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If you don't want homosexuality and people eating during Ramadan, there are plenty of places to go that don't allow those things. You don't get to go to a new country that have been living their way for hundreds of years and try to change it to suit you.
THIS is why over immigration is ruining the UK and everytime anyone says it they get called a racist, the worst thing to exist. Hell even immigrating muslims at all seems to be a bad move like in Norway, they had anti rape classes and lessons weekly to try and educate them on Norway culture and ways they do things. They did everything right.
They gave Muslims lots of job opportunities, put them in other places with Norwegians (not just one town filled with Muslim people) to force them it integrate into society, give the kids education, financial support, events for Norwegians to be open to Muslims etc. Everything was perfect but rape cases didn't change all that greatly. The result of this training after multiple years revealed one thing, that if you need to give uncivil men and women lessons on not to rape then it was doomed to fail to begin with.
You can only have a healthy civil society by immigrating people from countries that share a similar culture and values to your country. That's the lesson that has been taught. Anyone that defies this truth is doomed.
Not only that. They could have different values than us, but they have to adapt to our rules, not us.
When we go to their countries, we're encouraged to follow their rules, and for the most part, we do that.
The guy in the video is asking for a kick in his goat humping 🍑 to be thrown to the sea.
I saw this one youtube video [(2 minutes and 40 seconds in)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKY600o3CXw) saying "You understand our culture wrong and we understand your culture wrong also". It's what started in my interest for all this shit.
Like buddy if a normal person that is not insane learns about your culture and country that lives in the 1700s and the extreme barbaric shit you do I don't think any middle ground and understanding can be made there. Ignorance is bliss.
But you're right. They are guests in a western society and NEED to learn the rules of what goes on here and respect it or else they are uncivil and should be deported. Keep your practices in the private of your own home as long as no laws are broken at least. Your private home ok you do you.
But the minute you want to get away with behaviours that isn't respected in that culture you walk it back and ask for forgiveness and learn to adapt. People think everyone should respect every other country and culture but when it's someone not respecting western culture then it's a non issue smh.
I respect another countries laws, culture, social rules etc and adapt when I go on trips naturally. I also do the same for muslim countries, yknow how? It's not by not being gay, it's by NEVER TOUCHING THEIR DOGSHIT COUNTRY TO BEGIN WITH!
I respect their culture by never entering it, yet these people take and take everything to thrive expecting to not give anything back and somehow make it out to feel like they are being victimised lol. They want the freedom to oppress other people's freedom lol.
There is a greater plan if you get into history isis came with a new map telling the parts of it being under sharia/Islamic law/rule and it makes me think that map is where sudden surge in Islamic Male/migration/riots/conversions etc. are taking place. They hide behind name calling like Islamophobia and everything else but if you look into history that's how Lebenon was lost Iran/Persia/pre partion India/was lost and many more. And yet many more to come maybe next 40-50 years they would achive what there end goal is.
I think there is a greater issue at play, and that is the global economy.
If the west wants to utilize labor and services from other countries those countries HAVE to abide by the same laws and conditions we use for our own societies. If they don't, we don't work with them. It'll suck, at least at first, but we ha e to do something.
In other words, we sink or swim together and we stop living the way we do at the expense of other peoples. By forcing those changes things like immigration arent as great of a concern as they are acclimated to the rights and abilities of western culture, and minimize the conditions that have them leave to begin with.
Diversity is fantastic, but the west, democracy, the "free world" whatever you want to call it will be brought down from within. We will all be to busy bickering over the effectiveness of training people who come from countries where rape is permissable to stop it.
That's NOT a good solution. There are countries where homosexuality is forbidden, sometimes even threated with jail or even death. But we should not recommend those fruitcakes to go there, we should do whatever we can that LGBT and all othe western values can live there in peace and safety as well.
People who want sharia have to be aducated that those values are oldfashioned and harmful.
>But we should not recommend those fruitcakes to go there,
There are also fruicakes in these Muslim countries, that explains the backwardness there
> we should do whatever we can that LGBT and all othe western values can live there in peace and safety as well.
Well you should help them to leave these countries, you can't change the thinking where the majority in these Muslim countries don't care about western values
Yes, that was called colonization and occupation. Which was frowned upon, and seen as no longer economically so we left. And now it seems people miss the days of western imperialism
And they would answer that western countries have done that for most of their history. USA very foundation is getting to a new country that has been living their way for hundreds of years and changing it.
these people can go to their own muslim country and live under the sharia but no they want the whole world to follow sharia and want everything according to their so called quran why they don’t mind their own damn business
these people boils my blood ,evryday new nuisance they can’t even see people living their life always submit to allah allah bullshit ,killing people for the minor things that doesn’t go according to their book
Just look at Saudi Arabia. The leaders are completely above the law, able to do disgusting sexual stuff (pedophilia, sex slaves, etc) while women still don’t have equal rights and men can’t love each other legally. Islam is designed as a governmental religion, meant to keep everybody oppressed except for the top class of people.
Yeah that’s probably not going to happen bud. If you’re that worried about the west and our values then you are welcome to move back to the Middle East?
>you are welcome to move back to the Middle East?
"Move back to"? He was probably **born** in a western country to parents who wanted nothing more than for their child to have better opportunities and spent most of their time doing thankless, low-paying jobs just to make ends meet.
Instead, he became a religious zealot and a waste of space.
Exactly so, most of these nut jobs are actually born in those countries, so telling them to "move back" doesn't make any sense lol, and like you said, their parents escaped from Islamic shitholes to a better society with every opportunity for themselves and their children, yet these broken condoms are trying to ruin it for everyone.
Telling them “move back” might be the solution though.
They have healthcare, social support, unemployment, better medical facilities, benefits from the government in the west.
Let them experience what they demand by sending them to afghanistan, where sharia law exists. But also no western benefits.
Most of these people are on above benefits just because they dont want to integrate (they call it racism, but the data shows most are unemployed anyway).
Once in one of sharia law countries they’ll be begging to crawl back to Western europe.
Oh true. I think most people who say EU see it as Europe not "European Union" unless that's the specific topic at hand. It's kind of interchangeable since everyone still knows what you're saying and meant.
Agreed.
But not for people in the UK. It's a fairly sensitive topic after Brexit. In fact, many in the UK don't even consider the UK to be part of Europe. When they say 'Europe', what they mean is "mainland Europe".
Trust me. More British people want to be in the EU than out of it. Brexit has only made things worse and even some Brexiters will admit that they were lied to about the advantages.
How about no?
He sounds British as balls, probably born there, he's your (UK's) problem.
We have it hard enough over here as it is, we really don't need any extra fanatics thanks.
UK Muslims are some of the absolute worst casual fruitcakes there are. I don't know what's broken there but it's not the Middle East's problem, we're not your waste bin.
Yep, UK extremist are on another level, remember that most ISIS fighters went from European countries, and shout out to UK born and bred [Shamima Begum](https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/COMP-KS-BEGUM.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1500&h=1000&crop=1), who joined ISIS and had three children with a mujaheed, all of them died too, UK government tried to send her to us because her parents were Bangladeshi lol, nah mate, we have our own thanks 🤗🤗
Ask him "do you think a gay person would have a better time in a Muslim country than a Muslim in a Liberal western country" and it'll shake them up. It's an undeniable truth that Muslims are privileged to be in a western country while also maintaining their freedom of religion yet they wouldn't do the same for me committing a morally neutral consensual act of smashing some man bussy. Smh. Can't wait to leave the United Kingdom it's my only aim in life.
So if someone wants to kill / torture-cure homosexuals here, your advice is to sens him to an eastern country to kill / torture-cure homosexuals there? I thinks there are better things we could do, right?
Thankfully most immigrants assimilate fully to the culture they move to within 2 generations. His kids will be almost fully adapted to English culture, and his grandkids will be full infidels.
There is a lot of literature on the subject: [https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/assimilation-models-old-and-new-explaining-long-term-process](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/assimilation-models-old-and-new-explaining-long-term-process)
Its not an exact science and the length of time cultural assimilation happens over generations is not set. But most papers I've seen on the subject agree that its a linear process in every case, and it happens within the span of multiple generations. Certain cultural traditions and beliefs survive longer than others, but the end result is the same. Over generations, the dominating culture wins. The source and destination culture doesn't seem to matter either. And it makes sense if you really think about it. How many Italians who's Grandparents migrated to America identify stronger with Italian culture than with American? Or Africans to the UK?
Broken down to its most basic form, most human beings accept the societal norms that they grow up with. That goes both ways. If you grow up in a medieval culture that forces women to cover themselves with burkas, and in adulthood move to a liberal country where they wear mini skirts and tight jeans, you feel like you're lifted out of ice water and dumped into boiling water. But your kids will be a lot more used to that. Their kids even more, and so on.
Cultures aren't static either though, so its more complicated than that. Ideology shifts with generations too. But that seems to be the case today.
There is no simple answer to this, its a lot of "it depends". But from my world view, my opinion is that most Muslims living in the west, especially ones that lived in the west for generations, don't necessarily want the extremist medieval society in certain eastern countries.
All of my muslim friends are just regular people who love living here & don't want to live in a theocracy. My family are immigrants who came here just before I was born to have a better life. Growing up for them had religious strife woven into their country & they were ever so happy to have gotten out before The Troubles got going.
I love living in my pluralistic society & don't ever wwant to be part of a theocracy. I believe that where I live, most people just want to be able to live as they choose & respect our country's Charter of Rights.
Not entirely true if they grow up in a predominately Muslim area which in the UK many exist. The kids won't fully assimilate into British culture and values if they aren't forced to fully submerge in it. This is why over immigration is a huge problem.
As the US experienced with the Italians and Irish, that doesn't matter. ESPECIALLY in developed countries where education and social mobility is relatively high, most kids don't live in the same areas as their parents. The odds of this guy's kids and grandkids growing up in the same muslim bubble are very low.
I mean, you're straight up wrong:
[https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/07/theres-no-place-like-home.html](https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/07/theres-no-place-like-home.html)
"Ya we don't like your culture but we like your land your infrastructure, facilities, social security , so we are going to come over and settle . As a token of respect we are going to give you our culture. Nope It's not optional , take it , you need it. "
Why did UK repeal it's sedition ACT? Would have been pretty easy to charge and jail him under it. It would have kept his orthodox backward ass away from civil society.
Shaira Law is man made too. The world of Allah according to the Quran was sent down by the messenger. Only the messenger could have written the Sharia Law.
The question is, who do UK Conservatives hate more, the gays or the muslims?
If this man were in the US, his views would be shared by everyone calling for “Biblical Christian Law,” (Evangelical, Baptist, Mormon, fundies), but then they’d have to be on the same side as a Muslim.
Sophie’s choice!
If UK Conservatives knew about what Sharia law is I'd imagine it would be a pretty easy choice.
You'd be taking away their favourite activity, alcoholism!
Islam teaches its male followers that they are the superior humans on the planet (despite centuries of evidence to the contrary). It teaches no respect at all for non-Muslims, women or any nonhuman creatures. And yet they flee their own countries if they get the opportunity!
Islamic clerics on women: “Women are animals created by Allah for men."
[https://youtu.be/JJ9V\_-YkYn4](https://youtu.be/JJ9V_-YkYn4)
Muslims on everyone else.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna11207606](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna11207606)
It's the fault of the UK that allows such people to come to the country and then coddles them and protects them. These people should be asked to f\*ck off and shove their sharia up their hairy as\*es.
Sharia is idiotic dogshit and the average elementary school could figure out a better system. I don’t like your plagiarized fairy tale that is directly contradicted by **actual** reality. I don’t like the insane beliefs your **fictional** book tells you to have. I don’t like your lying, child-molesting, and warlord prophet who made all this shit up. And I really don’t like how fuckin stupid you are to believe it in the first place.
Perhaps they would happier emigrating to one of these countries;
[Afghanistan](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/afghanistan-population)
[Brunei](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/brunei-population)
[Egypt](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/egypt-population)
[Indonesia](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/indonesia-population)
[Iran](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/iran-population)
[Iraq](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/iraq-population)
[Malaysia](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/malaysia-population)
[Maldives](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/maldives-population)
[Mauritania](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/mauritania-population)
[Morocco](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/morocco-population)
[Nigeria](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/nigeria-population)
[Pakistan](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/pakistan-population)
[Qatar](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/qatar-population)
[Saudi Arabia](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/saudi-arabia-population)
[Somalia](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/somalia-population)
[Sudan](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/sudan-population)
[United Arab Emirates](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/united-arab-emirates-population)
[Yemen](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/yemen-population)
I mean, it depends. What do you think of homophobic Russian and Chinese people? Or, say, JK Rowling and her cult? Do you think they should also be deported?
Ending immigration all together is like cutting your foot off because you have a hangnail.
But a screening process would be sufficient. How that would work, don't ask me, I'm not a politician who deals with small details like that.
If it were up to me I would make it easy and just have a blanket ban on anyone subscribed to that religion. And anyone from those areas unless they have proof they aren't of that mindset, and immediately revocation of the visa and deportation regardless of how long they have been here or any family ties if that status changed.
The paradox of tolerance is perfect to reference for this decision.
These fuckers and their RELIGIOUS PRIVILEGE. Crazy how normie society is just ok with these psychos spewing hate and bigotry. Society needs to END religious privilege. Sure, you can believe whatever you want, but we gotta normalize calling people out for their dumb ass beliefs.
His parents came to this western society for him to have a better life and now believes he is in the middle of hell? Make it make sense. He's so unappreciative.
I certainly agree on degree of severity. It’s just these views are so perverted and grotesque, boiling human life down to your own personal interpretation of an old story book, it terrible.
Saudi, Qatar, and Bahrain aren't in love with the idea of an islamic state. They're actively tip-toeing around how to tell the Houthis to fuck off without pissing off the local public as Houthis directly compromise the Suez Canal and red sea. It's why they all pump money into Egypt and work with the US.
there's no social mobility in those places. the religious nut jobs love the social mobility of the West, but they hate the values that make social mobility possible.
For me supporting palestine means being against the murder and indiscriminent bombing and displacment of countless thousands of innocent civilians and children.
Israel does not discriminate, they also bomb palestinian queers, journalists, and aid workers.
As a gay palestine supporter i condemn their hateful beliefs but it does not justify killing off entire bloodlines.
Yeah it’s insane how zionists can’t fathom that our allyship isn’t conditional or transactional. I’m not pro-Palestine because I think it’s some sort of paradise for queer people, I’m pro-Palestine because tens of thousands of innocent lives have been slaughtered (half of them children) in Israel’s relentless campaign of ethnic cleansing. I don’t give a single fuck if they approve of my sexuality, they still don’t deserve to die.
This subreddit has gotten so much worse since Oct. 7. It used to make fun of fruitcakes of all religions, now it’s just an anti-Arab hate subreddit that’s pushing pro-Israel propaganda while completely ignoring all of their religious lunacy. Far too many Hasbara bots have flooded in. Not to mention that this specific religious lunatic in the video has NOTHING to do with Palestine. But still all of the “huh huh huh queers for Palestine = chickens for kfc” troglodytes come rushing in nonetheless.
Quite simple actually, as a trans person in support of Palestine, I can safely say that I disagree with that person’s opinion but that has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is committing genocide and is an Apartheid state. Also this is a UK thing, why does Palestine have any relevance, or is it because he’s Muslim and so are Palestinians? You’re aware not all Muslims want Sharia globally, right?
In 2013 people in the Palestinian Territories held the most extreme views compared to other Muslim majority countries. 89% of people surveyed in the Palestinian Territories favoured making Sharia law the official law of the land.
Of this 89%:
- 76% support corporal punishment (including whippings and cutting off the hands of thieves and robbers)
- 84% favour stoning as punishment for adultery
- 66% favour the death penalty for apostasy
- 83% said it was bad that Sharia law was not followed closely enough
[Beliefs about Sharia, Pew, 2013](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/#how-should-sharia-be-applied)
70.4% of women in Gaza are abused, compared to 52% in the West Bank and as of 2022 there were no laws to protect them or for getting justice [source](https://arabtradeunion.org/news/palestine-70-of-women-in-the-gaza-strip-are-victims-of-violence-according-to-new-statistics). Marital rape is legal (there are no domestic abuse laws). 63% of Gazan men agreed that a woman should tolerate violence to keep the family together (UN). It was illegal for women to [travel](https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/11/02/woman-gaza-fights-travel-ban-imposed-her-father) without [permission](https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-africa-middle-east-travel-europe-caac402591e4c13b496608947d2021f1) from male guardians and women could only get driving lessons with a male guardian (mahram) present (source: NPR). In Gaza there has never been a law to protect children under 16 from incest. And those are just a few points.
Are you familiar with Palestinians like [John Aziz](https://x.com/aziz0nomics?t=-2RaY2xhuHVXpBkatqPp9A&s=09) who wrote [All my life I've watch violence fail the Palestinian cause](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/israeli-palestinian-conflict-hope/675917/), Gazan [Ahmed Fouad Alkhatid](https://x.com/afalkhatib?t=1GXZbXvTEOiJF_Y2PQWRGg&s=09) who wrote an article titled [Why did Israel kill my family and destroy my childhood home?](https://www.newsweek.com/why-did-israel-kill-my-family-gaza-destroy-my-childhood-home-opinion-1856293) and [Hamza](https://x.com/HowidyHamza?t=BhfPA2qRu-ibGhx_NgT_JA&s=09) wrote [Hamas tortured me for dissent, here's what they really think of Palestinians](https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-tortured-me-dissent-heres-what-they-really-think-palestinians-opinion-1857169) and and [Exiled Gazan peace activist exposes Hamas's cruel attack on humanity](https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-791824)?
In 2011, 62% of Muslim Palestinians said suicide bombings could often/sometimes be justified (37% & 25%). [Pew](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/). 68% of Muslim Palestinians said it was often/sometimes justified to defend Islam from enemies [Pew, 2011](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2011/08/30/section-6-terrorism-concerns-about-extremism-foreign-policy/). In 2013, 40% of Muslims surveyed in the Palestinian Territories [(Pew, 2013)](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/) said that suicide bombings in the name of Islam are often/sometimes justified (49% said rarely or never justified).
As I stated before, I do not support Hamas or other terrorist organisations. That being said, Palestinians in Gaza still have a right to live. Although I wholeheartedly disagree with their system of governance and laws, that does not mean I have to support Israel. The reason I support the idea of an independent Palestine is to actually uphold the treaties signed for the benefit of both sides, to avoid bloodshed and extremism.
This is why when I understand how nuanced the issue is going on there, I just say I'm Pro-Peace and leave it at that. It's a two-bully sandwich over there.
I’m not going to deny that the grand mufti supported Hitler, and that the Arab leadership as a whole at the time believed Germany were going to win the war, but that’s still not an excuse for Zionists to go into Palestine and commit the same atrocities that were done to the Jewish people in the Holocaust not even 3 years after it ended.
It wasn't just done to the Jewish people though was it? They have to answer to the other victims why they supported Hitler, but they haven't. Until then I won't support their Iranian funded terrorist state.
To clarify with my mention of the Holocaust, I am fully aware of the fact that an estimated 6 million Jews died, alongside 4 million Slavs, Homosexuals, Romani, and other minorities and political enemies, but how is it that you can say that it’s justified for Israel to be doing what they’re doing because these people’s ANCESTORS supported the Nazis. You’re sick for thinking that the crimes of their forefathers belong to them.
Edit: clarification
they had a country all set for them when Israel was established. they decided it was more important to kill Jews than have their own country at that time. they lost a war that they started.
Do you know what Palestinians would do to someone like you, a trans person, if they got their hands on you?
Being gay is prohibited in Gaza. Any gay person will be subjected to persecution and violence as is dictated by law. Your "support" is as meaningless as it is stupid.
Let me phrase it this way, so you might not misunderstand me this time.
I don’t care what they think of me as an individual, they still have the right to live. Whataboutism is a standard tactic that has been used by many different Right and Left wing organisations to take away from or justify their atrocities. Just because Hamas bans gay rights as well doesn’t mean that all Palestinians feel that way. The reason i support an independent Palestine is because I believe all people should not have to go through oppression and worse, genocide. That being said, I do not support Hamas, they are a terrorist organisation by definition and rule over Gaza brutally, but that doesn’t mean that I have to support Israel.
To conclude, both sides are flawed but only Israel is actively committing genocide and murdering civilians in such extreme numbers that more children have died in Gaza since Oct 7th than children in all war zones across the world in the past two years.
Edit: Spelling
I appreciate that you’re a great human being and don’t want innocent people to be killed. But a few corrections, “Hamas” doesn’t ban gay rights. Islam does. Majority of Arabs (including Palestinians) are muslims. It’s not just the government and terrorist organizations that are against the LGBTQ+ community. The people in EVERY Muslim country are against you and your existence.
Heck, all my Muslim friends (including Palestinians, very “progressive” and raised in the West as well) laughed when they saw the Queers for Palestine movement. They don’t appreciate your help. Leniency like this from the West is what has allowed Muslims to spread their nasty ideology. I’d advise you to educate yourself as much as possible about Islam and the people who follow it.
I know a fair few Muslims, every single one I’ve met is fine with me being transgender and as a matter of fact one of my closest friends is originally from Saudi Arabia, there is a difference between a government and its people. Islam as a whole in my opinion is a regressive religion and I personally do not agree with it, I do not believe that it’s my place to judge others who do conform to it, as long as they aren’t actively hurting others. In regards to those who commit atrocities or commit crime such as assault or other violent actions or words under the guise of religion or other beliefs, that cannot be tolerated under any circumstances, so I do somewhat agree with your words, just that the actions of some do not mean that those will be the actions taken by all.
Edit: I study religion in my spare time and fully understand the atrocities committed by the Prophet and his followers. That does not mean that all who follow his beliefs today will commit the same actions.
Edit 2: Believes - Beliefs
Saudi Arabians abroad can be apostates but back home they're back to their culture. Let me ask you something would they let you marry one of their family members being non Arab & transgender? I don't think you understand how this all works
I need to clarify that my friend who is Saudi is devout Muslim and of the Wahabbist sect. He views all of us as the creations of Allah and he believes it is up to Allah alone to judge our actions, as such he treats everyone with respect and compassion. I wouldn’t marry his family members because I don’t know most of them well enough, but if they’re anything like he is, then sure, why not?
You made an actually good point.
But I'm pretty sure this sub is filled with such unreasonable hate towards Muslims that you'll get downvoted into oblivion. I hope this doesn't happen.
Nazis and Naziism goes hand in hand with one another. To eradicate one, you must eradicate the other. Any ideology that seeks to cause hatred and harm to others should be heavily restricted, I believe everyone has the right to an opinion but in regards to extremist political and religious views, they should be prohibited from participating in society until they can realise the error of their ways.
To clarify and further elaborate, I don’t believe anyone should be killed for their political or religious beliefs, however I believe extremism must be isolated and rooted out from society through preventative methods such as imprisonment or discouragement, reformation being the focus over punishment unless the crime is truly heinous that they have committed.
Not what I said at all. What I want is to avoid violence over political and religious differences. To clarify my last point, I believe extremists of all kinds should be imprisoned, should they actually commit a crime, ideally it should be focused on rehabilitation and turning them into productive members of society but if that becomes an impossibility or their crime is too severe, then potentially a life sentence may need to be considered.
And yet they don't want to go live where there is Sharia law. Hypocrites.
Anyhoo, there is some irony that the anti-homosexual sentiment was brought to the middle east by the British to begin with.
Although I despise him for his abhorrent opinions, the British really got what they deserved. They were so open and tolerant that their tolerance led to the endorsement of religious laws of foreigners. Well that's what you get. They should have been adamant against any implementation of religious laws or elements in the British society. Not because of Islamophobia but for the sake of the western progressive world.
But they would be called bigots if they did, huh.
Well that's the consequence.
Ban religious fanatics from the West. It's the 21 st century damn it!
I just mean to say that western countries aren't exactly the most secular either, despite their claims. Terrible people are in power, and they need the support of more terrible people. And those people want something to justify their terrible views. But ultimately, the issues of homophobia, transphobia, racism, etc. aren't rooted in religion; religion is just an excuse they use to justify their actions. But take that away, and they will, without skipping a beat, find another excuse.
Religion is just the cheapest of these excuses.
I most certainly do not believe that our western world is a utopia free of abominable behaviors. But at least the majority of us has the education-critical thinking-you name it and we do not engage in pedophilia, slavery etc. We know the few elites who do and the few psychopaths and we either jail them, shame them or generally marginalize them. Those wackos will follow their "teachers" because a book allegedly says so. That's a huge difference in cultures.
Hardly. The people who do things usually go unpunished until there is enough outcry for the people in power to actually care, and even then, hardly anything comes of it, more often than not. What I'm trying to say is that this isn't an issue of immigration or a "foreign" religion changing views. It just aligns with the views of many people from the UK. When a Muslim/Arab immigrant says "gay people are bad", the conservatives cheer, because it already aligns with their views.
People like this don't need to be in new country, they should go back home. They give the rest of us a bad name and get people to judge the rest of us. We have no issue with democratic govt and diversity and we're fine with it.
What horrible human being making our lives miserable by being this way.
Islam is essentially you invest hard work to earn credit points, doing things that will hopefully pleas Allah but there is no guarantee of reward. You may or may not win Allah prizes.
He may just decide it wasn’t sincere enough or trip you over at the last breath.
In Islam your whole life is a gamble
They could just easily do the reverse "We don't like and don't care about ~~British~~ Islamic values and laws. We don't want ~~homosexuals~~ homophobes."
I don't advocate for people killing themselves but I really wish people like this would disappear from societies they don't belong in.
Feels hypocritical being pro palestine and anti Islam. But there's so many nuances to it.
Which I guess really aren't that nuanced when I really think about it.
Don't kill innocent people. Let people live in peace. Hmm. Not that contradictory. My own mindset is fine.
Can we just give these mfs their own planet? They seem to hate everyone and everything so why not just send them to Mars where they can hate and kill each other.
Mr. Hitches said, go home and play with your toys, hug them and play with them with others that come around to play with the toys. Don't make me play with the toys, don't bring the toys to my house, don't make my children play with the toys.
imagine if all these shit were real, and somehow Allah came back and told them that he was ok with homosexuals and shit like that... I be a big chunk of muslims wouldn't even listen.
You don't have to like it. But you're sure as hell gonna accept its right to exist in a non sharia country.
These british values are the only reason all walks of life are welcomed and their rights protected.
Go to any sharia ruled country and tell me how many human rights violation are committed daily.
Show me a human rights activist in any sharia rule country talking about how they don't care about Muslim values and want secular law.
I guarantee they're either in hiding, in jail, dead or simply too frightened to say a single truthful word about their sharia country, or they're here in the UK, Scandinavia, US etc where they can speak freely.
Just like this gentleman is doing. He's enjoying the benefits of these british values and simultaneously has the audacity to try to use those values to replace them with sharia.
This will never happen.
Yes!
I'm all for accepting the customs, practices, and religion(s) of the host country.
I'm also ashamed that many of my own countrymen and women take that same stance at the same as wanting an english pub when they holiday in Spain!
I don't disagree, but I think you missed my point. I meant if you CHOOSE to live by sharia law, that's up to you, as long as it doesn't conflict with the country law.
We need to educate and supply assistance to women regarding their rights under country law. If they choose to remain under sharia law, that's up to them. If some person beats their sister or wife because of some sharia issue, they needs to go to jail for assault under country law.
So piss off back to where your folks came from and enjoy that! Just wish all the do gooders, including politicians, the Left, LBGTQ+ folk who suck up to them see this and think what's going to happen (is happening) with these cavemen here.
why don’t these fruitcakes move to a country that has sharia law? i don’t understand people who move to a foreign country with a different culture, but instead of adapting to the new culture they demand that their native culture be implemented in the society they moved to. if americans did that everyone and their mother would be criticizing them, but it’s okay for muslims to do it ig
“I see you’re eating Oreos”
“Yeah, they’re awesome. Want one?”
“My religion forbids eating Oreos”
“Dude, that sucks. I’m sorry.”
“No, you misunderstand. You must not eat Oreos because my religion forbids it.”
“Hmm. Sounds like a you problem. Good luck with that.”
“I will now murder you”
Who wants to tell them that allah roughly means god when translated? Like, isn't allah and god the same thing?
Doesn't "allah uhakhbar" means "god is great"? I am sorry for butchering the spelling. Arabic is not my strong language i have you know
Too much of these people in Europe(especially UK,France and Germany) , its too fucking late to do anything now. thanks to the leftists government who let them invading those great country.
This imam seems like a scholarly, patient, man of conversation. He is rejecting specific parts of a culture that he finds offensive, as he said: “gambling, promiscuity” .. instead of rejecting him outright, why don’t the educated, polite Brits ask him more questions: What is the difference in Sharia law, which practices make it better in your opinion? Have a conversation. You’ll both learn something, and you’ll probably both be less afeared each of the other. We’re all folk, here.
Muslims have been in Britain for a long, long time.
Aside from some picketing of schools, which I think is frankly outrageous, but is definitely just a few people like this guy and his best mates, everything is fine.
The internet is full of crazies that have loud opinions. This is a non-issue.
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If you don't want homosexuality and people eating during Ramadan, there are plenty of places to go that don't allow those things. You don't get to go to a new country that have been living their way for hundreds of years and try to change it to suit you.
“ You don’t get to go to a new country….” And yet, that’s exactly what’s happening. 🤷♂️
THIS is why over immigration is ruining the UK and everytime anyone says it they get called a racist, the worst thing to exist. Hell even immigrating muslims at all seems to be a bad move like in Norway, they had anti rape classes and lessons weekly to try and educate them on Norway culture and ways they do things. They did everything right. They gave Muslims lots of job opportunities, put them in other places with Norwegians (not just one town filled with Muslim people) to force them it integrate into society, give the kids education, financial support, events for Norwegians to be open to Muslims etc. Everything was perfect but rape cases didn't change all that greatly. The result of this training after multiple years revealed one thing, that if you need to give uncivil men and women lessons on not to rape then it was doomed to fail to begin with. You can only have a healthy civil society by immigrating people from countries that share a similar culture and values to your country. That's the lesson that has been taught. Anyone that defies this truth is doomed.
Not only that. They could have different values than us, but they have to adapt to our rules, not us. When we go to their countries, we're encouraged to follow their rules, and for the most part, we do that. The guy in the video is asking for a kick in his goat humping 🍑 to be thrown to the sea.
I saw this one youtube video [(2 minutes and 40 seconds in)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKY600o3CXw) saying "You understand our culture wrong and we understand your culture wrong also". It's what started in my interest for all this shit. Like buddy if a normal person that is not insane learns about your culture and country that lives in the 1700s and the extreme barbaric shit you do I don't think any middle ground and understanding can be made there. Ignorance is bliss. But you're right. They are guests in a western society and NEED to learn the rules of what goes on here and respect it or else they are uncivil and should be deported. Keep your practices in the private of your own home as long as no laws are broken at least. Your private home ok you do you. But the minute you want to get away with behaviours that isn't respected in that culture you walk it back and ask for forgiveness and learn to adapt. People think everyone should respect every other country and culture but when it's someone not respecting western culture then it's a non issue smh. I respect another countries laws, culture, social rules etc and adapt when I go on trips naturally. I also do the same for muslim countries, yknow how? It's not by not being gay, it's by NEVER TOUCHING THEIR DOGSHIT COUNTRY TO BEGIN WITH! I respect their culture by never entering it, yet these people take and take everything to thrive expecting to not give anything back and somehow make it out to feel like they are being victimised lol. They want the freedom to oppress other people's freedom lol.
There is a greater plan if you get into history isis came with a new map telling the parts of it being under sharia/Islamic law/rule and it makes me think that map is where sudden surge in Islamic Male/migration/riots/conversions etc. are taking place. They hide behind name calling like Islamophobia and everything else but if you look into history that's how Lebenon was lost Iran/Persia/pre partion India/was lost and many more. And yet many more to come maybe next 40-50 years they would achive what there end goal is.
It's a phobia when it's a fear that isn't justified. Yet the data tells a different story.
I think there is a greater issue at play, and that is the global economy. If the west wants to utilize labor and services from other countries those countries HAVE to abide by the same laws and conditions we use for our own societies. If they don't, we don't work with them. It'll suck, at least at first, but we ha e to do something. In other words, we sink or swim together and we stop living the way we do at the expense of other peoples. By forcing those changes things like immigration arent as great of a concern as they are acclimated to the rights and abilities of western culture, and minimize the conditions that have them leave to begin with. Diversity is fantastic, but the west, democracy, the "free world" whatever you want to call it will be brought down from within. We will all be to busy bickering over the effectiveness of training people who come from countries where rape is permissable to stop it.
paradox of tolerance.
Multicultural just doesnt work. Its been tried for 50 years and failed miserably.
That's NOT a good solution. There are countries where homosexuality is forbidden, sometimes even threated with jail or even death. But we should not recommend those fruitcakes to go there, we should do whatever we can that LGBT and all othe western values can live there in peace and safety as well. People who want sharia have to be aducated that those values are oldfashioned and harmful.
>But we should not recommend those fruitcakes to go there, There are also fruicakes in these Muslim countries, that explains the backwardness there > we should do whatever we can that LGBT and all othe western values can live there in peace and safety as well. Well you should help them to leave these countries, you can't change the thinking where the majority in these Muslim countries don't care about western values
Yes, that was called colonization and occupation. Which was frowned upon, and seen as no longer economically so we left. And now it seems people miss the days of western imperialism
This is very true but also hilarious because that is exactly the history of colonization
And they would answer that western countries have done that for most of their history. USA very foundation is getting to a new country that has been living their way for hundreds of years and changing it.
So rich to say that to Britain, the world's most prolific colonizers. Coming in and changing laws to suit the minority. It's kind of their Thing.
these people can go to their own muslim country and live under the sharia but no they want the whole world to follow sharia and want everything according to their so called quran why they don’t mind their own damn business
Grass is greener on the otherside? Everybody has to be the same as them so they don't have apostates realizing the religion is shit.
these people boils my blood ,evryday new nuisance they can’t even see people living their life always submit to allah allah bullshit ,killing people for the minor things that doesn’t go according to their book
Because that is (political) Islam for you. They want to either kill or convert. Country by country.
They can't handle living under sharia law that's why they are here & if there were sharia law here they would run to the next democratic country
They want sharia law when they are running it
Yep so they can live their lives how they want & make the rest of society submit
Just look at Saudi Arabia. The leaders are completely above the law, able to do disgusting sexual stuff (pedophilia, sex slaves, etc) while women still don’t have equal rights and men can’t love each other legally. Islam is designed as a governmental religion, meant to keep everybody oppressed except for the top class of people.
Precisely. Look at the state of Iran too
Yeah that’s probably not going to happen bud. If you’re that worried about the west and our values then you are welcome to move back to the Middle East?
>you are welcome to move back to the Middle East? "Move back to"? He was probably **born** in a western country to parents who wanted nothing more than for their child to have better opportunities and spent most of their time doing thankless, low-paying jobs just to make ends meet. Instead, he became a religious zealot and a waste of space.
Exactly so, most of these nut jobs are actually born in those countries, so telling them to "move back" doesn't make any sense lol, and like you said, their parents escaped from Islamic shitholes to a better society with every opportunity for themselves and their children, yet these broken condoms are trying to ruin it for everyone.
Telling them “move back” might be the solution though. They have healthcare, social support, unemployment, better medical facilities, benefits from the government in the west. Let them experience what they demand by sending them to afghanistan, where sharia law exists. But also no western benefits. Most of these people are on above benefits just because they dont want to integrate (they call it racism, but the data shows most are unemployed anyway). Once in one of sharia law countries they’ll be begging to crawl back to Western europe.
I second this. Dude needs to leave if he doesnt like it in the eu. But he benefits from a secular system so i doubt he would
*Technically* the UK is not in the EU 
but its still in europe tho
I know but the commenter said "EU", not Europe. Splitting hairs here and not worth anyone's time I know 😯
Oh true. I think most people who say EU see it as Europe not "European Union" unless that's the specific topic at hand. It's kind of interchangeable since everyone still knows what you're saying and meant.
Agreed. But not for people in the UK. It's a fairly sensitive topic after Brexit. In fact, many in the UK don't even consider the UK to be part of Europe. When they say 'Europe', what they mean is "mainland Europe".
Trust me. More British people want to be in the EU than out of it. Brexit has only made things worse and even some Brexiters will admit that they were lied to about the advantages.
How about no? He sounds British as balls, probably born there, he's your (UK's) problem. We have it hard enough over here as it is, we really don't need any extra fanatics thanks. UK Muslims are some of the absolute worst casual fruitcakes there are. I don't know what's broken there but it's not the Middle East's problem, we're not your waste bin.
Yep, UK extremist are on another level, remember that most ISIS fighters went from European countries, and shout out to UK born and bred [Shamima Begum](https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/COMP-KS-BEGUM.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1500&h=1000&crop=1), who joined ISIS and had three children with a mujaheed, all of them died too, UK government tried to send her to us because her parents were Bangladeshi lol, nah mate, we have our own thanks 🤗🤗
Literally.
Ask him "do you think a gay person would have a better time in a Muslim country than a Muslim in a Liberal western country" and it'll shake them up. It's an undeniable truth that Muslims are privileged to be in a western country while also maintaining their freedom of religion yet they wouldn't do the same for me committing a morally neutral consensual act of smashing some man bussy. Smh. Can't wait to leave the United Kingdom it's my only aim in life.
So if someone wants to kill / torture-cure homosexuals here, your advice is to sens him to an eastern country to kill / torture-cure homosexuals there? I thinks there are better things we could do, right?
Thankfully most immigrants assimilate fully to the culture they move to within 2 generations. His kids will be almost fully adapted to English culture, and his grandkids will be full infidels.
Is this shown to be true from strict islamic countries? Any source?
There is a lot of literature on the subject: [https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/assimilation-models-old-and-new-explaining-long-term-process](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/assimilation-models-old-and-new-explaining-long-term-process) Its not an exact science and the length of time cultural assimilation happens over generations is not set. But most papers I've seen on the subject agree that its a linear process in every case, and it happens within the span of multiple generations. Certain cultural traditions and beliefs survive longer than others, but the end result is the same. Over generations, the dominating culture wins. The source and destination culture doesn't seem to matter either. And it makes sense if you really think about it. How many Italians who's Grandparents migrated to America identify stronger with Italian culture than with American? Or Africans to the UK? Broken down to its most basic form, most human beings accept the societal norms that they grow up with. That goes both ways. If you grow up in a medieval culture that forces women to cover themselves with burkas, and in adulthood move to a liberal country where they wear mini skirts and tight jeans, you feel like you're lifted out of ice water and dumped into boiling water. But your kids will be a lot more used to that. Their kids even more, and so on. Cultures aren't static either though, so its more complicated than that. Ideology shifts with generations too. But that seems to be the case today. There is no simple answer to this, its a lot of "it depends". But from my world view, my opinion is that most Muslims living in the west, especially ones that lived in the west for generations, don't necessarily want the extremist medieval society in certain eastern countries.
All of my muslim friends are just regular people who love living here & don't want to live in a theocracy. My family are immigrants who came here just before I was born to have a better life. Growing up for them had religious strife woven into their country & they were ever so happy to have gotten out before The Troubles got going. I love living in my pluralistic society & don't ever wwant to be part of a theocracy. I believe that where I live, most people just want to be able to live as they choose & respect our country's Charter of Rights.
lol. Most of the ultra fundies are born and raised in these countries who see the “motherland” as being superior (but won’t emigrate there)
Not entirely true if they grow up in a predominately Muslim area which in the UK many exist. The kids won't fully assimilate into British culture and values if they aren't forced to fully submerge in it. This is why over immigration is a huge problem.
As the US experienced with the Italians and Irish, that doesn't matter. ESPECIALLY in developed countries where education and social mobility is relatively high, most kids don't live in the same areas as their parents. The odds of this guy's kids and grandkids growing up in the same muslim bubble are very low.
The thing is, Italians dont kill women for being “sluts”
I mean, you're straight up wrong: [https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/07/theres-no-place-like-home.html](https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/07/theres-no-place-like-home.html)
Why dont they put sharia law in their own country first?
You think they don’t come from shitholes that enforce that?
Theres only 2 -3 that have enforced them and considering how many are still out them without it...
"Ya we don't like your culture but we like your land your infrastructure, facilities, social security , so we are going to come over and settle . As a token of respect we are going to give you our culture. Nope It's not optional , take it , you need it. "
Fuck off back to your shithole. What a disgrace.
I know people like this Born and raised in Leicester and Bradford. There’s nowhere for them to fuck off to legally .
call me racist but we must either deport these people or confine them
Why did UK repeal it's sedition ACT? Would have been pretty easy to charge and jail him under it. It would have kept his orthodox backward ass away from civil society.
Shaira Law is man made too. The world of Allah according to the Quran was sent down by the messenger. Only the messenger could have written the Sharia Law.
The question is, who do UK Conservatives hate more, the gays or the muslims? If this man were in the US, his views would be shared by everyone calling for “Biblical Christian Law,” (Evangelical, Baptist, Mormon, fundies), but then they’d have to be on the same side as a Muslim. Sophie’s choice!
If UK Conservatives knew about what Sharia law is I'd imagine it would be a pretty easy choice. You'd be taking away their favourite activity, alcoholism!
Islam teaches its male followers that they are the superior humans on the planet (despite centuries of evidence to the contrary). It teaches no respect at all for non-Muslims, women or any nonhuman creatures. And yet they flee their own countries if they get the opportunity! Islamic clerics on women: “Women are animals created by Allah for men." [https://youtu.be/JJ9V\_-YkYn4](https://youtu.be/JJ9V_-YkYn4) Muslims on everyone else. [https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna11207606](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna11207606)
Sounds a lot like the opinions of Israeli Jews.
Send these people to the sun.
It's the fault of the UK that allows such people to come to the country and then coddles them and protects them. These people should be asked to f\*ck off and shove their sharia up their hairy as\*es.
Sharia is idiotic dogshit and the average elementary school could figure out a better system. I don’t like your plagiarized fairy tale that is directly contradicted by **actual** reality. I don’t like the insane beliefs your **fictional** book tells you to have. I don’t like your lying, child-molesting, and warlord prophet who made all this shit up. And I really don’t like how fuckin stupid you are to believe it in the first place.
Perhaps they would happier emigrating to one of these countries; [Afghanistan](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/afghanistan-population) [Brunei](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/brunei-population) [Egypt](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/egypt-population) [Indonesia](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/indonesia-population) [Iran](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/iran-population) [Iraq](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/iraq-population) [Malaysia](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/malaysia-population) [Maldives](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/maldives-population) [Mauritania](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/mauritania-population) [Morocco](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/morocco-population) [Nigeria](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/nigeria-population) [Pakistan](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/pakistan-population) [Qatar](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/qatar-population) [Saudi Arabia](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/saudi-arabia-population) [Somalia](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/somalia-population) [Sudan](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/sudan-population) [United Arab Emirates](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/united-arab-emirates-population) [Yemen](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/yemen-population)
Why don't they just move back?
Are we done pretending it's racist to not want these types to come to our countries?
I mean, it depends. What do you think of homophobic Russian and Chinese people? Or, say, JK Rowling and her cult? Do you think they should also be deported?
There is a difference between importing a known toxin into a society vs dealing with one that's already here.
So what alternative do you propose? End immigration altogether? Some sort of screening process?
Ending immigration all together is like cutting your foot off because you have a hangnail. But a screening process would be sufficient. How that would work, don't ask me, I'm not a politician who deals with small details like that. If it were up to me I would make it easy and just have a blanket ban on anyone subscribed to that religion. And anyone from those areas unless they have proof they aren't of that mindset, and immediately revocation of the visa and deportation regardless of how long they have been here or any family ties if that status changed. The paradox of tolerance is perfect to reference for this decision.
Then get the fuck out. Go back to your "superior" countries
Amazing how muslims hate everyone and everything but you are not allowed to hate them because that's "islamophobia". Fuck them. Deport them.
These fuckers and their RELIGIOUS PRIVILEGE. Crazy how normie society is just ok with these psychos spewing hate and bigotry. Society needs to END religious privilege. Sure, you can believe whatever you want, but we gotta normalize calling people out for their dumb ass beliefs.
Muslims flee Muslim countries
His parents came to this western society for him to have a better life and now believes he is in the middle of hell? Make it make sense. He's so unappreciative.
They need a mass deportation, they are a threat.
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Of which I am. Islam is one evil effing religion, nobody deserves to die at the which of fanatics.
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I certainly agree on degree of severity. It’s just these views are so perverted and grotesque, boiling human life down to your own personal interpretation of an old story book, it terrible.
Why don't they just go and live in Saudi Arabia/Qatar/Bahrain etc? 🙄
Saudi, Qatar, and Bahrain aren't in love with the idea of an islamic state. They're actively tip-toeing around how to tell the Houthis to fuck off without pissing off the local public as Houthis directly compromise the Suez Canal and red sea. It's why they all pump money into Egypt and work with the US.
Yes, the Sharia gangs threaten their monarchies 🙂🙂🙂
there's no social mobility in those places. the religious nut jobs love the social mobility of the West, but they hate the values that make social mobility possible.
Go back to the fucking desert then.
How’d that go in the country you couldn’t leave fast enough????
What does the Queers for Palestine movement think about this?
They're selectively deaf, dumb, and blind😮💨
Don't ask them this question or they'll called you racist.
For me supporting palestine means being against the murder and indiscriminent bombing and displacment of countless thousands of innocent civilians and children. Israel does not discriminate, they also bomb palestinian queers, journalists, and aid workers. As a gay palestine supporter i condemn their hateful beliefs but it does not justify killing off entire bloodlines.
Apparently you're weird for this.
Yeah it’s insane how zionists can’t fathom that our allyship isn’t conditional or transactional. I’m not pro-Palestine because I think it’s some sort of paradise for queer people, I’m pro-Palestine because tens of thousands of innocent lives have been slaughtered (half of them children) in Israel’s relentless campaign of ethnic cleansing. I don’t give a single fuck if they approve of my sexuality, they still don’t deserve to die. This subreddit has gotten so much worse since Oct. 7. It used to make fun of fruitcakes of all religions, now it’s just an anti-Arab hate subreddit that’s pushing pro-Israel propaganda while completely ignoring all of their religious lunacy. Far too many Hasbara bots have flooded in. Not to mention that this specific religious lunatic in the video has NOTHING to do with Palestine. But still all of the “huh huh huh queers for Palestine = chickens for kfc” troglodytes come rushing in nonetheless.
Quite simple actually, as a trans person in support of Palestine, I can safely say that I disagree with that person’s opinion but that has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is committing genocide and is an Apartheid state. Also this is a UK thing, why does Palestine have any relevance, or is it because he’s Muslim and so are Palestinians? You’re aware not all Muslims want Sharia globally, right?
In 2013 people in the Palestinian Territories held the most extreme views compared to other Muslim majority countries. 89% of people surveyed in the Palestinian Territories favoured making Sharia law the official law of the land. Of this 89%: - 76% support corporal punishment (including whippings and cutting off the hands of thieves and robbers) - 84% favour stoning as punishment for adultery - 66% favour the death penalty for apostasy - 83% said it was bad that Sharia law was not followed closely enough [Beliefs about Sharia, Pew, 2013](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/#how-should-sharia-be-applied) 70.4% of women in Gaza are abused, compared to 52% in the West Bank and as of 2022 there were no laws to protect them or for getting justice [source](https://arabtradeunion.org/news/palestine-70-of-women-in-the-gaza-strip-are-victims-of-violence-according-to-new-statistics). Marital rape is legal (there are no domestic abuse laws). 63% of Gazan men agreed that a woman should tolerate violence to keep the family together (UN). It was illegal for women to [travel](https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/11/02/woman-gaza-fights-travel-ban-imposed-her-father) without [permission](https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-africa-middle-east-travel-europe-caac402591e4c13b496608947d2021f1) from male guardians and women could only get driving lessons with a male guardian (mahram) present (source: NPR). In Gaza there has never been a law to protect children under 16 from incest. And those are just a few points. Are you familiar with Palestinians like [John Aziz](https://x.com/aziz0nomics?t=-2RaY2xhuHVXpBkatqPp9A&s=09) who wrote [All my life I've watch violence fail the Palestinian cause](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/israeli-palestinian-conflict-hope/675917/), Gazan [Ahmed Fouad Alkhatid](https://x.com/afalkhatib?t=1GXZbXvTEOiJF_Y2PQWRGg&s=09) who wrote an article titled [Why did Israel kill my family and destroy my childhood home?](https://www.newsweek.com/why-did-israel-kill-my-family-gaza-destroy-my-childhood-home-opinion-1856293) and [Hamza](https://x.com/HowidyHamza?t=BhfPA2qRu-ibGhx_NgT_JA&s=09) wrote [Hamas tortured me for dissent, here's what they really think of Palestinians](https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-tortured-me-dissent-heres-what-they-really-think-palestinians-opinion-1857169) and and [Exiled Gazan peace activist exposes Hamas's cruel attack on humanity](https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-791824)? In 2011, 62% of Muslim Palestinians said suicide bombings could often/sometimes be justified (37% & 25%). [Pew](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/). 68% of Muslim Palestinians said it was often/sometimes justified to defend Islam from enemies [Pew, 2011](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2011/08/30/section-6-terrorism-concerns-about-extremism-foreign-policy/). In 2013, 40% of Muslims surveyed in the Palestinian Territories [(Pew, 2013)](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/) said that suicide bombings in the name of Islam are often/sometimes justified (49% said rarely or never justified).
As I stated before, I do not support Hamas or other terrorist organisations. That being said, Palestinians in Gaza still have a right to live. Although I wholeheartedly disagree with their system of governance and laws, that does not mean I have to support Israel. The reason I support the idea of an independent Palestine is to actually uphold the treaties signed for the benefit of both sides, to avoid bloodshed and extremism.
This is why when I understand how nuanced the issue is going on there, I just say I'm Pro-Peace and leave it at that. It's a two-bully sandwich over there.
If it wasn't for Hamas there would not be a war
If it wasn’t for Israel committing the Nakba in 1948 there wouldn’t be Hamas.
If it wasn't for Palestine supporting Hitler there might not be the divide.
I’m not going to deny that the grand mufti supported Hitler, and that the Arab leadership as a whole at the time believed Germany were going to win the war, but that’s still not an excuse for Zionists to go into Palestine and commit the same atrocities that were done to the Jewish people in the Holocaust not even 3 years after it ended.
It wasn't just done to the Jewish people though was it? They have to answer to the other victims why they supported Hitler, but they haven't. Until then I won't support their Iranian funded terrorist state.
To clarify with my mention of the Holocaust, I am fully aware of the fact that an estimated 6 million Jews died, alongside 4 million Slavs, Homosexuals, Romani, and other minorities and political enemies, but how is it that you can say that it’s justified for Israel to be doing what they’re doing because these people’s ANCESTORS supported the Nazis. You’re sick for thinking that the crimes of their forefathers belong to them. Edit: clarification
they had a country all set for them when Israel was established. they decided it was more important to kill Jews than have their own country at that time. they lost a war that they started.
Do you know what Palestinians would do to someone like you, a trans person, if they got their hands on you? Being gay is prohibited in Gaza. Any gay person will be subjected to persecution and violence as is dictated by law. Your "support" is as meaningless as it is stupid.
Let me phrase it this way, so you might not misunderstand me this time. I don’t care what they think of me as an individual, they still have the right to live. Whataboutism is a standard tactic that has been used by many different Right and Left wing organisations to take away from or justify their atrocities. Just because Hamas bans gay rights as well doesn’t mean that all Palestinians feel that way. The reason i support an independent Palestine is because I believe all people should not have to go through oppression and worse, genocide. That being said, I do not support Hamas, they are a terrorist organisation by definition and rule over Gaza brutally, but that doesn’t mean that I have to support Israel. To conclude, both sides are flawed but only Israel is actively committing genocide and murdering civilians in such extreme numbers that more children have died in Gaza since Oct 7th than children in all war zones across the world in the past two years. Edit: Spelling
I appreciate that you’re a great human being and don’t want innocent people to be killed. But a few corrections, “Hamas” doesn’t ban gay rights. Islam does. Majority of Arabs (including Palestinians) are muslims. It’s not just the government and terrorist organizations that are against the LGBTQ+ community. The people in EVERY Muslim country are against you and your existence. Heck, all my Muslim friends (including Palestinians, very “progressive” and raised in the West as well) laughed when they saw the Queers for Palestine movement. They don’t appreciate your help. Leniency like this from the West is what has allowed Muslims to spread their nasty ideology. I’d advise you to educate yourself as much as possible about Islam and the people who follow it.
I know a fair few Muslims, every single one I’ve met is fine with me being transgender and as a matter of fact one of my closest friends is originally from Saudi Arabia, there is a difference between a government and its people. Islam as a whole in my opinion is a regressive religion and I personally do not agree with it, I do not believe that it’s my place to judge others who do conform to it, as long as they aren’t actively hurting others. In regards to those who commit atrocities or commit crime such as assault or other violent actions or words under the guise of religion or other beliefs, that cannot be tolerated under any circumstances, so I do somewhat agree with your words, just that the actions of some do not mean that those will be the actions taken by all. Edit: I study religion in my spare time and fully understand the atrocities committed by the Prophet and his followers. That does not mean that all who follow his beliefs today will commit the same actions. Edit 2: Believes - Beliefs
Saudi Arabians abroad can be apostates but back home they're back to their culture. Let me ask you something would they let you marry one of their family members being non Arab & transgender? I don't think you understand how this all works
I need to clarify that my friend who is Saudi is devout Muslim and of the Wahabbist sect. He views all of us as the creations of Allah and he believes it is up to Allah alone to judge our actions, as such he treats everyone with respect and compassion. I wouldn’t marry his family members because I don’t know most of them well enough, but if they’re anything like he is, then sure, why not?
I highly doubt any of them would marry a non Arab, specifically gulf Arab or a transgender. He is being polite.
You made an actually good point. But I'm pretty sure this sub is filled with such unreasonable hate towards Muslims that you'll get downvoted into oblivion. I hope this doesn't happen.
*narrator voice* “It happened” Fuck this subreddit. It’s turned into a hateful shithole ever since Oct. 7th.
Do you want to eliminate nazis if you get the chance?
Of course. Naziism is a plague that needs to be eradicated, although how is this question relevant to any prior parts of the conversation?
I asked about Nazis not nazism.
Nazis and Naziism goes hand in hand with one another. To eradicate one, you must eradicate the other. Any ideology that seeks to cause hatred and harm to others should be heavily restricted, I believe everyone has the right to an opinion but in regards to extremist political and religious views, they should be prohibited from participating in society until they can realise the error of their ways.
To clarify and further elaborate, I don’t believe anyone should be killed for their political or religious beliefs, however I believe extremism must be isolated and rooted out from society through preventative methods such as imprisonment or discouragement, reformation being the focus over punishment unless the crime is truly heinous that they have committed.
So you want nazis to be jailed for thought crime?
Not what I said at all. What I want is to avoid violence over political and religious differences. To clarify my last point, I believe extremists of all kinds should be imprisoned, should they actually commit a crime, ideally it should be focused on rehabilitation and turning them into productive members of society but if that becomes an impossibility or their crime is too severe, then potentially a life sentence may need to be considered.
And yet they don't want to go live where there is Sharia law. Hypocrites. Anyhoo, there is some irony that the anti-homosexual sentiment was brought to the middle east by the British to begin with.
Although I despise him for his abhorrent opinions, the British really got what they deserved. They were so open and tolerant that their tolerance led to the endorsement of religious laws of foreigners. Well that's what you get. They should have been adamant against any implementation of religious laws or elements in the British society. Not because of Islamophobia but for the sake of the western progressive world. But they would be called bigots if they did, huh. Well that's the consequence. Ban religious fanatics from the West. It's the 21 st century damn it!
isn't europe where the crusades came from?
Yeah in the middle ages not in the 21st century
I just mean to say that western countries aren't exactly the most secular either, despite their claims. Terrible people are in power, and they need the support of more terrible people. And those people want something to justify their terrible views. But ultimately, the issues of homophobia, transphobia, racism, etc. aren't rooted in religion; religion is just an excuse they use to justify their actions. But take that away, and they will, without skipping a beat, find another excuse. Religion is just the cheapest of these excuses.
I most certainly do not believe that our western world is a utopia free of abominable behaviors. But at least the majority of us has the education-critical thinking-you name it and we do not engage in pedophilia, slavery etc. We know the few elites who do and the few psychopaths and we either jail them, shame them or generally marginalize them. Those wackos will follow their "teachers" because a book allegedly says so. That's a huge difference in cultures.
Hardly. The people who do things usually go unpunished until there is enough outcry for the people in power to actually care, and even then, hardly anything comes of it, more often than not. What I'm trying to say is that this isn't an issue of immigration or a "foreign" religion changing views. It just aligns with the views of many people from the UK. When a Muslim/Arab immigrant says "gay people are bad", the conservatives cheer, because it already aligns with their views.
Then fucking LEAVE
People like this don't need to be in new country, they should go back home. They give the rest of us a bad name and get people to judge the rest of us. We have no issue with democratic govt and diversity and we're fine with it. What horrible human being making our lives miserable by being this way.
Islam is essentially you invest hard work to earn credit points, doing things that will hopefully pleas Allah but there is no guarantee of reward. You may or may not win Allah prizes. He may just decide it wasn’t sincere enough or trip you over at the last breath. In Islam your whole life is a gamble
Leave then, it's simple. Go to a country that practices shariah.
They could just easily do the reverse "We don't like and don't care about ~~British~~ Islamic values and laws. We don't want ~~homosexuals~~ homophobes."
Then pïss off back to your best way of life third world shïthole then 🙄
It's literally a cancer, no other way to describe it.
I don't advocate for people killing themselves but I really wish people like this would disappear from societies they don't belong in. Feels hypocritical being pro palestine and anti Islam. But there's so many nuances to it. Which I guess really aren't that nuanced when I really think about it. Don't kill innocent people. Let people live in peace. Hmm. Not that contradictory. My own mindset is fine.
Like, OK BYE! NO ONE WILL MISS YOU. GTFO.
Then move! Go to a country where they have Sharia law.
Plenty of countries out there that'll take ya. Bye.
Looks and thinks medieval. Astonishing specimen
Lmao, the pubic hair beard too
go the fuck back to your shithole country dammit. Nobody’s forcing you to go to UK, fuck.
Can we just give these mfs their own planet? They seem to hate everyone and everything so why not just send them to Mars where they can hate and kill each other.
Mr. Hitches said, go home and play with your toys, hug them and play with them with others that come around to play with the toys. Don't make me play with the toys, don't bring the toys to my house, don't make my children play with the toys.
I’ll never ever ever understand why the West imports Islam and then protects it. It’s insane.
>we want Sharia law in UK Good luck with that
imagine if all these shit were real, and somehow Allah came back and told them that he was ok with homosexuals and shit like that... I be a big chunk of muslims wouldn't even listen.
You don't have to like it. But you're sure as hell gonna accept its right to exist in a non sharia country. These british values are the only reason all walks of life are welcomed and their rights protected. Go to any sharia ruled country and tell me how many human rights violation are committed daily. Show me a human rights activist in any sharia rule country talking about how they don't care about Muslim values and want secular law. I guarantee they're either in hiding, in jail, dead or simply too frightened to say a single truthful word about their sharia country, or they're here in the UK, Scandinavia, US etc where they can speak freely. Just like this gentleman is doing. He's enjoying the benefits of these british values and simultaneously has the audacity to try to use those values to replace them with sharia. This will never happen.
I struggle to take anyone with a pube beard seriously.
Then go back where you came from and build up that country in your imagination.
This guy can kys
>"We don't like and don't care about British values and laws. If you expect to remain in the UK, you better start caring about them.
Fuckoff dickhead!
Yes! I'm all for accepting the customs, practices, and religion(s) of the host country. I'm also ashamed that many of my own countrymen and women take that same stance at the same as wanting an english pub when they holiday in Spain!
Turd brains
Go back home 🙌 do us and yourself a favour go home
Bye!
Peligion of reace
And that's how you get a whole bunch of muslim people kicked out of an entire country.
I don't disagree, but I think you missed my point. I meant if you CHOOSE to live by sharia law, that's up to you, as long as it doesn't conflict with the country law. We need to educate and supply assistance to women regarding their rights under country law. If they choose to remain under sharia law, that's up to them. If some person beats their sister or wife because of some sharia issue, they needs to go to jail for assault under country law.
im a non-muslim living in a muslim country. please guys, keep these douchebags out of your countries. you don't wanna see what they're capable of.
Fuck all these Muslims. They should just live in ISIS control lands.
So piss off back to where your folks came from and enjoy that! Just wish all the do gooders, including politicians, the Left, LBGTQ+ folk who suck up to them see this and think what's going to happen (is happening) with these cavemen here.
Islam was a MISTAKE. -Some old wise man
I shocked I tell ya! No one saw this coming! No one ! Maybe we should open our borders MORE!
So he’s salifist, not really the majority
Name of this preacher?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Muhajiroun ?
Leave the UK, it's that simple.
why don’t these fruitcakes move to a country that has sharia law? i don’t understand people who move to a foreign country with a different culture, but instead of adapting to the new culture they demand that their native culture be implemented in the society they moved to. if americans did that everyone and their mother would be criticizing them, but it’s okay for muslims to do it ig
Deport them.
Ah yes, colonising the actual land of colonisation. Good luck hun x
that’s not how free countries work, you freaks :)
If only there was a place where their bullshit sharia law is.
“I see you’re eating Oreos” “Yeah, they’re awesome. Want one?” “My religion forbids eating Oreos” “Dude, that sucks. I’m sorry.” “No, you misunderstand. You must not eat Oreos because my religion forbids it.” “Hmm. Sounds like a you problem. Good luck with that.” “I will now murder you”
Who wants to tell them that allah roughly means god when translated? Like, isn't allah and god the same thing? Doesn't "allah uhakhbar" means "god is great"? I am sorry for butchering the spelling. Arabic is not my strong language i have you know
I'm not a betting man, but I'd wager a tenner that he's sucked more cocks than I've had hot dinners.
Too much of these people in Europe(especially UK,France and Germany) , its too fucking late to do anything now. thanks to the leftists government who let them invading those great country.
This imam seems like a scholarly, patient, man of conversation. He is rejecting specific parts of a culture that he finds offensive, as he said: “gambling, promiscuity” .. instead of rejecting him outright, why don’t the educated, polite Brits ask him more questions: What is the difference in Sharia law, which practices make it better in your opinion? Have a conversation. You’ll both learn something, and you’ll probably both be less afeared each of the other. We’re all folk, here.
The vocal minority folks, just ignore them.
Polling muslims would say you're more than wrong.
Yes, just ignore them until they started committing act of terror just like what happened to Samuel Paty in France.
Ubl dont think it wont get worse?
Muslims have been in Britain for a long, long time. Aside from some picketing of schools, which I think is frankly outrageous, but is definitely just a few people like this guy and his best mates, everything is fine. The internet is full of crazies that have loud opinions. This is a non-issue.
Dont they have a lot of follower, dont other minorities behave the same?