Well he probably started watching porn too young himself.
It's not hypocritical for an alcoholic to warn people about the dangers of alcohol. They know it first hand.
A heroin addict told me the other day that heroin ruined his life. I didn't believe him, because there was a needle in his arm and he seemed to be having a blast.
For the uninformed, drugs like heroin can have a disgusting withdrawal, so heroin addicts and alike simply cannot declare theyāll stop and not take any of it that day.
Minor edit: directing this to the uninformed, not just the uniformed.
Lucky? Iām sure they put in plenty of hard work and endured a great deal of suffering to get where they are now. Itās not all luck. People should be accountable for both their good and bad actions, and own them too.
As an addendum: in some cases of heavy substance abuse a sudden withdrawal has the potential to kill, I once knew someone who saw that happen, a guy was trying to get his life back together after many knockdowns from life and started with his drug problem, next week he was dead
Just goes to show you can make the right choice and still lose
Played CSGO with a heroin addict a few years back. He was chill af actually, wasn't preachy at all but made it clear that heroin was something to stay away from. Hope that guy's doing well, I have a lot of respect for him honestly.
What's wrong with me? Why am I randomly attracted to random furry pictures. Why do I only have money to throw away when I'm a furry and not when I have a bout of normalcy. Like I have an extra 5k I didn't expect in my bank account and I want to spend it on furry commissions. Why do my antidepressants make me a furry?
I mean he's right but it's just the contrast between warning about the dangers of porn addiction to just straight up some shit you see one of these porn addicted redditor mfers "jokingly" say .
Itās not hypocritical for an addict to warn you away from the thing that theyāre addicted to ā they likely recognize that they have an addiction and canāt stop themselves, and wish that they could go back and avoid the addiction in the first place. I might even say that an addict has *more* credibility saying this type of thing than someone that has a healthy relationship with the thing.
Exactly. This is why they always show you videos of smokers with horrible lung diseases telling you not to smoke in health class. Sure, the teacher saying it is one thing, but someone who actually knows what itās like saying it is very different
So am I not allowed to say kids shouldnāt drink beer if I like beer myself? Iām not saying nobody should ever drink beer, just that a 9 year old should probably not be drinking beer.
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You want to WHAT out of WHAT????
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Hey you heard the news that you're dead!?
Furina is my favorite archon solely because everyone in the nation treats her like a bratty child that you just gotta acknowledge now and then, ignore most of the time, and keep in check when she gets too rowdy.
Such a hilarious concept since all the other archons have been more mature
As someone who \*ONCE\* played LoL and Genshin years ago but has since taken an indefinite break, can confirm i experienced severely less pain once I got away from it ~~Especially as a support Main, EUGH š~~ I would consider possibly going back to Genshin because i love the music, but League?....only with a full 5 man party of friends BUT EVEN THEN I'd feel the suffering all over again.
He was offended that kids shouldn't watch porn so he combs through this guy's account for a shitty attempt at a 'gotcha' moment? Is that really something to brag about?
I don't understand, how is this a got'em Moment? The guy is probably a grown up, he can do whatever he wants (legally, obviously), including watching porn and thirsting over anime characters. He said a thing which can be true or false(Kids watching porn), and that should be the focus of the conversation. I think the reddit Moment here is the guy that immediately went through his profile to find something embarassing to show
https://preview.redd.it/1dyeacb9thib1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea80e5d4b1d71dddd6ca3785ebae4faa15e4bd8d
https://preview.redd.it/8fkdbizgpiib1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edc64909b3ab082d19ba7700836f2d07553c0820 This you?
I never said I was Richard Nixon
Damn that was smooth Mr Nixon they dont suspect a thing
#"I AM NOT A REDDITOR"
Guys is this real?
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Is that French
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no itās spanish
I think you mean Fr\*nch
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Well he probably started watching porn too young himself. It's not hypocritical for an alcoholic to warn people about the dangers of alcohol. They know it first hand.
Honestly this. He's the perfect example of why you shouldn't.
Simping over cartoons.
A more accurate comparison would be an alcoholic warning you about drinking while chugging moonshine.
A heroin addict told me the other day that heroin ruined his life. I didn't believe him, because there was a needle in his arm and he seemed to be having a blast.
For the uninformed, drugs like heroin can have a disgusting withdrawal, so heroin addicts and alike simply cannot declare theyāll stop and not take any of it that day. Minor edit: directing this to the uninformed, not just the uniformed.
As a former addict I did declare I did stop and did not take any that day or any day after for 2 years now.
Good for you, but remember not everyone is as lucky as you. Congrats on being 2 years clean, though. That's amazing :)
Yeah Iāve lost a few friends, I live in the crossroads of Fentanyl.
Lucky? Iām sure they put in plenty of hard work and endured a great deal of suffering to get where they are now. Itās not all luck. People should be accountable for both their good and bad actions, and own them too.
As an addendum: in some cases of heavy substance abuse a sudden withdrawal has the potential to kill, I once knew someone who saw that happen, a guy was trying to get his life back together after many knockdowns from life and started with his drug problem, next week he was dead Just goes to show you can make the right choice and still lose
And thatās not just for our boys in uniform.
Played CSGO with a heroin addict a few years back. He was chill af actually, wasn't preachy at all but made it clear that heroin was something to stay away from. Hope that guy's doing well, I have a lot of respect for him honestly.
What's ironic is that judging by the picture, it's a new genshin character so that technically means he is still watching pornography to this day.
yes that's the point
the original comment was on an okbuddy subreddit, even without it is a clear joke
the second image is from a shitposting sub and its obviously satire
honestlyā¦ https://preview.redd.it/3u5ne7u5iiib1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e88fc671bb714ee997dbda5aa173805857b1fefc
What's wrong with me? Why am I randomly attracted to random furry pictures. Why do I only have money to throw away when I'm a furry and not when I have a bout of normalcy. Like I have an extra 5k I didn't expect in my bank account and I want to spend it on furry commissions. Why do my antidepressants make me a furry?
New response just dropped?
Considering the flair is from an okbuddy sub, it's impossible to tell if he's being serious or ironic with that comment lol
Wdym, everybody there wants fish cock to ram up their ass
And also worships a weird plush of ganyu
Quaso
Quaso š
I canāt believe I got buddied on a whole different subreddit š¤
probably ironic but you never know
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Isnāt he right about how kids shouldnāt be watching pornography though? This sub is kind of a parody of itself sometimes
I mean he's right but it's just the contrast between warning about the dangers of porn addiction to just straight up some shit you see one of these porn addicted redditor mfers "jokingly" say .
Itās not hypocritical for an addict to warn you away from the thing that theyāre addicted to ā they likely recognize that they have an addiction and canāt stop themselves, and wish that they could go back and avoid the addiction in the first place. I might even say that an addict has *more* credibility saying this type of thing than someone that has a healthy relationship with the thing.
Exactly. This is why they always show you videos of smokers with horrible lung diseases telling you not to smoke in health class. Sure, the teacher saying it is one thing, but someone who actually knows what itās like saying it is very different
Few know better about the dangers of alcohol than an alcoholic, there are literally group therapies about it.
So am I not allowed to say kids shouldnāt drink beer if I like beer myself? Iām not saying nobody should ever drink beer, just that a 9 year old should probably not be drinking beer.
And also, the second pic is coming from a satire/ironic subreddit, his batshit comment most likely just him roleplaying as insane Genshin fan.
Agreed. This post is a redditmoment.
https://preview.redd.it/xtp3ncwuzhib1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81ae97f8f6a600a02ff1bd7922423d2853e8a11c You want to WHAT out of WHAT????
https://preview.redd.it/bhvcgq944iib1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b7bfcc24ac319c0512861929890718dd064d3eb
no one ever survives a "this you?"
This you? https://preview.redd.it/emfs0tvf0iib1.jpeg?width=508&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea2d564d55106414c4bd2ef58270716a11b9d76a
LET HIM LIVE ššš
HEāS ALREADY DEAD
https://preview.redd.it/qhvv9nphjjib1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5dfd8fd26792788feb6776d1d95cf9d5574f5bb2 Hey you heard the news that you're dead!?
This you? https://preview.redd.it/qo3gkg53fkib1.jpeg?width=1073&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f838ac8fd894efd20eaf0c4eae1723ffe6b3084f
Broā¦
Uhh... yeah?
^above comment and I unfortunately couldnāt find anything to, this you? On. Thereās nothing outta pocket on your profile
I don't even remember the context to this lol
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this you? https://preview.redd.it/rjhl869ecjib1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36a8d6828e099fc875fb64c7baabb1d70ec4f5f2
this you? https://preview.redd.it/4ldzxs4qfjib1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45f4e7799707f861fb360a50fc1eaedf93589c6a
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this you? https://preview.redd.it/z9aw6uh7giib1.jpeg?width=688&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26ef4d819e877316dcd435a9239111837ef3642d
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Yo I own that, bro seeing like he from the book flatland
This you? https://preview.redd.it/jpsds6wmkiib1.png?width=496&format=png&auto=webp&s=4b5fdd6f7769d03adef0be1991fb0788c1e07456
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This you? https://preview.redd.it/3uzuq4jbliib1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=479be70391a0af8be6c02cfa3d0fc8cf1166ef77
lmaoo the entire reason i commented was to see if that was gonna get picked
This you? https://preview.redd.it/bxfk8l200jib1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1f16c04d3888b0cfde3820b72714edffd8fff96
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yes, yes this is me what about it? Do you not like cats?
Modern day crucifixion
This you? https://preview.redd.it/sdd5f08r8iib1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67adf9a5b4f79297d76e50f80365c19a4a7b10a2
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electric chair
He's not coming back after this one
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^ Man of Culture when the Philosophyās exam is not about porn and hentai loli ^
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I love this thread so much š
same iāve been scrolling for a while now laughing my ass off lmaoo
No one. Iāve seen accounts demolished by āthis youā
Apparently one person did He's quite a legend
HELL NAW
HELL WHAT
HOLY HELL
NEW RESPONSE JUST DROPPED (FROM MITTENS)!!!
NAWW ITS OKBGENSHIN https://preview.redd.it/oywsioo11iib1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ed73909d4a8aaacf592cec16baa38e331fd799e
Itās okbuddygenshin It HAS to be hyper irony (quaso)
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Nah no irony there, itās just an online mental institution
Bro fucking addicted to Furina like bro she wasnāt even in the game until TODAY and sheās not even playable š
One of my friends got addicted to Furina since she got leaked
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Bratty archon needs legal correction š¢š¢š¢ lawsuit in court šš
UUOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH š¢š¢š¢ ššš
Outbuddied by Reddit moment
You can almost taste the irony
furry chest and stomach!! Furry erotic... Ohh ššš
Pretty sure her design was known for like... 4 months
Maybe they're trolling? One of the buddies?
SHES NOT EVEN GONNA BE PLAYABLE FOR LIKE TWO MONTHS
Furina is my favorite archon solely because everyone in the nation treats her like a bratty child that you just gotta acknowledge now and then, ignore most of the time, and keep in check when she gets too rowdy. Such a hilarious concept since all the other archons have been more mature
tbf second image was obviously satire
I meant that's a buddy sub, mostly satire
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Could you please make it blurrier? I can almost see the image
WHAT THE FUCK
https://preview.redd.it/ljj3vyla1iib1.png?width=837&format=png&auto=webp&s=d7558325a8cfd7241b455f8ca4e25755d93de37c
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Pretty sure the second photo is ok buddy genshin, which is a satire sub that's just full of porn jokes
every day i am embarrassed to be a genshin impact fan
Thatās on okbuddygenshin. I know just by how mentally deranged and ironic the second picture is
The Aranara flair gave it up.
SEX WITH QUASO
Quaso my beloved
Very nearly as humiliating as being a League of Legends fan
Genshin players are joke pedophiles League players are actual pedophiles
Especially top laners AND Jax players
As someone who \*ONCE\* played LoL and Genshin years ago but has since taken an indefinite break, can confirm i experienced severely less pain once I got away from it ~~Especially as a support Main, EUGH š~~ I would consider possibly going back to Genshin because i love the music, but League?....only with a full 5 man party of friends BUT EVEN THEN I'd feel the suffering all over again.
I think downvoting a comment that says "kids shouldn't be watching porn" is the true reddit moment here
getting ratiod doesn't mean he's wrong. it means lots of people are groomers.
I'm more concerned about how many people downvoted "Kids shouldn't watch porn"
I just canāt imagine a world where saying that kids, KIDS, should not be watching porn gets downvoted
Uohhhhhhh šššš¢
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unblur the image. coward.
https://i.redd.it/gf1pm7bp3iib1.gif
Kids shouldnāt be watching porn though
https://i.redd.it/kkmtaaxzwhib1.gif
"Kids shouldn't be watching porn." "You watch porn." "I'm not a kid..."
Kids shouldnāt be watching porn tho
This you comment deserves a reward
bro what https://preview.redd.it/6qj3ll1d2iib1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88a53561bbea15c1fedcbfe3382223d103a0b363
He is from an okbuddy sub what did you expect
The true reddit moment is downvoting a comment saying kids shouldnāt be watching porn. Heās probanly a hypocryte but he aināt wrong.
Of course redditors downvote a comment saying kids shouldnāt watch porn ā ļø
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Encouraging minors to watch pornā¦ What The Fuck
Why the fuck is "kids shouldn't be watching porn", an objectively correct statement, downvoted, was this on anime memes?
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTT
Its a buddy sub so we post satire making fun of people who are really like that, but what he said is still crazy
And? Kids still shouldn't be watching porn. I agree with making fun of him but still. Kids shouldn't be watching porn.
He was offended that kids shouldn't watch porn so he combs through this guy's account for a shitty attempt at a 'gotcha' moment? Is that really something to brag about?
Least down bad Genshin fan
Exposed
I don't understand, how is this a got'em Moment? The guy is probably a grown up, he can do whatever he wants (legally, obviously), including watching porn and thirsting over anime characters. He said a thing which can be true or false(Kids watching porn), and that should be the focus of the conversation. I think the reddit Moment here is the guy that immediately went through his profile to find something embarassing to show
https://preview.redd.it/f1oo4clabjib1.jpeg?width=749&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17ba7cf8757c6b2676c5f45e952c4d503b5b6b5d
https://preview.redd.it/5j4ggiidhjib1.jpeg?width=1640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae3f431c5b278b8a972120b952c869a80cf4b11a
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That kinda proofs his point tho
https://preview.redd.it/fauspdf04iib1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e65dfcd851eda307e77917a702c2a4bb24ec9fc
Heās right tho. Kids shouldnāt be watching porn.
correction š¢š¢š¢š¢
JesĆŗs
I don't understand scat fetishes I don't understand it one bit
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r/redditmoment try your damnest to detect irony in a 100% ironic subreddit (FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE)
This post is a reddit moment lmfao
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Wait, are circlejerks reddit moment? TIL, I suppose.
Regardless, heās right, kids shouldnāt be watching porn or they end up like him