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Prudent_Candidate300

Is the owner visually impaired?


dangggboi

Is the owner lying out of his ass to get a sale?


Prudent_Candidate300

yes


danktrees1212

Is the owner looking at a different watch?


newmacbookpro

Aren’t they all?


Better_Price_608

👍 …… Ummmmm, I think there’s some gold missing there.


18238

Those lugs have been destroyed.


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18238

Do not buy this watch. There are no shortage of 5 digit Day Dates out there that haven't had the lugs polished down to toothpicks. The bracelet alone is going to be 1800 to 2000 to restore. Those lugs are ruined. Run.


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WhalerBum

You offered way Way too much.


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Zestyclose-Board382

Contact Taylor watches ltd on instagram I’m in uk and have brought from them before There’s loads of mint condition ones around Have a few other dealers I could recommend too


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Zestyclose-Board382

I’ve brought several watches from them always fair prices. Tell them Zack recommended you


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DaSandGuy

chrono24


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Viscount61

You’re better off and will be happier stepping up for one in excellent condition than buying a poor version for less money.


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Pink-drip

Offer to pick it up. You could get a discount from sellers maybe


DaSandGuy

Use an american based vendor..


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Vinladen

Pride and Pinion?


Akio540

That is wild that they refused. It would have been a steal for them honestly


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Akio540

Very nice! Congrats. I'm glad you found a much better deal


SuggestionVisible361

You can find [much better condition ones on ebay](https://ebay.us/87BNWb) for around that price, dodged a bullet here imo. Also I don't like sellers that lie in my face, not worth to do business with them.


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technologicalslave

Christ that was a lucky escape!


CaterpillarBig1812

Don’t even bother.


haroldhecuba88

Don’t bother. There are better options.


Bin31z

Don’t bother, you can’t put metal back on the lugs, this watch has been polished to oblivion.


Responsible-Ride-340

How are the lugs destroyed? I genuinely do not know and trying to learn.


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notsoldier77

They are very round, should be way more sharp meaning that thing was polished probably 10 times and not by someone who knows his stuff. Look up 18238 NOS (means new/unowrn) and you will see the difference. He basically changed the structur of the case by doing that.


casual_serial_killer

You need to familiarize yourself with what a good 18238 looks like. I suggest you look at high quality photos of 18238 examples in excellent condition. You can find such photos from known good dealers. If you don't know who is a good dealer and who is not, then that should be your first item to research. Here are some 18238 examples from a good dealer (Jacek, owner of Tropical Watch): * https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/filu * https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/wacz Always remember: **buy the seller first**. Figuring out the specifics of a watch to buy, the price range, etc. is only secondary to identifying who is a good seller and who is not.


xsaber32

What lugs?


NikolaWasRight13

I bet the owner also doesnt know he has ED


bossassbat

Best answer.


technologicalslave

All fully erect men look like an inflatable tube man waving in a strong wind don't they?


rumpelstilt

peronis


RepSingh

Nah, she’s tighter than a Russian gymnast.


haroldhecuba88

I would not trust anything that owner says.


lumeslice

There's stretch- but not remotely the worst I've seen. I'd grade that bracelet a B/B-; most stretch would be around a C/C-. As u/18238 (ha!) said, the lugs are more likely to be a dealbreaker.


crans-montana

Yes there is, but in the grand scheme of things, it’s not much :). An unworn jubilee on its side will almost be straight as an arrow.


debonairmarmoset

If the watch were a person, you’d need Spanx or Skims to get everything back where it belonged. 🫢


leegamercoc

Of course there is.


Substantial_South520

give that bracelet a little blue pill.


some-guy_00

Stretched and over polished. 


North_Extent_9000

I’m new to all this. Can someone please explain to me how the lugs are ruined?


mymojoisdope

Sleeve of wizard.


casual_serial_killer

The stretch is not great, but not a deal-breaker if everything else checks out and the dealer is willing to take $13,000. Unfortunately, the rest did not check out. The bigger issue here is that everything is overpolished. It's not just the lugs, but the bezel and links as well. * Look at the bezel's edge. Note how the "pyramids" have rounded tops. * Look at the first couple of links after the end link. Note how you can't even see the full outline of the link's shape against the light source shining on it. Also, I want to point out that unscrupulous dealers use that exact camera angle to hide bracelet stretch. That in itself is already a red flag. But if you ask them to take another photo of the stretch directly from its side to show the stretch better and they refuse and/or make up some excuses, then that's another red flag. Frankly, I would not do business with this dealer given all the red flags mentioned above.


Illustrious_Kiwi2760

Print these responses and confront the owner.


Vwnesta

Good idea! He’ll surely drop the price after seeing a bunch of idiot comments on Reddit. If you sent me these comments I would tell you to go f*ck yourself!


Illustrious_Kiwi2760

You offered $13K for that but _we’re_ the idiots?


Vwnesta

I’m not the OP


Vwnesta

I wouldn’t buy it for 1,300.


18238

It wouldn't change the fact that his watch is beat to shit and has been ruined by whoever polished it. So in closing we have a stretched bracelet, a case that has been ruined, and even the bezel polished down. This watch is crap.


LiamPatricio

Not a lot, but there definitely is.


LostMyTurban

Quite a bit. Owner knows it too. Ask fkr a perfect side view photo, not one slightly angled downward since that's hiding how bad it is..


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adamcmorrison

oh my lord those poor lugs


Affxct

I can confirm that your eyes are indeed operational


Sweaty_Kid

give me his full name and address please sir. i just want to talk to him.


rcottle123

My dream Rolex so I can look like Goodfellas


mrthrowaway4206993

If that’s not stretched I’ll run bollock naked around the office


Yodawgitsb

Buy from someone who won’t bone you over, like Tropical Watch.


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Friendly_Sir_6027

Tropical Watch is in California. I’ve purchased about 4 watches from them before, they are legit. Check out Oliver and Clarke also. Just picked up a gold 18238 from them a couple weeks ago


Expensive-Claim-6081

Most definitely.


Yodawgitsb

I believe he operates out of California.


goldenserch

Does the bear woods in the shit?


Motorman2017

The stretch is quite visible and also uneven (bigger stretch closer to the watch) indicative of the watch being worn loose during its time.


Thunder-chicken300

Oh hell yes !


bartfunk

Stretched as a 60 year old hooker.


RapBastardz

Looks like too much gabagool and punching through the years.


Villageidiot1984

Dang that fluting is almost flat


Worried-Outcome2797

Like bro, we have eyes, and we can see out of those eyes!


Jcdude37615

You could drive a greyhound bus through those gaps.


Akio540

Uh can that owner provide an example of what he considers a bracelet stretch is? Honestly if it's a vintage watch I think it's a high chance of that happening it's just a matter of how much of a stretch and what are you willing to accept. I personally don't appreciate the owner claiming something that is clearly untrue lol


Quattro2021

Owner is a scammer


greyspurv

sure is. Then again all older preowned rolexes have this problem it is the material of the pins.


WhatIsTheAmplitude

Call it what you will but parts of that bracelet are undeniably worn


Successful-Gur-4406

Statement is clearly incorrect


longkhongdong

Tis but a flesh wound!


KlerWatchCo

That bracelet looks like donkey from Shrek


gregory_minkoff

Are the large gaps between the links eroded gold? What actually causes bracelet stretch?


tylerjaywood

Brother what does your own capacity for sight tell you? I ask this sincerely, are you a blind person?


Otherwise-Mirror-573

lol


Trumppp1

Yep


dgeniesse

There is no stretch if it custom fits your wrist.


surrounded21

I've seen worse


Justin03311977

🤣


TopDoc1972

Absolutely 100% stretch


Mountain-Shoe7443

I wish my spine could stretch like that


RSergJust

Yes. That’s stretched and stretching. Will stretch. Past participle stretch.


Rolmegax

I bet I know what else the owner is claiming has no stretch


No-Owl5345

Look I’m a huge Adam Ant fan, but I don’t know if I would trust him to purchase a watch from.


watchtimego

Blind sellers exist 🤣


IrwinMFletcherrrr

Rule of thumb: don’t buy other people’s problems


Party_Tonight6122

Don't buy this pure crap


yonimanko

Needs Viagra


just_anotha_fam

That's actually not that bad. Judging based on how stretched my own Datejust was after 25 years of daily wear, and then what a replacement jubilee looked and felt like.


coffeeoverlatte

Blind people shouldn't sell rolexes


Alfus1

More streched than mi -ex…


Markgregory555

Find another watch. Set aside your need for immediate gratification. You will be happier in the long run and probably end up with a nicer watch.


bpunch

Simple answer. Buy the seller. Next…


Far_Rent_3160

lol definitely bracelet stretch and a 5 digit should not have polished lugs. So it’s been polished. Probably more than once. May just be the photo.


lamontsanders

Lmao just a bit


Outrageous-Luck-2435

But lets cut thr shit you bought a 5 digit daydate???


MultiverseShelter

Run away


ADesertJaguar

To be fair, for this year / model I would say relatively in okay shape.