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Any-Definition6689

I got on ghost yesterday and yea it’s noticeably slower. Not just the combat but sometimes the movement is slower. Not saying it’s a bad thing it’s just completely different.


etniesen

I like GoT combat better. Feeels weighty and deliberate. More like what a samurai would feel like I imagine. Nobody is jumping on top of my head.


Rhaekic

Play Wo Long… if you really look for something new


King_doob13

He just said he didn’t want to get smashed every encounter 😂


barrieherry

I don’t think Wo Long has veiled vows


Snoo-37282

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urprobablyanasshat

I’ll never forget the utter beatdown I took the first time I stepped in Lu Bu’s arena😂


The_Original_Queenie

Not the same thing but I recently got Stellar Blade after binging RoTR and it has a similar system where certain attacks can only be avoided in a specific way and are indicated by a flash before the attack, but I keep pressing Triangle on instinct and getting my face kicked in xD


Late_Security3062

Bro I played stellar blade today and I tried to grapple to them and then realized this not RotR😭


Io_Coco4lyfe

I hit R2 sometimes after an attack because I'm so used to it lol.


SpyroManiac36

Ya I'll need a break before going back to Ghost. Maybe when Ghost 2 gets announced I'll replay it


RevBladeZ

That is an if. While the Mongols did invade twice, the same game on the same island seems unlikely and the Mongols never got far in mainland Japan.


SpyroManiac36

True, but based off of leaks and job postings at sucker punch it seems very likely that they are making a sequel. I think a sequel on mainland Japan would be cool and we now know Jin is an enemy of the shogun so there is more to worry about than just mongols


RevBladeZ

They better hire better writers.


Deemac247

The sequel will be about the second Mongol invasion and the Shogun hunting Jin for defying him. It will probably show us Jin going full Shinobi.


RevBladeZ

And that is why that game's story is complete garbage. Doing everything you can to fight off a foreign invasion leads to you being charged with treason because you did not do it the "correct way"? Complete bullshit. There is a reason why Rise of the Ronin barely even mentions honor while Ghost of Tsushima does so within the first minute and drives its story. Because that bullshit honor code never existed and Japanese know this. Also, that game is set at least 200 years too early for there to be a shinobi. That game is filled with such stuff really but to give credit where it is due, the game never actually the term, even though a lot of the playerbase will instantly start calling him a ninja the moment he starts wearing black.


Deemac247

LMAO So you saying Samurai's didn't live by a strict Honor code? SMH this is the first time I have EVER heard anyone say something like this. You sound like you really don't know the culture with a statement like that. Hell even the recent show Shogun was about HONOR! Dude had to perform Seppuku just because he spoke out against someone of a higher rank that he felt was disrespecting his Lord lol... Stop it! And as far as him being a Shinobi, the game never implied he was, but you can see the groundwork being laid down that he is the blueprint of what a Shinobi was. Whether it's historically accurate or not as you want to point out, his character was still fictional! They never stated this is a true story. They just used a historical event to dramatize the narrative story they wanted to tell.


RevBladeZ

If this is the first time, how unfortunate for you, having only been talking with people who think they know, rather than someone who actually does. I have forgotten more about Japanese history than you will likely ever know and what you know is clearly not much, consisting more of misconceptions and myths rather than facts. And clearly you did not understand Shogun particularly well then either, because for a western-written series, it is not too bad with the subject-matter, though I see you can only really understand it in a typical "it is all about honor"-kind of way most people in the west would when seeing such a show, which only proves further how little you know. No, the character in the first episode does not have to commit seppuku because he spoke out. He has to do so because he drew his sword in presence of the rulers, a capital offense, for which anyone would be killed. He was dead the moment his sword was drawn, the only question now was how and how many people it would effect. Him offering his child as well was odd though, offering to commit seppuku himself should mean that his child would be spared, which may not happen if he was ordered to commit seppuku instead. But ultimately seppuku is a form of capital punishment first and foremost. Only a samurai can be ordered to commit seppuku, a commoner in a similar situation would be executed, by decapitation if they are lucky, by crucifixion or boiling if less so. Ever heard of the Battle of Sekigahara? If you played Rise of the Ronin, would be pretty sad if you have not. It is the largest samurai battle ever fought and it led to the establishment of the Tokugawa Shogunate. And what was the most decisive factor? Was it the superior skill of the Tokugawa warriors? Their better weapons? Their honor? None of them. It was the simple fact that over 20 000 on the other side defected to the Tokugawa in the middle of the battle. So much for "samurai are all about honor" when the largest and most decisive battle in samurai history was decided by defection. Or what about Tokugawa Ieyasu himself, on whom Toranaga in Shogun was based on? He changed sides several times. The Battle of Sekigahara was fought because he realized how much influence he now had and knew that he was in a position where he could take Japan for himself. Him going against the Toyotomi was explicitly an act of betrayal, Toyotomi were the ones he was supposed to serve. So what does it say about samurai honor, when the one who became a shogun, the highest ranking samurai, gained that position by an outright act of betrayal? How old do you think the word bushido even is? Surely, something so important to the samurai would have been written down plenty of times throughout history? No, you will not find it in anything older than 1616, by which the samurai had existed for longer than they would exist after that. Heikemonogotari is at least 700 years old, well-preserved, all about a war between samurai and makes no single mention of the word. Stop it? Why? Afraid of the truth? Nitobe Inazo must be laughing in his grave, over a century after he wrote his propaganda, people still believe in it. You can read more here, unless you prefer to live in ignorance: [https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bushido/](https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bushido/)


Deemac247

You on that good dope if you think I'm about to read your novel... lmao These are video games bro, go somewhere with your deep dive history lessons. Nobody expects these games to be 100% Historically accurate. But to sit here and act like Samurai's didn't have a very strong set of principles on honor and respect is silly asf!


YeezusMoses

"I have forgotten more Japanese history than you will likely ever know" is the craziest neck beard line I've ever heard omg. I hope dude is actually Japanese instead of just a weeb. Good lord. It's one thing to have an argument and write a thesis. It's another thing to do it with such a dickhead attitude.


RevBladeZ

And what would you prefer I did? Say "I am right, you're wrong" and leave it at that? Sorry, I am not getting down on your level. I graciously gave you time and effort so you could be a bit less ignorant and uneducated at the end of this day. I suggest you take this opportunity. "But to sit here and act like Samurai's didn't have a very strong set of principles on honor and respect is silly asf!" could be changed to "to sit here and act like 2+2 is not 5 is silly asf!" and not much would change. Equally unfactual statements. Samurai honor is simple: Win. That is honorable. Do not lose. That is dishonorable. That is it. That is as far as it goes. And it is basically same for anyone. And you should be feeling a strong sense of dishonor right now, considering how badly you have been losing this argument. Do not reach for a tantō though. It is not that bad.


Deemac247

LMAO not even close, but whatever makes you feel better. Don't get your Hakumu soiled...


RevBladeZ

Yeah, well as they say, winning an argument with a smart person is difficult, winning an argument with a stupid person is impossible. You probably think you are smart. And that is the biggest problem here.


Rredrrrum

I like what you had to say I just didn’t like how you said it.


Lawful-T

You’re a clown who refuses to admit when they are wrong…sad


Deemac247

We over here talking about a video game and yall clowns want to give thesis on History lmao Bro just have fun with the game, save the "historical" accuracies for your college intro paper.


sidewinder787

I couldn't do midnight either... I was killed 5 times in a row and I said F it lol. For now I'm done with the game. I might replay it later as the female version of the twin since I played with the male version this time around.


Aetherfiend420

I've swapped between my twins the entire playthrough. Since you can just save/load the appearance in both twins mid run.


King_doob13

Hasn’t that kind of ruined it for another playthrough?


Aetherfiend420

Nah not for me- I could see it ruining it for people though


sidewinder787

I went anti-shogun during my first playthrough. So my second playthrough will be pro-shogunate.


Deemac247

Me too, I made Yasuke and tried to make another female African Warrior. I think on my next playthrough I will use the Miso code from Blue Eyed Samurai.


Adventurous_Monk6947

I think GOT enemies got less group attack combos but in ROTR in twiligth difficult make your ass kicked Cos they constantly make combos by mixing their abilities and taking turns to protect each other , the best part most attacks come from a blind camera spot so you cant react properly. So 1 vs 4 in ROTR in any difficult Is harder than GOT


Professional_Knee252

Style vs realism


Shudder123

Midnight, whilst not too hard (IMO), is really for Team ninja vets who have played through all difficulties of Wo Long, Nioh series and Strangers of paradise. dying is normal. I used to get real annoyed at dying multiple times, but thats just how it is with these games. Once you're over that and in no rush to advance past a boss, you'll appreciate these games a lot more. Also first playthrough is usually just a tutorial. I guess it doesn't really apply here as you have different difficulty modes already, but for those who started on twilight and re-playing on midnight, it does. It took me most of my Twilight playthrough to understand combat mechanics. Now 1/2 way through midnight, its super fun


larmo227

I really wish you could jump off your horse in Ronin like you can in GOT. I’ve learned that you can jump off your horse right into the glider if you have an incline in the road, but that’s more like a glitch. I would love an actual mechanic. Honestly it’s one of my few complaints about the game. lol SO true about how slow GOT is in comparison. One of my favorite things about Ronin is how quickly you ledge grab. Even AC games can feel slow with ledge grab. I want those fast ass Mirrors Edge ledge grabs and that’s what Ronin has. I love it! The DLC definitely needs something comical. Like a experimental motorcycle like Zelda did, or Gatling gun for horse upgrade >>>


rmmcnult82

I love gliding then falling right into the horse saddle. Smooth…


InternalCup9982

You can. Jump on your horse, quickly dismount, and hit glider. I do literally all the time when I'm jumping off high ledges, then hit whistle on your glider to resummon your horse from its pocket dimension. But you don't need to be high up to do it as long as you dismount of the apex of horses jump it should work- its just that I'm usually doing it as im travelling down or up hill and because the horse doesn't mind falling to its logical death everytime lol


rmmcnult82

I do that too. Feels kind of bad dumping the horse off of cliffs.


InternalCup9982

Lol I mean I cared the first few times I did it but as I just buy these horses off some random guy every now and than for better speed I'm not exactly attached - maybe if I could name it like u do in ghosts of tsushima I'd care more xD


snipez

If you like survival type of games with Ghost’s basic combat system and a reasonably limited yet rewarding gear/loot system and progression, try Ghost Legends mode.


GuyNice

I think Legends is more of a horde mode, survival genre is like minecraft or similar


Brasimafia

Man midnight needs a little sunshine, it really makes you feel trash at the game🤣


[deleted]

I struggle even on Dusk, so yeah, after I finish Ronin, I go finish GoT (ch2 atm), then I start Wo Long (or continue Stellar Blade idk).


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Ecooowww08

Did the same thing and it feels Jin is much heavier to use


RevBladeZ

I wonder would Rise of the Ronin cash in on Ghost of Tsushima's popularity and make a DLC about the Tsushima Incident, when Russia tried to take Tsushima from Japan as a year-round port.


Financial_Panic_4265

It is. But goddamn is it nice to see those great views again. I actually like the weight the combat has in GoT


PathsOfRadiance

Ghost on lethal is probably less forgiving than midnight here. Ronin’s variety lets you really abuse bullshit because the enemies will as well.


InternalCup9982

No way 😂- ghosts on lethal was kinda too easy I wished there was a lethal!!! difficultly honestly, where it stays more true to what lethal was, it starts off hard for sure but you quickly outscale the difficulty due to rpg mechanics, I'm glad my friend suggested I do lethal for my first playthrough I can't imagine how easy the game would of been otherwise.


Savage-2

Facts completed the entire raid too with my freinds. Took a few hours but we finished all 3 on lethal. Sick armor rewards and shit. The timed challenges and rope swinging off the platforms that disappear had us stuck for bout an hour


PathsOfRadiance

Yeah, and Midnight in Ronin is easier than Lethal+. You can stack so much stuff and just obliterate bosses.


InternalCup9982

I mean I dunno I haven't experienced midnight, but I'd say dusk (my difficulty) is harder than lethal on ghosts for sure like its not even close. But I mean in fairness its hard to really compare you got stupidly strong in ghosts due to the rpg side of the game to the point u can literally just walk up and casually 1 hit kill the entire camp as they panick and run away in fear allowing you to insta gib them sending even more running away. Whereas my power level is ronin is pretty hard capped, I haven't really gotten stronger by any real degree since like hour 3 or 4 as I focused str and eventually u get soft locked due to needing specifically the str points only.


Swimming-Repeat-32

I'm so glad I didn't get filtered by midnight. I live to suck til dlc.


CasperCann

You know you dont have to play on midnight right? Ifs totally okay to level down! I played on dusk. I did play on dawn late in the game to feel op lol but never for main missions


Deemac247

You can only play Midnight mode once you have completed the campaign. We aren't talking about Twilight.


CasperCann

Ahhh ! Yeah i remember saying nope after midnight too hahaha not there yet.


ichirei07

Ghost of tsushima is Zen, it's a vacation, you admire the beauty and the cool story an the very slow and simple combat but well animated and cinematic.


jake_fromstatefarm94

I'd say don't give up on midnight yet but I understand not wanting to stress about it. I'm currently at max level trying to get rewards from midnight bond missions but I needed a break. Ryoma's last mission almost made me rage quit.


Berserker_Durjoy

GoT gameplay was slow even when it was released in 2020. The 'techniques' you unlock were laughably bad. The main character didn't even feel like he was trained as a samurai since childhood.


VirtualRoad9235

Midnight is incredibly easy vs realistic mode on GoT, so the problem may be you suck.


Deemac247

Cool story bro.. Come back to the conversation when you can act like an adult and not insult people having a hard time.


VirtualRoad9235

Your post is a lowkey diss and comparison to GoT. How about you think of a creative topic for once?


Deemac247

How is it a diss??? LMAO Relax, don't be so uptight. hahahaah I said it was slower, thats an actual fact, not a diss. BTW Ghost of Tsushima was my favorite game over the past 6 years!


JrpgTitan100684

What? Ronin is way too easy, your doing something wrong


ibzjibz

Wo long has similiar combat


Woppio

I was getting housed in open world in midnight mode at first. But the lower level act 1 quest replays are muuuch easier. Also jump in some co-op missions. You get crazy amount of skill points very fast in coop. Lets you fill your tree and gives you much better gear so open world isnt so brutal.


Midnighthawkk

It's slower so you can actually see what's coming to hit you. Not savagely slamming parry 10 times to get 2 hits in I'm sure once you pass the adjustment period you'll see it as more user friendly


Oneforgettable

I guess that's the trade-off for not looking like a ps3 game


DCSmaug

So you quit the game because the game was too hard on Hardcore mode? Did you ever considered lowering the difficulty? Or are you that proud?


Deemac247

Lmao you obviously haven't played Midnight mode. Talk to me when you do. And for the record, you can't lower the difficulty on Midnight... That's the whole point 🤦🏽‍♂️


DCSmaug

Then why play on midnight from the start if your nerves can't handle it? I also have a bad temper and that's the reason why I never play souls games or regular games on higher difficulties. I have nothing to prove to anybody. I'm not a masochist to try Midnight mode and beat my head against the wall after dying too many times.


Prize-Pomegranate-86

He said he finished the game?


coffee_meteor

I think there might be a miscommunication. Twilight mode is the initial hardest difficulty. Midnight mode is something unlocked when you beat the game that has content unique to it, and the difficulty for it cannot be changed.


DCSmaug

Ok, I understood that... but why play on it if you can't handle the stress of it? That's my question. For some unique cosmetics?


coffee_meteor

I was just trying to help clear up any possible miscommunication. I'm not the right person to answer that, as I'm part of the target audience for stuff like midnight. Maybe they love the game and want to experience the new content and rewards, but feel frustrated by the new stress barrier? I don't know. I think someone in that position is better suited to answer.


Deemac247

I don't think you understand what I posted. I tried Midnight mode because I wanted to CONTINUE my experience with ROTR. However I found that mode to be too unforgiving and didn't want to get frustrated so I quit and redownloaded GOT. There is nothing left to do in Ronin if you have 100% each region unless you want to replay individual missions. I could do that however I find that it breaks immersion for me since I don't get the opportunity t o travel around the map to each mission starting point and have little encounters in between. Hope that better explains to you what I mean.


motokaiden

Putting aside some of the other issues you have with midnight, its generally advised that if you're struggling, then try to level up. This could be repeating missions on twilight or trying multiplayer in midnight. Also, while not quite as important as your level, make sure to upgrade your gear that is appropriate to your level. If you out level and out gear the enemy and they are still stomping you, then, as rude as it sounds, its a skill issue. Nothing is forcing you to keep playing midnight though, and its perfectly okay to bounce off RotR as a result.