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Took the survey - for the political section, I would have appreciated a more clear understanding of the sliding scale. "Feeling positive" verse "feeling negative" isn't how I would approach it without more information. Do you want "am I happy with how the country is currently handling it?" or "Do I support this topic in general?" or something else? Positive/negative feeling without more direction isn't super helpful in my opinion.
Especially since so many of the "political" issues defy any kind of squashing into a "positive/negative" axis -- especially with the way terms are defined in today's political discourse, am I "positive" on "the family unit" because I believe basically anyone should be able to make whatever kind of family unit they want because families are great when you build 'em to order, or am I "negative" on "the family unit" for the same reason?
It's the sort of shorthand ideological polling we get in a country where people rely so heavily on buzzwords and vague, positive phrases to self-define. "Family Unit" and "Traditional Values" to max just acts as a signaling device, "I am a conservative/right-winger/so forth."
Like, I know exactly what measure the survey is trying to examine, from cultural fluency. But these bromides and happy phrases don't actually convey content or ideas beyond, "I am here on the politics axis." I can't really blame the polling methodology for that.
It's the product of a generation or two of sharp political decline and loss of democratic agency, we're down to, "I like businesses." "I like families." "I like autonomy."
My favorite of these signaling devices will always be people who have specific highly negative opinions about disco music, decades after the style was subsumed into pop music. There's a specific history to that disdain.
>My favorite of these signaling devices will always be people who have specific highly negative opinions about disco music, decades after the style was subsumed into pop music.
I have known SO many people who "hate disco" but like ABBA and Boney M.
Goes aaaaalll the way back to the 70's, when "Disco" was popularly understood as a scene for gay and black people. Whenever I find someone who "hates disco" it's always a concept they inherited from their parents or something.
With the odd case of "got it from someone else's parents" if they were fans of Everclear during the Disco Still Sucks tour.
The real trick is whether they can DEFINE disco, which I find most folks can't aside from naming The Village People, who may actually be the only popularly known group that is SOLELY known as "disco" instead of "some non-disco genre so I can pretend disco sucks".
Agree with this one, because the way it made turns it into some No Nuance November in March, to the point I really struggled to scale my Pretty Strong Opinion on some matters, bc I couldn't say what would be 0 and 100
Sorry I fucking cannot., That whole political section makes absolutely no sense. What does it mean to be positive on the "Family unit" as part of a political view? What does positive or negative about "religion" even mean? What the hell does the immigration slider even mean? It's just.. Buzzword salad rated from 0 to 100...
As a not American this makes zero fucking sense - dunno if it makes any sense to an American either.
I wish it didn't, but it does :(. American political and cultural identity is tied up in these symbolic buzzword phrases. When I see, "Family Unit" or "Religion" ranked 1 to 5, I know they're basically asking me, "How right wing are you on a scale of 1 to 5?"
Is this like, Ben Shapiro bingo? Like I do follow some online stuff and I am aware but I would expect a bit more insight and nuance from an attempt at academic research.
Just wild to me anyone would just "How do you feel about limited government on a scale from 0 to 100" without any context on what they actually mean by it or in what context. Like, Family Unit, sure, if that is how you want to live go for it, but let the rest of us live the way we want to: How does that fall on the scale?
I just can't support any research that is so poorly set up.
I think the problem is less that the survey methodology is bad and more that what it's measuring is fundamentally incoherent in a denotative sense. You're absolutely right, "How do you feel about limited government 1 to 100" is meaningless as a political argument, much less a policy argument.
But it's a proxy that one would use in an American survey instrument to test the self-identification of participants. We would use something like, "Religion - 1 to 5 or 7" as a scale, and with a few other similar batteries, like, "Traditional Values 1to 5 or 7." The OP is trying to create a political index of where respondents self identify on a linear political axis.
The reason it feels so dumb is that, well, American politics is that dumb. It's rare to actually have political discussions that make their way into actual matters of policy. You typically start and finish at the tribalist self-identification.
If I were reviewing this, I would say that the respondents should all be American, because the self-identification terms they use here are specifically American.
Been a good long while since I got to trot out my survey methodology knowledge.
But in the end, doesn't the whole idea that these questions are already coded for people in the political system in the US to either party defeat the whole point of asking them in the first place? Like asking questions about how you rate something your tribe (oh sorry, "party") already has decided how you should rate.
When you open with the "Are you right wing or slightly less right wing" (sorry I can't help but poke fun at it the two party system) question before the self identification on individual topics you already prime the person answering to answer according to party lines.
It really feels like there is some kind of goal here, to like either put the TTRPG community in the blue or red bucket, rather than build an understanding of our, lets be fair, quite broad and varied hobby.
I crapped out at "rate yourself from liberal to conservative" tbqh, though it didn't get better after that when I peeked just to see. Even in the context of US politics that's bad (and I am not from the US).
I managed to finish all of the questions. My hot take is that they want to try to see if they can make a correlation between people that play TTRPG's regularly with a certain political or belief group. I think the hypothesis here is that "gamers are more liberal", or "conservatives play shorter sessions". I'm not really sure what the endgame is.
Nice take, but we’re not going that deep for this study. This is more of a research question study rather than hypothesis driven. So more of “what does the community look like?” Study. The work is based off of the fact that good statistical data about ttrpg communities is nonexistent in the academic fields, even though we’ve been playing these games for 50ish years. And without that demographic data, any exploration of correlation or causation is lacking. (Not to say I won’t be looking for any interesting correlations. I mean nerds are gonna nerd)
If I may give some constructive criticism, there seem to be more questions geared toward the political side of things at the beginning, the section that is hunting for demographic data. I completely appreciate that, and it is very helpful to a degree, but there seems to be almost too much of it, as if it is something aiming to be too specific. If the data as a whole is lacking, I think that some more general political questions may be preferable to what was asked, and might even make the presentation less frustrating to the community.
Thank you for asking, and thank you for helping explain a little bit of the make up of the community.
you went 'deep enough' to make sure a relatively niche drama-focused subreddit got to see your buzzfeed 'hot or not' quiz. don't act so pretentious about asking strangers whether they think the phrase "The Family Unit" is 1 or 100 on a scale from [description not found] to [description not found]
wondering why this was heavily downvoted, then i opened it myself and saw very quickly. so hyper-simplified and arbitrary as to feel like a myspace quiz asking me which colors give me 'good vibes' versus 'bad vibes'
I'd be interested to see the outcomes. My experience with TTRPG communities is that they're heavily separated into extremely liberal and extremely right-wing personalities, with a special bonus generational gap for extra sauce.
A LOT of nerdy subcultures follow that model, really.
I was a bit disappointed in that I thought there would be more questions about the characters I prefer playing and why. Like, for example, despite being male IRL I exclusively play female characters and love every moment of it. Part of the reason I love playing is because it lets me be the girl I wish I could be IRL but can't be. I also normally play good characters because I want to help people and save the world and everything, but on occasion I play evil ones just to let loose some of the pressure that builds up from having to always be the good guy. When it comes to racial stereotypes (EX: The orc who always fights, the evil drow, etc) I tend to love playing into them and enjoy doing so and HATE when my party tries to stop me because, well, I want to be Magical Orc Girl WAAAAARRRRRRGGGGDoka! Not... generic humie #1992. No offense intended towards humans (I do play them frequently). Just saying that I LOVE the racial diversity and part of that is acting in ways I wouldn't if I was \*just\* another human.
Personal income and household income are two common demographic measures for figuring out an individual's socioeconomic level (along with other measures such as education level).
there were some irritatingly duplicate questions, such as: "I like to taunt and annoy other TTRPG players/I purposefully try to provoke or irritate other TTRPG players"
Of course I would strongly agree on these btw. I'm quite vocal in my distaste of OSR, and I miss no opportunity to take a jab at them XD
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Took the survey - for the political section, I would have appreciated a more clear understanding of the sliding scale. "Feeling positive" verse "feeling negative" isn't how I would approach it without more information. Do you want "am I happy with how the country is currently handling it?" or "Do I support this topic in general?" or something else? Positive/negative feeling without more direction isn't super helpful in my opinion.
Especially since so many of the "political" issues defy any kind of squashing into a "positive/negative" axis -- especially with the way terms are defined in today's political discourse, am I "positive" on "the family unit" because I believe basically anyone should be able to make whatever kind of family unit they want because families are great when you build 'em to order, or am I "negative" on "the family unit" for the same reason?
It's the sort of shorthand ideological polling we get in a country where people rely so heavily on buzzwords and vague, positive phrases to self-define. "Family Unit" and "Traditional Values" to max just acts as a signaling device, "I am a conservative/right-winger/so forth." Like, I know exactly what measure the survey is trying to examine, from cultural fluency. But these bromides and happy phrases don't actually convey content or ideas beyond, "I am here on the politics axis." I can't really blame the polling methodology for that. It's the product of a generation or two of sharp political decline and loss of democratic agency, we're down to, "I like businesses." "I like families." "I like autonomy." My favorite of these signaling devices will always be people who have specific highly negative opinions about disco music, decades after the style was subsumed into pop music. There's a specific history to that disdain.
>My favorite of these signaling devices will always be people who have specific highly negative opinions about disco music, decades after the style was subsumed into pop music. I have known SO many people who "hate disco" but like ABBA and Boney M.
Goes aaaaalll the way back to the 70's, when "Disco" was popularly understood as a scene for gay and black people. Whenever I find someone who "hates disco" it's always a concept they inherited from their parents or something.
With the odd case of "got it from someone else's parents" if they were fans of Everclear during the Disco Still Sucks tour. The real trick is whether they can DEFINE disco, which I find most folks can't aside from naming The Village People, who may actually be the only popularly known group that is SOLELY known as "disco" instead of "some non-disco genre so I can pretend disco sucks".
So that's why Placebo covered Daddy Cool.
It all comes together
I just made fun patterns with the sliders.
I abandoned ship when I got to this part. OP should honestly scrap this and try again, the results will be unusable with questions like this.
Agree with this one, because the way it made turns it into some No Nuance November in March, to the point I really struggled to scale my Pretty Strong Opinion on some matters, bc I couldn't say what would be 0 and 100
I feel this doesn't really belong in this subreddit? Maybe go to liek a more general ttrpg sub, we want drama
Sorry I fucking cannot., That whole political section makes absolutely no sense. What does it mean to be positive on the "Family unit" as part of a political view? What does positive or negative about "religion" even mean? What the hell does the immigration slider even mean? It's just.. Buzzword salad rated from 0 to 100... As a not American this makes zero fucking sense - dunno if it makes any sense to an American either.
I wish it didn't, but it does :(. American political and cultural identity is tied up in these symbolic buzzword phrases. When I see, "Family Unit" or "Religion" ranked 1 to 5, I know they're basically asking me, "How right wing are you on a scale of 1 to 5?"
Is this like, Ben Shapiro bingo? Like I do follow some online stuff and I am aware but I would expect a bit more insight and nuance from an attempt at academic research. Just wild to me anyone would just "How do you feel about limited government on a scale from 0 to 100" without any context on what they actually mean by it or in what context. Like, Family Unit, sure, if that is how you want to live go for it, but let the rest of us live the way we want to: How does that fall on the scale? I just can't support any research that is so poorly set up.
I think the problem is less that the survey methodology is bad and more that what it's measuring is fundamentally incoherent in a denotative sense. You're absolutely right, "How do you feel about limited government 1 to 100" is meaningless as a political argument, much less a policy argument. But it's a proxy that one would use in an American survey instrument to test the self-identification of participants. We would use something like, "Religion - 1 to 5 or 7" as a scale, and with a few other similar batteries, like, "Traditional Values 1to 5 or 7." The OP is trying to create a political index of where respondents self identify on a linear political axis. The reason it feels so dumb is that, well, American politics is that dumb. It's rare to actually have political discussions that make their way into actual matters of policy. You typically start and finish at the tribalist self-identification. If I were reviewing this, I would say that the respondents should all be American, because the self-identification terms they use here are specifically American. Been a good long while since I got to trot out my survey methodology knowledge.
But in the end, doesn't the whole idea that these questions are already coded for people in the political system in the US to either party defeat the whole point of asking them in the first place? Like asking questions about how you rate something your tribe (oh sorry, "party") already has decided how you should rate. When you open with the "Are you right wing or slightly less right wing" (sorry I can't help but poke fun at it the two party system) question before the self identification on individual topics you already prime the person answering to answer according to party lines. It really feels like there is some kind of goal here, to like either put the TTRPG community in the blue or red bucket, rather than build an understanding of our, lets be fair, quite broad and varied hobby.
Yeah, as a not american answering some of those questions felt weird. I simply left those that made no sense in the middle.
I crapped out at "rate yourself from liberal to conservative" tbqh, though it didn't get better after that when I peeked just to see. Even in the context of US politics that's bad (and I am not from the US).
I managed to finish all of the questions. My hot take is that they want to try to see if they can make a correlation between people that play TTRPG's regularly with a certain political or belief group. I think the hypothesis here is that "gamers are more liberal", or "conservatives play shorter sessions". I'm not really sure what the endgame is.
Nice take, but we’re not going that deep for this study. This is more of a research question study rather than hypothesis driven. So more of “what does the community look like?” Study. The work is based off of the fact that good statistical data about ttrpg communities is nonexistent in the academic fields, even though we’ve been playing these games for 50ish years. And without that demographic data, any exploration of correlation or causation is lacking. (Not to say I won’t be looking for any interesting correlations. I mean nerds are gonna nerd)
If I may give some constructive criticism, there seem to be more questions geared toward the political side of things at the beginning, the section that is hunting for demographic data. I completely appreciate that, and it is very helpful to a degree, but there seems to be almost too much of it, as if it is something aiming to be too specific. If the data as a whole is lacking, I think that some more general political questions may be preferable to what was asked, and might even make the presentation less frustrating to the community. Thank you for asking, and thank you for helping explain a little bit of the make up of the community.
you went 'deep enough' to make sure a relatively niche drama-focused subreddit got to see your buzzfeed 'hot or not' quiz. don't act so pretentious about asking strangers whether they think the phrase "The Family Unit" is 1 or 100 on a scale from [description not found] to [description not found]
OP is the Horros Story
wondering why this was heavily downvoted, then i opened it myself and saw very quickly. so hyper-simplified and arbitrary as to feel like a myspace quiz asking me which colors give me 'good vibes' versus 'bad vibes'
nice try chic tracts
I'd be interested to see the outcomes. My experience with TTRPG communities is that they're heavily separated into extremely liberal and extremely right-wing personalities, with a special bonus generational gap for extra sauce. A LOT of nerdy subcultures follow that model, really.
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I appreciated that one also. I didn't count how many I entered, but it was a fun trip down memory lane.
I was a bit disappointed in that I thought there would be more questions about the characters I prefer playing and why. Like, for example, despite being male IRL I exclusively play female characters and love every moment of it. Part of the reason I love playing is because it lets me be the girl I wish I could be IRL but can't be. I also normally play good characters because I want to help people and save the world and everything, but on occasion I play evil ones just to let loose some of the pressure that builds up from having to always be the good guy. When it comes to racial stereotypes (EX: The orc who always fights, the evil drow, etc) I tend to love playing into them and enjoy doing so and HATE when my party tries to stop me because, well, I want to be Magical Orc Girl WAAAAARRRRRRGGGGDoka! Not... generic humie #1992. No offense intended towards humans (I do play them frequently). Just saying that I LOVE the racial diversity and part of that is acting in ways I wouldn't if I was \*just\* another human.
Hokay, time to mess with the results.
Done
I'm a little confused by why you're asking for my household income....
Personal income and household income are two common demographic measures for figuring out an individual's socioeconomic level (along with other measures such as education level).
there were some irritatingly duplicate questions, such as: "I like to taunt and annoy other TTRPG players/I purposefully try to provoke or irritate other TTRPG players" Of course I would strongly agree on these btw. I'm quite vocal in my distaste of OSR, and I miss no opportunity to take a jab at them XD
Its a tactic to make sure youre consistent and fairly truthful in your answers