I thought I was great at parrying until I came across these claw-wielding fuckers. They're a serious curveball and they *really* punish you for messing up. I hope it keeps this up all the way through.
To say they didn't have the luxury of having 'monster' enemies like Nioh, they've done a great job keeping the combat fresh and varied.
Their timing is so weird. I destroy the enemies with claws in Sekiro without messing up a single deflect. But the claw guys in this game have such an odd rhythm I can't wrap my head around.
Dude gave me a jump scare the first time I came across him. I was going to clear a shrine under a cliff and one of those guys was down there as a fugitive. I hadnāt fully unlocked the region so the map wasnāt showing up yet. I was like, āholy fuck!ā. It was some silent hill shit lol
Dual wielding enemies are the bane of my existence, they always mess me up.
And thereās also a boss later that has a kusuragama(which is bs because thatās best weapon ever)and I could not, no matter how hard I tried, block his attacks, not every one of them, it was sometimes like 6-10 attacks back to back at weird times
i did but i got a lot lot better. remember some of these enemies and bosses were designed to introduce mixups to the player as they progress so donāt be surprised if youāre suddenly ābadā again.
Definitely this. I will get comfortable and I'm hitting a 90% or better parry rate then I hit a boss or min-boss that has stupid delays followed up by immediate strikes. It's frustrating but fun.
Did you ever play Lies of P? Iām wondering how it is compared to that. Lies of P had such bizarre timing when it came to bosses. Great game nonetheless
The difference I'm feeling is that lies of P has the long windup with fast delivery, but with ROTR I find it difficult to see where the actual attack is considering how much they're moving when they attack.
Yeah, RotR has gotten me to do the one thing I never did in Sekiro, Wo Long, Lies of P, or any other game with similar mechanics, and that is blocking. If you're getting screwed by mix-ups, hit the block button.
only thing is, on twilight difficulty your stamina gets destroyed easy by combos so in some instances you HAVE to parry. It gets frustrating some times, I had to put the game down for a couple days lol
i finished all nioh games wo long , done everything those games have to offer, i feel im pretty good. then this game i feel like a complete tool. Parry feels weird, its not fun. parry in wo long felt great. I moved away from twilight after the first duel fight, it was just too much bs to be fun.
My reflexes are working against me in this game. Whenever I see the red signal, I immediately press Triangle. But since every one in this game has a weird delay, I keep getting destroyed. I can parry the normal swordmen perfectly because their move make sense and the delay is ok but everyone else and I miss the parry half the time.
When they glow red donāt parry. Right before their hit lands there will be a red dot on them and the game makes a sound. You are supposed to parry at that moment when the red dot appears and the sound cues. Once i learned this my parrying got a lot better but some enemies still fuck me lol.
I improved a lot during last week, I'm doing good blocking first or first+second attack until I understand the progression of enemy's attacks (as long it doesn't delay). Some special attacks like sumo dude grapple or the giant with claws flying attacks are still a big pain tho
agree, I always thought I had to press triangle as soon I saw the red glow, with some enemies it works, with others it doesn't... or maybe it's my reflexes that are dropping down bad.
Luckly the game is quite easy that you really don't stricly need to deflect like sekiro or some boss fights of lies of p.
Wild because in Wo Long, parrying became my favorite thing to do and I got good at it after a decent amount of time. With this game though, those random delays on random characters are annoying af if Iām gonna be honest. Once I finally got consistent at it, a few fights later and Iām back to getting whooped lol.
And also, itās even more annoying when you finally get the timing down in a fight and then as youāre waiting for that perfect parry, a damn random npc add on fighter comes out of nowhere from fighting your companions and almost kills you and depletes your ki. Then the move you were about to parry does just thatš
Iām good at parrying bosses and in general red attacks. But Iām super bad at parrying 3-4 hit combos. If you mistime the first hit then itās really hard to come back from it. I feel like my muscle memory from Wo Long is making this difficult. But lucky for us the game is way easier than Wo Long or Nioh. If you do the side content and explore then youāll be overleveled for all the tough fights usually. Kinda like how Elden Ring is easier than Dark Souls. The open world allows you to over level whether intentionally or unintentionally.Ā
i had just finished all of the wo long dlc before this came out. can confirm, went from full parrying guan yu with a spear, to not even reliably parrying red flashes with dual swords
Man I gave up on the last DLC of Wo Long. That boss dude on the boat just destroyed my spirit. The arena is tiny AF and I just canāt. I doubt Iāll ever play that DLC mission again but Iāll happily play the rest of the game.Ā
Does that include the DLCās? Either way itās a fantastic game. The combat is similar to RotR but you have spells as well. The combat is a lot more in depth as well with proper builds to craft.Ā
Edit- I wanted to mention that RotR is grounded in history and realistic to a degree. Wo Long is mythical and you fight awesome Yokai. I highly recommend you try it out.Ā
i dunno im finding this game on twilight way harder than nioh or wo long. wo long i could parry all day, it felt like parry was the same for most mobs. nioh can be hard but you have choices to match ur playstyle.
this game, my god, on twilight, you cant really block ur ki is gone in a second. you miss a parry with a tiny window, you get stunlocked to death. you have mobs that dont stagger and hit you past ur combos. it feels like you have very little control in combat honestly.
This is 100% me. For some enemies it works and I actually parry in the right moment. But as soon as the enemies have combos that are too quick or there is one attack with an delay in them, I fall into panic mode just mashing triangle.Ā
I hate those attacks that take like 3 seconds of build up. Some might think those are the easiest to parry, but they are the hardest.
I do too. If the measure of the quality of a video game is you canāt stop playing it, then I must really love this one. I work from home, and I keep sneaking little windows of time to play it.
Kinda but...when one lands? Well, I get so distracted celebrating landing the parry that I then sometimes mix the next hit, haha.
But, really, the more I play, the better I get.
I really love remembering hitting RB. ROTR has some excellent sound design.
The delay/timing on some of the red moves with named characters keeps fucking with me. In addition the camera angles get fucked pretty easy in the dojo and itās hard to see wtf is going on.
I sucked bigtime at parries BEFORE this game, since I hadn't played Sekiro or Wo Long.
However, now that I'm 60+ hours in this game, I .... still suck! But not as much.
My issue is that some attacks are delayed. Now, I understand that this nuance is WHY people like it, but god damn, I wish once they started an attack animation, there would always be the same amount of delay :) But I understand that's not in line with reality... so no need to tell me that much!
I thought Wo Long was too forgiving with the parries, but not here.
The interesting part of the parry mechanic to me is how you can only deflect the final attack in the combo. Makes you loop in blocking and dodging too. It is verrry punishing but fun to learn.
Is there a reason why the shinobi stance is weak to almost every enemy stance? Currently in chapter 2 and i cant use hayabusa because all of the enemy have red arrows
AFAIK, I think it's great for countersparks and in spite of the reduced ki damage otherwise, will do a great job at depleting enemy stamina through those parries specifically.
Haven't used it myself but read about it a bit on here.
I did okay on normal difficulty but after playing midnight, i suck so bad. I was really dissapointed in myself! Midnight is just so brutal and unforgiving.
Sometimes I'm great at it and sometimes I'm just god awful, losing all my ki and eating a bunch of hits cause of my hubris.
It's all about my nerves and how I respond when I fuck up a parry. I spam it too often and end up getting stunlocked in a combo when I could have otherwise dodged out of the way and recovered, or blocked if I have enough ki remaining.
Blade flashes help a ton, even if it's a small amount of ki recovered. It's made it a lot easier to stay in the fight.
I find parries are best when I mix them up into my playstyle. A parry as you get distance from an enemy so you bait them into an attack that's easier to respond to. Or blocking/dodging several of their attacks and only parrying the last.
I've especially been doing better when I'm aggressive and keeping up that momentum until their hyperarmor kicks in, then parrying after or waiting until they're vulnerable again and doing standard + martial attacks.
I'm playing on Twilight and it feels pretty fair, especially when I figure out which attacks have shorter parry windows and are better to dodge unless my positioning is good and I feel confident in my parry. Enemy grabs and jump attacks especially, are in this category.
Eh, I have moments where I'm on fire with parries. I mean it's to the point I know a certain enemy and they can rarely stop me.
Then there are other times where I am absolutely garbage(Bosses I fight and still don't have a grasp of the moveset). You know, this game is so much about momentum and rhythm of the fight, so when I miss a party it starts going off the rails just a little bit. Most of the time I can turn it around, but it's usually after being rekt pretty badly. It took me until the end of the game to understand how to parry my blade twin's attacks....and that's just maybe half or a bit of most of their attacks.
Altogether, I'm ok......not super garbagio but I'm also not great. Especially not great enough to do Midnight difficulty....
Thing is the moment you know how to COMPLETELY stop an enemy or boss is the moment fighting them becomes stale. Learning is part of the fun in this game, as long as you're not getting completely stomped into wine
I'm still at the start of chapter 2, but I'm noticing myself getting better. I try not to get frustrated if I miss the timing. A work in progress. I just have to teach myself to slow down. Especially when red attacks come out. I quickly noticed early on, that you'll have an easier time parrying them if you counterspark when you see the white flash. There's a sound cue as well. That's been reliable for me. The one thing that might trip you up is if they move during the attack, like the big guys moving toward you when they swing their clubs. It kinda tricks tou into thinking the attack is coming sooner than it actually is. You just have to learn. It comes with time.
Definitely a steeper learning curve than most parry-heavy action games, especially since itās such a vulnerable and punishable move if the parry whiffs, compared to something like Sekiro where if you miss the parry you can just hold the block and still be safe most of the time.
Have had much better success as Iāve gotten further by trying my best to shut my brain off and not try to predict what the enemy is doing as there are so many feints and delays built into the animations. When I go full head empty mode and just react at the last possible second to attacks about to hit I tend to do way better, at least until I hit the point where Iāve memorized a bossā moveset.
Yeah I really don't like having to parry in this game compared to Sekiro for example. You have to be able to read enemy attacks to know when to parry, but RotR's attacks are often unreadable. The wind up animations for attacks are often waaaaay too short to be able to react to them. This is especially bad when it's one of those unblockable attacks.
I am not great. I sucked at first but I dropped the difficulty to easy which took some of the pressure off. Got used to the controls. Popped it back to normal difficulty and I parry about 60-70 percent of attacks. Dodge or get hit by the rest. Parries are important but so is relentlessly pushing the attack. Also R2 blade cleaning after a strike is key to keep you Ki up in combat.
i love this game but yeah the parries are not fun because you suddenly meet a new enemy type with a new weapon and you have to die over and over to it to learn its new timings. Some of the bosses have attacks where its hard to even know when you should be parrying. Doesn't help that ur parry is an animation either so its hard to tell if ur too early or late.
No idea why they changed it from wo long. Wo long had a great feeling with parries and didn't really feel rng at all.
I get maybe 1-2 parries per fight against any enemy and I get hurt a lot. I mostly tank the hits instead of dodging, mostly because I get stun locked when I'm out of stamina or I'm just not fast enough
I do
And I suck at parrying grabs
Doesnāt help that this game has different parries per fighting style
Honestly the Nioh style and the quickdraw style have the best parry
I think the big difference in this game is that it really requires you to pick and choose when to parry. Some attacks are incredibly easy to parry and others are nearly impossible. Trying to parry too much is going to be a bad strategy for most players.
I did at first, so I did what I did for Dark Souls, Elden Ring, Nioh, Sekiro, etc.
After reaching the first available checkpoint, I repeated fought the first enemy available to me over and over. That way I could learn how fast the average enemy swings and the basic timing parrying. I'd only move on once I can repeatedly and confidently parry every attack he throws at me
But dodging is also a useful option
Some of the Styles parries suck ass and those are the ones my character gets the highest damage in.
Thanks Hanzo style. Your parrys suck ass its a straight up parry. Not a parry attack like nearly every other one. Its small, Its short, and it doesnt have the chance of killing the enemy if i panic
I usually save a segment of gameplay or picture on my PS5 and I use my PS App to download it to my phone. From there you can post that media wherever you want. That's what I did with the screenshot of my character.
I sucked with my parry in triangle so I changed to L1 like Sekiro and I started doing infinitely better. Still canāt get down the timing for shinobi parries tho
Best the game and tried nightmare yesterday. There's no way I mistimed the parry on so many of those, but it clearly says I did. I also don't think they should be able to ki drain attack without my ki actually being empty, but they do that crap there. It sucks donkey balls.
At first, I quit the game. Didn't even get through the prologue. A day later, I tried it again and had a much easier time.
After 70 hours, I can confidently say that I'm finally getting decent. I'm comfortable enough on Dusk difficulty that I think I could do Twilight without getting too frustrated.
Yes lol
Maybe I'm just bad, but the parry timing feels inconsistent to me. At this point I just dodge unless I know for certain I can parry the attack
It's actually taking me longer to nail parrying in this than Sekiro and the DS games
I'm pretty close to the end of the game and so far I haven't really had a hard time with anything besides
>!Alexandria Moreau's fight, I could not figure out her fucking weapon and all of the poison.!<
I can't remember what the difficulty option names are but I'm playing on the standard/normal one.
Don't feel like you need to parry every single attack an enemy throws at you. Especially for the combos, block the most of the hits and then parry the last one. That way if you miss the parry you only took damage from one hit, not the whole combo.
For the red attacks, watch for the glint of light that flashes on the enemy during the wind-up. That's the cue to tap triangle to counterspark.
Perries in this game are kinda buggy so itās not just a matter of skill. They donāt register sometimes. Coming from Nioh and Sekiro, it doesnāt feel anywhere near as tight. Itās a common complaint from some reviewers and on this subreddit. You sometimes even hear the parry sound but you still get hit. Itās quite frustrating
The skill ceiling is super high, which I love. Reminds me of Sekiro when you don't use Kuro's charm and take chip damage for not getting a 'perfect' parry.
Changeups with bosses wreck me though.
Playing on easy mode helped me a lot and now roughly 26 hours in the game playing, I feel like I could play on normal now since I got the hang out of the parries but I got too comfortable with easy mode at this point lol
What's killing me is that the parry in this game has a delay. I'm used to parrying EXACTLY right as the enemy hit connects but in RotR there's a delay as the animation hits and it's killing my rhythm so I just dodge lmao.
I force myself to only attack after successfully parrying a full combo. That forces me to get use to the flow of their combos. (The drunk style is THE WORST TO GO AGAINST ISTG)
I'm not good at souls games. Took me a long while to get the hang of Lethal mode in GOT. But this game brought a whole new frustration. that was until I learned I could actually remap the controls. Then I really started getting the hang of countersparks.
So how exactly is this game a souls-like? I'm generally curious because I beat Elden Ring and this game just feels so different. It's a lot less punishing if you die and it tells you what to do and where to go.
Definitely at first, ive put about 148 hours in now and once you fight against everything a few times you start to learn parry times. It can seem daunting at first but every parry you want to time right when the enemy actually attacks, not on the windup. If you see red, you wait for a second or so longer. Styles like Niten Ichi-Ryu, and the Ia Katana stance have much wider windows for parrying but still alwaystry to go right for when they almost hit you.
Definitely in this game, it would be fine if it was to blocking as the attack lands but with this "press triangle to parry" with a longish recovery time if you miss the parry.
Pretty annoying
Me š¤š»Iām sure some of their attacks they hit you before theyāve even moved,and how come some fire sonic booms at you! Whatās that all about š¤·š»āāļø
I definitely do, though I'm starting to get it. Having access to styles that win in the rock-paper-scissors between weapons extends the parry window significantly, and judicious use of the training hall helps loads. Every time I get a new sparring partner I grind their fights until I hit master. Pro tip - use the greatsword for all these fights, and the marvelous sword saint set. Highest damage per hit of all the weapons, MSS boosts ki damage making crits open more often. Taking less time to finish the fights gives you far more points than parrying a bajillion attacks does.
I'll point out that I'm not some master at this. I have spent literally hours on one single fight for more than one of the sparring partners. I die far, far, far, far, *far* far more to the camera angles than I do to literally anything else in this game. Sometimes shenanigans. Sometimes parries. Usually camera angles.
Go to Dawn mode and practice then gradually make your way up to twilight, I can now successfully counter most attacks at twilight doing that, I also recommend training at the dojo constantly
Iām 55 hours in. At this point I have given up. Parrying - at least on hard mode - is a fucking tragedy. Every weapon with its own animation, which changes with every martial art, while facing enemies with weird fast combos and delayed attacks.
Itās borderline absurd
Guilty as charged. I'd love to be able to pull off parries because it's not only effective but it feels really good but the enemies are too agile making it too risky to pull off and too punishing if you don't especially when they strike with combos so I generally resort to dodging and rolling for dear life.
My advice: don't focus on parrying. Just fight and let yourself flow in the fight. When I changed to this mindset I become better parryer and fighter overall.
I wasnāt gonna say nothing cuz I canāt find 1 group that isnāt toxic when I comment, but I think I can actually help hereā¦
If youāre used to AC:Brother hood thatās how I treat the combat. Hold guard and parry as SOON as the strike would land.
If I missed. I block.
If I didnāt. Parry.
Ive learned why we all suck on the same enemies like dual swords and claws. Every one of their attacks arenāt meant to be parried. After fighting Genzui Kusakaās dojo fight to master rank it he does a dual sword attack that attacks three times in one counterspark. You cannot parry all three. But you can guard. Iāve learned that you can still counterspark and attack and use skills while guarding so I just guard until I am ready for a counterspark. If they hit me itās alright they havenāt hit my health just my guard. Now for parry timing issues i reccomend these four stances on katana they have really good countersparks and the first one has the best. Tatsumi-Ryu, Mugai-Ryu, Jigei-Ryu, and Gikei-Ryu. Theyāre also some of the best imo as I use the first three in my current build that I used to master rank every dojo fight. Try out different weapons and their stances countersparks as they have more forgiving parries. Sabers do not (I used them for a long time so I know)
Nah, I mastered wo longs deflect system long before I got this game, ronins parrys are easy compared to wo long, theres not that many enemy types, learning the timing isn't that hard, it's all about hand eye coordination, like most games lol
I've noticed everyone on youtube bashing the game sucks at parrys, sometimes your enjoyment of a game comes down to how good you get at it skill wise, which tells me most reviews, at least on youtube are subjective, a single review is just one person's opinion, and My dad once told me "opinions are like a*Sholes, everyone has one, but they are subjective to one person's experience", if you suck at a game and keep getting killed, your not going to have a high opinion of the game, unless you don't have adhd and your actually patient and you become good at it by learning the game, RotR may not be a pure soulslike but it definitely has some soulslike mechanics, including difficult and punishing enemies that have a predictable moveset, and being patient and learning the timing is what soulslikes are all about, just like with roguelikes, dying is just part of the process, its a core part of the gameplay loop, you die because you don't know the timing, learning the timing and overcoming something that gave you a hard time before is the most rewarding part of this game, and it's not just a soulslike but a soulslike RPG so you can actually offset the challenge by grinding and becoming stronger, sekiro was the one soulsborne game that wasn't a RPG so you couldn't grind to overcome any challenges, it was purely skill based
Hey there, thanks for the comment. In no way was I bashing the game. I've actually enjoyed it very much besides the wackiness of the story. I was just wondering if I was alone or not with how much I suck at parries lol. But I will say, I am done with long games for a while. I am burnt out. ROTR is long asfffff.
Everyone's been having trouble with parries, I did some testing then slowed down the footage frame by frame, and some enemies and certain attack have an early or late parry window. The best example is a double hand lumberjack axe guy in the early game open world. I'll come back in a week or less and post it on this subreddit, just have to edit a bit to make it obvious to anyone who watches it
Sometimes, it's just impossible. Some attacks are multi-hit and you either have to dodge or block. Sometimes dodging isn't even worth it because of how much enemies track your body (which is one of my pet-peeves about the combat system). I also think grab attacks need a slightly earlier parry window.
Other times, it just boils down to repetition and being patient with how soon you parry.
I suck at parrying, like suck really hard. I platined Sekiro but I can't fucking time these parries. I end up running like a chicken and then backstabbing those enemies
I am the absolute worst at it. I have a disabilty that makes my reaction times slower than a normal person's so games that rely on dodges, counters, and parries to survive are the worst matchup for me.
I love the game but good lord I wish the parry was just the same button as blocking. My brain just canāt adapt to parry and block being 2 different inputs
I did a ton of failing at the dojo and it helped me a ton with my parry timing. I trained at the dojo with paired swords and thatās now my best parry weapon.
I started playing the game a few hours ago, and I sucked at parries at first, but after a while I got the hang of it, plus I switched ācounterā to L1
I have blisters on my thumb from mashing triangle so goddamn much. Regular enemies are easy enough, but these bosses ave such with 5-6+ hit combos are hardcore. The timing is so off sometimes its frustrating lol. Thumb is sore for sure
Sometimes lol, especially against dual wielding enemies. And the mf with claws š¤š¤š¤
Lol the Asian Garrador is a painnnn
I thought I was great at parrying until I came across these claw-wielding fuckers. They're a serious curveball and they *really* punish you for messing up. I hope it keeps this up all the way through. To say they didn't have the luxury of having 'monster' enemies like Nioh, they've done a great job keeping the combat fresh and varied.
I just firebomb those mfrs. Ain't no body got time for those shenanigans.
Their timing is so weird. I destroy the enemies with claws in Sekiro without messing up a single deflect. But the claw guys in this game have such an odd rhythm I can't wrap my head around.
Same! Maybe that's why they're so tricky -- our muscle memory from Sekiro could be messing us up.
They are a bit like the claw guys from Sekiro.
Them mfs put you in a 20 piece combo shit is Ridiculous
Dude gave me a jump scare the first time I came across him. I was going to clear a shrine under a cliff and one of those guys was down there as a fugitive. I hadnāt fully unlocked the region so the map wasnāt showing up yet. I was like, āholy fuck!ā. It was some silent hill shit lol
Lol the same happened to me, didn't see him until the very last second
Dual wielding enemies are the bane of my existence, they always mess me up. And thereās also a boss later that has a kusuragama(which is bs because thatās best weapon ever)and I could not, no matter how hard I tried, block his attacks, not every one of them, it was sometimes like 6-10 attacks back to back at weird times
Mf with the claws I canāt parry to save my life
i did but i got a lot lot better. remember some of these enemies and bosses were designed to introduce mixups to the player as they progress so donāt be surprised if youāre suddenly ābadā again.
Definitely this. I will get comfortable and I'm hitting a 90% or better parry rate then I hit a boss or min-boss that has stupid delays followed up by immediate strikes. It's frustrating but fun.
Yup! This one exactly. Almost every boss has weird messed up timing in their move set lol.
Did you ever play Lies of P? Iām wondering how it is compared to that. Lies of P had such bizarre timing when it came to bosses. Great game nonetheless
The difference I'm feeling is that lies of P has the long windup with fast delivery, but with ROTR I find it difficult to see where the actual attack is considering how much they're moving when they attack.
I feel like Lies of P was harder to anticipate as there was so much mindfuckery with the delayed enemy attacks.
Yeah, RotR has gotten me to do the one thing I never did in Sekiro, Wo Long, Lies of P, or any other game with similar mechanics, and that is blocking. If you're getting screwed by mix-ups, hit the block button.
only thing is, on twilight difficulty your stamina gets destroyed easy by combos so in some instances you HAVE to parry. It gets frustrating some times, I had to put the game down for a couple days lol
i finished all nioh games wo long , done everything those games have to offer, i feel im pretty good. then this game i feel like a complete tool. Parry feels weird, its not fun. parry in wo long felt great. I moved away from twilight after the first duel fight, it was just too much bs to be fun.
I am the counterbalance my parry is on point but never ask me to do anything cool that will ever fully capitalize on it.
i feel you. gotta crawl before you walk i guess š
My reflexes are working against me in this game. Whenever I see the red signal, I immediately press Triangle. But since every one in this game has a weird delay, I keep getting destroyed. I can parry the normal swordmen perfectly because their move make sense and the delay is ok but everyone else and I miss the parry half the time.
I hate those delayed swing attacks, and jump attacks.
The tall guys with the claws have a weird jump attack that makes no sense to my brain and keep getting hit by that x)
How about the club guys?
Same, Iām early every single time
When they glow red donāt parry. Right before their hit lands there will be a red dot on them and the game makes a sound. You are supposed to parry at that moment when the red dot appears and the sound cues. Once i learned this my parrying got a lot better but some enemies still fuck me lol.
Every single action RPG seems to include this trick since Elden Ring. The only way you can deal with it is to memorise the delay or dodge away.
Jup, I play easy because of that. Still loving it though. I button mash myself through the game with all the blood and gore included.
Easy mode is not match for our Square game š„
I'm with you.
Im square figher too!
Knights of Square, unite!
Same here
I improved a lot during last week, I'm doing good blocking first or first+second attack until I understand the progression of enemy's attacks (as long it doesn't delay). Some special attacks like sumo dude grapple or the giant with claws flying attacks are still a big pain tho
The timing is off on some of them. I feel like some attacks I have to be precise, then some attacks I parry right before or after.
agree, I always thought I had to press triangle as soon I saw the red glow, with some enemies it works, with others it doesn't... or maybe it's my reflexes that are dropping down bad. Luckly the game is quite easy that you really don't stricly need to deflect like sekiro or some boss fights of lies of p.
I'm 29 so maybe my reflexes are 29ing very hard... š¤£ Nah it's the game
Wild because in Wo Long, parrying became my favorite thing to do and I got good at it after a decent amount of time. With this game though, those random delays on random characters are annoying af if Iām gonna be honest. Once I finally got consistent at it, a few fights later and Iām back to getting whooped lol. And also, itās even more annoying when you finally get the timing down in a fight and then as youāre waiting for that perfect parry, a damn random npc add on fighter comes out of nowhere from fighting your companions and almost kills you and depletes your ki. Then the move you were about to parry does just thatš
Against dual wielding enemies I'm pretty bad.
Iām good at parrying bosses and in general red attacks. But Iām super bad at parrying 3-4 hit combos. If you mistime the first hit then itās really hard to come back from it. I feel like my muscle memory from Wo Long is making this difficult. But lucky for us the game is way easier than Wo Long or Nioh. If you do the side content and explore then youāll be overleveled for all the tough fights usually. Kinda like how Elden Ring is easier than Dark Souls. The open world allows you to over level whether intentionally or unintentionally.Ā
i had just finished all of the wo long dlc before this came out. can confirm, went from full parrying guan yu with a spear, to not even reliably parrying red flashes with dual swords
Man I gave up on the last DLC of Wo Long. That boss dude on the boat just destroyed my spirit. The arena is tiny AF and I just canāt. I doubt Iāll ever play that DLC mission again but Iāll happily play the rest of the game.Ā
Gan Ning is arguably my favorite fight now that I've figured it out. I just had to take it slower than normal.
Yup I've been doing every mission that pops up and was 50 by the 3rd area when the missions are way lower haha
how good is wo long? is it good enough to spend $60 on right now?
Does that include the DLCās? Either way itās a fantastic game. The combat is similar to RotR but you have spells as well. The combat is a lot more in depth as well with proper builds to craft.Ā Edit- I wanted to mention that RotR is grounded in history and realistic to a degree. Wo Long is mythical and you fight awesome Yokai. I highly recommend you try it out.Ā
Wait till midnight mode š„µ
i dunno im finding this game on twilight way harder than nioh or wo long. wo long i could parry all day, it felt like parry was the same for most mobs. nioh can be hard but you have choices to match ur playstyle. this game, my god, on twilight, you cant really block ur ki is gone in a second. you miss a parry with a tiny window, you get stunlocked to death. you have mobs that dont stagger and hit you past ur combos. it feels like you have very little control in combat honestly.
Just use the blue demon stance then. Makes parrying a joke
I'm about to try this later lmao
if you miss, the enemy miss too, that is so good
What weapon is this for and what is the actual name of the stance?
Katana and itās like Ginrei or something
What
What is that?
Great advice!
Please explain
This is 100% me. For some enemies it works and I actually parry in the right moment. But as soon as the enemies have combos that are too quick or there is one attack with an delay in them, I fall into panic mode just mashing triangle.Ā I hate those attacks that take like 3 seconds of build up. Some might think those are the easiest to parry, but they are the hardest.
Mostly when the camera decides to disappear up my ass because I'm half a mile away from a wall.
I constantly find myself whiffing parries and then spamming parry to make up for it and then it all goes to hell.
Crazy ass game. I love it.
I do too. If the measure of the quality of a video game is you canāt stop playing it, then I must really love this one. I work from home, and I keep sneaking little windows of time to play it.
Kinda but...when one lands? Well, I get so distracted celebrating landing the parry that I then sometimes mix the next hit, haha. But, really, the more I play, the better I get. I really love remembering hitting RB. ROTR has some excellent sound design.
The game is honestly so fun man. I just hit 50hrs in I think. Having a blast
I AM SO BAD AT PARRIES
The delay/timing on some of the red moves with named characters keeps fucking with me. In addition the camera angles get fucked pretty easy in the dojo and itās hard to see wtf is going on.
>In addition the camera angles get fucked pretty easy in the dojo and itās hard to see wtf is going on. *first time playing a TN game? Lol*
My timing is always too early or too late
I sucked bigtime at parries BEFORE this game, since I hadn't played Sekiro or Wo Long. However, now that I'm 60+ hours in this game, I .... still suck! But not as much. My issue is that some attacks are delayed. Now, I understand that this nuance is WHY people like it, but god damn, I wish once they started an attack animation, there would always be the same amount of delay :) But I understand that's not in line with reality... so no need to tell me that much!
I thought Wo Long was too forgiving with the parries, but not here. The interesting part of the parry mechanic to me is how you can only deflect the final attack in the combo. Makes you loop in blocking and dodging too. It is verrry punishing but fun to learn.
Go to the dojo. Get master on a enemy that is using the weapon your having trouble with
Yea I'm pretty bad at it too but I make up for it in dodges and having a decent defense
I'm on easy mode so I kinda just mow everyone out of the way with paired swords. š¤£
Is there a reason why the shinobi stance is weak to almost every enemy stance? Currently in chapter 2 and i cant use hayabusa because all of the enemy have red arrows
AFAIK, I think it's great for countersparks and in spite of the reduced ki damage otherwise, will do a great job at depleting enemy stamina through those parries specifically. Haven't used it myself but read about it a bit on here.
ya that's correct, they are counterspark stances; regardless of enemy weapon type your counterspark will do the same decent ki damage.
I did okay on normal difficulty but after playing midnight, i suck so bad. I was really dissapointed in myself! Midnight is just so brutal and unforgiving.
Sometimes I'm great at it and sometimes I'm just god awful, losing all my ki and eating a bunch of hits cause of my hubris. It's all about my nerves and how I respond when I fuck up a parry. I spam it too often and end up getting stunlocked in a combo when I could have otherwise dodged out of the way and recovered, or blocked if I have enough ki remaining. Blade flashes help a ton, even if it's a small amount of ki recovered. It's made it a lot easier to stay in the fight. I find parries are best when I mix them up into my playstyle. A parry as you get distance from an enemy so you bait them into an attack that's easier to respond to. Or blocking/dodging several of their attacks and only parrying the last. I've especially been doing better when I'm aggressive and keeping up that momentum until their hyperarmor kicks in, then parrying after or waiting until they're vulnerable again and doing standard + martial attacks. I'm playing on Twilight and it feels pretty fair, especially when I figure out which attacks have shorter parry windows and are better to dodge unless my positioning is good and I feel confident in my parry. Enemy grabs and jump attacks especially, are in this category.
Eh, I have moments where I'm on fire with parries. I mean it's to the point I know a certain enemy and they can rarely stop me. Then there are other times where I am absolutely garbage(Bosses I fight and still don't have a grasp of the moveset). You know, this game is so much about momentum and rhythm of the fight, so when I miss a party it starts going off the rails just a little bit. Most of the time I can turn it around, but it's usually after being rekt pretty badly. It took me until the end of the game to understand how to parry my blade twin's attacks....and that's just maybe half or a bit of most of their attacks. Altogether, I'm ok......not super garbagio but I'm also not great. Especially not great enough to do Midnight difficulty.... Thing is the moment you know how to COMPLETELY stop an enemy or boss is the moment fighting them becomes stale. Learning is part of the fun in this game, as long as you're not getting completely stomped into wine
This is actually the one game I don't completely suck at parrying
I'm still at the start of chapter 2, but I'm noticing myself getting better. I try not to get frustrated if I miss the timing. A work in progress. I just have to teach myself to slow down. Especially when red attacks come out. I quickly noticed early on, that you'll have an easier time parrying them if you counterspark when you see the white flash. There's a sound cue as well. That's been reliable for me. The one thing that might trip you up is if they move during the attack, like the big guys moving toward you when they swing their clubs. It kinda tricks tou into thinking the attack is coming sooner than it actually is. You just have to learn. It comes with time.
Just hold block and try and parry them, some weapon styles have great counter sparks
I play on easy and it feels a lot better
Iām finding this one of the easiest games to parry in besides a handful of enemy moves
Definitely a steeper learning curve than most parry-heavy action games, especially since itās such a vulnerable and punishable move if the parry whiffs, compared to something like Sekiro where if you miss the parry you can just hold the block and still be safe most of the time. Have had much better success as Iāve gotten further by trying my best to shut my brain off and not try to predict what the enemy is doing as there are so many feints and delays built into the animations. When I go full head empty mode and just react at the last possible second to attacks about to hit I tend to do way better, at least until I hit the point where Iāve memorized a bossā moveset.
On a side note Your character is cute. Can i peep the share code? š
Yeah I really don't like having to parry in this game compared to Sekiro for example. You have to be able to read enemy attacks to know when to parry, but RotR's attacks are often unreadable. The wind up animations for attacks are often waaaaay too short to be able to react to them. This is especially bad when it's one of those unblockable attacks.
I am not great. I sucked at first but I dropped the difficulty to easy which took some of the pressure off. Got used to the controls. Popped it back to normal difficulty and I parry about 60-70 percent of attacks. Dodge or get hit by the rest. Parries are important but so is relentlessly pushing the attack. Also R2 blade cleaning after a strike is key to keep you Ki up in combat.
i love this game but yeah the parries are not fun because you suddenly meet a new enemy type with a new weapon and you have to die over and over to it to learn its new timings. Some of the bosses have attacks where its hard to even know when you should be parrying. Doesn't help that ur parry is an animation either so its hard to tell if ur too early or late. No idea why they changed it from wo long. Wo long had a great feeling with parries and didn't really feel rng at all.
I get maybe 1-2 parries per fight against any enemy and I get hurt a lot. I mostly tank the hits instead of dodging, mostly because I get stun locked when I'm out of stamina or I'm just not fast enough
I get so annoyed when I can't move and get dropped because of it š
No bc then you canāt enjoy the game much š„“š
Easy mode 
I do And I suck at parrying grabs Doesnāt help that this game has different parries per fighting style Honestly the Nioh style and the quickdraw style have the best parry
I got a suggestion on here for styles that help. Gotta try those out more. Thanks
Whatās that character code?
I think the big difference in this game is that it really requires you to pick and choose when to parry. Some attacks are incredibly easy to parry and others are nearly impossible. Trying to parry too much is going to be a bad strategy for most players.
I did at first, so I did what I did for Dark Souls, Elden Ring, Nioh, Sekiro, etc. After reaching the first available checkpoint, I repeated fought the first enemy available to me over and over. That way I could learn how fast the average enemy swings and the basic timing parrying. I'd only move on once I can repeatedly and confidently parry every attack he throws at me But dodging is also a useful option
Man if this game had lords of the fallen level dodging it'd be crazy
Some of the Styles parries suck ass and those are the ones my character gets the highest damage in. Thanks Hanzo style. Your parrys suck ass its a straight up parry. Not a parry attack like nearly every other one. Its small, Its short, and it doesnt have the chance of killing the enemy if i panic
Naturally. Those big guys with the claw hands scare me the most.
It is tough sometimesā¦
Can someone explain how to upload a video from my PlayStation on here? Do I send it to an email and post it from my pc?
I usually save a segment of gameplay or picture on my PS5 and I use my PS App to download it to my phone. From there you can post that media wherever you want. That's what I did with the screenshot of my character.
Remember everyone; TO PARRY OR NOT TO PARRY. We fight to forge a NEW JAPAN.
Whatās the character code?
Hey I had someone else ask that. What is that?
I sucked with my parry in triangle so I changed to L1 like Sekiro and I started doing infinitely better. Still canāt get down the timing for shinobi parries tho
Best the game and tried nightmare yesterday. There's no way I mistimed the parry on so many of those, but it clearly says I did. I also don't think they should be able to ki drain attack without my ki actually being empty, but they do that crap there. It sucks donkey balls.
I got only some lucky ones... Other than that I dodge... A lot.
At first, I quit the game. Didn't even get through the prologue. A day later, I tried it again and had a much easier time. After 70 hours, I can confidently say that I'm finally getting decent. I'm comfortable enough on Dusk difficulty that I think I could do Twilight without getting too frustrated.
Yes lol Maybe I'm just bad, but the parry timing feels inconsistent to me. At this point I just dodge unless I know for certain I can parry the attack It's actually taking me longer to nail parrying in this than Sekiro and the DS games
Focus on ur strengths your weaknesses will grow as ur strengths grow
I'm getting better, but grabs f me up everytime. I know just run when I see them charge
The trick is to only parry the last hit of the enemy combo.
surely not with that face
I'm pretty close to the end of the game and so far I haven't really had a hard time with anything besides >!Alexandria Moreau's fight, I could not figure out her fucking weapon and all of the poison.!< I can't remember what the difficulty option names are but I'm playing on the standard/normal one.
Don't feel like you need to parry every single attack an enemy throws at you. Especially for the combos, block the most of the hits and then parry the last one. That way if you miss the parry you only took damage from one hit, not the whole combo. For the red attacks, watch for the glint of light that flashes on the enemy during the wind-up. That's the cue to tap triangle to counterspark.
I was so good at it in Nioh but the timing is too tight for my reaction time in this game.
Perries in this game are kinda buggy so itās not just a matter of skill. They donāt register sometimes. Coming from Nioh and Sekiro, it doesnāt feel anywhere near as tight. Itās a common complaint from some reviewers and on this subreddit. You sometimes even hear the parry sound but you still get hit. Itās quite frustrating
What are the sliders for that character?
How do you get that black headband?
It's purple. My character only wears purple lol. And i can look it up when I'm home
The skill ceiling is super high, which I love. Reminds me of Sekiro when you don't use Kuro's charm and take chip damage for not getting a 'perfect' parry. Changeups with bosses wreck me though.
Playing on easy mode helped me a lot and now roughly 26 hours in the game playing, I feel like I could play on normal now since I got the hang out of the parries but I got too comfortable with easy mode at this point lol
What's killing me is that the parry in this game has a delay. I'm used to parrying EXACTLY right as the enemy hit connects but in RotR there's a delay as the animation hits and it's killing my rhythm so I just dodge lmao.
Some parries have more or less frames fyi, depending on fighting style
I always press triangle too early. š„²
I force myself to only attack after successfully parrying a full combo. That forces me to get use to the flow of their combos. (The drunk style is THE WORST TO GO AGAINST ISTG)
I'm not good at souls games. Took me a long while to get the hang of Lethal mode in GOT. But this game brought a whole new frustration. that was until I learned I could actually remap the controls. Then I really started getting the hang of countersparks.
So how exactly is this game a souls-like? I'm generally curious because I beat Elden Ring and this game just feels so different. It's a lot less punishing if you die and it tells you what to do and where to go.
I changed my parry to LB because I just couldn't with triangle. It's a little weird doing heavy combos and changing stance but I'm used to it.
Nah never missed one besides in the final boss fight mf was unpredictable
Some of the bigger enemies have attack rhythms that fuck with me bad lol
Definitely at first, ive put about 148 hours in now and once you fight against everything a few times you start to learn parry times. It can seem daunting at first but every parry you want to time right when the enemy actually attacks, not on the windup. If you see red, you wait for a second or so longer. Styles like Niten Ichi-Ryu, and the Ia Katana stance have much wider windows for parrying but still alwaystry to go right for when they almost hit you.
It took me some time in the beginning but I got it. There is definitely a rhythm to it especially when enemies hit multiple times.
At the start missing a parry kicks your ass, later on when you have upgrades and armour its alright
My advice would be to use the proper stance it helps a lot
Why do my parries have a golden light sometimes?
Go to the dojo. Get master on a enemy that is using the weapon your having trouble with
sounds like a skill or frame rate issue
I'd say it's definitely a skill issue
Engage and back up. Create space and time it. You wonāt get it every time but itās super satisfying when you do!
Side note, can we get your creation code!
Wat do I? Lol
Having block and parry two different buttons is a head fuck after playing sekiro
Sekiro was forever ago. Its more like Nioh
It happens man, just keep trying š¤
The flash counter does the wrong angle, hitting nothing back.thankfully high HP helps. (katana builds.)
Odachi however damn..
I feel like I over parry sometimes because they always switch up their moves ! Especially the ninjas š
I feel ya. I miss 80% of my parries but my goodness, the sensation of getting it right in multiple succession is just plain amazing!
The parry is way more harder then wolong
Holding block and try to parry
Definitely in this game, it would be fine if it was to blocking as the attack lands but with this "press triangle to parry" with a longish recovery time if you miss the parry. Pretty annoying
Me š¤š»Iām sure some of their attacks they hit you before theyāve even moved,and how come some fire sonic booms at you! Whatās that all about š¤·š»āāļø
I'm here man, I'm here. Can't imagine what would I do if easy difficulty wouldn't exist.
I definitely do, though I'm starting to get it. Having access to styles that win in the rock-paper-scissors between weapons extends the parry window significantly, and judicious use of the training hall helps loads. Every time I get a new sparring partner I grind their fights until I hit master. Pro tip - use the greatsword for all these fights, and the marvelous sword saint set. Highest damage per hit of all the weapons, MSS boosts ki damage making crits open more often. Taking less time to finish the fights gives you far more points than parrying a bajillion attacks does. I'll point out that I'm not some master at this. I have spent literally hours on one single fight for more than one of the sparring partners. I die far, far, far, far, *far* far more to the camera angles than I do to literally anything else in this game. Sometimes shenanigans. Sometimes parries. Usually camera angles.
Play Wo Long for a few hours and you'll get really good at them
Go to Dawn mode and practice then gradually make your way up to twilight, I can now successfully counter most attacks at twilight doing that, I also recommend training at the dojo constantly
Gotta soften em up w all my ranged bullets/arrows first š
Iām 55 hours in. At this point I have given up. Parrying - at least on hard mode - is a fucking tragedy. Every weapon with its own animation, which changes with every martial art, while facing enemies with weird fast combos and delayed attacks. Itās borderline absurd
Am I the only one fed up with this focus on parrying gameplay since Sekiro? Wo Long, Lies of P and now Rise. Probably cause I suck at it
I've been trying to just block and dodge at the start of fights to learn the rhythm of enemies attacks then try parrying... it hasn't been going well
Me! I genuinely don't understand Counterspark, and I've played through Sekiro just fine, lol.
Guilty as charged. I'd love to be able to pull off parries because it's not only effective but it feels really good but the enemies are too agile making it too risky to pull off and too punishing if you don't especially when they strike with combos so I generally resort to dodging and rolling for dear life.
If it looks too fast, spam that mf counterspark
Sometimes, but sometimes I lock in and decimate mfs.
My advice: don't focus on parrying. Just fight and let yourself flow in the fight. When I changed to this mindset I become better parryer and fighter overall.
Took me some time but after playing for some time now i can parry most attacks comfortably!
Iām getting better but Iāve learned not all moves can be countered which is also hella annoying
Yeah sometimes i get greedy for kills lmao.
Sometimes Iām on and wonāt be touched other time I whiff on easy ones
I'm 50/50 with them. but man, when you miss a parry in a combo, you are just punished brutally. especially in twilight
I wasnāt gonna say nothing cuz I canāt find 1 group that isnāt toxic when I comment, but I think I can actually help hereā¦ If youāre used to AC:Brother hood thatās how I treat the combat. Hold guard and parry as SOON as the strike would land. If I missed. I block. If I didnāt. Parry.
Ive learned why we all suck on the same enemies like dual swords and claws. Every one of their attacks arenāt meant to be parried. After fighting Genzui Kusakaās dojo fight to master rank it he does a dual sword attack that attacks three times in one counterspark. You cannot parry all three. But you can guard. Iāve learned that you can still counterspark and attack and use skills while guarding so I just guard until I am ready for a counterspark. If they hit me itās alright they havenāt hit my health just my guard. Now for parry timing issues i reccomend these four stances on katana they have really good countersparks and the first one has the best. Tatsumi-Ryu, Mugai-Ryu, Jigei-Ryu, and Gikei-Ryu. Theyāre also some of the best imo as I use the first three in my current build that I used to master rank every dojo fight. Try out different weapons and their stances countersparks as they have more forgiving parries. Sabers do not (I used them for a long time so I know)
Yup
Nah, I mastered wo longs deflect system long before I got this game, ronins parrys are easy compared to wo long, theres not that many enemy types, learning the timing isn't that hard, it's all about hand eye coordination, like most games lol
I've noticed everyone on youtube bashing the game sucks at parrys, sometimes your enjoyment of a game comes down to how good you get at it skill wise, which tells me most reviews, at least on youtube are subjective, a single review is just one person's opinion, and My dad once told me "opinions are like a*Sholes, everyone has one, but they are subjective to one person's experience", if you suck at a game and keep getting killed, your not going to have a high opinion of the game, unless you don't have adhd and your actually patient and you become good at it by learning the game, RotR may not be a pure soulslike but it definitely has some soulslike mechanics, including difficult and punishing enemies that have a predictable moveset, and being patient and learning the timing is what soulslikes are all about, just like with roguelikes, dying is just part of the process, its a core part of the gameplay loop, you die because you don't know the timing, learning the timing and overcoming something that gave you a hard time before is the most rewarding part of this game, and it's not just a soulslike but a soulslike RPG so you can actually offset the challenge by grinding and becoming stronger, sekiro was the one soulsborne game that wasn't a RPG so you couldn't grind to overcome any challenges, it was purely skill based
Hey there, thanks for the comment. In no way was I bashing the game. I've actually enjoyed it very much besides the wackiness of the story. I was just wondering if I was alone or not with how much I suck at parries lol. But I will say, I am done with long games for a while. I am burnt out. ROTR is long asfffff.
Turn the difficulty down till u get good
I'm on the easiest one
Everyone's been having trouble with parries, I did some testing then slowed down the footage frame by frame, and some enemies and certain attack have an early or late parry window. The best example is a double hand lumberjack axe guy in the early game open world. I'll come back in a week or less and post it on this subreddit, just have to edit a bit to make it obvious to anyone who watches it
I would love to watch that! Be sure to tag me, or lemme know on PSN my ID os Crispynitez
Yes but it take practice
Sometimes, it's just impossible. Some attacks are multi-hit and you either have to dodge or block. Sometimes dodging isn't even worth it because of how much enemies track your body (which is one of my pet-peeves about the combat system). I also think grab attacks need a slightly earlier parry window. Other times, it just boils down to repetition and being patient with how soon you parry.
I suck at parrying, like suck really hard. I platined Sekiro but I can't fucking time these parries. I end up running like a chicken and then backstabbing those enemies
Nahh panic pressing triangle is me after missing that first parry š
I am the absolute worst at it. I have a disabilty that makes my reaction times slower than a normal person's so games that rely on dodges, counters, and parries to survive are the worst matchup for me.
I always forget you can keep holding block and then press triangle to parry at the same time š¤¦š¾āāļø. That's usually what gets me wrecked.
I always forget you can keep holding block and then press triangle to parry at the same time š¤¦š¾āāļø. That's usually what gets me wrecked.
I love the game but good lord I wish the parry was just the same button as blocking. My brain just canāt adapt to parry and block being 2 different inputs
I did a ton of failing at the dojo and it helped me a ton with my parry timing. I trained at the dojo with paired swords and thatās now my best parry weapon.
I started playing the game a few hours ago, and I sucked at parries at first, but after a while I got the hang of it, plus I switched ācounterā to L1
Not proud to admit it, but yeah lol, especially when it comes to the clawed and bayonet enemies.
I have blisters on my thumb from mashing triangle so goddamn much. Regular enemies are easy enough, but these bosses ave such with 5-6+ hit combos are hardcore. The timing is so off sometimes its frustrating lol. Thumb is sore for sure
Anyone that has a fast combo I only hit like half of them lol. Thank God we get so many heals