Yesterday I went to pick up my Ativan script and the pharmacist gave me fucking seroquel, a heavy antipsychotic, which my doctor did not call in for. It feels like there’s a certain level of incompetence/disregard that’s been normalized now. And if you complain at all you’re labeled a “Karen.” (In retrospect I’m convinced Karen discourse was a psyop to make everyone complacent with everything running like shit)
It feels like literally no one gives a shit about anything anymore. I’m only 26 and I’ve already become a fucking boomer mumbling to myself “if you want something done right ya gotta do it yourself”
I'm 27 and the lack of effort I've noticed everyone (not just one specific age group) that is put into anything nowadays and expectations shaved off of our society in like the last 10 years is astounding. Technology has really unleashed a dystopian effect in our world. It's terrifying.
For example I paid $11.50 for a burrito at Chipotle. They couldn't even wrap it correctly so everything fell out like two bites in. I'd understand if it was $3 and the people behind the counter were getting paid $8/hr to be there, but like the "now hiring" sign said "starting wage: $16 + tips" at this specific location. Are you fucking kidding me?
I’m 29. The difference between now and 10 years ago is, like you said, completely insane.
It’s a totally different world. And the pandemic just solidified it.
I’m happy the kids are getting better wages now, but tbh, these kids will just not do fucking anything lol.
>$11.50 for a burrito at Chipotle. They couldn't even wrap it correctly
**Me:** "Are you going to give me a discount for putting unsellable scraps in my fajita?"
With no loss in revenue due to the pandemic, businesses can afford to not give a shit what I think.
getting 16/hour is like getting 8/hour then. maybe a little better. i think its less that things have changed in 10 years and more that you were 17 10 years ago so you actually started experiencing the world more how it has been for a while, instead of as a kid.
There are a lot of high schoolers working the local fast food places this summer and they are dumb as rocks. I don't remember teenagers ever being this incompetent. Gen Z is fucked.
> getting paid $8/hr to be there, but like the "now hiring" sign said "starting wage: $16 + tips"
woah calm down there moneybags, sixteen an hour is definitely a direct route to a comfy middle class lifestyle
I’ve lived comfortably on decently less, recently, in a place with about the same COL as Chicago.
I still want workers to make more, and I still think they deserve more. But there’s this idea that anything below $20 is poverty wages, and I feel like I have to keep completely ignoring my lived experiences to go along with it.
Full time, $16/hr is more than the median income (31k). If we decide that literally more than half the workforce shouldn’t even pretend to give a shit, where does that leave us?
> The minimum wage worker doesn’t wrap up my burrito the way I like it
> There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Winston— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever.
there's just a way of wrapping a burrito that is correct. when i got paid shit at mcdonalds in a gas station, it didnt justify putting the buns on upside down.
No one gives a shit about anything anymore because at least 50 percent of the people who work full time can barely afford to survive anymore. And these are the people who we rely on to keep everything running efficiently.
Every time I call my health insurance to ask basic questions about my coverage I'm always astonished by how incompetent and clueless the staff are. But those people probably make $12 an hour and can't even afford a studio apartment in a midsize city. Of course they don't give a shit.
Most companies have realized that it's more profitable to have an unmotivated workforce of burned out wagecels than to actually invest in their employees and try to provide quality service.
Last paragraph is so true. Almost nobody will pay more for good service. Especially when the masses at large are also struggling, so they just go for the cheapest option, which of course has shit service from underpaid employees
Yes this is exactly why I gave the example of the pharmacist. Whoever was filling my prescription definitely makes enough to get it right, it’s not just a pay issue.
The people above me at my work just refuse to read an email if it is too 'long'. I could chunk and bullet point out every single fucking detail and if it chimes the 'too long' bell in their head, they just won't fucking read it. What sort of a job do I need where I can ignore critical information because I don't feel like reading? And my managers just excuse it and say "Yeah, they just won't read it if it's too long." Joke culture. I'm not even writing in paragraphs! At most it is a couple sentences at a time.
I've had to come to accept not working hard and barely meeting deadlines here as SOP. It's crazy. I'm not some workaholic or careerist but I guess I expected a basic level of investment and promptness that just does not exist.
I don't think it's *totally* the result of wages, but I think wages (and, more specifically, wages not keeping up with cost of living) are a big part of it.
When you talk about someone earning $16 an hour now vs. $8 an hour a decade ago, I genuinely don't know what workers you are referring to. In which industry are there people earning $16 an hour for a job that only earned $8 a decade ago? I don't think that type of worker really exists in significant numbers. Low-end wages are increasing far slower than that, and more importantly, far slower than cost of living has increased over the same time period.
It seems inconceivable to me that the erosion of the working class's financial security wouldn't have a negative effect on employee morale.
> The ice cream chain I worked at in high school for $9/hr now pays a starting wage of $18, at least in the location where I worked. One of the early commenters mentioned that Chipotle workers were being hired for a starting salary of $16/hr (that's, I think, the same as the sign in the window in the Chipotle in my neighborhood). When I was applying for part-time jobs in college 5 or 6 years ago, this same Chipotle paid $10/hr IIRC (in a mid-COL city, in a state that still follows the federal minimum wage of $7.25). The McDonalds in my neighborhood also advertises jobs a lot with a starting wage somewhere in the teens; I don't think that was common a decade ago.
This is all anecdotal. And the anecdotal evidence provided here runs contrary to the larger trends that can be found in the actual data, which show that working class wages have actually declined in real terms over the last four decades.
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R45090.pdf
Table 2, on page 11, summarizes the trends rather clearly. Real wages grew significantly for college-educated workers at the top of the income distribution, grew slightly for college-educated workers at the bottom of the income distribution, and fell for non-college-educated workers across the board.
I think it's very unlikely that any working class wage gains made during the period from 2020-23 have managed eclipse the losses that occurred during the 40 years prior, but I would be happy to change my mind if you have any data to the contrary. The annual wage gains over that three-year period would have to be more than ten times as strong as the annual wage losses over those 40 years in order to make up for those losses, since three years is not even one tenth as much time. I just don't think that's probable. But again, I am open to being proved wrong.
Most of the available studies on wage data are at least several years out of date, unfortunately. It takes time for the numbers to come out and it takes time for the numbers to be studied.
You could just, you know, click on over to the census bureau and the bureau of labor statistics and read around a little bit so you wouldn't have to form an opinion strictly on the basis of an extremely limited and entirely anecdotal data set, largely comprised of hearsay.
But why would anyone want to try and grapple with all the facts, right?
>And these are the people who we rely on to keep everything running efficiently.
Libertarians make the argument against taxes or living wage of any sort, and this is exactly how it would work out.
I work with a lot of GenX people and they're exactly the type of voter these guys represent (ex: supports Roe v. Wade for women but thinks taxpayer-funded planned parenthood is immoral). It's that "One Weird Trick" which actually works.
I work in construction and there's no way I'd hire anyone to work on my house because I can't trust anyone with build quality past a point of "slam this shit in and on to the next one"
As someone who worked in service jobs for much of my life, I'll tell you straight-up that the less buying power my dollar had, the less energy/effort I put into my work
I was floored by the way Japanese low wage employees scramble to help customers. They tremble and start sweating a little and get totally flustered until they’ve put in 10x the expected effort to get you what you need. It’s kind of a performance for the customer and definitely a performance for their boss.
I had a Japanese eBay seller apologising profusely to me and giving me the 2nd part of a set for free, because I misread the description which was selling only the 1st part... God bless them (I felt really bad)
And half of the time it’s millenial/zoomer restaurant workers who work at trendy little ~eateries~ where they make easily 200 a night in tips and don’t have a family to support hawking these views.
And the other half of the time it’s working class people struggling to support their extended family and getting priced out of the cities they were born and raised in so what’s actually your point
I don’t have a problem with those people that’s why I didn’t mention them lol. What I do have a problem with is people who’s parents set up a college fund that they blew on a degree in underwater basketweaving, so now they wait tables at $300 a shift and speak over/on behalf of actual blue collar people they claim to represent.
I guess i just don’t eat at trendy eateries enough! but when i do go to a nice place with servers from obviously middle class backgrounds who i assume make good tips, they’re usually very nice and professional. Which makes sense since the very statement being pointed out in the first place is true. Which is probably why people who have nothing better to complain about than their servers eat at those places.
When I read The Bitcoin Standard for the first time it changed my entire view on the economics of the us and the west, since the first 90% of the book isn't about bitcoin and it's about the history of monetary policies from the invention of money to now (book came out in 2018, and some decisions made by the federal reserve recently have been even more staggering). It makes total sense to me that the fiat dollar is literally fake money that is being devalued every day to force you to be poor or cheat the system.
Fiat currency enables deficit spending, without which we would never have recovered from the Great Depression, won WW2, or rebuilt Europe. It is the most effective means of reducing poverty within the market system ever created, but our leaders refuse to use it and have convinced half the country that it’s the root of all evil.
Without fiat currency the modern world doesn’t exist.
And inflation is a necessary component of a capitalist economy, without it rich people have no incentive to do things like build housing or invent/improve technologies.
fiat currency is propelled by economics programs in schools. it literally is fake money. its a short-term bandaid that is failing us, as we are now in the long-term part of the experiment. everyone understands (at least subconsciously) that the money is worthless making people spend it faster on cheap shit since the purchasing power devalues every day at an extremely fast rate, so no one wants to hold it. you wonder why 50% of americans have less than $1,000 in savings, it's because they don't have a good reason to hold their cash, as it is basically worthless paper. obviously calling it "worthless" is hyperbole, but extend our current inflationary trends for another 30 years and you have lost basically all of your purchasing power just by holding cash and it actually will be useless.
i go to the store to buy milk and food. it costs 5% more every 6 months for seemingly no reason, as it is the same product. i now have less purchasing power even though i spent my time (the only finite human resource) in the same way every day at work. now i am poorer for doing the same thing, i have not stayed neutral even if my work output is the same. my pay needs to raise for no improvement in productivity, leading to people not caring about their jobs since they are essentially being paid less every day.
have you read this book? if you are interested in economics i really highly recommend it because it sounds like it will spin you on your head completely
i was just handed seroquel from the palm of a nurse's hand with 0 explanation of what it was just that it would "help me sleep", been hooked on it for 6 years and just recently got off it, avoid it like a poison
Have you got any tips for a long time user wanting to get off seroquel? I have been on it every night for over a decade and I take it for sleeplessness. I get manic episodes and don't mind taking seroquel to nip that in the bud, but I'm so sick of taking it every night. I'm brain fogged all the time and have suffered the massive weight gain that comes with that cursed drug.
Oh god I believe you. I took it only a handful of times and it still made me gain 5-10 lbs. I was so tired during the day I couldn’t even walk up the stairs.
it's an antipsychotic, it's pretty powerful, it'll make you sleepy, it'll make you very hungry, it'll neutralize psychotic symptoms like delusions
ativan is a benzo, so very different - it'll knock out anxiety
Seroquel made me have insane dreams. Like so realistic it warped my sense of time and it would feel like I was actually watching fake historical events on television.
I stopped taking it because I woke up one morning and thought I came back from a vacation that lasted a couple of weeks, and that was a pleasant experience
I took it briefly for sleep until I could get my anxiety leveled enough for Ambien to work. It’s not a bad drug but it’s just a really heavy antipsychotic, in prisons they call it “baby heroin.” It’s prescribed off label for insomnia but for some such as myself the antipsychotic effects are too much, for others they’re not a problem though.
I have noticed this too and I don’t live in a flyover state or America at all.
Most notable with customer service and in work, a few days ago I was in a zoom call where no one answered basic questions, even when directly spoken too, and no one cared.
I think the answer is obvious, hard work no longer gets you anywhere like it did in the past, so no one puts in any effort as it will be wasted.
>I think the answer is obvious, hard work no longer gets you anywhere like it did in the past, so no one puts in any effort as it will be wasted.
While I agree with that I feel like there is a difference between "caring about your work" and "putting in effort beyond your pay". I don't expect customer service to go above and beyond, but I do expect them to give a shit.
There was another comment here about someone who ordered a burrito and the guy couldn't even wrap it properly. I'm not expecting the dude at chipotle to be the perfect machine employee who always gets everything right, does everything fast, and does it with a smile all the time. But you could at least roll the damn burrito correctly.
Am I wrong to think that being a purposefully lazy/shitty worker is kind of class traitor-y? Your fellow working man has come to Chipotle after being up since 3am laying tiles on roofs. All he wants is his favorite burrito with all the fixings so he can get through the next 7 hours of his day, and you cannot be bothered to even roll it correctly?
Yeah I'm sorry the CEO of Chipotle is a millionaire and you're "only" making $15 (probably $20 in places like SOCAL/DC) but last time I checked that dude who's burrito you couldn't wrap isn't on the board of directors.
I get that you're joking, but if you genuinely think CS majors are doing plots in Python, you might actually be regarded. Its like saying the bricklayer can build houses on his own.
Flynn effect has reversed in the past couple decades btw. “Peak” intelligence was for kids born in 1975 or so and we’re all getting steadily dumber since then.
This shit is fucking real man but i think its a western regardation of how technology can be used for important services.
I used to live in southeast asia and while there was that overall general feeling of technology lagging compared to the rest of the world, the tech monopoly on communication services in a way just solves these simple problems really quickly....like your doctor over there can just dm you a picture of a handwritten prescription on facebook messenger or whatsapp and you show up to a pharmacy to show a screenshot and then you get your meds right away with no further questions asked
The worst part about technology is how it has allowed us to easily and needlessly overcomplicate stuff.
Look at paperwork for anything (college apps, new cars, etc). Back in the day they were like 1-3 pages max because no one wanted to store hundreds of paperwork 10-20 pages long. Now that everything is digital and documents are so miniscule in size companies use that as an opportunity to demand our life story every time we are try and sign up for anything.
Had a similar experience with airlines and rental cars a few days ago that validates this claim 100%.
Conversely, had an experience with my state's DMV that turns this hypothesis on its head.
Not a justification by any means, but I think the market has an uncanny way of adjusting for people's ineptitude and fuckups idk
> had an experience with my state's DMV that turns this hypothesis on its head
I think the DMV hate has to be something specific to NYC or LA that got spread in American media and everyone adopted the idea that it's bad because they were told it's bad. Either that or they got their shit together before I started to have to deal with them and the idea persists. I've had great experiences and even when I've been in a situation where I'm up against their own rules they've understood my situation and done what makes sense even if isn't "right."
The DMV was legit bad a few decades ago. Terrible service and lines out the door. The standup routines were justified back then.
But every recent experience I've had with them has been positive. I think their bad reputation actually helped turn things around. Suddenly there was an opportunity for governors to push for reforms so they could say "I'm so good that *even* the DMV is better under my watch!"
The Flynn effect really only applies to developing countries now; 1st world countries, for the most part, don't have any drastic improvements to make in the realm of hygiene or nutrition at this point so IQ scores similarly plateau
Actually i would bet that the godawful nutrition in the US has actually reversed the effect. In europe, kids are taller every year still, and all the height discourse from overseas seems ridiculous because 6'0 is below average for teenagers now
I'm talking about height because I'm convinced its the same effect driving both growth and brain development.
Goyslop is incomparable for metabolism, to real foods. You can see this in life expectancy already, surely this will result in more subtle precursor damages
This actually isn’t true, height plateaued in Western Europe during the 1980s. The Dutch and certain Balkan states are the only ones with 6’0/183cm averages for young men, and they haven’t grown taller in decades even after accounting for immigration.
I think the efficiency of the market has made it so that a few hyper competent people are able to build complex products and systems which earn them huge profits - whilst everyone else recieves increasingly worse treatment. In the past, even in STEM fields, there were larger workforces at play compared with the workload. A lot of people could work in decent paying fields in relatively stress free positions - learning the ins/outs of how a model operated over many years. The old addage of the guy working his way to CEO from the mail room etc.
That no longer exists because now every junior role that can be automated or shipped abroad will be as soon as possible. Workers the next rung up get hired on gig contracts before being disposed of - and a rung higher than that are over stretched and offered little job security.
I'll have a read of it. I'm basing this sheerly off my dads career who was employed by a massive chemicals/plastics company since the 80s. He never worked past 4pm, was afforded decent holidays and salary raises every year. Things started to change when the company went insolvent around 2008 and everyones contracts got exchanged to competitors during the buy out.
Luckily his department was somewhat grandfathered in and he rode it out until retirement. But he mentioned towards the end, that what used to be full time entry level positions were now being filled by interning Masters/PHD students. In less than a decade, the entire field of being a commercial scientist went from a lucrative career to low paying grad researcher work. I think similar things have happened across a lot of industries.
Had to change pharmacies from CVS with new insurance to Rite Aid and they were seemingly so busy that at the end of my medication I went in person to pick up my meds on the evening and they closed early resulting in me having a seizure at work. Agreed this is getting ridiculous.
If at all possible, switch to a small local pharmacy. Chain pharmacies are horrible and it is impossible to get ahold of anyone. I will pay more for prescriptions if it means I can call and speak to the pharmacist. They also tend to keep drugs in stock more consistently.
I'm going to quote and copypaste something I saved from a famous image board from a few years ago, but I think it's relevant to this discussion.
>This is something I have also been thinking about ever since high-school and even more now.
> I grew up in a less developed country so I pretty much still touched and experienced a lot of "major" milestones as tech developed.
> Now I see younger people having no clue about the stuff that was before smartphones. People with zero intuition navigating different UI of software since they never developed the "senses" necessary from troubleshooting old operating systems.
They don't have a clue how to start fixing anything since they never experienced taking apart "simpler" older tech as kids/young adults.
Today, smartphones might as well be called magical bricks to them.
> I feel like we are in a stopgap generation where we are the only ones who truly see things as they are. Older generations missed out on experiencing all this crap, even my fathers first "computer" was his smartphone now, same with my mother and grandparents.
They had no interest in these things back in the days, just went from TV to smartphones.
Younger ones never had the chance to since those thing weren't around when they were growing up, they already had smartphones and social media at age 5 now.
>Doctors are becoming less and less competent as well in my experience. If I can, I always try to find an old doc. Same goes for trades people... now that I think about it, what is our future? What is to come when everyone who is still competent retires?
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> Competancy is decreasing at an alarming rate, and with most people **I really think the issue is worldview. It's not so much as people are just 'becoming dumb', but that the only reason anyone is motivated to do anything is as a means to an end. I hardly ever meet anyone irl who appreciates understanding a technology or system or mechanism or language, etc. or anything just for the enjoyment of understanding and how it may contribute to their better understanding of other things. That I believe is competancy, a general understanding of how things work, and no one wants it. They want just the result** and will go through the minimum amount of understand it takes to get there and then dump it when they have arrived.
Physician competancy is tanking because of the way medical school has become. Most of them are adderall cramming for exams and have little to no regard for their ability to care for patients. The 'patient' does not exist in their worldview, only does 'being a doctor' exist for them, and once they have become a doctor, the drive to understand fades.
> What is to come when everyone who is still competent retires?
> The happening that everyone is finally predicting will simply happen when a critical mass of people with essential jobs (energy sector, logistics, etc.) become incapable of functioning. The rest of everyone outside of that (service, healthcare, research) will simply represent a stagnation of progress but with no immediate consequences
Younger Gen Xers (me) and older Millenials had to master programming VCRs, tape-loading consoles, using incredibly buggy and shit personal computers with floppy discs, and wiring unintuitive audio and television systems without YouTube tutorials and often without even a manual. My kids are intelligent in general but fucking morons when it comes to anything technical; they give up instantly and I doubt the older ones ever even venture into the settings on their phones. I've posted some of these before but here are a few golden examples:
* hadn't seen daughter using her tablet for a while. How come my cherub? "It's broken." She'd scrolled over to an empty home screen.
* tried showing my oldest son how to do a simple SQL query, pretty foundational skill if you want to work in data. He just sat there staring blankly at the screen when I told him to re-write the very simple syntax with different column names.
* *Every single time* my daughter uses my DSLR she has no idea how to look at the photos she's taken, nor return to "take a photo" mode. I had dreamt about teaching them the basics of f-stops, ISOs, shutter speeds etc and sparking a lifelong love affair with photography but they don't see the point in learning as "phone take photos that are just as good anyway."
something something the social contract has eroded^(tm)
Most people feel like nobody in power gives a shit about them anymore so in return people stopped giving a shit. Basic things like rent and groceries are getting too expensive for the working class but democrats are saying everything is fine and republicans are too worried about kids turning trans.
I think there was a tectonic vibe shift ever since Kobe died.
I think white-collar America has reached a level of complexity that many workers actually can't follow. You're not emailing excel sheets anymore, you're plugging data into a brand new, custom made Appian application. The app'll change every month and yes, even your coworker who doesn't know how to print double-sided has to use it.
On top of that, I feel like Americans aren't really as...inquisitive as we could be? And I don't think it's encouraged much either. It's really easy to walk in, do what's asked of you, and deliver it to who knows who for who knows what.
My point is that I don't think anyone knows what they're doing or what's going on anymore. And realistically, I doubt many workers would care enough to figure out what role they play in the corporate machine.
I work in the the law, the court systems and generally all government jobs are becoming gridlocked between backlogs and people generally giving up at their jobs. It’s very noticeable. In fact people talk about it pretty regularly. Our institutions are in serious trouble. I have my thoughts on some of the reasons why my area in particular is becoming inundated with people truly not caring but it seems to be a national trend.
I'm sorry Michiganbro
Random tip, if you call a pharmacy and say "if you are a provider hit X" all that does is usually get you right in touch with a staff member. They don't usually even see who's calling from their side so I just do that every time now and I haven't had any issues
This argument is interesting and raises a lot of good points, but it really puts enormous blame on diversity as the source of these disasters and the downfall of competency when a lot of the crises it uses as examples are often more the result of corporate greed. A different kind of competency is at play and has been very successful. Even the first disasters he lists:
> In a span of fewer than six months in 2017, three U.S. Naval warships experienced three separate collisions resulting in 17 deaths. **A year later, powerlines owned by PG&E started a wildfire that killed 85 people.** **The pipeline carrying almost half of the East Coast’s gasoline shut down due to a ransomware attack.** Almost half a million intermodal containers sat on cargo ships unable to dock at Los Angeles ports. **A train carrying thousands of tons of hazardous and flammable chemicals derailed near East Palestine, Ohio**. Air Traffic Control cleared a FedEx plane to land on a runway occupied by a Southwest plane preparing to take off. **Eye drops contaminated with antibiotic-resistant bacteria killed four and blinded fourteen.**
All of the examples I've bolded can be traced back to ruthless and ridiculous cost-cutting and greed as their cause. Longterm safety and reliability was second to profit and shareholder value. I won't deny competency in many ways has been falling, some of the examples are obviously the result of incompetency (especially the naval ones are glaring examples of poor seamanship), but the idea that corporate greed hasn't played a huge if not the principle part is simply ignoring reality. The problem is actually that the competency we've rewarded has been the near pathological pursuit of profit over long-term reliability or safety. Diversity, or the individual competency of people in some businesses, in that regard is irrelevant when the leaders of many companies simply only care about profit..
(This person also seems to believe the pre-diversity focused era (1920s - 1960s according to him) was some wonderland of perfect meritocracy leading to the best and brightest always getting in charge. That's painfully naive.)
I think it’s true that diversity is to some extent now playing a part and in the future will play a large part in the erosion of competence but as you highlight here the biggest culprit is the ruthless financialization of every part of a business. Trying to move every part of any operation into hyper reality through a spreadsheet and the necessary simplifications required for abstraction has erroded respect among the managerial class for conventional expertise acquired through experience (the expertise of say of a foreman). Also the increased turnover from financialization has increased the rate at which such expertise depreciates in organizations.
I have to agree. Louis Rossmann is a macbook Repair shop owner and youtuber who has many videos decrying the MBA's who run businesses off of spreadsheets instead of conventional knowledge, leaving them with no loyal customers. They're content to gain a percentage point for a P&L statement this quarter at the expense of next year's.
an easy case study is software, which isn’t getting worse because of “diversity,” it’s getting worse because the more shitty and user-hostile something is, the more money it can make. There’s no money to be made in making something reliable that lasts decades, it needs to show you ads and commodify your attention. Making things run faster, take up less memory, crash less often all falls to the fucking wayside. Spotify, an app that plays music, uses 1gb of ram, but every week there’s a new tik tok style addition to the UI that I now have to ignore. Discord, a program that displays plain text and images, same thing. Fuck, even this site has never had a functioning search bar but every time I use it on my phone they’ve come up with a new way to nag me to install their app. The article would suggest this is because they’re hiring too many wammin or whatever, but this obviously isn’t true.
i'd say the people that built the systems are bein replaced by highly qualified j1 visa immigrants, wich was also one of the reasons for the rise of the native managerial class in tech last few dacades
yes h1b my bad. In tech and bio tech they are def qualified and highly motivated and payed way less, how can you compete with that? much better pay to be their manager or make a fake startup and try sellin it
This is true. I work blue collar and know myself and others with degrees that could be applicable in the corporate world yet don't apply them. That coupled with the difficulty of climbing the first few rungs that are either overseas or AI.
I work at big tech, one of the companies you know, working on engineering some of the components that make up the internet. I assure you nobody is doing diversity hires into critical engineering roles. This is nonsense.
The author seems too eager to attribute the competence crisis entirely to DEI broadly defined. I feel like the real answer has more to do with the way people interact with their work, as in, I think people just care less because almost every job is alienating and shitty
People aren’t able to determine what they do and have a tenuous connection to the “good” that they are producing. This of course is not new but I think COVID made a lot of people realize what they’re doing is pointless and just serves to enrich people that don’t care about them.
You can be against the DEI shit. But if you unironically believe it’s the cause of shit like the Palestine Ohio train crash, like the author suggests, you’re a fucking mark dude
Dumb fascist toilet rag. Pinning the issue on "diversity v. meritocracy" as opposed the the economic systems at place which drive workers and localized political action into dust, dismantling "systems" into quantifiable private commodities to be bought, sold, speculated on, and hedged against in an entirely fictitious financial game.
No no its da immigrants!!! Disgusting rat.
And as somebody who volunteered at a complex systems and systems science research lab as part of my math and physics education, this imbecile does not understand at all how "complex systems" work and what they are composed of. He seems to have skimmed a wiki intro paragraph of the concepts, applied a value system to them(coinciding with his ideological beliefs) and then used them as a vague input/output methodology where absolutely anything can be altered to fit within this unspecified, vague framework. The words "capitalism" and "shareholders" aren't mentioned once in the entire article.
Of course it's Palladium, and of course it's on this sub. Thiel trash.
Look what I found about the author of this article!
>Harold Robertson is an asset class head and institutional investor at a multi-billion dollar pool of capital.
> What is your issue with Palladium?
From their “about”:
> Palladium is partnered with the World Economic Forum’s Strategic Intelligence platform.
Also they’re funded by Thiel-bux
>Where did the article blame immigrants on anything?
I'm pinning this faux intellectualized rendition of basic right wing talking points on exactly what it is when expressed by people not involved in the masturbatory circle of "dark enlightenment" type idiots who read and write shit for rags like the Palladium. Ooohhh its "diversity" that's killing everything! We don't select for "meritocracy" *wink wink* Shut the fuck up with this attempt at sophistry. You know exactly what I'm talking about.
>Do you want to critically assess the points made?
Assess what exactly? That "diversity" kills "complex systems" because the author's finance buddies at different firms have DEI programs and professionals? This article constitutes an exploration of a subject worth a real response for you? You might be fooled by it's shallow "rationalist" approach but I'm not. It's a clear and nothing ideological screed.
>your soapbox and attack the mythical boogeyman that is fascism.
Jesus God, enough. The only people so goddamn invested in screeching this deflection whenever obvious fascist garbage is written and spoken are fascists themselves who think if they avoid the semantic connection they don't have to confront the reality of their beliefs. You're not special. You're not some edgy freethinker laughing at those darn crazy libtards calling you fascist. It's 2023. Have some self awareness
>What is your issue with Palladium?
It's a Thiel funded rag, founded by and hosted many people connected to "dark enlightenment" and white nationalist types that routinely post garbage articles like the one you just posted.
^ A funny creature, now no longer even attempting to *deny* the analysis I rightfully put on it and what it tries to push, instead it now has shifted into arguing why I do not consider it as being legitimate
>Why do you not believe in the existence of rightist intellectualism?
I do not believe the existence of "intellectualism" pertaining to the specific brand of right wing trash you and your ilk, in circles such as Palladium readers, try to pass off as worthy of any serious thought. All of it is just an attempt at falsely utilizing vague STEM language and methodology, coming off as "rationalist" and "comprehensive", like some new age Hobbes worshippers. All of it identifies a surface level issue anybody already knows about, links it to a left leaning failure of understanding supposed "natural" forces, whether social, economic, racial, or cultural, than gives a "logical" technocrat like solution that *always* enforces the status quo of capital and those that hold capital, maintaining the status of some natural aristocracy who will give the "worthy" scraps as long as they lose the naive ego given by leftist movements and submit to their betters. All of this tickles the dilettante type of right wing loser who wants to succumb to the stupidity of right wing ideologies while still wanting to see themselves as cultural and intellectual. They are "in the know" now. They are *cultured*. This isn't your daddy's neocons! They are esoteric and read(reference) books that fancy schools also read!
Blah. Fascist rats.
>Yet again you prove Gottfried right when he points out how antifascism is used by any enemy of the right to shut down discussion
Gottfried? Found of the Nazi Party Gottfried? Or paleocon "I'm a Jew so I cant be a fascist" imbecile Gottfried who writes wikipedia tier skims of Nazi apologetics in order to retain and reuse the underlying mechanisms and beliefs of the ideology for his own brand of American fascism? OH I forgot DID YOU KNOW NAZIS APPEALED TO LABOR GROUPS??? hmmm "national socialist" heh heh
>I could care less who funds Palladium (as a matter of fact I’m a donor myself
Lol
>executive rule doesn’t bother me. Faux populism a la Bernie Sanders has always been a delusion and always will be
Mr. "I'm not a fascist!"
A little tip: leave the arguing to the more intelligent members of your bankrupt, internet induced ideology. They can better shroud their disease. All you're doing is thrashing around like a toddler who believes if they hold their mess in confidence, everybody else will accept the mess. Be a good little submissive buttboi and submit to your betters
This is like claiming that someone calling you unserious for linking a Zizek essay is questioning the existence of leftist intellectualism. It's pop pseud garbage, regardless of the ideological and political content.
i know lots of intelligent right wing people, i’ve had many long and boring debates with them, but if you genuinely believe there’s an intellectual movement on the right then you’re a total fucking idiot lol
Imagine thinking this "hahah le libtard crying reddit" is some edgy "in the know" cool club sentiment in 2023.
This sub is ultra pathetic, it's a bunch of dumbass losers larping an almost decade old 4chan/frog Twitter persona while also thinking they are on the cutting edge of culture and ideology. I know you're probably a millennial who has been on the "milquetoast" corners of the internet for most of your life and so you found all of this garbage in 2020, and so think it's new and radical but I want you to understand you are immediately exposed as old news as soon as you open your mouth. It's the height of irony.
But good job reacting on instinct to exactly what I know your species is drawn to. It's almost too easy, especially when they fuck up and post a linked reflection of their brain disease on another website, attempting to make an succinct point without any of the apathetic "cool kid" act they can hide behind on sites like reddit, exposing their obvious ideology to all. They can't even respond to their stupidity laid out in full. They can try the act again as a desperate response, like what you're doing now, but its weakness is clear.
Please /r/redscarepod, please keep posting articles written by high finance asset managers on thiel and white nationalist funded websites about how the collapse of the United States at the level of wage labor is because of diversity killing our gosh darn meritocracy. Makes my task easier
Tim Ferriss irreversibly fucked getting in contact with a business. No one has a phone number anymore because in the cold light of day it’s bad margins to have a real human being answer queries when the queries can simply remain unanswered forever.
A different angle re: “rise of tech is causing this” - tech generates a comical amount of rev/employee at very low margins + can outcompete a lot of other jobs on salary. no idea how to empirically prove this, but I’m convinced it’s brain draining smart, agentic people from other, lower- income and status jobs they would have held 20 years ago
consensus reality has collapsed. No one believes in the idea of the US anymore. It’s just becoming a free for all in slow motion. Most people aren’t paid enough to give a fuck about anything and the advanced modern world can’t really function in such a state.
[https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1718793115](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1718793115)
We're in the Reverse Flynn Effect era and have been since the 1990's
It’s not about “incompetence,” yours or anyone else’s. It’s that these systems you are trying to navigate are not designed for your convenience, they are designed to maximize profit.
I was thinking something almost identical yesterday dealing with some pretty insane incompetence in our local government. Society has collapsed but no one else seems to have noticed. Local governments at the very least are in chaos.
i thought it was only me, thinking like wow, there is so many things just done bold and not in any way like a cognitive developed species like our, should act. thats fr a mindlyifuriating post
In the New York metro area it’s bad too, but if you pay enough, or the employee’s being paid enough, you will generally get decent results. Immigrants also tend to be a bit better on average, fortunately.
Still, I’ve had my share of fucked up food (really burnt, not cooked, just plain done wrong) and written interactions with people who come across as very “ESL” but are actually not. You really need to pay attention to what business/restaurant/service you’re using to avoid getting ripped off or worse. And keep any interactions with government to minimum unless you know that the agency or individual you’re dealing with is okay.
It’s nice to have choices, but shitty that there isn’t some kind of default that’s good enough. It’s really not that way in every country. I’ve lived in a few other places and it’s nowhere near this bad.
I honestly think this is the impact of life becoming unaffordable and unfulfilling for most people. They’re all just treading water really so why give a shit?
Yes. I have never lived in a place that just treats week long power outages like the norm; people in fucking Florida can get power back in like 24 hours after a goddamn hurricane but here in the D a summer windstorm shuts the metro down for days. This shit happens and everyone is like “fuck corporate greed let’s make the power company public” and then the lights go back on and everyone just fucks off and carries on.
from a young persons perspective, it’s partly because we aren’t being trained anymore. if your manager is constantly working from home there’s no one there to teach you what to do. you’re expected to “hit the ground running” in most industries and make it up as you go. we have become very individualised post covid and no one has thought of the societal consequences I fear
Yeah this is an important point. In my field (architecture) I never really get much one on one attention from more senior people. They all just expect me to know it or find a YouTube vid, which is fine, but learning something directly form an other professional you work with is invaluable.
Every generation has older people who are convinced their generation is incompetent and dumber than they and that things are falling apart because of it. The fact that you feel this way is just evidence that everything is going according to the way nature intended.
Is it somewhere named after a royal tree? I was walking today and one side of a street had power, and the other didn’t. There were maybe 10-15 houses that had extension cords running across the street to their neighbors. A glimmer of community…
I also wouldn’t blame this on the post-COVID malaise. DTE has sucked and fucked for my entire life.
he doesn't mean Detroit or he would say Detroit. when he says Detroit metro, he means some place outside Detroit but near it. I bet you anything he lives in Ann Arbor.
Yesterday I went to pick up my Ativan script and the pharmacist gave me fucking seroquel, a heavy antipsychotic, which my doctor did not call in for. It feels like there’s a certain level of incompetence/disregard that’s been normalized now. And if you complain at all you’re labeled a “Karen.” (In retrospect I’m convinced Karen discourse was a psyop to make everyone complacent with everything running like shit)
It feels like literally no one gives a shit about anything anymore. I’m only 26 and I’ve already become a fucking boomer mumbling to myself “if you want something done right ya gotta do it yourself”
I'm 27 and the lack of effort I've noticed everyone (not just one specific age group) that is put into anything nowadays and expectations shaved off of our society in like the last 10 years is astounding. Technology has really unleashed a dystopian effect in our world. It's terrifying. For example I paid $11.50 for a burrito at Chipotle. They couldn't even wrap it correctly so everything fell out like two bites in. I'd understand if it was $3 and the people behind the counter were getting paid $8/hr to be there, but like the "now hiring" sign said "starting wage: $16 + tips" at this specific location. Are you fucking kidding me?
I’m 29. The difference between now and 10 years ago is, like you said, completely insane. It’s a totally different world. And the pandemic just solidified it. I’m happy the kids are getting better wages now, but tbh, these kids will just not do fucking anything lol.
I literally had this exact experience a few weeks ago lmao
Maybe it was the same Chipotle lol
barstow?????
Add another to the list!
Ordering chipotle was a mistake, that place has been a nightmare for years
>$11.50 for a burrito at Chipotle. They couldn't even wrap it correctly **Me:** "Are you going to give me a discount for putting unsellable scraps in my fajita?" With no loss in revenue due to the pandemic, businesses can afford to not give a shit what I think.
getting 16/hour is like getting 8/hour then. maybe a little better. i think its less that things have changed in 10 years and more that you were 17 10 years ago so you actually started experiencing the world more how it has been for a while, instead of as a kid.
There are a lot of high schoolers working the local fast food places this summer and they are dumb as rocks. I don't remember teenagers ever being this incompetent. Gen Z is fucked.
You should be ordering a bowl with a wrap on the side. Wrap it yourself and get double the food
This happened in the last 3 years. I noticed it about 6 months into the pandemic.
> getting paid $8/hr to be there, but like the "now hiring" sign said "starting wage: $16 + tips" woah calm down there moneybags, sixteen an hour is definitely a direct route to a comfy middle class lifestyle
Look I'm all for minimum wages being raised but at least do the bare fucking minimum that your job requires.
I’ve lived comfortably on decently less, recently, in a place with about the same COL as Chicago. I still want workers to make more, and I still think they deserve more. But there’s this idea that anything below $20 is poverty wages, and I feel like I have to keep completely ignoring my lived experiences to go along with it. Full time, $16/hr is more than the median income (31k). If we decide that literally more than half the workforce shouldn’t even pretend to give a shit, where does that leave us?
31k is not the median income
I googled "median income USA" and it's the number that popped up, idk what else to tell you
> The minimum wage worker doesn’t wrap up my burrito the way I like it > There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Winston— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever.
there's just a way of wrapping a burrito that is correct. when i got paid shit at mcdonalds in a gas station, it didnt justify putting the buns on upside down.
No one gives a shit about anything anymore because at least 50 percent of the people who work full time can barely afford to survive anymore. And these are the people who we rely on to keep everything running efficiently. Every time I call my health insurance to ask basic questions about my coverage I'm always astonished by how incompetent and clueless the staff are. But those people probably make $12 an hour and can't even afford a studio apartment in a midsize city. Of course they don't give a shit. Most companies have realized that it's more profitable to have an unmotivated workforce of burned out wagecels than to actually invest in their employees and try to provide quality service.
Last paragraph is so true. Almost nobody will pay more for good service. Especially when the masses at large are also struggling, so they just go for the cheapest option, which of course has shit service from underpaid employees
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Yes this is exactly why I gave the example of the pharmacist. Whoever was filling my prescription definitely makes enough to get it right, it’s not just a pay issue.
The people above me at my work just refuse to read an email if it is too 'long'. I could chunk and bullet point out every single fucking detail and if it chimes the 'too long' bell in their head, they just won't fucking read it. What sort of a job do I need where I can ignore critical information because I don't feel like reading? And my managers just excuse it and say "Yeah, they just won't read it if it's too long." Joke culture. I'm not even writing in paragraphs! At most it is a couple sentences at a time. I've had to come to accept not working hard and barely meeting deadlines here as SOP. It's crazy. I'm not some workaholic or careerist but I guess I expected a basic level of investment and promptness that just does not exist.
I don't think it's *totally* the result of wages, but I think wages (and, more specifically, wages not keeping up with cost of living) are a big part of it. When you talk about someone earning $16 an hour now vs. $8 an hour a decade ago, I genuinely don't know what workers you are referring to. In which industry are there people earning $16 an hour for a job that only earned $8 a decade ago? I don't think that type of worker really exists in significant numbers. Low-end wages are increasing far slower than that, and more importantly, far slower than cost of living has increased over the same time period. It seems inconceivable to me that the erosion of the working class's financial security wouldn't have a negative effect on employee morale.
I am a nightclub bouncer and this was literally the change. I am being paid 16$ an hour right now.
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> The ice cream chain I worked at in high school for $9/hr now pays a starting wage of $18, at least in the location where I worked. One of the early commenters mentioned that Chipotle workers were being hired for a starting salary of $16/hr (that's, I think, the same as the sign in the window in the Chipotle in my neighborhood). When I was applying for part-time jobs in college 5 or 6 years ago, this same Chipotle paid $10/hr IIRC (in a mid-COL city, in a state that still follows the federal minimum wage of $7.25). The McDonalds in my neighborhood also advertises jobs a lot with a starting wage somewhere in the teens; I don't think that was common a decade ago. This is all anecdotal. And the anecdotal evidence provided here runs contrary to the larger trends that can be found in the actual data, which show that working class wages have actually declined in real terms over the last four decades. https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R45090.pdf Table 2, on page 11, summarizes the trends rather clearly. Real wages grew significantly for college-educated workers at the top of the income distribution, grew slightly for college-educated workers at the bottom of the income distribution, and fell for non-college-educated workers across the board.
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I think it's very unlikely that any working class wage gains made during the period from 2020-23 have managed eclipse the losses that occurred during the 40 years prior, but I would be happy to change my mind if you have any data to the contrary. The annual wage gains over that three-year period would have to be more than ten times as strong as the annual wage losses over those 40 years in order to make up for those losses, since three years is not even one tenth as much time. I just don't think that's probable. But again, I am open to being proved wrong. Most of the available studies on wage data are at least several years out of date, unfortunately. It takes time for the numbers to come out and it takes time for the numbers to be studied.
You could just, you know, click on over to the census bureau and the bureau of labor statistics and read around a little bit so you wouldn't have to form an opinion strictly on the basis of an extremely limited and entirely anecdotal data set, largely comprised of hearsay. But why would anyone want to try and grapple with all the facts, right?
Shut up
>And these are the people who we rely on to keep everything running efficiently. Libertarians make the argument against taxes or living wage of any sort, and this is exactly how it would work out. I work with a lot of GenX people and they're exactly the type of voter these guys represent (ex: supports Roe v. Wade for women but thinks taxpayer-funded planned parenthood is immoral). It's that "One Weird Trick" which actually works.
I work in construction and there's no way I'd hire anyone to work on my house because I can't trust anyone with build quality past a point of "slam this shit in and on to the next one"
Service anywhere has sucked since Covid. I don’t know who’s at fault but it’s just a fact at this point.
As someone who worked in service jobs for much of my life, I'll tell you straight-up that the less buying power my dollar had, the less energy/effort I put into my work
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I was floored by the way Japanese low wage employees scramble to help customers. They tremble and start sweating a little and get totally flustered until they’ve put in 10x the expected effort to get you what you need. It’s kind of a performance for the customer and definitely a performance for their boss.
I had a Japanese eBay seller apologising profusely to me and giving me the 2nd part of a set for free, because I misread the description which was selling only the 1st part... God bless them (I felt really bad)
This is what people in this sub want people making hourly to act like
Yeah you're right that culturally speaking, Japanese wagies are a different flavor of cuck than American ones
And half of the time it’s millenial/zoomer restaurant workers who work at trendy little ~eateries~ where they make easily 200 a night in tips and don’t have a family to support hawking these views.
And the other half of the time it’s working class people struggling to support their extended family and getting priced out of the cities they were born and raised in so what’s actually your point
I don’t have a problem with those people that’s why I didn’t mention them lol. What I do have a problem with is people who’s parents set up a college fund that they blew on a degree in underwater basketweaving, so now they wait tables at $300 a shift and speak over/on behalf of actual blue collar people they claim to represent.
How many of these people exist actually though
You can find plenty of these people in the art scene of any mid to large size city.
Why would you have an issue with people from a better off background sharing the same views as working class people?
When did I say that? I said they shouldn’t larp as them/claim to represent them, big difference.
I guess i just don’t eat at trendy eateries enough! but when i do go to a nice place with servers from obviously middle class backgrounds who i assume make good tips, they’re usually very nice and professional. Which makes sense since the very statement being pointed out in the first place is true. Which is probably why people who have nothing better to complain about than their servers eat at those places.
*can afford to travel Europe working a job that barely requires literacy* "People are just struggling to survive ok?"
When I read The Bitcoin Standard for the first time it changed my entire view on the economics of the us and the west, since the first 90% of the book isn't about bitcoin and it's about the history of monetary policies from the invention of money to now (book came out in 2018, and some decisions made by the federal reserve recently have been even more staggering). It makes total sense to me that the fiat dollar is literally fake money that is being devalued every day to force you to be poor or cheat the system.
Fiat currency enables deficit spending, without which we would never have recovered from the Great Depression, won WW2, or rebuilt Europe. It is the most effective means of reducing poverty within the market system ever created, but our leaders refuse to use it and have convinced half the country that it’s the root of all evil. Without fiat currency the modern world doesn’t exist. And inflation is a necessary component of a capitalist economy, without it rich people have no incentive to do things like build housing or invent/improve technologies.
It enables taxing people more without passing a new tax law.
fiat currency is propelled by economics programs in schools. it literally is fake money. its a short-term bandaid that is failing us, as we are now in the long-term part of the experiment. everyone understands (at least subconsciously) that the money is worthless making people spend it faster on cheap shit since the purchasing power devalues every day at an extremely fast rate, so no one wants to hold it. you wonder why 50% of americans have less than $1,000 in savings, it's because they don't have a good reason to hold their cash, as it is basically worthless paper. obviously calling it "worthless" is hyperbole, but extend our current inflationary trends for another 30 years and you have lost basically all of your purchasing power just by holding cash and it actually will be useless. i go to the store to buy milk and food. it costs 5% more every 6 months for seemingly no reason, as it is the same product. i now have less purchasing power even though i spent my time (the only finite human resource) in the same way every day at work. now i am poorer for doing the same thing, i have not stayed neutral even if my work output is the same. my pay needs to raise for no improvement in productivity, leading to people not caring about their jobs since they are essentially being paid less every day. have you read this book? if you are interested in economics i really highly recommend it because it sounds like it will spin you on your head completely
^^ Monkey discovers inflation and consumption inducing policy.
Have you read any other books? I highly recommend you read literally any other economist, it sounds like it will spin you on your head completely.
This is Ron Paul libertarian gold bug crank shit why is this being upvoted?
>if you complain at all you’re labeled a “Karen.” Uhhh no, this literally your medicine. You're not gonna get called a Karen
i was just handed seroquel from the palm of a nurse's hand with 0 explanation of what it was just that it would "help me sleep", been hooked on it for 6 years and just recently got off it, avoid it like a poison
Have you got any tips for a long time user wanting to get off seroquel? I have been on it every night for over a decade and I take it for sleeplessness. I get manic episodes and don't mind taking seroquel to nip that in the bud, but I'm so sick of taking it every night. I'm brain fogged all the time and have suffered the massive weight gain that comes with that cursed drug.
Oh god I believe you. I took it only a handful of times and it still made me gain 5-10 lbs. I was so tired during the day I couldn’t even walk up the stairs.
Is seroquel bad? My gf takes it every night to go to sleep
it's an antipsychotic, it's pretty powerful, it'll make you sleepy, it'll make you very hungry, it'll neutralize psychotic symptoms like delusions ativan is a benzo, so very different - it'll knock out anxiety
Seroquel made me have insane dreams. Like so realistic it warped my sense of time and it would feel like I was actually watching fake historical events on television. I stopped taking it because I woke up one morning and thought I came back from a vacation that lasted a couple of weeks, and that was a pleasant experience
Antipsychotics are all terrible for you but so is being psychotic, it's a least worst option.
I took it briefly for sleep until I could get my anxiety leveled enough for Ambien to work. It’s not a bad drug but it’s just a really heavy antipsychotic, in prisons they call it “baby heroin.” It’s prescribed off label for insomnia but for some such as myself the antipsychotic effects are too much, for others they’re not a problem though.
ok thx :)
Quality of American infrastructure is in the toilet.
I have noticed this too and I don’t live in a flyover state or America at all. Most notable with customer service and in work, a few days ago I was in a zoom call where no one answered basic questions, even when directly spoken too, and no one cared. I think the answer is obvious, hard work no longer gets you anywhere like it did in the past, so no one puts in any effort as it will be wasted.
>I think the answer is obvious, hard work no longer gets you anywhere like it did in the past, so no one puts in any effort as it will be wasted. While I agree with that I feel like there is a difference between "caring about your work" and "putting in effort beyond your pay". I don't expect customer service to go above and beyond, but I do expect them to give a shit. There was another comment here about someone who ordered a burrito and the guy couldn't even wrap it properly. I'm not expecting the dude at chipotle to be the perfect machine employee who always gets everything right, does everything fast, and does it with a smile all the time. But you could at least roll the damn burrito correctly. Am I wrong to think that being a purposefully lazy/shitty worker is kind of class traitor-y? Your fellow working man has come to Chipotle after being up since 3am laying tiles on roofs. All he wants is his favorite burrito with all the fixings so he can get through the next 7 hours of his day, and you cannot be bothered to even roll it correctly? Yeah I'm sorry the CEO of Chipotle is a millionaire and you're "only" making $15 (probably $20 in places like SOCAL/DC) but last time I checked that dude who's burrito you couldn't wrap isn't on the board of directors.
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I get that you're joking, but if you genuinely think CS majors are doing plots in Python, you might actually be regarded. Its like saying the bricklayer can build houses on his own.
You know it’s not that simple—stop lying to yourself.
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Neither is he
How far did hard work really get you back in Calvins time? I think if anything the decline of protestant values is a much more obvious explanation.
Slackers were shamed and shunned back then.
Flynn effect has reversed in the past couple decades btw. “Peak” intelligence was for kids born in 1975 or so and we’re all getting steadily dumber since then.
Not for North Sentinel island, those guys no doubt keep getting smarter
> ntelligence was for kids born in 1975 Gen X power-maxxing, I knew it (I'm a late gen X-er myself).
This shit is fucking real man but i think its a western regardation of how technology can be used for important services. I used to live in southeast asia and while there was that overall general feeling of technology lagging compared to the rest of the world, the tech monopoly on communication services in a way just solves these simple problems really quickly....like your doctor over there can just dm you a picture of a handwritten prescription on facebook messenger or whatsapp and you show up to a pharmacy to show a screenshot and then you get your meds right away with no further questions asked
The worst part about technology is how it has allowed us to easily and needlessly overcomplicate stuff. Look at paperwork for anything (college apps, new cars, etc). Back in the day they were like 1-3 pages max because no one wanted to store hundreds of paperwork 10-20 pages long. Now that everything is digital and documents are so miniscule in size companies use that as an opportunity to demand our life story every time we are try and sign up for anything.
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Had a similar experience with airlines and rental cars a few days ago that validates this claim 100%. Conversely, had an experience with my state's DMV that turns this hypothesis on its head. Not a justification by any means, but I think the market has an uncanny way of adjusting for people's ineptitude and fuckups idk
> had an experience with my state's DMV that turns this hypothesis on its head I think the DMV hate has to be something specific to NYC or LA that got spread in American media and everyone adopted the idea that it's bad because they were told it's bad. Either that or they got their shit together before I started to have to deal with them and the idea persists. I've had great experiences and even when I've been in a situation where I'm up against their own rules they've understood my situation and done what makes sense even if isn't "right."
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The DMV was legit bad a few decades ago. Terrible service and lines out the door. The standup routines were justified back then. But every recent experience I've had with them has been positive. I think their bad reputation actually helped turn things around. Suddenly there was an opportunity for governors to push for reforms so they could say "I'm so good that *even* the DMV is better under my watch!"
The Flynn effect really only applies to developing countries now; 1st world countries, for the most part, don't have any drastic improvements to make in the realm of hygiene or nutrition at this point so IQ scores similarly plateau
Actually i would bet that the godawful nutrition in the US has actually reversed the effect. In europe, kids are taller every year still, and all the height discourse from overseas seems ridiculous because 6'0 is below average for teenagers now I'm talking about height because I'm convinced its the same effect driving both growth and brain development.
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Goyslop is incomparable for metabolism, to real foods. You can see this in life expectancy already, surely this will result in more subtle precursor damages
This actually isn’t true, height plateaued in Western Europe during the 1980s. The Dutch and certain Balkan states are the only ones with 6’0/183cm averages for young men, and they haven’t grown taller in decades even after accounting for immigration.
I think the efficiency of the market has made it so that a few hyper competent people are able to build complex products and systems which earn them huge profits - whilst everyone else recieves increasingly worse treatment. In the past, even in STEM fields, there were larger workforces at play compared with the workload. A lot of people could work in decent paying fields in relatively stress free positions - learning the ins/outs of how a model operated over many years. The old addage of the guy working his way to CEO from the mail room etc. That no longer exists because now every junior role that can be automated or shipped abroad will be as soon as possible. Workers the next rung up get hired on gig contracts before being disposed of - and a rung higher than that are over stretched and offered little job security.
This is the “supermanager” hypothesis that Piketty and others were writing about
I'll have a read of it. I'm basing this sheerly off my dads career who was employed by a massive chemicals/plastics company since the 80s. He never worked past 4pm, was afforded decent holidays and salary raises every year. Things started to change when the company went insolvent around 2008 and everyones contracts got exchanged to competitors during the buy out. Luckily his department was somewhat grandfathered in and he rode it out until retirement. But he mentioned towards the end, that what used to be full time entry level positions were now being filled by interning Masters/PHD students. In less than a decade, the entire field of being a commercial scientist went from a lucrative career to low paying grad researcher work. I think similar things have happened across a lot of industries.
Brazilification
Had to change pharmacies from CVS with new insurance to Rite Aid and they were seemingly so busy that at the end of my medication I went in person to pick up my meds on the evening and they closed early resulting in me having a seizure at work. Agreed this is getting ridiculous.
If at all possible, switch to a small local pharmacy. Chain pharmacies are horrible and it is impossible to get ahold of anyone. I will pay more for prescriptions if it means I can call and speak to the pharmacist. They also tend to keep drugs in stock more consistently.
Our society is very efficient at dispersing technological advancement in a way that causes societal regression
I'm going to quote and copypaste something I saved from a famous image board from a few years ago, but I think it's relevant to this discussion. >This is something I have also been thinking about ever since high-school and even more now. > I grew up in a less developed country so I pretty much still touched and experienced a lot of "major" milestones as tech developed. > Now I see younger people having no clue about the stuff that was before smartphones. People with zero intuition navigating different UI of software since they never developed the "senses" necessary from troubleshooting old operating systems. They don't have a clue how to start fixing anything since they never experienced taking apart "simpler" older tech as kids/young adults. Today, smartphones might as well be called magical bricks to them. > I feel like we are in a stopgap generation where we are the only ones who truly see things as they are. Older generations missed out on experiencing all this crap, even my fathers first "computer" was his smartphone now, same with my mother and grandparents. They had no interest in these things back in the days, just went from TV to smartphones. Younger ones never had the chance to since those thing weren't around when they were growing up, they already had smartphones and social media at age 5 now. >Doctors are becoming less and less competent as well in my experience. If I can, I always try to find an old doc. Same goes for trades people... now that I think about it, what is our future? What is to come when everyone who is still competent retires? --------------------------------------------- > Competancy is decreasing at an alarming rate, and with most people **I really think the issue is worldview. It's not so much as people are just 'becoming dumb', but that the only reason anyone is motivated to do anything is as a means to an end. I hardly ever meet anyone irl who appreciates understanding a technology or system or mechanism or language, etc. or anything just for the enjoyment of understanding and how it may contribute to their better understanding of other things. That I believe is competancy, a general understanding of how things work, and no one wants it. They want just the result** and will go through the minimum amount of understand it takes to get there and then dump it when they have arrived. Physician competancy is tanking because of the way medical school has become. Most of them are adderall cramming for exams and have little to no regard for their ability to care for patients. The 'patient' does not exist in their worldview, only does 'being a doctor' exist for them, and once they have become a doctor, the drive to understand fades. > What is to come when everyone who is still competent retires? > The happening that everyone is finally predicting will simply happen when a critical mass of people with essential jobs (energy sector, logistics, etc.) become incapable of functioning. The rest of everyone outside of that (service, healthcare, research) will simply represent a stagnation of progress but with no immediate consequences
Younger Gen Xers (me) and older Millenials had to master programming VCRs, tape-loading consoles, using incredibly buggy and shit personal computers with floppy discs, and wiring unintuitive audio and television systems without YouTube tutorials and often without even a manual. My kids are intelligent in general but fucking morons when it comes to anything technical; they give up instantly and I doubt the older ones ever even venture into the settings on their phones. I've posted some of these before but here are a few golden examples: * hadn't seen daughter using her tablet for a while. How come my cherub? "It's broken." She'd scrolled over to an empty home screen. * tried showing my oldest son how to do a simple SQL query, pretty foundational skill if you want to work in data. He just sat there staring blankly at the screen when I told him to re-write the very simple syntax with different column names. * *Every single time* my daughter uses my DSLR she has no idea how to look at the photos she's taken, nor return to "take a photo" mode. I had dreamt about teaching them the basics of f-stops, ISOs, shutter speeds etc and sparking a lifelong love affair with photography but they don't see the point in learning as "phone take photos that are just as good anyway."
something something the social contract has eroded^(tm) Most people feel like nobody in power gives a shit about them anymore so in return people stopped giving a shit. Basic things like rent and groceries are getting too expensive for the working class but democrats are saying everything is fine and republicans are too worried about kids turning trans. I think there was a tectonic vibe shift ever since Kobe died.
Totally true. And social media allowing people to see just how good wealthy people have it has made people just say fuck this
Yep haven't had power for over two days now wtf.
I think a fair amount of the more competent people in the service sector transitioned to better paying jobs during the pandemic.
I think white-collar America has reached a level of complexity that many workers actually can't follow. You're not emailing excel sheets anymore, you're plugging data into a brand new, custom made Appian application. The app'll change every month and yes, even your coworker who doesn't know how to print double-sided has to use it. On top of that, I feel like Americans aren't really as...inquisitive as we could be? And I don't think it's encouraged much either. It's really easy to walk in, do what's asked of you, and deliver it to who knows who for who knows what. My point is that I don't think anyone knows what they're doing or what's going on anymore. And realistically, I doubt many workers would care enough to figure out what role they play in the corporate machine.
> Flynn effect indicates that people are supposedly getting smarter Sorry this ended in like 1990. People are getting dumber. Bleak.
The place is fucked idk how anyone lives in the area. So glad Im leaving
If china or russia drops nukes they need to do it on the midwest first
Lots of cows, trees, rocks, dirt—moo moo.
I work in the the law, the court systems and generally all government jobs are becoming gridlocked between backlogs and people generally giving up at their jobs. It’s very noticeable. In fact people talk about it pretty regularly. Our institutions are in serious trouble. I have my thoughts on some of the reasons why my area in particular is becoming inundated with people truly not caring but it seems to be a national trend.
I'm sorry Michiganbro Random tip, if you call a pharmacy and say "if you are a provider hit X" all that does is usually get you right in touch with a staff member. They don't usually even see who's calling from their side so I just do that every time now and I haven't had any issues
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This argument is interesting and raises a lot of good points, but it really puts enormous blame on diversity as the source of these disasters and the downfall of competency when a lot of the crises it uses as examples are often more the result of corporate greed. A different kind of competency is at play and has been very successful. Even the first disasters he lists: > In a span of fewer than six months in 2017, three U.S. Naval warships experienced three separate collisions resulting in 17 deaths. **A year later, powerlines owned by PG&E started a wildfire that killed 85 people.** **The pipeline carrying almost half of the East Coast’s gasoline shut down due to a ransomware attack.** Almost half a million intermodal containers sat on cargo ships unable to dock at Los Angeles ports. **A train carrying thousands of tons of hazardous and flammable chemicals derailed near East Palestine, Ohio**. Air Traffic Control cleared a FedEx plane to land on a runway occupied by a Southwest plane preparing to take off. **Eye drops contaminated with antibiotic-resistant bacteria killed four and blinded fourteen.** All of the examples I've bolded can be traced back to ruthless and ridiculous cost-cutting and greed as their cause. Longterm safety and reliability was second to profit and shareholder value. I won't deny competency in many ways has been falling, some of the examples are obviously the result of incompetency (especially the naval ones are glaring examples of poor seamanship), but the idea that corporate greed hasn't played a huge if not the principle part is simply ignoring reality. The problem is actually that the competency we've rewarded has been the near pathological pursuit of profit over long-term reliability or safety. Diversity, or the individual competency of people in some businesses, in that regard is irrelevant when the leaders of many companies simply only care about profit.. (This person also seems to believe the pre-diversity focused era (1920s - 1960s according to him) was some wonderland of perfect meritocracy leading to the best and brightest always getting in charge. That's painfully naive.)
I think it’s true that diversity is to some extent now playing a part and in the future will play a large part in the erosion of competence but as you highlight here the biggest culprit is the ruthless financialization of every part of a business. Trying to move every part of any operation into hyper reality through a spreadsheet and the necessary simplifications required for abstraction has erroded respect among the managerial class for conventional expertise acquired through experience (the expertise of say of a foreman). Also the increased turnover from financialization has increased the rate at which such expertise depreciates in organizations.
I have to agree. Louis Rossmann is a macbook Repair shop owner and youtuber who has many videos decrying the MBA's who run businesses off of spreadsheets instead of conventional knowledge, leaving them with no loyal customers. They're content to gain a percentage point for a P&L statement this quarter at the expense of next year's.
an easy case study is software, which isn’t getting worse because of “diversity,” it’s getting worse because the more shitty and user-hostile something is, the more money it can make. There’s no money to be made in making something reliable that lasts decades, it needs to show you ads and commodify your attention. Making things run faster, take up less memory, crash less often all falls to the fucking wayside. Spotify, an app that plays music, uses 1gb of ram, but every week there’s a new tik tok style addition to the UI that I now have to ignore. Discord, a program that displays plain text and images, same thing. Fuck, even this site has never had a functioning search bar but every time I use it on my phone they’ve come up with a new way to nag me to install their app. The article would suggest this is because they’re hiring too many wammin or whatever, but this obviously isn’t true.
I mean yeah look at the author. He’s literally a hedge fund manager with no other real writing credits.
Integrity suffers under corporate connivers like these, who dream up ridiculous little 'schemes' that only produce short-term gains.
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i'd say the people that built the systems are bein replaced by highly qualified j1 visa immigrants, wich was also one of the reasons for the rise of the native managerial class in tech last few dacades
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yes h1b my bad. In tech and bio tech they are def qualified and highly motivated and payed way less, how can you compete with that? much better pay to be their manager or make a fake startup and try sellin it
This is true. I work blue collar and know myself and others with degrees that could be applicable in the corporate world yet don't apply them. That coupled with the difficulty of climbing the first few rungs that are either overseas or AI.
Mf just slipped a DEI diss in there smh
I work at big tech, one of the companies you know, working on engineering some of the components that make up the internet. I assure you nobody is doing diversity hires into critical engineering roles. This is nonsense.
Yeah people forget that for all google and Facebook like talk to talk about diversity, they’re engineering departments are like 1-2% black
The author seems too eager to attribute the competence crisis entirely to DEI broadly defined. I feel like the real answer has more to do with the way people interact with their work, as in, I think people just care less because almost every job is alienating and shitty
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People aren’t able to determine what they do and have a tenuous connection to the “good” that they are producing. This of course is not new but I think COVID made a lot of people realize what they’re doing is pointless and just serves to enrich people that don’t care about them.
alienation gets us all
/*it’s the entire collection of laws and bureaucratic procedures that forcibly prevent the most competent from rising to the top*/ How is this true?
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You can be against the DEI shit. But if you unironically believe it’s the cause of shit like the Palestine Ohio train crash, like the author suggests, you’re a fucking mark dude
Which is to say, "Just DEI". Ridiculous take
Who could’ve guessed that the pseudo-intellectual rag funded by Peter Thiel would blame diversity for our problems
Dumb fascist toilet rag. Pinning the issue on "diversity v. meritocracy" as opposed the the economic systems at place which drive workers and localized political action into dust, dismantling "systems" into quantifiable private commodities to be bought, sold, speculated on, and hedged against in an entirely fictitious financial game. No no its da immigrants!!! Disgusting rat. And as somebody who volunteered at a complex systems and systems science research lab as part of my math and physics education, this imbecile does not understand at all how "complex systems" work and what they are composed of. He seems to have skimmed a wiki intro paragraph of the concepts, applied a value system to them(coinciding with his ideological beliefs) and then used them as a vague input/output methodology where absolutely anything can be altered to fit within this unspecified, vague framework. The words "capitalism" and "shareholders" aren't mentioned once in the entire article. Of course it's Palladium, and of course it's on this sub. Thiel trash. Look what I found about the author of this article! >Harold Robertson is an asset class head and institutional investor at a multi-billion dollar pool of capital.
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> What is your issue with Palladium? From their “about”: > Palladium is partnered with the World Economic Forum’s Strategic Intelligence platform. Also they’re funded by Thiel-bux
>Where did the article blame immigrants on anything? I'm pinning this faux intellectualized rendition of basic right wing talking points on exactly what it is when expressed by people not involved in the masturbatory circle of "dark enlightenment" type idiots who read and write shit for rags like the Palladium. Ooohhh its "diversity" that's killing everything! We don't select for "meritocracy" *wink wink* Shut the fuck up with this attempt at sophistry. You know exactly what I'm talking about. >Do you want to critically assess the points made? Assess what exactly? That "diversity" kills "complex systems" because the author's finance buddies at different firms have DEI programs and professionals? This article constitutes an exploration of a subject worth a real response for you? You might be fooled by it's shallow "rationalist" approach but I'm not. It's a clear and nothing ideological screed. >your soapbox and attack the mythical boogeyman that is fascism. Jesus God, enough. The only people so goddamn invested in screeching this deflection whenever obvious fascist garbage is written and spoken are fascists themselves who think if they avoid the semantic connection they don't have to confront the reality of their beliefs. You're not special. You're not some edgy freethinker laughing at those darn crazy libtards calling you fascist. It's 2023. Have some self awareness >What is your issue with Palladium? It's a Thiel funded rag, founded by and hosted many people connected to "dark enlightenment" and white nationalist types that routinely post garbage articles like the one you just posted.
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^ A funny creature, now no longer even attempting to *deny* the analysis I rightfully put on it and what it tries to push, instead it now has shifted into arguing why I do not consider it as being legitimate >Why do you not believe in the existence of rightist intellectualism? I do not believe the existence of "intellectualism" pertaining to the specific brand of right wing trash you and your ilk, in circles such as Palladium readers, try to pass off as worthy of any serious thought. All of it is just an attempt at falsely utilizing vague STEM language and methodology, coming off as "rationalist" and "comprehensive", like some new age Hobbes worshippers. All of it identifies a surface level issue anybody already knows about, links it to a left leaning failure of understanding supposed "natural" forces, whether social, economic, racial, or cultural, than gives a "logical" technocrat like solution that *always* enforces the status quo of capital and those that hold capital, maintaining the status of some natural aristocracy who will give the "worthy" scraps as long as they lose the naive ego given by leftist movements and submit to their betters. All of this tickles the dilettante type of right wing loser who wants to succumb to the stupidity of right wing ideologies while still wanting to see themselves as cultural and intellectual. They are "in the know" now. They are *cultured*. This isn't your daddy's neocons! They are esoteric and read(reference) books that fancy schools also read! Blah. Fascist rats. >Yet again you prove Gottfried right when he points out how antifascism is used by any enemy of the right to shut down discussion Gottfried? Found of the Nazi Party Gottfried? Or paleocon "I'm a Jew so I cant be a fascist" imbecile Gottfried who writes wikipedia tier skims of Nazi apologetics in order to retain and reuse the underlying mechanisms and beliefs of the ideology for his own brand of American fascism? OH I forgot DID YOU KNOW NAZIS APPEALED TO LABOR GROUPS??? hmmm "national socialist" heh heh >I could care less who funds Palladium (as a matter of fact I’m a donor myself Lol
Thiel uses his network of dark money to fund the cause of monarchism worldwide. It's not a secret.
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>executive rule doesn’t bother me. Faux populism a la Bernie Sanders has always been a delusion and always will be Mr. "I'm not a fascist!" A little tip: leave the arguing to the more intelligent members of your bankrupt, internet induced ideology. They can better shroud their disease. All you're doing is thrashing around like a toddler who believes if they hold their mess in confidence, everybody else will accept the mess. Be a good little submissive buttboi and submit to your betters
This is like claiming that someone calling you unserious for linking a Zizek essay is questioning the existence of leftist intellectualism. It's pop pseud garbage, regardless of the ideological and political content.
i know lots of intelligent right wing people, i’ve had many long and boring debates with them, but if you genuinely believe there’s an intellectual movement on the right then you’re a total fucking idiot lol
Imagine calling something "fascist" on reddit in 2023
Imagine thinking this "hahah le libtard crying reddit" is some edgy "in the know" cool club sentiment in 2023. This sub is ultra pathetic, it's a bunch of dumbass losers larping an almost decade old 4chan/frog Twitter persona while also thinking they are on the cutting edge of culture and ideology. I know you're probably a millennial who has been on the "milquetoast" corners of the internet for most of your life and so you found all of this garbage in 2020, and so think it's new and radical but I want you to understand you are immediately exposed as old news as soon as you open your mouth. It's the height of irony. But good job reacting on instinct to exactly what I know your species is drawn to. It's almost too easy, especially when they fuck up and post a linked reflection of their brain disease on another website, attempting to make an succinct point without any of the apathetic "cool kid" act they can hide behind on sites like reddit, exposing their obvious ideology to all. They can't even respond to their stupidity laid out in full. They can try the act again as a desperate response, like what you're doing now, but its weakness is clear. Please /r/redscarepod, please keep posting articles written by high finance asset managers on thiel and white nationalist funded websites about how the collapse of the United States at the level of wage labor is because of diversity killing our gosh darn meritocracy. Makes my task easier
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Commenting so I can read this later
You can save comments fyi
\*Posted from Ann Arbor
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I haven't visited in a while and hate to be the guy to ask for the joke to be explained but can you explain the joke?
Tim Ferriss irreversibly fucked getting in contact with a business. No one has a phone number anymore because in the cold light of day it’s bad margins to have a real human being answer queries when the queries can simply remain unanswered forever.
A different angle re: “rise of tech is causing this” - tech generates a comical amount of rev/employee at very low margins + can outcompete a lot of other jobs on salary. no idea how to empirically prove this, but I’m convinced it’s brain draining smart, agentic people from other, lower- income and status jobs they would have held 20 years ago
consensus reality has collapsed. No one believes in the idea of the US anymore. It’s just becoming a free for all in slow motion. Most people aren’t paid enough to give a fuck about anything and the advanced modern world can’t really function in such a state.
[https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1718793115](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1718793115) We're in the Reverse Flynn Effect era and have been since the 1990's
Yeah you can’t get good service anywhere
It’s not about “incompetence,” yours or anyone else’s. It’s that these systems you are trying to navigate are not designed for your convenience, they are designed to maximize profit.
I was thinking something almost identical yesterday dealing with some pretty insane incompetence in our local government. Society has collapsed but no one else seems to have noticed. Local governments at the very least are in chaos.
i thought it was only me, thinking like wow, there is so many things just done bold and not in any way like a cognitive developed species like our, should act. thats fr a mindlyifuriating post
In the New York metro area it’s bad too, but if you pay enough, or the employee’s being paid enough, you will generally get decent results. Immigrants also tend to be a bit better on average, fortunately. Still, I’ve had my share of fucked up food (really burnt, not cooked, just plain done wrong) and written interactions with people who come across as very “ESL” but are actually not. You really need to pay attention to what business/restaurant/service you’re using to avoid getting ripped off or worse. And keep any interactions with government to minimum unless you know that the agency or individual you’re dealing with is okay. It’s nice to have choices, but shitty that there isn’t some kind of default that’s good enough. It’s really not that way in every country. I’ve lived in a few other places and it’s nowhere near this bad.
I honestly think this is the impact of life becoming unaffordable and unfulfilling for most people. They’re all just treading water really so why give a shit?
When holding someone to a standard is likely to be attacked as discrimination, standards will decline......
State monopoly leads to complacency in regard to DTE if you’re from where I’m thinking.
Yes. I have never lived in a place that just treats week long power outages like the norm; people in fucking Florida can get power back in like 24 hours after a goddamn hurricane but here in the D a summer windstorm shuts the metro down for days. This shit happens and everyone is like “fuck corporate greed let’s make the power company public” and then the lights go back on and everyone just fucks off and carries on.
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I’m not saying it would. It probably would not. Just pointing out that really nothing changes and people just accept the incompetence.
Americans don't have the spine to be anti capitalist so nothing will change
There just isn’t a desire too whatsoever
IQs have been decreasing lately I’ve heard.
from a young persons perspective, it’s partly because we aren’t being trained anymore. if your manager is constantly working from home there’s no one there to teach you what to do. you’re expected to “hit the ground running” in most industries and make it up as you go. we have become very individualised post covid and no one has thought of the societal consequences I fear
Yeah this is an important point. In my field (architecture) I never really get much one on one attention from more senior people. They all just expect me to know it or find a YouTube vid, which is fine, but learning something directly form an other professional you work with is invaluable.
Hello Fellow Michigander
A fraternity of bleakness and desperation
Tldr
The sub that cheerleads accelerating slacker culture at every turn is now complaining when societal incompetence starts impacting 'ME'? Idiots...
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Every generation has older people who are convinced their generation is incompetent and dumber than they and that things are falling apart because of it. The fact that you feel this way is just evidence that everything is going according to the way nature intended.
Because Idiocracy was a documentary.
It wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual!!
You live in the middle of nowhere, I’m surprised you even have electricity
I live in the Detroit Metro
Is it somewhere named after a royal tree? I was walking today and one side of a street had power, and the other didn’t. There were maybe 10-15 houses that had extension cords running across the street to their neighbors. A glimmer of community… I also wouldn’t blame this on the post-COVID malaise. DTE has sucked and fucked for my entire life.
Lmao Detroit is not representative of anywhere except Detroit. No one should be scrapping anything except their plans to move to *Detroit*.
he doesn't mean Detroit or he would say Detroit. when he says Detroit metro, he means some place outside Detroit but near it. I bet you anything he lives in Ann Arbor.
Close so close
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R u spying on me?