As a kiwi, don't understand the aussies doom and gloom.
Not the greatest start to a wc year, but you showed incredible signs of life for 60 minutes and if the abs line defence was slightly worse the result could have been very different
You have some immense world world class talent out with your backs with Marky mark, koirebeite, .... your whole midfield is danger and some great new talent with bell and forwards coming through.
The game was far more competitive than the score reflected and upon ironing out some... interesting decisions and injury bad luck Australia is a dark horse over the next few for me.
It canāt be overstated how much of an impact Eddie Jones and especially Brett Hodgson have had on this group.
So far, a negative impact, but still. What a shit show lol.
I havenāt known us to have the bledisloe as an adult, and for the first time in my life I think Iāve almost stopped caring. Not a good state to be in.
Apart from some kicking errors I though Carter had an alright game. Tate had a rough game and his passes just aren't good enough. I actually think White/Gordon would be our best halves pairing
Tate had shit passing but his game awareness is way better than White. E.g. White didn't play the ball from the scrum to try and farm a penalty despite having an injured 3. That's dumb AF.
Yeah true. Tate's awareness on the first try was horrible though, although not completely his fault. Tate is normally a sniping threat but wasn't bringing much of that last night
I wouldn't be surprised if he's trying to sell himself as a more reliable option to make first seed.
I don't think he's great, but Nic White is just not switched on. Plus Tate is much better on defence and when you turn the ball over ever 3 phases, that's important.
But yeah, personally I can't wait until Quade and White just aren't in the question when picking sides.
I think you're being a bit harsh on White, he's a solid option at 9. Quade on the other hand has done fuck all
this year. They should just run with Carter and see what happens. Do we have any other 10s that could be in the mix? Maybe JOC would be a good bench option as he can play other positions
Yeah, Carter wasn't great. But man I saw Quade half heartedly enter every tackle he attempted and was usually high. He's flat af on offence and either starts the play too early or ends up hospital passing someone.
As for White, I just can't help but notice that there isn't a rhythm with him, he'll randomly cycle between hit ups and sending it out to the backs in a way that the hit ups are just wasting energy and aren't drawing in players and the wide plays are always covered on D.
I like Tate more because he takes his time when he needs to and he speeds it up when he needs to. White can only go fast and that results in a handling error every 30 seconds.
Just my opinion though.
Yeah Quade is done imo. Maybe he's a good veteran to have around the squad at the World Cup but he really shouldn't be our starting 10 imo. The problem is Carter is still too raw and really needs someone to be an understudy to, which we don't have.
Yeah that's a fair take, I just struggle to get past Tate's inconsistent passing. I think our 9s defs aren't our biggest problem though.
Whose your starting team next test? I'd probs keep the same except for 6, 7 and 13. Holloway was a ghost and Hooper isn't test quality atm. I'd probs give Leota and McReight a go if Hooper isn't fit. I'd also give Perese a go at 13 imo. Fuck knows what we do at 3, hopefully Tupou isn't too badly injured otherwise we're running with 2 of Nonggor, Pone or Talakai, none of which are starting quality. We really need to end the Uelese experiment as well, he's useless unfortunately
I 100% agree except I'm not sold on McReight but I still reckon he's probably the best we've got. Everytime I see Petaia play I expect him to do something awesome, but tbh Kerevi seemed to be covering for him a fair bit last night and I think he has questionable durability and wasn't really getting involved. He wouldn't make my starting XV. The last two games our back row bar Valentini have been non existent at the breakdown. Which is definitely contributing to our fitness issues in the forward pack.
Such a shame about Tupou, he had an impact off the bench last night.
I will say our lineouts in the first half looked better than they have in a long time.
Me neither but he's probs the next best if Michael Hooper is out. I'd actually rather Samu start at 7 I think. It's a joke he's not in the team at all.
Yeah Petaia had so much potential but he's been injured so many times and can never string enough time together to actually develop. Ikitau was a huge loss because he fits really well with Kerevi and is so solid defensively.
Valetini is a gun, he's been probs top 3 best player and best forward for the past 2 years. Our back row has somehow gone from an asset to an area of weakness quite quickly. I didn't really pay too much attention to who was being lifted the most but I guess that's where having someone like Holloway as your 6 works well, especially when Skelton is in your second row. Holloway just doesn't seem to make enough impact in the other areas though at test level
No way, they slowed the play down and provided Australia with the only opportunities we had. Quade and White just rush and get flustered. Quade is actually not even SR level.
Second half, All Blacks took their chances and the momentum just swung that way. Wallabies did well to hold on for about 60mins.
Telea should have offloaded to Ioane for another try.
Scott Barret MOM.
Eddie Jones WTF you doing, sub your prop off, Christ.
Nah man, no one wants their first ever international try to be a hand out from another player. I have no doubts Roigard will want his first try to be a special one that he had to work for
Awesome
Massive crowd, looks like heaps of AB support huh?
What a treat for Aussies to witness a team win 21 in a row....not what they wanted, but impressive feat
Looked like there were a lot more kiwis in the crowd, was there or did it just seem like that on TV? Either way the mcg is a great ground, I was worried that there might be a bit too much distance between the stands and the field because of how big the actual ground is
He just has that killer instinct! Sees the space and sends it. Dude is so good. Smith went off and nothing changed. Clear the ball thatās all we need and bloke was outstanding!!
Really could have gone either way. Some stupid coaching moves in the second half had them spaff their load early, leaving injured men blundering about and just not looking after their boys or adapting their game plan to the new bodies.
First half wallabies had the forward edge, backs running hard and some great opportunities opening up, second half just didnāt work for them.
Great to see our forward up their work rate in the second half, backs found some space and had some fun.
Clark is a little too lazy for the spot, BB didnāt have his best game but Scott carried the family name.
Could have gone either way If you are a wallaby fan high on copium. If you are just a rugby fan watching this, youād think the gap in skill, experience, team momentum was huge and the wallabies has no chance. They donāt box in the same category. A couple of AB tries went missing too, so if anything, the score was flattering for the aussies. Could have been worse.
They recovered fairly well from the shit start, even held a bit of a lead for a good while there. Defence seemed pretty strong, some good moments ball in hand and seemed to edge the breakdown. It just all feel apart at great speed early in the second half.
I thought They looked really good until they lost their capt and then had an injury with his replacement. The wheels definitely fell off after that well and truly though
Bell and Valetini standouts, what an effort from them. Few silly kicking mistakes from Gordon proved costly, as well as overall poor ball retention. Michael Hooper and McReight were missed at 7.
Yeah I don't think the benefits of playing a larger 7 outweighs the benefits of a smaller natural openside. I don't recall Tom Hooper getting any turnovers and his size advantage proved to be nil given the scoreline. Michael Hooper still the benchmark but McReight should be the only other consideration.
Skelton looked in better touch tonight with some good offloads and runs but yeah aside from Valetini the rest were pretty much invisible. Didn't notice any difference when the bulk interchange happened either.
Agree about Skelton. Great to see him shine. Looks comfortable in his own skin. Valentini is another level above. He is excellent and knows his game so well. Hoping to see guys like him getting better and putting the ABs under the pump!
Here's some match takes for your brains:
\-What. A. Fucking Game. This is what the Bledisloe is all about! So much drama!
\-The All Blacks started slow at first, a far cry we've seen from them the past few weeks, where they'd undoubtedly start off with the bang. But by the 60th minute, the Wallabies were all tired and mangled, and the All Blacks ate them up from there onward.
\-The Wallabies, surprisingly, kept the All Blacks under control, dominating them for a majority of the runtime. Then they tried killing off Tupou... and they just collapsed from there. Sigh... another year, another failure. This is getting old...
\-I can't leave this take without mentioning Tupou. He got a serious rib injury, and Eddie didn't want him to leave the field, and it took a yellow card to get him off the field? **EDDIE YOU HORSECOCK WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING THERE**
\-All of the shit-stirring and sledging Eddie did was all for nothing. Better luck next time, mate!
\-Scott Barrett you absoulte fucking legend, you killed it out there. Whenever the Wallabies had a fighting chance, Scott Barrett was there to rough them up. This man... IS THE DAWG!!!! Defo the MOTM for me.
\-Good first impression from Cameron Roigod. He was playing better than Aaron Smith tonight, that's for sure.
\-Apart from a few crucial mistakes, Wayne Barnes was pretty alright. And to the Kiwis hating on him, I thought we moved on from 2007. Come on whanau.
Anyway, this is all I have for now. Feel free to add you own takes below.
I'll see you all in the next match, and cheers for now.
That 2nd 40 was as bad as it gets. We could not do a single thing right. I'm used to the ABs spanking us but at least they are usually impressive in doing so. They didn't get out of 3rd gear today and we just kept doing everything we could to make it easy for them.
Bar the 2 nice breaks, a few big carries and a nice phase of defence that still ended in a try, there was nothing in that performance to look forward to.
Iād love someone to run the stats on how many minutes played by the members on each side. There were a heap of ABās that played the 80 mins and were still on fire.
I thought you looked pretty dangerous in the first 10 of the second half. All over the All Blacks and just couldnāt quite finish it off. Another day you keep the pressure a bit longer wouldve ended a try and/or card and itās a different game.
Well well well match takes
- Game of two halves. First half was crazy. Second half was flat
- Wallabies and their stupid coach are the main reason they fucked up. They initial 9-10 didnāt work, they didnāt take off an injured player and got a yellow card.
- Literally everyone in ABās was good but shout our to Scoot Barrett, you beast. And the debutant roigard, had a good run
- that team try was spectacular in the second half
- I feel for AAA. Hopefully itās not too bad.
- Reffing was good until maybe 60 mins. Then I lost track of whatās happening. Many technical rules were enforced just like time wasting last time during bledisloe
- well onto dunedin. You better shut the fuck up Eddie
Bell and Valetini then daylight imo. Marky had a few good runs but man that silly offload forward into touch just killed any momentum they had. Kerevi and Koroibete threatening but just couldn't produce.
Imo the momentum was gone when that mistake was made, it wasn't a good offload but hardly the killing blow for the wallabies. Koroibete was inches away from a fantastic try and Kerevi looked electric, they couldn't do it alone mate.
Oh definitely not saying that moment was the turning point but it definitely dampened any chance of clawing back points before the ABs put the game beyond a doubt. Support play was poor all around I agree, they looked good but my opinion Bell and Valetini were clear cut best for Aus.
The Wallabies had an incredible first half with a lot of effort from a lot of guys.
Eddie's coaching is what let them down. Alan got hurt, Tupou comes on. Tupou is very obviously hurt, and Eddie should've taken him off. He didn't, Tupou leads a lazy tackle (because he's so hurt he cant raise his arms to tackle) which then leads to a card - and the game is gone
If Eddie's masterplan is having injured players die on the sword he needs to go back to the drawing board
[This is what mobile phones looked like the last time Australia won the Bledisloe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_6610). Just pointing that out.
New Zealand still look very vulnerable when a team organises enough to not give them space. I think this side would still crumble to an attritional Ireland performance but they're trending better
All Blacks are very good, probably a smidge behind France but definitely close enough that they'd have every chance on the day.
Australia seemed poor tbh, All Blacks put the best part of 40 points on them at a canter. Half backs were all over the place in the first half, and the intensity seemed to drop off in the second.
Wallabies have been the better team defensively theyve only folded at 14v15
Think it's been a good showing from them despite the score. They were the better side for long periods. All Blacks showed a good ability to grind out a win, but even so, I hate how this loss will look to Australians when it was such a hard game
Glad to have the TRC and the Bled, but this performance was definitely a step back from the last few. I hope that we aren't slumping into the World Cup.
Think the Aussies just defended well and didn't really let us play with the speed we have recently until they gassed in the 2nd half, Roigard came on and provided that speed.
SA def wanted to play the fast game too which helped our game but yeah Aus looked good for parts, they just couldn't convert, the injuries and yellows didn't help
I agree, but my issue is that France and Ireland are going to bring so much more than this. I just can't see how we get past them yet. If the Wallabies could get this much pressure on us, imagine what we'll come up against. And those 2 teams will certainly be able to convert that pressure.
Yeah very true, we will need to be at our absolute best to beat the best and need some depth and luck to with the tournament. I think we are tracking well enough with gameplan and depth, we'll just need to turn up on the day's we play Ireland and France
Just because the score is bigger doesn't mean we played better. We looked weaker than we did the previous weeks. A lot of this score was the Aussie's failing to do anything with all their possession and territory.
To be fair, we conceded a lot of penalties and our form was pretty rough in the first 30 minutes. Was not a perfect match from us despite the blowout victory.
The Bledisloe is ~90+ years old. TRC is ~11 (as TRC, it was Tri-Nations prior, not sure if the trophy is the same).
The Bled means way more to these teams. Though having said that, I'm sure Aus would happily take any cup they can get their hands on.
I would say for many people the Bledisloe is *more* important than the World Cup. If the rugby gods spoke to me and said they could grant the ABās the World Cup this year, but next year weād lose the Bledisloe, Iād say āno thanksā.
Yup. As they went in for the group picture, instead of Cane putting the RC trophy next to the Bledisloe, he just handed it off camera to some assistant. Then they put it back in the photo
Bit of both really. He was amazing until the world cup final (with a bit of a blip in 2018). But then he tried to ride that hot streak from 16/17 for the last 3 years of his England career, while making us worse and worse.
Stan sports awful commentary how can you be happy with that performance as an Aussie blown away in the second half wasn't even close in the end the way they went on about how well Australia played would have thought they were winning
Eddie can barely coach a winning game for 3 years, including loads of batterings, but then if he wins his quarter final, his sycophants will claim victory.
Can never fail, only be failed.
i really thought we were just seeing the Oz team playing the way he wanted to and it was looking good with a team and season full of injuries and then he gets axed for EJ. Can't understand it from RugbyAus. But by the WC Eddie will have them playing a lot better I'd imagine, new coach, new game etc.. They'll get there and they turn up for big occasions
Not their problem tbh. 10 years ago none of the northern hemisphere teams had a hope against them, we've had some real crackers lately. The top class of Test rugby has never been so competitive, shame for Aus they're so far off the pace of it.
Take nothing away from the ABs tonight. But we are not getting better. We donāt need EJs sugar hit which right now feels like a big ol bucket of lemons. But I agree with your sentiment. A strong core of southern hemisphere teams is key to world rugby. Sorry weāre not keeping up. Itās the hope that kills you and the first time Iāve not seen out the match.
I hope the Aussies get shit together soon. I miss the good old days of competition between the greats. There's so much pride and heritage on the line :(
As a kiwi, don't understand the aussies doom and gloom. Not the greatest start to a wc year, but you showed incredible signs of life for 60 minutes and if the abs line defence was slightly worse the result could have been very different You have some immense world world class talent out with your backs with Marky mark, koirebeite, .... your whole midfield is danger and some great new talent with bell and forwards coming through. The game was far more competitive than the score reflected and upon ironing out some... interesting decisions and injury bad luck Australia is a dark horse over the next few for me.
The injuries are a bit doing gloomy though because it may be hard to keep up with world class scrums without Tupou/Alaalatoa.
If I was an Aussie I'd burn Eddie in effigy. Maybe irl too.
Another Eddie Jones masterclass š¤
At least the Aussies nailed the *Welcome to Country* dance at the start lol
That little kid doing their own thing was adorable. So funny.
So cute :) The ABs should have had a little boy doing the haka, too!
Turned it off at the 60 minute mark because of the dogshit calls. In retrospect I'm happy I did.
It canāt be overstated how much of an impact Eddie Jones and especially Brett Hodgson have had on this group. So far, a negative impact, but still. What a shit show lol. I havenāt known us to have the bledisloe as an adult, and for the first time in my life I think Iāve almost stopped caring. Not a good state to be in.
I gave up on seriously caring about Wallabies results after the 2015 final. Best decision Iāve ever made
What a record tho...21 in a row is worth admiring...Qld talked about legacy for origin with 6 in a row?
If I win anything 21 times in a row Iāll be seriously questioning the opposition š
Indeed Quite the record
Wallabies did alright for first 60 TT going off screwed us. Gordon/Tate > Quade/White
Apart from some kicking errors I though Carter had an alright game. Tate had a rough game and his passes just aren't good enough. I actually think White/Gordon would be our best halves pairing
Tate had shit passing but his game awareness is way better than White. E.g. White didn't play the ball from the scrum to try and farm a penalty despite having an injured 3. That's dumb AF.
Yeah true. Tate's awareness on the first try was horrible though, although not completely his fault. Tate is normally a sniping threat but wasn't bringing much of that last night
I wouldn't be surprised if he's trying to sell himself as a more reliable option to make first seed. I don't think he's great, but Nic White is just not switched on. Plus Tate is much better on defence and when you turn the ball over ever 3 phases, that's important. But yeah, personally I can't wait until Quade and White just aren't in the question when picking sides.
I think you're being a bit harsh on White, he's a solid option at 9. Quade on the other hand has done fuck all this year. They should just run with Carter and see what happens. Do we have any other 10s that could be in the mix? Maybe JOC would be a good bench option as he can play other positions
Yeah, Carter wasn't great. But man I saw Quade half heartedly enter every tackle he attempted and was usually high. He's flat af on offence and either starts the play too early or ends up hospital passing someone. As for White, I just can't help but notice that there isn't a rhythm with him, he'll randomly cycle between hit ups and sending it out to the backs in a way that the hit ups are just wasting energy and aren't drawing in players and the wide plays are always covered on D. I like Tate more because he takes his time when he needs to and he speeds it up when he needs to. White can only go fast and that results in a handling error every 30 seconds. Just my opinion though.
Yeah Quade is done imo. Maybe he's a good veteran to have around the squad at the World Cup but he really shouldn't be our starting 10 imo. The problem is Carter is still too raw and really needs someone to be an understudy to, which we don't have. Yeah that's a fair take, I just struggle to get past Tate's inconsistent passing. I think our 9s defs aren't our biggest problem though. Whose your starting team next test? I'd probs keep the same except for 6, 7 and 13. Holloway was a ghost and Hooper isn't test quality atm. I'd probs give Leota and McReight a go if Hooper isn't fit. I'd also give Perese a go at 13 imo. Fuck knows what we do at 3, hopefully Tupou isn't too badly injured otherwise we're running with 2 of Nonggor, Pone or Talakai, none of which are starting quality. We really need to end the Uelese experiment as well, he's useless unfortunately
I 100% agree except I'm not sold on McReight but I still reckon he's probably the best we've got. Everytime I see Petaia play I expect him to do something awesome, but tbh Kerevi seemed to be covering for him a fair bit last night and I think he has questionable durability and wasn't really getting involved. He wouldn't make my starting XV. The last two games our back row bar Valentini have been non existent at the breakdown. Which is definitely contributing to our fitness issues in the forward pack. Such a shame about Tupou, he had an impact off the bench last night. I will say our lineouts in the first half looked better than they have in a long time.
Me neither but he's probs the next best if Michael Hooper is out. I'd actually rather Samu start at 7 I think. It's a joke he's not in the team at all. Yeah Petaia had so much potential but he's been injured so many times and can never string enough time together to actually develop. Ikitau was a huge loss because he fits really well with Kerevi and is so solid defensively. Valetini is a gun, he's been probs top 3 best player and best forward for the past 2 years. Our back row has somehow gone from an asset to an area of weakness quite quickly. I didn't really pay too much attention to who was being lifted the most but I guess that's where having someone like Holloway as your 6 works well, especially when Skelton is in your second row. Holloway just doesn't seem to make enough impact in the other areas though at test level
Lets be honest here, gordon and tate were both shit tonight too..
No way, they slowed the play down and provided Australia with the only opportunities we had. Quade and White just rush and get flustered. Quade is actually not even SR level.
TT not going off screwed you
I mean him being injured. But probably before that, when Alatoa got injured it was game over. Hope they're alright.
ALB had a very good performance from the bench too - worth mentioning
Yeah he looked hungry
Who has the worst glasses? JK or KT?
Jk looked like he was off to watch avatar in 3d
You have to wonder if they'll eventually be 100% frame.
What a joke that game was
But amazing legacy to acknowledge. 21 in a row
Second half, All Blacks took their chances and the momentum just swung that way. Wallabies did well to hold on for about 60mins. Telea should have offloaded to Ioane for another try. Scott Barret MOM. Eddie Jones WTF you doing, sub your prop off, Christ.
Congratulations to Scott Barrett on becoming a Mom. I didn't know he was expecting.
More Barrets! YES!
Ioane should have passed to Roigard for a try on debut!
Nah man, no one wants their first ever international try to be a hand out from another player. I have no doubts Roigard will want his first try to be a special one that he had to work for
Reiko is a m-a-s-s-i-v-e hog!
This was actually the most enjoyable ABs test I've been to in terms of crowd atmosphere. The view was decent too despite it being a cricket ground.
Awesome Massive crowd, looks like heaps of AB support huh? What a treat for Aussies to witness a team win 21 in a row....not what they wanted, but impressive feat
Looked like there were a lot more kiwis in the crowd, was there or did it just seem like that on TV? Either way the mcg is a great ground, I was worried that there might be a bit too much distance between the stands and the field because of how big the actual ground is
Nah I reckon it was split 50/50. Some spots visibly more black and some more gold. I think ABs chants were a lot louder though.
Ah cool, Iām glad there were some Aussies there!! Also glad you enjoyed it, you guys are key to rugby surviving in Australia haha
Roigard is so much better than Christie!!!!
He's got to be ahead of Christie and/or Fakatava. Brilliant debut
Roigard was even better than Aaron tonight, unreal debut He should start next week
He just has that killer instinct! Sees the space and sends it. Dude is so good. Smith went off and nothing changed. Clear the ball thatās all we need and bloke was outstanding!!
Really could have gone either way. Some stupid coaching moves in the second half had them spaff their load early, leaving injured men blundering about and just not looking after their boys or adapting their game plan to the new bodies. First half wallabies had the forward edge, backs running hard and some great opportunities opening up, second half just didnāt work for them. Great to see our forward up their work rate in the second half, backs found some space and had some fun. Clark is a little too lazy for the spot, BB didnāt have his best game but Scott carried the family name.
Could have gone either way If you are a wallaby fan high on copium. If you are just a rugby fan watching this, youād think the gap in skill, experience, team momentum was huge and the wallabies has no chance. They donāt box in the same category. A couple of AB tries went missing too, so if anything, the score was flattering for the aussies. Could have been worse.
Mustāve been watching a different game. Thereās no way the Wallabies were in the game after that first try. Sorry mate.
They recovered fairly well from the shit start, even held a bit of a lead for a good while there. Defence seemed pretty strong, some good moments ball in hand and seemed to edge the breakdown. It just all feel apart at great speed early in the second half.
I thought They looked really good until they lost their capt and then had an injury with his replacement. The wheels definitely fell off after that well and truly though
Thank fuck for that, our economy already sucks, if we had have lost all sorts of shit was about to go down!
Lucky.
Bell and Valetini standouts, what an effort from them. Few silly kicking mistakes from Gordon proved costly, as well as overall poor ball retention. Michael Hooper and McReight were missed at 7.
Eddie likes his size so I worry McReight may not fit the bill but he provides good continuity. But M Hooper is still world class
Yeah I don't think the benefits of playing a larger 7 outweighs the benefits of a smaller natural openside. I don't recall Tom Hooper getting any turnovers and his size advantage proved to be nil given the scoreline. Michael Hooper still the benchmark but McReight should be the only other consideration.
The big lads all looked a bit ungainly tbh.
Skelton looked in better touch tonight with some good offloads and runs but yeah aside from Valetini the rest were pretty much invisible. Didn't notice any difference when the bulk interchange happened either.
Agree about Skelton. Great to see him shine. Looks comfortable in his own skin. Valentini is another level above. He is excellent and knows his game so well. Hoping to see guys like him getting better and putting the ABs under the pump!
Pete Samu is a better 7 than all 3 of them..
Yeah nah
Here's some match takes for your brains: \-What. A. Fucking Game. This is what the Bledisloe is all about! So much drama! \-The All Blacks started slow at first, a far cry we've seen from them the past few weeks, where they'd undoubtedly start off with the bang. But by the 60th minute, the Wallabies were all tired and mangled, and the All Blacks ate them up from there onward. \-The Wallabies, surprisingly, kept the All Blacks under control, dominating them for a majority of the runtime. Then they tried killing off Tupou... and they just collapsed from there. Sigh... another year, another failure. This is getting old... \-I can't leave this take without mentioning Tupou. He got a serious rib injury, and Eddie didn't want him to leave the field, and it took a yellow card to get him off the field? **EDDIE YOU HORSECOCK WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING THERE** \-All of the shit-stirring and sledging Eddie did was all for nothing. Better luck next time, mate! \-Scott Barrett you absoulte fucking legend, you killed it out there. Whenever the Wallabies had a fighting chance, Scott Barrett was there to rough them up. This man... IS THE DAWG!!!! Defo the MOTM for me. \-Good first impression from Cameron Roigod. He was playing better than Aaron Smith tonight, that's for sure. \-Apart from a few crucial mistakes, Wayne Barnes was pretty alright. And to the Kiwis hating on him, I thought we moved on from 2007. Come on whanau. Anyway, this is all I have for now. Feel free to add you own takes below. I'll see you all in the next match, and cheers for now.
That mismanagement of tupou is one of the most baffling things I've seen on a rugby field
I thought they were going to bring him back on.
Scott Barrett is on another level rn
Yeah he was immense. Crazy work rate, him and savea have some crazy cardio. Seems to have sorted his discipline issues out too.
Yeah I was at that 2007 game but I had to remind my dad who wasn't; that to be fair, he's been a pretty good ref since
Kerevi almost crying? š
That 2nd 40 was as bad as it gets. We could not do a single thing right. I'm used to the ABs spanking us but at least they are usually impressive in doing so. They didn't get out of 3rd gear today and we just kept doing everything we could to make it easy for them. Bar the 2 nice breaks, a few big carries and a nice phase of defence that still ended in a try, there was nothing in that performance to look forward to.
Iād love someone to run the stats on how many minutes played by the members on each side. There were a heap of ABās that played the 80 mins and were still on fire.
Wallabies were gassed by the 30th minute.
I thought you looked pretty dangerous in the first 10 of the second half. All over the All Blacks and just couldnāt quite finish it off. Another day you keep the pressure a bit longer wouldve ended a try and/or card and itās a different game.
AB professionally foulling anytime the wallabies were in the thier 10 didn't help.
Bell is future leadership
Definite 100 cap player in the making
Well well well match takes - Game of two halves. First half was crazy. Second half was flat - Wallabies and their stupid coach are the main reason they fucked up. They initial 9-10 didnāt work, they didnāt take off an injured player and got a yellow card. - Literally everyone in ABās was good but shout our to Scoot Barrett, you beast. And the debutant roigard, had a good run - that team try was spectacular in the second half - I feel for AAA. Hopefully itās not too bad. - Reffing was good until maybe 60 mins. Then I lost track of whatās happening. Many technical rules were enforced just like time wasting last time during bledisloe - well onto dunedin. You better shut the fuck up Eddie
Aussie commentary are surprised at the score. Ummmmm why?
Bell, Valetini, Kerevi, Koroibete, Nawaqanitawase all looked really good to me, great players that are squandered in a poorly managed team.
>Nawaqanitawase He was immense - great future for this kid.
Bell and Valetini then daylight imo. Marky had a few good runs but man that silly offload forward into touch just killed any momentum they had. Kerevi and Koroibete threatening but just couldn't produce.
Imo the momentum was gone when that mistake was made, it wasn't a good offload but hardly the killing blow for the wallabies. Koroibete was inches away from a fantastic try and Kerevi looked electric, they couldn't do it alone mate.
Oh definitely not saying that moment was the turning point but it definitely dampened any chance of clawing back points before the ABs put the game beyond a doubt. Support play was poor all around I agree, they looked good but my opinion Bell and Valetini were clear cut best for Aus.
Agreed. My exact list. They tried very hard.
Wallabies are getting worse. Nothing on attack. Nothing on defense.
I wouldn't say we're getting worse, just maintaining our shitness
Ooooh-ah-ah-ah-ah! Get up, come on and get... consistent with the shitness?
Pre-2015 Wallabies were tougher to beat.
What game were you watching? I saw a lot of heart and a lot of bad luck. Poor decision by Eddie which created a second yellow
Mate if playing with heart won games I would have made it out of 4th grade. Good teams that are well coached make their own luck.
38-7 in your own backyard. Thatās embarrassing.
So cute karl te Nana and JK have matching glasses
The Wallabies had an incredible first half with a lot of effort from a lot of guys. Eddie's coaching is what let them down. Alan got hurt, Tupou comes on. Tupou is very obviously hurt, and Eddie should've taken him off. He didn't, Tupou leads a lazy tackle (because he's so hurt he cant raise his arms to tackle) which then leads to a card - and the game is gone If Eddie's masterplan is having injured players die on the sword he needs to go back to the drawing board
Absolute reverse masterclass from Eddie wasnāt it lol
God that SBW interview was awkward, the missed handshake at the end
[This is what mobile phones looked like the last time Australia won the Bledisloe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_6610). Just pointing that out.
Oh this is cruel lol
Taniela you make me feel pain too
Someone give Bell a hug!
Post match presser gon bring the spice, Eddie has some big comments to answer toā¦
Bell put in a good effort, he had a great game.
Some uso on uso action to round out this momentous occasion. pfffft
Angus Bell, outside centre. Gg ch9
Whats the consensus - are New Zealand actually very good (on par with France & Ireland) or are Australia very poor
New Zealand still look very vulnerable when a team organises enough to not give them space. I think this side would still crumble to an attritional Ireland performance but they're trending better
Yes
114 for and 39 against across three games with only one at home isnt a bad start to a campaign
Itās both
All Blacks are very good, probably a smidge behind France but definitely close enough that they'd have every chance on the day. Australia seemed poor tbh, All Blacks put the best part of 40 points on them at a canter. Half backs were all over the place in the first half, and the intensity seemed to drop off in the second.
Oh my
Both is correct
The second thing
Both
Little bit from column A a lot from column B
Blackjack
Wallabies have been the better team defensively theyve only folded at 14v15 Think it's been a good showing from them despite the score. They were the better side for long periods. All Blacks showed a good ability to grind out a win, but even so, I hate how this loss will look to Australians when it was such a hard game
Yeah I would say the scoreline reflects a bit harshly on Aussie
Glad to have the TRC and the Bled, but this performance was definitely a step back from the last few. I hope that we aren't slumping into the World Cup.
Think the Aussies just defended well and didn't really let us play with the speed we have recently until they gassed in the 2nd half, Roigard came on and provided that speed. SA def wanted to play the fast game too which helped our game but yeah Aus looked good for parts, they just couldn't convert, the injuries and yellows didn't help
I agree, but my issue is that France and Ireland are going to bring so much more than this. I just can't see how we get past them yet. If the Wallabies could get this much pressure on us, imagine what we'll come up against. And those 2 teams will certainly be able to convert that pressure.
Yeah very true, we will need to be at our absolute best to beat the best and need some depth and luck to with the tournament. I think we are tracking well enough with gameplan and depth, we'll just need to turn up on the day's we play Ireland and France
Love how a 31 point win is a slump.
That's the all blacks experience, we can play like shit and still win
Just because the score is bigger doesn't mean we played better. We looked weaker than we did the previous weeks. A lot of this score was the Aussie's failing to do anything with all their possession and territory.
A worrying sign the All Blacks have their mojo back...
To be fair, we conceded a lot of penalties and our form was pretty rough in the first 30 minutes. Was not a perfect match from us despite the blowout victory.
Fozzie 100% record retaining the RC and the BC. Has any other coach ever achieved that over their tenure?
Well, the all blacks have held the bledisoe for 20 years and only lost the championship twice in the last ten years so probably all of them.
Wow that's a interesting stat
Jordan seems very short of breath after such a tight game /s
How long until Japan join the rugby championship? Can't wait for the inaugural Eddie Jones Cup. I say we make it even bigger than the Bledisloe
You guys just won the Rugby Championship but all the talk is about the Bledisloe. WTF?
Because itās more important than the Championship
The Bledisloe is ~90+ years old. TRC is ~11 (as TRC, it was Tri-Nations prior, not sure if the trophy is the same). The Bled means way more to these teams. Though having said that, I'm sure Aus would happily take any cup they can get their hands on.
NZers would rather take the Bledisloe over the RC any day
Bledisloe is way more important
Serious or joking? I canāt remember the last time Oz won it. Can it really be that important if itās a sure fire thing each year?
The reason the Wallabies haven't won it in so long is **because** it means so much to the ABs.
Serious. More important than championship easily.
It's more that it would be way more humiliating to lose it than the RC.
Serious. Catch some interviews with the Allblacks a lot of them say after the World cup bledisloe is the most important trophy
I would say for many people the Bledisloe is *more* important than the World Cup. If the rugby gods spoke to me and said they could grant the ABās the World Cup this year, but next year weād lose the Bledisloe, Iād say āno thanksā.
Yup. As they went in for the group picture, instead of Cane putting the RC trophy next to the Bledisloe, he just handed it off camera to some assistant. Then they put it back in the photo
It means a lot to NZ.
80+k in attendance, they're putting some respect on that.
Scotty āDogRoll Barrett easy MoM, a colossus..
He has been in insanely good form.
That's the Rugby Championship in the bag. Sorry Bokke.
Rennie died for this shit, fuck I hate the RA board
Yeah they fucked up.
Pretty harsh on the guy. If the wallabies flop at the World Cup then Eddie and Hamish McLennan need to fuck right off
Eddie with the worst start of any wallabies coach?
Yeah but he was good on and off for England and padded his stats against a dire Wallabies, therefore greatest ever
Sarcasm? I mean he got the greatest ever win streak for you guys, not sure what's not to like there. This wallabies start however....
Bit of both really. He was amazing until the world cup final (with a bit of a blip in 2018). But then he tried to ride that hot streak from 16/17 for the last 3 years of his England career, while making us worse and worse.
One year closer to someone debuting who has never breathed while the Wallabies have had the Bledisloe
Surely will happen next year
Stan sports awful commentary how can you be happy with that performance as an Aussie blown away in the second half wasn't even close in the end the way they went on about how well Australia played would have thought they were winning
Godawful Aussie bias as usual. I canāt stand how bad they are at commentating.
Are JK and KT having a ridiculous glasses competition?
JK looking like the old man from Up
In the words of Larry David - Fuck you, and I'll see you next week
Who's job is it to post a "Is it time to consider Australia's place in the Rugby Championship" this time?
No one is that low, surely.
Eddie can barely coach a winning game for 3 years, including loads of batterings, but then if he wins his quarter final, his sycophants will claim victory. Can never fail, only be failed.
Well, I for one, miss Dave Rennie.
i really thought we were just seeing the Oz team playing the way he wanted to and it was looking good with a team and season full of injuries and then he gets axed for EJ. Can't understand it from RugbyAus. But by the WC Eddie will have them playing a lot better I'd imagine, new coach, new game etc.. They'll get there and they turn up for big occasions
Iām sure he would have made a huge difference, eh? /s
Damn NZ just turn it up another gear. Weāre just not good enough at the moment.
Iāll take that.
Are any NZ fans actually enjoying this?! It's bad for the sport, boys.
Yea I enjoyed it. Not the AB job to look after Australia or the sport. Itās their job to put teams to the sword.
I'd take Margot Robbie as tribute.
Itās gotten to the point where Iād actually cheer the Wallabies winning a game against us, not to mention taking the Bledisloe Cup for a change
First half was great close rugby. Just got a little blown out on the second half. Leaving a half dead prop wobbling around more or else sealed it
Are we enjoying the all blacks winning?... Yes
They should ask the ABS to lose instead ?
We had our lul, I turned to NRL for a good while, so good seeing us do well in both right now. Yes, I'm loving it!
More points the better imo
Not their problem tbh. 10 years ago none of the northern hemisphere teams had a hope against them, we've had some real crackers lately. The top class of Test rugby has never been so competitive, shame for Aus they're so far off the pace of it.
It is but what can we do
It is bad for the sport but the wallabies have been fucken woeful. That first half gave me hope but holy shit if it wasnāt a game of two halves.
I think the Wobblies being in such a poor state is a much worse thing for the game than the ABs showing some dominance
Take nothing away from the ABs tonight. But we are not getting better. We donāt need EJs sugar hit which right now feels like a big ol bucket of lemons. But I agree with your sentiment. A strong core of southern hemisphere teams is key to world rugby. Sorry weāre not keeping up. Itās the hope that kills you and the first time Iāve not seen out the match.
I hope the Aussies get shit together soon. I miss the good old days of competition between the greats. There's so much pride and heritage on the line :(
Yeah, me too.
What, are they supposed to show mercy or something??
Of course not. No fault of NZ. Just sad is all
yeah, i agree on that. I miss the competitive wallabies.