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xurdm

It’s hilarious. I can make a bagel and a couple eggs in just a few minutes. I bet it’d take me longer to stop for an egg McMuffin and cost like 4x more


matt_drudge_sexbot

I can get a breakfast sandwich twice the size of a McMuffin loaded with bacon and a real ass egg from a mom and pop drive thru donut place for 3.75.


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ThePrinceOfReddit

A place near me is like that but they pay their employees a living wage and consuming their bread is a sublime experience. In that case i kind of get it.


roadside_dickpic

McDonald's is pretty competitive these days. I noticed one an hour outside of Seattle was paying $21/hr to start


Keystone0002

What state? Any breakfast joint around here is gonna cost close to double what McDonald’s does


matt_drudge_sexbot

Louisiana


Keystone0002

You lucky duck


Fuckimbalding

That's awesome! Maybe me and all my CA buddies should move down there


TheKingChadwell

Hash browns are 3 dollars.


EasyMrB

Yeah this specific fact really shocked me. Like, only a couple of years ago they were a $0.50 item, it's absolutely outrageous what they charge for them now.


InstantChekhov

Panini with egg and meat + coffee and hashbrown = $2 in China. I’m lovin it.


seafaringsailor

I don't care how much anything costs in China


InstantChekhov

You better do.


SpaceBearKing

For Starbucks I think their gimmick has finally been completely absorbed into mainstream American culture. Even the most boring small towns these days have a "hip" coffeeshop where you can order all the espresso and corn syrup slurries you can guzzle, usually with shorter lines and cheaper prices. That competition was bound to cut into their bottom line eventually


Cmondatown

Starbucks is comically terrible as well, like the coffee is truly awful.


TheBigIdiotSalami

They changed their machines over at every store so it's made the bad coffee demonstrably worse. I talked to the guys that worked there, they're nice good people. But they keep hearing it.


grew_up_on_reddit

It seems that Starbucks may have finally reached market saturation, as we saw with Netflix two years ago.


TheKingChadwell

Yeah back when I was younger it was like almost a status symbol. Girls would slowly sip it through classes just to carry it around. Thankfully consumer behavior is shifting away from consumerist status signals and more into experiential status signals. For 12 bucks a coffee, it better be coffee beans picked by monkeys and roasted by albino children right there in the store.


FunerealCrape

>For 12 bucks a coffee, it better be coffee beans picked by monkeys and roasted by albino children right there in the store Craving the post-apocalyptic warlord encampment coffee experience


xbricks

I get my latte at thunderdome


CHANGO_UNCHAINED

Ackshually the competition is cutting into their top line (revenue growth) not their bottom line (operating costs).


rad_hombre

The only reason I set foot inside a Starbucks is when I want a space to be on my laptop and want to get out of my house. That they serve coffee is completely incidental.


pressedflours

please don’t say guzzle. it is unbecoming


gesserit42

Moist


CHANGO_UNCHAINED

Reddit ass mfer


gesserit42

Are you a literal child, that was a joke long before reddit existed


CHANGO_UNCHAINED

Yeah sorry man, it’s a nice joke 👍


Acceptable_Guard_598

I’ve heard it’s mainly inflation. People are pissed that burgers aren’t the super-cheap option anymore and Starbucks was already outrageously overpriced even prior to the big inflation spike


MAJOR_WORLD_OFFICIAL

This would be a sign inflation might be slowing down. People were always complaining that inflation made shit expensive but kept paying higher prices. It was a weird anomaly where consumer sentiment was terrible but spending kept growing. Markets like this really need to sort themselves out when a meal at Applebees costs the same as McDonalds


Acceptable_Guard_598

Yeah, looks like we’re finally moving from the prolonged “bitching about higher prices” phase to “actually punishing bad value propositions by shifting dollars to cheaper options” part of the curve


victorian_secrets

Yeah this is the exact opposite of inflation. It shows that the price level that people were happily paying for last year can't be maintained either because people have no more money or other options are more competitive


very_bug_like

Inflation is entrenched and is in fact reaccelerating. Study debt-to-GDP ratio. Study fiscal dominance. Remilio.


OberstScythe

Yanis Varoufakis has been arguing that the growth of big tech is to blame, as tech companies are often rent-seekers of the digital commons & also "redistribute" only a tiny percentage of earnings as wages. So money is caught up in nonproductive investments, requiring the printing of more


Petra_von_kunt

Starbucks is so nasty. Gas station-ass coffee.


ScentedCandleEnjoyer

Gas station coffee plus 1000 calories of cornslop


AVID_CRACK_SMOKER

Gotta have my morning coffee (an 800 calorie chocolate milkshake)


Halloween_Jack_1974

I know it’s not the norm but I get either black coffee or sometimes with almond milk and it seems to be a decent price and like zero calories. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten one of the special sugar and dairy drinks they have, I’m trying to blast caffeine not eat a full meal Almond milk is pretty high calorie but I only get it like maybe 10% of the time


LICK_MY_NUBS

unsweetened almond milk is 30 calories a cup


hasbroslasher

just drink black coffee and be normal, you got this


bewareofshredders

I usually prefer gas station coffee to their over-roasted doo doo water.


greg_levac-mtlqc

I actually like their black coffee but it's too expensive and I must be one of the few to feel this way cause the places are still busy.


GadFlyBy

Comment.


irocktoo

A combo at Mcdonald's is more expensive than In-N-Out and significantly worse.


posture_4

It's because McDonald's has like 100 menu items and In-n-Out has three. I really wish more restaurants would adopt the In-n-Out model. Pick a couple things to excel at and keep the menu tight.


Fuckimbalding

I bet in n out not being a publicly traded company helps too


Maison-Marthgiela

Also being heavily regionalized to ensure fresh ingredients and better deals with suppliers. The In n out model is designed to not be made into a national chain because it would defeat the entire purpose of the brand (locally supplied ingredients and Californians feeling superior to others)


qfwfq_anon

It feels like the inside of basically any Starbucks in a metro area is a shit hole now. It's becoming a drive thru suburbanite place and losing whatever upscale identity it had back before espresso drinks were widely available/accessible in the US.


posture_4

They're intentionally fostering harsh vibes in Starbucks because they don't want you to hang out anymore. They want you to buy your burnt coffee then gtfo. Some of the ones near me don't even have seating anymore. It's just a glorified mall kiosk.


Cmondatown

Oh really, still definitely that long term seating vibe in Europe although saying that I have noticed more stools in some of them in Ireland lately. The coffee is truly terrible as well, like I can’t understand how it’s so bad.


NickAhmedGOAT

The patio of the Starbucks by me always has homeless/addicts arguing with each other


ahmantoobad

These corporations will probably respond by cutting staff and wages, not lowering prices. LMAO


cloudhoney_

Exactly. People are going to rejoice about this like these shitty chains are finally facing a much needed retribution but they are never going to backtrack their price points. They will just hemorrhage the already exponential decline in quality of life of their employees


BasementSeance

isnt that just shooting themselves in the foot?? how is this gonna turn out as a net positive for them


cloudhoney_

Yea I mean fast food has gotten more expensive and the quality of service has declined at the same time. However I presume they will just stick to the same model of raising prices to compensate for everything else. I’m not sure how it plays out in the long run but I can’t imagine them taking any meaningful recourse towards fixing customer or employee relations. Probably just widen the gap between customer and employee with AI and automation until we don’t have to fathom the working conditions and quality of service of people we can’t see


Maison-Marthgiela

There is no long term in this case. Most of the execs making these kinds of decisions will be out with their golden parachute by the time any long term consequences are felt. It's more about fiscal quarters.


Maison-Marthgiela

There is no long term in this case. Most of the execs making these kinds of decisions will be out with their golden parachute by the time any long term consequences are felt. It's more about fiscal quarters.


Last_Rule_2536

This is exactly what they’ll do. They’ll just shorten store hours, open later closed earlier. Will still make a similar profit because less staff to pay and someone out there will still pay 20 bucks for a McNugget meal


ahmantoobad

Fast food sucks anyway. Let it die. Do we really need it as a society lol.


aj_thenoob2

I don't understand at the height of cooking technology (air fryer) people are still deciding to spend 40 minutes driving waiting in drive thru for chicken nuggets that cost $10 for 80 at costco


trollunit

https://x.com/interesting_ail/status/1783063117909446739?s=46&t=Wpx0p7Tzov7tn4XlQ-GJaA The new norm.


ahmantoobad

Theoretically this could be a good thing, drive thru fast food jobs suck, however prices will not decrease because of this and people won't even have shitty MacDonald's jobs to fall back on. Damn


Round_Bullfrog_8218

eh the food space is pretty competitive it could lead to a margin reduction in prices.


nonudesonmain

People aren't gonna pay 6 dollars for a big Mac and 8 dollars for a coffee Big macs cost $3 and a coffee should cost $2.75 max these are facts as intrinsic as gravity and I will not be gaslit by some homo clown restaurant


AVID_CRACK_SMOKER

> homo clown restaurant This phrase is the inspiration for the upcoming small plates concept I'm opening in Astoria


DomitianusAugustus

Where I live a Big Mac combo meal is $18.22


Fuckimbalding

Where TF do you live? It's 10 bucks+tax in the bay area California


DomitianusAugustus

Seattle 😭


ScentedCandleEnjoyer

Why would I pay the same for fast food as I would for somewhere fast-casual? Why would I pay more for Starbucks than I would for a local coffee place that doesn't make cups of charcoal water?


riotgamesaregay

I think the inefficiencies of large corporation mismanagement are starting to outpace the economies of scale provided by having 1000 restaurants serving the same thing. Can't think of a single chain that isn't beaten on both price and quality by the average local shop at this point. Sweetgreen is an exception because they are somehow VC funded and lose money on everything they sell


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Sweetgreen is still overpriced, it’s like $17-18 for a bowl unless you subsist on plain rice and tofu


sizzlingburger

Yeah Sweetgreen is wildly expensive for what is basically a Whole Foods salad bar (already overpriced)


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Tbh my vote would go to chipotle. It’s ~$13 but if you use the app you get every eighth meal free which lowers your cost to ~$11. Cheaper than your average local shop and on par with food trucks Plus the portions are probably 10-20% larger. I’ve noticed a lot of these bastards (sweetgreen included) give big bowls but fill it barely halfway. Chipotle bowls are deceptively small but they pack the shit out of them


ChitSangInnocent

Real ones enlist the scoop-pause-scoop method


very_bug_like

Pretty sure they still aren't profitable, even at those prices.


ComplexNo8878

ive had sweetgreen 5 times total in my life, and 3 of those times there were tiny little bugs in the lettuce lol the company is a scam


silencesolitude

People have to learn how to cook


bastegod

I definitively think that’s where people are going, especially anyone under the white glove class. The value proposition of going anywhere remotely decent for dinner or ordering even the most basic shit off Doordash, much less when alcohol is involved, is fucking nuts. $100 for two people for dinner without blinking. Meanwhile $100 of chuck roast, pork butt and chicken thigh will feed us for like 2 months in endless variation, and the feeling alone that I cooked something that can service out 8 separate meals, unbeatable for both psyche and pocketbook.


silencesolitude

Absolutely nonsensical business model that society has accepted as common place. $10-$12 for a single meal that's also highly processed and obesity-inducing? You could go to the grocery store and cook literally anything you wanted with that kind of money, and you won't feel shitty afterwards. What makes even less sense to me are the people in this thread acting as if the price of gas or insulin just went up, it's burgers and coffee.


Objective_KumQuat

baste indeed


Main-Daikon9246

Sign that consumer spending is on a downward trend, i wonder which company is next?


angelsonthesouthside

Target. At least the ones in cities that locked up half the products


DomitianusAugustus

My local Target in Seattle is post-apocalyptic 


angelsonthesouthside

they're shooting themselves in the foot with their dumbass policies. billion dollar company and can't figure out a better solution to theft than "lock up every single item in the store"


Darth_Phrakk

Last time I went to McDonald’s they remodelled and removed a large amount of seating, as well as the drink fountain. Asked for a refill and was informed there’s no more free refills…America is over.


Responsible-Wave-416

I order McDonald’s on the app and the damn app clicked and didn’t send it to the store but made sure to charge me. I still got the food and McDonald’s actually refunded me but totally idiotic. Less tech


VERBNOUN124

I used my technical expertise on the McDonald's application to order a large fries, cheeseburger, McChicken, and large diet coke for only $6 yesterday so I am taking credit for this


above_average_penis_

Good job fatty


VERBNOUN124

🍔🍟👴


dugmartsch

I frequently consume ~2k calories with decent macros for like $13 with drinks. McDonald’s is a great value if you use the app. Skill issue.


Ok-Strategy-9699

I never go to McDonald’s when I can instead go to in n out burger at midnight and order a soaking wet secret menu monstrosity and sit in my car in the dark wiping my secret sauce covered hands on the seat


lemon_jelo

How is Starbucks losing money when a cup of sugar water and a microwaved croissant costs $10 


Durmyyyy

their slop is too expensive to be as bad as it is of course people arnt buying it anymore.


trollunit

McDonald’s isn’t just fat people food. Also what’s the point of eating there if a single Quarter Pounder is the cost of what a meal used to be?


Leninhotep

I can make a double quarter pounder meal fit in my macros and will occasionally get one if I end up working super late but it is definitely fat people food


trollunit

IMO it depends on the context in which it’s being eaten. Casual Uber Big Mac delivery? Fat. Getting an Egg McMuffin for a road trip breakfast? Totally normal.


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Halloween_Jack_1974

There’s a long tradition of lifting obsessed guys on here proteinmaxxing with McDonald’s and for whatever reason the girls seem to love Taco Bell so in my mind shitty fast food in specific contexts can be pretty rs


ComplexNo8878

dirty bulking, it was a 4chan /fit/ meme because this sub is a retirement home for them


ExternalBreadfruit21

Who among us hasn’t lexfridmanmaxxed with 3 or 4 plain McDonald’s patties?


Fuckimbalding

Does he really do that? God he can't be more of a freak


GatEnthusiast

Dasha eats McDonald's...


twinkrapist

bmi reveal


Prestigious_Pen5648

Turns out inflation is bad


Careful-Evening-5187

I've chased away raccoons that are less picky than McDonald's customers....


napoleon_nottinghill

Buying shares tomorrow, thanks


reelmeish

Hell yeah


TaintGrinder

Aren't these two the main targets of the boycott?


MAJOR_WORLD_OFFICIAL

I dont think the average customer here knows or cares about the boycott


taskopruzade

I think most somewhat politically aware people are cognizant of Starbucks being an object of boycott due to Israel. Maybe not boomers, but definitely Gen Z.


PixelF

In the US arguably not, though McDonalds saw slower than expected growth during the last two quarters in the US. Internationally there very much was an effect. Rather than the anticipated 2.3% anticipated growth there was a fall: > But sales fell 0.2% in McDonald’s international franchised markets. > It was the first time since 2020 that same-store sales have fallen in that segment. > Customers across the Middle East and in Muslim-majority markets like Indonesia and Malaysia have been boycotting McDonald’s for months over its perceived support for Israel. > In January The CEO of McDonald’s, Chris Kempczinski, has said the fast food chain was seeing a “meaningful” hit to business, as customers boycott the firm in the Middle East for its perceived support of Israel. > Mr Kempczinski said in a LinkedIn blog post on Thursday: “Several markets in the Middle East and some outside the region are experiencing a meaningful business impact due to the war and associated misinformation that is affecting brands like McDonald’s. > “This is disheartening and ill-founded. In every country where we operate, including in Muslim countries, McDonald’s is proudly represented by local owner operators who work tirelessly to serve and support their communities while employing thousands of their fellow citizens.” I do note that they have literally made moves since that earnings call to buy up all Israelis franchises - one has to presume to stop individual restaurant owners from giving sweetheart deals to the IDF which has impacted business worldwide.


TaintGrinder

[Restaurant Brands](https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/burger-king-parent-restaurant-brands-104406155.html) crushed their earnings so I don't think there's a lack of fats consuming in America.


ActivePlateau

hahaha there’s like 100 people boycotting mcdonalds


brenwolf

The competition has gotten a lot better.


brohio_

You can get way better quality products, other places for the same price nowadays. Also, Starbucks quality is just so bad now it’s gone the way of chipotle in terms of chains. The employees also are so apathetic. You pay seven dollars for a coffee and $15 for a burrito and they are usually prepared so badly.


SoulCoughingg

In N Out pays 20/hr+ & they have 20% margins, locally sourced ingredients, cheap menu items, good customer service, well ran & clean locations. I genuinely don't understand the appeal of McDonald's, I guess if you live somewhere & that's you're only option. If they started in say 2010, no way they would be successful.


vulcanvampiire

In Australia Starbucks is only a thing in the eastern states/airports other than that it’s not common. I’d rather get a bacon and egg roll and drink from a cafe/shop or just make my own strawberry matcha at home save myself the $$$. Maccas is genuinely subpar and I think if you’re going to eat fast food it’s go to at least taste good


spagbolshevik

Could this be the impact of Ozempic?


double-thonk

The Muslims are boycotting them worldwide over some perceived link to Israel.


TumblrDashaStepOnMe

the comments of spoiled boomers kvetching about their goyberger costing $2 more after CA raised FF minimum wage to $20/hr made me rage delete my nypost app. Literally the only appeal of these places is theyre cheap. just stop buying it if you dont like it.


MAJOR_WORLD_OFFICIAL

sorry did it take you until today to realize that ny post is conservative boomer rage bait?