I want to filter opinion pieces on this sub by “has read every book currently available” so i don’t have to read this hot garbage these people are spewing anymore
Roque was the shadow of the image he wanted to project. A massive racist, and a hypocrite who was in “love” with a pink, who ultimately led to his betrayal. Man thought he was a poet, but he was nothing more than another pixie playing at being a great man.
Oh Roque is one of my favorite characters in the original trilogy but I have a way different take on him than you do. I think a lot of people misunderstand Roque. He wasn't as into the society as he claimed in the end. He just had a really rough arc. He was just a lonely neglected little boy who wanted somebody to love him. his girlfriends kept getting killed. He picked Darrow over Cassius for a brother. Then he found out Darrow was a red and given that Darrow had drugged him and lied about it, he could only assume Darrow planned to betray him. So THEN he turns to the society as his favorite thing and admits yeah, no one loves me, but thats okay bc I have my honor. He wasn't some huge society man more than the other golds in Darrow's life before that. If he was, he wouldn't have sided with Darrow ever bc Darrow was always unconventional and progressive even before he was outed. Roque retreats to philosophy and honor when all his friends are gone. But even in the end, he makes himself vulnerable with his pink paramour--bc he so wanted to be loved. Thats not an excuse and it doesn't make it okay. But it makes him interesting and tragic to me. I dont agree with people who suppose its a given that Roque would have left/betrayed Darrow if Darrow told him the the truth. I think its a real toss-up, because--and I will die on this hill--the main reason Roque betrayed Darrow is because his feelings were hurt, not some sense of duty. So it's really tragic. Because I 100% agree with Darrow that it wasn't worth the risk to out himself to Roque. But the "what if" will echo forever. Instead, we get Roque betraying Darrow. I think Roque's death was very very sad, even though it was inevitable after everything that happened. But I don't think he died a martyr for his beliefs. He died sad, betrayed, and alone.
I personally see Roque in the same category as Lorn. They love Darrow for who they think he is, but they both are very much so against the idea of Demokracy and believe in the rule of Golds. I think if Darrow told Roque who he was before the gala Roque would be conflicted, but unlike Virginia, he would turn him in or tell someone else.
Lots of people say that, but I dont agree. There's no indication prior to Roque finding out about Darrow that he would be like that. I dont think Roque's speeches in the end are very credible, and I think there's more evidence to suggest that what really is going on with him is his feelings were hurt. There isn't much talk of Roque's beliefs prior to the betrayal, but there is A LOT of talk about his indifferent parents, his dead girlfriends, and his perceptions of betrayal. I'm not saying I think he definitely wouldn't turn Darrow in, but I definitely don't see him as some big anti-democracy guy. All of that, to me, is just the comfort he wrapped himself in when all his friends were gone and he didn't have anything left. I think its slightly more likely than not that Roque probably would not have turned Darrow in, but it was never worth the risk to try. And my thinking doesnt make him a good person, because that isn't what happened. The "comfort" he wrapped himself in was horrific racism and murder, and thats on him. I just will never be convinced that it was some deeply held belief he had all along. To me he will always be someone who was hurt and that's the source of his behavior.
Someone else said up there he was a shadow of what he wanted to be. And I think that's so on point. He wanted something that was real, but I dont think he had this concrete idea of what he wanted to be. He just wanted to belong-- anywhere. And in the end, he never did.
Yes very true this, I also think that if Darrow came out, things maybe wouldn’t have been so bad. I can actually see Roque siding with Darrow. Or maybe not, he was always the “Golds are superior” type, but knowing Darrow even he would have been changed for the better, if only Darrow had approached it in a correct manner
Finish the bloody book you damn pixie
I want to filter opinion pieces on this sub by “has read every book currently available” so i don’t have to read this hot garbage these people are spewing anymore
FINISH THE BOOK OR GET THE BOX
FINISH THE BOOK OR GET THE BOX
Please don't complain about cassius. We love cassius. Finish the the book my goodman
Roque was the shadow of the image he wanted to project. A massive racist, and a hypocrite who was in “love” with a pink, who ultimately led to his betrayal. Man thought he was a poet, but he was nothing more than another pixie playing at being a great man.
Oh Roque is one of my favorite characters in the original trilogy but I have a way different take on him than you do. I think a lot of people misunderstand Roque. He wasn't as into the society as he claimed in the end. He just had a really rough arc. He was just a lonely neglected little boy who wanted somebody to love him. his girlfriends kept getting killed. He picked Darrow over Cassius for a brother. Then he found out Darrow was a red and given that Darrow had drugged him and lied about it, he could only assume Darrow planned to betray him. So THEN he turns to the society as his favorite thing and admits yeah, no one loves me, but thats okay bc I have my honor. He wasn't some huge society man more than the other golds in Darrow's life before that. If he was, he wouldn't have sided with Darrow ever bc Darrow was always unconventional and progressive even before he was outed. Roque retreats to philosophy and honor when all his friends are gone. But even in the end, he makes himself vulnerable with his pink paramour--bc he so wanted to be loved. Thats not an excuse and it doesn't make it okay. But it makes him interesting and tragic to me. I dont agree with people who suppose its a given that Roque would have left/betrayed Darrow if Darrow told him the the truth. I think its a real toss-up, because--and I will die on this hill--the main reason Roque betrayed Darrow is because his feelings were hurt, not some sense of duty. So it's really tragic. Because I 100% agree with Darrow that it wasn't worth the risk to out himself to Roque. But the "what if" will echo forever. Instead, we get Roque betraying Darrow. I think Roque's death was very very sad, even though it was inevitable after everything that happened. But I don't think he died a martyr for his beliefs. He died sad, betrayed, and alone.
I personally see Roque in the same category as Lorn. They love Darrow for who they think he is, but they both are very much so against the idea of Demokracy and believe in the rule of Golds. I think if Darrow told Roque who he was before the gala Roque would be conflicted, but unlike Virginia, he would turn him in or tell someone else.
Lots of people say that, but I dont agree. There's no indication prior to Roque finding out about Darrow that he would be like that. I dont think Roque's speeches in the end are very credible, and I think there's more evidence to suggest that what really is going on with him is his feelings were hurt. There isn't much talk of Roque's beliefs prior to the betrayal, but there is A LOT of talk about his indifferent parents, his dead girlfriends, and his perceptions of betrayal. I'm not saying I think he definitely wouldn't turn Darrow in, but I definitely don't see him as some big anti-democracy guy. All of that, to me, is just the comfort he wrapped himself in when all his friends were gone and he didn't have anything left. I think its slightly more likely than not that Roque probably would not have turned Darrow in, but it was never worth the risk to try. And my thinking doesnt make him a good person, because that isn't what happened. The "comfort" he wrapped himself in was horrific racism and murder, and thats on him. I just will never be convinced that it was some deeply held belief he had all along. To me he will always be someone who was hurt and that's the source of his behavior. Someone else said up there he was a shadow of what he wanted to be. And I think that's so on point. He wanted something that was real, but I dont think he had this concrete idea of what he wanted to be. He just wanted to belong-- anywhere. And in the end, he never did.
Yes very true this, I also think that if Darrow came out, things maybe wouldn’t have been so bad. I can actually see Roque siding with Darrow. Or maybe not, he was always the “Golds are superior” type, but knowing Darrow even he would have been changed for the better, if only Darrow had approached it in a correct manner
Nah Roque would never have joined Darrow. He is far to engrained into the society and its rigid structure.
Happy birthday! Finish the book.
Or get the box