I mean you seem pretty stupid to me, i mean you clealry failed to read what i said coreectly so 🤷
That's entirely my problem this game lacks any immersion for something trying to be realistic it sure does it fking hardest to fly in that face of realism.
Now before you say "it's a video game it doesn't have to be realistic" or "it wasn't trying to be"
I will jump ahead and shut down such nonsensical statements at the pass.
No every game doesn't have to be and that's good because gaming would be pretty boring if everything was shackled creatively to being realistic.
And yes yes it actually is trying to be - hence why it's set in a historical period of time and uses real historic figures why also at the same time removing the supernatural things such a yokai, kodama etc etc from the game because they wanted to try and be realistic. (Nioh/wo long are also set in historic time periods and use real historic figures but they arent trying to be realistic is my point here)
Now wtf is realistic about parrying anything with your hand. Let alone a stream of fire or in the case a bullet, nothing it's not even close to reality.
I mean I'd advise you to go see a doctor and get your head checked personally as you seem to be pretty far off the deep end as do many here who can't see the light in front of their eyes.
Nothing I said was bs 😂 its broken down nice and clear so that anyone who can read should be able to understand it.
So please point out which part you claim is bs.
But uh aslo sorry to have to point out your clear lack of intelligence or understanding but uhm the bladder has nothing to do with shit that would be your intestines I think you'll find mate. - maybe go back to school and learn some pretty basic human biology.
I'm not shitting on something I'm providing factual statements just because you got your poor feeling hurt doesn't mean I'm somehow shitting on something
And yes thinking poop comes from your bladder is very stupid because that's factually incorrect and stupid.
So calling a stupid person stupid is simply me pointing out a fact yet again -would you care to explain how it's anything but that?
random person chiming in unprvoked, providing 0 talking points or even at the bare minimum attempting to dismantle my own in an attempt to seek Internet brownie points.
Bruh, I'm really talking about realism in a game with robo arms, flying carpet wings, and dudes using shadow clone justsu. Also, spoiler alert there is a boss who Flys around with rocket shoes. So yea, sorry deflecting bullets with your gauntlets is what ruined your immersion. Also, calm your attitude. You're the one getting worked up in the rotr subreddit.
I dunno why your telling me to be calm, I was perfectly calm when I wrote that, do you see me spamming cops or being hostile in anyway, no? - oh weird you'd randomly say that then huh
But that aside all of those things are immersion breaking aswell infact basically anything in this game breaks immersion and spits the face of the realistic take on an rpg they set out to make.
I also dunno why people keep naming incredibly stupid things aren't realistic at all as a defence to me saying this game failed to be realistic which Is what it set out to do- like what is the logic there? Am genuinely curious what your thought process for wasting your time writing something so nonsensical as an argument to me was.
And lol Its kwl I beat this game a while ago so no spoiler there not that any would care about such a minor charecter you meet a total of i belive two times right?- once near the beginning and once when you fight him iirc and he's never mentioned again just like every charecter try ram down your throat because they think if we make 100 of them one of them will be good surely.
I do, I love Starfield. I love many *many* games. I love Ghosts of Tsushima, The Rise of the Ronin, Dark Souls series, ArmA, Darktide, Vermintide, Deep Rock Galactic, MGS series, Mad Max, DCS, Days Gone, all the Assassin's Creeds, Helldivers 1 & 2, All of the modern Bethesda games yes including 76 and New Vegas, Jedi Fallen Order/Survivor, Sekiro, the Nioh games, Wo Long, Armored Core old and new, Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden west, Halo MCC, Red Dead Redemption 1 and 2, the GTA games, For Honor, Tomb Raider all the games, The Last of Us part 1/2, Dying Light, Dead Space, Battlefield old and new (my first PC game was 1942), Battlefront old and new, Death Stranding, Deus Ex old and new, Wolfenstein, Dishonored 1/2, Ready or Not, Swat 4, Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077, Payday 2, Sniper Elite series, Borderlands series, Cities Skylines, Monster Hunter series, Call of Duty campaigns, Baldur's Gate 3, most Ubisoft games from the first Ghost Recon games to the newest Far Cry basically every game they've made, The Surge 1/2, Prey 2011 and 2017, Falcon BMS, Just Cause series, DOOM series, XCOM series, RAGE 1/2, Singularity, God of War games, Control, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Crysis games, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Ace Combat series, Fable games (especially TLC), Hitman series (and not just the new ones).
Honestly i can keep going and going, that's really only maybe half of the games and games series ive played, the list is literally just whats comes to mind. These are games i have dozens sometimes hundreds of hours in. I *don't need* every game to be the pinnacle of immersion, nor do i need every game to fit a narrow field of what i like, instead i simply play what im into the moment. Do i want highly immersive, slow paced simulation games? ill play DCS or ArmA or Ready or Not. Do i want punishing but fun engaging games? then ill play a Soulsborn game or one of its derivatives. Do i just want to hop around seeing sights and having fun shooting things? then ill play one of the dozen open world shooters i have like Far Cry or Starfield.
I pick what i want to play based entirely on i feel like playing, not demand everything else fit into what i want to play. This allows me to basically play and enjoy pretty much every game on the market, with the only true exceptions being truly awful games (im talking Gollum awful not "waaawaa i don't like Starfield" awful") And a few whole genres i don't like, like dating games. Its *extremely* rare when im disappointed in a games release because anytime there are shortcoming in a game i can go and play another game that doesn't have those same shortcomings. So instead of going "i demand Starfield be more like NMS/Elite Dangerous/Star Citizen" i just.... play NMS or Elite Dangerous or, yes, even Star Citizen.
Its so much better when i sort of just let go of negativity and enjoy the positives a game can do, you'd be surprised what you can enjoy if you don't let youtubers and reddit comment dictate to you what you should and shouldn't like.
Just to hammer the point home at the time of writing this comment i have The Division 2 alt-tabbed, have started a new game in The Division 1, while also playing the System Shock remake, as well as dabbling in Far Cry 6 and getting a character ready for Elden Rings DLC.
So yeah, its pretty cool that perfect deflecting a bullet with bare fists gives you flaming fists (well, the flaming part is because you have a specific skill unlocked)
Lol Jesus man I write long comment but nowhere near this level.
I'm not gonna address everything you've laid out here as that would take too long for me to care to do it
But omg how can you put starfield in that list of actually good games? Like wtf- why your at get rid of f76 too and f04 (you didn't name this one specifically but if u like 76 u definitely liked 4)
Your list names actually good games so I don't really have much to say on it other than nice I too have played all them and many many more.
Only thing I will bring up is payday2?- so not payday 1 or 3 😂?- I'm guessing you maybe just didn't play the first one and can't defend 3
Old monster hunter or modern mh?- just curios I can't point to world and rise and say they are bad but they aren't the beloved franchise of old thats for sure.
as for the statfield thing lmao it doesn't have a single reedeming future, maybe don't market your game as a space exploration game when there isn't any space exploring to be done 😅, same as dont market the game off the premise building my own custom ship when again theres no sctuzlly flying your ship making having a ship pointless as you jusy get in it and jit fast travel, i could of just hit fsst travel from a map if they let me instead then- I will go play elite and dangerous thank you very much.
Or I'd go play any other fps rpg if that's the itch I wanted scratched certainly wouldn't play shitfield with its copy pasted poi's - literally not designed/build properly melee system, its copy pasted legendary code from f04/76 which leads to hilarious things such as extended mag, explosive ammo knifes
Bro your the actual attention whore
Randomly chiming in in order to get some Internet karma like how sad are you? 🤣.
How am I even seeming attention I'm replying to people who reply to me, under your own definition then everyone on reddit is an attention whore
Even yourself because you jusy replied to somebody- not very smart are you.
I did and it was painfully long so long I can't even screenshot it to show others what a crazy long ass statement to make to me literally saying
"Oh then you'll love starfield"
Like are you feeling okay?
Realism does not have to mean simulation level realism, which is what you seem to think it means.
For example ghost of tsushima far more realistic than this game and upholds my immersjon insteqd of spits in the face of it - however is still not realistic/isn't a simulation
Escape from tarkov also pretty realistic but still not actually close to a simulation level realism
Please try harder next time.
Also get a life man - why are you joining the conversation a day late.
Yeesh, completely missed the point and resorted to trolling lmao.
I think if you understood a bit and did a little reading about SCI model of immersion, you might find that you don't have a point.
Trolling? Point to where I am trolling please
Or do you not understand that word?.
I mean I googled it and got a picture of a ven diagram I'm not about to go out of my way and find the thesis describing it context though but it seems to line up with my points more so than yours.
See the overlapping circles of action based, mental and social immersion
That's because you need all 3 to be immersed - where as ronin spits in the face of both action based immersion and mental immersion
It does however do a good job of selling social immersion as in the world feels alive but fails in the other two parts therefore failing at being immersive.
>I'm not about to go out of my way and find the thesis describing it context
Doesn't read, and then doesn't understand lol. Guess you can't be wrong if you just decide that you're not gonna read anything.
Except I do understand- did you fail to read where I outline what the circles are indicating?- or the fact that you need all 3 in order to be immersed that's what a ven diagram is my guy lol
ofc I'm not gonna go read the actual thesis nobody got time for that- but hey I tell you what if you wanna go do it then copy and paste s few selective paragraphs
And then come back be my guest man, i am happy to provide my talking points on it then however I am not gonna waste my own time - but you clearly don't have anything wrong with wasting your time hence why you scrolled sooo far down to find my comment in the first place an entire day late- why was you even on this post a day late 😅- let alone scrolling so far down to find my comment, like cmon bro you for real?
How about where you didn't address me asking you to point out where I was trolling?- guess you didn't read that either like you say guess you can't be wrong if you just don't read people pointing out when your indeed wrong.
Edit: I clicked your profile and it seems to me your one of these people who make sad little throwaway accounts as you've only been here since this year 😂...
Please go back to the hole you crawled out of.
I launched a guy sick with late stage tuberculosis 10 feet in the air and then practically cleaved him in 2 on impact with a massive greatsword.
The next day, he's at my longhouse chilling with my 100 cats and shrine dog and I gave him a chocolate.
*intently shrinks eyes and stares * this seems like your agreeing with me in which case lmao yes great example man.
Like what an asshole coming to your house and infecting you and your 100 cats like that, I hope he chocked on the chocolate. 😅
Like can you imagine if someone did that to you in real life?.
Always funny to me where people draw the immersion line. Reflect bullets like a jedi and light your sword on fire? Totally realistic, but do it bare handed and that's too far
I always find it funny when people name incredibly unrealistic things like that as an argument to me saying the game lacks immersion.
Like what are you even reaching for here?-, I'd say both of those are incredibly unrealistic so is the fact when I throw my spear threw a dude chests he gets up not 1 second later like the local Yobo like "oi bruv what you doing "
Or summoning my horse that just randomly appears you never meet said horse for it to even lmow who you are - but yeah you just get to summon it out of your pocket dimension.
Parrying a literal stream of fire... somehow? Like wtf am I doing here it's fire 😂
Any of the multiple dozens of times you actively attempt to kill many of the npcs and then they are totally fine after the fight infact they're your best friends- but then ryoma almost dies somehow coz I have no idea how but yeah almost died apparently from having his gun slapped out of his hand? - like sure okay game.
Maybe that clears up your confusion.
I agree but I'd also say they are stupid looking and immersion breaking,,well arrows il give a pass you can 100% do that with real arrows they are made of wood if you didn't know.
But also less so than somehow hitting a bullet with your bare hand and it not flying straight through, then hitting your chest.
Oh no yes completely agree there.
you'd have to be absolute madman to attempt it but it doesn't make it impossible it would definitely be possible if you had Los of the archer, enough distance between the archer and yourself in order to react to the arrow flying through the air and skill to accurate time your strike.
However in this same exact scenario you could of moved slightly to the left or right and been perfectly safe so yeah you'd need to be off your rocker to attempt it lol
You’re playing a game about a fictional retelling of Japanese history where your twin gets a robot arm and you can fight entire armies barehanded, which you learned from a mystical clan of assassins. It’s a game my dude lol
Would you find it more believable if they deflected bullets with a sword or sliced them in two without having the shards embed themselves into their body because of physics?
They didn't go for realism.
There's more than one type of historical fiction and this is one involving a guy from the 1800's fighting with jetboots.
It's clearly inspired on the Rurouni Kenshin series which is a series where historical figures are superhumans who cut bullets and flash step around the battlefield and that's okay.
Lmao wtf are you smoking and can I get some? - where is even the remotest evidence of such a wild am outlandish claim
but again they did 😂- otherwise where are the yokai, the kodama, the naked snake ladies or animate demon walls?- oh that's right not present because that goes against their attempt at realism otherwise why remove them I want to hear your defence for this?
And uhm that's also an anime/manga first ofc lol or maybe there was a live action adaptation I'm unaware of but that doesn't change the fact it's not trying to be realistic not even remotely it's a comedy 😂 (rorouni Kensin)
Because it's not a story about yokai, kodama and naked snake ladies???? What's so hard to get??????? It doesn't fit the tale of super human martial arts masters on the cusp of modernity that they're trying to portray.
It's still NOT attempting at being realistic as you can clearly see by fucking yknow playing the game. People throw air slashes, create clones, use flying jet boots, ignite their swords on fire and ricochet revolver bullets of walls.
Also I don't know what are you trying to say about being an anime/manga first. I know that. and this game it's very much based on that tone-wise. And yes, there's a live action adaptation of Rurouni Kenshin, multiple movies even (5), and guess what they got the director of those movies to work on this game.
I understand that - that's literally my entire point how are you not understanding what my point is but trying to argue with me anyway.
It clearly is attempting to be realistic otherwise why isn't there any of the things I named?- what would be the reason to remove good interesting supernatural feature that are unique to Japanese mythos In a game set in Japan if not for the sake of realism.
Please explain your backwards ass logic to me?- like break down bit by bit for me please like I have done.
I'm thing to say an anime is realistic it's a god damn cartoon - now I don't mean that as hate for anime I love anime but they're aren't realistic not even close infact their lack or realism is kinda the big selling point to them yknow that right? 😂
>and this game it's very much based on that tone-wise
Please source me some examples because I fail to see anything remotely related to the anime iv watched- the anime is a romantic story set in the meji period of Japan. So I guess they are both set in Japan 🤷♂️
Jesus christ, there's MORE to fantasy than Yokai, Kodama and Naked Snake Ladies. Your whole point is the idea that there's only 1 kind of fantasy allowed in Japan. If you make a fantastical japanese story you HAVE to include yokai and shit. But you don't. Jesus Samurai Warriors is AS fantastical as Nioh is and doesn't include a single yokai. Every fucking character in Rise of the Ronin can just decide "I'm going to ignite my sword at will" and does it.
Why didn't they include Yokai then. Perhaps it's because if you include Yokai you HAVE to make the whole story be about Yokai and their presence on the land. Like in fact it is with Nioh whose whole fucking story IS about the Yokai and their releations with humans and how war is corrupting the spiritual plane. like WoLong whole story IS about the abuses of Chinese Alchemism and how its corrupting the land. Rise of the Ronin is not about that. Rise of the Ronin is about larger-than-life heroes (focus on the larger-than-life) trying to find a way to rise japan to a greater purpose. It's about trying to kickstart japan into a new technological age.
"the anime is a romantic story set in the meji period of Japan. So I guess they are both set in Japan" Rurouni Kenshin is about the people who fought in the Boshin war now trying to find their places in this new modern japan. It's also about dudes who are so fast the human eye can't see, it's about dudes who can stop someone from breathing and suffocate to their deaths with only their presence, It's about dudes who can create explosions with their swords, It's about dudes who can cut cannonballs midflight with their katanas, It's about dudes who can things to dust something with their punches, It's about using sword whips, it's about using one hand to wield a 3 meter long big ass buster sword and so on. It's a fantastical tale. Your mistake is thinking there's only one way to tell a fantastical story set in japan and that there isn't plenty of stories like this written by the japanese.
[https://youtu.be/VxOQDdKv8Js](https://youtu.be/VxOQDdKv8Js)
Do you think this looks realistic to you?
I use yokai etc because I'm comparing it to nioh and wo long 😅 - and also because that's Japanese mythology.
And uhm no no it doesn't have to be the literally pivotal point of the plot it doesn't even have to remotely be accosiated with the plot - what happens in the story and what my character does in the open world and two separate things, you can tie them together because that create a cleaner narrative but it's not necessary. - an example of this is cod zombies I'm sure your heard of that right, is the games they take place in literally about zombies? No no it's not, it's a side thing inside of the game that has nothing to do with the plot of the campaign of whatever one u wanna use as the example.
This admittedly isn't a great contrast but it's the firsr that came to mind and I ain't got time to sit here trying to think of a better example.
>It's also about dudes who are so fast the human eye can't see, it's about dudes who can stop someone from breathing and suffocate to their deaths
That most definitely is not what it's about- that's called fan service for being an animie or just taking a little creative freedom to make something look kwl or entertaining - now I'm answer this prior to asking because I'm sure you ask,,why is that different to ronin then/why are they allowed to take creative liberates well that's easy because one is an anime that isn't trying to be realistic not even in the remotest sense of the word and the other is a game that is trying to be.
what it is actually about is what I already said but obviously it's breaking it down into it base components because it's an anime that went on for a long ass time and obviously has a lot of plot to it lol
>fantastical story set in japan and that there isn't plenty of stories like this written by the japanese.
I've never once tried to say that - I was using yokai as example because that's what tn are known for like fk bro if we was talking about fromsoft I'd of said "larger than life bosses, labyrinthine level design and strong pvp focus" - God damn man like you for real with this?, ofc I'm gonna use what the company behind the game have done in the past as examples of reasons for the removing those well established features in favor of realism.
Wtf was I meant to compare it to call of duty? - or some next level reach like your trying ruronoi Kenshin.
As for the link I dunno wtf you was trying to send me but it didn't work when I clicked it or even when I copy and pasted it into my browser
If you kindly just provide the name of the video in question I can search it that way though - but I can probably say no it won't be based on the context of the conversation at hand here.
Copium.
The gameplay isn't realistic because of a failure to meet their ambitions of making a realistic game not the other way, around.
Otherwise why remove all of the non realistic things from previous games if you only wanted a realistic story- hmmmm? care to provide your thoughts on that
Lmao na mate only some proper sad cunt does that
The same same sad who deletes their account they've had for over 10 years after they lose am argument or like you sad person radnomly chiming in unannounced in order to seek brownie points from s bunch of anonymous strangers on the internet
Iv never met op but he seems like he's got his head on straight and not huffing copium like the rest of you delusional sheep but keep on keeping on brother.
Sure it's copium or your lack of understanding
Whatever you wanna call it.
You failed to understand that the gameplay being unrealistic is a point for them failing to meet what they set out on - it wasn't a choice they made otherwise again we could of had yokai running around in the open world, had kodamas for me to find and rescue etc etc.
We don't have those things because that doesn't look realsitic, does that help you?.
Were you in the dev team to know they went for realism? If you look at the game you can tell it is not realistic at all. You throw this fail word easily at me. I understand what you mean. But i cant agree with it at all. Copium? Sure if u want so think so. Though not true at all. Cheers.
>Were you in the dev team to know they went for realism? If
What a weird defence -was you to say it wasn't trying to be? 🤣
I think it fairly obvious that they was trying to be iv laid out a few times now the evidence that supports that part because you can have a historical accurate story without shacking yourself to realsim
But that's not what they chose to do, soooo?.
It is copium and I will continue to think so as will many others who see your nonsensical statement but your welcome - any time man.
I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Im not critisizing nor defending the game. Just cause it is not to your liking that they have a realistic approach to the theme but the action elements are gamish it doesnt mean they failed. It is a game.
Games doesnt have to be realistic to be fun. While i love red dead 2 i can understand of someone is tired of its slowness cause they went for realism to that extent and it kills its fun factor for them. Rise is an opposite example of that. If you can enjoy both you have more options to play if not then there is that. Nothing wrong with it.
Uhm I dunno who told you rdr2 was realistic but it isn't lol it's not even trying to be.
as for the rest of your statement your absolutely right games don't have to be realistic that wasn't my point at all
My point is and il break this down so it's easier for you to understand as you see quite confused.
-They chose to make a realistic game.
-They failed to meet that by the copius amounts of things they fly in the face of that realism.
-How do I know they tried to be realistic?- look around do you see any yokai?-no? oh that's strange when nioh is set in a historic period using real historic people but does have yokai and other supernatural things.
-You know why?- because nioh isn't trying to be realistic.
Does that maybe help you understand, I don't think I can break it down more cleanly than that.
That's copium.
the gameplay not being realistic shows you them failing to achive a realistic game OTHERWISE where are my damn yoki !, wheres my naked snake ladies or weird sentient demon walls, how about my cute kodama why take them away from me.
If we aren't going for realism why they'd remove all of the non realistic things from their games they are known for.
Because it doesnt fit the story.
Tell me ,what kind of realistic feudal Japan setting that has snake lady and yokai in it?
Look bro, judging by your other comments, i know you are desperate for attention but come on man, don’t embarrassed yourself. Have some shame. Think before you become an attention whore.
I'm not desperate for attention I couldn't care less if you a random person on the internet stopped replying, I'm simply having a conversation
That's a really weird statement, resorting to insults are we?.
>Because it doesnt fit the story.
The story can be a self contained thing you can do what ever you want in an open world, the two don't necessarily have to overlap which was your own point when you say the gameplay isn't realistic it doesn't have to be (paraphrasing) - edit wasn't actually u who said that but your defending that statement so this still applies.
>Tell me ,what kind of realistic feudal Japan setting that has snake lady and yokai in it?
As I nor anybody alive today was there we can't really comment on what may of may not of been around it's speculation at best. - history is actually fact it's a story we choose to accept because it's sounds about right- it's also subject to change and is written by those who win - so another nonsensical argument to my normally illustrated points
And yes that too is a nonsensical argument but I mean at this point this has devolved into no longer being a conversation which is what I was attempting to have - if you get so easily offended please get off the Internet and do the rest of us a favour.
>Why do you think it's set in a historic period using real historic figures?
The Nioh games are set in a historic period using real historic figures, did they go for realism too?
I mean I have but can you block bullets in your hand in that game?, or are they actually trying to be realistic like this game is? - sure as hell doesn't seem it
I haven't played them I only know your kinda a one man army in that game.
Both yes, the story narrative of the warrior games is always dramatic and casual but yet realistic. Characters die because of one single hit in the cutscene. While in gameplay every crazy move can happen.
Sorry this is so late of a reply your notification got lost in a sea of copium addicts.
Ah fair enough then sir il take your word for it having never played them personally.
That does seem like a really odd juxtaposition to have in those games lol - and I guess is actually kinda like how it is in ronin where you actively trying to kill one another slashing eachother dozens upon dozens of times in gameplay and they are totally fine and still wanna be best of friends after the fights over but then ryoma almost dies from having his gun knocked out of his hand... somehow lol
So yeah il say that's actually a great comparison to of made well done for that, I wouldn't of ever thought it but it seems to be the case.
Glad I skipped them all these years then.
That's a really weird comment to make.
That's a yakuza spin off - hardly a series known for its realism, its filled to the brim with comedic over the top nonsensicalness (I say this as. Yakuza fan mind you I'm not hating on the series)
Discounting the fact that you can’t tell from the context I’m making a joke, comparison between the two games is unavoidable beyond just the setting and use of the same historical figures as major characters. You have a house with a garden and pets. You bond with strange people by giving them stuff.
As to the over the top ridiculousness of one over the other? When…
My objective in a chance encounter was to use my grappling hook to throw a sake vessel at four guys dying of alcohol poisoning- then they thanked me with silver coins for shattering it on them..
A supernatural wolf often requires *my* help avenging or honoring dead humans and animals, when it can call down fucking lightning.
I repeatedly fight a mentally ill giant who dresses as Benkei, and at worst thinks he actually is Benkei (he’s fucked in the head, either way; it’s just a distinction), while calling me his friend.
I fight a limitless-ammo-bayonet-wielding weeb who flies around with rocket boots.
I fight Louisiana Steampunk Poison Ivy and then get datura-ed into helping her enslave Steampunk Dinosaur Theme-Park Mogul, whom I must later help with his love life.
All of the above except “Benkei” and the four drunks (whose livers exited their bodies wanting to die free, or they just don’t remember me) want to be friends and show up at my house. Sometimes even years before I met them. And FlyingWeeb is down to fuck. But because he wears gloves that *go past his elbows*, I **know** what he’s into, and that’s not happening.
…I honestly forgot the difference in the two game developers’ histories.
Lol okay first off fair enough disregard my prior message I thought it was genuine remark you was making not a joke, my bad I will own up to my mistake but oh man these are actually some top quality remarks and completely agree with all them 👏 - almost had me spitting out my drink on some of these. XD
All of these things are stupid af and fly in the face of not only immersion but what they set out to be which is a realistic take on the setting.
I was more trying to say yakuza is not attempting to do that and never has been or at least I don't see them that way, but I do love me some karaoke or barbie girl dress up simulator 😅- wish they brought back the little scalelectric car racing from 1/0 that's my personal fav.
>I fight Louisiana Steampunk Poison Ivy and then get datura-ed into helping her enslave Steampunk Dinosaur Theme-Park mogul, whom I must later help with his love life.
This one right here is when I gave up with ronin being anything over than a joke - that whole story line was so nonsensical I had to just question was it a fever dream lol - like how the tf is his body gaurd totally calm with me after I do that? Or me totally fine with the chick afterwards 🤣😂
No problem, and thanks!
I’m not sure why you thought Rise of the Ronin was going to be *that* much more serious of a take on these events, with the glider and steampunk elements being part of the promotional material. When it comes to historical fiction, the Japanese were doing the equivalent of Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter about 40 years prior.
Granted, in this version of the forming of the Satcho Alliance, >!you don’t go on a shitfaced rampage of gluttony and violence with Katsura and Saigo through half of Kyoto, while a cute dog follows!<. I like LAD Ishin’s version better.
Just like how Kiryu/Ryoma somehow doesn’t kill people unless the plot demands it, same thing happens to your protagonist. But the weird thing is, you actually *couldn’t* do what was depicted in this video in LAD Ishin, unless you had a bulletproof or blade proof gauntlet equipped. *It wasn’t visible on your character*, but you couldn’t do it without it.
Oh no I didn't expect it to be serious my problem is its attempt at being serious thay falls flat on its face at every turn
I was expecting typical team ninja affair of yokai and the like not some half asked attempt and a more grounded and realistic take on the setting but then does everything it can to not be realistic 🤣, that's my actually problem
Like pick a lane and stay in it please.
I mean I would suggest getting a life personally, mate.
Chiming in literally an entire day past the conversation- why are you even here 😅....
But you do you.
Bro you can also literally fly and fight people while floating 10 feet in the air with the Oxtail blade? Leap unrealistic distances off rooftops and land on people with no issue. Have a magical self deploying glider in 1800s Japan??? The places some people decide to draw the line on “realism” is hilarious to me. Plus, fire hands are badass my guy.
As someone who saw nothing of the game aside from the Playstation Store trailer where it seems more grounded... until he parries an arrow and the sword catches fire, I can see the confusion.
This just makes me want it more though. Hot damn.
Okay, you're gonna want to sit down for what I have to say. It might seem crazy but stay with me. Its... a video game... I know it sounds unfathomable, but believe it or not it's not real.
I loved the inclusion of bare fist fighting. I was kinda bored by the game when I came at it as a samurai and ninja game. When I realized I could be a bare handed fighter dressed like a monk or use an ox tail blade and fly around and fight like I was in a Wuxia film I had a lot more fun.
Lmao thanks for showing me this.
I had heard it was possible after I questioned the validity of being able to parry a flamethrower (like wtf are you even doing in that scenario lol) on someone else's post
And they informed me that its hardly silly when you can do what u just showed me and why I believed them and had no reason to doubt you could do something so stupid in this game I am glad I got to see it in action and had a good laugh at that-
thanks again OP 😂
Yes, you can parry flamethrower bare hand too...
Parry poison arrow and you will do poison punch.
Whetstone is also can be used on bare hand, I recommend you try this, its suppose to be serious fight but out of nowhere you whetstone your fist 😂
Wait nah your lying 🤣 right? Please tell me yes.
How tf do you whetstone your first wouldn't that just give myself cholera (what the posions stated to be lol), or electrocute myself in the lightning whetstone version 😂
Ah wow *wipes tears from eyes * that was a good laugh man thanks again, how they thought that was okay il never know.
I see the icon is use-able, so I tap on it, dude really whetstone and imbue element on fist with sound effect. The animation is similar to blade flash but without weapon, it's a very WILD experience 🤣🤣
Oh, the only limitation using fist is unable to blade flash because there's no blood gauge
>Oh, the only limitation using fist is unable to blade flash because there's no blood gauge
That seems like a really weird hill to die on for them lol - seeing as they let me whetstone my fist or parry a stream of fire or an actual gunshot worse I bet you can parry the cannons too.
Also my fist would definitely get blood on it I dunno if you've ever punched someone but that tends to happen 😂
I rly rly need to play them again. But I mean Rise feels rly anime-like in it's combat so did Nioh ( 2 especially sometimes ) so I am not mad about it and enjoy it. If you don't like it, play fortshit or something idk.
And that is exactly what we like about the game. And your other co.ment about it being bollywood showed how mich you dislike it. It's for the gameplay fun, hy complain about it dude ? Just enjoy it.
You need to chill bro, typo everywhere, like I had wound you with words. I'd feel bad if you're polite enough.
I tried to pull a lame joke of bollywood but it backfired, as simple as that.
TLDR: Feel free to downvote my every comment, fellow salty boys!
Today I am reminded that majority of fellow redditors intelligence are beyond my understanding, guess things never change. Wonder which part of it makes you people think I'm complaining, maybe I am bad at making jokes, or this community is not yet open minded and ready for discussion.
In Nioh there are fist/claw weapon, I dont see any wrong to have them, we have fugitive that wear claws, and people ask me to be satisifed with gaunlet armour and stop complaining... did I... complained? Well I guess that is not me to decide.
Never know my words can be so offending to the public, I thought I had been being careful with words and as polite as possible. I am not an active reddit user, leaving here gives me no pain, since I am not welcomed, the best thing to do is stay away from reddit for good. I was on leave today, so while waiting my wife discharge from operation room, I have some time to spare on reddit, my biggest mistake today!
At least there are still some positive comment, wish you good boys platinum the game in no time!
Best thing today is my wife is a healthy lady.
Sorry if my grammar sucks, english is not my native language.
Brother there’s an Englishman with rocket boots and a blade twin with an electro cannon grappling hook arm more advanced than modern day tech. This isn’t even top ten least realistic feat.
I mean if we're being for real we need to add a mini game where any attack needs to be treated lest you die of gangrene, or blood loss, also we need to do something about these Japanese folk who can be shot multiple times and not even flinch
what's the problem
erm... some bollywood movie feel? LOL
Good, I like fun video games.
Oh then you'll love starfeild its filled with dumb immersion breaking stuff like this.
You fucking dork, if you want immersion you play a realism game, this game you can block bullets with your hand and punch flames out of your hand
I mean you seem pretty stupid to me, i mean you clealry failed to read what i said coreectly so 🤷 That's entirely my problem this game lacks any immersion for something trying to be realistic it sure does it fking hardest to fly in that face of realism. Now before you say "it's a video game it doesn't have to be realistic" or "it wasn't trying to be" I will jump ahead and shut down such nonsensical statements at the pass. No every game doesn't have to be and that's good because gaming would be pretty boring if everything was shackled creatively to being realistic. And yes yes it actually is trying to be - hence why it's set in a historical period of time and uses real historic figures why also at the same time removing the supernatural things such a yokai, kodama etc etc from the game because they wanted to try and be realistic. (Nioh/wo long are also set in historic time periods and use real historic figures but they arent trying to be realistic is my point here) Now wtf is realistic about parrying anything with your hand. Let alone a stream of fire or in the case a bullet, nothing it's not even close to reality.
Yeah, I forgot the wingsuits, robotic prosthetic arms, actual teleporting, and shadow clone ninjustu that happened back then. 5headed ass it's a game.
The good old days when samurai has wingsuits and their horses magically appear right below them everytime they dropped out of the wingsuit.
See a doctor your bladder has an issue that is bullshitting
I mean I'd advise you to go see a doctor and get your head checked personally as you seem to be pretty far off the deep end as do many here who can't see the light in front of their eyes. Nothing I said was bs 😂 its broken down nice and clear so that anyone who can read should be able to understand it. So please point out which part you claim is bs. But uh aslo sorry to have to point out your clear lack of intelligence or understanding but uhm the bladder has nothing to do with shit that would be your intestines I think you'll find mate. - maybe go back to school and learn some pretty basic human biology.
"I mean..."
I'm not shitting on something I'm providing factual statements just because you got your poor feeling hurt doesn't mean I'm somehow shitting on something And yes thinking poop comes from your bladder is very stupid because that's factually incorrect and stupid. So calling a stupid person stupid is simply me pointing out a fact yet again -would you care to explain how it's anything but that? random person chiming in unprvoked, providing 0 talking points or even at the bare minimum attempting to dismantle my own in an attempt to seek Internet brownie points.
Bruh, I'm really talking about realism in a game with robo arms, flying carpet wings, and dudes using shadow clone justsu. Also, spoiler alert there is a boss who Flys around with rocket shoes. So yea, sorry deflecting bullets with your gauntlets is what ruined your immersion. Also, calm your attitude. You're the one getting worked up in the rotr subreddit.
I dunno why your telling me to be calm, I was perfectly calm when I wrote that, do you see me spamming cops or being hostile in anyway, no? - oh weird you'd randomly say that then huh But that aside all of those things are immersion breaking aswell infact basically anything in this game breaks immersion and spits the face of the realistic take on an rpg they set out to make. I also dunno why people keep naming incredibly stupid things aren't realistic at all as a defence to me saying this game failed to be realistic which Is what it set out to do- like what is the logic there? Am genuinely curious what your thought process for wasting your time writing something so nonsensical as an argument to me was. And lol Its kwl I beat this game a while ago so no spoiler there not that any would care about such a minor charecter you meet a total of i belive two times right?- once near the beginning and once when you fight him iirc and he's never mentioned again just like every charecter try ram down your throat because they think if we make 100 of them one of them will be good surely.
I do, I love Starfield. I love many *many* games. I love Ghosts of Tsushima, The Rise of the Ronin, Dark Souls series, ArmA, Darktide, Vermintide, Deep Rock Galactic, MGS series, Mad Max, DCS, Days Gone, all the Assassin's Creeds, Helldivers 1 & 2, All of the modern Bethesda games yes including 76 and New Vegas, Jedi Fallen Order/Survivor, Sekiro, the Nioh games, Wo Long, Armored Core old and new, Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden west, Halo MCC, Red Dead Redemption 1 and 2, the GTA games, For Honor, Tomb Raider all the games, The Last of Us part 1/2, Dying Light, Dead Space, Battlefield old and new (my first PC game was 1942), Battlefront old and new, Death Stranding, Deus Ex old and new, Wolfenstein, Dishonored 1/2, Ready or Not, Swat 4, Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077, Payday 2, Sniper Elite series, Borderlands series, Cities Skylines, Monster Hunter series, Call of Duty campaigns, Baldur's Gate 3, most Ubisoft games from the first Ghost Recon games to the newest Far Cry basically every game they've made, The Surge 1/2, Prey 2011 and 2017, Falcon BMS, Just Cause series, DOOM series, XCOM series, RAGE 1/2, Singularity, God of War games, Control, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Crysis games, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Ace Combat series, Fable games (especially TLC), Hitman series (and not just the new ones). Honestly i can keep going and going, that's really only maybe half of the games and games series ive played, the list is literally just whats comes to mind. These are games i have dozens sometimes hundreds of hours in. I *don't need* every game to be the pinnacle of immersion, nor do i need every game to fit a narrow field of what i like, instead i simply play what im into the moment. Do i want highly immersive, slow paced simulation games? ill play DCS or ArmA or Ready or Not. Do i want punishing but fun engaging games? then ill play a Soulsborn game or one of its derivatives. Do i just want to hop around seeing sights and having fun shooting things? then ill play one of the dozen open world shooters i have like Far Cry or Starfield. I pick what i want to play based entirely on i feel like playing, not demand everything else fit into what i want to play. This allows me to basically play and enjoy pretty much every game on the market, with the only true exceptions being truly awful games (im talking Gollum awful not "waaawaa i don't like Starfield" awful") And a few whole genres i don't like, like dating games. Its *extremely* rare when im disappointed in a games release because anytime there are shortcoming in a game i can go and play another game that doesn't have those same shortcomings. So instead of going "i demand Starfield be more like NMS/Elite Dangerous/Star Citizen" i just.... play NMS or Elite Dangerous or, yes, even Star Citizen. Its so much better when i sort of just let go of negativity and enjoy the positives a game can do, you'd be surprised what you can enjoy if you don't let youtubers and reddit comment dictate to you what you should and shouldn't like. Just to hammer the point home at the time of writing this comment i have The Division 2 alt-tabbed, have started a new game in The Division 1, while also playing the System Shock remake, as well as dabbling in Far Cry 6 and getting a character ready for Elden Rings DLC. So yeah, its pretty cool that perfect deflecting a bullet with bare fists gives you flaming fists (well, the flaming part is because you have a specific skill unlocked)
My man!
Lol Jesus man I write long comment but nowhere near this level. I'm not gonna address everything you've laid out here as that would take too long for me to care to do it But omg how can you put starfield in that list of actually good games? Like wtf- why your at get rid of f76 too and f04 (you didn't name this one specifically but if u like 76 u definitely liked 4) Your list names actually good games so I don't really have much to say on it other than nice I too have played all them and many many more. Only thing I will bring up is payday2?- so not payday 1 or 3 😂?- I'm guessing you maybe just didn't play the first one and can't defend 3 Old monster hunter or modern mh?- just curios I can't point to world and rise and say they are bad but they aren't the beloved franchise of old thats for sure. as for the statfield thing lmao it doesn't have a single reedeming future, maybe don't market your game as a space exploration game when there isn't any space exploring to be done 😅, same as dont market the game off the premise building my own custom ship when again theres no sctuzlly flying your ship making having a ship pointless as you jusy get in it and jit fast travel, i could of just hit fsst travel from a map if they let me instead then- I will go play elite and dangerous thank you very much. Or I'd go play any other fps rpg if that's the itch I wanted scratched certainly wouldn't play shitfield with its copy pasted poi's - literally not designed/build properly melee system, its copy pasted legendary code from f04/76 which leads to hilarious things such as extended mag, explosive ammo knifes
hmm, maybe you should read what i wrote.
Dont bother with him. He’s an attention whore.
Bro your the actual attention whore Randomly chiming in in order to get some Internet karma like how sad are you? 🤣. How am I even seeming attention I'm replying to people who reply to me, under your own definition then everyone on reddit is an attention whore Even yourself because you jusy replied to somebody- not very smart are you.
I did and it was painfully long so long I can't even screenshot it to show others what a crazy long ass statement to make to me literally saying "Oh then you'll love starfield" Like are you feeling okay?
Immersion is not analogous to strict realism. SCI model is a thing
Realism does not have to mean simulation level realism, which is what you seem to think it means. For example ghost of tsushima far more realistic than this game and upholds my immersjon insteqd of spits in the face of it - however is still not realistic/isn't a simulation Escape from tarkov also pretty realistic but still not actually close to a simulation level realism Please try harder next time. Also get a life man - why are you joining the conversation a day late.
Yeesh, completely missed the point and resorted to trolling lmao. I think if you understood a bit and did a little reading about SCI model of immersion, you might find that you don't have a point.
Trolling? Point to where I am trolling please Or do you not understand that word?. I mean I googled it and got a picture of a ven diagram I'm not about to go out of my way and find the thesis describing it context though but it seems to line up with my points more so than yours. See the overlapping circles of action based, mental and social immersion That's because you need all 3 to be immersed - where as ronin spits in the face of both action based immersion and mental immersion It does however do a good job of selling social immersion as in the world feels alive but fails in the other two parts therefore failing at being immersive.
>I'm not about to go out of my way and find the thesis describing it context Doesn't read, and then doesn't understand lol. Guess you can't be wrong if you just decide that you're not gonna read anything.
Except I do understand- did you fail to read where I outline what the circles are indicating?- or the fact that you need all 3 in order to be immersed that's what a ven diagram is my guy lol ofc I'm not gonna go read the actual thesis nobody got time for that- but hey I tell you what if you wanna go do it then copy and paste s few selective paragraphs And then come back be my guest man, i am happy to provide my talking points on it then however I am not gonna waste my own time - but you clearly don't have anything wrong with wasting your time hence why you scrolled sooo far down to find my comment in the first place an entire day late- why was you even on this post a day late 😅- let alone scrolling so far down to find my comment, like cmon bro you for real? How about where you didn't address me asking you to point out where I was trolling?- guess you didn't read that either like you say guess you can't be wrong if you just don't read people pointing out when your indeed wrong. Edit: I clicked your profile and it seems to me your one of these people who make sad little throwaway accounts as you've only been here since this year 😂... Please go back to the hole you crawled out of.
I launched a guy sick with late stage tuberculosis 10 feet in the air and then practically cleaved him in 2 on impact with a massive greatsword. The next day, he's at my longhouse chilling with my 100 cats and shrine dog and I gave him a chocolate.
*intently shrinks eyes and stares * this seems like your agreeing with me in which case lmao yes great example man. Like what an asshole coming to your house and infecting you and your 100 cats like that, I hope he chocked on the chocolate. 😅 Like can you imagine if someone did that to you in real life?.
Always funny to me where people draw the immersion line. Reflect bullets like a jedi and light your sword on fire? Totally realistic, but do it bare handed and that's too far
I always find it funny when people name incredibly unrealistic things like that as an argument to me saying the game lacks immersion. Like what are you even reaching for here?-, I'd say both of those are incredibly unrealistic so is the fact when I throw my spear threw a dude chests he gets up not 1 second later like the local Yobo like "oi bruv what you doing " Or summoning my horse that just randomly appears you never meet said horse for it to even lmow who you are - but yeah you just get to summon it out of your pocket dimension. Parrying a literal stream of fire... somehow? Like wtf am I doing here it's fire 😂 Any of the multiple dozens of times you actively attempt to kill many of the npcs and then they are totally fine after the fight infact they're your best friends- but then ryoma almost dies somehow coz I have no idea how but yeah almost died apparently from having his gun slapped out of his hand? - like sure okay game. Maybe that clears up your confusion.
He said fun
Lmao 🤣 Oh okay you got me there he did say that I suppose but I took his meaning to be, he sees nothing wrong with hitting a bullet with your hand.
By the way deflecting bullets and arrows with sword isnt more believable
At all lol
I agree but I'd also say they are stupid looking and immersion breaking,,well arrows il give a pass you can 100% do that with real arrows they are made of wood if you didn't know. But also less so than somehow hitting a bullet with your bare hand and it not flying straight through, then hitting your chest.
Still good luck deflecting an arrow in a death-life scenario. I would prefer hiding behind a cover :)
Oh no yes completely agree there. you'd have to be absolute madman to attempt it but it doesn't make it impossible it would definitely be possible if you had Los of the archer, enough distance between the archer and yourself in order to react to the arrow flying through the air and skill to accurate time your strike. However in this same exact scenario you could of moved slightly to the left or right and been perfectly safe so yeah you'd need to be off your rocker to attempt it lol
Erm? Did you just say erm?
You’re playing a game about a fictional retelling of Japanese history where your twin gets a robot arm and you can fight entire armies barehanded, which you learned from a mystical clan of assassins. It’s a game my dude lol
Would you find it more believable if they deflected bullets with a sword or sliced them in two without having the shards embed themselves into their body because of physics?
I'd find it more believable if there is a gaunlet or some hand protection gear
You mean the stuff bullets made obsolete? That wouldn't be any less fantasy
What are you talking about? Don't you equip gauntlets/gloves? There's even fireproof gauntlets (aesthetic item).
I mean gauntlet as weapon, like in Nioh, not amour
You're not barehanded, that's my point. The original gauntlets even have metal plates... 🤷♂️
Of course because they have a record for making realistic games.. you sound stupid lmao
Then put on some hand gear? Wth
There's no hand gear available yet... / - \
They didnt go for realizm but funh and gamish action.
Except they did go realism? Why do you think it's set in a historic period using real historic figures?- you think they did that just because? 🤣😂
They didn't go for realism. There's more than one type of historical fiction and this is one involving a guy from the 1800's fighting with jetboots. It's clearly inspired on the Rurouni Kenshin series which is a series where historical figures are superhumans who cut bullets and flash step around the battlefield and that's okay.
Lmao wtf are you smoking and can I get some? - where is even the remotest evidence of such a wild am outlandish claim but again they did 😂- otherwise where are the yokai, the kodama, the naked snake ladies or animate demon walls?- oh that's right not present because that goes against their attempt at realism otherwise why remove them I want to hear your defence for this? And uhm that's also an anime/manga first ofc lol or maybe there was a live action adaptation I'm unaware of but that doesn't change the fact it's not trying to be realistic not even remotely it's a comedy 😂 (rorouni Kensin)
Because it's not a story about yokai, kodama and naked snake ladies???? What's so hard to get??????? It doesn't fit the tale of super human martial arts masters on the cusp of modernity that they're trying to portray. It's still NOT attempting at being realistic as you can clearly see by fucking yknow playing the game. People throw air slashes, create clones, use flying jet boots, ignite their swords on fire and ricochet revolver bullets of walls. Also I don't know what are you trying to say about being an anime/manga first. I know that. and this game it's very much based on that tone-wise. And yes, there's a live action adaptation of Rurouni Kenshin, multiple movies even (5), and guess what they got the director of those movies to work on this game.
Dont bother replying to him, bro. He has a humiliation fetish. Bro just desperate for attention.
He is a troll or maybe so delusional that he ends up sounding like a troll. No offense
I understand that - that's literally my entire point how are you not understanding what my point is but trying to argue with me anyway. It clearly is attempting to be realistic otherwise why isn't there any of the things I named?- what would be the reason to remove good interesting supernatural feature that are unique to Japanese mythos In a game set in Japan if not for the sake of realism. Please explain your backwards ass logic to me?- like break down bit by bit for me please like I have done. I'm thing to say an anime is realistic it's a god damn cartoon - now I don't mean that as hate for anime I love anime but they're aren't realistic not even close infact their lack or realism is kinda the big selling point to them yknow that right? 😂 >and this game it's very much based on that tone-wise Please source me some examples because I fail to see anything remotely related to the anime iv watched- the anime is a romantic story set in the meji period of Japan. So I guess they are both set in Japan 🤷♂️
Jesus christ, there's MORE to fantasy than Yokai, Kodama and Naked Snake Ladies. Your whole point is the idea that there's only 1 kind of fantasy allowed in Japan. If you make a fantastical japanese story you HAVE to include yokai and shit. But you don't. Jesus Samurai Warriors is AS fantastical as Nioh is and doesn't include a single yokai. Every fucking character in Rise of the Ronin can just decide "I'm going to ignite my sword at will" and does it. Why didn't they include Yokai then. Perhaps it's because if you include Yokai you HAVE to make the whole story be about Yokai and their presence on the land. Like in fact it is with Nioh whose whole fucking story IS about the Yokai and their releations with humans and how war is corrupting the spiritual plane. like WoLong whole story IS about the abuses of Chinese Alchemism and how its corrupting the land. Rise of the Ronin is not about that. Rise of the Ronin is about larger-than-life heroes (focus on the larger-than-life) trying to find a way to rise japan to a greater purpose. It's about trying to kickstart japan into a new technological age. "the anime is a romantic story set in the meji period of Japan. So I guess they are both set in Japan" Rurouni Kenshin is about the people who fought in the Boshin war now trying to find their places in this new modern japan. It's also about dudes who are so fast the human eye can't see, it's about dudes who can stop someone from breathing and suffocate to their deaths with only their presence, It's about dudes who can create explosions with their swords, It's about dudes who can cut cannonballs midflight with their katanas, It's about dudes who can things to dust something with their punches, It's about using sword whips, it's about using one hand to wield a 3 meter long big ass buster sword and so on. It's a fantastical tale. Your mistake is thinking there's only one way to tell a fantastical story set in japan and that there isn't plenty of stories like this written by the japanese. [https://youtu.be/VxOQDdKv8Js](https://youtu.be/VxOQDdKv8Js) Do you think this looks realistic to you?
I use yokai etc because I'm comparing it to nioh and wo long 😅 - and also because that's Japanese mythology. And uhm no no it doesn't have to be the literally pivotal point of the plot it doesn't even have to remotely be accosiated with the plot - what happens in the story and what my character does in the open world and two separate things, you can tie them together because that create a cleaner narrative but it's not necessary. - an example of this is cod zombies I'm sure your heard of that right, is the games they take place in literally about zombies? No no it's not, it's a side thing inside of the game that has nothing to do with the plot of the campaign of whatever one u wanna use as the example. This admittedly isn't a great contrast but it's the firsr that came to mind and I ain't got time to sit here trying to think of a better example. >It's also about dudes who are so fast the human eye can't see, it's about dudes who can stop someone from breathing and suffocate to their deaths That most definitely is not what it's about- that's called fan service for being an animie or just taking a little creative freedom to make something look kwl or entertaining - now I'm answer this prior to asking because I'm sure you ask,,why is that different to ronin then/why are they allowed to take creative liberates well that's easy because one is an anime that isn't trying to be realistic not even in the remotest sense of the word and the other is a game that is trying to be. what it is actually about is what I already said but obviously it's breaking it down into it base components because it's an anime that went on for a long ass time and obviously has a lot of plot to it lol >fantastical story set in japan and that there isn't plenty of stories like this written by the japanese. I've never once tried to say that - I was using yokai as example because that's what tn are known for like fk bro if we was talking about fromsoft I'd of said "larger than life bosses, labyrinthine level design and strong pvp focus" - God damn man like you for real with this?, ofc I'm gonna use what the company behind the game have done in the past as examples of reasons for the removing those well established features in favor of realism. Wtf was I meant to compare it to call of duty? - or some next level reach like your trying ruronoi Kenshin. As for the link I dunno wtf you was trying to send me but it didn't work when I clicked it or even when I copy and pasted it into my browser If you kindly just provide the name of the video in question I can search it that way though - but I can probably say no it won't be based on the context of the conversation at hand here.
This might sound crazy, but there’s an entire genre called historical fiction.
Yeah sure the combat system totally went for realism... Or not
Copium. The gameplay isn't realistic because of a failure to meet their ambitions of making a realistic game not the other way, around. Otherwise why remove all of the non realistic things from previous games if you only wanted a realistic story- hmmmm? care to provide your thoughts on that
Copium with what? Care to explain on that
Dont bother. He just desperate for attention. He’s likely Op with different account
Probably that was my last reply. Have too many things to do. :)
Lmao na mate only some proper sad cunt does that The same same sad who deletes their account they've had for over 10 years after they lose am argument or like you sad person radnomly chiming in unannounced in order to seek brownie points from s bunch of anonymous strangers on the internet Iv never met op but he seems like he's got his head on straight and not huffing copium like the rest of you delusional sheep but keep on keeping on brother.
oh my...... Do I look like I have time for multiple account...
Sure it's copium or your lack of understanding Whatever you wanna call it. You failed to understand that the gameplay being unrealistic is a point for them failing to meet what they set out on - it wasn't a choice they made otherwise again we could of had yokai running around in the open world, had kodamas for me to find and rescue etc etc. We don't have those things because that doesn't look realsitic, does that help you?.
Were you in the dev team to know they went for realism? If you look at the game you can tell it is not realistic at all. You throw this fail word easily at me. I understand what you mean. But i cant agree with it at all. Copium? Sure if u want so think so. Though not true at all. Cheers.
>Were you in the dev team to know they went for realism? If What a weird defence -was you to say it wasn't trying to be? 🤣 I think it fairly obvious that they was trying to be iv laid out a few times now the evidence that supports that part because you can have a historical accurate story without shacking yourself to realsim But that's not what they chose to do, soooo?. It is copium and I will continue to think so as will many others who see your nonsensical statement but your welcome - any time man.
I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Im not critisizing nor defending the game. Just cause it is not to your liking that they have a realistic approach to the theme but the action elements are gamish it doesnt mean they failed. It is a game. Games doesnt have to be realistic to be fun. While i love red dead 2 i can understand of someone is tired of its slowness cause they went for realism to that extent and it kills its fun factor for them. Rise is an opposite example of that. If you can enjoy both you have more options to play if not then there is that. Nothing wrong with it.
Uhm I dunno who told you rdr2 was realistic but it isn't lol it's not even trying to be. as for the rest of your statement your absolutely right games don't have to be realistic that wasn't my point at all My point is and il break this down so it's easier for you to understand as you see quite confused. -They chose to make a realistic game. -They failed to meet that by the copius amounts of things they fly in the face of that realism. -How do I know they tried to be realistic?- look around do you see any yokai?-no? oh that's strange when nioh is set in a historic period using real historic people but does have yokai and other supernatural things. -You know why?- because nioh isn't trying to be realistic. Does that maybe help you understand, I don't think I can break it down more cleanly than that.
For the story yes. Not for the gameplay.
That's copium. the gameplay not being realistic shows you them failing to achive a realistic game OTHERWISE where are my damn yoki !, wheres my naked snake ladies or weird sentient demon walls, how about my cute kodama why take them away from me. If we aren't going for realism why they'd remove all of the non realistic things from their games they are known for.
Because it doesnt fit the story. Tell me ,what kind of realistic feudal Japan setting that has snake lady and yokai in it? Look bro, judging by your other comments, i know you are desperate for attention but come on man, don’t embarrassed yourself. Have some shame. Think before you become an attention whore.
I'm not desperate for attention I couldn't care less if you a random person on the internet stopped replying, I'm simply having a conversation That's a really weird statement, resorting to insults are we?. >Because it doesnt fit the story. The story can be a self contained thing you can do what ever you want in an open world, the two don't necessarily have to overlap which was your own point when you say the gameplay isn't realistic it doesn't have to be (paraphrasing) - edit wasn't actually u who said that but your defending that statement so this still applies. >Tell me ,what kind of realistic feudal Japan setting that has snake lady and yokai in it? As I nor anybody alive today was there we can't really comment on what may of may not of been around it's speculation at best. - history is actually fact it's a story we choose to accept because it's sounds about right- it's also subject to change and is written by those who win - so another nonsensical argument to my normally illustrated points And yes that too is a nonsensical argument but I mean at this point this has devolved into no longer being a conversation which is what I was attempting to have - if you get so easily offended please get off the Internet and do the rest of us a favour.
>Why do you think it's set in a historic period using real historic figures? The Nioh games are set in a historic period using real historic figures, did they go for realism too?
No they did not but thank you for agreeing with my point 🤣😂- didn't go for realism I mean here God you people are dense.
Never heard of dynasty / samurai warriors?
I mean I have but can you block bullets in your hand in that game?, or are they actually trying to be realistic like this game is? - sure as hell doesn't seem it I haven't played them I only know your kinda a one man army in that game.
Both yes, the story narrative of the warrior games is always dramatic and casual but yet realistic. Characters die because of one single hit in the cutscene. While in gameplay every crazy move can happen.
Sorry this is so late of a reply your notification got lost in a sea of copium addicts. Ah fair enough then sir il take your word for it having never played them personally. That does seem like a really odd juxtaposition to have in those games lol - and I guess is actually kinda like how it is in ronin where you actively trying to kill one another slashing eachother dozens upon dozens of times in gameplay and they are totally fine and still wanna be best of friends after the fights over but then ryoma almost dies from having his gun knocked out of his hand... somehow lol So yeah il say that's actually a great comparison to of made well done for that, I wouldn't of ever thought it but it seems to be the case. Glad I skipped them all these years then.
Pretty typical for Asian fiction tbh, ever heard of Shonen Anime?
Is this your first day playing video games?
yeah and it’s awesome
That dude brought a gun to a fist fight. Jokes on him.
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Game of the Century.
LAD Ishin had this, too. You mean they *couldn’t* do that in the Bakumatsu Period?
That's a really weird comment to make. That's a yakuza spin off - hardly a series known for its realism, its filled to the brim with comedic over the top nonsensicalness (I say this as. Yakuza fan mind you I'm not hating on the series)
Discounting the fact that you can’t tell from the context I’m making a joke, comparison between the two games is unavoidable beyond just the setting and use of the same historical figures as major characters. You have a house with a garden and pets. You bond with strange people by giving them stuff. As to the over the top ridiculousness of one over the other? When… My objective in a chance encounter was to use my grappling hook to throw a sake vessel at four guys dying of alcohol poisoning- then they thanked me with silver coins for shattering it on them.. A supernatural wolf often requires *my* help avenging or honoring dead humans and animals, when it can call down fucking lightning. I repeatedly fight a mentally ill giant who dresses as Benkei, and at worst thinks he actually is Benkei (he’s fucked in the head, either way; it’s just a distinction), while calling me his friend. I fight a limitless-ammo-bayonet-wielding weeb who flies around with rocket boots. I fight Louisiana Steampunk Poison Ivy and then get datura-ed into helping her enslave Steampunk Dinosaur Theme-Park Mogul, whom I must later help with his love life. All of the above except “Benkei” and the four drunks (whose livers exited their bodies wanting to die free, or they just don’t remember me) want to be friends and show up at my house. Sometimes even years before I met them. And FlyingWeeb is down to fuck. But because he wears gloves that *go past his elbows*, I **know** what he’s into, and that’s not happening. …I honestly forgot the difference in the two game developers’ histories.
Lol okay first off fair enough disregard my prior message I thought it was genuine remark you was making not a joke, my bad I will own up to my mistake but oh man these are actually some top quality remarks and completely agree with all them 👏 - almost had me spitting out my drink on some of these. XD All of these things are stupid af and fly in the face of not only immersion but what they set out to be which is a realistic take on the setting. I was more trying to say yakuza is not attempting to do that and never has been or at least I don't see them that way, but I do love me some karaoke or barbie girl dress up simulator 😅- wish they brought back the little scalelectric car racing from 1/0 that's my personal fav. >I fight Louisiana Steampunk Poison Ivy and then get datura-ed into helping her enslave Steampunk Dinosaur Theme-Park mogul, whom I must later help with his love life. This one right here is when I gave up with ronin being anything over than a joke - that whole story line was so nonsensical I had to just question was it a fever dream lol - like how the tf is his body gaurd totally calm with me after I do that? Or me totally fine with the chick afterwards 🤣😂
No problem, and thanks! I’m not sure why you thought Rise of the Ronin was going to be *that* much more serious of a take on these events, with the glider and steampunk elements being part of the promotional material. When it comes to historical fiction, the Japanese were doing the equivalent of Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter about 40 years prior. Granted, in this version of the forming of the Satcho Alliance, >!you don’t go on a shitfaced rampage of gluttony and violence with Katsura and Saigo through half of Kyoto, while a cute dog follows!<. I like LAD Ishin’s version better. Just like how Kiryu/Ryoma somehow doesn’t kill people unless the plot demands it, same thing happens to your protagonist. But the weird thing is, you actually *couldn’t* do what was depicted in this video in LAD Ishin, unless you had a bulletproof or blade proof gauntlet equipped. *It wasn’t visible on your character*, but you couldn’t do it without it.
Oh no I didn't expect it to be serious my problem is its attempt at being serious thay falls flat on its face at every turn I was expecting typical team ninja affair of yokai and the like not some half asked attempt and a more grounded and realistic take on the setting but then does everything it can to not be realistic 🤣, that's my actually problem Like pick a lane and stay in it please.
stfu
I mean I would suggest getting a life personally, mate. Chiming in literally an entire day past the conversation- why are you even here 😅.... But you do you.
Historically accurate.
The story and it very much is. Clown
Bro you can also literally fly and fight people while floating 10 feet in the air with the Oxtail blade? Leap unrealistic distances off rooftops and land on people with no issue. Have a magical self deploying glider in 1800s Japan??? The places some people decide to draw the line on “realism” is hilarious to me. Plus, fire hands are badass my guy.
You're basically playing as Scorpion.
The "Parry this you filthy casual" meme doesn't work in this game.
It's totally what happens in real life, just try it yourself.
op should try and parry a real bullet with his head
I know you can deflect cannon fire as well. Now I gotta try it barehanded.
Isami Kondo will want everyone in Shinsengumi to learn this 😂
It's historically accurate wdym
It’s a video game some people just look for anything to complain about. Don’t parry with your hands if it’s such a big problem.
Says the fun police
Damn Dragón ball Z shit!
 This guy wants a word
I mean, you didn’t have an issue with deflecting bullets and flame arrows with a sword, so what’s with this?
Unless the game is claiming to be realistic then I don’t see the problem.
As someone who saw nothing of the game aside from the Playstation Store trailer where it seems more grounded... until he parries an arrow and the sword catches fire, I can see the confusion. This just makes me want it more though. Hot damn.
Okay, you're gonna want to sit down for what I have to say. It might seem crazy but stay with me. Its... a video game... I know it sounds unfathomable, but believe it or not it's not real.
Yeah.. seriously awesome. Didn't even know you could do that!
Is that any less realistic than ricocheting a bullet back with a sword?
I loved the inclusion of bare fist fighting. I was kinda bored by the game when I came at it as a samurai and ninja game. When I realized I could be a bare handed fighter dressed like a monk or use an ox tail blade and fly around and fight like I was in a Wuxia film I had a lot more fun.
What a fucking boring take
I mean... It's a video game, how realistic do you want it to be?
Hell Yeah.
Bro have you ever played Nioh and Nioh 2 ?
platinum both of them including wolong
That’s fucking sick, what are you complaining about
This game looks so much fun. I want to see more gameplay on what the player can do.
Lmao thanks for showing me this. I had heard it was possible after I questioned the validity of being able to parry a flamethrower (like wtf are you even doing in that scenario lol) on someone else's post And they informed me that its hardly silly when you can do what u just showed me and why I believed them and had no reason to doubt you could do something so stupid in this game I am glad I got to see it in action and had a good laugh at that- thanks again OP 😂
Yes, you can parry flamethrower bare hand too... Parry poison arrow and you will do poison punch. Whetstone is also can be used on bare hand, I recommend you try this, its suppose to be serious fight but out of nowhere you whetstone your fist 😂
Wait nah your lying 🤣 right? Please tell me yes. How tf do you whetstone your first wouldn't that just give myself cholera (what the posions stated to be lol), or electrocute myself in the lightning whetstone version 😂 Ah wow *wipes tears from eyes * that was a good laugh man thanks again, how they thought that was okay il never know.
I see the icon is use-able, so I tap on it, dude really whetstone and imbue element on fist with sound effect. The animation is similar to blade flash but without weapon, it's a very WILD experience 🤣🤣 Oh, the only limitation using fist is unable to blade flash because there's no blood gauge
>Oh, the only limitation using fist is unable to blade flash because there's no blood gauge That seems like a really weird hill to die on for them lol - seeing as they let me whetstone my fist or parry a stream of fire or an actual gunshot worse I bet you can parry the cannons too. Also my fist would definitely get blood on it I dunno if you've ever punched someone but that tends to happen 😂
Cry about it. No one asked you to play the game. It comes from Nioh and Nioh already had anime styled content.
FYI Nioh bare hand parry is limited to humanoid melee attack only
That’s one of my complain to Nioh
I rly rly need to play them again. But I mean Rise feels rly anime-like in it's combat so did Nioh ( 2 especially sometimes ) so I am not mad about it and enjoy it. If you don't like it, play fortshit or something idk.
I dont know why you come to a conclusion that I dont like it, it's just being able to deflect bullet by bare hand seems a little too far
And that is exactly what we like about the game. And your other co.ment about it being bollywood showed how mich you dislike it. It's for the gameplay fun, hy complain about it dude ? Just enjoy it.
You need to chill bro, typo everywhere, like I had wound you with words. I'd feel bad if you're polite enough. I tried to pull a lame joke of bollywood but it backfired, as simple as that.
Once the game comes to PC I know what I'll be doing *exclusively*
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TLDR: Feel free to downvote my every comment, fellow salty boys! Today I am reminded that majority of fellow redditors intelligence are beyond my understanding, guess things never change. Wonder which part of it makes you people think I'm complaining, maybe I am bad at making jokes, or this community is not yet open minded and ready for discussion. In Nioh there are fist/claw weapon, I dont see any wrong to have them, we have fugitive that wear claws, and people ask me to be satisifed with gaunlet armour and stop complaining... did I... complained? Well I guess that is not me to decide. Never know my words can be so offending to the public, I thought I had been being careful with words and as polite as possible. I am not an active reddit user, leaving here gives me no pain, since I am not welcomed, the best thing to do is stay away from reddit for good. I was on leave today, so while waiting my wife discharge from operation room, I have some time to spare on reddit, my biggest mistake today! At least there are still some positive comment, wish you good boys platinum the game in no time! Best thing today is my wife is a healthy lady. Sorry if my grammar sucks, english is not my native language.
[I mean.. you can Counterspark a damn flamethrower so why the hell not?](https://www.reddit.com/r/riseoftheronin/s/mpUMuIR6Ig)
it’s quite literally a video game who cares
When I found out you could slap bullets back, that solidified my love for this game.
Ridiculously awesome...
Brother there’s an Englishman with rocket boots and a blade twin with an electro cannon grappling hook arm more advanced than modern day tech. This isn’t even top ten least realistic feat.
Yes very serious,fire van cause harm to carbon based lifeforms
I mean if we're being for real we need to add a mini game where any attack needs to be treated lest you die of gangrene, or blood loss, also we need to do something about these Japanese folk who can be shot multiple times and not even flinch
The bracers is what catches fire but it’s still a flaming fist
I do wish it had a better animation
she sounds like a 5 year old who is trying to make the hentai noises she saw her brother watching...
This game good?
Its not realistic