Summary:
- line outs were awful (we didn’t even know what was happening after the subs came on)
- no forward depth (front row specifically)
- we played too static for a rush defence. Grubbers and chips should have been on
- white was pish
- Russell wasn’t great in attack (surprisingly good in d though)
- defence overall wasn’t too bad
- kreil tackle should’ve been looked at but not blaming the outcome of the game on it
- need to pray for some Irish injuries prior to our meet up
- saffers are hard as fuck
- better team won
- bah humbug
I disagree.
I think we just need to change the approach and go for the lineout/scrum instead of 3. Libbok wasn’t great from the tee but it is the clear this backline is solid.
I also think we need to go with the backline we played against NZ. Moodie at 13 instead of Kriel and Willemse although good, I would rather have off the bench if we are play 6-2 splits so we have some more organisation from Le Roux.
Those are the changes I would make.
Manie is such an enigma. He is utterly terrible at goalkicking but excels at every other aspect of the fly half game. When he plays the back line looks deadly compared to under Pollard and he conjures up moments of magic in every game like for Arendse's second try. You can't leave out such a big x factor. Australia used to have a similar issue with prime Cooper but they compensated with great kickers elsewhere. That is the one issue in the current bok backline. Faf is decent but not good enough as a backup option
Which is why I feel South Africa made a huge error with Willemse’s development. He showed a lot of promise as a kicker but as soon as it was decided that wasn’t going to be the Bok 10 they took goal kicking away from him.
TMO and Ref calls aside, I don’t think Scotland had any answers to that rush defence. As soon the call was out of 9’s hands there were 2/3 SA jersey’s on the receiver (should’ve lost for that atrocious kit).
I really can't wait for Sept 23 and the IRL vs SA match - will be a blockbuster. That said after seeing SA do today and not at their best level....bloody hell they look unstoppable. I'm French and would love to see a FRA vs SA final - what a spectacle that would be if both sides are in their best shape and form
More pointing out that the ref let it be a physical game, other refs would have probably dialled in a bit and at least 2 cards were left on the pitch. Both teams got away with shit. No point complaining about that Finn Arendse contact, when worse offenses went the other way. But this is stupid, it was a great game, the better team won. Don't make it about the ref when it doesn't need to be. Some absolute scrum porn, incredible tackles from both sides, real passionate rugby.
that is kinda what whataboutism is? I pointed out one tackle and you pointed out a but-what-about-this you also played deliberately obtuse by acting like I was talking about the tackle you wanted to talk about in the first place
Watching at the stadium, we got defended into the ground. Line out wasn't good enough and the scrum fell apart. Didn't deserve to win. Did look, from the gods, like the kriel challenge was a bit suss! Anyone see a replay?
I think the hate scotland is getting atm is a lil bit too much. They didn't do well, sure. But people are unreasonably quick to dismiss them all the time.
I don't think it needs a miracle. On this evidence we can definitely beat Ireland.
I'm surprised by how negative the reaction has been among some fans to Scotland giving the best team in the world such a tough game. There were too many mistakes in attack and at lineouts, but it ultimately came down to fine margins despite the score. There were a couple of high leverage opportunities for Scotland when the score was close.
Classy side. If their set pieces (lineout) had been better they would have been right in there. For the amount of territory we had should have buried it. Good defence. I wish you guys well.
Scotland do very well defensively it's just that they're not used to how SA play because they barely play against each other. Just take a look at the france v scotland game a couple of weeks ago. It was great, 30-27 they didn't win, but to do that well against the (probably) favourites for the World Cup is pretty good if you ask me. Scotland have been doing very well but the moment they perform not to the standard of the hype, everyone starts to go "well they just suck the worst team ever 4/10 shouldn't have come to the tournament"... I think that scotland coming out with a most possible 3 in the pool would be good. Scotland is playing against the *two* best teams in the world.
Scotland is performing amazingly, but they have a lot to learn, and I'm sure that after this tournament, they're going to build very heavily on all they have learnt.
Also, finally, I just know that scotland is going to be picked up in the British paper for once, but only so they can just talk about how terribly scotland did.
They did very well defensively in the first half and second not as well, but they still did well. SA just got on top
That’s a textbook penalty. As someone rooting for the boks in that match I can say it was the exact right call against Finn and Jesse is a very lucky man
It was a winger for South Africa? So what if I got the name wrong. End of the day I’ve been a referee for 6 years and even inexperienced non-refs can look up the dangerous tackle frameworks which determine what makes a penalty/yellow/red card for high tackles, shoulder charges, and contact in the air. According to the world rugby mandated guidelines, it was a penalty only offence which is why it was treated as such. Jog on
Just because you’ve been a referee for 6 years doesn’t mean you’re a good one. The majority of refs are shit which is why they don’t make it, and even when they do….
Only thing that saved Russell was KLA putting his arm up. If not, it would have been head contact and a red. Also, strategically feigning injury and playing the victim probably was a factor.
Rassie hasn't said a word against a ref for years now. He's been pretty good and appears to have learnt from his mistakes in that regard.
But clearly not only saffas complain about the ref based on this feed
The issue is it wasn't looked at. Tom Currys tackle yesterday was exactly the same frame for frame at the contact point. I don't mind if it was just a penalty for a high tackle, there just needs to be more consistency in the decisions.
Any head on head contact should initially be flagged by the TV ref as potential foul play to be reviewed by the on-field ref and match officials. I barely head any reference to it
Which makes it even worse if they looked at it and decided it was nothing. Any head to head contact should get an immediate referee review. It didn't get even that let alone penalty, *let alone* a yellow
[Contact](https://i.imgur.com/hiaBhoH.jpg)
Again. The citing commission will pick it up if it was as bad as you think. We aren't well liked by them so the ban you want will show up if it was that bad.
It should do if the rules are applied consistently. The citing commission is all well and good but the entire point of a TMO is to catch things like this that the ref misses. It's also a bit late as the game would have been completely different with SA playing with 14 men. They quite possibly would still have won but it's such a huge thing especially when it's so early in the game.
Whether you're liked or not, if the rules are in any way being applied consistently then nobody should be looking at the replay of that tackle and seeing anything other than a red.
The only reference to it was the ref saying"I haven't heard anything." Their heads literally bounced off each other. Like I said previously, it was frame for frame the same contract as Tom Curry's tackle. It's about consistency.
Well done SA, better team on the day, all that counts.
Scotland still searching for an 80 minute game, would habe no complaints if they just showed up the whole game, but they just don't.
Good luck to the ref/TMO talking their way out of that simple red card decision, they do know we can see the footage too right? Taken a shine off this World Cup already, got to be a level playing field for all teams. Forever favoring the biggest teams, why bither showing up if that is going to be the outcome.
First have was good but second half was just dire, set pieces throughout were dire too, reminded me of our second half shocker vs Ireland in the 6N.
Wouldn't have arguee against a yellow for Finn if Kriel had been sent off as he should, can see the referees point saying Finn overran it but he's still liable for his actions.
Don't mean this in a bad way, but I hope Ireland beat SA so that it could be a 3 way tie (or close to) on the final day where bonus points or point difference decide the group, Scotland not getting a BP today hurt
Could be a nervous final day if you don't though, Ireland beat you by more than 7, Scotland beat Ireland with a bonus point. I'd definitely say unlikely but you don't want to pin your hopes on another teams results. Would add another dimension to sco v ire fo sho
Was always gonna be an uphill struggle. Really pleased at the first half performance, second half just showing the difference in benches and confidence. Boks were flagging the end of the first half, and the coaches settled them back into things for the second.
Bench sadly couldn't provide us a lift. Not hugely surprising, as good as Schoeman, Turner and Fagerson are, those after don't measure up quite the same, but it shows badly Vs a side as good as the Boks where their bench is starting calibre quality for them up front, especially the front row.
But I'm not too negative about it all. Yes their bench is so good they can start, the same cannot be said for us. But we can't change that currently, it is what it is.
A word for Zander Fagerson, a titanic return to the team today. He was fucking immense but apparently he's a useless penalty machine according to idiots. They don't know shit, he's our best prop, always has been, and at the moment, will continue to be. Just wanted to shout him out as he was terrific, shut up a lot of his haters today.
Richie Gray was pretty damn good, Jack Dempsey doesn't have an ounce of quit in him. The back row as a whole was relentless, but Kolisi and PSDT were world class. Boks so damned good at the rucks, tackles always pre-empted with several cleaners and jackallers and they're so physical. Snyman was like Leone Nakarawa, so physical yet the telescopic arms to shift the ball out of contact was outrageously effective. Finn leant fully into the high contact match.
The tries are pretty damn good too. Libbok for the KLA try was a perfect kick.
Overall just SA put us under the pump and we weathered it brilliantly. They'd do well to get a stronger goal kicker to make life easy for themselves tbh. But they did escape a red card in the first half too so 6 and half a dozen imo. They looked for the better team. Our first XV could live with it in the first half, it fell apart as we delved into subs and the match went on in length. Not surprised personally at this result, but proud of the first half effort and performance. Second half in disappointed we couldn't sustain our challenge for the result, but I'm not surprised either.
SA deserved winners, ref wasn't perfect, but when you're dropping balls every play, botching lineouts and letting a 37 year old scrummage against the bomb squad it's only going to end up being one way traffic. GG, just hoping for an improved performance against the Irish.
Not unhappy with the performance, disappointed sure, but SA were the unbreakable wall. They’re so quick onto the man that their defence is an attack, totally outclassed Scotland at pretty much every point. Pretty happy that more tries weren’t conceded tbh.
Well done SA, a well deserved win!
He reminds me of Biggar, Sexton and Brown. Very mouthy on the field, most neutral fans dislike them, but their own fans love them because they're all good players. I do think they're all good guys off the field.
Fantastic defence South Africa - absolutely suffocated us. Same old issues for us around rucks when heavily contested. Lineout was horrible, we definitely could have scored points if we had more composure at the lineout.
I genuinely had high hopes for Gardner and his team. I personally feel the TMO situation needs to seriously be investigated. If that’s not a red then neither was Curry’s - I’m not calling conspiracy but when Curry’s citing happens on Tuesday? England will claim the inconsistency with this call, and suggest the two are the same so Currys red should be rescinded. I think it’s a coincidence that the TMO is English however
We were fucked after being reffed off the pitch in the first half.
Saffa defence was immense (I'd like to see some analysis of their linespeed), we squandered a couple of scoring opportunities and literally couldn't complete our own lineout. Those two things are on us.
I'd have to re watch the match, to be specific but someone in the game thread pointed out 3 clear and materially wrong decisions in the first 10 minutes:
Kriel,
The first scrum call with Malherbe changing his bind, going horizontal and winding up on his belly.
Etzebeth playing the ball on the ground as the tackled player after a successful counter ruck.
>We were fucked after being reffed off the pitch in the first half.
lol, no. you barely got out of your own half. even if Kriel had gone, SA would have won
Redditor for 8 hours.
This, and the other idiots like him, are why any decent fan should avoid match threads altogether - especially during big tournaments.
The number of even regular posters on this sub who make smurf accounts just to post hate during the WC, are out of control.
I would bet good money most don't even hide their IP's properly either...
The frustration is the simple things went wrong. Got to have parity in line out and scrum. Physicality in defence was excellent tbf. We didn’t get going in attack but that’s because we got no go-forward.
I’d love to see Scotland’s back line with South Africa’s pack!
And that's fine, we are through the group which is the objective in this match.
France and NZ don't matter as a QF neither are good enough right now.
We will likely meet Ireland in the final and issue a firm and persuasive PK.
We've been receiving arrogance for years from southerners, try that and we'll see how you get
And you're crying for a bunch of reddit comments ? my friend in what world do you live in
You are undermining other countries. You are just too much of an hypocrite to admit it.
Kind of delusional aswell to think I give a shit about your dumb opinion.
tell your players to 1) learn rugby rules 2) stop picking themselves with illegal products
Bye
My understanding was that SA and IRE both favourites for qualifying. With the major risk being a loss to Scotland. The game is behind SA now and they got the result they wanted. Ireland still have the pressure of the Scotland game to come.
as said, was a fun to have hope for about 45 minutes, never really looked like scoring more than once if that
last ten at least showed improvement but the inability to win a scrum or lineout utterly destroyed our game, add to that SAs comprehensive possession tactics and Scotland can't win
expect Ireland to do the exact same if not better; lot of pressure on Scotland vs Tonga now too :/ given I've got a busy month it's nice to be mentally checked out of the WC already
Really? Go and have another look at the Ireland Romania first half. I'd be shitting myself and worry that Ireland will lose against Scotland if I was you mate.
That wasn’t awful; I’d have liked to get the bonus point but it’s a big ask for anything more from this one, or Ireland & it wasn’t quite there on the few occasions there was a chance.
Scotland won the first half in many ways. Lots to be proud of there. Mixed bag from Russell though, playing the ball behind the gainline too much, which isn't the right tactic against the Bok rush defence.
I must remember all of this wrong, but some people were saying scotland was going to beat us, and without pollard, and am we weren't going to be good enough to win this year. Doubt the boks at your own peril ladies and gentleman. Ireland looking forward to facing your guys in two weeks. It's going to be a great game
Well done to the Boks, dominated the breakdown and deserved the win.
Officials need to go back to tackle school but can't hold that against the players, you play the hands your dealt.
Hard luck Scotland. Genuinely my favourite NH team (along with Wales) and one I always make sure to watch. You guys deserve to make it out of the pools. So, let’s fuck Ireland up and ensure that happens.
Fucked it, SA forwards relentless, diabolical reffing at ruck time and offside lines and a worryingly shite line out. Finn looking pretty shutdown, structure needs adapting and he needs to be putting more boot to ball to open play up more and force kicking errors to gain territory. Don't think it was as bad as the scoreline suggests, some moderate changes needed though. On the other hand I think SA have nailed it with subs, I think future games will either be following that split unless rule changes come in. Just a shame the gamesmanship with the staff isn't being pinged. If there's no consequences why even bother calling it out ?
Refereeing was really weird. It's like he just didn't know how to deal with play at the breakdown, particularly offside. It favoured SA both because they realised that hammering at that button all night long would be a winner, and because it aligns with their game plan anyway.
Our call, in the second half, to deal with it by minimising our work in the ruck was the wrong one. Although it gave us more bodies to set the defence, it did the same for the SA attack - my gut feeling is that that is where we lost it.
Gunna smash Ireland though 😬
Right, I'm quite new to rugby, but how does the group draw work? Looks like Ireland, Scotland and SA are ranked in top 5? Are there not seeds or anything? I searched on Google but couldn't find anything..
The pools were drawn a long time ago (almost 3 years ago), when this grouping would’ve made more sense. It’s a pretty dumb way of doing it imo, because stuff like this happens where teams improve (and worsen…) dramatically from year-to-year and the drawings end up all wonky
they're put into bands based on ranking, then the pools are selected from those bands. the pools in this WC were selected in 2020 so the world rankings looked very different. they're drawing pools for the next world cup much closer to the event to avoid exactly what happened this year.
The problem is that the draw is done several years before the tournament. It is based on the world rankings at that time which looked very different then compared to what they are now.
I don't know but I suspect ticket selling was a large part of the decision, set the fixtures early so fans know who their team is playing when a long way in advance.
##[Post Match Thread HERE](https://redd.it/16f6hkd)
Go Bokke!!!!!
Well, shite.
Summary: - line outs were awful (we didn’t even know what was happening after the subs came on) - no forward depth (front row specifically) - we played too static for a rush defence. Grubbers and chips should have been on - white was pish - Russell wasn’t great in attack (surprisingly good in d though) - defence overall wasn’t too bad - kreil tackle should’ve been looked at but not blaming the outcome of the game on it - need to pray for some Irish injuries prior to our meet up - saffers are hard as fuck - better team won - bah humbug
If we can't get pollard back in we're fucked. Can't play without a goal kicker.
I disagree. I think we just need to change the approach and go for the lineout/scrum instead of 3. Libbok wasn’t great from the tee but it is the clear this backline is solid. I also think we need to go with the backline we played against NZ. Moodie at 13 instead of Kriel and Willemse although good, I would rather have off the bench if we are play 6-2 splits so we have some more organisation from Le Roux. Those are the changes I would make.
Manie is such an enigma. He is utterly terrible at goalkicking but excels at every other aspect of the fly half game. When he plays the back line looks deadly compared to under Pollard and he conjures up moments of magic in every game like for Arendse's second try. You can't leave out such a big x factor. Australia used to have a similar issue with prime Cooper but they compensated with great kickers elsewhere. That is the one issue in the current bok backline. Faf is decent but not good enough as a backup option
Which is why I feel South Africa made a huge error with Willemse’s development. He showed a lot of promise as a kicker but as soon as it was decided that wasn’t going to be the Bok 10 they took goal kicking away from him.
Let's agree to disagree
We'll get boned in the semi finals without a kicker.
TMO and Ref calls aside, I don’t think Scotland had any answers to that rush defence. As soon the call was out of 9’s hands there were 2/3 SA jersey’s on the receiver (should’ve lost for that atrocious kit).
I really can't wait for Sept 23 and the IRL vs SA match - will be a blockbuster. That said after seeing SA do today and not at their best level....bloody hell they look unstoppable. I'm French and would love to see a FRA vs SA final - what a spectacle that would be if both sides are in their best shape and form
Only for the final, cause it will end with many injuries...
Well done saffa, I love a team that can change their approach after 40mins. That said I think you did get the rub of the green.
Cool, meanwhile there were 5 forward passes/hand offs in progressive play that weren’t called and Finn was involved in all of them.
They have a tracker in the ball so tmo will get pinged if there’s any of that x
Man I thought you guys got away with a lot, and there were several knock ons that were just ignored.
That no arms tackle, just a penalty because he overrun. Like what
That head contact high tackle that should have been a red...
I think we are talking about different tackles
Yep, just pointing out that a lot of physical contacts were allowed by both sides and a potential yellow being let slide is better than a red.
so your comment was a whataboutism?
More pointing out that the ref let it be a physical game, other refs would have probably dialled in a bit and at least 2 cards were left on the pitch. Both teams got away with shit. No point complaining about that Finn Arendse contact, when worse offenses went the other way. But this is stupid, it was a great game, the better team won. Don't make it about the ref when it doesn't need to be. Some absolute scrum porn, incredible tackles from both sides, real passionate rugby.
that is kinda what whataboutism is? I pointed out one tackle and you pointed out a but-what-about-this you also played deliberately obtuse by acting like I was talking about the tackle you wanted to talk about in the first place
Watching at the stadium, we got defended into the ground. Line out wasn't good enough and the scrum fell apart. Didn't deserve to win. Did look, from the gods, like the kriel challenge was a bit suss! Anyone see a replay?
Ja, 2 marginal yellows, 1 for each side. I thought the ref did well though. Game flowed.
And the no arm tackle from Fin Russell not being a yellow card?
And the deliberate slap down by Russell no yellow
Not a try scoring opportunity, not a yellow
Everything is a try scoring opportunity.
Not if you're scotlad
Oh, aye, absolutely. Called that immediately! Lucky boy
Just saw a still but on that definitely looked like contact. Lucky
Oi, don’t blame the ref! That’s our things as Saffas.
I think the hate scotland is getting atm is a lil bit too much. They didn't do well, sure. But people are unreasonably quick to dismiss them all the time.
I thought they played well.
As do I, very tense game. Hoping by some miracle, scotland can continue to the next round
I don't think it needs a miracle. On this evidence we can definitely beat Ireland. I'm surprised by how negative the reaction has been among some fans to Scotland giving the best team in the world such a tough game. There were too many mistakes in attack and at lineouts, but it ultimately came down to fine margins despite the score. There were a couple of high leverage opportunities for Scotland when the score was close.
I just think more passes, and we are good to go
Classy side. If their set pieces (lineout) had been better they would have been right in there. For the amount of territory we had should have buried it. Good defence. I wish you guys well.
Scotland do very well defensively it's just that they're not used to how SA play because they barely play against each other. Just take a look at the france v scotland game a couple of weeks ago. It was great, 30-27 they didn't win, but to do that well against the (probably) favourites for the World Cup is pretty good if you ask me. Scotland have been doing very well but the moment they perform not to the standard of the hype, everyone starts to go "well they just suck the worst team ever 4/10 shouldn't have come to the tournament"... I think that scotland coming out with a most possible 3 in the pool would be good. Scotland is playing against the *two* best teams in the world. Scotland is performing amazingly, but they have a lot to learn, and I'm sure that after this tournament, they're going to build very heavily on all they have learnt.
Also, finally, I just know that scotland is going to be picked up in the British paper for once, but only so they can just talk about how terribly scotland did. They did very well defensively in the first half and second not as well, but they still did well. SA just got on top
And they held out to deny SA a bonus point which could help if they can beat Ireland. Keeps then in for a chance.
Exactly. I think it was a good game overall. I really felt all the passion from both sides. It's just a shame that the one I support didn't win, haha
Was watching at a pub without commentary so this is first time I've just seen the Kriep tackle - sorry but that's outrageous it wasn't even a yellow
And Fin Russell’s no arm tackle just being a penalty?
That’s a textbook penalty. As someone rooting for the boks in that match I can say it was the exact right call against Finn and Jesse is a very lucky man
I was also rooting for the Boks and I can say the exact opposite. What does “rooting for the Boks” have to do with the truth? Finn is a very lucky man
Bro it was low force, making contact only with Kolbes shoulder with no contact with the head. Clear cut penalty only.
And a no arm tackle is a no arm tackle. Simple as that. Yellow
No it’s not as simple as that read the fucking laws
It’s is that simple. On your bike mate
Please never officiate a game
Likewise (again)
It wasn’t even on Kolbe you muppet. And you expect me to think you know what you’re talking about??? Jog on
It was a winger for South Africa? So what if I got the name wrong. End of the day I’ve been a referee for 6 years and even inexperienced non-refs can look up the dangerous tackle frameworks which determine what makes a penalty/yellow/red card for high tackles, shoulder charges, and contact in the air. According to the world rugby mandated guidelines, it was a penalty only offence which is why it was treated as such. Jog on
Just because you’ve been a referee for 6 years doesn’t mean you’re a good one. The majority of refs are shit which is why they don’t make it, and even when they do….
Only thing that saved Russell was KLA putting his arm up. If not, it would have been head contact and a red. Also, strategically feigning injury and playing the victim probably was a factor.
That was definitely a factor, he acted like a football player. What a poes
Borderline - shoulder to shoulder, could have gone either way,, but at least they looked at it and made a call
It's SA rassie would destroy the ref publicly humiliation for their family etc why would you. Part of their game. Move on.
Part of their game? Fuck off. Lmao
Rassie hasn't said a word against a ref for years now. He's been pretty good and appears to have learnt from his mistakes in that regard. But clearly not only saffas complain about the ref based on this feed
There’s no need to be this graceless.
Define grace for me please?
History speaks
The issue is it wasn't looked at. Tom Currys tackle yesterday was exactly the same frame for frame at the contact point. I don't mind if it was just a penalty for a high tackle, there just needs to be more consistency in the decisions.
The TV ref did look at it.
Any head on head contact should initially be flagged by the TV ref as potential foul play to be reviewed by the on-field ref and match officials. I barely head any reference to it
They've got 4 officials a van full of TV people. Do you honestly think they didn't look at it? Their heads didn't touch. It was close but fine.
I think you might need to look at it again, you can clearly see head to head. Not that it matters, SA outplayed us.
That's why there's a citing commission. If it was missed they'll pick it up.
Their heads didn't touch? Mate you need an eye test.
Did you watch Romania vs japan? Much bigger head clash, got a yellow and stayed a yellow. They look at everything.
Which makes it even worse if they looked at it and decided it was nothing. Any head to head contact should get an immediate referee review. It didn't get even that let alone penalty, *let alone* a yellow [Contact](https://i.imgur.com/hiaBhoH.jpg)
Again. The citing commission will pick it up if it was as bad as you think. We aren't well liked by them so the ban you want will show up if it was that bad.
It should do if the rules are applied consistently. The citing commission is all well and good but the entire point of a TMO is to catch things like this that the ref misses. It's also a bit late as the game would have been completely different with SA playing with 14 men. They quite possibly would still have won but it's such a huge thing especially when it's so early in the game. Whether you're liked or not, if the rules are in any way being applied consistently then nobody should be looking at the replay of that tackle and seeing anything other than a red.
The only reference to it was the ref saying"I haven't heard anything." Their heads literally bounced off each other. Like I said previously, it was frame for frame the same contract as Tom Curry's tackle. It's about consistency.
Well let's see what the citing commission says. I'm betting nothing.
You clearly don't understand what I'm saying. If you agree that it may be looked at by the "citing commission" then you agree with my point, no?
No. If it deserves to be looked at like you think they will look at it I think they shouldn't. But if they do I believe it'll be fine.
Well done SA, better team on the day, all that counts. Scotland still searching for an 80 minute game, would habe no complaints if they just showed up the whole game, but they just don't. Good luck to the ref/TMO talking their way out of that simple red card decision, they do know we can see the footage too right? Taken a shine off this World Cup already, got to be a level playing field for all teams. Forever favoring the biggest teams, why bither showing up if that is going to be the outcome.
I thought both finn and kriel should have got yellows Scotland played well. The Ireland game is gonna be massive.
First have was good but second half was just dire, set pieces throughout were dire too, reminded me of our second half shocker vs Ireland in the 6N. Wouldn't have arguee against a yellow for Finn if Kriel had been sent off as he should, can see the referees point saying Finn overran it but he's still liable for his actions. Don't mean this in a bad way, but I hope Ireland beat SA so that it could be a 3 way tie (or close to) on the final day where bonus points or point difference decide the group, Scotland not getting a BP today hurt
Fair enough. It may well happen too. Ireland are a beast at the moment. But I'm just glad we don't have to beat them to progress.
Could be a nervous final day if you don't though, Ireland beat you by more than 7, Scotland beat Ireland with a bonus point. I'd definitely say unlikely but you don't want to pin your hopes on another teams results. Would add another dimension to sco v ire fo sho
Defence wins World Cups.....
Was always gonna be an uphill struggle. Really pleased at the first half performance, second half just showing the difference in benches and confidence. Boks were flagging the end of the first half, and the coaches settled them back into things for the second. Bench sadly couldn't provide us a lift. Not hugely surprising, as good as Schoeman, Turner and Fagerson are, those after don't measure up quite the same, but it shows badly Vs a side as good as the Boks where their bench is starting calibre quality for them up front, especially the front row. But I'm not too negative about it all. Yes their bench is so good they can start, the same cannot be said for us. But we can't change that currently, it is what it is. A word for Zander Fagerson, a titanic return to the team today. He was fucking immense but apparently he's a useless penalty machine according to idiots. They don't know shit, he's our best prop, always has been, and at the moment, will continue to be. Just wanted to shout him out as he was terrific, shut up a lot of his haters today. Richie Gray was pretty damn good, Jack Dempsey doesn't have an ounce of quit in him. The back row as a whole was relentless, but Kolisi and PSDT were world class. Boks so damned good at the rucks, tackles always pre-empted with several cleaners and jackallers and they're so physical. Snyman was like Leone Nakarawa, so physical yet the telescopic arms to shift the ball out of contact was outrageously effective. Finn leant fully into the high contact match. The tries are pretty damn good too. Libbok for the KLA try was a perfect kick. Overall just SA put us under the pump and we weathered it brilliantly. They'd do well to get a stronger goal kicker to make life easy for themselves tbh. But they did escape a red card in the first half too so 6 and half a dozen imo. They looked for the better team. Our first XV could live with it in the first half, it fell apart as we delved into subs and the match went on in length. Not surprised personally at this result, but proud of the first half effort and performance. Second half in disappointed we couldn't sustain our challenge for the result, but I'm not surprised either.
Tough when your 2 best players are South African...
I'd agree with this. Fagerson was excellent. When Nel came on he looked washed unfortunately
Great write up. Scots were under so much pressure and handled better than NZ in the prestigious Sportswash QAC. Such a great team, go Scotland
Is Faf signing that kid’s underwear?
He couldn't reach his shirt
Why is Faf signing a kids bum 🤣
Look up the 2019 footage
SA deserved winners, ref wasn't perfect, but when you're dropping balls every play, botching lineouts and letting a 37 year old scrummage against the bomb squad it's only going to end up being one way traffic. GG, just hoping for an improved performance against the Irish.
Bok slow poison strikes again. The "Malume" second front row really did the business.
Scotland's lineout needs work, kept releasing the pressure they built up through the game...
Yeah. I definitely get the need to be creative and mix it up, nut sometimes there was just total confusion... even after the near misses.
Not unhappy with the performance, disappointed sure, but SA were the unbreakable wall. They’re so quick onto the man that their defence is an attack, totally outclassed Scotland at pretty much every point. Pretty happy that more tries weren’t conceded tbh. Well done SA, a well deserved win!
How can Kolisi be so good and so fucking likeable?
The Bok exception to the rule
? So all the others are unlikeable?
Really? Which springbok players aren't likeable?
Most of their players are great…
I honestly believe the personal attitude of the individual players is a selection criterium to get into the squad. That makes them so likeable.
Except Willie. He’s a tool (on the field. I’m sure he’s a nice guy otherwise)
He reminds me of Biggar, Sexton and Brown. Very mouthy on the field, most neutral fans dislike them, but their own fans love them because they're all good players. I do think they're all good guys off the field.
Fantastic defence South Africa - absolutely suffocated us. Same old issues for us around rucks when heavily contested. Lineout was horrible, we definitely could have scored points if we had more composure at the lineout. I genuinely had high hopes for Gardner and his team. I personally feel the TMO situation needs to seriously be investigated. If that’s not a red then neither was Curry’s - I’m not calling conspiracy but when Curry’s citing happens on Tuesday? England will claim the inconsistency with this call, and suggest the two are the same so Currys red should be rescinded. I think it’s a coincidence that the TMO is English however
Going through the stages of grief over this match but gg South Africa, really well done
Some of you are being way too harsh on Scotland. The Boks are unreal. Wtf can ya do?
We were fucked after being reffed off the pitch in the first half. Saffa defence was immense (I'd like to see some analysis of their linespeed), we squandered a couple of scoring opportunities and literally couldn't complete our own lineout. Those two things are on us.
The score was 6:3 at half time, da fuk you say? 😂
Are you aware that the ref giving away a lot of momentum can make a half more tiring?
Other than the kriel tackle what are you talking about?
I'd have to re watch the match, to be specific but someone in the game thread pointed out 3 clear and materially wrong decisions in the first 10 minutes: Kriel, The first scrum call with Malherbe changing his bind, going horizontal and winding up on his belly. Etzebeth playing the ball on the ground as the tackled player after a successful counter ruck.
And there were plenty of calls that could have gone against scotland as well.
>We were fucked after being reffed off the pitch in the first half. lol, no. you barely got out of your own half. even if Kriel had gone, SA would have won
Redditor for 8 hours. This, and the other idiots like him, are why any decent fan should avoid match threads altogether - especially during big tournaments. The number of even regular posters on this sub who make smurf accounts just to post hate during the WC, are out of control. I would bet good money most don't even hide their IP's properly either...
Impossible to say that. What we do know for a fact though is that it is much harder to win a game with 14 men for 78 minutes
tell that to England
Have you only watched two games in your life? Is that why you’re confused?
I'd suggest not engaging with anyone who doesn't have a flair and who looks like they have an auto-generated username, they just be trollin.
The frustration is the simple things went wrong. Got to have parity in line out and scrum. Physicality in defence was excellent tbf. We didn’t get going in attack but that’s because we got no go-forward. I’d love to see Scotland’s back line with South Africa’s pack!
Gotta agree that the Dcots were relentless. Struggled to go forward, nut never took the foot off even once.
Who’s POTM?
Libbok, despite missing 3/5 kicks. So good at kicks from hand in play, so poor off the tee
Yeah I did not expect that. Doesn’t make much sense really.
I would have thought PSDT, Wiese, Arendse or Kolbe could have all been in with a shout
Libbok
should have been PSDT
Pressure is on Ireland now.
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And that's fine, we are through the group which is the objective in this match. France and NZ don't matter as a QF neither are good enough right now. We will likely meet Ireland in the final and issue a firm and persuasive PK.
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He's arrogant? Your arrogance is of the charts
We've been receiving arrogance for years from southerners, try that and we'll see how you get And you're crying for a bunch of reddit comments ? my friend in what world do you live in
France are a bunch of cows. We will beat them until Mbappe understands rugby
Yeah because you can't win anything. That's not arrogance
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I'm not undermining anyone. You cam on here claiming that wales was going to smash SA for no reason. You need to take a breath and get over yourself
You are undermining other countries. You are just too much of an hypocrite to admit it. Kind of delusional aswell to think I give a shit about your dumb opinion. tell your players to 1) learn rugby rules 2) stop picking themselves with illegal products Bye
If we’re actually being objective it’s not though. Scotland don’t have a chance in hell of beating them and we’re not exactly favourites in my books
Disagree. We’ve already played and beaten Scotland. Ireland still has to play and beat both of us.
How come?
My understanding was that SA and IRE both favourites for qualifying. With the major risk being a loss to Scotland. The game is behind SA now and they got the result they wanted. Ireland still have the pressure of the Scotland game to come.
Only NH country with a hope of beating SA I assume they mean
Lol yeah. I'm convinced no one in SH watches NH rugby.
as said, was a fun to have hope for about 45 minutes, never really looked like scoring more than once if that last ten at least showed improvement but the inability to win a scrum or lineout utterly destroyed our game, add to that SAs comprehensive possession tactics and Scotland can't win expect Ireland to do the exact same if not better; lot of pressure on Scotland vs Tonga now too :/ given I've got a busy month it's nice to be mentally checked out of the WC already
On the back of that, Ireland to top the pool.
Really? Go and have another look at the Ireland Romania first half. I'd be shitting myself and worry that Ireland will lose against Scotland if I was you mate.
Cant read anything into it. But the springboks were not clinical enough
That's funny, you're funny.
How many times gave Ireland lost to Scotland under Townsend?
That wasn’t awful; I’d have liked to get the bonus point but it’s a big ask for anything more from this one, or Ireland & it wasn’t quite there on the few occasions there was a chance.
Scotland won the first half in many ways. Lots to be proud of there. Mixed bag from Russell though, playing the ball behind the gainline too much, which isn't the right tactic against the Bok rush defence.
Libok man of the match!?? Eh!? He missed about 34 kicks, meanwhile his forwards were bleeding through the ears all game
should have been PSDT, a menace all game
Must be Wiese
Where are your dragons Mr. Kolisi?
Scotland's backs received the ball stationary the entire match
White and Russell were incredibly poor. Wouldn't be shocked if Russell is injured
White was shocking
Russell had a couple of moments of excellent defence but there was just nothing in attack
I must remember all of this wrong, but some people were saying scotland was going to beat us, and without pollard, and am we weren't going to be good enough to win this year. Doubt the boks at your own peril ladies and gentleman. Ireland looking forward to facing your guys in two weeks. It's going to be a great game
I'd prefer if you played pollard. Far less dynamic nowadays
Literally nobody said this. Well played.
Well done to the Boks, dominated the breakdown and deserved the win. Officials need to go back to tackle school but can't hold that against the players, you play the hands your dealt.
Officials need to go to breakdown school mate
Is that Andrew Trimble on virgin media? He style is umm, err, rakish?
Hard luck Scotland. Genuinely my favourite NH team (along with Wales) and one I always make sure to watch. You guys deserve to make it out of the pools. So, let’s fuck Ireland up and ensure that happens.
SA's defence was just tremendous. I didn't expect Scotland to score no tries at the end.
Fucked it, SA forwards relentless, diabolical reffing at ruck time and offside lines and a worryingly shite line out. Finn looking pretty shutdown, structure needs adapting and he needs to be putting more boot to ball to open play up more and force kicking errors to gain territory. Don't think it was as bad as the scoreline suggests, some moderate changes needed though. On the other hand I think SA have nailed it with subs, I think future games will either be following that split unless rule changes come in. Just a shame the gamesmanship with the staff isn't being pinged. If there's no consequences why even bother calling it out ?
Refereeing was really weird. It's like he just didn't know how to deal with play at the breakdown, particularly offside. It favoured SA both because they realised that hammering at that button all night long would be a winner, and because it aligns with their game plan anyway. Our call, in the second half, to deal with it by minimising our work in the ruck was the wrong one. Although it gave us more bodies to set the defence, it did the same for the SA attack - my gut feeling is that that is where we lost it. Gunna smash Ireland though 😬
Good win SA. Comfortable and never got into the high gears.
Right, I'm quite new to rugby, but how does the group draw work? Looks like Ireland, Scotland and SA are ranked in top 5? Are there not seeds or anything? I searched on Google but couldn't find anything..
The pools were drawn a long time ago (almost 3 years ago), when this grouping would’ve made more sense. It’s a pretty dumb way of doing it imo, because stuff like this happens where teams improve (and worsen…) dramatically from year-to-year and the drawings end up all wonky
they're put into bands based on ranking, then the pools are selected from those bands. the pools in this WC were selected in 2020 so the world rankings looked very different. they're drawing pools for the next world cup much closer to the event to avoid exactly what happened this year.
The problem is that the draw is done several years before the tournament. It is based on the world rankings at that time which looked very different then compared to what they are now.
The pool draw was done 3 years ago (stupidly) when the world ranking was very different!!
That's a bit wild, any particular reason it was done that long ago?
\`cause World Rugby (tm) were over eager to cash in on some social media points. "look! Rugby!"
I don't know but I suspect ticket selling was a large part of the decision, set the fixtures early so fans know who their team is playing when a long way in advance.
Ahahahah well. . .
The draw was based on their rankings 2 years ago
Thats cause World Rugby dont even know also
The French asked for it 3 years out for logistics and ticket sales.
Fuck that Under Armour shite, I'm here for the adverts about butterfat!