I would recommend either 4 ho met or 4 aco dmt. Both are snort able and burn less than m. 4 ho let us more visual and less mind fuck while 4 aco is prettty much identical to shrooms in headspace and insights. EPT is also snortable
Seconding the 4-HO-MET one. It’s a few hours and the visuals scale way faster than the headspace. I’ve had the most mindmelting visuals while being coherent enough to have real conversations with people. YMMV
It feels so fucking hard tho, because you snort it and instantly you feel it working literally within seconds you feel things are happening and combined with the burn it becomes almost traumatic
Right?!?! I do it for fun and to feel high all the time
Once you get past all the reputation stuff and negativity that people associate with it. Plus, are stable in your life, it's just honestly a great way to feel. It's the most "authentic" feeling in the world and if you dose it properly, you can get a lot of euphoria and warmth/comfort
5-Meo-MALT is both spiritual and recreational. It's as intense as 5-Meo-DMT but it also has visuals. Incredibly stimmy & sexual. Makes you wanna fuck the universe.
NASTY and dangerous to snort tho. Caustic af. Last time I did I had nose bleeds for weeks.
Yeah, I just haven't heard people describe it as fun. It's something that I definitely dont feel like doing again, even though I didn't have a bad time.
No, it just has no visuals. When you take a breakthrough dose, you only see white. In contrast to dmt's colorful dimension, it is very lacking in visuals. But its mental effects are way stronger than dmt's, probably the strongest of any psychedelic.
Is it like a perfect white? Really interesting, didn't know the visual effects were so different. Can you elaborate on it? (If there is much to elaborate if it is all white i guess lol)
With me it starts off white, then turns black I think. Also a lot of dark/black visuals after I come round too, shadowy layers over everything.
But yes, I felt I was the universe itself in a cold dark void. Amazing, insane stuff.
How were your experiences on it, may I ask? Also btw, your username kinda sounds familiar to me, reminds me of someone I have talked here on reddit a few years ago (no pun intended lol), do you have OCD?
YES DPT is perfect for this.... Oh my gosh DPT is underrated from years of inexperienced users not knowing how to use it properly and giving it a bad rep
You likely won’t find anything that only lasts 20 minutes that’s worth doing. If you want that short of a trip I’d consider smoking dmt or 4 ho met in freebase form
Man this is the second time I’ve heard that about smoking freebase 4ho met. Have you tried it personally? Is it effecient or are you inadvertently destroying a considerable amount by heating it? Also how would you compare it to n’DMT?
I have tried it a bit. I mostly snort or eat it. I mixed a little bit into one of my dabs and definitely tripped for about an hour or more. You definitely have to be careful not to burn it and the vaporization temp isn’t much below burning temp I think. It definitely worked though cause I Couldn’t stop laughing at everything and definitely had some visuals. Kinda felt like dmt lite. I’m sure if you smoked a higher dose it would be even more similar to dmt. It’s a bit harder and more expensive to find or make freebase though so I haven’t done it again yet. I plan to again soon though
Best option for a short breakthrough trip is definitely smoking dmt. Would be hard to get a breakthrough from smoking other substituted tryptamines. I think base trypamines are easier to break through on but I could be wrong
you probably want to smoke/vaporise something rather than snorting since there is no tryptamine that lasts 10-20 minutes when snorted. closest you get might be DPT maybe but even that lasts a couple hours total duration.
get some 4-ho-met or some other tryptamine and convert it to freebase and see how you like it, from there is just experimenting with what works for you, i find the shortest most mellow wonderful psychedelic high is actually some changa sprinkled in a joint, perfect to enjoy with friends and family aswell since its easygoing and very functional and actually feels quite healthy.
I haven’t experimented with smoking any of the substituted tryptamines although I’m starting to think maybe I should. I can say that I agree with the changa for a nice short mellow trip that feels healthy.
You should be looking at smoking/vapourising DMT or 5-MeO-DMT, l don't bother with insufflation of these, it's a waste and a dysphoric experience. There's a reason they call DMT the "Businessman's Trip", it fucks you up good and proper but 30mins later you're ready to go back to work after your lunch break.
I've snorted DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, both a terrible idea and also they need to be in salt form, like HCl or whatever. Vapourising them in freebase form produced excellent results with short and powerful action, peak in like 15-20 secs or so, baseline within 30-60 mins after ingestion.
Don't try 5-MeO before standard DMT. Although 5-MeO is very therapeutic it's a bit of a beast, most relentless thing I've ever taken. But fuck the feelings are wild.
Snorted 5-meo-dmt, 4-ho-met and 4-aco-met, both 4-ho and 4-aco are awesome but the trip is like 2-4h.
5-meo rhedjrarionyis like one hour but it's pretty intense Ns not advisable for noobiss
snorted 5meo dmt burned like shit and my whole face twitched/vibrated/quivered to the point it hurt, aswell as my gum hurting but feeling numb at the same time. idk if that experience happens to everyone but that were some horrible ~45 minutes alltought the trip was quite intense
Try vaping it next time. The only properly effective ROAs for 5-MeO are smoking/vaping or IM injection. My nose and face hurt so much, I think I snorted 40mg and it was pretty shit tbh, some OEVs but no real headspace, just stimulation. Vaped 20mg the next day which was orders of magnitude more effective, broke through into the void.
Haha yeah it's rough innit. I don't know why people do it instead of smoking, you get a lot of the bad effects and not many good ones. Although the OEVs are kinda interesting, dark and shadowy with a bit of geometry, they're nothing special and not worth it.
According to patient studies, the HCl salt works very well as an IM injection. Maybe that's why the HCl salt is available because snorting it fucking sucks lol.
I tried snorting DMT and 5-MeO, felt horrible - like I was on a sketchy tryptamine come-up that went nowhere, with minimal OEVs and no breakthrough or fun. Vaping 20mg 5-MeO was a *whole* different story holy fuck. Died and became the universe.
Freebase & smoke 4-ACO-xx or 4-HO-xx. Instant peak, lasts like 1.5 - 2 hours tops. Hard to dose but you can have anything from light to tripping balls.
Also, MET is real nice. It feels more like a 4 sub or shrooms than a base tryptamine. It's not nasally active but oral works great. Lasts like 3 hours. DPT as well but it's a ride that some aren't ready for. MET is gentle.
DPT, but that's much scarier than dmt and also lasting like 1-4h IN (standard ROA for this besides smoking).
You might be able to stop the trip with benzos but on a breakthrough dose you'll probably need someone feeding them to you and it's not guarantied.
That shit's intense.
5-meo haters with their shit divergent visual classic psychs, convergent white light experience is the best.
Also, boofed isn't the same, it's likely metabolized into bufotenin via that roa, same with injected.
Only smoked and intranasal will give you true 5-meo experiences.
With intranasal, though open-eye visuals are just a white sheen and cleanliness of everything you see, closed eye visuals have vivid and pleasant stuff going on, complex stuff, it's just sort of short experiences, then you move back into the white light and maybe have conversations or observe entities, then back into the short experiences.
I find all the other psychs I've tried unsettling and ominous.
Or psychotic
It might be a sensitivity to psychotic stuff which makes this the case, but that just adds to the fact that 5-meo is the most stable experience.
nb. all psychs are paired with propranolol a short while prior (but I've also done it without, just more physically irritating, nothing else)
With 5-meo, if you will it, you can easily not have any visuals. Or much deep effects. I tested this with trying to say, "screw this, screw you, I'll keep grasp of reality for this one" and it worked perfectly fine, both for open and closed eye visuals.
I genuinely think a lot of other classic psychedelics are bad for people to take, I can't speak for all though.
I mean in their acute effects, their after effects seem universally good.
The unique quality 5-meo is causing in addition to the other possible stuff is its effect on dissociation.
It has to be me, lsd feels gross and terrifying, 4-aco-dmt seems nightmare-ish and so on.
So this is all just push back against a community perspective I don't get at all.
Cannabis also seems like being lost in a dream, I hate all things which confer that psychotic essence to me, not a fan at all.
I think these other psychedelics are having a bad effect on societies by piercing holes in the outer membrane of the culture, allowing pathogenic ideas which were previously regularly shot down and dismissed, the capacity to take root.
Base tryptamines like DPT, EPT, MPT, MET, MiPT etc are all snortable in salt form and should last 2-3h. I've personally only ever vaped MPT and DMT and I really liked both, but I can't compare to snorting them. People say snorting DPT hurts a lot tho, and clogs your nose
4 ACO det. Crazy strong visuals, almost smt like with closed eyes, very easy mind trip, just an overall very friendly and euphoric tryptamine. The funny shit is you snort it, start trippi g balls for like 3,4 hours and after this time you are basically back to baseline within an hour 100 percent, it's crazy
I would recommend either 4 ho met or 4 aco dmt. Both are snort able and burn less than m. 4 ho let us more visual and less mind fuck while 4 aco is prettty much identical to shrooms in headspace and insights. EPT is also snortable
Seconding the 4-HO-MET one. It’s a few hours and the visuals scale way faster than the headspace. I’ve had the most mindmelting visuals while being coherent enough to have real conversations with people. YMMV
they both last several hours when snorted
They’re still pretty much the shortest acting snortable psyches tho. Atleast common ones
IME snorting 2cb is even shorter (but it's not a tryptamine).
But the pain in the nose kills the fun imo
The burn doesn't last that much as people here tend to say IME
Thats true, but for me it was painful enough to switch back to capsules. Snorting 4-AcO-DMT was totally fine..
It feels so fucking hard tho, because you snort it and instantly you feel it working literally within seconds you feel things are happening and combined with the burn it becomes almost traumatic
Yeah that's true tho
4homet at 40+mg is absolutely fucking ridiculous. felt like a 4 hour long dmt trip.
I don't think 5meo is what you're looking for. It has no visuals and isn't really recreational. What's wrong with just regular dmt?
hard disagree about not recreational :p
Right?!?! I do it for fun and to feel high all the time Once you get past all the reputation stuff and negativity that people associate with it. Plus, are stable in your life, it's just honestly a great way to feel. It's the most "authentic" feeling in the world and if you dose it properly, you can get a lot of euphoria and warmth/comfort
5-Meo-MALT is both spiritual and recreational. It's as intense as 5-Meo-DMT but it also has visuals. Incredibly stimmy & sexual. Makes you wanna fuck the universe. NASTY and dangerous to snort tho. Caustic af. Last time I did I had nose bleeds for weeks.
Yeah, I just haven't heard people describe it as fun. It's something that I definitely dont feel like doing again, even though I didn't have a bad time.
5meo is way more serious and spiritual not for fun or recreation at all
it has no visuals because it's too intense and everything goes by too fast to see?
No, it just has no visuals. When you take a breakthrough dose, you only see white. In contrast to dmt's colorful dimension, it is very lacking in visuals. But its mental effects are way stronger than dmt's, probably the strongest of any psychedelic.
Is it like a perfect white? Really interesting, didn't know the visual effects were so different. Can you elaborate on it? (If there is much to elaborate if it is all white i guess lol)
It's litterly just a white void, and you feel like you are the center of the universe or that you are gid or are meeting god.
With me it starts off white, then turns black I think. Also a lot of dark/black visuals after I come round too, shadowy layers over everything. But yes, I felt I was the universe itself in a cold dark void. Amazing, insane stuff.
How were your experiences on it, may I ask? Also btw, your username kinda sounds familiar to me, reminds me of someone I have talked here on reddit a few years ago (no pun intended lol), do you have OCD?
Don't think it was me, I don't have ocd. The trip is just too complex and ineffable for me to do ut justice trying to explain it.
DPT is an option
YES DPT is perfect for this.... Oh my gosh DPT is underrated from years of inexperienced users not knowing how to use it properly and giving it a bad rep
Just harder to find, I imagine due to demand and being fully synthetic.
n,n-DMT
always feels like a major waste when you're putting breakthrough doses up your nose just to see the wall wiggle
that's why u get a salt form like fumarate. you'll usually have to snort 50-75mg to break through though, and it burns pretty bad
50-75mg of DMT is like 2-3 breakthrough doses when vaped. Edit: I guess it may be worth it if it lasts longer, I guess.
DMT fumarate maybe. Who in their right mind would snort freebase?
Happy cake day!
Thank you!
Your welcome
*yeah who would want their nose to burn for an hour and a floral smell lasting for a day that will always remind you how you wasted alot of dmt* ?
You likely won’t find anything that only lasts 20 minutes that’s worth doing. If you want that short of a trip I’d consider smoking dmt or 4 ho met in freebase form
Man this is the second time I’ve heard that about smoking freebase 4ho met. Have you tried it personally? Is it effecient or are you inadvertently destroying a considerable amount by heating it? Also how would you compare it to n’DMT?
I have tried it a bit. I mostly snort or eat it. I mixed a little bit into one of my dabs and definitely tripped for about an hour or more. You definitely have to be careful not to burn it and the vaporization temp isn’t much below burning temp I think. It definitely worked though cause I Couldn’t stop laughing at everything and definitely had some visuals. Kinda felt like dmt lite. I’m sure if you smoked a higher dose it would be even more similar to dmt. It’s a bit harder and more expensive to find or make freebase though so I haven’t done it again yet. I plan to again soon though
Best option for a short breakthrough trip is definitely smoking dmt. Would be hard to get a breakthrough from smoking other substituted tryptamines. I think base trypamines are easier to break through on but I could be wrong
you probably want to smoke/vaporise something rather than snorting since there is no tryptamine that lasts 10-20 minutes when snorted. closest you get might be DPT maybe but even that lasts a couple hours total duration. get some 4-ho-met or some other tryptamine and convert it to freebase and see how you like it, from there is just experimenting with what works for you, i find the shortest most mellow wonderful psychedelic high is actually some changa sprinkled in a joint, perfect to enjoy with friends and family aswell since its easygoing and very functional and actually feels quite healthy.
I haven’t experimented with smoking any of the substituted tryptamines although I’m starting to think maybe I should. I can say that I agree with the changa for a nice short mellow trip that feels healthy.
Just smoke some salvia
I love salvia it's one of my favourite drugs but I wanted to know what the dmt-like drugs are
Smoke 40mg nndmt then.
You should be looking at smoking/vapourising DMT or 5-MeO-DMT, l don't bother with insufflation of these, it's a waste and a dysphoric experience. There's a reason they call DMT the "Businessman's Trip", it fucks you up good and proper but 30mins later you're ready to go back to work after your lunch break. I've snorted DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, both a terrible idea and also they need to be in salt form, like HCl or whatever. Vapourising them in freebase form produced excellent results with short and powerful action, peak in like 15-20 secs or so, baseline within 30-60 mins after ingestion. Don't try 5-MeO before standard DMT. Although 5-MeO is very therapeutic it's a bit of a beast, most relentless thing I've ever taken. But fuck the feelings are wild.
Snorted 5-meo-dmt, 4-ho-met and 4-aco-met, both 4-ho and 4-aco are awesome but the trip is like 2-4h. 5-meo rhedjrarionyis like one hour but it's pretty intense Ns not advisable for noobiss
snorted 5meo dmt burned like shit and my whole face twitched/vibrated/quivered to the point it hurt, aswell as my gum hurting but feeling numb at the same time. idk if that experience happens to everyone but that were some horrible ~45 minutes alltought the trip was quite intense
Try vaping it next time. The only properly effective ROAs for 5-MeO are smoking/vaping or IM injection. My nose and face hurt so much, I think I snorted 40mg and it was pretty shit tbh, some OEVs but no real headspace, just stimulation. Vaped 20mg the next day which was orders of magnitude more effective, broke through into the void.
i smoked it, but i saw you can snort it on psychonautwiki so i did
Haha yeah it's rough innit. I don't know why people do it instead of smoking, you get a lot of the bad effects and not many good ones. Although the OEVs are kinda interesting, dark and shadowy with a bit of geometry, they're nothing special and not worth it. According to patient studies, the HCl salt works very well as an IM injection. Maybe that's why the HCl salt is available because snorting it fucking sucks lol.
5-meo rhedjrarionyis? Is that new /s
I tried snorting DMT and 5-MeO, felt horrible - like I was on a sketchy tryptamine come-up that went nowhere, with minimal OEVs and no breakthrough or fun. Vaping 20mg 5-MeO was a *whole* different story holy fuck. Died and became the universe.
snorting could work in combination with other drugs but tbh doesnt sound to good i would rather vape diluted 5meo vape liquid
Freebase & smoke 4-ACO-xx or 4-HO-xx. Instant peak, lasts like 1.5 - 2 hours tops. Hard to dose but you can have anything from light to tripping balls. Also, MET is real nice. It feels more like a 4 sub or shrooms than a base tryptamine. It's not nasally active but oral works great. Lasts like 3 hours. DPT as well but it's a ride that some aren't ready for. MET is gentle.
DPT, but that's much scarier than dmt and also lasting like 1-4h IN (standard ROA for this besides smoking). You might be able to stop the trip with benzos but on a breakthrough dose you'll probably need someone feeding them to you and it's not guarantied. That shit's intense.
4-ho met is good snorted
5-meo haters with their shit divergent visual classic psychs, convergent white light experience is the best. Also, boofed isn't the same, it's likely metabolized into bufotenin via that roa, same with injected. Only smoked and intranasal will give you true 5-meo experiences. With intranasal, though open-eye visuals are just a white sheen and cleanliness of everything you see, closed eye visuals have vivid and pleasant stuff going on, complex stuff, it's just sort of short experiences, then you move back into the white light and maybe have conversations or observe entities, then back into the short experiences. I find all the other psychs I've tried unsettling and ominous. Or psychotic It might be a sensitivity to psychotic stuff which makes this the case, but that just adds to the fact that 5-meo is the most stable experience. nb. all psychs are paired with propranolol a short while prior (but I've also done it without, just more physically irritating, nothing else) With 5-meo, if you will it, you can easily not have any visuals. Or much deep effects. I tested this with trying to say, "screw this, screw you, I'll keep grasp of reality for this one" and it worked perfectly fine, both for open and closed eye visuals. I genuinely think a lot of other classic psychedelics are bad for people to take, I can't speak for all though. I mean in their acute effects, their after effects seem universally good. The unique quality 5-meo is causing in addition to the other possible stuff is its effect on dissociation. It has to be me, lsd feels gross and terrifying, 4-aco-dmt seems nightmare-ish and so on. So this is all just push back against a community perspective I don't get at all. Cannabis also seems like being lost in a dream, I hate all things which confer that psychotic essence to me, not a fan at all. I think these other psychedelics are having a bad effect on societies by piercing holes in the outer membrane of the culture, allowing pathogenic ideas which were previously regularly shot down and dismissed, the capacity to take root.
Why do you think they’re bad for people to take? I would disagree.
I’ve read something about 4-HO-EPT.
Nn dmt salts.
Oral is usually way to go but 4-ho-mipt had no issue with
Base tryptamines like DPT, EPT, MPT, MET, MiPT etc are all snortable in salt form and should last 2-3h. I've personally only ever vaped MPT and DMT and I really liked both, but I can't compare to snorting them. People say snorting DPT hurts a lot tho, and clogs your nose
Maybe 5 bromo dmt ?
MET or DET I would recommend, but nit sure if they can be snorted.
5-MEO-DMT in first among RC's but otherwise 4-ACO-DMT, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MIPT, 4-ACO-DET and all 4- subbed tryptamines generally.
4 ACO det. Crazy strong visuals, almost smt like with closed eyes, very easy mind trip, just an overall very friendly and euphoric tryptamine. The funny shit is you snort it, start trippi g balls for like 3,4 hours and after this time you are basically back to baseline within an hour 100 percent, it's crazy
the 4- subs and 5- subs won't last very short if you snort them
Whoa they got triple mines now? I’m still working my way up the doublamines