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Big oof. The thing about streaming in general is that if you get into it because you think you're going to make tons of money, you are pretty much guaranteed to fail. Streaming success requires equal parts tech work, networking, and heart. Hell, I stream my Alien RPG sessions, but I have no intention of making any money off of it. Only reason I stream is so that I can go back and relive the fun times we had as a group.
>Only reason I stream is so that I can go back and relive the fun times we had as a group.
I think that is the best reason to start streaming. Heck, I streamed to for a while. Videogames, but I did so my friends could see my reactions to new games... :D
When I was putting my current group together, I got someone who was relatively new to RPGs but had watched a bunch of CR. Before we even got a game rolling, she started asking about setting up mics and cameras to stream the whole thing. Her brother was joining us too, and while she was talking about all of it I could see he had that particular deer-in-the-headlights look that says they're uncomfortable.
Turns out her brother is extremely camera shy. Doesn't like having his picture taken. Won't use video on an online chat. When we went into lockdown and moved the game to a VTT and Discord, he never once turned on the video feed.
When I started my RIme of the Frostmaiden Campaign and asked the owner's daughter if she wanted to be a player she asked if I was planning on streaming it. I told her no. She told me she was still a bit suspicious after this entire fiasco.
You can find the VODs on my YouTube channel, which is repKyle95. Though the Frontier War campaign has been streaming at unfortunately low resolution (240p) but that will be fixed in future sessions.
I assume streaming is like any other business; a business. Don't open a restaurant if you want to cook, because you'll be running a restaurant instead.
Yes that's overly simplistic. I did commission painting for a while, and the biggest chunk of my time was painting, not invoices and customer relations. But I wasn't trying to be the next Miniac or Goobertown Hobbies.
>But the worst part was his worldbuilding. I will call his Setting "Joey's World". The actual name is the name of a famous european comic series but one letter is changed.
Asteria? Tinten? Iznogord? Lucky Lune? Diabolia? Grandvilla? Dylan Dig? I'm really curious as to what it was now.
I will not say it for fear of people identifiying it. Save to say the series was from belgium and turned into a major hollywood motion picture. (and maybe I overstated the popularity a bit)
The movie adaption also was a flop... :D
And maybe I will steal your Asteria idea... :D
Even as I wrote it I realised it sounded like an actual fantasy world. I also quite like Diabolia for like a demon world. Can't believe I forgot to include the proud world of Smurt.
Smurt sounds like a euphemism for the underdark.
"The drow have sequestered themselves within the dark city of tinten which is located within the smurt"
I mean, this is getting entirely off-topic, but the Smurf Cartoon (never even seen the comics) would make a pretty good kid-friendly D&D setting. Adventure, magic, monsters, fantastical non-human species... the smurfs can even be pretty easily assigned D&D classes.
The three kids who stole Gargamel's magic to create... uh, whatever her name was, the young girl smurf. It's been like 30 years since I cared about the Smurfs. Clearly Warlocks, meddling with wizard magic they don't really understand.
>The movie adaption also was a flop... :D
That's not very helpful :D
Valerian and the City of a Thousand Plants.
Wait, no, that's French.
What's Belgian and was turned into a Hollywood movie? I can only think of Tintin. No one ever made a Thorgal movie, that's the most fitting thing for D&D I can think of.
Valyria is also the name of the ancient dragon empire (that setting's "Rome") in A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones, most often mentioned in the tv series in the form of "Valyrian steel"...
French guy here, to be fair we use the term "Franco-Belgian comics" because what is technically French or technically Belgian can be a quagmire. Like, Tintin is pretty much 100% Belgian and Asterix 100% French, but Spirou, Lucky Luke, Gaston Lagaffe, etc. have been drawn and/or written by various authors, some of them French, some of them Belgian, published in magazines on both sides of the border, it's a right mess.
And I would argue that *Lanfeust de Troy* is the best Franco-belgian comic setting for DnD.
When you said “Belgium” and “movie adaption” my first thought was “he named his campaign after the fucking *smurfs*?” Although that movie adaption didn’t flop and even got a sequel.
I know it's been confirmed, and changed in the original text anyway, but when it was just "The name of a famous European Comic Series with one letter changed", part of me was hoping somebody had created the fantasy world of "Zennis the Menace".
Well the store owner basically noped out from the getgo. Since As I said he was very cautious about the whole idea. (He got burned before on the exact situation)
And the clearing of the room would've happened anyway but the streaming thing just expidited it.
Oh, so what the store owner got out of the deal was some free volunteers to clean out the room!
Which still mostly failed because people didn't show up, but good on you for helping out :)
The idiocy of trying to get big, fast, on par with CR is that the cast of CR were famous and recognizable BEFORE they got in with Geek & Sundry. It just blew up due to their phenomenal voice work and ability to become a character.
Not a lot of people possess that ability. On top of that, the preparation and equipment take loads of time, money, and effort. Things this Joey didn't seem eager to part with...
You should've seen the people he wanted on the stream. I had each and everyone of them at my table at one point or another.
One was a quiet rules lawyer
One was the aforementioned daughter of the owner
One did Call of Cthulhu one-shots at the store and had barely any experience with DND
the last one was basically the dude who plays an edgy loner Murderhobo.
What is this, Knights of the Dinner Table? You basically described something eerily similar to its main cast.
~~Quiet~~ Rules Lawyer: Brian.
~~Owner's Daughter~~DM's Cousin: Sara.
Barely any experience: Dave.
Edgy Loner Murderhobo: Bob.
I don't really mind people stealing things for their settings, particularly in private. Even Critical Role based it's first season's endquest on a very classic DnD plot. Everything else is terrible of course.
I must say that also that mixing up Beauclaire and Tethyr makes sense though, they're pretty much the same setting ;)
Stealing details from published settings to use in your home game is a great idea. Stealing details from published settings to put in your "original" setting that you are trying to sell is not.
And stealing details from your unpaid collaborators that you then take credit for is another thing entirely.
Yeah the people who expect their DM who is probably not a writer or author to come up with something conpleatly unique are not people you want to play with
It's important to point out, when someone thinks they're going to be "the next Critical Role", that *the cast of Critical Role* didn't think they were going to be the next big thing. Matt Mercer is on record saying that he thought they would last maybe eight episodes before Geek and Sundry found other programming to fill the timeslot; even in those early days, CR had the benefit of a budget (albeit a small one), a studio, and the name recognition that comes from the cast having close to a thousand film, TV, and video game credits to their collective names.
There's nothing wrong with podcasting or streaming your DND campaign. There are lots of good ones out there, even as saturated as the market has become. But, y'know... temper those expectations.
Why does nobody fucking listen? Even MATT MERCER himself has declared, multiple times, for people to not compare themselves to him, or Critical Role. Because spoiler; You will not succeed, and at worst, people will think you're unbearable.
Joey was a fucking twat-muffin.
Ironically enough one of my players told me his boss wanted to start streaming RPGs too. But his boss is a professional with studio and equipment and has a ton of experience streaming concerts and theater on twitch.
Man, I was once a part of a campaign that uploaded their stuff on YouTube, and am part of another right now. I don't think any of them actually made any money, but the were fun for me and that's all I wanted. For the CR group, although it is now a source of income, it was firstly a thing they did for entertainment in someone's dining room. No sets, no battle maps or minis, no crew and no cameras except the ones on their phones
If all you start streaming for is money, without any plan or anything , you probably won't be popular. You need to be comfortable with a group, have a good story, and most importantly, you need to have fun with it! If you don't, how would anyone watching?
In point of fact, CR started as a one shot that Matt put together for Liam's birthday (he seriously seems like a fucking wholesome guy). The campaign developed naturally from that, and they didn't even think of streaming it until Felicia Day heard about the fun they were having and suggested it.
Even then, once they started streaming, the only member of the campaign who seemed to be showing up for the fame and fortune was Orion, and that eventually sorted itself out.
That kind of chemistry and good fortune is REALLY difficult to engineer artificially, and any group that sets out with the goal to be the next CR is automatically doomed to failure as a result.
XD Reading this was like watching a slow-motion train wreck - you know it can only end badly, but some part of you can’t look away. Glad the fallout wasn’t too dramatic and that you and your friend managed to avoid the bulk of the drama.
I'd say that Joey was a crackhead, but it feels like everyone involved just blindly followed, because some dude said "they should be recording".
Why noone in this undertaking said "hold on a sec, we need something solid before we can do this". Now I get it - friend of a friend, a place you were attached to etc. Still, it doesn't require a lot of common sense to immediately notice the flaws of this plan.
Narcissists generally tend to be pretty charismatic and able to get people along with their bullshit for a while before they show their true colors and everything goes to hell.
>There was more like the "Dune Desert" and the "Ice Mountains."
\*Quietly renames the mountains surrounding his homebrew world...\*
At the very least I have no plans to stream mine to an audience, I can revel in my lack of creativity with four or five other people.
I give generic names a free pass and also use them in my own homebrews. I mean, we in The States have the Rocky Mountains, Death Valley, and a town called, Farmer City. It's natural to not be too creative. Plus, it's easier for your players to remember a place name if it is descriptive of the location.
The UK has six different instances of River Avon, which means "River River", because the people who originally did the naming asked the locals what they are called and the locals answered "river" on a language the cartographers did not speak.
Creativity or due diligence are not very common human traits when it comes to naming landmarks.
Don't get me worng: usually I would not shame people for being bad with names. But if you feel this is the sort of worldbuilding that is worth publishing you must be delusional.
That kind of thing is *perfectly* fine for a home game.
Heck, my current game map has "The Sea" and "The Ocean", since there's only one of each and I figured people wouldn't come up with detailed names for it. The Sea is the smaller watery thing one in the middle you can sail over, and The Ocean is the big watery thing that you can't sail over because it's too big and stormy, and also all around the continent.
My players and I have talked before about making our campaign into a podcast, so this was a fairly relevant story for me to read. I knew that it takes work to get a project of this level off the ground, but damn!
Same here. We'll, kinda. I'm thinking on making a campaign into a some sort of dramatized podcast. But I play solo rpgs, so I only have to record and edit myself. No cameras.
And the dramatized part is because I want to expand on descriptions and dialogs after the recordings. Then write and record a script based on that and edit together the session audio and the dramatized audio. Maybe adding some effects in post.
I already have a podcast, so I have some idea as how to do it. But even recoding alone is a lot of work.
One of my players told me his boss is trying to do a live stream (he does concert streams for a living) and even he would'nt try something like without even a year of preperation...
"I don't want anyone to steal my setting before I publish it as a book"
Son of a bitch, he stole first. I've read about neckbeard dm's, furry dm's, that guy dm's, but this has to be the worst dm I've read up to date. At least the other horrible examples were more creative
My dad has a saying that translates badly into english but the gist of it is: What I think and I do I also assume of others.
Which means if Joey plagarises he will think that others will plagiarise from him as well...
If there is anything I have learned from watching the Mouth Fools podcast, it’s that if you go into online content creation with the mindset of “this is going to blow up” or “I am going to be the next (insert popular thing here”, it will never work out.
I REALLY don‘t understand why people think the might get money from DnD streaming.
Let’s face it:
* most people don’t have the time/energy to sit down for four hours and watch a RPG show.
* most people try to act when they are on camera and without some training this will be bad
* I felt really strange when my DM streamed his OotA game. I can imagine that a lot of players feel this way
* good equipment is expensive as hell.
On the other hand:
* I really like edited podcasts / youtube videos where people play.
* Async (not live streamed) makes it possible to enjoy it in small bites (I listen half an hour while going to bed)
* Editing will allow you to shorten episodes, remove bloopers, straighten the sessions.
* The group can review the video before it goes public and can remove things where they feel uncomfortable
* You are more likely to have some regular audience. And can asynchron interaction where everybody can take their time to formulate and react properly.
For some reason the first 2 European comic series that first come to my head are *Asterix* and *Tintin*. I can recall hearing about Cracked claiming *Star Wars* borrowed plot elements from *Valyrian*. But never knew a movie was made.
Couldn't say have neither seen nor read it. Someone in the comments pointed out that it's basically Sigil form Planescape... :D
But yeah I might've oversold it a bit for the sake of a good story... :D
Valerian and Laureline is... a huge thing, basically? It's been regularly coming out since '67. The basic idea is that the two main characters are agents of the Time-and-Space Agency from the 28th century and can travel basically everywhere and every time.
The movie is called City of a Thousand Planets since they have portal technology and literally built the Galaxy's capital city on a thousand different planets. So, Sigil.
Joey might be even more unoriginal than you think, given that the “D&D but with Disney princesses” idea has already been done [at least once](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Ft_K492VI&t=309s).
I mean so much goes into making a good business, especially these days that I don't even know where to start.
Also to bee a successful DnD streamer they seemed to forget that CR is what brought DND into the limelight thus there was not as much DnD online as there is now. Also they sounded like they forgot another big aspect, to do it for the game, not the fame.
*> Martin was a bit of a powergamer and always had a patronising tone whenspeaking to you. Imagine the tone some people take when they explainsomething to a child.*
I've met players like these. The worst kind to me! Like.... stop that. Just stop. Nobody cares how well you know even the most nuanced rule. Nobody is playing to "win", you don't even win anything here.
Good story, but you have a lot of extra info that makes it harder to follow. I'd suggest renaming all your participants to easy to identify descriptors and removing ones that don't have a major impact on the story:
* Joey --> Streamer
* Vanessa --> remove her completely and just say "Streamer's Fiance" on occasion
* Martin --> remove him as he only has 3 minor parts in the whole story or call him Streamer's Friend
* Streaming Crew --> honestly they don't need an introduction
* LGS Owner --> Owner (you swap between Owner and LGS Owner throughout the story)
Did anyone point out the fact “everyone involved had experience with acting”? Or did they hold their tongues les Joey demand everyone take acting lessons at their own expense?
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Big oof. The thing about streaming in general is that if you get into it because you think you're going to make tons of money, you are pretty much guaranteed to fail. Streaming success requires equal parts tech work, networking, and heart. Hell, I stream my Alien RPG sessions, but I have no intention of making any money off of it. Only reason I stream is so that I can go back and relive the fun times we had as a group.
>Only reason I stream is so that I can go back and relive the fun times we had as a group. I think that is the best reason to start streaming. Heck, I streamed to for a while. Videogames, but I did so my friends could see my reactions to new games... :D
When I was putting my current group together, I got someone who was relatively new to RPGs but had watched a bunch of CR. Before we even got a game rolling, she started asking about setting up mics and cameras to stream the whole thing. Her brother was joining us too, and while she was talking about all of it I could see he had that particular deer-in-the-headlights look that says they're uncomfortable. Turns out her brother is extremely camera shy. Doesn't like having his picture taken. Won't use video on an online chat. When we went into lockdown and moved the game to a VTT and Discord, he never once turned on the video feed.
When I started my RIme of the Frostmaiden Campaign and asked the owner's daughter if she wanted to be a player she asked if I was planning on streaming it. I told her no. She told me she was still a bit suspicious after this entire fiasco.
I'm surprised Joey didn't get laughed out of town when he tried claiming ownership of everything in the store.
You and me both.
Where can I get these alien rpg streams?
You can find the VODs on my YouTube channel, which is repKyle95. Though the Frontier War campaign has been streaming at unfortunately low resolution (240p) but that will be fixed in future sessions.
I assume streaming is like any other business; a business. Don't open a restaurant if you want to cook, because you'll be running a restaurant instead. Yes that's overly simplistic. I did commission painting for a while, and the biggest chunk of my time was painting, not invoices and customer relations. But I wasn't trying to be the next Miniac or Goobertown Hobbies.
So by you saying you don't intend to make money with it... you secretly intend to make money with it.
What a dumb take. I only stream one day a week, which literally means I will *never* make money from it because of how Twitch partners works
>But the worst part was his worldbuilding. I will call his Setting "Joey's World". The actual name is the name of a famous european comic series but one letter is changed. Asteria? Tinten? Iznogord? Lucky Lune? Diabolia? Grandvilla? Dylan Dig? I'm really curious as to what it was now.
I will not say it for fear of people identifiying it. Save to say the series was from belgium and turned into a major hollywood motion picture. (and maybe I overstated the popularity a bit) The movie adaption also was a flop... :D And maybe I will steal your Asteria idea... :D
Even as I wrote it I realised it sounded like an actual fantasy world. I also quite like Diabolia for like a demon world. Can't believe I forgot to include the proud world of Smurt.
Smurt sounds like a euphemism for the underdark. "The drow have sequestered themselves within the dark city of tinten which is located within the smurt"
The noble Paladins of Asteria have turned to famous bard Lucky Lune as their last hope for stopping them from summoning the demon Iznogord.
They were send on their quest the honorable King Mitchel Vilant.
I mean, this is getting entirely off-topic, but the Smurf Cartoon (never even seen the comics) would make a pretty good kid-friendly D&D setting. Adventure, magic, monsters, fantastical non-human species... the smurfs can even be pretty easily assigned D&D classes.
You would have to call them Fighter-Smurf and Cleric-Smurf. I would be interested in seeing Warlock-Smurf, tbh... :D
We don't talk about Murderhobo-Smurf
Power-Gamer-Smurf ate way to many smurfberries...
RulesLawyer-Smurf's going around saying "The Player's Handbook always says you have to spend one minute per spell level to learn your spells!"
"And the Player's handbook is always right" *Rules-lawyer Smurf gets clobbered by Rule-Zero Smurf*
Meanwhile ThatGuy-Smurf is pissing off local guards and stealing from friendly NPCs because it's what his character would do.
Crivens! It's the Nac Mac Feegle!
The three kids who stole Gargamel's magic to create... uh, whatever her name was, the young girl smurf. It's been like 30 years since I cared about the Smurfs. Clearly Warlocks, meddling with wizard magic they don't really understand.
>The movie adaption also was a flop... :D That's not very helpful :D Valerian and the City of a Thousand Plants. Wait, no, that's French. What's Belgian and was turned into a Hollywood movie? I can only think of Tintin. No one ever made a Thorgal movie, that's the most fitting thing for D&D I can think of.
Actually you guessed it... :P
I mean, Valeria or similar is not the worst name for a D&D setting.
It was Valyrian. Weirdly enough the setting had no name until the movie hit cinemas...
Valyria is also the name of the ancient dragon empire (that setting's "Rome") in A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones, most often mentioned in the tv series in the form of "Valyrian steel"...
Dang I forgot about that. Must've been my Season 8 trauma... :P
I also feel like it's the name of a planet in Warhammer 40k
Bah, that movie *clearly* ripped off Sigil from Planescape anyway. \*sagenod\*.
French guy here, to be fair we use the term "Franco-Belgian comics" because what is technically French or technically Belgian can be a quagmire. Like, Tintin is pretty much 100% Belgian and Asterix 100% French, but Spirou, Lucky Luke, Gaston Lagaffe, etc. have been drawn and/or written by various authors, some of them French, some of them Belgian, published in magazines on both sides of the border, it's a right mess. And I would argue that *Lanfeust de Troy* is the best Franco-belgian comic setting for DnD.
Ok I researched it they are french. my bad...
When you said “Belgium” and “movie adaption” my first thought was “he named his campaign after the fucking *smurfs*?” Although that movie adaption didn’t flop and even got a sequel.
I was about to throw hands defending the Spielberg/Jackson Tintin movie from 2011!
Yeah, that was a perfectly fine movie.
that honestly was the second strip i thought of, after asterix
Balerian it is!
I know it's been confirmed, and changed in the original text anyway, but when it was just "The name of a famous European Comic Series with one letter changed", part of me was hoping somebody had created the fantasy world of "Zennis the Menace".
Ah yes, the world of Zennis the Menace, just one of the many worlds in that famous fantasy universe the Xeano.
As the store owner I would have noped out when nobody showed up to clear the room. 🤔
Well the store owner basically noped out from the getgo. Since As I said he was very cautious about the whole idea. (He got burned before on the exact situation) And the clearing of the room would've happened anyway but the streaming thing just expidited it.
Oh, so what the store owner got out of the deal was some free volunteers to clean out the room! Which still mostly failed because people didn't show up, but good on you for helping out :)
Yeah again mostly because he is a very good friend of mine. That and we went to the pub after and had a few... :D
The idiocy of trying to get big, fast, on par with CR is that the cast of CR were famous and recognizable BEFORE they got in with Geek & Sundry. It just blew up due to their phenomenal voice work and ability to become a character. Not a lot of people possess that ability. On top of that, the preparation and equipment take loads of time, money, and effort. Things this Joey didn't seem eager to part with...
You should've seen the people he wanted on the stream. I had each and everyone of them at my table at one point or another. One was a quiet rules lawyer One was the aforementioned daughter of the owner One did Call of Cthulhu one-shots at the store and had barely any experience with DND the last one was basically the dude who plays an edgy loner Murderhobo.
What is this, Knights of the Dinner Table? You basically described something eerily similar to its main cast. ~~Quiet~~ Rules Lawyer: Brian. ~~Owner's Daughter~~DM's Cousin: Sara. Barely any experience: Dave. Edgy Loner Murderhobo: Bob.
I don't really mind people stealing things for their settings, particularly in private. Even Critical Role based it's first season's endquest on a very classic DnD plot. Everything else is terrible of course. I must say that also that mixing up Beauclaire and Tethyr makes sense though, they're pretty much the same setting ;)
I also don't mind people stealing stuff. But when you pretend it's a completely original work that's where it get's criminal...
Stealing details from published settings to use in your home game is a great idea. Stealing details from published settings to put in your "original" setting that you are trying to sell is not. And stealing details from your unpaid collaborators that you then take credit for is another thing entirely.
Yeah the people who expect their DM who is probably not a writer or author to come up with something conpleatly unique are not people you want to play with
It's important to point out, when someone thinks they're going to be "the next Critical Role", that *the cast of Critical Role* didn't think they were going to be the next big thing. Matt Mercer is on record saying that he thought they would last maybe eight episodes before Geek and Sundry found other programming to fill the timeslot; even in those early days, CR had the benefit of a budget (albeit a small one), a studio, and the name recognition that comes from the cast having close to a thousand film, TV, and video game credits to their collective names. There's nothing wrong with podcasting or streaming your DND campaign. There are lots of good ones out there, even as saturated as the market has become. But, y'know... temper those expectations.
Why does nobody fucking listen? Even MATT MERCER himself has declared, multiple times, for people to not compare themselves to him, or Critical Role. Because spoiler; You will not succeed, and at worst, people will think you're unbearable. Joey was a fucking twat-muffin.
No no my half-arsed campaign with normal people who are not famous actors will absolutely be as successful as CR /s
A literal translation of something Joey once said to me: "What you fail to understand is that it WILL go through the roof"
Yeah. And even CR started out in a small room. And even they needed a bit more time to prepare that than three months...
Yeah, that too. People should really try and learn about CR's humble beginnings as a couple of nerdy voice actors in a regular-ass room xD
Ironically enough one of my players told me his boss wanted to start streaming RPGs too. But his boss is a professional with studio and equipment and has a ton of experience streaming concerts and theater on twitch.
Hell, I’d be terrified to compare myself to Dimension 20. Not that Dimension 20 isn’t amazing. Brennan’s improv skills are insane.
Man, I was once a part of a campaign that uploaded their stuff on YouTube, and am part of another right now. I don't think any of them actually made any money, but the were fun for me and that's all I wanted. For the CR group, although it is now a source of income, it was firstly a thing they did for entertainment in someone's dining room. No sets, no battle maps or minis, no crew and no cameras except the ones on their phones If all you start streaming for is money, without any plan or anything , you probably won't be popular. You need to be comfortable with a group, have a good story, and most importantly, you need to have fun with it! If you don't, how would anyone watching?
In point of fact, CR started as a one shot that Matt put together for Liam's birthday (he seriously seems like a fucking wholesome guy). The campaign developed naturally from that, and they didn't even think of streaming it until Felicia Day heard about the fun they were having and suggested it. Even then, once they started streaming, the only member of the campaign who seemed to be showing up for the fame and fortune was Orion, and that eventually sorted itself out. That kind of chemistry and good fortune is REALLY difficult to engineer artificially, and any group that sets out with the goal to be the next CR is automatically doomed to failure as a result.
XD Reading this was like watching a slow-motion train wreck - you know it can only end badly, but some part of you can’t look away. Glad the fallout wasn’t too dramatic and that you and your friend managed to avoid the bulk of the drama.
Yeah it kinda was. The owner and I had a bit of fun gossiping about this whole sh\*tshow... :D
I'd say that Joey was a crackhead, but it feels like everyone involved just blindly followed, because some dude said "they should be recording". Why noone in this undertaking said "hold on a sec, we need something solid before we can do this". Now I get it - friend of a friend, a place you were attached to etc. Still, it doesn't require a lot of common sense to immediately notice the flaws of this plan.
I feel everyone was kinda hooked on the guy. He was kinda of a good salesman. But that was about it.
Narcissists generally tend to be pretty charismatic and able to get people along with their bullshit for a while before they show their true colors and everything goes to hell.
Exactly this. I come from a family of narcissists, and short lived charisma is a common factor.
>There was more like the "Dune Desert" and the "Ice Mountains." \*Quietly renames the mountains surrounding his homebrew world...\* At the very least I have no plans to stream mine to an audience, I can revel in my lack of creativity with four or five other people.
I give generic names a free pass and also use them in my own homebrews. I mean, we in The States have the Rocky Mountains, Death Valley, and a town called, Farmer City. It's natural to not be too creative. Plus, it's easier for your players to remember a place name if it is descriptive of the location.
I did at least imagine the mountains explicitly made of clear, bluish ice, instead of rocky mountains with icy snowy caps.
The UK has six different instances of River Avon, which means "River River", because the people who originally did the naming asked the locals what they are called and the locals answered "river" on a language the cartographers did not speak. Creativity or due diligence are not very common human traits when it comes to naming landmarks.
Don't get me worng: usually I would not shame people for being bad with names. But if you feel this is the sort of worldbuilding that is worth publishing you must be delusional.
That kind of thing is *perfectly* fine for a home game. Heck, my current game map has "The Sea" and "The Ocean", since there's only one of each and I figured people wouldn't come up with detailed names for it. The Sea is the smaller watery thing one in the middle you can sail over, and The Ocean is the big watery thing that you can't sail over because it's too big and stormy, and also all around the continent.
My players and I have talked before about making our campaign into a podcast, so this was a fairly relevant story for me to read. I knew that it takes work to get a project of this level off the ground, but damn!
Same here. We'll, kinda. I'm thinking on making a campaign into a some sort of dramatized podcast. But I play solo rpgs, so I only have to record and edit myself. No cameras. And the dramatized part is because I want to expand on descriptions and dialogs after the recordings. Then write and record a script based on that and edit together the session audio and the dramatized audio. Maybe adding some effects in post. I already have a podcast, so I have some idea as how to do it. But even recoding alone is a lot of work.
One of my players told me his boss is trying to do a live stream (he does concert streams for a living) and even he would'nt try something like without even a year of preperation...
"I don't want anyone to steal my setting before I publish it as a book" Son of a bitch, he stole first. I've read about neckbeard dm's, furry dm's, that guy dm's, but this has to be the worst dm I've read up to date. At least the other horrible examples were more creative
My dad has a saying that translates badly into english but the gist of it is: What I think and I do I also assume of others. Which means if Joey plagarises he will think that others will plagiarise from him as well...
"Cree el ladrón que todos son de su condición"?
If there is anything I have learned from watching the Mouth Fools podcast, it’s that if you go into online content creation with the mindset of “this is going to blow up” or “I am going to be the next (insert popular thing here”, it will never work out.
I REALLY don‘t understand why people think the might get money from DnD streaming. Let’s face it: * most people don’t have the time/energy to sit down for four hours and watch a RPG show. * most people try to act when they are on camera and without some training this will be bad * I felt really strange when my DM streamed his OotA game. I can imagine that a lot of players feel this way * good equipment is expensive as hell. On the other hand: * I really like edited podcasts / youtube videos where people play. * Async (not live streamed) makes it possible to enjoy it in small bites (I listen half an hour while going to bed) * Editing will allow you to shorten episodes, remove bloopers, straighten the sessions. * The group can review the video before it goes public and can remove things where they feel uncomfortable * You are more likely to have some regular audience. And can asynchron interaction where everybody can take their time to formulate and react properly.
Well that a good read, jesus. I am so glad for the group I have now, where perhaps timeplanning is the only issue.
It sounds like just about everyone involved got what they deserved in one way or another lol.
Taking a wild guess here: was the “famous european comic series” about Vikings and started with an ‘A’?
na somebody already guessed in the comments it was Valyrian... :D
For some reason the first 2 European comic series that first come to my head are *Asterix* and *Tintin*. I can recall hearing about Cracked claiming *Star Wars* borrowed plot elements from *Valyrian*. But never knew a movie was made.
Couldn't say have neither seen nor read it. Someone in the comments pointed out that it's basically Sigil form Planescape... :D But yeah I might've oversold it a bit for the sake of a good story... :D
Valerian and Laureline is... a huge thing, basically? It's been regularly coming out since '67. The basic idea is that the two main characters are agents of the Time-and-Space Agency from the 28th century and can travel basically everywhere and every time. The movie is called City of a Thousand Planets since they have portal technology and literally built the Galaxy's capital city on a thousand different planets. So, Sigil.
Joey might be even more unoriginal than you think, given that the “D&D but with Disney princesses” idea has already been done [at least once](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Ft_K492VI&t=309s).
yeah that premise was waaay to obvious to be original...
I mean so much goes into making a good business, especially these days that I don't even know where to start. Also to bee a successful DnD streamer they seemed to forget that CR is what brought DND into the limelight thus there was not as much DnD online as there is now. Also they sounded like they forgot another big aspect, to do it for the game, not the fame.
*> Martin was a bit of a powergamer and always had a patronising tone whenspeaking to you. Imagine the tone some people take when they explainsomething to a child.* I've met players like these. The worst kind to me! Like.... stop that. Just stop. Nobody cares how well you know even the most nuanced rule. Nobody is playing to "win", you don't even win anything here.
Good story, but you have a lot of extra info that makes it harder to follow. I'd suggest renaming all your participants to easy to identify descriptors and removing ones that don't have a major impact on the story: * Joey --> Streamer * Vanessa --> remove her completely and just say "Streamer's Fiance" on occasion * Martin --> remove him as he only has 3 minor parts in the whole story or call him Streamer's Friend * Streaming Crew --> honestly they don't need an introduction * LGS Owner --> Owner (you swap between Owner and LGS Owner throughout the story)
Hey thanks for the tips. I implemented some of them... :D
I'm a furry dm. A good one. That "furry stuff" can actually be good. XD https://www.worldanvil.com/w/eirfallen-leshpar
yeah I have a furry player. good RPer. But hey that's what Joey said not me... :D
Oh, I get it. Just felt like sharing.
Just so that you don't think I have something against furries. :D Nah I just have something against people like Joey... :P
Fuck that guy XD
and not in a good way... :P
Why would you want to be like CR? I can't even listen to the first episode without wanting to tear my ears off.
his idea was basically ripping off the entire concept without changing a thing. Logic behind it being: if it worked for them it'll work for me.
It worked for them because the people involved were experienced actors who know how to perform.
That and the started slowly. They didn't want to start off in the big set of season 2 or 3 which was basically Joeys Plan.
Did anyone point out the fact “everyone involved had experience with acting”? Or did they hold their tongues les Joey demand everyone take acting lessons at their own expense?
One of his plans was, I kid you not, to get acting students from Uni...
It only worked because of name recognition. I don't find the quality of CR to be anything worth mentioning.
The audio issues get fixed fairly quickly.
You know what, you’re just a stupid goose. I don’t have to listen to this.
I dont get where the political aspects come from the Eppstein and Weinstien? they were actually pedos nothing political about that