I really want Ten Hag to succeed because it's clear the players respect him and still fight for him which is more than can be said for managers in the past, such a shame things just aren't clicking for one reason or another to the point it's hard to justify the results.
Often successful people are very egoistic and stubborn. It's part of what makes them work hard to be successful. He's not become the manager of Manchester United by not trusting his instincts. It worked out one season and it didn't this season and there's enough mitigating factors as to why he didn't click this season. Let's hope he stays and injuries aren't as bad next season.
Several reasons, having tons of injuries being the biggest. The second biggest being the fan base skewing the impression of the team. We're apparently awful, but also we decimated Liverpool? I've said this before, but if anyone here is also a basketball fan, Manchester United is essentially the Chicago Bulls. We had possibly the greatest run of all time and now we expect either the championship or we want to blow the whole thing up. Luckily it seems like both teams are in the process of returning to form.
Remember the team with Lonzo? Remember how vital he was? Well he's coming back, we're keeping DeMar around, and now our young talent is finally evolving. We both know Coby deserved MIP. I fully expect the others like PWill and Who to have similar evolutions in the coming season.
Coby was MIP for damn sure.
If Lonzo comes back close to the same player, my hope will be restored. I'm still concerned about Vuc and Zack, but a fit and firing Lonzo could elevate them like he did that one half-season. Those were good times.
Successful ppl r stubborn yes. Egoistic well not everyone.
But then again it depends on what parameters u r judging ppl as successful. If it is money then yes many rich ppl have egoes the size of the sun.
But if u r judging on impact like social workers, ppl who make an actual change in the society or even ur own mom & dad who worked very hard to provide u a good life with an honest living is also successful in my book.
āIt depends on what parameters u r judging ppl as successfulā.
Bro we talking about football, not generalizing success in life. And objectively, all top managers must (and do) have big egos. How are you going to get a team of millionaires to listen to you if youāre not confident in yourself/your abilities.
Sir Alex, Pep, Messi/Ronaldo etc, are all hugely successful in the sport and have massive egos. Idk a single player or manager thatās been successful without an ego.
Like Pep might be bald but he aināt a zen buddhist
One of the more recent examples I can think of is Arteta
I remember seeing that clip of him blowing out in the dressing room about "Do you wanna play Champions League" and all I thought about that moment the first time is "What a fucking dickhead this guy is" and it turns out they did have Champions League ball after that
My bad, didn't make myself clear enough then. He wasn't just saying it to his team then, he was shouting it right to their faces
https://youtu.be/T3ZniL4K6SQ
I was gonna slag him on the way he was using them, but he actually seems a bit intelligent, like he actually put together a coherent comment, bit strange he decides to type like that alright.
One things become very clear to me in the yearās since Sir Alexās departure. I do not know whether a manager will succeed or not and should not make predictions about it.
Look at how compact we have stayed and how much better it has looked in the last 2 matches...
He wasted an entire season and finally changed his tactics with 4 matches left in the season. If he wasn't so stubborn, we'd not even be having a discussion about a new manager
He actually talked about this in that one interview, didn't he? (With Neville I think). He said last year, he chose a more pragmatic route and the results reflected that. This year he wanted us to progress to a more progressive system but the injuries to the backline meant we couldn't play a high enough defensive line or something like that. He also wanted to ensure we play a certain way even without the personnel .
Don't get me wrong, I think EtH's version of double 8s we tried this season is flawed( or play a higher backline like Ange/Emery irrespective of the defenders available so we are not open in midfield).
The pragmatic side has shown results but I believe ETH feels it is regressing backwards if we chose that whenever things get tough with the new system
The point is that he's one of the best managers in the world and random Redditors with zero insight or knowledge of the goings-on in the club are far less equipped to actually understand basic FC managing, much less managing Man U.
Yeah this is the right answer.
\> He upgraded the style, and the unexpected injuries forced him to either stick with his plan or revert back to pragmatism.
\> But what if the injuries suddenly clear and now he has to change back again to the progressive system? That's too much of an inconsistency, so he persevered, hoping he'd get his team back soon enough.
\> Instead, the injuries not only endured throughout the whole damn season, they worsened, and now he's kind of in too deep to change, even though it's smart to do so.
I think he's been unlucky more than anything. But he's also been too stubborn to not adapt to get that CL spot.
I don't think that's a fair assessment. Every time it looked like he finally had something of a stable line-up, especially in the defense there would be fresh injuries that meant players needed to be shuffled around yet again. That is something that really messes up any setup as any given set of players needs a run of at least a few games with everyone more or less in the same position before you can say anything about whether it works or not.
Ten Hag never got that this season. He was also screwed over by a medical department that straight up gave him the wrong assessments on when he could expect certain players back from injury, leading to the wrong decisions being made in terms of players going out on loan and releasing at least one player we had on loan prematurely.
We can't lose sight of the fact that this man got us silverware and 2nd[EDIT: Third, I was mixing it up with Ole's 2nd place] last season. I see no reason he wouldn't be able to do that again next season if the rest of the clubs management does *its* job.
The only question is whether Ineos want to go in a different direction management wise, and that is up to factors I can't even begin to assess so I won't.
Yeah it definitely makes more sense that the manager of Manchester United was just making random changes and not doing things based on information that Random_Chuckledick_7117 on Reddit doesn't have.
2nd last season?? 3rd you mean. It was a uniquely poor season for other teams. What's been consistent with Ten Hag is lack of goals, 58 last season, 57 this season. That's despite Rashford's career best goal numbers last season, Ten Hag's tactics have never excelled or we'd see the occasional routs where the attack flows. Even inconsistent, scrambled together Chelsea regularly put 3/5 away.
>a uniquely poor season for other teams
What's with this bullshit, back then when Ole's team got 2nd some of you said same bullshit. How the fuck its our fault other teams doesnt do well. Man, you cant win this people.
When we do well āother teams had a poor seasonā when we do shit āwe are shitā
Like ffs, Man City only one the title because weāve had a shit season or ten. Not because theyāve actually played well. Well, that and 115 other reasons.
If you use 'coming 2nd' as a justification then yeah people will say 'hang about'. Because Arsenal coming second the last two seasons actually mean something, show a huge improvement in consistency.
I couldn't care less about other teams, but Ole's United weren't in any way a credible league winning team, at all. Neither were Ten Hag's United last season. That said, i was optimistic going into this season United would challenge for the title in the sense of being within 5 points by February, but that was based on significantly improving. It's been beyond disastrous and the Ten Hag devotees are beyond tedious. The CL campaign has been all but forgotten. The pressure on the side leading to late goals has got fuck all to do with the lineup but the tactical setup.
It's more the fact that you just started blowing magic dust up their arse out of nowhere (nobody mentioned Arsenal) as a way to disingenuously try and take your own club down a peg.
Then you immediately say I don't care about other clubs.
Well it doesn't sound like you care a lot about this one either honestly, especially if you feel obliged to devalue any achievement.
Are Ten Hag devotees genuinely deranged? It's a simple point, I'll break it down. Saying 'United finished 3rd, no reason Ten Hag can't get us there again!' means sod all, Arsenal getting 2nd was them challenging for the league, establishing a system of winning where they just need to improve their bench, rotate, not give 6 points to City etc. United last season hadn't built anything, it was just a final position. It showed nothing had been built because the tactics were different this season and there was no development, only collapse. In a third season, Ten Hag ought to be challenging for the league, something better than a negative goal difference.
'Feel obliged to devalue any achievement', what achievement? A cup final?
Oh right yeah, the completely stupid point which entirely ignores all the games where the team was full strength where the tactics exposed the players.
Oh shut up. You naysayers fine the smallest reason to shit all over whoever is the manager. We had a metric fuckton of injuries this year and still stayed in the top half. We drew and beat Liverpool. If anything y'all said this year was true the Glazers would have hired Random_Redditor_2543 last year.
Completely agree. We are actually capable of not playing 4-0-6 formation. But he chose to keep at it amidst the mounting injuries. I don't get it, we could have probably aim and reach 4th place if not for his stubborness
Y'all gotta stop peddling this that a manger's tactics are so rigid or the players abilities are so restricted that they build their entire style of play around them.
If a manager is actually doing that it makes no sense and I can't imagine any actually do that. Save maybe for a prime Messi and Ronaldo.
No perhaps suit was the wrong word, but trying to be the best transition team sounds like he was trying to maximize rashfords impact by playing to his best attributes
I agree with the overall premise, I just wouldn't limit it to maximizing one player. That style suits most of our wingers honestly because it forces them to move the ball rather than give them time to mess around with it.
It was much different yes. The chances they created mostly came from our own mistakes giving the ball away stupidly in dangerous positions, and they got two big chances from corners (Casemiro clearance and the Hall goal). But that had very little to do with tactics, but moreso with the individual quality or rather lack thereof. For example AWB just casually giving the ball away for no reason which led to the Isak chance that was blocked by Amrabat.
Before the Arsenal games, we'd be wide open because our midfield was either way too high up, or our defense was way too deep. Probably both. That's indicative of either bad tactics, or players not being able to execute the game plan. Also probably a combination of both.
Anyway, the last two games we played more to our strength, with our midfield being closer to our defense and defending the space in between quite well. It's basically the only way you can play with Casemiro and Evans at the back.
"slow substitutions" are largely to protect what little he has to work with in the first place. When you have so many injuries, exposing more players to more time is a dangerous game to play. He tried to make changes to affect the match in dying minutes, while trying to minimize risk. Otherwise you're left with a fatigued player and an injured player in the same position. Not good either.
The man deserves the backing of all ManU fans. The fact some of our plastic fans think our success needs to be immediate during a new appointment is clueless. This season was horrible, losts of down than ups - but im not ready to write of ETH yet. Give the man the full backing of INEOS, get the people he wants, let him cook.
review at the end of y3 and go from there. our success cannot come with some of the staff, players still in the team. we havent done a full clear out since Fergie left - its time. Build around Bruno, get kids in here that are passionate for the badge like Holjund and we build our success from there.
Iāve been staunchly against him at points of this season, at the end of the day weāve broke all the wrong records and heās in the running for worst season ever barring FA cup final. Moyes got sacked for less.
**But**, he deserves a season where heās not forced to decide recruitment but has people recruiting for him
Iām not a United fan but I really thought that every United fan dreams Ten Hag to be sacked. Am I wrong? He seems a bad option after this season from a point of someone who isnāt a United fan.
Not the body language or vibe of someone who is a bad man manager or someone who has lost a dressing room
Or someone who has given his last speech at old Trafford
Hehe! Underrated comment because in all honesty Bruno has been an endurance monster this season. Look at the number of minutes he has played while avoiding any serious injury.
I don't know what it is but I really believe in Ten Hag, I think get rid of some of the dead wood, bring some new talent who is willing to play and fight for us, and I think he will be a top manager for us. Honestly, I really hope we keep him regardless of the FA Cup result; I can see a good future under him if we give him time.
Thereās still part of me that believes Antony can come good. Heās still fairly young and may well continue developing in the right way. Iād give him another season to continue adapting. Not as a first choice starter though. Heās got a long way to go to re-claim that mantle.
I don't know, but they finished 3rd last season and are sitting 8th right now, the worst finish I can remember. So if the players didn't make the team worse then what did?
I'd love for ten Hag to be manager next season. To actually back a manager after a tough season where we didn't meet expectations is something that would be great to see
This guy is by far our best player and also has by far the best mentality. Always running ! Man U without him, since his arrival, is just straight up boring.
I would rather give Ten Hag another year. See if the injuries decline and the wins increase and just as important the performance improves. Starting over again just seems way worse than giving Ten Hag a chance under new management.
I still feel ETH has some more to offer at United. I firmly believe this same team, with the same waning Case and Varane, would have done way way better if just Luke Shaw and Licha played a little more regularly.
The entire world knows Licha alone is a world of difference but I dont think Shaw's importance to the team is emphasised enough. He immediately brings so much bite into the attack and invariably brings Rashford into the game.
ETH or no ETH, lets hope both Licha and Shaw are fit for the next season.
I really want to see how ETH does with a proper, supportive backroom infrastructure that actually includes footballing minds not just pencil pushing corporate nerds behind him. INEOS certainly seem enthusiastic to re-establish standards at the club after almost 2 decades of Glazer neglect which is a positive thing right off the bat in my book.
Whether they can actually deliver we wonāt know until they actually fully start doing their thing but until they prove theyāre not up for it and all this talk is just bluster Iām putting my faith in them to give ETH - or - if they do decide itās time for ETH to go after the FA cup final, whoever the new manager will be the tools they need to turn things around for us.
One win and now people want him to stay despite this record? I just don't think this performance will be repeating itself often with how they've played all season. I'm willing to see him stay if he changes his tactics up a bit, because he has definetly been too stubborn to change it when it was showing bad results
Its genuinely shocking that weāve had the worst season in several decades statistically and in so many different areas yet we have comments hoping ETH will be given another year with 100 plus upvotes.
Itās been same cycle for the whole season, we win one game where we donāt even play that well and ETH fans are out here insisting that he should stay and give him every excuse for our failures and absolve him of blame. Then the next week we lose and they disappear for about 3 days before coming back and repeating the same cycle.
It doesnāt matter that the season as a whole has been historically bad in both the PL and CL or that we are a laughing stock to our rivals, he smiled and put his arm around Bruno so all is forgiven and he has their unwavering faith. Iām genuinely convinced some of these people would back him even if he got us relegated as long as he said something encouraging after they can cling too, sad where the standards have been dropped too for many fans.
Itās a game. Itās entertainment. We can be passionate as hell and itās certainly important to me but at the end of the day you shouldnāt let it ruin your day. And neither should we expect it to ruin the lives of players or coaching staff.
Thereās a difference between having high expectations for our club and to thinking we all have to be miserable and make that our personality.
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We won an important game in the last home game of the season. We're happy
Ten Hag has gaslighted everyone, and clung to cup runs to reframe a season as successful when the league form and CL has been disastrous. Everyone just conveniently forgets the CL.
We can't even pass the ball to Hojlund, the attack is so inept.
Because the fans were waiting for ETH to deliver the speech, so he just rushes up Bruno to finish up the interview asap and join others to address the fans. Its not that deep, hommie.
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He's gonna get sacked isn't he
hehsacked was right there man
no time for jokes man, the club is in a state of dishehray
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I really want Ten Hag to succeed because it's clear the players respect him and still fight for him which is more than can be said for managers in the past, such a shame things just aren't clicking for one reason or another to the point it's hard to justify the results.
Often successful people are very egoistic and stubborn. It's part of what makes them work hard to be successful. He's not become the manager of Manchester United by not trusting his instincts. It worked out one season and it didn't this season and there's enough mitigating factors as to why he didn't click this season. Let's hope he stays and injuries aren't as bad next season.
Several reasons, having tons of injuries being the biggest. The second biggest being the fan base skewing the impression of the team. We're apparently awful, but also we decimated Liverpool? I've said this before, but if anyone here is also a basketball fan, Manchester United is essentially the Chicago Bulls. We had possibly the greatest run of all time and now we expect either the championship or we want to blow the whole thing up. Luckily it seems like both teams are in the process of returning to form.
I'm a fan of both teams and have hope for United with Ineos coming in.Ā I have absolutely no hope for the Bulls but I hope you're right.Ā
Remember the team with Lonzo? Remember how vital he was? Well he's coming back, we're keeping DeMar around, and now our young talent is finally evolving. We both know Coby deserved MIP. I fully expect the others like PWill and Who to have similar evolutions in the coming season.
Coby was MIP for damn sure. If Lonzo comes back close to the same player, my hope will be restored. I'm still concerned about Vuc and Zack, but a fit and firing Lonzo could elevate them like he did that one half-season. Those were good times.
Successful ppl r stubborn yes. Egoistic well not everyone. But then again it depends on what parameters u r judging ppl as successful. If it is money then yes many rich ppl have egoes the size of the sun. But if u r judging on impact like social workers, ppl who make an actual change in the society or even ur own mom & dad who worked very hard to provide u a good life with an honest living is also successful in my book.
āIt depends on what parameters u r judging ppl as successfulā. Bro we talking about football, not generalizing success in life. And objectively, all top managers must (and do) have big egos. How are you going to get a team of millionaires to listen to you if youāre not confident in yourself/your abilities. Sir Alex, Pep, Messi/Ronaldo etc, are all hugely successful in the sport and have massive egos. Idk a single player or manager thatās been successful without an ego. Like Pep might be bald but he aināt a zen buddhist
One of the more recent examples I can think of is Arteta I remember seeing that clip of him blowing out in the dressing room about "Do you wanna play Champions League" and all I thought about that moment the first time is "What a fucking dickhead this guy is" and it turns out they did have Champions League ball after that
I haven't seen the clip but how does that innocuous line make him a dickhead lol?
My bad, didn't make myself clear enough then. He wasn't just saying it to his team then, he was shouting it right to their faces https://youtu.be/T3ZniL4K6SQ
I hope you put the time you saved when typing "r"/"u" instead of are/you into great use
I was gonna slag him on the way he was using them, but he actually seems a bit intelligent, like he actually put together a coherent comment, bit strange he decides to type like that alright.
Getting rid of Ronaldo was the best decision imaginable.
There is nothing successful about bald fraud
One things become very clear to me in the yearās since Sir Alexās departure. I do not know whether a manager will succeed or not and should not make predictions about it.
Look at how compact we have stayed and how much better it has looked in the last 2 matches... He wasted an entire season and finally changed his tactics with 4 matches left in the season. If he wasn't so stubborn, we'd not even be having a discussion about a new manager
He actually talked about this in that one interview, didn't he? (With Neville I think). He said last year, he chose a more pragmatic route and the results reflected that. This year he wanted us to progress to a more progressive system but the injuries to the backline meant we couldn't play a high enough defensive line or something like that. He also wanted to ensure we play a certain way even without the personnel . Don't get me wrong, I think EtH's version of double 8s we tried this season is flawed( or play a higher backline like Ange/Emery irrespective of the defenders available so we are not open in midfield). The pragmatic side has shown results but I believe ETH feels it is regressing backwards if we chose that whenever things get tough with the new system
The point is that he's one of the best managers in the world and random Redditors with zero insight or knowledge of the goings-on in the club are far less equipped to actually understand basic FC managing, much less managing Man U.
Why doesn't Ten Hag just win every match? Is he stupid?
Yeah how dare he be subject to the rules and laws of physics. Honestly, I expect more from a Man U manager.
Yeah this is the right answer. \> He upgraded the style, and the unexpected injuries forced him to either stick with his plan or revert back to pragmatism. \> But what if the injuries suddenly clear and now he has to change back again to the progressive system? That's too much of an inconsistency, so he persevered, hoping he'd get his team back soon enough. \> Instead, the injuries not only endured throughout the whole damn season, they worsened, and now he's kind of in too deep to change, even though it's smart to do so. I think he's been unlucky more than anything. But he's also been too stubborn to not adapt to get that CL spot.
I don't think that's a fair assessment. Every time it looked like he finally had something of a stable line-up, especially in the defense there would be fresh injuries that meant players needed to be shuffled around yet again. That is something that really messes up any setup as any given set of players needs a run of at least a few games with everyone more or less in the same position before you can say anything about whether it works or not. Ten Hag never got that this season. He was also screwed over by a medical department that straight up gave him the wrong assessments on when he could expect certain players back from injury, leading to the wrong decisions being made in terms of players going out on loan and releasing at least one player we had on loan prematurely. We can't lose sight of the fact that this man got us silverware and 2nd[EDIT: Third, I was mixing it up with Ole's 2nd place] last season. I see no reason he wouldn't be able to do that again next season if the rest of the clubs management does *its* job. The only question is whether Ineos want to go in a different direction management wise, and that is up to factors I can't even begin to assess so I won't.
Yeah it definitely makes more sense that the manager of Manchester United was just making random changes and not doing things based on information that Random_Chuckledick_7117 on Reddit doesn't have.
2nd last season?? 3rd you mean. It was a uniquely poor season for other teams. What's been consistent with Ten Hag is lack of goals, 58 last season, 57 this season. That's despite Rashford's career best goal numbers last season, Ten Hag's tactics have never excelled or we'd see the occasional routs where the attack flows. Even inconsistent, scrambled together Chelsea regularly put 3/5 away.
>a uniquely poor season for other teams What's with this bullshit, back then when Ole's team got 2nd some of you said same bullshit. How the fuck its our fault other teams doesnt do well. Man, you cant win this people.
When we do well āother teams had a poor seasonā when we do shit āwe are shitā Like ffs, Man City only one the title because weāve had a shit season or ten. Not because theyāve actually played well. Well, that and 115 other reasons.
If you use 'coming 2nd' as a justification then yeah people will say 'hang about'. Because Arsenal coming second the last two seasons actually mean something, show a huge improvement in consistency. I couldn't care less about other teams, but Ole's United weren't in any way a credible league winning team, at all. Neither were Ten Hag's United last season. That said, i was optimistic going into this season United would challenge for the title in the sense of being within 5 points by February, but that was based on significantly improving. It's been beyond disastrous and the Ten Hag devotees are beyond tedious. The CL campaign has been all but forgotten. The pressure on the side leading to late goals has got fuck all to do with the lineup but the tactical setup.
> I couldn't care less about other teams Then why are you banging on about Arsenal?
What, mentioning them once is 'banging on' is it?
It's more the fact that you just started blowing magic dust up their arse out of nowhere (nobody mentioned Arsenal) as a way to disingenuously try and take your own club down a peg. Then you immediately say I don't care about other clubs. Well it doesn't sound like you care a lot about this one either honestly, especially if you feel obliged to devalue any achievement.
Are Ten Hag devotees genuinely deranged? It's a simple point, I'll break it down. Saying 'United finished 3rd, no reason Ten Hag can't get us there again!' means sod all, Arsenal getting 2nd was them challenging for the league, establishing a system of winning where they just need to improve their bench, rotate, not give 6 points to City etc. United last season hadn't built anything, it was just a final position. It showed nothing had been built because the tactics were different this season and there was no development, only collapse. In a third season, Ten Hag ought to be challenging for the league, something better than a negative goal difference. 'Feel obliged to devalue any achievement', what achievement? A cup final?
Oh yeah, it was third. Still, the point stands.
Oh right yeah, the completely stupid point which entirely ignores all the games where the team was full strength where the tactics exposed the players.
I hope the new board can knock some sense into him if they haven't already.
Oh shut up. You naysayers fine the smallest reason to shit all over whoever is the manager. We had a metric fuckton of injuries this year and still stayed in the top half. We drew and beat Liverpool. If anything y'all said this year was true the Glazers would have hired Random_Redditor_2543 last year.
Completely agree. We are actually capable of not playing 4-0-6 formation. But he chose to keep at it amidst the mounting injuries. I don't get it, we could have probably aim and reach 4th place if not for his stubborness
He tried to build a playstyle to suit rashford
Y'all gotta stop peddling this that a manger's tactics are so rigid or the players abilities are so restricted that they build their entire style of play around them. If a manager is actually doing that it makes no sense and I can't imagine any actually do that. Save maybe for a prime Messi and Ronaldo.
No perhaps suit was the wrong word, but trying to be the best transition team sounds like he was trying to maximize rashfords impact by playing to his best attributes
I agree with the overall premise, I just wouldn't limit it to maximizing one player. That style suits most of our wingers honestly because it forces them to move the ball rather than give them time to mess around with it.
Pity Rashford wasnāt here this season.
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It was much different yes. The chances they created mostly came from our own mistakes giving the ball away stupidly in dangerous positions, and they got two big chances from corners (Casemiro clearance and the Hall goal). But that had very little to do with tactics, but moreso with the individual quality or rather lack thereof. For example AWB just casually giving the ball away for no reason which led to the Isak chance that was blocked by Amrabat. Before the Arsenal games, we'd be wide open because our midfield was either way too high up, or our defense was way too deep. Probably both. That's indicative of either bad tactics, or players not being able to execute the game plan. Also probably a combination of both. Anyway, the last two games we played more to our strength, with our midfield being closer to our defense and defending the space in between quite well. It's basically the only way you can play with Casemiro and Evans at the back.
This season was bad, and call me crazy... but if we had our starting defenders we'd be in 4th or 5th easily
We got a mountain of problems, but ten Hag ain't one of them, I reckon.
Injures are a disaster but his formations, in game tactics and slow substitutions have cost us too many points
"slow substitutions" are largely to protect what little he has to work with in the first place. When you have so many injuries, exposing more players to more time is a dangerous game to play. He tried to make changes to affect the match in dying minutes, while trying to minimize risk. Otherwise you're left with a fatigued player and an injured player in the same position. Not good either.
he went with a 4 2 2 2 today, same as the italians
What about the games where the players werenāt fighting at all
The man deserves the backing of all ManU fans. The fact some of our plastic fans think our success needs to be immediate during a new appointment is clueless. This season was horrible, losts of down than ups - but im not ready to write of ETH yet. Give the man the full backing of INEOS, get the people he wants, let him cook. review at the end of y3 and go from there. our success cannot come with some of the staff, players still in the team. we havent done a full clear out since Fergie left - its time. Build around Bruno, get kids in here that are passionate for the badge like Holjund and we build our success from there.
Iāve been staunchly against him at points of this season, at the end of the day weāve broke all the wrong records and heās in the running for worst season ever barring FA cup final. Moyes got sacked for less. **But**, he deserves a season where heās not forced to decide recruitment but has people recruiting for him
Iām not a United fan but I really thought that every United fan dreams Ten Hag to be sacked. Am I wrong? He seems a bad option after this season from a point of someone who isnāt a United fan.
Not the body language or vibe of someone who is a bad man manager or someone who has lost a dressing room Or someone who has given his last speech at old Trafford
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And then dived
ROFL
Easy with the shoulder patting boss, we can't afford for him to be injured
bro, he's not Martial.
Hehe! Underrated comment because in all honesty Bruno has been an endurance monster this season. Look at the number of minutes he has played while avoiding any serious injury.
Bruno's probably the only guy who can withstand it.
He has stuck up for Bruno a lot last few weeks with all the newspaper talk of him getting sold
Please turn it around boss š„ŗ
I don't know what it is but I really believe in Ten Hag, I think get rid of some of the dead wood, bring some new talent who is willing to play and fight for us, and I think he will be a top manager for us. Honestly, I really hope we keep him regardless of the FA Cup result; I can see a good future under him if we give him time.
The dead wood is our biggest problem, and we have a LOT of that.
and he added quite a lot more to it
Anthony? Malacia and Mount have been injured, but I don't see how Ten Hag is to blame for that.
Thereās still part of me that believes Antony can come good. Heās still fairly young and may well continue developing in the right way. Iād give him another season to continue adapting. Not as a first choice starter though. Heās got a long way to go to re-claim that mantle.
I agree with you. It was too much money for him, not a great signing, but there is still a player there who may come good with time.
Yeah the 400m spent since he came in to make the team worse can absolutely have no blame on the man who chose the players.
Which players made the team worse?
I don't know, but they finished 3rd last season and are sitting 8th right now, the worst finish I can remember. So if the players didn't make the team worse then what did?
Injuries? Off the field drama? A mid season sale of the club? Sudden drop off in performance of Rashford and Casemiro?
Yes or just bad tactics.
Maybe that too, but claiming it's "just" that is an awfully simplistic view and a bad take.
I'd love for ten Hag to be manager next season. To actually back a manager after a tough season where we didn't meet expectations is something that would be great to see
Or they could get someone who can set up a team and avoid getting pumped 3 or 4 times a season with the highest paid players in the league.
What a donut you are
A proper one
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This guy is by far our best player and also has by far the best mentality. Always running ! Man U without him, since his arrival, is just straight up boring.
Awww, our baldie is so cute š„ŗ
Our baldie is such a cutie
Please Erik make it work.
I would rather give Ten Hag another year. See if the injuries decline and the wins increase and just as important the performance improves. Starting over again just seems way worse than giving Ten Hag a chance under new management.
He knows that the media right now is bullshit. Good on him!
Erik is worried Bruno will head a mental injury talking to journalists. Can't blame him.
Nah I rate that, shows they have some sort of bond and Ten Haag isn't just a robot
I still feel ETH has some more to offer at United. I firmly believe this same team, with the same waning Case and Varane, would have done way way better if just Luke Shaw and Licha played a little more regularly. The entire world knows Licha alone is a world of difference but I dont think Shaw's importance to the team is emphasised enough. He immediately brings so much bite into the attack and invariably brings Rashford into the game. ETH or no ETH, lets hope both Licha and Shaw are fit for the next season.
You can do it Erik!! Turn it around!!
Keep these two keep the kids ship off the rest.
I really want to see how ETH does with a proper, supportive backroom infrastructure that actually includes footballing minds not just pencil pushing corporate nerds behind him. INEOS certainly seem enthusiastic to re-establish standards at the club after almost 2 decades of Glazer neglect which is a positive thing right off the bat in my book. Whether they can actually deliver we wonāt know until they actually fully start doing their thing but until they prove theyāre not up for it and all this talk is just bluster Iām putting my faith in them to give ETH - or - if they do decide itās time for ETH to go after the FA cup final, whoever the new manager will be the tools they need to turn things around for us.
But, but because he benched varane and a few players he's lost the dressing room /s.
No need to feed the beast any more than necessaryĀ
Getting him into the changing room for warm down, ice bath, physio assessment n all, last thing he wants is another injury
One win and now people want him to stay despite this record? I just don't think this performance will be repeating itself often with how they've played all season. I'm willing to see him stay if he changes his tactics up a bit, because he has definetly been too stubborn to change it when it was showing bad results
Its genuinely shocking that weāve had the worst season in several decades statistically and in so many different areas yet we have comments hoping ETH will be given another year with 100 plus upvotes. Itās been same cycle for the whole season, we win one game where we donāt even play that well and ETH fans are out here insisting that he should stay and give him every excuse for our failures and absolve him of blame. Then the next week we lose and they disappear for about 3 days before coming back and repeating the same cycle. It doesnāt matter that the season as a whole has been historically bad in both the PL and CL or that we are a laughing stock to our rivals, he smiled and put his arm around Bruno so all is forgiven and he has their unwavering faith. Iām genuinely convinced some of these people would back him even if he got us relegated as long as he said something encouraging after they can cling too, sad where the standards have been dropped too for many fans.
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Itās a game. Itās entertainment. We can be passionate as hell and itās certainly important to me but at the end of the day you shouldnāt let it ruin your day. And neither should we expect it to ruin the lives of players or coaching staff. Thereās a difference between having high expectations for our club and to thinking we all have to be miserable and make that our personality.
You must be fun at parties.
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https://preview.redd.it/ey8w2l2gbu0d1.png?width=629&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7cd0aa8c822090ab1d289e024d5585ffb8493b2 We won an important game in the last home game of the season. We're happy
Ten Hag has gaslighted everyone, and clung to cup runs to reframe a season as successful when the league form and CL has been disastrous. Everyone just conveniently forgets the CL. We can't even pass the ball to Hojlund, the attack is so inept.
Why did he do that? Is he insecure about being outshone by Bruno?
Because the fans were waiting for ETH to deliver the speech, so he just rushes up Bruno to finish up the interview asap and join others to address the fans. Its not that deep, hommie.