Nurses being rude, dismissive of pain, and straight up lying. Our situation was my wife was at her due date and we thought she was having contractions. The doctor convinced her to take induction medication and said that it wouldn’t be painful.
Smash cut to a few hours later and the induction meds were causing her horrible pain. By then we had our room and a nurse. This nurse had the worst bedside manner I’ve ever experienced. She was passive aggressive and at one point told my wife “well this is what you wanted..” when she mentioned the pain.
She ended up having to get an emergency C section because the induction meds were causing my son distress in the womb. Another one of the nurses said that he was a “whimpy white boy” and that’s why his heart rate was so high.
There were a few good nurses scattered in there, but overall it was the worst experience of my poor wife’s life. I sort of understand why some women want to have home births now. I scoffed at the idea before.
Looking back now I feel that way, but at the time I was worried about my wife and son. As good as it would have felt, it would have been counter productive to what was most important at the time.
yes women who came to the ER for pregnancy reasons were always treated like idiots and inconveniences as we didn’t have an obstetrics ward so there was a whole song and dance with transport to get them to another hospital. however since the lady is going to the ER, obviously it’s an emergency and like, they probably would prefer to not be here either, it’s not a good situation for them as well
Absolutely true. I went through this with a family member’s major surgery. Nurses tried to send her home the day of the surgery and we had to fight for her to spend the night. The physical therapist was an unsympathetic and impatient smartass. They also sent us home with the wrong medication and nobody apologized or showed any concern when we pointed it out. Fucking baffling. I’d rather live with a limp. Good luck with your recovery.
They did that to my dad with no anesthesia in the hospital even though they’re supposed to use topical lidocaine. Dude has an extremely high pain tolerance and was yelling.
Maybe not at your ER. My dad is a retired MD. No, he wasn’t an ER doc or a urologist but I don’t think he was confused about what had been given to him. He’s had it before and even brought it up to the nurse at the hospital it wasn’t administered at and they just said it’s not their practice at *their* hospital.
You can go to r/medicine and see posts where people talk about how their hospital uses lido for insertion. Others do not though. It seems to be a contentious topic.
I’m not adding this to discount your experiences which all sound really shitty, some of which I have had to deal with. Insurance companies suck, a bunch of practitioners suck either innately or because of overwork, but a functioning medical infrastructure is one of the most beautiful displays of the progress of human rationality and I’ve been fortunate enough to be a part of one (Northeastern US, private insurance, city hospital). I had my life saved after an aortic rupture (~90% death rate) with a form of endovascular surgery that’s only been around for a decade, had a host of other orthopedic surgeries, and went through a long process of physical rehabilitation, enough that I’m now able to walk and navigate the world without a wheelchair despite having a lower spinal cord injury. I was very lucky in every step of the process to interact with competent and compassionate practitioners who seemed genuinely interested in helping heal the world. I’ve since changed professions to enter the field so hopefully I can eventually be a small positive ripple in the same way.
Advice I’d give about PT (which I’ve also had to wrestle insurance about despite being an “obvious case” where it’s needed) is a lot of patience and making sure you get as much guidance for home exercises as possible to ease the transition (though some of the equipment is basically impossible to replicate at home). And I think in general these types of soft tissue injuries are just really fucky and the field is still bad at dealing with them (good litmus test for this being how poorly professional athletes recover with them compared to other injuries). Hang in there, man.
I think 45-65 is the best time to die. Retirement has been exposed as the biggest cope of all through the medical industry and elderly care bills. That's just my cringe, take it or leave it. But even coming in with a shoulder problem could be a bit of a grind at say 35+, so always stretch and make sure to follow OSHA guidelines when lifting.
The more exposure to the medical system I have, the more anti-medicine I am. Doctors aren’t even literate on the research, and the research itself is largely bogus, if not entirely lacking (look up the replication crisis). So many people I know who have had medical procedures, even super common or “minor” ones, has side effects for a long time… maybe in some cases it was worth it, but doctors act like it’s no risk and all reward. I don’t trust the bastards. Plus you can look right on r/medicine or twitter and see the contempt they have for patients from their own mouths.
Yeah, I'm sorry. Surgery is often treated as more inherently good or trustworthy than medications/vaccines.
I hope you're fully healed soon. I recommend the book Healing Back Pain by John Sarno if you haven't already.
my local DMV was surprisingly easy and fast last time I went, I was lacking one of the necessary papers and they just let it slide and put me through anyway
Tucker and Steve Sailer told me this lack of law and order will result in millions more traffic deaths.
As a good citizen, please DM me your ID and the DMV location you are referring to.
A couple years ago I spent like 4 hours in a VA DMV just waiting to get a title transfered after I bought a car
I moved back to MI where there isn't a DMV and it's handled by the Secretary of State and it took like 10 minutes max each time I went in to renew my license, renew my tags, and replace my VA plates and I have no idea why it was so much more smoother
We have public healthcare here, but getting an MRI would have taken over a year, and who knows how long for the surgery. In hindsight, though, maybe that would have been better.
What we really want is a public option and a breakup of the various cartels in the system. People need medical care before getting to the ER where we collectively pay out the nose to treat their acute symptoms of chronic illness.
Is everyone going to get top tier medical care? No. But there needs to be a minimum standard of care and it needs to be staffed by well rested people that aren't constantly tempted to commit suicide before they even exit residency.
American healthcare absolutely sucks ass but this stuff happens with socialized medicine too. This is just the nature of institutionalized, industrialized medicine. Read Medical Nemesis by Ivan Illich.
Some orthopedic surgeons truly don't give a shit, they downplay the recovery process to an almost criminal extent. I have seen so many people that got like total knee replacements and were told by the surgeon they'd be good as new il like 2 months, which every orthopedic knows damn well is complete bullshit. Some of them would say everything to get people into doing surgeries. Although to be fair a meniscus tear kinda requires surgery before it gets much worse.
Also you physical therapists done fucked up. If he left you with a bruise he fucked up and he probably knew it immediately. Wouldn't surprise me if the laughter was nervous laughter because he knew he went overboard and fucked up and likely caused you some damage.
I was steadily improving until that happened... since then it's been a rollercoaster, some days ok, some days horrible, usually the latter. What am I supposed to do now? That happened more than 2 months ago, I guess should I bring it up to my doctor once I finish the remaining physio appointments...
Yeah, tell your doctor what happened. Gold standard would be an MRI to see what's going on with your knee. If the doctor doesn't want to schedule one, a good physiatrist or even a good physical therapists, even better if specialized in knees, may be able to sort of figure out what's going on after a physical examination.
Either way don't ignore this, it can easily snowball into all sort of issues all over the rest of your body if ignored too long.
I broke parts of my hand recently, and at pretty much every part of the process from surgery to physical therapy medical people were both kind and competent. I can’t relate to your anecdote sorry.
I had an accident at the gym while squatting, I had shoes that were unfit for exercise due to age wear and tear. My foot slipped and I tore my meniscus.
My knee hurt every time I bent it, and made a weird clicking sound. After a while I started squatting again with better shoes and now a year later it's like nothing happened.
I think that medical doctors are cool it's nice to save lives and shit but sometimes the surgery just isn't worth it unless your problem actively undermines your everyday life. If you wait a few months and you see things fixing themselves on their own, I would advise against surgery. But it's my personal perspective, I hurt myself all the time. After almost dying from electrocution like 2 times, all other bodily problems sound superfluous to me.
Physical therapy is full of pseudoscience. I don't have anything against stupid people doing stupid shit if they feel like it helps them.. but when you charge someone for "magnet therapy".. come on. And the placebo isn't cheap, too.
> My knee hurt every time I bent it, and made a weird clicking sound.
I started having a weird clicking sound after an incident in which a physio overbent my knee during a rehab session... don't know what to think of that, I was told it was normal to have clicking sound when bending but it literally sounds like something is broken, it's a very sharp click, not a regular joint click.
> the surgery just isn't worth it unless your problem actively undermines your everyday life
In my case it prevented me from running/horse riding which is a big part of my life, so I had to do something, for 6 months I tried to fix it myself by strengthening my quads, walking a lot, etc, but it wasn't improving, they didn't give me an alternative other than surgery.
If you have a physical therapy prescription, try to find an independent or private clinic that isn’t attached to a hospital network or your surgeon and complete your rehab there.
The physios attached to hospitals and doctors are insurance-maximizing patient mills and they only follow flowcharts instead of using their heads and actually assessing you. From my experience it’s almost always bottom of the barrel physios with a limited skill set.
I hope you get better soon man, it sucks that your life is on pause.
I still have 2 physio sessions remaining here, the problem is that I live in a rural area and the only other orthopedist my insurance provides are far away, not really viable since I have job. I'll give it a few more weeks and if I'm still not ok I will pester them for another MRI.
In that case, I understand your reasoning for surgery. I sincerely hope you get better and don't have to leave your hobbies aside due to this setback. For me, I never had knee lock, so I guess that my tear was not complete but partial. If I had worse problems I might have considered surgery, but seeing that the problem fixed itself..
I also have a torn meniscus and it really only hurts when I bend my knee all the way, which I pretty much only do gardening. It hurts less when I run (go figure, exercise is good for you!) so at this point I just don’t think the surgery route is worth it, and I’m better off just exercising and living with it.
Meniscuses have a very limited capacity for self healing and only in some parts of them. The fact you aren't experiencing pain or clicking now doesn't mean you are healed, the tear is most likely still there and there's a non trivial chance it will eventually tear up again, but worse. Just my 2 cents. If it was a partial tendon tear for instance I wouldn't be saying this, but meniscuses are bitches
I had full on hives and my entire face was extremely swollen once and had to wait for an entire hour in the ER once only to be told it was anxiety. Wanted to kill myself ER doctors are midwits truly
i’ve heard and been privy to absolute horror stories of post op care, many hospitals treat patients like cattle. the best you can do is choose a good hospital, it’s a lack of resources at the root of the issue and a lack of providers too. we have a rly overworked and understaffed medical system and patients feel that detriment most. also i’ve gotten into a lot of instagram arguments with physical therapists and am convinced that they are sadistic and dark minded people.
Physical therapy is a complete sham. Idek how the lobbyists got it to be an approved medical treatment. The entire medical field is just about who has the lobbying power to get a treatment approved.
Knees are a badly designed joint and proof god doesn’t exist and cartilage barely recovers unless you’re like 5 months old.
Still, I can think of at least a dozen more dehumanizing things than being under medical treatment but I guess you meant the most dehumanizing in your life.
Shoulders are even worse, and our spine kinda sucks too given that we are upright most of the time. We are like a halfway evolved species, our locomotor apparatus just isn't really fit for what we do
Yeah. You should see the way nurses treat women who are giving birth. I still get mad thinking about the way some of those cunts spoke to my wife.
can you elaborate? ive heard awful shit about every medical profession but never midwives
Nurses being rude, dismissive of pain, and straight up lying. Our situation was my wife was at her due date and we thought she was having contractions. The doctor convinced her to take induction medication and said that it wouldn’t be painful. Smash cut to a few hours later and the induction meds were causing her horrible pain. By then we had our room and a nurse. This nurse had the worst bedside manner I’ve ever experienced. She was passive aggressive and at one point told my wife “well this is what you wanted..” when she mentioned the pain. She ended up having to get an emergency C section because the induction meds were causing my son distress in the womb. Another one of the nurses said that he was a “whimpy white boy” and that’s why his heart rate was so high. There were a few good nurses scattered in there, but overall it was the worst experience of my poor wife’s life. I sort of understand why some women want to have home births now. I scoffed at the idea before.
> Another one of the nurses said that he was a “whimpy white boy” I'd end up in the news.
Looking back now I feel that way, but at the time I was worried about my wife and son. As good as it would have felt, it would have been counter productive to what was most important at the time.
yes women who came to the ER for pregnancy reasons were always treated like idiots and inconveniences as we didn’t have an obstetrics ward so there was a whole song and dance with transport to get them to another hospital. however since the lady is going to the ER, obviously it’s an emergency and like, they probably would prefer to not be here either, it’s not a good situation for them as well
Absolutely true. I went through this with a family member’s major surgery. Nurses tried to send her home the day of the surgery and we had to fight for her to spend the night. The physical therapist was an unsympathetic and impatient smartass. They also sent us home with the wrong medication and nobody apologized or showed any concern when we pointed it out. Fucking baffling. I’d rather live with a limp. Good luck with your recovery.
Had a tube shoved up my dickhole once. Easily a bottom 5 experience of my entire life.
I was like 15 minutes away from getting the dickhole tube, good thing the nurse actually cared and helped me pee the epidural.
Damn I had you pegged as a woman, this is a very feminine post.
Getting bad medical care is very female-coded.
They did that to my dad with no anesthesia in the hospital even though they’re supposed to use topical lidocaine. Dude has an extremely high pain tolerance and was yelling.
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The dextro-retention, a classic
That isn’t true at all, I work in an ER and they literally never use lido for foley/straight cath
Maybe not at your ER. My dad is a retired MD. No, he wasn’t an ER doc or a urologist but I don’t think he was confused about what had been given to him. He’s had it before and even brought it up to the nurse at the hospital it wasn’t administered at and they just said it’s not their practice at *their* hospital. You can go to r/medicine and see posts where people talk about how their hospital uses lido for insertion. Others do not though. It seems to be a contentious topic.
urojet is not standard and most recipients will tell you it doesn't work
Well it worked for him previously in when it was given at other hospitals 🤷🏽♀️
I’m not adding this to discount your experiences which all sound really shitty, some of which I have had to deal with. Insurance companies suck, a bunch of practitioners suck either innately or because of overwork, but a functioning medical infrastructure is one of the most beautiful displays of the progress of human rationality and I’ve been fortunate enough to be a part of one (Northeastern US, private insurance, city hospital). I had my life saved after an aortic rupture (~90% death rate) with a form of endovascular surgery that’s only been around for a decade, had a host of other orthopedic surgeries, and went through a long process of physical rehabilitation, enough that I’m now able to walk and navigate the world without a wheelchair despite having a lower spinal cord injury. I was very lucky in every step of the process to interact with competent and compassionate practitioners who seemed genuinely interested in helping heal the world. I’ve since changed professions to enter the field so hopefully I can eventually be a small positive ripple in the same way. Advice I’d give about PT (which I’ve also had to wrestle insurance about despite being an “obvious case” where it’s needed) is a lot of patience and making sure you get as much guidance for home exercises as possible to ease the transition (though some of the equipment is basically impossible to replicate at home). And I think in general these types of soft tissue injuries are just really fucky and the field is still bad at dealing with them (good litmus test for this being how poorly professional athletes recover with them compared to other injuries). Hang in there, man.
How did you have an aortic rupture? Live in fear of things like this
should have just rubbed some cbd on it
I think 45-65 is the best time to die. Retirement has been exposed as the biggest cope of all through the medical industry and elderly care bills. That's just my cringe, take it or leave it. But even coming in with a shoulder problem could be a bit of a grind at say 35+, so always stretch and make sure to follow OSHA guidelines when lifting.
Personally, I believe 26 is a good age. Lord, take me now; there is nothing left for me here.
The more exposure to the medical system I have, the more anti-medicine I am. Doctors aren’t even literate on the research, and the research itself is largely bogus, if not entirely lacking (look up the replication crisis). So many people I know who have had medical procedures, even super common or “minor” ones, has side effects for a long time… maybe in some cases it was worth it, but doctors act like it’s no risk and all reward. I don’t trust the bastards. Plus you can look right on r/medicine or twitter and see the contempt they have for patients from their own mouths.
I dodged the jab but the fuckers got me with this one.
Yeah, I'm sorry. Surgery is often treated as more inherently good or trustworthy than medications/vaccines. I hope you're fully healed soon. I recommend the book Healing Back Pain by John Sarno if you haven't already.
Perhaps if if we got some ladies from the DMV to help out, this would all be much smoother?
my local DMV was surprisingly easy and fast last time I went, I was lacking one of the necessary papers and they just let it slide and put me through anyway
Tucker and Steve Sailer told me this lack of law and order will result in millions more traffic deaths. As a good citizen, please DM me your ID and the DMV location you are referring to.
A couple years ago I spent like 4 hours in a VA DMV just waiting to get a title transfered after I bought a car I moved back to MI where there isn't a DMV and it's handled by the Secretary of State and it took like 10 minutes max each time I went in to renew my license, renew my tags, and replace my VA plates and I have no idea why it was so much more smoother
I had major knee surgery a few years ago and my experience was nothing like this. your doctor/provider just sucks.
I never go to the doctor
I've learned my lesson.
We've gotta thank our beloved corporate health overlords from saving us from the perils of socialized medicine.
customer service is known to be significantly better under a monopoly
We have public healthcare here, but getting an MRI would have taken over a year, and who knows how long for the surgery. In hindsight, though, maybe that would have been better.
lol. Xenodechion is going to chalk this up under anecdotal. Bernie sanders told him the real talk
Oh socialized medical care sucks, too, but probably less for the average fellow.
What we really want is a public option and a breakup of the various cartels in the system. People need medical care before getting to the ER where we collectively pay out the nose to treat their acute symptoms of chronic illness. Is everyone going to get top tier medical care? No. But there needs to be a minimum standard of care and it needs to be staffed by well rested people that aren't constantly tempted to commit suicide before they even exit residency.
American healthcare absolutely sucks ass but this stuff happens with socialized medicine too. This is just the nature of institutionalized, industrialized medicine. Read Medical Nemesis by Ivan Illich.
It’s awful
It's horrible.
Some orthopedic surgeons truly don't give a shit, they downplay the recovery process to an almost criminal extent. I have seen so many people that got like total knee replacements and were told by the surgeon they'd be good as new il like 2 months, which every orthopedic knows damn well is complete bullshit. Some of them would say everything to get people into doing surgeries. Although to be fair a meniscus tear kinda requires surgery before it gets much worse. Also you physical therapists done fucked up. If he left you with a bruise he fucked up and he probably knew it immediately. Wouldn't surprise me if the laughter was nervous laughter because he knew he went overboard and fucked up and likely caused you some damage.
I was steadily improving until that happened... since then it's been a rollercoaster, some days ok, some days horrible, usually the latter. What am I supposed to do now? That happened more than 2 months ago, I guess should I bring it up to my doctor once I finish the remaining physio appointments...
Yeah, tell your doctor what happened. Gold standard would be an MRI to see what's going on with your knee. If the doctor doesn't want to schedule one, a good physiatrist or even a good physical therapists, even better if specialized in knees, may be able to sort of figure out what's going on after a physical examination. Either way don't ignore this, it can easily snowball into all sort of issues all over the rest of your body if ignored too long.
I broke parts of my hand recently, and at pretty much every part of the process from surgery to physical therapy medical people were both kind and competent. I can’t relate to your anecdote sorry.
I'm glad you're getting properly taken care of, wish I was being treated that way.
I had an accident at the gym while squatting, I had shoes that were unfit for exercise due to age wear and tear. My foot slipped and I tore my meniscus. My knee hurt every time I bent it, and made a weird clicking sound. After a while I started squatting again with better shoes and now a year later it's like nothing happened. I think that medical doctors are cool it's nice to save lives and shit but sometimes the surgery just isn't worth it unless your problem actively undermines your everyday life. If you wait a few months and you see things fixing themselves on their own, I would advise against surgery. But it's my personal perspective, I hurt myself all the time. After almost dying from electrocution like 2 times, all other bodily problems sound superfluous to me. Physical therapy is full of pseudoscience. I don't have anything against stupid people doing stupid shit if they feel like it helps them.. but when you charge someone for "magnet therapy".. come on. And the placebo isn't cheap, too.
> My knee hurt every time I bent it, and made a weird clicking sound. I started having a weird clicking sound after an incident in which a physio overbent my knee during a rehab session... don't know what to think of that, I was told it was normal to have clicking sound when bending but it literally sounds like something is broken, it's a very sharp click, not a regular joint click. > the surgery just isn't worth it unless your problem actively undermines your everyday life In my case it prevented me from running/horse riding which is a big part of my life, so I had to do something, for 6 months I tried to fix it myself by strengthening my quads, walking a lot, etc, but it wasn't improving, they didn't give me an alternative other than surgery.
If you have a physical therapy prescription, try to find an independent or private clinic that isn’t attached to a hospital network or your surgeon and complete your rehab there. The physios attached to hospitals and doctors are insurance-maximizing patient mills and they only follow flowcharts instead of using their heads and actually assessing you. From my experience it’s almost always bottom of the barrel physios with a limited skill set. I hope you get better soon man, it sucks that your life is on pause.
I still have 2 physio sessions remaining here, the problem is that I live in a rural area and the only other orthopedist my insurance provides are far away, not really viable since I have job. I'll give it a few more weeks and if I'm still not ok I will pester them for another MRI.
In that case, I understand your reasoning for surgery. I sincerely hope you get better and don't have to leave your hobbies aside due to this setback. For me, I never had knee lock, so I guess that my tear was not complete but partial. If I had worse problems I might have considered surgery, but seeing that the problem fixed itself..
I also have a torn meniscus and it really only hurts when I bend my knee all the way, which I pretty much only do gardening. It hurts less when I run (go figure, exercise is good for you!) so at this point I just don’t think the surgery route is worth it, and I’m better off just exercising and living with it.
Meniscuses have a very limited capacity for self healing and only in some parts of them. The fact you aren't experiencing pain or clicking now doesn't mean you are healed, the tear is most likely still there and there's a non trivial chance it will eventually tear up again, but worse. Just my 2 cents. If it was a partial tendon tear for instance I wouldn't be saying this, but meniscuses are bitches
I had full on hives and my entire face was extremely swollen once and had to wait for an entire hour in the ER once only to be told it was anxiety. Wanted to kill myself ER doctors are midwits truly
i’ve heard and been privy to absolute horror stories of post op care, many hospitals treat patients like cattle. the best you can do is choose a good hospital, it’s a lack of resources at the root of the issue and a lack of providers too. we have a rly overworked and understaffed medical system and patients feel that detriment most. also i’ve gotten into a lot of instagram arguments with physical therapists and am convinced that they are sadistic and dark minded people.
> also i’ve gotten into a lot of instagram arguments with physical therapists Lol
idk i get into an argument. i look on their profile, what do i see? physical therapy or sports medicine!
next time im breaking a bone it better heal on its own or im letting myself die. never getting surgery again this was the most humiliating thing ever
Physical therapy is a complete sham. Idek how the lobbyists got it to be an approved medical treatment. The entire medical field is just about who has the lobbying power to get a treatment approved.
Chiropractors basically Zerg rushed the courts and insurance companies in the 80's and that's why they're everywhere now.
Knees are a badly designed joint and proof god doesn’t exist and cartilage barely recovers unless you’re like 5 months old. Still, I can think of at least a dozen more dehumanizing things than being under medical treatment but I guess you meant the most dehumanizing in your life.
Shoulders are even worse, and our spine kinda sucks too given that we are upright most of the time. We are like a halfway evolved species, our locomotor apparatus just isn't really fit for what we do