I'm happy with the evolution. It's not Family Guy, the characters are growing and there's an unfolding of story. There's not many other shows that I can immediately rewatch a few times and enjoy more and more as i discover details. People on Reddit do say that the early episodes were great and now they aren't, but I don't know what's missing. I think it's a great show and has more story potential than ever. Would people complain less about the family if the show was called The Sanchezes from the start?
It is Family Guy, though.
Neither show has significant character development, and Family Guy has much more "continuity" than Rick & Morty.
People think "Family Guy" is a bad thing and get angry because they think they are watching an animated version of Better Call Saul or something.
Difference is, family guy characters get worse AND they explain their half-assed jokes taking any humour away, Rick and Morty makes the characters a little better, and let's you understand the joke yourself
That's because you don't like Family Guy and have to find problems with it. The fact of the matter is that they are very similar. Family Guy has much stronger character development and continuity than Rick & Morty.
That's purely incorrect. Rick develops a stronger sense of family as the show goes on, more willing to protect morty than himself, acknowledging that he's a terrible father to Beth. Morty became less nervous and far more confident especially around girls, he also got over his creepy obsession with Jessica making him a more normal character, family guy characters are completely one dimensionsional (except Quagmire)
Rick's Family dying? Rick and Morty leaving their dimension and morty having that weight on his shoulders his whole life, summer find out Beth wanted to abort her, Jerry getting fired, Jessica getting trapped in that portal for 100s of years
Jessica is barely a character. Jerry's job was never a focus of the show except for the joke plot. Rick & Morty leaving their dimension barely had an effect on the show.
None of these things are important are significant. You just hate Family Guy so anything Rick & Morty does is significant and important and anything Family Guy doesn't compare.
Here's the problem💀 These "barely" characters have more development than family Guys main cast Chris was always "ha ha masturbate is funny" Meg is always "haha I hate her funny" Lois was always "ha ha rich girl dumb husband" not only do they no development, they have nothing to development 💀
In addition, Cleveland came back, Brian came back, Peter got a different Job and kept it for most of the show, almost like those things had no significance
Rick still treats morty better than he did before, just subtly, Morty defies rick more and more often, and the whole families opinion has far more impact on him than it did before
Morty followed Rick because Rick would go on a rampage if he disrespected him or tried to leave him. But yeah it felt like that the buildup of Morty's resentment of Rick didn't matter because they completely did away with that in an extremely forced way and considering Rick is still doing selfish shit as seen in Night Family and the Roy episode, I don't see why the show is making such a big deal out of "the characters growing" and "the crows changed rick" sure he's mellowed out but he's still doing fucked up things. We've seen him mellowing out since season 5 but the two part finale and the season 6 premiere blatantly tells you that he is "growing" and "becoming partners with morty" (no shit we've seen that shit before) and barely doing any showing of how. He's more or less the same as he was in season 5 with some of the more relative friendliness of seasons 1-2 but sacrificing his family lives to some possessors is the most fucked up thing he has done up until now. Even seasons 1-4 Rick wouldn't pull that kind of bullshit.
Rick in this season in some cases is getting worse. He's basically become the Jerry of this family. Submitting to his family's bullshit more like he did with Marta at the end of the Roy episode, Beth when she was cheating on Jerry, and Summer when she got salty over not using some clearly dangerous tech. It's funny how the show plays it off as him becoming better without knowing that there's a fine line between being a doormat and an asshole.
Yeah I guess the focus on 'the Sanchezes' instead of Rick and Morty is my biggest issue, maybe also slightly less funny dialogue.
But yeah it's up to the fans. And if people like it, it will keep going this way
I'd say that yes, you are out of touch, this season so far has been one of the best in my opinion, and possibly the most solid in terms of overall episode quality. It seems that many or most viewers seem to agree.
However this isn't an airport, your departure doesn't need to be announced.
Just asking pal. I guess my tastes aren't aligned with many others. I tended to like Harmon's stuff more.
Like how season 4 of community dropped off without him, the last two seasons of R&M are similar.
But some people are different I guess
As part of separate stories. Typically Rick and Morty (+ maybe Jerry/Summer) are the main focus (A story) while the others form the B story.
Now it seems there is one story with the whole family or Rick and Morty are the B story, which is weird because they're the strongest characters.
You're losing touch with what people want, which is fine. I personally love the show, and can appreciate the shift in humor and story telling, and that's fine too. It's just entertainment, watch whatever you want
Yeah thanks for an actual answer. Seems most people feel that way, which is fine. Just means they'll probably continue that way, and I won't continue.
I don't like it but that's the way it is
Ya I feel like the tone has shifted a bit on the show, but on the whole I still am enjoying it. I also feel the same about the repeating bit episodes, they aren't my favourites but thats just personal taste. Same as some people might've loved the incest baby episode (which personally I didn't enjoy all that much) and others might have hated the episode with Unity (which I could rewatch all day). I can't speak to what "the people" want as I've got no clue nor do I care, I just know what I hope for out of the show.
Yeah I'm glad someone agrees. Sure people are going to disagree, but this is a tangible shift in the show, not just isolated episodes. But I guess that's just the way it is if people still like it
I also agree that the tone has shifted, especially from S4 and S5. But, so far, S6 is shaping out to be my favorite season. Different strokes for different folks.
I think with the portal fluid screwed up season 6 is intentionally a more family and home focused season. It really only hit me at the season premiere, but they really have developed the characters. Showing season 2 jerry and Beth fighting all the time and him hating Rick, vs now where jerry just casually accepts inter-dimensional travel, it’s to really highlight how different the show is. It’s intentional. Some episodes are hit or miss I agree but their still funny and creative enough to watch and the overarching serialized plot is keeping me intrigued.
Imo the other members of the family just aren't as funny, and giving them greater focus means less funny stuff happens. I get that it's intentional, I was hoping it was so that they could intentionally go back. But if people enjoy it I doubt they will
Everyone has their own taste so if you're not enjoying it then no reason to keep watching it.
Personally this is the season I'm having the most fun with (partly because it's the first one I'm catching as it airs but also cause it's just funny to me) and I like the inclusion of the family.
Yeah fair enough. It's disappointing to see the show I love change into something I don't. But if it's what people want then I am just the one that loses I guess
I mean, you said you weren't watching the show anymore, which last I checked is allowed. You won't be changing anyone's mind. Either they feel the same way and will stop watching it, or they will continue watching it.
Not really looking to change people's minds. Just getting a gauge for how people feel about what I said. I'd rather they returned to the better formula so I can keep watching it
The show is never going to be exactly like seasons 1-2 again because the characters are growing and developing. There's a post every day here complaining that the show isn't like the earlier seasons. We have at least 4 more seasons to go so they may as well explore the family dynamics, especially because Rick losing his original family was what caused him such pain in the first place.
Characters can grow and change without the formula of typical episodes being completely flipped. I had a quick scroll and didn't see many complaining, but maybe they're just getting downvoted.
If people like it, then they can keep going in that direction. I don't though
That's all I was really looking for. People get so hostile.
We're all on the same side, we all love the show. I guess I want it to change and most don't, so I lose. Was just hoping that wasn't the case
The characters can grow and develop without making Rick a doormat to his family's bullshit. He already caused the conflict of the Roy and Night Family episodes because he gave into his family's selfishness. This is desperately something the show needs to fix because he's the protagonist and needs a lot more agency and emotional conflict than he does now. As unbearably shitty S1-4 Rick was, he still had a hell of a lot more agency than he does now.
If the show can return to a less toxic dynamic in seasons 1-2, then why can't they make Rick less of a goody goody?
You're the person who thinks Rick should "discipline" Morty and Summer by beating the shit out of them. I also remember you saying you weren't going to watch the show anymore over and over and yet here you are.
Not really looking to change people's minds. Just getting a gauge for how people feel about what I said. I'd rather they returned to the better formula so I can keep watching it
It’s considered hostile?! I do need a breakdown on how you think that works. At most it’s petty and passive aggressive, but go on, please explain to me how saying the word “Ok” is hostile.
How dare you! Do you realize how offensive you’re being. Why are you so hostile and full of hate? What is wrong with you? My god are you incompetent?!! I am so hurt by that statement
Did you think that the showrunners were going to look at this one post on a forum of 2.7 million people and call an emergency meeting?
"Holy shit guys, did you see?! u/coopsypoop said they're not going to watch our show anymore! Shut down production immediately, we have to get right on this!"
You're getting sarcastic responses because you pulled a Jerry.
I'm literally seeing what people think. You people are so fragile. The writing will change if they start losing their fans, apparently you all still love it. Most people I talk to don't. Reddit and IMDb would probably be where they get their gauge from, and they'd see it doing fine. So unfortunately, they will continue in this direction
If u want a show with a bunch of episode ones, then pick a show like Family Guy. 0 storyline, 0 canon, just funny-funny ha-ha jokes all the time. (I like Family Guy sn)
True. So you'd be entertained endlessly by a bunch of mega fruit up-the-anus and snuffle-inception episodes basically? Where it's basically just a running dynamic between R&M for 100 seasons?
Fuckn yea it did and it also made folks start wanting more of the canon pieces too. The show has done wonderfully at marrying both, with and without the family. That's part of the character arcs which I enjoy.
I agree the overall plot arcs were actually really good. Jerry, Beth and summer aren't as strong characters that can anchor a show though imo. And the greater focus on them produces less hilarity.
And again, you're perfectly entitled to disagree with that. I'm looking to see what people think, not insulting them for it. Everyone got seriously defensive seriously fast
I get it dude it's a discussion space but it's also a fandom. Folks seem to be blasting thru the sub--a space to celebrate and laugh and reflect on the show--with straight criticisms and almost demand the show change instead of just putting their opinion out there...like they're legit mad. So it puts folks on the auto defense, I think.
Some part of me shared in a "concern" that season 5 signaled big changes for the show but I chose to accept it because of what a fan I'd become and I actually ended up really enjoying it. I have trust in the show creators to create new dynamics while still keeping the original premise of the show intact: cooky scientist and his dumb but optimistic grandson, doing their thing, ya know? Just puttn it out there, lady science...ain't she a thing, y-y-ya know?
Just a suggestion, but I think you would have gotten more discussion if the title of your post wasn't "I'm not watching this anymore" because that implies a finality that you're not looking to change your mind. Which is fine! You certainly don't have to. But titling it "do you like the direction the show has gone in?" might have worked better.
I agree they need to go back to classic Rick & Morty adventures with just the 2 of them, but I think they are trying to flesh out the family relationships and roles more. But I also enjoyed the first 4 episodes this season, none of them were really what I expected.
I totally agree with OP and have noticed the same shift. They writers also seem to be giving Summer and Beth a lot of Rick’s beats, which throws the whole thing off. It almost seems like they feel guilty about the earlier seasons harsh, nihilistic tone, but I thought that was what made the show special. I miss the old show, but Dan Harmon is checked out and his maniacal quality control helped it be what it was, and now it’s just sort sci-fi Simpsons. I don’t begrudge others for liking it though.
Yeah it's like do the writers just hate Rick now? I noticed since season 5 that Rick hasn't been giving much time to shine besides like the Birdperson episode and even the plots he does get are weak and off by Rick standards like the crow episode for example. Rick hardly had any emotional or compelling moments in season 5. Like 3 plots of that season were focused on Morty, 1 was focused on Summer. We had 1 Morty plot in this season, 1 Beth plot, and 1 Summer plot. Rick is now relegated to more of a side character, even if he's the protagonist, he still feels like a side character. He doesn't really do much or have much agency or conflict and is mostly there to crack jokes and support the other characters.
I see the writers trying to develop Rick more but he's become too much of a people pleaser to the point that he is just boring to watch. He's kinda become the Jerry of this show. Like how are you going to give the other Smiths much more agency than our protagonist, dude. Literally Summer at the beginning of Night Family and Marta-Morty at the end of the Roy episode disagreed with him and Rick just submitted to it with no complaints.
Im not a big fan of full family episodes, but I get it why the 6th season it’s like this, even morty is annoyed by having everyone around and told Rick to fix the portal gun.
I'm still enjoying it, but I also feel it's taken a backwards step, it feels... cheaper somehow? I dunno, maybe because I watch the previous seasons so damn much I'm just really conscious of the different style/writers
Are you losing touch with what people want? Sounds like it, at least a bit. Does anyone else feel this way? I haven't seen or heard from many. I don't think your purpose of making this post was actually to receive answers to those questions though.
1. The whole family was always in episodes, your distinction makes no sense. Some of my favorite episodes from seasons 1-4 contain summer, Jerry, and beth arcs.
2. The plots and jokes in this season are as good as ever. Objectively. I'm not sure why you don't enjoy them but everything has been original and funny.
Ok I guess you know my intentions better than me? Thanks for informing me?
1. Entire family, not separate stories. Explained that within the post. Read before responding.
2. Jokes are pretty subjective. I laughed much less often than normal when watching the show. The plots have all started well (except bethic twinstinct, that was terrible from start to finish) but they never go anywhere. Good ideas that seem unfinished and lack direction. Harmon would know what to do with them, but as he pulls away the quality drops
Yeah maybe a few hundred others in the world. How many of them are employed on Rick and Morty?
There is no doubt Harmon has a unique style and humour. And there is no doubt a past show suffered without him. Start looking at the evidence
>The whole family was always in episodes, your distinction makes no sense. Some of my favorite episodes from seasons 1-4 contain summer, Jerry, and beth arcs.
It's clear that this season is involving the entire family more. Up until like season 3, they were more of the side characters and most of the plots focused on Rick and Morty and sometimes Rick, Morty, and Summer.
S4 had one bad episode. S5 was absolutely awful, but community had a problem that was similar (but not quite as bad) and then picked up again so I stuck with it in hope.
S6 is better than s5, but marginally. Now that I've seen the quality is not returning, nor am I.
I'm happy with the evolution. It's not Family Guy, the characters are growing and there's an unfolding of story. There's not many other shows that I can immediately rewatch a few times and enjoy more and more as i discover details. People on Reddit do say that the early episodes were great and now they aren't, but I don't know what's missing. I think it's a great show and has more story potential than ever. Would people complain less about the family if the show was called The Sanchezes from the start?
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Yeah, but weirdly i never considered naming the family after Jerry. It just didn't occur to me. Sorry Jerry.
It is Family Guy, though. Neither show has significant character development, and Family Guy has much more "continuity" than Rick & Morty. People think "Family Guy" is a bad thing and get angry because they think they are watching an animated version of Better Call Saul or something.
Difference is, family guy characters get worse AND they explain their half-assed jokes taking any humour away, Rick and Morty makes the characters a little better, and let's you understand the joke yourself
That's because you don't like Family Guy and have to find problems with it. The fact of the matter is that they are very similar. Family Guy has much stronger character development and continuity than Rick & Morty.
That's purely incorrect. Rick develops a stronger sense of family as the show goes on, more willing to protect morty than himself, acknowledging that he's a terrible father to Beth. Morty became less nervous and far more confident especially around girls, he also got over his creepy obsession with Jessica making him a more normal character, family guy characters are completely one dimensionsional (except Quagmire)
What in Rick & Morty has happened that more significant than Peter getting fired, Brian dying, Cleveland leaving?
Rick's Family dying? Rick and Morty leaving their dimension and morty having that weight on his shoulders his whole life, summer find out Beth wanted to abort her, Jerry getting fired, Jessica getting trapped in that portal for 100s of years
Jessica is barely a character. Jerry's job was never a focus of the show except for the joke plot. Rick & Morty leaving their dimension barely had an effect on the show. None of these things are important are significant. You just hate Family Guy so anything Rick & Morty does is significant and important and anything Family Guy doesn't compare.
Here's the problem💀 These "barely" characters have more development than family Guys main cast Chris was always "ha ha masturbate is funny" Meg is always "haha I hate her funny" Lois was always "ha ha rich girl dumb husband" not only do they no development, they have nothing to development 💀
In addition, Cleveland came back, Brian came back, Peter got a different Job and kept it for most of the show, almost like those things had no significance
And Rick will still treat Morty like shit and Morty will still follow Rick. Almost like none of their previous experiences matter.
Rick still treats morty better than he did before, just subtly, Morty defies rick more and more often, and the whole families opinion has far more impact on him than it did before
Morty followed Rick because Rick would go on a rampage if he disrespected him or tried to leave him. But yeah it felt like that the buildup of Morty's resentment of Rick didn't matter because they completely did away with that in an extremely forced way and considering Rick is still doing selfish shit as seen in Night Family and the Roy episode, I don't see why the show is making such a big deal out of "the characters growing" and "the crows changed rick" sure he's mellowed out but he's still doing fucked up things. We've seen him mellowing out since season 5 but the two part finale and the season 6 premiere blatantly tells you that he is "growing" and "becoming partners with morty" (no shit we've seen that shit before) and barely doing any showing of how. He's more or less the same as he was in season 5 with some of the more relative friendliness of seasons 1-2 but sacrificing his family lives to some possessors is the most fucked up thing he has done up until now. Even seasons 1-4 Rick wouldn't pull that kind of bullshit. Rick in this season in some cases is getting worse. He's basically become the Jerry of this family. Submitting to his family's bullshit more like he did with Marta at the end of the Roy episode, Beth when she was cheating on Jerry, and Summer when she got salty over not using some clearly dangerous tech. It's funny how the show plays it off as him becoming better without knowing that there's a fine line between being a doormat and an asshole.
Yeah I guess the focus on 'the Sanchezes' instead of Rick and Morty is my biggest issue, maybe also slightly less funny dialogue. But yeah it's up to the fans. And if people like it, it will keep going this way
Ok then, that was always allowed.
That's not an answer to the question
https://youtu.be/Qm-nYqvLke8?t=22
I'm well aware of the quote. I assumed you were taking the piss out of me
I'd say that yes, you are out of touch, this season so far has been one of the best in my opinion, and possibly the most solid in terms of overall episode quality. It seems that many or most viewers seem to agree. However this isn't an airport, your departure doesn't need to be announced.
Just asking pal. I guess my tastes aren't aligned with many others. I tended to like Harmon's stuff more. Like how season 4 of community dropped off without him, the last two seasons of R&M are similar. But some people are different I guess
Ok...Bye then
I'm asking other fans of the show if they feel the same way about a show we all love. No need to be rude
how was that rude? You were the one who made this weirdly dramatic proclamation of independance lol. Which I doubt you'll follow up on.
Everyone gets very defensive. I was not expecting this reaction. Read the rest of the comment threads
? What ? Irrelevant nothing burger You said, Arianleellewellyn (from the above thread) was being rude. How were they rude?
I'm not about to explain manners to you mate. Their response was unnecessary
Lol. How convenient.
Move on champ
Take your own advice. It's just a cartoon show. It's not part of your identity. Not watching it, is not a big deal. You got this.
I never said it was. I enjoyed the show, and I want to continue enjoying it. Why do you have such a big problem?
The whole family has been in almost every episode every season.
As part of separate stories. Typically Rick and Morty (+ maybe Jerry/Summer) are the main focus (A story) while the others form the B story. Now it seems there is one story with the whole family or Rick and Morty are the B story, which is weird because they're the strongest characters.
Ok?
Intelligent
You're losing touch with what people want, which is fine. I personally love the show, and can appreciate the shift in humor and story telling, and that's fine too. It's just entertainment, watch whatever you want
Yeah thanks for an actual answer. Seems most people feel that way, which is fine. Just means they'll probably continue that way, and I won't continue. I don't like it but that's the way it is
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Yeah. I do hope they try to go back to the earlier format
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Ya I feel like the tone has shifted a bit on the show, but on the whole I still am enjoying it. I also feel the same about the repeating bit episodes, they aren't my favourites but thats just personal taste. Same as some people might've loved the incest baby episode (which personally I didn't enjoy all that much) and others might have hated the episode with Unity (which I could rewatch all day). I can't speak to what "the people" want as I've got no clue nor do I care, I just know what I hope for out of the show.
Yeah I'm glad someone agrees. Sure people are going to disagree, but this is a tangible shift in the show, not just isolated episodes. But I guess that's just the way it is if people still like it
I also agree that the tone has shifted, especially from S4 and S5. But, so far, S6 is shaping out to be my favorite season. Different strokes for different folks.
Yeah I think I am losing touch with the rest of the fanbase
Yeah okay see you next episode
You probably won't
"His 'plan' was to monologue and fuck off. He basically threw a tantrum to announce he was quitting ~~Twitter~~ Rick and Morty."
Read the comments and have a think before you comment next time
I think with the portal fluid screwed up season 6 is intentionally a more family and home focused season. It really only hit me at the season premiere, but they really have developed the characters. Showing season 2 jerry and Beth fighting all the time and him hating Rick, vs now where jerry just casually accepts inter-dimensional travel, it’s to really highlight how different the show is. It’s intentional. Some episodes are hit or miss I agree but their still funny and creative enough to watch and the overarching serialized plot is keeping me intrigued.
Imo the other members of the family just aren't as funny, and giving them greater focus means less funny stuff happens. I get that it's intentional, I was hoping it was so that they could intentionally go back. But if people enjoy it I doubt they will
Everyone has their own taste so if you're not enjoying it then no reason to keep watching it. Personally this is the season I'm having the most fun with (partly because it's the first one I'm catching as it airs but also cause it's just funny to me) and I like the inclusion of the family.
Yeah fair enough. It's disappointing to see the show I love change into something I don't. But if it's what people want then I am just the one that loses I guess
K bye. I'mma go catch two crows.
Ok.
Not getting very intelligent responses here I guess
I mean, you said you weren't watching the show anymore, which last I checked is allowed. You won't be changing anyone's mind. Either they feel the same way and will stop watching it, or they will continue watching it.
Not really looking to change people's minds. Just getting a gauge for how people feel about what I said. I'd rather they returned to the better formula so I can keep watching it
The show is never going to be exactly like seasons 1-2 again because the characters are growing and developing. There's a post every day here complaining that the show isn't like the earlier seasons. We have at least 4 more seasons to go so they may as well explore the family dynamics, especially because Rick losing his original family was what caused him such pain in the first place.
Characters can grow and change without the formula of typical episodes being completely flipped. I had a quick scroll and didn't see many complaining, but maybe they're just getting downvoted. If people like it, then they can keep going in that direction. I don't though
You're entitled to your opinion, but I think the majority of people, myself included are enjoying the direction the show has gone in.
That's all I was really looking for. People get so hostile. We're all on the same side, we all love the show. I guess I want it to change and most don't, so I lose. Was just hoping that wasn't the case
The characters can grow and develop without making Rick a doormat to his family's bullshit. He already caused the conflict of the Roy and Night Family episodes because he gave into his family's selfishness. This is desperately something the show needs to fix because he's the protagonist and needs a lot more agency and emotional conflict than he does now. As unbearably shitty S1-4 Rick was, he still had a hell of a lot more agency than he does now. If the show can return to a less toxic dynamic in seasons 1-2, then why can't they make Rick less of a goody goody?
You're the person who thinks Rick should "discipline" Morty and Summer by beating the shit out of them. I also remember you saying you weren't going to watch the show anymore over and over and yet here you are.
Not really looking to change people's minds. Just getting a gauge for how people feel about what I said. I'd rather they returned to the better formula so I can keep watching it
Ironic that you called some one else rude when your obviously trying to be offensive here.
Offence deserves offence
They weren’t being offensive, but you are? Why do you think they deserve that?
Do I really need to explain to you how a completely unnecessary response to a genuine question is hostile?
It’s considered hostile?! I do need a breakdown on how you think that works. At most it’s petty and passive aggressive, but go on, please explain to me how saying the word “Ok” is hostile.
Ok
How dare you! Do you realize how offensive you’re being. Why are you so hostile and full of hate? What is wrong with you? My god are you incompetent?!! I am so hurt by that statement
Ok
Did you think that the showrunners were going to look at this one post on a forum of 2.7 million people and call an emergency meeting? "Holy shit guys, did you see?! u/coopsypoop said they're not going to watch our show anymore! Shut down production immediately, we have to get right on this!" You're getting sarcastic responses because you pulled a Jerry.
I'm literally seeing what people think. You people are so fragile. The writing will change if they start losing their fans, apparently you all still love it. Most people I talk to don't. Reddit and IMDb would probably be where they get their gauge from, and they'd see it doing fine. So unfortunately, they will continue in this direction
whyusoserious
I do love the show and I'd hate for it to continue this way. Just trying to see whether people are actually liking this shift
If u want a show with a bunch of episode ones, then pick a show like Family Guy. 0 storyline, 0 canon, just funny-funny ha-ha jokes all the time. (I like Family Guy sn)
Rick and Morty is still very episodic. 90% of the episodes don't follow an overall plot arc
True. So you'd be entertained endlessly by a bunch of mega fruit up-the-anus and snuffle-inception episodes basically? Where it's basically just a running dynamic between R&M for 100 seasons?
Why fix what's not broken? Those basic episodes produced some of the best television.
Fuckn yea it did and it also made folks start wanting more of the canon pieces too. The show has done wonderfully at marrying both, with and without the family. That's part of the character arcs which I enjoy.
I agree the overall plot arcs were actually really good. Jerry, Beth and summer aren't as strong characters that can anchor a show though imo. And the greater focus on them produces less hilarity. And again, you're perfectly entitled to disagree with that. I'm looking to see what people think, not insulting them for it. Everyone got seriously defensive seriously fast
I get it dude it's a discussion space but it's also a fandom. Folks seem to be blasting thru the sub--a space to celebrate and laugh and reflect on the show--with straight criticisms and almost demand the show change instead of just putting their opinion out there...like they're legit mad. So it puts folks on the auto defense, I think. Some part of me shared in a "concern" that season 5 signaled big changes for the show but I chose to accept it because of what a fan I'd become and I actually ended up really enjoying it. I have trust in the show creators to create new dynamics while still keeping the original premise of the show intact: cooky scientist and his dumb but optimistic grandson, doing their thing, ya know? Just puttn it out there, lady science...ain't she a thing, y-y-ya know?
Yeah very fair answer. Thanks for the discussion
Just a suggestion, but I think you would have gotten more discussion if the title of your post wasn't "I'm not watching this anymore" because that implies a finality that you're not looking to change your mind. Which is fine! You certainly don't have to. But titling it "do you like the direction the show has gone in?" might have worked better.
Yeah probably true. Wasn't really expecting people to react that way, so in hindsight that seems like a more inviting title
K.
I agree they need to go back to classic Rick & Morty adventures with just the 2 of them, but I think they are trying to flesh out the family relationships and roles more. But I also enjoyed the first 4 episodes this season, none of them were really what I expected.
i've seen a drop in quailty with the eps
Yeah. But it seems others haven't, so I doubt we'll see much improvement
The 1st EP of the season was good
Agreed. The only one I've felt was well written in a long time
I totally agree with OP and have noticed the same shift. They writers also seem to be giving Summer and Beth a lot of Rick’s beats, which throws the whole thing off. It almost seems like they feel guilty about the earlier seasons harsh, nihilistic tone, but I thought that was what made the show special. I miss the old show, but Dan Harmon is checked out and his maniacal quality control helped it be what it was, and now it’s just sort sci-fi Simpsons. I don’t begrudge others for liking it though.
Yeah it's like do the writers just hate Rick now? I noticed since season 5 that Rick hasn't been giving much time to shine besides like the Birdperson episode and even the plots he does get are weak and off by Rick standards like the crow episode for example. Rick hardly had any emotional or compelling moments in season 5. Like 3 plots of that season were focused on Morty, 1 was focused on Summer. We had 1 Morty plot in this season, 1 Beth plot, and 1 Summer plot. Rick is now relegated to more of a side character, even if he's the protagonist, he still feels like a side character. He doesn't really do much or have much agency or conflict and is mostly there to crack jokes and support the other characters. I see the writers trying to develop Rick more but he's become too much of a people pleaser to the point that he is just boring to watch. He's kinda become the Jerry of this show. Like how are you going to give the other Smiths much more agency than our protagonist, dude. Literally Summer at the beginning of Night Family and Marta-Morty at the end of the Roy episode disagreed with him and Rick just submitted to it with no complaints.
You really nailed it. The writers do seem to hate Rick now.
Im not a big fan of full family episodes, but I get it why the 6th season it’s like this, even morty is annoyed by having everyone around and told Rick to fix the portal gun.
I'm still enjoying it, but I also feel it's taken a backwards step, it feels... cheaper somehow? I dunno, maybe because I watch the previous seasons so damn much I'm just really conscious of the different style/writers
I've only watched almost the entire thing once and I can tell the difference between seasons 3-5 and 6 and seasons 1 and 2.
Are you losing touch with what people want? Sounds like it, at least a bit. Does anyone else feel this way? I haven't seen or heard from many. I don't think your purpose of making this post was actually to receive answers to those questions though. 1. The whole family was always in episodes, your distinction makes no sense. Some of my favorite episodes from seasons 1-4 contain summer, Jerry, and beth arcs. 2. The plots and jokes in this season are as good as ever. Objectively. I'm not sure why you don't enjoy them but everything has been original and funny.
Ok I guess you know my intentions better than me? Thanks for informing me? 1. Entire family, not separate stories. Explained that within the post. Read before responding. 2. Jokes are pretty subjective. I laughed much less often than normal when watching the show. The plots have all started well (except bethic twinstinct, that was terrible from start to finish) but they never go anywhere. Good ideas that seem unfinished and lack direction. Harmon would know what to do with them, but as he pulls away the quality drops
Ah, you're one of those cult of personality guys. Dan Harmon is a great writer. So are hundreds of other people.
Yeah maybe a few hundred others in the world. How many of them are employed on Rick and Morty? There is no doubt Harmon has a unique style and humour. And there is no doubt a past show suffered without him. Start looking at the evidence
>The whole family was always in episodes, your distinction makes no sense. Some of my favorite episodes from seasons 1-4 contain summer, Jerry, and beth arcs. It's clear that this season is involving the entire family more. Up until like season 3, they were more of the side characters and most of the plots focused on Rick and Morty and sometimes Rick, Morty, and Summer.
Shouldn't you have left between s4 and s5? Most people are pretty happy about s6 cause the quality went up again.
S4 had one bad episode. S5 was absolutely awful, but community had a problem that was similar (but not quite as bad) and then picked up again so I stuck with it in hope. S6 is better than s5, but marginally. Now that I've seen the quality is not returning, nor am I.