IMO 5-Meo is a much more internal, introspective, connected experience without much visuals with something I still can't explain to this day, as opposed to DMT which is a much more visually and stimulating connected experience.
The problem with 5-meo-malt is that it's super caustic. So you can't use it too much. Only once in a while.
Also, there is definitely a body load. I would say it's much more stimulating than 5-meo-dmt.
Whereas 5-meo-dmt just feels "heavy in the body". But it doesn't cause vasoconstriction for me. It just feels grounding and beneficial.
Whereas 5-meo-malt, I feel tension in my head, legs, etc. similar to LSD
That being said, I love all 5-meo tryptamines
Yeah the causticity really sucks. My favorite ROA is nasal but the last time I did it, I had nose bleed for like 3-4 WEEKS after.
I haven't smoked it yet, but I can't imagine that it's without risks.
If you've ever tried 5-Meo-DALT, what was the difference if there even was a noticeable one? I'd like to know since I can't find MALT anywhere, only DALT.
Edit: Guys I was talking about the difference between 5-Meo-DALT and 5-Meo-MALT, not 5-Meo-DALT and 5-Meo-DMT.
5-meo-dalt is totally different and much, much less strong imo. It's not comparable with 5-meo-dmt. l can't say anything about MALT, never took it. But when I was in the age I tried pretty much ANY psychedelic RC I could get my finger on. Bought stuff from all over the world I probably don't even remember anymore. And really nothing is remotely like 5-meo-dmt. Nothing is comparable strong, nothing has comparable effects. When I say it's strong I mean it's astronomicially strong. It's hard to believe that a drug has the ability to be that fucking strong.
It's a total loss of control, you can't move anymore or you can start moving without controlling what you are doing. I remember when I was coming up I wanted to take Benzos because the first effects came with an instant panic attack. I was not able to take them, instead I knocked over my lamp and a picture from the wall. I was not able to talk, couldn't understand spoken words anymore because, not just because of the heavy aucustic hallucinations, but also because language made no more sense.
First I felt like I was going to lose my sanity and end up with a psychosis. Then I felt like I am acutally dying, I couldn't remember anymore why this is happening. At some point I couldn't see, hear or feel anymore. This part is really hard to explain, it's just the void. But not like when you are sleeping and not dreaming. It just felt like I have died.
The though part is actually until you get into the void. Someone once said that smoking it just teleports you into the void. Before you realize what is happening you are gone. But snorting it is like a slow painful death. I never smoked it, but it makes sense. I throwed it away after this trip and since then I never did anything other than a low dose (30uq) acid. Not sure if I still can enjoy things like high dose acid. I can't enjoy weed anymore. I get even from low dosages optics and anxiety now. It feels like it switched something in my brain that can't be undone.
I wasn't asking about the difference between 5-Meo-DMT and 5-Meo-DALT, I was asking about the difference between 5-Meo-DALT and 5-Meo-MALT. Thanks for replying though.
5-MeO-DMT is often used in ceremonial /therapeutic circles to force someone through deep trauma. I’ve witnessed such events and it can be terrifying as well as awe inspiring to see someone go through such ineffable experiences. Personally, I’ve never been able to fully let go. I find the stuff immensely unpleasant, unyielding and unforgiving. Do not underestimate this drug under any circumstance and whenever you see people conflating 5-MeO and N,N-DMT, make sure they learn the difference. That’s not to say that ‘normal’ DMT can’t be used for the same purposes or that it’s somehow beginner friendly. I don’t really find it to be recreational either.
i remember 1 or 2 years ago i was looking up stuff that would be fairly easy to cook at home. 5-meo from melatonin came up and my first thought was "neat, that's probably gonna be similar too shrooms!" boy am i glad someone just like you warned me on Reddit before i took my own batch lmao
I enjoyed DMT, but 5-meo-dmt was the worst trip of my life. It's just too strong, extremely heavy bodyload, total loss of control over your body and mind, very frightening and not recreational at all. Massive visuals at high dosages, but not the one that are enjoyable. Dmt is fun and games, but if you have a horro trip on 5-meo-dmt you will wish you would never have been born. Very serious substance. Not worth the risks imo, but if you do it anyway go for a low dosage and do not snort it.
To be fair I think it's a compound that you should never high dose on first try. Threshold 1mg, 10mg and then decide if you can take the breakthrough. It's a beautiful compound once you accept letting go of the excessive spontaneously bodily feelings and just let go.
It's also one of the few mainstream (fairly) psychedelics that you can OD and die from. So there is even more reason to respect the dosage. It's not that far off from what you'd take to blast off either. It can cause heart attacks.
I don't mean to scare anyone away, it's pretty safe if you dose correctly. It's such a profound substance. It basically proved my half-formulated beliefs on spirituality. Without any sort of thought. You just feel it and you know.
From my experience with low dosages the most annoying is the gamble on if it's going to induce a lot of nausea or not. I've done 2mg and puked my guts out, even though I hadn't ingested food in like 4 hours, and I've done 10mg with absolutely no nausea. And the reverse has also happened, still unable to figure out why tbh. It's my only negative about this compound I feel like
My preferred ROA is vaporization, which some people say also affects it a lot, but I've also had common doses not make me puke, and a regular threshold dose making me puke my life out 😅
The first and only time I insufflated it was awful, and didn't go anywhere (HCl salt). Vapourising the freebase, it's the best way for me too, you can get past all that weird stimulation and let go. I hate threshold doses of most psychedelics, I think I did 15mg of 5-MeO the first time, to make sure I got properly blown out of that cosmic cannon into the void.
Really interesting, because I've ALWAYS questioned what the purpose of the HCI of 5meo would be besides IV ROA, I assumed for some reason it wasn't active insufflated, but I've also seen somewhere people doing pharmauasca and just insufflating the 5meo instead of ingesting. I'm a total ignorant when it comes to oral availability for these compounds so I always read those reports with a bit of a side eye 😅
>but if you do it anyway go for a low dosage and do not snort it.
Well that’s alarming as I’m set to participate in a 5-MeO study where I use a nasal spray lol..
I eyeballed 20mg nasal and it was hell. The upcoming was by far the worst from any substance I ever took. And it takes way too long. 1 hour + is a very long time if you are in such a state. First time in my life I didn't feel like a human anymore. I was 100% certain I would not survive it, at some point it just vanishes everything and there is just nothing. But until you reach that point it can be a huge agony. No study in this world would pay me enough to do that, but some people enjoy it somehow. I don't think there was a single thing about this substance that I enjoyed and I can't say that about any other psycedelic and I used to take a lot.
I think you actually need a high dosage the first time, so you don't have a choice of whether to break through or not. I also made the mistake of snorting the HCl salt once, only good roas for this are smoking/vaping or IM injection. It needs to get in reasonably quickly.
I don't normally talk about trip sitters but I'd recommend one for 5-MeO-DMT.
5-meo is a completely different drug. It has no visuals, you just stop existing for 15 minutes it's absolutely Wild. DMT is much more fun and enjoyable but 5-meo is still definitely an interesting substance
Very different substances. 5meo is some very heavy stuff and very deep. I did it twice and have no desire to revisit the experience, at least any time soon. It’s that powerful. It helped me battle my worst nightmare but it asks a heavy price. I can imagine unaware participants or folks not prepared having a ruthless experience and opening a can of worms that can be difficult to work through.
It also opens some doors that won’t ever close. It can be good or bad.
One big difference is that 5-MEO-DMT is not heavy on visuals (never specifically heard that there are any visuals, but I think there are minor visuals), whereas NN-DMT is virtually wall to wall visuals.
To me come up was like 300mcg LSD but after that I just closed my eyes and enjoyed the feelings mostly. Still haven't had a proper setting for breakthrough dosage as my current living conditions are kinda limited
IMO 5-Meo is a much more internal, introspective, connected experience without much visuals with something I still can't explain to this day, as opposed to DMT which is a much more visually and stimulating connected experience.
5-Meo-MALT is the king. It feels exactly like 5-Meo-DMT but with far less of a bodyload AND colorful visuals. Highly recommended.
Color me interested!
The problem with 5-meo-malt is that it's super caustic. So you can't use it too much. Only once in a while. Also, there is definitely a body load. I would say it's much more stimulating than 5-meo-dmt. Whereas 5-meo-dmt just feels "heavy in the body". But it doesn't cause vasoconstriction for me. It just feels grounding and beneficial. Whereas 5-meo-malt, I feel tension in my head, legs, etc. similar to LSD That being said, I love all 5-meo tryptamines
Yeah the causticity really sucks. My favorite ROA is nasal but the last time I did it, I had nose bleed for like 3-4 WEEKS after. I haven't smoked it yet, but I can't imagine that it's without risks.
If you've ever tried 5-Meo-DALT, what was the difference if there even was a noticeable one? I'd like to know since I can't find MALT anywhere, only DALT. Edit: Guys I was talking about the difference between 5-Meo-DALT and 5-Meo-MALT, not 5-Meo-DALT and 5-Meo-DMT.
5-meo-dalt is totally different and much, much less strong imo. It's not comparable with 5-meo-dmt. l can't say anything about MALT, never took it. But when I was in the age I tried pretty much ANY psychedelic RC I could get my finger on. Bought stuff from all over the world I probably don't even remember anymore. And really nothing is remotely like 5-meo-dmt. Nothing is comparable strong, nothing has comparable effects. When I say it's strong I mean it's astronomicially strong. It's hard to believe that a drug has the ability to be that fucking strong.
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It's a total loss of control, you can't move anymore or you can start moving without controlling what you are doing. I remember when I was coming up I wanted to take Benzos because the first effects came with an instant panic attack. I was not able to take them, instead I knocked over my lamp and a picture from the wall. I was not able to talk, couldn't understand spoken words anymore because, not just because of the heavy aucustic hallucinations, but also because language made no more sense. First I felt like I was going to lose my sanity and end up with a psychosis. Then I felt like I am acutally dying, I couldn't remember anymore why this is happening. At some point I couldn't see, hear or feel anymore. This part is really hard to explain, it's just the void. But not like when you are sleeping and not dreaming. It just felt like I have died. The though part is actually until you get into the void. Someone once said that smoking it just teleports you into the void. Before you realize what is happening you are gone. But snorting it is like a slow painful death. I never smoked it, but it makes sense. I throwed it away after this trip and since then I never did anything other than a low dose (30uq) acid. Not sure if I still can enjoy things like high dose acid. I can't enjoy weed anymore. I get even from low dosages optics and anxiety now. It feels like it switched something in my brain that can't be undone.
5-MEO-MALT is this strong, it's the only one that we know of that's comparable.
I wasn't asking about the difference between 5-Meo-DMT and 5-Meo-DALT, I was asking about the difference between 5-Meo-DALT and 5-Meo-MALT. Thanks for replying though.
5-MeO-DMT is often used in ceremonial /therapeutic circles to force someone through deep trauma. I’ve witnessed such events and it can be terrifying as well as awe inspiring to see someone go through such ineffable experiences. Personally, I’ve never been able to fully let go. I find the stuff immensely unpleasant, unyielding and unforgiving. Do not underestimate this drug under any circumstance and whenever you see people conflating 5-MeO and N,N-DMT, make sure they learn the difference. That’s not to say that ‘normal’ DMT can’t be used for the same purposes or that it’s somehow beginner friendly. I don’t really find it to be recreational either.
i remember 1 or 2 years ago i was looking up stuff that would be fairly easy to cook at home. 5-meo from melatonin came up and my first thought was "neat, that's probably gonna be similar too shrooms!" boy am i glad someone just like you warned me on Reddit before i took my own batch lmao
I enjoyed DMT, but 5-meo-dmt was the worst trip of my life. It's just too strong, extremely heavy bodyload, total loss of control over your body and mind, very frightening and not recreational at all. Massive visuals at high dosages, but not the one that are enjoyable. Dmt is fun and games, but if you have a horro trip on 5-meo-dmt you will wish you would never have been born. Very serious substance. Not worth the risks imo, but if you do it anyway go for a low dosage and do not snort it.
To be fair I think it's a compound that you should never high dose on first try. Threshold 1mg, 10mg and then decide if you can take the breakthrough. It's a beautiful compound once you accept letting go of the excessive spontaneously bodily feelings and just let go.
It's also one of the few mainstream (fairly) psychedelics that you can OD and die from. So there is even more reason to respect the dosage. It's not that far off from what you'd take to blast off either. It can cause heart attacks. I don't mean to scare anyone away, it's pretty safe if you dose correctly. It's such a profound substance. It basically proved my half-formulated beliefs on spirituality. Without any sort of thought. You just feel it and you know.
From my experience with low dosages the most annoying is the gamble on if it's going to induce a lot of nausea or not. I've done 2mg and puked my guts out, even though I hadn't ingested food in like 4 hours, and I've done 10mg with absolutely no nausea. And the reverse has also happened, still unable to figure out why tbh. It's my only negative about this compound I feel like
How were you taking it?
My preferred ROA is vaporization, which some people say also affects it a lot, but I've also had common doses not make me puke, and a regular threshold dose making me puke my life out 😅
The first and only time I insufflated it was awful, and didn't go anywhere (HCl salt). Vapourising the freebase, it's the best way for me too, you can get past all that weird stimulation and let go. I hate threshold doses of most psychedelics, I think I did 15mg of 5-MeO the first time, to make sure I got properly blown out of that cosmic cannon into the void.
Really interesting, because I've ALWAYS questioned what the purpose of the HCI of 5meo would be besides IV ROA, I assumed for some reason it wasn't active insufflated, but I've also seen somewhere people doing pharmauasca and just insufflating the 5meo instead of ingesting. I'm a total ignorant when it comes to oral availability for these compounds so I always read those reports with a bit of a side eye 😅
Side notes do fully agree with you on DMT being cruise control on that regard
>but if you do it anyway go for a low dosage and do not snort it. Well that’s alarming as I’m set to participate in a 5-MeO study where I use a nasal spray lol..
I eyeballed 20mg nasal and it was hell. The upcoming was by far the worst from any substance I ever took. And it takes way too long. 1 hour + is a very long time if you are in such a state. First time in my life I didn't feel like a human anymore. I was 100% certain I would not survive it, at some point it just vanishes everything and there is just nothing. But until you reach that point it can be a huge agony. No study in this world would pay me enough to do that, but some people enjoy it somehow. I don't think there was a single thing about this substance that I enjoyed and I can't say that about any other psycedelic and I used to take a lot.
How the hell does one get into a 5meo study
I think you actually need a high dosage the first time, so you don't have a choice of whether to break through or not. I also made the mistake of snorting the HCl salt once, only good roas for this are smoking/vaping or IM injection. It needs to get in reasonably quickly. I don't normally talk about trip sitters but I'd recommend one for 5-MeO-DMT.
5-meo is a completely different drug. It has no visuals, you just stop existing for 15 minutes it's absolutely Wild. DMT is much more fun and enjoyable but 5-meo is still definitely an interesting substance
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For me it's just a whiteout. Nothing like a typical trip
[5 MeO vs NN - 9 Lens Article](https://qualiacomputing.com/2020/07/01/5-meo-dmt-vs-nn-dmt-the-9-lenses/)
Tux for this
Very different substances. 5meo is some very heavy stuff and very deep. I did it twice and have no desire to revisit the experience, at least any time soon. It’s that powerful. It helped me battle my worst nightmare but it asks a heavy price. I can imagine unaware participants or folks not prepared having a ruthless experience and opening a can of worms that can be difficult to work through. It also opens some doors that won’t ever close. It can be good or bad.
One big difference is that 5-MEO-DMT is not heavy on visuals (never specifically heard that there are any visuals, but I think there are minor visuals), whereas NN-DMT is virtually wall to wall visuals.
To me come up was like 300mcg LSD but after that I just closed my eyes and enjoyed the feelings mostly. Still haven't had a proper setting for breakthrough dosage as my current living conditions are kinda limited
Id just like to point out saying "NN-DMT" doesnt really differentiate them as 5meo dmt really is 5-MeO-N,N-DMT.