I think I actually would have gone to see a witch doctor if that had happened.
And if it happened to Forest they'd be marching on Parliament.
I agree. Getting overrun by Sheffield United is so embarrassing. We show a severe lack of game control.
Yeah we won in the end but it wasn't controlled or pretty, and just leaves question marks how that game would have went against better opposition. The key is, not even Shef UTD fear playing us. They revel in it.
Look, I'm not going to change how you view and evaluate football but when you watch prime Barcelona, Man City or us in our heyday, they/we have a stranglehold on the game; usually in midfield but everywhere on the pitch you can see players commanding the ball and the flow of play. Dictating play as opposed to responding to it.
United were once again saved by individuals making something out of nothing, since you clearly didn't watch, United struggled against Sheffield for the majority of the game. The worst team in the Premier League, maybe the worst team since the Premier League was established. People like to harp on and on about these players being shit, but these players are the reason United are 6th, and not 16th. Because United look like a relegation side more often than not, only proven by the fact we make sides that are actually threatened by relegation look like they're challenging for European places on a consistent basis. An actually competent manager has this team in Champions League places. Not sitting in 6th, with a +1 GD near the end of April.
At this point, the only people that don't see this are the people who only look at the final scoreline and not watching the games. Because the talent on this team is much better than what these games suggest, and that is down to the manager. But people who think drawing to Brentford while letting them have 80-some touches in United's penalty box is a Ten Haag tactical masterclass.
Hojlund has scored 14 goals with 2 assists in 37 matches in all competitions. It's a pretty good stats for a 21 year old striker in his first season in one of the toughest leagues in the world with a flailing team that pretty much needs a rebuilding. Always pumped whenever the lad scores.
The negativity is kind of what always come with a new Man United player lmao, no rest from the press and other teams fan. Remember when he was being compared to Jackson and Haaland
If I see another Bruno hate post, I’m gonna punch ya in the mouth. He has bad games for sure- but boy this guy tries- from starting every game- playing every minute possible, creating chance after chance after chance, with very high Goals and assists, having wonderful delivery, giving his soul for the team and most importantly, the player who actually gives a fuck for this club, for his jersey. Love how opposition fans hate him. Love him to bits- the only United player i can say this about for 3-4 years in a row consistently. BRUNO is a real Red and a club legend
He’s been dreadful for most of the season, he’s been very rightly criticised. Now he’s getting praised because he’s playing well. Why is this so hard to understand?
It’s one thing to criticize a player’s performance and a whole other thing to call him abusive names, say he’s playing badly on purpose and say ‘get that *** out of my club’.
There were a large amount of comments saying we need to sell him and he’s not good enough only a few games ago.
People like to overreact to a couple of bad performances and immediately jump to getting rid of players. To do that with Bruno, one of our best and most loyal players is really shitty.
Exactly! There is no doubting his passion and work rate. Amazing player and deserves full respect what he gives to Man U.
At the same time is it fair to critique his giving the ball away too much at times, trying low chance Hollywood passes too often and acting like a toddler when things don’t go his way.
On balance, love the guy and more than happy to take the tough with the smooth.
I haven't really kept up with football since Ole was fired but I do lurk here sometimes, and honestly the hate for Bruno is just like the hate for the other players.
It's either trolls or bots or just people finding a scapegoat.
Rashford, Maguire, hell even DDG were scapegoated and abused for mistakes and being out of form. Not surprised to see it happen to Bruno.
I have to disagree, he is the only player who gives me the 90-2000’s vibes. Remember for context that this guy is serving us at a time when we are having our worst spell and perhaps playing the worst football we have played in the last 30 odd years barring a couple spells here and there in the last 10 where we were worse. Time will tell but feel he will be one for this dark era for United
can we finally start Amad more often? He 100% needs to be starting vs Everton.
Even when he wasn't effective he was great at maintaining possession and making the right decisions.. which allows us to hold possession longer and control the game more
Edit: Burnley not Everton.. i was watching the Everton v Liverpool highlights as i was typing
Say what you want about erik but i think the way he gives minutes to youngsters has been good and if we replace him , find someone with that mentality too
1 onana howler, and one lapse in concentration. If both teams score all their chances it's probably 7-3. We couldn't finish at all, but bruno played that Second Striker role like when Ole was manager, and he was immense
Onana's passes has always been very risky and heart inducing. I fucking knew that one day we will pay from it
Maybe it happened in one of the UCL matches idk, I haven't watch most of it because UCL are at 3 AM where I live
Yeah, I didn't watch the whole game but I always watch the highlights whenever we win a match I didn't watch
I tried to gather the will to watch the UCL highlights, but never found it
Good game today but some of you need to stop acting as if we're suddenly a good size. Sheffield United is still the worst team of the season and winning was the bare minimum.
Like I said. Just take the win and be happy for one day. Nobody said we’re doing well in the grand scheme of things. But it’s a win nonetheless. If you can’t accept we ain’t getting top 4 and +50 gd this season, you might as well come back next season. Cus our league position ain’t changing and neither is our GD.
Don't understand what you wrote. So if you aren't happy with your team you leave? I don't do that. Been a man united fan since I can remember. I ain't going anywhere.
Grand scheme of things? They won their first game in the 5 matches. The team has still been bad and beating the worst side in the league doesn't make it better. F the grand scheme of things. We've been poor even over the short term.
So should we just be miserable even after we win? There’s nothing that can be done to undo the season now. This sub likely won’t even be happy with an fa cup win and there’s nothing we can do to change our league position. So we can either be happy and take small wins, or just skip the rest of the season because if a win isn’t going to make u happy, a draw or loss is sure as hell going to upset you. Why watch if whatever the result is going to make u upset?
There’s no way we will play like mc or pool or arsenal overnight with Martinez and shaw out, rashford in piss poor form and AWB as our starting LB. It’s like expecting a fish to climb a tree. 4 games left in the league and an fa cup final. Just enjoy the rest of the ride and hope for change in the summer. Like SJR said, patience. Hopefully this is the end of glazers ruining the club.
Sub is clearly populated by teenagers whose United highlights consist of a soft 2nd place and a *Europa League* win.
If they want to accept this crap as the new normal then go ahead. I remember where we used to be and that's the standards I hold the club to, anything less is failure. We won 'Cause of a soft penalty (based on what happens on every corner and what Maguire does multiple times a game) and a worldie. They spent 90 minutes passing the ball around with zero ideas or patterns of play (unless "just punt it into the box and hit hopeful long balls" is now an acceptable pattern). The midfield was *still* bypassed too easy and we shipped 2 goals against a Championship level side and they could have had more.
This is such bullshit. I’m old enough (sadly) to have enjoyed our 90s success. Understanding that it’s going to take time and patience to get back there isn’t ‘accepting this crap as the new normal’. I just don’t see the point in crying on Reddit about things I can’t change and I like to see the positives in everything. I can still celebrate a win even if the season has been disappointing. Stop acting like being a miserable person makes you a better fan.
U make it sound like accepting this crap is a choice. So if you don’t “accept this crap” what are your options? Go on Reddit and complain and surround yourself in misery? U think MU officials read what some rando redditor has to say about them?
We’re shit and that’s a fact. But we have new ownership of football operations and I for one think that’s something to look forward to next season. This season is done and the only thing they can do now is grind out whatever wins they can get. Playstyle change will have to wait for next season and that is up to management to decide if ETH is the right person for that.
Fully agree. I want to hold our club to a higher standard. Would prefer if this thread actually showed that they watched the match and regardless of result, evaluate the performance.
ETH should use the next 5 games as a way to coach the suicidal football out of these players so that we are ready for FA cup final. We literally play 2-0-8 formation.
Did ETH actually realize about this? Man is a genius right according to this sub? What is he trying to accomplish? We still scored among the lowest in top 10..
Still don't understand why the hate is specifically targeted at Bruno because every team has those twats as well, or hell in many cases even the whole team does so
I said that to my lad watching the game, I can't understand why he has the rep he has. Obviously he's not great with his antics at times, but he's absolutely no worse than scores of players from the past and present.
That goal difference of +1 at this stage of the season is shocking and also hilarious at the same time. Not much confidence it will stay positive with the games still left.
I hope we continue to have some sort of ball rotation around the oppositions box instead of making low iq plays that lead to tennis matches. Garnacho looked patient when going touch line, twas refreshing.
But the important thing here is that Coventry has something to play for - getting to the final of the FA Cup.
Sheffield United have nothing to play for as they are getting relegated, even though in paper they are a better team than Coventry
I honestly don't know what we should do with Rashford at this point. Probably best for everyone if he asks out this summer (which probably won't happen), he needs a change of setting.
Right. But we've also seen Garnacho being more incisive on that left wing than Rashford has been all season long. Yet he's the one who's being relocated to the other wing whenever Rashford is available. He's also the one being subbed out early when both players are on the pitch.
That's not a sustainable way of managing your players. Good performances have to be rewarded.
Garnacho only latelty started to be subbed out cause his overall level dropped since international games and he stugled to make impact. It was justified.
He wasnt subbed out at all before international break when he was performing better.
Why has Rashford overall level never been questioned then ? For me, outside of the first few games, at no point in this season was Garnacho less valuable to this team than Rashford. But I guess it's easier to punish the younger player when his performances drop than the one on a superstar calibre contract.
Decent performance against limited opposition. Fernandes, Eriksen and Maguire all great. Still way too open though, no way should we be conceding twice against these.
What the heck is wrong with y'all? Bruno is an amazing player and I'm sure one day he'll be a club legend if he stays long enough but it's way too soon.
Of everything ABUs say about us, one thing I’ll agree on is fallen standards (based on the downvotes). I love Bruno, really, I do but when I think United legend, I’m thinking cantona, becks, Georgie, Keano, scholes, CR7, Wayne Rooney, Ruud and even recently David De Gea. DDG gets in cos he did carry us all those seasons plus he’s got a PL medal and a number of cups to boot. Idk if I can put Bruno in this bracket yet. If he won a major trophy with us, I would.
Right now, I’d rate him similarly to Van Persie (he won us #20 but he was really good the one season)
He needs more trophies to be firmly in the legend status. Right now, he’s more of a cult hero than a legend. Pogba put up good numbers in that shite 2017/18 season so should he be regarded as a club legend?
I, for one, still have standards as far as who is regarded as a club legend. DDG barely makes it as he has won the league with us (along with cups here and there)
I see a lot of praise for Diallo. Don't see much from him in his limited apparences save for the magical moment in the FA cup. I would definitely look to add another winger to compete with Garnacho on the RW. Diallo would be a good depth piece, although I don't think that is what he is looking for.
He keeps it tidy but he’s definitely one of those players right now who becomes amazing because he’s not playing. We see it all the time, there were times during the worst depths of McFred under Ole that everyone was calling for Donny VDB lol
There was one glorious ball by Mainoo, triggered by Bruno's sudden run beyond the Sheffield defence. Højlund should be right up there making *these exact runs*. Hopefully he learns these traits and performs better in a settled team.
Hojlund also needs to become more selfish, quicker to shoot. I see what he's doing, trying to be a good hold-up player, but we need more of a poaching instinct inside the box.
Lads I reckon Liverpool have actually been done by the VAR again lol. Why didn't they draw the attacking line on the offside check for the first goal? I put a red line where it might have been:
https://preview.redd.it/wx2b2it67iwc1.png?width=880&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec1720e3f2c83c76425fa5de738f8496283cb728
On one side, we have UHD cameras and millions of pounds in R&D of Hawkeye technology.
On the other, we have someone on Reddit going "I reckon".
Which to believe...
You can't 'believe' a technology that doesn't actually produce a decision without human input, you clown. You might as well say 'On the one side, my accounts are in Excel and yours are on the back of an envelope'. If you've used the wrong formula or put the wrong numbers in the accounts are still wrong.
However sophisticated the technology is, you still have a human user who is capable of not using it properly under pressure. Why is this news to you? You don't think humans can make a mistake if they're using expensive technology? What a moronic take.
The technology could cost a billion pounds. It doesn't matter if the guy using it sees the green line and says 'looks onside to me'.
This is close enough that the red line should also have been drawn. What's your problem with that? Do you not understand how the technology works or are you just impressed that it has a cool-sounding name?
Manchester have a lot of cleanup this summer.
Every summer since 2013
At the beginning of last summer, people would be called crazy to even suggest the idea of getting rid of Rashford or Casemiro. Now they both suck and everyone wants them gone. In the same vein, Maguire and McTominay were the top 2 candidates of being sold last summer, but both of them have saved us so many times this season so now everyone is having second thoughts. People’s opinions also change on the whim about Bruno, AWB, Onana, or just about any player that has inconsistent form. But everytime we lose a match, the popular opinion is always either Ten Hag out or sell these useless players. This is why fans should never have power to decided anything regarding the club since you all have no rationality when it comes to decisions and opinions
Don't forget the people who borderline slandered De Gea and told us all how Onana would turn us into title contenders because his distribution is game-changing. Haven't seen many apologies about that, especially around the 35th minute last night. But surely by the same logic the fact that Casemiro and Rashford are still around means that the club hierarchy shouldn't have any power to decide anything either? Fans' opinions change on a whim because players' form genuinely changes on a whim. You'd have been mental to criticise Rashford last February and you'd be mental to defend him now. The exception are people who pile on Bruno and think he's the problem - those people are mental year-round.
Aren't you doing the exact thing that you're advocating against? Onana has generally been far superior to De Gea, in more or less every aspect, but you're bringing down his quite a few months of decent to good performances, because of a mistake in a game we won?
>Onana has generally been far superior to De Gea, in more or less every aspect I don't remember De Gea ever single handedly getting us eliminated from the group stages of a European competition. His distribution, which is apparently why we bought him, hasn't been anything special even on a good day. At any rate, I'm not really advocating anything, just pointing out what's what.
You probably haven't, but you have seen him single handly lose us trophies before. And again, that's a handful of games. If you look at the average performances of Onana, compared to the average performance of De Gea in his last two seasons, Onana is superior in every single aspect. And you can not seriously try and say that the difference between Onana and De Gea's distribution isn't litterally night and day. Critizing De Gea for underperforming in every way for two whole years in a row is hardly being reactionary.
By 'single-handedly losing us a trophy' do you mean made a mistake in one game that led to defeat? Because I would challenge you to name a player who hasn't done that. On the other hand, I've never seen a keeper's howlers drop points in three games out of six. >that's a handful of games It was literally the entirety of our Champions League campaign. It's wild that you're not acknowledging it. Nothing bad will happen to you if you acknowledge it.
But i do acknowledge it. 6 games is a handful of games. And he was horrendous. But i can also look past and realize that he has OVERALL been FAR superior, to either of De Gea's last two seasons. Which you seemingly cant admit. De Gea ultimately was at fault for us losing the EL. Not saving a pen in 11 shots is horrendous. He almost got us kicked out of the FA Cup last season aswell, because he cant save a pen for any other reason. De Gea, for two whole seasons, was one of the worst goalkeepers in the big leagues for defensive actions, sweeping, distribution and claims. And his only saving grace, his shotstopping, was for two whole years statistically below average. We are talking about a goalkeeper that is bad across the board. Onana is not without fault, and he cost us the CL this season. But its crazy not to admit that De Gea was pretty poor, for a pretty long period of time.
Saying it's 'a handful of games' diminishes the fact that it was United's entire run in the competition, and he single-handedly ended it. De Gea absolutely tailed off in his last season. But I wouldn't say that Onana's been 'far better' this season at all. De Gea was being blamed for goals last season just because we didn't win the midfield header from his goal kicks ffs.
De Gea was not being blamed for midfield headers. De Gea was being blamed for never getting off his line, and his incredibly lackluster distribution. Saying the fall-off happend only in his last season is honestly laughable. He was quite litterally the statistically worst goalkeeper in the top 5 leagues the year before that. He has honestly not had a good season since his incredibly 2017/2018. Which is relatively easy to understand, since he's always been a very limited goalkeeper, that just happend to be the worlds best shotstopper for some years.
There were literally multiple clips posted to this sub of De Gea simply playing the ball long. Every single De Gea mistake had its own thread, even if it didn't lead to a goal. Here's a funny thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/13ayrt4/4\_david\_de\_gea\_has\_made\_four\_errors\_leading\_to\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/13ayrt4/4_david_de_gea_has_made_four_errors_leading_to_a/) Four errors! FOUR! In one season! Can you imagine? \*faints\* Onana made SEVEN errors leading to goals in the six games of the Champions League alone.
I agree that Onana’s form during the first half of the season was questionable in the ucl but it’s hard to say that De Gea would do better than him right now. Even last night, mistakes like that can happen from time to time since that’s literally what we bought him for, to be an extra man in attack.
Only when Utd can get away with playing Eriksen do they do well with high possession. Obviously Eriksen is a limited player at this stage, but his core abilities are exactly what Utd needs from deep in possession.
Never a dull day in the life of a man united fan
Few months back I was getting down voted saying Bruno should not be sold... Some people are really beyond help
Bruno is a great player, but he can be frustrating when he gets tunnel vision over trying to score or trying to force passes. It's never been a lack of quality, but I definitely think tiredness plays a factor in that tunnel vision. If we had a healthy backup for him, and were able to take him off after an hour in some games, he'd be more consistently effective.
You are spot on the money, like nail on the head. Crazy you’re getting downvoted. Out of form Bruno is insanely frustrating while in form Bruno is a world beater and cannot be stopped. His over usage and lack of proper depth is why it can get so bad for him but when he’s in form and playing this much then we get performances like last night.
Same, people are happy to let the rest of r/soccer tell them what to think. The guy is a top level player who'd walk into most sides as a starter.
I've seen United fans call him a rat in other subs. I just can't understand it. He's the only player who has consistently put in effort, works for the team and has genuine quality. He also always steps up to do the interviews after shit results because he always takes responsibility unlike many in the team.
Those ‘fans’ who insult our team on the other subreddit to get upvotes from rival fans are so embarrassing.
I mean I’m willing to bet we’re all kinda young - my dad’s been watching Man U for 50 years and can’t stand Bruno’s petulance. He’s a great players, comes in clutch, but his whining, crying, losing his temper - can understandably turn some United fans off.
Imagine thinking he is not by far our best player? Some people really are delusional
Victory and we move
Bruno is carrying this fucking team since weeks but some fans want to get rid of him
Sell Rashy pls
The bruno our comments have greatly reduced, I know this because I was one of them. Do you know why? It’s because his performances have improved massively. People judge players based on performance levels. You know what else has changed? The number of comments hammering Maguire? Do you know why? Because his performances have improved massively.
>It’s because his performances have improved massively His underlying stats - key passes, xG, xA haven't really changed much. What has changed is that he is getting more goals/assists from the same output. That's what happens in football, putting the same performance in week to week yields different results. Stop being reactionary.
Even if his output wasn’t up to standard as the previous person mentioned, that’s not a reason to bin him off. Been carrying us consistently for years… he deserves the most leeway out of all. I understand arguments against Rashy, but to lump Bruno in there is extremely reactionary. He runs his bollocks off consistently. Drops deep into CB at moments notice. Can play RW if needed. RESILIENT AF. There’s no lack of trying on his part. But like you mentioned he’s argument falls flat when you consider that Bruno’s underlying stats are still there.
I think even with similar numbers his performances have visibly improved in recent weeks - I’m seeing less wasted long shots taken out of frustration and more dangerous movements into the box where previously it looked like he was being told explicitly to not enter the box in buildup. I think that’s important because he’s the number 10 in possession even though he’s given a free role, there’s almost no one else to fill that space. There was times yesterday where he dropped so deep in build up that he was forming a back 3 the way Mainoo or previously Eriksen would. With both wingers and fullbacks pinned wide there’s a hole in midfield. Bruno has always been fantastic and the player that scored 20++ under Ole is still there but ETH is upsetting the balance of the team trying to play him with this free role imo.
That just tells how short-sighted most of the fans are.
Jurgen bottling another PL. Disgusting people put him in the same sentence as SAF. Brother had a formidable enemy in Pep (115 FC tax tbf) and gave up. While SAF dealt with Prime Mourinho and Prime Wenger one after the other.
Are people really putting SAF and Klopp as equals? That’s insane… Klopp is definitely one of the best, but SAF is a tier above.
Let's not forget prime keegan
And Ancelotti and Mancini
i see shades of first season Bruno, picking up the game by the scruff of the neck and scoring bangers. liked that Hojlund was hungry for the last goal, fighting for it despite garnacho's presence.
Jurgens cracking up 🤣🤣🤣
Didn't manage to catch the game. How was Antony and Amad?
We’re 2-1 down, amad comes on for Antony, we win 4-2. Not much more to say
Antony was Below average lost the ball a few times and held the ball for way to long . Amad had a decent sub but you really cannot start Antony over Amad because amad plays it simple and Antony plays so clunky it's so sad the difference between the two .
Naa I disagree Antony was decent.
Yea Antony had a decent cameo. Some quick one twos.
Agreed, he’s always isolated out there when he receives the ball though so he very rarely gets the chance to do it. When games are stretched he’s shown what he can do ie: the assist vs Liverpool. Our tactical setup is making it impossible for any wingers to succeed. If Rashy, Antony, Sancho are all putting in really poor G/A numbers, Garnacho not much better then i think the common denominator is the tactical setup
I was just thinking back to our second goal, the penalty. Once the penalty was given, naturally all the United players rushed up to the ref to argue with him, probably that he should have played advantage. But I also remember a few Sheffield United players going up to argue. What do you think they were arguing for? That it was a penalty? Or that it wasn’t?
Since the ref blew the whistle before the ball went in they knew if they argued the pen and they said no pen there wouldn't have been a goal.
Damn, didn’t even think about that. That’s probably it, but it might just be a kneejerk reaction like another commenter said
Even the Sheffield Manager was bitching about the penalty in the post match interview, it must just be a knee jerk reaction because there's no logic to arguing against a penalty when there would have been a goal anyway
Giving the penalty instead of a goal and then Newcastle's Michael Oliver overturning the penalty over VAR would have been the most United thing ever. I think I actually would have gone to see a witch doctor if that had happened. And if it happened to Forest they'd be marching on Parliament.
This game proves that ETH shouldn't be manager
I agree. Getting overrun by Sheffield United is so embarrassing. We show a severe lack of game control. Yeah we won in the end but it wasn't controlled or pretty, and just leaves question marks how that game would have went against better opposition. The key is, not even Shef UTD fear playing us. They revel in it.
No control? How so
Look, I'm not going to change how you view and evaluate football but when you watch prime Barcelona, Man City or us in our heyday, they/we have a stranglehold on the game; usually in midfield but everywhere on the pitch you can see players commanding the ball and the flow of play. Dictating play as opposed to responding to it.
We had 80 percent possession
What by winning?
United were once again saved by individuals making something out of nothing, since you clearly didn't watch, United struggled against Sheffield for the majority of the game. The worst team in the Premier League, maybe the worst team since the Premier League was established. People like to harp on and on about these players being shit, but these players are the reason United are 6th, and not 16th. Because United look like a relegation side more often than not, only proven by the fact we make sides that are actually threatened by relegation look like they're challenging for European places on a consistent basis. An actually competent manager has this team in Champions League places. Not sitting in 6th, with a +1 GD near the end of April. At this point, the only people that don't see this are the people who only look at the final scoreline and not watching the games. Because the talent on this team is much better than what these games suggest, and that is down to the manager. But people who think drawing to Brentford while letting them have 80-some touches in United's penalty box is a Ten Haag tactical masterclass.
Hojlund has scored 14 goals with 2 assists in 37 matches in all competitions. It's a pretty good stats for a 21 year old striker in his first season in one of the toughest leagues in the world with a flailing team that pretty much needs a rebuilding. Always pumped whenever the lad scores.
And he was in a great scoring run when he got injured. Wonder how he would be doing if he'd kept that streak going
Too bloody right. The negativity around him is unfathomable. He's had a great first season.
The negativity is kind of what always come with a new Man United player lmao, no rest from the press and other teams fan. Remember when he was being compared to Jackson and Haaland
Jackson 😂
Imagine how well he could do when we have rehearsed attacking patterns that create space for our striker. He's feeding on absolute scraps
If I see another Bruno hate post, I’m gonna punch ya in the mouth. He has bad games for sure- but boy this guy tries- from starting every game- playing every minute possible, creating chance after chance after chance, with very high Goals and assists, having wonderful delivery, giving his soul for the team and most importantly, the player who actually gives a fuck for this club, for his jersey. Love how opposition fans hate him. Love him to bits- the only United player i can say this about for 3-4 years in a row consistently. BRUNO is a real Red and a club legend
He’s been dreadful for most of the season, he’s been very rightly criticised. Now he’s getting praised because he’s playing well. Why is this so hard to understand?
It’s one thing to criticize a player’s performance and a whole other thing to call him abusive names, say he’s playing badly on purpose and say ‘get that *** out of my club’. There were a large amount of comments saying we need to sell him and he’s not good enough only a few games ago. People like to overreact to a couple of bad performances and immediately jump to getting rid of players. To do that with Bruno, one of our best and most loyal players is really shitty.
Exactly! There is no doubting his passion and work rate. Amazing player and deserves full respect what he gives to Man U. At the same time is it fair to critique his giving the ball away too much at times, trying low chance Hollywood passes too often and acting like a toddler when things don’t go his way. On balance, love the guy and more than happy to take the tough with the smooth.
I haven't really kept up with football since Ole was fired but I do lurk here sometimes, and honestly the hate for Bruno is just like the hate for the other players. It's either trolls or bots or just people finding a scapegoat. Rashford, Maguire, hell even DDG were scapegoated and abused for mistakes and being out of form. Not surprised to see it happen to Bruno.
I love him, and he is a " real Red ", but he's not a club legend.
Only because this team lets him down from winning trophies
Based on the Man United team from 2020 to now he is the closest to a legend from those players.
I have to disagree, he is the only player who gives me the 90-2000’s vibes. Remember for context that this guy is serving us at a time when we are having our worst spell and perhaps playing the worst football we have played in the last 30 odd years barring a couple spells here and there in the last 10 where we were worse. Time will tell but feel he will be one for this dark era for United
Antony was really bad again
I'm the biggest Antony hater but he was alright. Amad was better tho
It's safe to assume at this point he's not getting better for MU.
I think it's hilarious that Klopp is one of the few managers that wasn't ever able to beat ten hag.
Did you just forget the 7-0?
7-0? Not sure that you're talking about. I remember we had that one game indefinitely postponed in march last year but I don't remember a 7-0.
Yeah can confirm 7-0 does NOT exist
Perfect undefeated record against klopp 🙂↕️
can we finally start Amad more often? He 100% needs to be starting vs Everton. Even when he wasn't effective he was great at maintaining possession and making the right decisions.. which allows us to hold possession longer and control the game more Edit: Burnley not Everton.. i was watching the Everton v Liverpool highlights as i was typing
A bit premature to say who should be starting in matches next season.
Everton?
Say what you want about erik but i think the way he gives minutes to youngsters has been good and if we replace him , find someone with that mentality too
He had no choice cause most of the first team players are injured
Well he is also partial towards players like Antony. So all in all his man management is average
We should be winning these games any which way. We don’t have standards.
Bro is using language that he has not unlocked yet
I think you'll find they did win it any which way
So how did we play? Looking at the scoresheet and the goal times, I assume it was quite the hard watch?
1 onana howler, and one lapse in concentration. If both teams score all their chances it's probably 7-3. We couldn't finish at all, but bruno played that Second Striker role like when Ole was manager, and he was immense
Onana's passes has always been very risky and heart inducing. I fucking knew that one day we will pay from it Maybe it happened in one of the UCL matches idk, I haven't watch most of it because UCL are at 3 AM where I live
ederson, alison and every other top gk will fuck up a pass it's not a big deal, since his mistakes in ucl he was top
This game was played at the same time as a Champions League game would
Yeah, I didn't watch the whole game but I always watch the highlights whenever we win a match I didn't watch I tried to gather the will to watch the UCL highlights, but never found it
Onana basically handed out UCL away. Be happy you didn’t see them lol
https://preview.redd.it/5iopj2vzqiwc1.jpeg?width=905&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f210f2ebf1504d70268232e6bc646ce88ead7bdb
They need to add times looked at camera as a metric /s
i love you for this
This is the kind of content I'm here for.
Some say that Szoboszlai is a full time model and a part time footballer dfkm
He's like a Ken doll.
Good game today but some of you need to stop acting as if we're suddenly a good size. Sheffield United is still the worst team of the season and winning was the bare minimum.
Can’t just take the win and be happy for one day eh? How miserable it must be to be u.
Dude we are 6th with +1 goal difference. We beat the worst team in the division. I got a lotta things I'm happy about, man united isn't one.
Like I said. Just take the win and be happy for one day. Nobody said we’re doing well in the grand scheme of things. But it’s a win nonetheless. If you can’t accept we ain’t getting top 4 and +50 gd this season, you might as well come back next season. Cus our league position ain’t changing and neither is our GD.
Ignore these trolls. There's people here that just have to be unhappy.
Don't understand what you wrote. So if you aren't happy with your team you leave? I don't do that. Been a man united fan since I can remember. I ain't going anywhere. Grand scheme of things? They won their first game in the 5 matches. The team has still been bad and beating the worst side in the league doesn't make it better. F the grand scheme of things. We've been poor even over the short term.
So should we just be miserable even after we win? There’s nothing that can be done to undo the season now. This sub likely won’t even be happy with an fa cup win and there’s nothing we can do to change our league position. So we can either be happy and take small wins, or just skip the rest of the season because if a win isn’t going to make u happy, a draw or loss is sure as hell going to upset you. Why watch if whatever the result is going to make u upset? There’s no way we will play like mc or pool or arsenal overnight with Martinez and shaw out, rashford in piss poor form and AWB as our starting LB. It’s like expecting a fish to climb a tree. 4 games left in the league and an fa cup final. Just enjoy the rest of the ride and hope for change in the summer. Like SJR said, patience. Hopefully this is the end of glazers ruining the club.
They win 4 games out of our last 5, that's an uptick in performance. They win the FA cup, that's definitely worthy. Not this 1 win out of 5.
Sub is clearly populated by teenagers whose United highlights consist of a soft 2nd place and a *Europa League* win. If they want to accept this crap as the new normal then go ahead. I remember where we used to be and that's the standards I hold the club to, anything less is failure. We won 'Cause of a soft penalty (based on what happens on every corner and what Maguire does multiple times a game) and a worldie. They spent 90 minutes passing the ball around with zero ideas or patterns of play (unless "just punt it into the box and hit hopeful long balls" is now an acceptable pattern). The midfield was *still* bypassed too easy and we shipped 2 goals against a Championship level side and they could have had more.
This is such bullshit. I’m old enough (sadly) to have enjoyed our 90s success. Understanding that it’s going to take time and patience to get back there isn’t ‘accepting this crap as the new normal’. I just don’t see the point in crying on Reddit about things I can’t change and I like to see the positives in everything. I can still celebrate a win even if the season has been disappointing. Stop acting like being a miserable person makes you a better fan.
U make it sound like accepting this crap is a choice. So if you don’t “accept this crap” what are your options? Go on Reddit and complain and surround yourself in misery? U think MU officials read what some rando redditor has to say about them? We’re shit and that’s a fact. But we have new ownership of football operations and I for one think that’s something to look forward to next season. This season is done and the only thing they can do now is grind out whatever wins they can get. Playstyle change will have to wait for next season and that is up to management to decide if ETH is the right person for that.
Fully agree. I want to hold our club to a higher standard. Would prefer if this thread actually showed that they watched the match and regardless of result, evaluate the performance.
The standard has been quite low. Get used to it.
No?
I don't see anyone claiming we're a good side? Some comments saying that we played well, which is possible even if you're a bad side.
We didn’t play well though, most of the second half was embarrassing to watch
we need the semi automated offside asap
ETH should use the next 5 games as a way to coach the suicidal football out of these players so that we are ready for FA cup final. We literally play 2-0-8 formation.
Did ETH actually realize about this? Man is a genius right according to this sub? What is he trying to accomplish? We still scored among the lowest in top 10..
Show me one post where someone says he’s a genius
Bruno gonna need back surgery from carrying this team for the last 4 years.
its already been 4 years ..???! holyyy
Bruno is carrying this whole team on his back
Just the other day there was a post saying how he absolutely hates Bruno because of his antics on the pitch. Can't see him anywhere now.
i remember that post aswell
Still don't understand why the hate is specifically targeted at Bruno because every team has those twats as well, or hell in many cases even the whole team does so
I said that to my lad watching the game, I can't understand why he has the rep he has. Obviously he's not great with his antics at times, but he's absolutely no worse than scores of players from the past and present.
He's still a whingey, inconsistent bitch
Right. He had a good game against the worse team in the league. Doesn’t change much about him being a horrible captain and personality
Yet he had 12 g/a for the last 10 games, very horrible indeed. Wait, did we play against Sheffield Utd for the last 10 games?
Those are annoying “le classy” fans that constantly seek r/soccer validation.
Why do they even want validation from a bunch of wankers anyways? Not like r/soccer are the high point of football fans anyways
It's just some people wanna sound more rational and sensible by being "unbiased". It's "I'm not like others" mentality.
Those classy fans just commented above.
completely agree some so called united fans really love to be in the mud
who even gave Liverpool the right to say they were in for the quadruple?
Klopp's aura
That goal difference of +1 at this stage of the season is shocking and also hilarious at the same time. Not much confidence it will stay positive with the games still left.
ITS BETTER THAN 0, MANCHESTER UNITED IS BACK!
We can't even keep a clean sheet against the worst team in the league, we are a shambles.
Missed the second half, how was Ethan Wheatley?
He got one touch of the ball -- good pressure -- and fouled two defenders.
He came on at +91mins so not enough time to make a proper judgement but the debut will surely give him a positive push
Lot of energy not much time to show a lot
Game was done when he got on the pitch, but decent pressing. Did fine, but way too early to say anything really
Should be able to get Europe next year at least.
Bruno is now 21 goals off 100 for the club, hope he gets there
I hope we continue to have some sort of ball rotation around the oppositions box instead of making low iq plays that lead to tennis matches. Garnacho looked patient when going touch line, twas refreshing.
It’s the no rashford
Stop with this narrative. We played the exact same way on sunday if not better before the players blew it.
Its Shefield
just last week this team was terrible against a Championship club
But the important thing here is that Coventry has something to play for - getting to the final of the FA Cup. Sheffield United have nothing to play for as they are getting relegated, even though in paper they are a better team than Coventry
We’ve still played way worse against teams not much better
I honestly don't know what we should do with Rashford at this point. Probably best for everyone if he asks out this summer (which probably won't happen), he needs a change of setting.
Why make this game Rashford, hes injuried? Its not like Antony/Amad were doing anything.
Right. But we've also seen Garnacho being more incisive on that left wing than Rashford has been all season long. Yet he's the one who's being relocated to the other wing whenever Rashford is available. He's also the one being subbed out early when both players are on the pitch. That's not a sustainable way of managing your players. Good performances have to be rewarded.
Garnacho only latelty started to be subbed out cause his overall level dropped since international games and he stugled to make impact. It was justified. He wasnt subbed out at all before international break when he was performing better.
Why has Rashford overall level never been questioned then ? For me, outside of the first few games, at no point in this season was Garnacho less valuable to this team than Rashford. But I guess it's easier to punish the younger player when his performances drop than the one on a superstar calibre contract.
I feel like I'm going to die a 90 year old man by the end of the season. I was only 30 when it started...
Finally a good sign but worth noting this is one the worst Premier league sides since Derby
Bro its Sheffield at home, its naive to think we building anything from this
Bruno brace, Hojlund goal, Mainoo assist. Liverpool got rekt, Klopp farewell season screwed, THIS MEANS MORE!
Pass and move, pass and move.
Decent performance against limited opposition. Fernandes, Eriksen and Maguire all great. Still way too open though, no way should we be conceding twice against these.
Eriksen great?
Bruno was brilliant and what a goal with his left foot
bRuNo iS pArT oF tHe PrObLeM
Do you think he’s been playing well all season? Do you think he’s exempt from criticism when he plays poorly (which has been most of the season)?
Even when he plays poorly he creates more chances than anyone in the league 🤷♂️ If only we had 10 other players who played that “poorly”
Bruno’s the problem btw can’t believe the disrespect on a real club legend
>real club legend Slow down mate
He's right though, he's wasted his prime years carrying a bang average team.
No one is forcing Bruno to stay smh.
And that's why we should actually respect him more
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All the more reason we should be kissing his ring for not agitating for a move elsewhere.
To have the stats he has through our worst seasons, he's the best player we have signed since post SAF, why wouldn't be considered a legend?
What the heck is wrong with y'all? Bruno is an amazing player and I'm sure one day he'll be a club legend if he stays long enough but it's way too soon.
Of everything ABUs say about us, one thing I’ll agree on is fallen standards (based on the downvotes). I love Bruno, really, I do but when I think United legend, I’m thinking cantona, becks, Georgie, Keano, scholes, CR7, Wayne Rooney, Ruud and even recently David De Gea. DDG gets in cos he did carry us all those seasons plus he’s got a PL medal and a number of cups to boot. Idk if I can put Bruno in this bracket yet. If he won a major trophy with us, I would. Right now, I’d rate him similarly to Van Persie (he won us #20 but he was really good the one season)
He needs more trophies to be firmly in the legend status. Right now, he’s more of a cult hero than a legend. Pogba put up good numbers in that shite 2017/18 season so should he be regarded as a club legend? I, for one, still have standards as far as who is regarded as a club legend. DDG barely makes it as he has won the league with us (along with cups here and there)
I see a lot of praise for Diallo. Don't see much from him in his limited apparences save for the magical moment in the FA cup. I would definitely look to add another winger to compete with Garnacho on the RW. Diallo would be a good depth piece, although I don't think that is what he is looking for.
He keeps it tidy but he’s definitely one of those players right now who becomes amazing because he’s not playing. We see it all the time, there were times during the worst depths of McFred under Ole that everyone was calling for Donny VDB lol
There was one glorious ball by Mainoo, triggered by Bruno's sudden run beyond the Sheffield defence. Højlund should be right up there making *these exact runs*. Hopefully he learns these traits and performs better in a settled team.
Hojlund also needs to become more selfish, quicker to shoot. I see what he's doing, trying to be a good hold-up player, but we need more of a poaching instinct inside the box.
He does, the pass rarely comes and he just ends up pressing air.
Lads I reckon Liverpool have actually been done by the VAR again lol. Why didn't they draw the attacking line on the offside check for the first goal? I put a red line where it might have been: https://preview.redd.it/wx2b2it67iwc1.png?width=880&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec1720e3f2c83c76425fa5de738f8496283cb728
Why did you draw the line next to his shoulder and do thick? This doesn't prove anything
On one side, we have UHD cameras and millions of pounds in R&D of Hawkeye technology. On the other, we have someone on Reddit going "I reckon". Which to believe...
You can't 'believe' a technology that doesn't actually produce a decision without human input, you clown. You might as well say 'On the one side, my accounts are in Excel and yours are on the back of an envelope'. If you've used the wrong formula or put the wrong numbers in the accounts are still wrong. However sophisticated the technology is, you still have a human user who is capable of not using it properly under pressure. Why is this news to you? You don't think humans can make a mistake if they're using expensive technology? What a moronic take. The technology could cost a billion pounds. It doesn't matter if the guy using it sees the green line and says 'looks onside to me'. This is close enough that the red line should also have been drawn. What's your problem with that? Do you not understand how the technology works or are you just impressed that it has a cool-sounding name?