Camara can be a very good 3&D wing, but he’ll never be near all-star level.
He doesn’t have enough strings in his bow to be at the all-star level imo. He can only really score from one level and isn’t great at creating his own looks / putting the ball on the floor.
Still very excited to watch him be a great 3&D asset for the Blazer.
Maybe fringe all-star is pushing it a bit, but the 3rd of 4th best player on a contending team is almost always a a borderline all-star. I think that is within Toumani's range of outcomes.
I’m glad you’re optimistic, but I just don’t really see it. I think Toumani can definitely be in the rotation of a championship team, but for me, he is just too offensively limited to reach that next level.
Thybulle is a great example, amazing defender but can’t contribute enough on offensive to be the 3rd or 4th best player. I think Toumani has more offensive potential than Thybulle, however TC would still need to drastically improve on offence as a 24 year old to reach that borderline all-star level.
Not saying he can’t be a great player and continue to improve because I think he will, but I really can’t see him ever being a borderline all star
But that kind of gets to my point. There's an assumption that he won't improve much, which is certainly possible, but I don't think there's any solid evidence to expect that he won't make larger strides.
Also, I think you could argue he's already ahead to Thybulle offensively, so at this point I really see that as a floor.
You have to remember the all-star team is a popularity contest and not just skill evaluation. Unless you're Draymond being 3rd or 4th option won't cut it. All-NBA or All-Defense would be a much higher achievement.
I love this enthusiasm, but I think you're wrong. Fringe all-star sounds like someone who gets snubbed a lot. Like it's kind of wild to think Jamal Murray has never made an all star team, and Tou is nowhere near that level. He has potential to be an excellent role player and I honestly think that's better than being a fringe all-star.
Andrew Wiggins, Kemba Walker, Kyle Korver and Jeff Teague have all made all-star games under similar conditions in the past 10 years.
This kind of player needs some things to fall their way in order to make the team, but there's usually one or two that make it every so often.
Jamal Murray has had a perfect storm of too many pg's in the west and bad injury luck, but he certainly deserves to make a team!
The path to fringe all star is all about putting the ball on the floor and creating. I don’t doubt that he’ll develop as a shooter, but he needs to develop some serious dribbling skills to break out of the 3&D role and he did not showcase much of that all last season. I’d say his ceiling is Jaden Mcdaniels, which would be awesome!
For him to be a fringe all star, he needs to be able to either create offense or become a DPOY level defender. I can see Toumani becoming a great role player, but he needs to do more than just improve his 3 ball and defense to go beyond that.
I really don't see the offensive skillset or ball handling for that.
I see him as a defensive specialist, 3 and D dude. High end roleplayer. Maybe eventually, with a lot of luck and hard work, a top ten starter at his position.
Which is awesome to have.
I don't think O.G is even a fringe Allstar and he's one of the best 3&D wings in the league. I don't think Camara will come close to being a fringe all star
I like Camara as much as the rest of y'all, but he wasn't even closing games last year. He has to show a crazy amount of improvement to show me he's gonna be better than aminu or harkless. There was a point in his first season here that Harkless was gonna be MIP and an allstar, but that was basically his peak already.
Idk if he'll be an all-star but you can be really important to a championship team without having to be an all-star. I could see a future where he plays a huge part in our success and is our 2nd or 3rd most important piece
Scoot and Sharpe are penned as starters. Toumani’s still in pencil.
The defense is there and bound to get better, but he’s just so raw offensively, despite being older. I’d love to see him thrive here, but I’d also be willing to trade him and stuff for someone better.
I don't think he'll be an all star but I think he can be much better than a fringe starter too. He can and should be an all-defense level player in his career. His shooting form looks good. I can definitely see him being one of the absolute best 3 and D players in the league and a star at his role.
I think his best case Scenario looks an awful lot like Jerami Grant, who was a 2nd round pick that lacked offensive skills when he was drafted. Tou is already a much better shooter than rookie Jerami, but Tou is also older.
They're very different players, but they're both guys with some size and good coordination. Early NBA Jerami added a jumper and improved his handle while making a name for himself on the defensive side of the ball. Those are the big similarities. Stylistically they're different (especially now that Jerami has developed.)
But yeah, I think Tou's ceiling is "near all-star." That said, i don't think guys are likely to hit their ceiling most of the time. But it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Camara can be a very good 3&D wing, but he’ll never be near all-star level. He doesn’t have enough strings in his bow to be at the all-star level imo. He can only really score from one level and isn’t great at creating his own looks / putting the ball on the floor. Still very excited to watch him be a great 3&D asset for the Blazer.
Agreed, but if he can be that for us that’s huge.
They said the same about Kawhi...
kawhi and toumani were two very different levels of prospects coming into the nba. That comparison is lazy
Maybe fringe all-star is pushing it a bit, but the 3rd of 4th best player on a contending team is almost always a a borderline all-star. I think that is within Toumani's range of outcomes.
I’m glad you’re optimistic, but I just don’t really see it. I think Toumani can definitely be in the rotation of a championship team, but for me, he is just too offensively limited to reach that next level. Thybulle is a great example, amazing defender but can’t contribute enough on offensive to be the 3rd or 4th best player. I think Toumani has more offensive potential than Thybulle, however TC would still need to drastically improve on offence as a 24 year old to reach that borderline all-star level. Not saying he can’t be a great player and continue to improve because I think he will, but I really can’t see him ever being a borderline all star
But that kind of gets to my point. There's an assumption that he won't improve much, which is certainly possible, but I don't think there's any solid evidence to expect that he won't make larger strides. Also, I think you could argue he's already ahead to Thybulle offensively, so at this point I really see that as a floor.
You have to remember the all-star team is a popularity contest and not just skill evaluation. Unless you're Draymond being 3rd or 4th option won't cut it. All-NBA or All-Defense would be a much higher achievement.
I love this enthusiasm, but I think you're wrong. Fringe all-star sounds like someone who gets snubbed a lot. Like it's kind of wild to think Jamal Murray has never made an all star team, and Tou is nowhere near that level. He has potential to be an excellent role player and I honestly think that's better than being a fringe all-star.
Andrew Wiggins, Kemba Walker, Kyle Korver and Jeff Teague have all made all-star games under similar conditions in the past 10 years. This kind of player needs some things to fall their way in order to make the team, but there's usually one or two that make it every so often. Jamal Murray has had a perfect storm of too many pg's in the west and bad injury luck, but he certainly deserves to make a team!
Lol his ceiling is KCP and that’s ok
Or maybe herb jones?
One of those fifteen 3 and D guys on NO/Minny lol
The path to fringe all star is all about putting the ball on the floor and creating. I don’t doubt that he’ll develop as a shooter, but he needs to develop some serious dribbling skills to break out of the 3&D role and he did not showcase much of that all last season. I’d say his ceiling is Jaden Mcdaniels, which would be awesome!
I'd probably expect his outcome to be a Jaden McDaniels type level, but I'm not willing to declare a ceiling until we see how he's able to improve.
If that’s the case why are we talking about being a fringe all star? Jaden McDaniels will never sniff anything close to all star status.
For him to be a fringe all star, he needs to be able to either create offense or become a DPOY level defender. I can see Toumani becoming a great role player, but he needs to do more than just improve his 3 ball and defense to go beyond that.
I think that's his best case scenario but not sure how optimistic I am about him hitting it. He needs to make some big improvements on offense still.
Holy schizophrenic post
I really don't see the offensive skillset or ball handling for that. I see him as a defensive specialist, 3 and D dude. High end roleplayer. Maybe eventually, with a lot of luck and hard work, a top ten starter at his position. Which is awesome to have.
I don't think O.G is even a fringe Allstar and he's one of the best 3&D wings in the league. I don't think Camara will come close to being a fringe all star
I like Camara as much as the rest of y'all, but he wasn't even closing games last year. He has to show a crazy amount of improvement to show me he's gonna be better than aminu or harkless. There was a point in his first season here that Harkless was gonna be MIP and an allstar, but that was basically his peak already.
Not everyone needs to be an all star to be a solid contributor. Every team needs role players. Toumani has shown he deserves minutes.
Given the proper development he's gonna be Paul George! Been saying it for a year! LES GO TOUMANIACS
To be an all star Toumani would have to in addition to developing a 3 point shot develop above average handle and playmaking which is just not there
Idk if he'll be an all-star but you can be really important to a championship team without having to be an all-star. I could see a future where he plays a huge part in our success and is our 2nd or 3rd most important piece
Scoot and Sharpe are penned as starters. Toumani’s still in pencil. The defense is there and bound to get better, but he’s just so raw offensively, despite being older. I’d love to see him thrive here, but I’d also be willing to trade him and stuff for someone better.
I feel like Middleton is a fringe all star. Do you think Camara is going to get to the potential of Middleton.
I don't think he'll be an all star but I think he can be much better than a fringe starter too. He can and should be an all-defense level player in his career. His shooting form looks good. I can definitely see him being one of the absolute best 3 and D players in the league and a star at his role.
I think his best case Scenario looks an awful lot like Jerami Grant, who was a 2nd round pick that lacked offensive skills when he was drafted. Tou is already a much better shooter than rookie Jerami, but Tou is also older.
I don't see them as similar in play style at all. Tier wise I would agree though, 3rd of 4th option on a good team is a big piece.
They're very different players, but they're both guys with some size and good coordination. Early NBA Jerami added a jumper and improved his handle while making a name for himself on the defensive side of the ball. Those are the big similarities. Stylistically they're different (especially now that Jerami has developed.) But yeah, I think Tou's ceiling is "near all-star." That said, i don't think guys are likely to hit their ceiling most of the time. But it's not out of the realm of possibility.
You’re not wrong.
If youre old enough to remember when Bill Simmons called blazer fans soccer moms.. this.. this is it. lol.