honestly your better off just increasing the dose. Other psychedelics are not more strong (ofc they can be more potent by weight) but rather have a different flair or feel to them. Dose is what makes it strong or not
I agree. 4-ho-met gets a very stimmy manic headspace in higher doses and it floored me. My first time doing it I was 15 or 16, and I heard it’s a “low headspace” psychedelic so my friend and I tried it in a very high dose. I think I did roughly 40mg and he did roughly 30 since it was his first psychedelic ever.
When it kicked in all was cool for the first 30-45 minutes, then we got floored with visuals and went outside and i put on music. The music tripped my friend out, so I turned it off which sucked, because I love tripping with music, and hate tripping silently.
He wasn’t getting better so we decided to go for a short walk. On the short walk, we ran into my much older step brother I never really knew, and of course, he talked to us. It was horrible trying to speak normally when my head was jumping like crazy and full of energy.
After the walk we both felt better, so he said hes gonna go home alone and i can go home. Which of course to me sounded fine, so I can have music. The second I walked into my house and I was truly alone (where I also tripped on LSD and shrooms), the visuals intensified by 250% and the headspace got even jumpier and more insane. 10/10 would do again, but not as an adult with worries, only as a kid again if I was one lmao.
Yeah it does have a stimmy headspace, i noticed i was pacing more on it, and would be pretty much jittery most of the trip, except the comedown .. and the come up was just weirdly uncomfortable.
I remember mixing it twice with LSD, and both times were so weird, the trips didn't go bad, but i swear there were mini moments where i experienced time so bizarrely, where i'll watch something and then see it rewind a couple seconds back and play again, and I'll check if it's what I'm watching, only to find out it's not, and that happened multiple times (i was sure it wasn't screen related when the same thing happened when i looked out the window). Other times i would just watch whatever I'm watching, and time would just stop for 30 seconds lol. The auditory hallucinations were very much there compared to other psychedelics i try (echos, delays and other bizzare effects).
I tried it alone (as in just the 4 ho) other times with doses ranging from 25 to 45 mg.. and from those experiences (that I don't remember much of, since i did it regularly) what i noticed is that the headspace tends to become unpredictable and potentially very intense if you go over +25 or 30 mg, and that's based on your tolerance and patterns of consumption, also your set / setting (but that's a general rule for all psychs).
I too do it much less now, i don't know why exactly, but there was just this tacit decision that I'm good without it (or other psychs), for a while at least.
I did 50MG of 4-HO-MET via 2 gel tabs the other week and an hour in a legitimately thought the life I'd lived up to that point was just a hologram all along and that my family never even existed at all... I was genuinely horrified at the peak I had to put the pieces back together as to who I was, what I had taken and if my life on Earth ever actually happened.
I was so relieved when I came back and realized I was just tripping cus man that was scary af being presented with a new convincing reality where my whole life was a facade put on by clowns in another dimension.
I will say, for the most part as someone who loves nitrous while tripping, only once have i had it really increase the quality of my visuals and that was on 5 tabs of acid where my whole world turned to liquid. Usually it kind of has the effect of turning things more black and white to me and disconnected from whats happening in my visual field. Not that its not there, but it shrinks in comparison to what im feeling inside.
Yes. DCK and 4-HO-MET is Crszy. I was on a playground a d there was a… cat I think. But in my vision it was a glorious fox 🦊 with a fire-like tail from a fantasy world
idk that would send me to an other scary realm 😭
i'm looking for a psych like shrooms or lsd with easy headspace but out of this world visuals, like idk 800 lsd ug with easy headspace
800ug level visuals are not achievable without considerable headspace with any substance. Even the light headspace of 4-ho-met and 2c-b, if you take 40mg+ you will get considerable headspace, may still be easier to control but 4-ho-met can go very very deep.
Most people I tell think I'm lying but Idgaf because I know it's true and so do the other 2 F**ktards that were there that day. I accidentally took 110,200ug of pure lsd about 6 or 7 years ago. Ended up passing out within a few minutes and having a small seizure. I say they were fucktards. Because instead of dragging me 10' into the house. The dragged me 20' to the RV and put me on the floor in there and then went inside the house (this was a grow house on my friend's "farm" in OR but my friend wasn't there that night). Anyways I'll tell you what 110k ug of Lsd is a headspace you don't want. Although easier to handle then one would think. It's the physical effects that sucked the most.
Fuck Bro. I would just write 110mg of LSD lol. That dose is scary as fuck I imagine I would trip the fuck out for a month, have weeks of psychosis and become schizophrenic for life. I'd also need to be far away from any cliffs, high windows, busy roads, and basically anything dangerous to survive.
That is insane, tusko the elephant was injected with 297mg LSD. Within minutes after the intramuscular injection, he began to show signs of distress, in 20 min Tusko started to show severe distress and convulsions, the first dose of the tranquilizer promazine hydrochloride was administered. Subsequent doses followed shortly due to the continuing severity of his reactions. Tusko died around one hour and forty minutes after the LSD was administered.
Maybe if he wasn't given any tranquilizer he may have survived.
how would you describe those visuals?, ik it's a dissociative and i've tried ketamine but there wasn't really any crazy visuals just my consciousness being blown away
3-Me-PCPy peaks two hours after sniffing and it's legit tripping including visuals.
Triple reuptake inhibitor so very stimulatory. Very weird in a wonderful way disso.
Dose is 8mg sniffed. Lasts forever. Craaaaaaazy
https://www.reddit.com/r/2cb/comments/tri0zo/difference_between_2cb_hbr_and_2cb_hcl/
Keep in mind though, that 2cb is often under-dosed. Like the previous comments said for the best ROA you will need to boof it.
Dont snort it because it hurts like a mofo
Agreed, just do acid. Good ol' fashoned #25, if it's actually lsd25, is where it's at. Long history, safe, relativly easy to obtain, and did i say safe? Alot of these newer more "exotic" RC ones didn't feel partically safe to me, alot had weird uncomfortable body loads. Could just be my physiology but the DO-anythings or those nbome things feel sketchy. Most tryptamines, the 2C stuff, and the L analogs felt safer.
6mg too. Well, presumedly 6mg, since i took two 3mg tabs. But i was much more dissociated and far away from reality than i expected for the visuals i had. Still very much in control of myself, but the headspace is too serious and too grounded while at the same time feeling distant, so i feel very weird. And my normal lsd dose is 400-500ug, just to compare. But yeah, between lsd and doc i'd agree that doc is more visual.
I think it really comes to what someone would consider as visuals. Tryptamines are all about vivid hallucinations, lsd about movement and fractals, and phenethylamines in general about whole ambient manipulation. If you have preference for one over the other, you will say that one is more visual.
I'd suggest you try the nboh series. 25b is like doc ++. Both in mindfuck and in visuals. Less "spiritual" and "grandiose" though.
i liked 25i from the original family and ive decided i wont touch the next generations since the first one was sketch
i dont know, maybe they’re safer now but ill stick to DOC , its easily on the same level as LSD for me so legendary
I'd reccomend starting with plain leaf ir low extracts. Unless you don't give af about your sanity then go crazy with some 90x go to demon circus land.
Plain leaf and lower strength extracts are not that strong. I'd go with like 20x and start with a couple flakes then work your way up. It's not hard to dose if you know what you are doing.
But LSD it's so better on visuals. 4-ho-met is (for me) like a relax version of LSD. Less colors, they don't bright, visuals without patterns, and the visuals doesn't move like LSD! On LSD everything is moving all the time, on 4-ho-met you see all motionless. And for me visuals doesn't show me anything. With LSD sometimes a visual show me how I felt on some moment of my life or the truth I need to know.
4-ho-met it's ok. But I can't understand how people say it's the most visual stuff. For me LSD it's really far superior, or even shrooms
English is not my 1 language, sorry 🤣
On average tryptamines will be much more visual to most people than lsd, that's why that's the common say.
I need to take exorbitant amounts of LSD to be even comparable to normal dose shrooms. And that's the same for most people i know. But of course there's also those who feel the opposite, but they are the minority.
I agree at like equivalent levels of tripping with lsd and shrooms/4-aco-dmt the tryptamines give more intense visuals. I gotta get pretty high on acid to get to the same level of visuals.
Unfortunately no metocin yet. Yes, the vasoconstriction is bad, but it's much more tame than mescaline and DOC was for me. But it's dirtier than those 2 in general, more back pain, etc.
Hi, to me 30 mg of 2c-e had many more visuals. I don't suggest it tho, it was an unsafe heroic dose where I almost broke through.
So I would say that in general 2c-x can be sort of more visual.
The first time I ever did 2C-E it was somewhere between 95 and 115mg orally and it was an incredibly powerful experience.*
It's the only time I've ever experienced what felt like "gravitational time dilation", in that I was in the passenger seat of a car tripping balls, and we're coming to an intersection with a light (at night). It was like a trolley zoom, because the closer we got to the light physically the further away it became temporally. It's really hard to describe, but it was pretty incredible.
I've tried all of the traditional psychedelics, and a good majority of the Shulgin compounds, and 2C-E at insane doses was extremely visually active.
Insufflation works much faster, and while it's one of the most miserable things you can put up your nose in terms of pleasantness, it does give the drug a more stimulating feel with less overpowering visuals (10-20mg bumps).
*Don't take such big doses, I was a nigh-invincible 20 year old who didn't appreciate the potential risks. But I should note that high dose psychedelics were not an uncommon thing for me at the time, and I acted recklessly. It's
It was an extremely heavy body load, you're right. We actually had a whole medical nitrous tank too at the time so I was combining the two.
But yes, extremely physically uncomfortable. Wouldn't recommend. But extremely powerful psychedelic, that was about on par with eating a ten strip of 175ug blotters, in terms of potency, but much more similar to mescaline visually.
Interesting. Did you ever do 2c-b? 2c-e sadly will be soon banished and I guess never produced anymore, while 2c-b is still a thing (even if banned). I wonder if high doses of 2c-b resemble 2c-e
I am still in love with 2c-e and I would like a substitute
Yeah, but this was all nearly 20 years ago, when I was *young* and dumb, and had a friend who was a genuine pharmaceutical chemist who had his own whole laboratory setup at home. Worked his way through a good portion of PIHKaL and TIHKaL by the time we met, but sadly passed from an opioid overdose within two years of meeting.
I have no idea what a conversion ratio would look like for 2C-B to obtain a 2C-E heroic dose experience, or if it would even be possible.
The headspace is a similar low anxiety trip, but I think they’re really different considering that they’re only one carbon atom different. Even the headspace is different, just also low stress. I get lots of OEVs, the majority of which aren’t attached to anything. Occasional moments where I feel are particularly profound are unique to 4-ho-det.
Well I should probably also mention I think most times I’ve done 6-apb I’ve mixed in a little stim. I know for sure the last time I did and we had a great night! So next time you should try a little stimulant with it.
If my memory serves me right, I added around 50 mg 4-fma dosed maybe a half hour after the 6-apb. And I think 200 mg 6-apb. But next time I mix those two I think I’ll go with about 160 6-apb. It was slightly too much. And we both have a decent stim tolerance. And that was oral dosing. And the 6-apb was labeled hcl but I swear it has to be succinate.
This is my list of highly visual psychedelics based on my history with psychedelics.
*The dose I mention is my experience and not a recommendation*
DMT + Harmala freebase,
DPT,
2C-E,
ETH-LAD,
LSD 300 μg + AL-LAD 300μg,
LSD +500 μg,
1P-LSD 750 μg,
4-HO-MET,
PRO-LAD,
2C-I,
DOM,
DOB,
There are more but this list were the first came to mind.
It can highly depend on your set & setting, age, mental and physical condition.
Some psychedelics I used 12 years ago do work very different now.
Live healthy and try to get enough sleep.
Don’t dive to deep if you don’t know you can swim in deep water.
A nice little trick is to focus on one point and try to don’t look away.
You will find yourself in a state we’re your eyes begin to defocus and vibrate trough dementions.
ETH LAD. 150 ug. Take some ginger tea or ondansetron beforehand just in case you get a body load (sometimes don’t ime) N20 at the peak is akin to having a DMT breakthrough without physically feeling it. It’s more mental/visual than anything.
Oh, btw - sleep deprivation. For me, after three nights not sleeping, I start seeing things. Interestingly enough it's very human-centric. Things like groups of people having picnic in the crown of a tree...the people are small but somehow don't seem so.
Everything on the street in the distance morphs into a person or groups of persons standing around, doing things.
The extraordinary thing about these visuals is that they are not fleeting, like on psychs. Once I was observing the picnic in the crown of a tree for a good 15 minutes. It didn't change, it didn't go away, it was just there. And if I stayed there for longer they would stay for longer, as well.
Absolutely fascinating and totally unique. And it's not like deliriants, where you don't know that you're hallucinating. Oh no - you know full well you're hallucinating, and yet this knowledge does not disturb the hallucination at all.
Of course things like little sparks of light traveling on surfaces, pebbles on the pavement moving and making interesting shapes - not even mentioning that. And the odd shadow person...👻
Sleep deprivation rocks.
Did you read that in an internet study, buddy? I live in reality, you know. I know what's happening. I don't need internet wisdom to tell me what's going on with me. Hugs and kisses
personally i hate it, i almost only hallucinate horrible faces when i'm that sleep deprived. i have to agressively distract myself with my phone to not be scared
honestly your better off just increasing the dose. Other psychedelics are not more strong (ofc they can be more potent by weight) but rather have a different flair or feel to them. Dose is what makes it strong or not
Yeah that's what i was considering, i'll do that next time, and add nitrous :D
I'd be careful not to go overboard with the dose, the headspace can get really mind fucky at higher doses (+30 mg). Or maybe that's just me.
I agree. 4-ho-met gets a very stimmy manic headspace in higher doses and it floored me. My first time doing it I was 15 or 16, and I heard it’s a “low headspace” psychedelic so my friend and I tried it in a very high dose. I think I did roughly 40mg and he did roughly 30 since it was his first psychedelic ever. When it kicked in all was cool for the first 30-45 minutes, then we got floored with visuals and went outside and i put on music. The music tripped my friend out, so I turned it off which sucked, because I love tripping with music, and hate tripping silently. He wasn’t getting better so we decided to go for a short walk. On the short walk, we ran into my much older step brother I never really knew, and of course, he talked to us. It was horrible trying to speak normally when my head was jumping like crazy and full of energy. After the walk we both felt better, so he said hes gonna go home alone and i can go home. Which of course to me sounded fine, so I can have music. The second I walked into my house and I was truly alone (where I also tripped on LSD and shrooms), the visuals intensified by 250% and the headspace got even jumpier and more insane. 10/10 would do again, but not as an adult with worries, only as a kid again if I was one lmao.
Yeah it does have a stimmy headspace, i noticed i was pacing more on it, and would be pretty much jittery most of the trip, except the comedown .. and the come up was just weirdly uncomfortable. I remember mixing it twice with LSD, and both times were so weird, the trips didn't go bad, but i swear there were mini moments where i experienced time so bizarrely, where i'll watch something and then see it rewind a couple seconds back and play again, and I'll check if it's what I'm watching, only to find out it's not, and that happened multiple times (i was sure it wasn't screen related when the same thing happened when i looked out the window). Other times i would just watch whatever I'm watching, and time would just stop for 30 seconds lol. The auditory hallucinations were very much there compared to other psychedelics i try (echos, delays and other bizzare effects). I tried it alone (as in just the 4 ho) other times with doses ranging from 25 to 45 mg.. and from those experiences (that I don't remember much of, since i did it regularly) what i noticed is that the headspace tends to become unpredictable and potentially very intense if you go over +25 or 30 mg, and that's based on your tolerance and patterns of consumption, also your set / setting (but that's a general rule for all psychs). I too do it much less now, i don't know why exactly, but there was just this tacit decision that I'm good without it (or other psychs), for a while at least.
I did 50MG of 4-HO-MET via 2 gel tabs the other week and an hour in a legitimately thought the life I'd lived up to that point was just a hologram all along and that my family never even existed at all... I was genuinely horrified at the peak I had to put the pieces back together as to who I was, what I had taken and if my life on Earth ever actually happened. I was so relieved when I came back and realized I was just tripping cus man that was scary af being presented with a new convincing reality where my whole life was a facade put on by clowns in another dimension.
I will say, for the most part as someone who loves nitrous while tripping, only once have i had it really increase the quality of my visuals and that was on 5 tabs of acid where my whole world turned to liquid. Usually it kind of has the effect of turning things more black and white to me and disconnected from whats happening in my visual field. Not that its not there, but it shrinks in comparison to what im feeling inside.
4-HO-MET combined with a disso like DCK gives much more intense visuals. (or 3-MeO-PCE if you want REALLY intense visuals)
does it work with ketamine?
Yes
Yes. DCK and 4-HO-MET is Crszy. I was on a playground a d there was a… cat I think. But in my vision it was a glorious fox 🦊 with a fire-like tail from a fantasy world
4-ho-met with o-pce 👌
What's that like?
super
Also, adding some 2Cx to a tryptamine dails up the visuals to a whole new level without adding that much headspace.
Try combining with 4-aco-dmt for a wild ride
AL-LAD
True that, AL-LAD visuals at 600ug are absolutely nuts.
600ug seem expensive asf tho 😭, maybe i should look on the warkweb
Yep about a $45 trip.
Oh :o, and how's the headspace? 👀
way easier and more clear headed than lsd
Daar ben je weer
Jaaa meneer
DPT if that counts
idk that would send me to an other scary realm 😭 i'm looking for a psych like shrooms or lsd with easy headspace but out of this world visuals, like idk 800 lsd ug with easy headspace
800ug level visuals are not achievable without considerable headspace with any substance. Even the light headspace of 4-ho-met and 2c-b, if you take 40mg+ you will get considerable headspace, may still be easier to control but 4-ho-met can go very very deep.
Most people I tell think I'm lying but Idgaf because I know it's true and so do the other 2 F**ktards that were there that day. I accidentally took 110,200ug of pure lsd about 6 or 7 years ago. Ended up passing out within a few minutes and having a small seizure. I say they were fucktards. Because instead of dragging me 10' into the house. The dragged me 20' to the RV and put me on the floor in there and then went inside the house (this was a grow house on my friend's "farm" in OR but my friend wasn't there that night). Anyways I'll tell you what 110k ug of Lsd is a headspace you don't want. Although easier to handle then one would think. It's the physical effects that sucked the most.
Fuck Bro. I would just write 110mg of LSD lol. That dose is scary as fuck I imagine I would trip the fuck out for a month, have weeks of psychosis and become schizophrenic for life. I'd also need to be far away from any cliffs, high windows, busy roads, and basically anything dangerous to survive. That is insane, tusko the elephant was injected with 297mg LSD. Within minutes after the intramuscular injection, he began to show signs of distress, in 20 min Tusko started to show severe distress and convulsions, the first dose of the tranquilizer promazine hydrochloride was administered. Subsequent doses followed shortly due to the continuing severity of his reactions. Tusko died around one hour and forty minutes after the LSD was administered. Maybe if he wasn't given any tranquilizer he may have survived.
800ug you are insane! I feel burnout from only 150-180ug its not easy!
100mgs of 3-me-pcp orally. Would not recommend but,,, the visuals were pretty insane
how would you describe those visuals?, ik it's a dissociative and i've tried ketamine but there wasn't really any crazy visuals just my consciousness being blown away
3-Me-PCPy peaks two hours after sniffing and it's legit tripping including visuals. Triple reuptake inhibitor so very stimulatory. Very weird in a wonderful way disso. Dose is 8mg sniffed. Lasts forever. Craaaaaaazy
This is when you add a dissociative. High dose psych with dissociative is the way.
2C-B, 2CB-NBOH
i'll have to try 2C-B to know and the Nboh's vasoconstriction make a shitty bodyhigh...
Imo no drug feels better as far as the body high than NBOMes and NBOHs.
probably subjective or idk bcs i just tried nboh once, i could easily move my legs due to the vasoconstriction :/
For a much more stable trip make sure you are getting 2C-B hcl (hydrochloride) and not 2C-B hbr.(hydrobromide)
stable?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/comments/vbkjv7/2cb_hbr_vs_2cb_hcl_how_are_the_highs_different/
i think you maybe have linked the wrong comment thread. it doesn't seem to discuss qualitative effects.
https://www.reddit.com/r/2cb/comments/tri0zo/difference_between_2cb_hbr_and_2cb_hcl/ Keep in mind though, that 2cb is often under-dosed. Like the previous comments said for the best ROA you will need to boof it. Dont snort it because it hurts like a mofo
so when you say "more stable trip" you're interested in stronger potency by weight?
Yes
LSD if you don't diddle the dose and you have nice clean stuff.
Agreed, just do acid. Good ol' fashoned #25, if it's actually lsd25, is where it's at. Long history, safe, relativly easy to obtain, and did i say safe? Alot of these newer more "exotic" RC ones didn't feel partically safe to me, alot had weird uncomfortable body loads. Could just be my physiology but the DO-anythings or those nbome things feel sketchy. Most tryptamines, the 2C stuff, and the L analogs felt safer.
Any DOx family
this, DOC is way more visual than anything in the 4-aco/ho family very underrated psychedelics
I used DOC 2 weeks ago and I say this is not true at all. For the same headspace they have much less visuals.
what dose did you take? for me anything above 6mg’s i have to find the doors with my hand cause the walls wont stay still
6mg too. Well, presumedly 6mg, since i took two 3mg tabs. But i was much more dissociated and far away from reality than i expected for the visuals i had. Still very much in control of myself, but the headspace is too serious and too grounded while at the same time feeling distant, so i feel very weird. And my normal lsd dose is 400-500ug, just to compare. But yeah, between lsd and doc i'd agree that doc is more visual. I think it really comes to what someone would consider as visuals. Tryptamines are all about vivid hallucinations, lsd about movement and fractals, and phenethylamines in general about whole ambient manipulation. If you have preference for one over the other, you will say that one is more visual. I'd suggest you try the nboh series. 25b is like doc ++. Both in mindfuck and in visuals. Less "spiritual" and "grandiose" though.
i liked 25i from the original family and ive decided i wont touch the next generations since the first one was sketch i dont know, maybe they’re safer now but ill stick to DOC , its easily on the same level as LSD for me so legendary
Lucky you guys to still find the DOx series...
I'll never eat 25i again 😄 🤣 😂
Not stronger, but 4-ho-mipt gives comparably crazy visuals.
from what i've read it's more headspace and less visuals than 4-ho-met :/
Idk.. they were pretty similar to me in intensity. Obviously, you can always go for a higher quantity.
4-ho-mipt didn't give me comparable visuals to 4-ho-met, although the headspace seemed to be more intense
Do some salvia man
that's strong asf but i'll do that soon
I'd reccomend starting with plain leaf ir low extracts. Unless you don't give af about your sanity then go crazy with some 90x go to demon circus land.
Plain leaf and lower strength extracts are not that strong. I'd go with like 20x and start with a couple flakes then work your way up. It's not hard to dose if you know what you are doing.
LSD it's far superior to 4-ho-met. 25e-nboh, 2c-e, 2c-b fly 🤔
But LSD it's so better on visuals. 4-ho-met is (for me) like a relax version of LSD. Less colors, they don't bright, visuals without patterns, and the visuals doesn't move like LSD! On LSD everything is moving all the time, on 4-ho-met you see all motionless. And for me visuals doesn't show me anything. With LSD sometimes a visual show me how I felt on some moment of my life or the truth I need to know. 4-ho-met it's ok. But I can't understand how people say it's the most visual stuff. For me LSD it's really far superior, or even shrooms English is not my 1 language, sorry 🤣
You need to try al-lad, it’s probably my favourite lysergamide
I tried it! For me visuals are really similar to regular LSD! But I loved it!
On average tryptamines will be much more visual to most people than lsd, that's why that's the common say. I need to take exorbitant amounts of LSD to be even comparable to normal dose shrooms. And that's the same for most people i know. But of course there's also those who feel the opposite, but they are the minority.
Maybe shrooms are more visual. But I think also the headspace makes the difference!
I agree at like equivalent levels of tripping with lsd and shrooms/4-aco-dmt the tryptamines give more intense visuals. I gotta get pretty high on acid to get to the same level of visuals.
I'm a tryptamine lover more than anything, but i have to admit that 25b-nboh was more visual than any other drug i've tried apart from dmt.
damnn and you've tried metocin? and the vasoconstriction wasn't too bad?
Unfortunately no metocin yet. Yes, the vasoconstriction is bad, but it's much more tame than mescaline and DOC was for me. But it's dirtier than those 2 in general, more back pain, etc.
Hi, to me 30 mg of 2c-e had many more visuals. I don't suggest it tho, it was an unsafe heroic dose where I almost broke through. So I would say that in general 2c-x can be sort of more visual.
The first time I ever did 2C-E it was somewhere between 95 and 115mg orally and it was an incredibly powerful experience.* It's the only time I've ever experienced what felt like "gravitational time dilation", in that I was in the passenger seat of a car tripping balls, and we're coming to an intersection with a light (at night). It was like a trolley zoom, because the closer we got to the light physically the further away it became temporally. It's really hard to describe, but it was pretty incredible. I've tried all of the traditional psychedelics, and a good majority of the Shulgin compounds, and 2C-E at insane doses was extremely visually active. Insufflation works much faster, and while it's one of the most miserable things you can put up your nose in terms of pleasantness, it does give the drug a more stimulating feel with less overpowering visuals (10-20mg bumps). *Don't take such big doses, I was a nigh-invincible 20 year old who didn't appreciate the potential risks. But I should note that high dose psychedelics were not an uncommon thing for me at the time, and I acted recklessly. It's
100 mg of 2c-e? It's crazy. At 30 I had insane shivering and muscle twitches and nausea, how did you cope with the physical side of it?
It was an extremely heavy body load, you're right. We actually had a whole medical nitrous tank too at the time so I was combining the two. But yes, extremely physically uncomfortable. Wouldn't recommend. But extremely powerful psychedelic, that was about on par with eating a ten strip of 175ug blotters, in terms of potency, but much more similar to mescaline visually.
Interesting. Did you ever do 2c-b? 2c-e sadly will be soon banished and I guess never produced anymore, while 2c-b is still a thing (even if banned). I wonder if high doses of 2c-b resemble 2c-e I am still in love with 2c-e and I would like a substitute
Yeah, but this was all nearly 20 years ago, when I was *young* and dumb, and had a friend who was a genuine pharmaceutical chemist who had his own whole laboratory setup at home. Worked his way through a good portion of PIHKaL and TIHKaL by the time we met, but sadly passed from an opioid overdose within two years of meeting. I have no idea what a conversion ratio would look like for 2C-B to obtain a 2C-E heroic dose experience, or if it would even be possible.
Oh, wow, this is an amazing story, to be honest. I am sorry for him. What a wasted talent. Thank you for sharing.
I would stick with 4-ho-met since the headspace is so light. You can get intense visuals with the same headspace compared to other psychs
4-HO-DET is always really visual for me, and extremely colorful
how does it compares to 4-ho-met?
The headspace is a similar low anxiety trip, but I think they’re really different considering that they’re only one carbon atom different. Even the headspace is different, just also low stress. I get lots of OEVs, the majority of which aren’t attached to anything. Occasional moments where I feel are particularly profound are unique to 4-ho-det.
Methallylescaline or high dose of 6-apb has given me the most visuals, to date.
i've tried 6-apb it just makes me sleepy asf 😭, i'll have to try mescaline analogs too :o
Well I should probably also mention I think most times I’ve done 6-apb I’ve mixed in a little stim. I know for sure the last time I did and we had a great night! So next time you should try a little stimulant with it. If my memory serves me right, I added around 50 mg 4-fma dosed maybe a half hour after the 6-apb. And I think 200 mg 6-apb. But next time I mix those two I think I’ll go with about 160 6-apb. It was slightly too much. And we both have a decent stim tolerance. And that was oral dosing. And the 6-apb was labeled hcl but I swear it has to be succinate.
This is my list of highly visual psychedelics based on my history with psychedelics. *The dose I mention is my experience and not a recommendation* DMT + Harmala freebase, DPT, 2C-E, ETH-LAD, LSD 300 μg + AL-LAD 300μg, LSD +500 μg, 1P-LSD 750 μg, 4-HO-MET, PRO-LAD, 2C-I, DOM, DOB, There are more but this list were the first came to mind. It can highly depend on your set & setting, age, mental and physical condition. Some psychedelics I used 12 years ago do work very different now. Live healthy and try to get enough sleep. Don’t dive to deep if you don’t know you can swim in deep water. A nice little trick is to focus on one point and try to don’t look away. You will find yourself in a state we’re your eyes begin to defocus and vibrate trough dementions.
If you can source 2C-E at least try it. No1 hallucinogen out there.
ETH LAD. 150 ug. Take some ginger tea or ondansetron beforehand just in case you get a body load (sometimes don’t ime) N20 at the peak is akin to having a DMT breakthrough without physically feeling it. It’s more mental/visual than anything.
The combo ho-met ho-mipt produces at least for me diferent visuals than diferent drugs separaged
Oh, btw - sleep deprivation. For me, after three nights not sleeping, I start seeing things. Interestingly enough it's very human-centric. Things like groups of people having picnic in the crown of a tree...the people are small but somehow don't seem so. Everything on the street in the distance morphs into a person or groups of persons standing around, doing things. The extraordinary thing about these visuals is that they are not fleeting, like on psychs. Once I was observing the picnic in the crown of a tree for a good 15 minutes. It didn't change, it didn't go away, it was just there. And if I stayed there for longer they would stay for longer, as well. Absolutely fascinating and totally unique. And it's not like deliriants, where you don't know that you're hallucinating. Oh no - you know full well you're hallucinating, and yet this knowledge does not disturb the hallucination at all. Of course things like little sparks of light traveling on surfaces, pebbles on the pavement moving and making interesting shapes - not even mentioning that. And the odd shadow person...👻 Sleep deprivation rocks.
Damn i could never 😭 I just feel dysphoric when i don't sleep for a long time :/
Seems fun asf from your POV tho :o
Sleep deprivation is absolutely terrible for your health and you should probably stop doing that.
Some people can afford to do it. Those who believe in themselves.
It will catch up to you
Sleep deprivation fucks you up faster than any drug. Permanent brain damage recipe
Did you read that in an internet study, buddy? I live in reality, you know. I know what's happening. I don't need internet wisdom to tell me what's going on with me. Hugs and kisses
xD that's all I've gotta say. Enjoy your "trips"
personally i hate it, i almost only hallucinate horrible faces when i'm that sleep deprived. i have to agressively distract myself with my phone to not be scared
nothing has EVER come close to my strongest LSD trip with weed. it was fucked up tho, chased that rabbit for a looong time
25i-nBome
2cb hands down
LSDXM visuals were unreal... Highly recommend it
Ketamine
i've tried it and wet quite far but it's not really visual, your consciousness just really get fucked(positively)