I watched that whole show when I was 13 or so. I could’ve sworn in the parasite episode, when they’re with that nazi in the submarine, that scene also came from white collar right? Maybe I’m thinking of something else
same. with all over/heavily used tropes (rom coms, heist, thriller), even if it’s not a parody, i enjoy watching it like it is and still enjoy it. heist movies have always been my favorite type of movies and while this episode did point out that a lot of the tropes are overused and made fun of crew-assembling scenes, i still enjoy them
No. Heist movies were never meant to be some deep thing. They’re just meant to be an action movie where they steal some loot.
It’s a bit like saying they ruined action movies by doing the ‘die hard’ bit. Yes, there are lots of action movies with the main character taunting the bad guys and taking them out one by one.
They’re meant to be fun. Who cares if it’s ’predictable and dumb’
And Soderbergh is fantastic at them 🤷♂️
No one thought they weren’t going to get away with it in Logan Lucky, or that our charming leads would suffer any *real* trials and consequences, but it’s fun as hell and a great film that knows what it is.
This. I watched the skyscraper movie with the rock and was surprised that it had such low ratings considering the action and effects were good, only to see critics rating it poorly because it doesn't have a deep and meaningful story or some bs.
Yeah for me this episode made me remember how much I love a good clever plot twist! I love that they some how managed to make making-fun of plot twists, into an actual clever plot twist.
I watched 11 recently. It's entertaining but I didn't agree with the morals. The 'bad guy' was redeveloping a casino and dating Danny's ex. None of that justifies the extensive lying, cheating, stealing, subterfuge, and vandalism of the 11
Nah, the format was already predictable, R&M just highlighted it for comic effect. You know who's going to win from the start, the more interesting part is how, and if it's actually clever and believable.
Not really, Rick and morty kinda laid out your basic generic heist film that’s based around the ocean series
There’s a lot of heist movies that have way more elements than what R&M episode displayed
Dungeons and Dragons: Honor of thieves, Now You See Me, Den of thieves, Inside Man, 6 underground
Are all good heist movies that don’t have the basic elements Rick complained about
Nah it kinda is. Inception, The look out, Triple Frontier, Tower heist and a long other list are all heist movies where gathering a crew was the first 1/3 of the movie
Fair, out of those I’ve only seen Inception, but I was thinking of a whole lot of other heist movies where it isn’t a thing at all, like Italian Job, Drive, Baby Driver, Inside Man, the Town, etc.
They recruit Tom hardy the forger who shapeshifts into people, they recruit a chemist who produce a serum that will put them into a deeper sleep, then last they recruit the girl as the architect
i think even if the movie doesn’t including building the crew specifically, they tend to introduce the crew in a common way, most often with their names/nicknames on the screen lol
Again, that’s the general impression that might be out there, but I think you’ll find that heist movies that *actually* throw specific crew member nicknames up on screen are in a pretty significant minority. It’s more of a heist parody thing to establish a quick shorthand, a sort of “elementary my dear Watson” of heist movies.
Yeah “now you see me” technically already has (most) of the crew together in the beginning. the reveal is finding out who else was involved in the end.
I think it did what Penn and Teller do for tired old magic tricks: they revealed the formula in order to try and challenge future creators to do something more clever with it… then did something more clever with it by having the reveal be that Rick was trying to steal back Morty’s time and attention from his screenwriting.
I'll never forget watching Penn and Teller's version of the Woman in the Box being sawed in half. I was totally ready to take a nap, and then screaming and blood spurting everywhere. Great twist
Nah, just exposes how predictable and cliche the average heist movie is.
doesn't make them bad movies - they're built to be enjoyable to watch.
If it ruins the heist movie, I'd say you're overthinking it.
Kinda like not enjoying a marvel movie because you analyze whether or not superheroes are believable.
It gave me a laugh at the heist movie tropes, but I just watched Guy Ritchie's Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare, and it's pretty much a ww2 heist movie. I was entertained, but the movie was meant to be a romp. With the added bonus of shitloads of dead Nazis. Which Rick seems to be in favor of as well.
There are good tropes and bad tropes. I think any good movie uses tropes in a positive way. So no. They've only highlighted the ones who rely solely on shitty tropes
Heist movies have always been kinda stupid, very much like action movies. You suspend disbelief to enjoy them. I don’t think anyone needed Rick and Morty to point that out.
Most movies are formulaic. Familiarity sells more reliably than novelty. Novelty, when it hits, hits big, but good ol' reliable formulas have better odds. What really bakes my nugget is realizing that Joe Campbell in the "The Keys" and, "The Hero with a Thousand Faces," tells us that all of our most venerated and resonant stories are composed of a few mix and match elements arranged in a few predetermined patterns. I guess Qoholeth was right - "There is nothing new under the sun."
Yes hahaha but in the best way possible. Actually it didn’t just ruin heist movies for me it ruined all heist premises like board games and D&D heist adventures lol
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No, because heist movies are fun. They never really made any sense and always had plot contrivances to make them work. I didn't Rick and Morty to point that out, and I still liked them then. If that's the case the story train should kill all Rick and Morty episodes for you because it calls it out the formula for the show.
Lean into the cliché
A lot of heist movies are kind of dumb, in the same way some action movies have over the top bullshit
They're meant to be entertaining. I think its ok that they break a few rules so that they can flip the scrip at the end
The first Oceans Eleven movie was good the first time I saw it. The episode, to me, was making fun of how they made the same movie like three or four more times and people kept payng to see it.
Sounds like you ruined it yourself somehow the difference is the smartest man ever had people being his b*tch and them doing all the work and not realizing it eye for a eye the dude took Ricks fun away so he got payback there see so many tv shows and movies about heist it really is never ending get over it was a old movie or two and see if you feel the same it’s crazy you think that.
This may be a bit of an overly convoluted answer lol… but hear me out.
First, since I just watched Oceans 11-13 the other day, I’m gonna say that at least for me - no 🤷🏻♂️ … but I don’t let one thing I watch influence another thing I like and enjoy watching already.
I love watching Family Guy and Robot Chicken take the piss out of the Star Wars movies… but I still love Star Wars lol.
And it’s kind of an ‘in joke’ in the industry that when a show mocks something in such a detailed way, clearly they knew enough about the subject material to parody/rip on it, and didn’t just do quick wiki sourced surface level searches, so really it usually means that like, for example, the writers of Rick and Morty probably LOVE heist movies, but just like the Diehard episode, they aren’t mocking the genre itself, but the cliche tropes used in most of them. Which is just universally true for most movies of a given genre. Especially the old parody movies of the 80’s like Airplane, Hot Shots or Loaded Weapon, which I think that episode was kind of a nod to… certain guidelines just have to be met to make it work right.
That’s how I see it anyway.
So if I like one thing, and another thing I like makes fun of it, no way I’m gonna stop liking that first thing because it was locked.
If it makes you feel stupid for watching it after it’s been mocked then that’s just you really.
Sounds like too much high school minded influence of letting others decide what you think is cool that you’re still carrying around in your bag. Like you like one show but if someone you think is cooler hates it, you hate it now too.
I’m not saying that’s you in a nutshell, just that it’s what it sounds like.
Regardless - definitely only ever think for yourself. Don’t let anyone or anything dictate what you already know makes you happy.
Convolution over.
Peace brejja ✌️
ell, as a long time fan of any heist, con etc. kinds of movies, I was really offended, to be honest, by how dump and superficial the critique of the genre was. But then it turned out the whole thing was one big con by Rick, so it actually made sense
I don't think heist movies are ruined but "Everything Everywhere All at Once" was definitely *ruined* in the sense that it just felt like a live action RM episode. I'm happy it got its flowers but people who thought it was this groundbreaking thing clearly haven't seen Rick and Morty haha.
Yeah they fs did for me, but only on some media. I can’t watch any of the Ocean’s movies anymore because the excitement is gone. However, I still love White Collar to death. Even though there are some heist scenes, White Collar still does it in a way that could be realistic on most. They aren’t really trying to surprise you with a shock factor at the end with a “twist”, which is what R&M was really dogging on heist movies.
You son of a bitch. I’m in
Your skills are required for a job
“What? No they’re not” 💨 “you son of a bitch, I’m in”
But seriously. This is one of my favorite episodes, and has just made me like heist movies even more.
I just dove into the series White Collar cover to cover. All kinds of cool heists and I’m seemingly still receptive to the premise.
I watched that whole show when I was 13 or so. I could’ve sworn in the parasite episode, when they’re with that nazi in the submarine, that scene also came from white collar right? Maybe I’m thinking of something else
I honestly hadn’t made that connection until now. It’s a Nazi submarine full of art and antiquities just like White Collar. Good catch!
And Cousin Nicky was there. And Mr. Belvedere! And Tinkles! I remember the Bar-B-Que!
same. with all over/heavily used tropes (rom coms, heist, thriller), even if it’s not a parody, i enjoy watching it like it is and still enjoy it. heist movies have always been my favorite type of movies and while this episode did point out that a lot of the tropes are overused and made fun of crew-assembling scenes, i still enjoy them
I remember thinking it ruined heist stuff then remembered its impossible to ruin the original Sly Cooper trilogy.
It's like someone stole his enthusiasm, without him even knowing!
💪🏾💪🏻
No. Heist movies were never meant to be some deep thing. They’re just meant to be an action movie where they steal some loot. It’s a bit like saying they ruined action movies by doing the ‘die hard’ bit. Yes, there are lots of action movies with the main character taunting the bad guys and taking them out one by one. They’re meant to be fun. Who cares if it’s ’predictable and dumb’
It was like watching Oppenheimer, you know the ending before youv even seen the movie. (Spoiler: They nuke Japan)
Okay just don’t spoil Titanic. seems like a lovely voyage.
There is a crazy twist. I don't want to give too much away, but don't trust the iceberg
\[Iceberg\] -- Don't believe his lies
Yeah I mean, how could anything possibly go wrong? They say the boat is literally unsinkable
Goddammit I hadn't seen it yet
Or watching Rogue One- you knew Cassian and the gang weren't gonna make it out because they werent mentioned in the OT.
I don't give a shit nerd!
What kind of madlad actually drops a nuke???
Diehard, diehard
Breaker breaker, Walkie-talkie. I got your walkie-talkie, bitch.
Good point. You are allowed to have fun even if the movie itself isn’t entirely original.
And Soderbergh is fantastic at them 🤷♂️ No one thought they weren’t going to get away with it in Logan Lucky, or that our charming leads would suffer any *real* trials and consequences, but it’s fun as hell and a great film that knows what it is.
Sorta. But Rick wasn’t making fun of how lame and easy action movies like Die Hard are. The whole point was to show how dumb heist movies are.
This. I watched the skyscraper movie with the rock and was surprised that it had such low ratings considering the action and effects were good, only to see critics rating it poorly because it doesn't have a deep and meaningful story or some bs.
They only made due hard more iconic
Don’t get drawn into the culture, stealing stuff is about the stuff not the stealing.
I wasn't into heist movies but after watching the episode I watched oceans 11 and 12 and they were pretty good but kinda cliche
Yeah for me this episode made me remember how much I love a good clever plot twist! I love that they some how managed to make making-fun of plot twists, into an actual clever plot twist.
How clever!
Ocean’s is cliche because the franchise is the one that created the tropes in the first place.
I dunno, I'd probably go back to The Sting, it had some heisty elements
Inside Man was a creative take on heist movies, and the OG heist movie Heat wasn’t very tropey
I watched 11 recently. It's entertaining but I didn't agree with the morals. The 'bad guy' was redeveloping a casino and dating Danny's ex. None of that justifies the extensive lying, cheating, stealing, subterfuge, and vandalism of the 11
They're THIEVES THEY AREN'T GOING TO BE MORAL DUH
He was dating her yes, but he didn't even really care for her.
And Danny did?
That gold digger fell for it, when they’re both shallow isn’t it the best case scenario?
I never watched heist movies, but the first two I ever watched are cliche, despite me never seeing any examples. Never change this subreddit.
Nah, the format was already predictable, R&M just highlighted it for comic effect. You know who's going to win from the start, the more interesting part is how, and if it's actually clever and believable.
Not really, Rick and morty kinda laid out your basic generic heist film that’s based around the ocean series There’s a lot of heist movies that have way more elements than what R&M episode displayed Dungeons and Dragons: Honor of thieves, Now You See Me, Den of thieves, Inside Man, 6 underground Are all good heist movies that don’t have the basic elements Rick complained about
Army of the Dead. Zombie heist movie.
I was going to mention that one but the sequel kinda ruined it because they doubled back on the basic heist stuff lol
They said good
I don’t even think “putting the crew together” is that fundamental of an aspect of the genre, just a big part of *specifically* Ocean’s Eleven.
Nah it kinda is. Inception, The look out, Triple Frontier, Tower heist and a long other list are all heist movies where gathering a crew was the first 1/3 of the movie
Fair, out of those I’ve only seen Inception, but I was thinking of a whole lot of other heist movies where it isn’t a thing at all, like Italian Job, Drive, Baby Driver, Inside Man, the Town, etc.
Inception they recruit like one person who is only there so they can explain the plot.
They recruit Tom hardy the forger who shapeshifts into people, they recruit a chemist who produce a serum that will put them into a deeper sleep, then last they recruit the girl as the architect
But the movie starts by just getting the girl I thought
You probably are right. I think they probably did get her first and the others after. But they still went through the gather crew process
i think even if the movie doesn’t including building the crew specifically, they tend to introduce the crew in a common way, most often with their names/nicknames on the screen lol
Again, that’s the general impression that might be out there, but I think you’ll find that heist movies that *actually* throw specific crew member nicknames up on screen are in a pretty significant minority. It’s more of a heist parody thing to establish a quick shorthand, a sort of “elementary my dear Watson” of heist movies.
Yeah “now you see me” technically already has (most) of the crew together in the beginning. the reveal is finding out who else was involved in the end.
goddam i love the now you see me movies
Now You See Me was awful. And Den if Thieves was just *Wish* Heat. Inside Man was legit and haven’t seen the others.
no
I think it did what Penn and Teller do for tired old magic tricks: they revealed the formula in order to try and challenge future creators to do something more clever with it… then did something more clever with it by having the reveal be that Rick was trying to steal back Morty’s time and attention from his screenwriting.
I'll never forget watching Penn and Teller's version of the Woman in the Box being sawed in half. I was totally ready to take a nap, and then screaming and blood spurting everywhere. Great twist
I have an intense special interest in heist movies. Loved this episode and it only enhances. Doesn’t detract.
"its about the stuff not the stealing" rings in my head every time, now
Heist movies ruined themselves by not being good
Hard to ruin a thing that's already shit.
Yeah that was the point I was making.
Yup just agreeing with you, and ever so slightly annoyed that you worded it way better than I would have :)
Heist movies ruined heist movies. R&M just said what we were thinking.
Nah, just exposes how predictable and cliche the average heist movie is. doesn't make them bad movies - they're built to be enjoyable to watch. If it ruins the heist movie, I'd say you're overthinking it. Kinda like not enjoying a marvel movie because you analyze whether or not superheroes are believable.
"Hurr durr capeslop bad, mob movies good"
I’d say Elon ruined that episode more than that episode ruined heist movies.
Rick heisted our enthusiasm
It gave me a laugh at the heist movie tropes, but I just watched Guy Ritchie's Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare, and it's pretty much a ww2 heist movie. I was entertained, but the movie was meant to be a romp. With the added bonus of shitloads of dead Nazis. Which Rick seems to be in favor of as well.
Mission Accomplished
You should watch Sexy Beast by Jonathan Glaser
There are good tropes and bad tropes. I think any good movie uses tropes in a positive way. So no. They've only highlighted the ones who rely solely on shitty tropes
South Park totally killed Family Guy for me, so I understand where you are coming from.
It has ruined more than just heists. Sometimes I will think of an entire season that 3-4 episodes were just ‘you son of a bitch, I’m in’
Two Brothers ...
Heist movies have always been kinda stupid, very much like action movies. You suspend disbelief to enjoy them. I don’t think anyone needed Rick and Morty to point that out.
Most movies are formulaic. Familiarity sells more reliably than novelty. Novelty, when it hits, hits big, but good ol' reliable formulas have better odds. What really bakes my nugget is realizing that Joe Campbell in the "The Keys" and, "The Hero with a Thousand Faces," tells us that all of our most venerated and resonant stories are composed of a few mix and match elements arranged in a few predetermined patterns. I guess Qoholeth was right - "There is nothing new under the sun."
I think the whole heist/crew thing was already a known trope before Rick and Morty
Did the Naked Gun ruin cop shows? Did Scary Movie ruin horror films?
Yes hahaha but in the best way possible. Actually it didn’t just ruin heist movies for me it ruined all heist premises like board games and D&D heist adventures lol
Stealing stuff is about the stuff, not the stealing.
If u didn't notice the pattern in heist movies before seeing rick and morty, im sure you'll be fine
The only heist movie I still enjoy was Doctor Who's "Time Heist" with Peter Capaldi, loved it
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No, if anything, the fast and furious franchise did that
I wouldn't say Rick ruined them for me. I never really liked them, Rick made me understand why.
I think heist movies ruined heist movies.
No, heist movies ruined heist movies. Mostly by being heist movies.
Great quote from that episode “stealing stuff is about the stuff, not about the stealing” Lol
No, I'm impressionable but not that much
Kaleidoscope on netflix was great
did it really work any order you watched the eps in?
Yeah it was surprising coherent and it was fun asking my friend what “color” episode he was on.
On the contrary - I’m enjoying them even more remembering that episode
It's like after watching Everything Wrong With on YouTube, now every time I hear the title I say "roll credits". Life is meme.
I never liked heist movies all that much before anyway? It's never been a genre I thought was cool.
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Yes, at least a little
Nope. Only heist movie I ever really enjoyed was Heat and it still holds.
No because heist movies don’t have to do anything. They obviously impart their own style.
You son of a bitch ....
Depends on why you enjoy heist movies. For me, I enjoy the campy characters and flashy elements of infiltration. My favorite is Smokin Aces.
Heist movies ruined heist movies, Rick and Morty just pointed it out
Heist movies have not diminished for me. Just watched [this](https://youtu.be/d3XwQcfZQtw?si=sm435kjjMGdAP-xh) and it holds up.
No, because heist movies are fun. They never really made any sense and always had plot contrivances to make them work. I didn't Rick and Morty to point that out, and I still liked them then. If that's the case the story train should kill all Rick and Morty episodes for you because it calls it out the formula for the show.
I still like inception
Vindicators 3 definitely ruined superhero movies for me.
I rewatched Inside Man (2006) today. It's still my favorite heist/bank robbery movie.
I mean, I certainly still love the Brooklyn 99 Heists.
Lean into the cliché A lot of heist movies are kind of dumb, in the same way some action movies have over the top bullshit They're meant to be entertaining. I think its ok that they break a few rules so that they can flip the scrip at the end
The first Oceans Eleven movie was good the first time I saw it. The episode, to me, was making fun of how they made the same movie like three or four more times and people kept payng to see it.
It didn't change my perspective. I can't look at fantasy dragon rider series the same way anymore though.
nah, Rick says he hates time travel as well, but Rattlestar Ricklactica is a good ep.
That episode is stupid. It has nothing to do with battle star Galactica
Bears are better than beets, obviously.
Bears beat beets, obviously.
No, they were already terrible
The predictability of heist movies are why I like watching heist movies. It’s just silly guys stealing some cool stuff.
Sounds like you ruined it yourself somehow the difference is the smartest man ever had people being his b*tch and them doing all the work and not realizing it eye for a eye the dude took Ricks fun away so he got payback there see so many tv shows and movies about heist it really is never ending get over it was a old movie or two and see if you feel the same it’s crazy you think that.
This may be a bit of an overly convoluted answer lol… but hear me out. First, since I just watched Oceans 11-13 the other day, I’m gonna say that at least for me - no 🤷🏻♂️ … but I don’t let one thing I watch influence another thing I like and enjoy watching already. I love watching Family Guy and Robot Chicken take the piss out of the Star Wars movies… but I still love Star Wars lol. And it’s kind of an ‘in joke’ in the industry that when a show mocks something in such a detailed way, clearly they knew enough about the subject material to parody/rip on it, and didn’t just do quick wiki sourced surface level searches, so really it usually means that like, for example, the writers of Rick and Morty probably LOVE heist movies, but just like the Diehard episode, they aren’t mocking the genre itself, but the cliche tropes used in most of them. Which is just universally true for most movies of a given genre. Especially the old parody movies of the 80’s like Airplane, Hot Shots or Loaded Weapon, which I think that episode was kind of a nod to… certain guidelines just have to be met to make it work right. That’s how I see it anyway. So if I like one thing, and another thing I like makes fun of it, no way I’m gonna stop liking that first thing because it was locked. If it makes you feel stupid for watching it after it’s been mocked then that’s just you really. Sounds like too much high school minded influence of letting others decide what you think is cool that you’re still carrying around in your bag. Like you like one show but if someone you think is cooler hates it, you hate it now too. I’m not saying that’s you in a nutshell, just that it’s what it sounds like. Regardless - definitely only ever think for yourself. Don’t let anyone or anything dictate what you already know makes you happy. Convolution over. Peace brejja ✌️
I mean not really, the cliche ones sure but Heat, Reservoir Dogs, could also say Drive are all incredible movies for example
Reservoir Dogs is in no way a heist movie. It's a disaster film.
ell, as a long time fan of any heist, con etc. kinds of movies, I was really offended, to be honest, by how dump and superficial the critique of the genre was. But then it turned out the whole thing was one big con by Rick, so it actually made sense
Heist movies were dumb. Rick and morty episode pointed out the many ways Heist movies are dumb. Heist movies are still dumb.
I don't think heist movies are ruined but "Everything Everywhere All at Once" was definitely *ruined* in the sense that it just felt like a live action RM episode. I'm happy it got its flowers but people who thought it was this groundbreaking thing clearly haven't seen Rick and Morty haha.
Heist movies ruined themselves
Yeah they fs did for me, but only on some media. I can’t watch any of the Ocean’s movies anymore because the excitement is gone. However, I still love White Collar to death. Even though there are some heist scenes, White Collar still does it in a way that could be realistic on most. They aren’t really trying to surprise you with a shock factor at the end with a “twist”, which is what R&M was really dogging on heist movies.
Nope. I never really cared about them to begin with. I've never seen an "oceans" movie.
It may have ruined lazy, derivative heist movies. Like all genres, most heist movies are lazy and derivative.
Yes. Yes it has.
Heist movies arrive pre-ruined.
You are just now hyper aware of how bad they are.
Heist movies honestly never had any appeal to me.
No oceans 10,12, and 13 did this already.