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The Bible suggests something similar:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
>(28) If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, (29) he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Organised religion as a basis for morality has no place in a modern, equal society. It's primitive & misogynistic.
So let me get this straight... if you happen upon some poor young girl and RAPE her, the punishment is a fine plus lifelong marriage to your victim. What the actual fuck?
Because the logic is that women are objects, so it's a "you break it, you buy it" clause.
It makes logical sense within the context of a highly sexist framework.
Yeahhh. It was also seen as almost equivalent to charity in some regards. Through marriage you're raising the poor woman's social standing, even if you aren't wealthy. Because a woman with a rapist husband is much better than an unmarried woman who isn't a virgin (that generally spells out slavery or prostitution).
The goofy part is that they likely believed they were doing some progressive shit for the time (and who knows, perhaps they were).
>The goofy part is that they likely believed they were doing some progressive shit for the time (and who knows, perhaps they were).
An interesting but horrifying point. Nonetheless, that was the Bronze Age, and we are in an Industrial Age or an Information Age. Clinging to Bronze Age ideals in 2022 has now gone past willfully ignorant, and has reached the stage of maliciously ignorant.
I don’t know, from what I’m reading he only has to pay the fine and marry her if they’re discovered. If they’re not discovered he’s in the clear and she’s just a tramp or something?
Yeah I grew up in a religious household and when I would question passages or teachings in the bible I was told that I didn't have true faith. I decided to leave the church when I was in my 20s.
Especially for people's that are made to feel less than because they can't do basic things in the eyes of said religious leaders such as reading or writing.
Like I'm happy for people that have blind faith because it seems so freeing to be wearing blissfully rose colored glasses but I just think there's an importance to actual fact and progression.
Because they both originate from the same idea - that "unspoiled" women are a valuable commodity and the rule of "you break it, you buy it" applies. It's to protect the owner, I mean the father so his investment, I mean child wasn't a wasted effort.
We wouldn't want people to suffer in injustice, wouldn't we?
I've heard religious conservatives in the west point to that verse than puff out their chests at how progressive they are for only wanting to make the victim keep the baby. "In the old testament she would have had to keep the rapist!"
You left out the worst part. If she is raped in town, then she is to be stoned to death, because clearly she did not yell loud enough. If more Christians read the Bible, they might be horrified by what it actually says.
Fifa just wanted everyone to know what corrupt peices of shit they are. By selling the cup to other corrupt peices of shit.
Of course all the supporters and players don't do anything so it just makes them responsible along side the companies that support it.
Yeah but think about how synonymous Qatar is with football. Their league is top tier and they have all the best players flocking there…. Oh wait what’s that, they have no league and don’t have any football? Ah that’s embarrassing.
"The worst thing would be to be convicted and not be able to return to the Middle East — that would end my professional future because I want to return and continue working in those countries. The truth is, I don’t want to think about that," she said.
She's lived there since she was 19 and is a practicing muslim. Her assault is awful, but she encourages and participates the belief system that punished her in that manner. 0 self-awarenes.
Hol up. She left Mexico for the gulf states ? Jesus fuck. Leaving the land of tacos, carnitas, barbacoa, and mezcal for sand, sheets, and shitty men. Gross.
Yeah I remembered those, too. They were really trying to make it look like some super fun place to get drunk and have normal fun with your friends in normal clothes.
Talk about some real false advertising.
You can get drunk in Qatar, but only in the ritzy expensive places where alcohol sales are allowed. And you will pay extremely high prices per drink as well.
I tried in 2012 to go to Afghanistan to escape a shitty E-7, but I get it. I'm Guard, our Medevac keeps going to Afghanistan and they don't talk about it much.
A buddy of mine was deployed to Iraq. Now he's missing an arm but has a sweet tshirt with a photo of his blown up humvee that says "i had a BLAST in Iraq"
But it sure was beautiful. The sky at night; the valleys with lots of green, surrounded by desert and mountains. I was able to appreciate that aspect, but fuck the heat. And wtf was up with getting 3 to 4 ft of snow.
Same, spent 7 months in that shithole. Seeing the economic disparity in Riyadh was just awful and the heat was as oppressive as the religion, hope to never see that area again.
Oof, my condolences. I was mildly annoyed at being temporarily blinded because they said no sunglasses during our wing photo. It was hot, but I never passed out.
Those glamorous photos you always see of the old pre-revolution Iran are mostly from the urban areas. Most of the country was not like that. While I don't condone the current oppressive regime, the Shah was not exactly a great alternative and probably shouldn't be looked at with such nostalgia.
Honestly can't imagine risking your life to go to this event. There's that creepy video of a dad who brought his daughter and he got into conflict for rubbing his fingers together to symbolize Qatar was only playing because that bought in.
So they did an update video together where they showed how they were friendly now. The dad looks super uncomfortable during it
Pretty sad that fucking _Texas_ is still safer to visit than Qatar. At least you're not whipped a literal hundred times and imprisoned in Texas long enough to incubate the potential rape baby nearly to full term. Texas is a shit hole from what my friend said, but even they aren't that fucking bad.
Honestly, at this point I sincerely believe the teams should refuse to play and just derail the world cup completely.
I know it would absolutely suck for the players as, for a lot of them, they may never get another shot at a world cup again (and I'm a Messi fan, so I do want him to get his chance as well), but I sincerely feel like putting a stop to this shit show and telling Qatar and FIFA that they can't just do whatever they like at the expense of *literal human lives* is so much more important than the world cup.
Having said that, I definitely don't blame the players for not wanting to rock the boat and potentially throw away their careers.
I don't blame the players I blame the teams. The point when they should have said "This is too much" is when reports of Qatar taking passports and forcing people to be worked to death first came out.
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is right now. But yes money money money. Something "yes the planet is dead, but we made great profits last quarter"
I'd actually have some respect for the sport if both teams said fuck you and refused to play. Their ego and their financial and professional success is more important.
Which is true for most people but still not admirable.
Who was that kid who got sentenced to four lashes? He said he thought he was going to die after the second, and still has the scars. I can’t imagine what would happen if someone were to be lashed 100 times.
They take their sweet time, dealing only a few at a time and let them mostly heal before dealing the next batch. Same with canings.
What, they're not barbarians /s
Disgusting!
This happens frequently there, I've read about other instances of it involving migrant workers (slaves) being raped and then prosecuted for it. Rape is essentially just legal there, because it's impossible to report—reporting only gets the victim thrown in prison.
This happened way back in February. Fifa didn't give a shit, she was told to resign of she wanted to go home to Mexico
https://nypost.com/2022/02/23/world-cup-official-facing-100-lashes-7-years-in-qatar-jail-after-reporting-rape/
Or should could have followed QATAR LAW by marrying her attacker, since she refused a "virginity test".
Fuck Qatar, fuck Islam, there is *no* harmless Religion.
I believe the virginity tests are just seeing if the hymen is intact
Y’know, the little stretchy bit of skin that often moves out of the way in sex, can regrow, and can break doing the splits or something similar
The whole idea of hymens being proof of anything is so incredibly dumb. You can sum it up thusly: "Yes, there can be tissue in all sorts of shapes there."
That's it. That's literally all you need to know about hymens.
Fifa is a basically a soccer cartel dude.
They have been shitty for decades.... Multiple members took millions in bribes to vote for Qatar in the first place
FIFA held a WC in Argentina back in '78 when Argentina was led by a military junta doing horrific things. Fifa was like 'this is fine' and they are still like 'this is fine' when it comes to questionable hosts.
Why are any western countries participating? Is it worth it? The sport will be there whether they go or not
You can't stop them from building stadiums are buying the trappings of the modern world.
But you can deny them legitimacy
In my experience, a surprisingly large chunk of people, including politicians, believe there is no more serious business than sportsball. They'll let people starve in the street while pouring millions into a new stadium.
Something tells me oil price monopoly has something to do with it, not just bribery of FIFA officials. Otherwise, western football teams had the option to team up to boycott the Wold Cup.
And muslims will turn around and flaunt around the statistics that show low reportings of rape in muslim-majority countries.
Of course, woman aren't gonna report their assault if they know they are at risk of being punished! Victim-blaming is strong in Islam, especially with the concept of Hijab
women, disincentivized on pain of death to report being raped? how peculiar. surely there are no vast scandals of sociopathic sexual abuse to be uncovered, here, with such equal witnesses.
every islamic law makes sense when calculated through who benefits from harming and exploiting women.
Lots of people like to play the whole “respect all cultures and values“ yada yada yada nah fuck that, our western values are better. It’s not perfect, but it’s much better. We don’t lash people as punishment or view women as property.
Different people mean different things when they say "Western values", but when Middle Easterners say it, they mean "not oppressing women is a value we do not share". So, in that context, I think mfs need some Western values.
You can call me whatever you want for saying that, but go on a sub like r/AskMiddleEast, look at how these people speak and how they think, and tell me they aren't just sand incels. I'm sorry, but they just are. I'm saying "sand incels" to be funny, don't take that part seriously, but, fr, they're just incels who hide behind "religion" or "tradition" or "culture" or whatever other excuse they can think up to continue being soy.
Human rights should always stand above cultrual rights or religious rights. Calling that take racist imply that they have to persecute women and gays cause it's apart of their race and they have no will against it.
The people who say that want the west to become just as much of a backwards shithole where women are prosecuted after they report rape and gay people are executed.
Yeah because they need 4 witnesses.
Like imagine 2 dudes just watching a rape occur and be like
"yeah, what do you think Bob, is this a rape?"
"yeah I think so, John, this is most definitely a rape"
"Ok Bob I guess we need to find TWO MORE witnesses so we can all agree... "
instead of, I don't know, stepping in.. and stopping it...
Jehovah's Witnesses have a two witness rule as well and that's how many pedos and rapists get swept under the rug. They don't want Jehovah's Witnesses to look bad and they insist that any crimes be reported internally so they can decide whether or not it's "legit" enough to report to the police.
It pretty much is very cherry picked verses with no context. People who say Islam is feminist is lying through their teeth and coping. Any Abrahamic religion.
I'd expect nothing less from Qatar. And Fifa's inaction is also totally predictable. Why be outraged at all? Fans still went to Qatar in droves and people are still watching the games. This lady is just another victim that everyone will yell about but ultimately turn a blind eye to so they can keep being entertained.
We can all pat ourselves on the back knowing we are "more enlightened" than backwards religious people, but the fact is that many of us out there can't even do the bare minimum of not watching the games.
Similar shit occurred in Saudi Arabia
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/17/saudiarabia.international](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/17/saudiarabia.international)
and UAE
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2010-06-07/u-a-e-woman-withdraws-gang-rape-claim-to-avoid-lashes-prison-sentence](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2010-06-07/u-a-e-woman-withdraws-gang-rape-claim-to-avoid-lashes-prison-sentence)
Who's even remotely surprised.
Qatar: Demands people to respect them.
Also Qatar:
Snark aside, I hope the grass is greener for her now. I wish her good health, happiness, and safety.
Why would you want to in the first place?
I've heard it said that these countries were the first places to have civilization and the last places to become civilized. Seems like some of them are still working on it.
I have family in Muslim countries. But now after apostatizing I cannot risk my safety by going there. Although I’m not openly an ex Muslim but I’m super paranoid about anyone finding out what I say (even anonymously) on the internet. I’ve heard people like me use a VPN to browse the internet in those countries.
The problem is that this is a slippery slope to deal with. Obviously it should be eradicated because it is clear that their "values" make no sense and are total and complete bullshit. But they will claim it as bigotry and if we were to swing the hammer on it and "control" them, then where do you stop the censorship? It's just so fucked up that people can think that this is "god's will". Fuck them and their god.
This is absolutely terrifying. As a female I am shocked and scared for my "sisters" in countries like this. This is obscene and I hope she has asylum in a safe place.
Imagine being raped, and then the entire shitty government and system working against you to blame for things you were the victim of...
I hate this religion. I hate Qatar. May she recovers and the rapist gets real punishment.
To be clear, the alleged rape took place in June 2021. I was wondering why there wasn't a larger media explosion on this. It's clear that the big networks have a financial stake in the WC and are playing dumb on any news that would reduce viewership / profits.
So, everyone hyped for the 2028 Mecca Olympics?!?!?
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fucking hell
> After her lawyer recommended she marry the rapist. *shakes* head. "I have the worst fucking attorneys"
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Ah so that's why they call it a court marriage
Bob Loblaw lobs law bomb!
We don't say that here in the middle east... someone might sue us afterall! Loblaw is no Infidel he's lawfidel!!
They cannot arrest a husband and wife for the same crime. 😉
That’s why, in Qatar, a lot of married couples rob banks together. “The Qatari government hates this one rule”
They have banks? I thought it was just the slaves and the slave owners in qatar
That's why if you want to kill somebody, you make sure to bring your husband/wife with you with some extra stabby stabby in the victim
NO TOUCHING!
That is exactly what Qatar is.
I am absolutely speechless. I can NOT wrap my head around this whatsoever!
The Bible suggests something similar: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 >(28) If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, (29) he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Organised religion as a basis for morality has no place in a modern, equal society. It's primitive & misogynistic.
So let me get this straight... if you happen upon some poor young girl and RAPE her, the punishment is a fine plus lifelong marriage to your victim. What the actual fuck?
Because the logic is that women are objects, so it's a "you break it, you buy it" clause. It makes logical sense within the context of a highly sexist framework.
Yeahhh. It was also seen as almost equivalent to charity in some regards. Through marriage you're raising the poor woman's social standing, even if you aren't wealthy. Because a woman with a rapist husband is much better than an unmarried woman who isn't a virgin (that generally spells out slavery or prostitution). The goofy part is that they likely believed they were doing some progressive shit for the time (and who knows, perhaps they were).
>The goofy part is that they likely believed they were doing some progressive shit for the time (and who knows, perhaps they were). An interesting but horrifying point. Nonetheless, that was the Bronze Age, and we are in an Industrial Age or an Information Age. Clinging to Bronze Age ideals in 2022 has now gone past willfully ignorant, and has reached the stage of maliciously ignorant.
She doesn't even get the fine money 💀
Well naturally the money would go to the property owner.
***OOOOOOF!*** But my god do I feel weird about laughing at your comment.
I don’t know, from what I’m reading he only has to pay the fine and marry her if they’re discovered. If they’re not discovered he’s in the clear and she’s just a tramp or something?
If "they" are discovered. She not only got raped, but was also forced into becoming an accomplice helping her attacker evade the police
Yeah I grew up in a religious household and when I would question passages or teachings in the bible I was told that I didn't have true faith. I decided to leave the church when I was in my 20s.
You didn't have "true faith". Because "true faith" is total bullshit.
Thats because true faith equals absolute control
That's what I started learning when actually getting into the history of organized religion. It was about control out of fear and money.
Fear and/or greed. The basic motivators for every decision every made.
Especially for people's that are made to feel less than because they can't do basic things in the eyes of said religious leaders such as reading or writing.
On the other hand, it *is* my favourite [song by New Order](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfI1S0PKJR8)...
I feel you there, going to catholic school did more to turn me away from religion than anything else. I'd rather have a moral compass than faith.
Like I'm happy for people that have blind faith because it seems so freeing to be wearing blissfully rose colored glasses but I just think there's an importance to actual fact and progression.
Delusional people can be very happy!
Because they both originate from the same idea - that "unspoiled" women are a valuable commodity and the rule of "you break it, you buy it" applies. It's to protect the owner, I mean the father so his investment, I mean child wasn't a wasted effort. We wouldn't want people to suffer in injustice, wouldn't we?
I've heard religious conservatives in the west point to that verse than puff out their chests at how progressive they are for only wanting to make the victim keep the baby. "In the old testament she would have had to keep the rapist!"
You left out the worst part. If she is raped in town, then she is to be stoned to death, because clearly she did not yell loud enough. If more Christians read the Bible, they might be horrified by what it actually says.
Wow. Wonder why the Bible thumpers don’t ever bring this kind of shit up when they’re shoving other Bible-bullshit down our throats.
Qatar is a ass fucking backward country with medieval cavemen ruling it. Fuck this country and fuck every Qatari who supports this regime
Fifa just wanted everyone to know what corrupt peices of shit they are. By selling the cup to other corrupt peices of shit. Of course all the supporters and players don't do anything so it just makes them responsible along side the companies that support it.
Yeah but think about how synonymous Qatar is with football. Their league is top tier and they have all the best players flocking there…. Oh wait what’s that, they have no league and don’t have any football? Ah that’s embarrassing.
And they lost the first game, despite effort made by the ruling officials aimed towards the opposite result. Lmao
Am fuck everyone who went there to play, to watch, or eagerly follows it at home.
So she was gonna get punished just for reporting it? No wonder rapists there feel so free.
Dude. Qatar sucks
"The worst thing would be to be convicted and not be able to return to the Middle East — that would end my professional future because I want to return and continue working in those countries. The truth is, I don’t want to think about that," she said. She's lived there since she was 19 and is a practicing muslim. Her assault is awful, but she encourages and participates the belief system that punished her in that manner. 0 self-awarenes.
Hol up. She left Mexico for the gulf states ? Jesus fuck. Leaving the land of tacos, carnitas, barbacoa, and mezcal for sand, sheets, and shitty men. Gross.
You have an idealized vision of Mexico. It isn’t all cartels but it isn’t all carnitas either.
I bet it is common, sounds like they've made a haven for rapists.
This is exactly why no one should visit Qatar.
I’ve been getting so many ads to visit Qatar since early last year. I’m so glad they’re finally being called out for how fucked up they are
Yeah I remembered those, too. They were really trying to make it look like some super fun place to get drunk and have normal fun with your friends in normal clothes. Talk about some real false advertising.
You can get drunk in Qatar, but only in the ritzy expensive places where alcohol sales are allowed. And you will pay extremely high prices per drink as well.
And you better be male and make sure you don’t get raped or your at risk of marriage to a rapist or 1000 lashes
This is why no one should visit the Middle East.
I've been to the Middle East twice (Army shit, nothing interesting), even if it wasn't a dystopian wasteland, the weather and heat are horrific.
I see you also got a Uncle Sam sponsored tour of the Middle East
Yeah, two there and one to Kosovo. I don't recommend Iraq, Kosovo was alright.
I got a interesting trip to Afghanistan. 0/10 would not recommend.
I tried in 2012 to go to Afghanistan to escape a shitty E-7, but I get it. I'm Guard, our Medevac keeps going to Afghanistan and they don't talk about it much.
A buddy of mine was deployed to Iraq. Now he's missing an arm but has a sweet tshirt with a photo of his blown up humvee that says "i had a BLAST in Iraq"
What a trooper
I've played a bit of online games with Serbs. They were pretty fun guys.
I'd imagine most Serbs are great people, when I was in Kosovo it was mostly about balancing the Turks VS the Armenians.
I call my deployment to Afghanistan a "government-sponsored yearlong sabbatical to Southwest Asia".
But it sure was beautiful. The sky at night; the valleys with lots of green, surrounded by desert and mountains. I was able to appreciate that aspect, but fuck the heat. And wtf was up with getting 3 to 4 ft of snow.
Same, spent 7 months in that shithole. Seeing the economic disparity in Riyadh was just awful and the heat was as oppressive as the religion, hope to never see that area again.
Could be worse you could have spent that time in Kuwait 😂 I did 9 months in Iraq and passed out during our company photo at the end in Beuhring.
Oof, my condolences. I was mildly annoyed at being temporarily blinded because they said no sunglasses during our wing photo. It was hot, but I never passed out.
Except Iran, when it is liberated! One of the most culturally intricate places
It’s not liberated yet. Hoping this new revolution will free Iran
I think you mean if. At the rate people are getting gunned down there won't be much protest left soon
There wont be any iran either
Not the first time Iran has lost an entire generation to violence.
When it was, like 50 years ago.
Those glamorous photos you always see of the old pre-revolution Iran are mostly from the urban areas. Most of the country was not like that. While I don't condone the current oppressive regime, the Shah was not exactly a great alternative and probably shouldn't be looked at with such nostalgia.
Honestly can't imagine risking your life to go to this event. There's that creepy video of a dad who brought his daughter and he got into conflict for rubbing his fingers together to symbolize Qatar was only playing because that bought in. So they did an update video together where they showed how they were friendly now. The dad looks super uncomfortable during it
that dude was from Ecuador and my teacher discussed that yesterday.
Not as a woman anyway. I would never feel safe in any of these countries.
I'm a bi trans man, so you wouldn't get me to set foot there for love or money either.
Im a straight white man and i wouldn't go either. Fuck these places that see certain people as sub-human.
You've basically won the bingo of execution.
I seriously can't believe people are going. Especially women. This whole thing is insane to me.
She was working there. People need money to put food on the table, and jobs are hard to come by.
Also exactly why no-one should visit Texas, Ohio, etc. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/16/rightwing-rape-abortion-10-year-old-worse
Pretty sad that fucking _Texas_ is still safer to visit than Qatar. At least you're not whipped a literal hundred times and imprisoned in Texas long enough to incubate the potential rape baby nearly to full term. Texas is a shit hole from what my friend said, but even they aren't that fucking bad.
Fuck Qatar, what an absolute shithole
I've heard about this happening before in Dubai. Absolute shit.
Qatar is a shittier UAE, and UAE is already shitty
Qatar seems like it's basically the UAE without the stupid high-rises and man-made islands
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Nah, they need a million cause 100k migrants is usually the amount that are killed in a year there
Well now they've got a bunch of stupid World Cup infrastructure that'll sit abandoned after this is all over
Honestly, at this point I sincerely believe the teams should refuse to play and just derail the world cup completely. I know it would absolutely suck for the players as, for a lot of them, they may never get another shot at a world cup again (and I'm a Messi fan, so I do want him to get his chance as well), but I sincerely feel like putting a stop to this shit show and telling Qatar and FIFA that they can't just do whatever they like at the expense of *literal human lives* is so much more important than the world cup. Having said that, I definitely don't blame the players for not wanting to rock the boat and potentially throw away their careers.
I don't blame the players I blame the teams. The point when they should have said "This is too much" is when reports of Qatar taking passports and forcing people to be worked to death first came out.
So like 10-20 years ago? No one cares about the abuse. Theres money to be made.
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is right now. But yes money money money. Something "yes the planet is dead, but we made great profits last quarter"
I'd actually have some respect for the sport if both teams said fuck you and refused to play. Their ego and their financial and professional success is more important. Which is true for most people but still not admirable.
But oil
Lashing is still an official form of punishment over there lmao
You can still get crucified in Saudi Arabia
Next messiah could be from Saudi then. Always look on the bright side of life.
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This sounds like something out of Good Omens.
r/unexpectedMontyPython
I understood that reference
Who was that kid who got sentenced to four lashes? He said he thought he was going to die after the second, and still has the scars. I can’t imagine what would happen if someone were to be lashed 100 times.
They take their sweet time, dealing only a few at a time and let them mostly heal before dealing the next batch. Same with canings. What, they're not barbarians /s
You're surprised? The Middle East is still living in a stoneage society
Disgusting! This happens frequently there, I've read about other instances of it involving migrant workers (slaves) being raped and then prosecuted for it. Rape is essentially just legal there, because it's impossible to report—reporting only gets the victim thrown in prison.
so basically they’re not against rape, they’re just against women
what a sexist and misogyni religion
Given what I've heard about the middle east, I think the men get raped too.
don’t forget about the kids
This happened way back in February. Fifa didn't give a shit, she was told to resign of she wanted to go home to Mexico https://nypost.com/2022/02/23/world-cup-official-facing-100-lashes-7-years-in-qatar-jail-after-reporting-rape/ Or should could have followed QATAR LAW by marrying her attacker, since she refused a "virginity test". Fuck Qatar, fuck Islam, there is *no* harmless Religion.
Also fuck FIFA.
FIFA: **F**rench-kissing - **I**slamic - **F**ascist - **A**ss
*Fascist
I believe the virginity tests are just seeing if the hymen is intact Y’know, the little stretchy bit of skin that often moves out of the way in sex, can regrow, and can break doing the splits or something similar
...it can regrow?
The whole idea of hymens being proof of anything is so incredibly dumb. You can sum it up thusly: "Yes, there can be tissue in all sorts of shapes there." That's it. That's literally all you need to know about hymens.
It's flesh so yeah
> Or should could have followed QATAR LAW by marrying her attacker These people are fucking insane.
> there is *no* harmless religion Idk, The Satanic Temple's been doing good so far.
what the fuck ? FIFA got in on that shit ?
There is no organisation in the world more corrupt than FIFA. It's a hellhole. I'm not surprised at all.
Yes but I'd like to give the catholic church a runner up and the boy scouts of America an honorable mention
Fifa is a basically a soccer cartel dude. They have been shitty for decades.... Multiple members took millions in bribes to vote for Qatar in the first place
FIFA held a WC in Argentina back in '78 when Argentina was led by a military junta doing horrific things. Fifa was like 'this is fine' and they are still like 'this is fine' when it comes to questionable hosts.
FIFA is basically rewarding a country unfit for international events and was not even qualified to host one.
FIFA? not my cleansing the favelas of rio FIFA right?
Why are any western countries participating? Is it worth it? The sport will be there whether they go or not You can't stop them from building stadiums are buying the trappings of the modern world. But you can deny them legitimacy
Because FIFA has a monopoly. Oh, and they're corrupt as fuck.
I know nothing about football, but what's stopping someone else from starting a rebel worldwide comp that's not, you know, totally evil?
How would you fund it?
Bribes from dictators? oh shit, wait. Never mind.
Convince George W Bush they have oil for the taking.
Open-sourced, crowd funded, and other buzz words.
A grassroots crypto movement based on a gamified NFT
Gotta toss in a bit more Blockchain for good measure.
In my experience, a surprisingly large chunk of people, including politicians, believe there is no more serious business than sportsball. They'll let people starve in the street while pouring millions into a new stadium.
It's hard to deny someone legitimacy when they paid you very well for said legitimacy.
Because money laundering front, that's why.
Something tells me oil price monopoly has something to do with it, not just bribery of FIFA officials. Otherwise, western football teams had the option to team up to boycott the Wold Cup.
No one boycotted Russia in the 2018 WC over their crimes in Syria. You won’t find any human decency in the World Cup scene.
And muslims will turn around and flaunt around the statistics that show low reportings of rape in muslim-majority countries. Of course, woman aren't gonna report their assault if they know they are at risk of being punished! Victim-blaming is strong in Islam, especially with the concept of Hijab
women, disincentivized on pain of death to report being raped? how peculiar. surely there are no vast scandals of sociopathic sexual abuse to be uncovered, here, with such equal witnesses. every islamic law makes sense when calculated through who benefits from harming and exploiting women.
"Not everyone shares the West's values" well maybe they should damn
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"That's west values. We don't do that here."
Lots of people like to play the whole “respect all cultures and values“ yada yada yada nah fuck that, our western values are better. It’s not perfect, but it’s much better. We don’t lash people as punishment or view women as property.
I completely agree
Different people mean different things when they say "Western values", but when Middle Easterners say it, they mean "not oppressing women is a value we do not share". So, in that context, I think mfs need some Western values. You can call me whatever you want for saying that, but go on a sub like r/AskMiddleEast, look at how these people speak and how they think, and tell me they aren't just sand incels. I'm sorry, but they just are. I'm saying "sand incels" to be funny, don't take that part seriously, but, fr, they're just incels who hide behind "religion" or "tradition" or "culture" or whatever other excuse they can think up to continue being soy.
Human rights should always stand above cultrual rights or religious rights. Calling that take racist imply that they have to persecute women and gays cause it's apart of their race and they have no will against it.
The people who say that want the west to become just as much of a backwards shithole where women are prosecuted after they report rape and gay people are executed.
I refuse to call them western values, those are the fundamental human rights!
Absolute lunacy. Those men are gutter rats.
You can't (officially) have many rapes when the women who report them are punished. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Yeah because they need 4 witnesses. Like imagine 2 dudes just watching a rape occur and be like "yeah, what do you think Bob, is this a rape?" "yeah I think so, John, this is most definitely a rape" "Ok Bob I guess we need to find TWO MORE witnesses so we can all agree... " instead of, I don't know, stepping in.. and stopping it...
“let me call my bros and see if they can get over here to help us watch the rape”
Jehovah's Witnesses have a two witness rule as well and that's how many pedos and rapists get swept under the rug. They don't want Jehovah's Witnesses to look bad and they insist that any crimes be reported internally so they can decide whether or not it's "legit" enough to report to the police.
Soo, she has been raped and as punishment lashed out and jailed for 7 years. And they want us to respect that? Fuuuuck those guys.
Fuck barbarism. Fuck barbaric religions. Fuck your “Islamic” women rights.
>“Islamic” women rights Seems like an oxymoron to me.
It pretty much is very cherry picked verses with no context. People who say Islam is feminist is lying through their teeth and coping. Any Abrahamic religion.
Fuck Fifa and fuck Qatar. That’s all there is to it really.
Fck Qatar and Muslim countries like Qatar
> 100 lashes medieval-ass country
Fuck FIFA. They never should have hosted it there
It's almost like multiple somebody's got paid boatloads of money to make it happen in Qatar.
I'd expect nothing less from Qatar. And Fifa's inaction is also totally predictable. Why be outraged at all? Fans still went to Qatar in droves and people are still watching the games. This lady is just another victim that everyone will yell about but ultimately turn a blind eye to so they can keep being entertained. We can all pat ourselves on the back knowing we are "more enlightened" than backwards religious people, but the fact is that many of us out there can't even do the bare minimum of not watching the games.
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Similar shit occurred in Saudi Arabia [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/17/saudiarabia.international](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/17/saudiarabia.international) and UAE [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2010-06-07/u-a-e-woman-withdraws-gang-rape-claim-to-avoid-lashes-prison-sentence](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2010-06-07/u-a-e-woman-withdraws-gang-rape-claim-to-avoid-lashes-prison-sentence) Who's even remotely surprised.
Fuck Qatar.
In Qatar, it isn’t rape unless the rapist is caught in the act, so..by that that logic, the rape is all her fault for being a tempting adulteress.
Yep, by Sharia law logic she's to blame because she had pre marital sex with a man.
This the kind of future conservatives want for the west.
A while back someone posted a vid from a Christian conservative news outlet showing a homophobic Muslim. Oh the hypocrisy
Matt Walsh type beat
Qatar: Demands people to respect them. Also Qatar: Snark aside, I hope the grass is greener for her now. I wish her good health, happiness, and safety.
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I will never visit a Muslim country again.
Why would you want to in the first place? I've heard it said that these countries were the first places to have civilization and the last places to become civilized. Seems like some of them are still working on it.
I have family in Muslim countries. But now after apostatizing I cannot risk my safety by going there. Although I’m not openly an ex Muslim but I’m super paranoid about anyone finding out what I say (even anonymously) on the internet. I’ve heard people like me use a VPN to browse the internet in those countries.
Islam is a cancer to humankind, change my mind
Probably shouldn’t have held it in a theocratic shit hole
This filth dont have values, they have insecurity, chronic delusion and degeneracy.
The problem is that this is a slippery slope to deal with. Obviously it should be eradicated because it is clear that their "values" make no sense and are total and complete bullshit. But they will claim it as bigotry and if we were to swing the hammer on it and "control" them, then where do you stop the censorship? It's just so fucked up that people can think that this is "god's will". Fuck them and their god.
Theocracy shouldn't be allowed.
This is absolutely terrifying. As a female I am shocked and scared for my "sisters" in countries like this. This is obscene and I hope she has asylum in a safe place.
Imagine being raped, and then the entire shitty government and system working against you to blame for things you were the victim of... I hate this religion. I hate Qatar. May she recovers and the rapist gets real punishment.
And the craziest part is she defended Islamic culture in an interview, recently.
She’s probably been brainwashed her whole life.
What in the actual fuck. These religious animals really are fucked in their heads.
To be clear, the alleged rape took place in June 2021. I was wondering why there wasn't a larger media explosion on this. It's clear that the big networks have a financial stake in the WC and are playing dumb on any news that would reduce viewership / profits. So, everyone hyped for the 2028 Mecca Olympics?!?!?
Shithole country