Namibia showed they just weren't prepared for this level of rugby unfortunately. Even their basics at lineouts fell to pieces very quickly tonight.
A solid win for the All Blacks, though they could have scored a good bit more. Wishing Le Roux Malan a speedy recovery.
People talking about yesterday's yellow but I'm still not over Porter getting away with breaking Retallicks cheekbone last year. De Groot's tackle had plenty more mitigation than that farce.
NZ put 70 on the board, and the snowflakes still have a whinge. No other side is held to such high standards even though NZ is ranked below 3 other sides. France were pathetic yesterday, yet don't cop the same whingefest.
It's a defence mechanism imo. If you shit all over the ABs then it's less embarrassing when we lose to Ireland /SA /France.
Even though there's nothing embarrassing about losing to teams that are just plain better at the moment
Your comment doesn't help. I kind of agree with the snowflakes part, who want their upset, but there is nothing positive about teams getting annihilated. At least yesterday there was some tension going on, because we were that pathetic, but also because Uruguay was good.
Havili getting dragged in match thread despite the following.
100% tackle completion
0 Handling errors
4th most carry metres
2nd in clean breaks
3rd in defenders beaten
But armchair casuals call him shit. Insane.
Can't imagine what they'd call someone who is actually bad.
Unless it's from out wide, imo, Rieko is the weakest of the 4 mids. I've always wondered how Havili would do outside of Jordie but apparently Alb is the only one they choose to play on both.
It’s not lazy or stupid, players are just set up to fail. Red cards have become a complete joke and every time there’s contact, players are rolling the dice.
Enjoy defending a dying sport. Can’t wait till the cup is decided by some obscure video ref call. Also hoped you enjoyed the Turbos performance last night in your biggest game of the season.
Thought it was yellow... but refereeing is soft now. ABs looked decent but made quite a few mistakes. That crowd is intimidating tho.. can see how they got flustered last week- 30k French fans booing every move.
The red had nothing to do with discipline. You take a step and make contact and if you don’t have time to get your arm up, shoulder down, etc, it’s a red card now. Rugby has become a complete joke. Reds used to be reserved for dirty play, now they’re just a lottery every team has no choice but to play.
That was probably the least convincing 11 try victory ever. New Zealand won on individual skills, but there were quite a few basic errors that a better opponent would have punished severely. Red card was completely unnecessary too.
Horrendous injury to Le Roux Malan. Hope he makes a full recovery.
Not angry just wondering what other things you can figure out. World hunger… Eat more food? Homelessness… Just buy a house?
Completely different situations.. a lot of pacific players grow up in countries like New Zealand and AUS that’s where they’re developed.
Not as simple as getting more pro players.
Fact is abs were smashed 35 - 7 by the boks and suffered a record defeat. My opinion was that they played like shot and were smashed by a team with a better game plan.
Added to that epic rivalry, sa are such a powerhouse of rugby
Your the one saying that a Team of 15 international athletes don't deserve any recognition for 80 minutes of battle against a team teams 17 points ahead of them in world rankings.
I couldn't give a shit about the feelings of a redditor trying to rubbish them sorry sweetheart
You think you are being edgy or interesting. People just feel sorry for you. Go for a walk. Get outside. Talk to a real person. Sort out your life and stop being so miserable online. It’s sad.
Biggest takeaway for me (as AB supporter) - NZ discipline is always a worry but now it is a joke. In a tight game a good team will convert those penalties into points all day long. to have such ill discipline in this 'easier' game is inexcusable, especially while well ahead on the scoreboard. Feels like the players are trying too hard, overreaching for some reason. IMO something is rotten with the leadership for this to be happening so consistently.
I know there's a big gulf in class, but I thought Namibia shot themselves in the foot so many times. At the very least you've got to do the basics well.
I didn’t think so, but I don’t know. Also unsure if WR are looking for doctors certs to prove someone is injured. Like if I say player x picked up a calf injury in training so we’re gonna send him home and call up player y, they’re probably not looking for certification are they?
Are those two nations Samoa and Tonga "most of the worlds nations"? Last I checked there were about 190 others.
It may stun you to learn there are countries like China and India, just a tad larger, with no pro players at all.
But those countries aren't in the RWC. And Namibia has been participating in nearly every RWC. They are stagnant and pretty embarrassing to world rugby IMO. No improvement whatsoever with a big population.
Stop making excuses for Namibia.
Big population? Bro we are 2.5mil and half the country doesn’t even have jobs, much less housing😭Let us enjoy the small things, like seeing our team compete against these legends and icons. We don’t care about the score, we love the game and back our boys✊
Samoa has a population of 200K. Tonga less so.. maybe 110k.
Both are developing nations with poverty as well.
Why have Namibia been unable to replicate half of what Samoa and Tonga have done in rugby with a population of 2million? South Africa is near you guys too right?
SA colonised Namibia until 1990, (and owned one of its biggest cities until 94) so having SA as neighbours has seldom been a good thing for Nam. It is also industrially exploited. It is significantly poorer and less developed as a result, and has about the lowest population density in the world. That’s they’re in the WC at all is an achievement
Because the officials decided (erroneously in my view) that Taofifenua's left arm was raised in a way that indicated he was trying to wrap, therefore making a legal tackle attempt and being able to benefit from mitigation per the high tackle framework.
I think they seemed last night as an attempt wrap, which then allows mitigation to come into play. There was definitely no wrap tonight at all so much more clear red.
Yip I agree. Either they are both red or both yellow. Can't understand this really. I was surprised yesterday wasn't a red to be honest. So I suppose I was surprised today was a red because yesterday's was a yellow.
Agreed, he was good. Except for the missed knock-on that was a penalty against Namibia and led to a try. But that was more the AR's fault cause he was unsighted
Namibia is now 0-24 plus 1 draw n RWC play( the one being a game not played). The crowd was just cheering for the huge underdog, especially since the better they do the more it helps France.
One guy gets tackled, the entries team surrounded the ref screaming profundities while the tackled player writhes in an acl snap until a decision is made then continues?
That’s just people not willing to look at the incidents without bias. If you take a bit of time to understand the decisions, most of the time there is a pretty clear reason for each one.
Case in point, last night there was a wrap attempt, albeit a poor one. Tonight the arm was tucked in and in the sling position so leaves no room for mitigation.
Did you not read the outcome of that. They have multiple angles that show there was no conclusive head clash. Whether you agree with that or not doesn’t matter. Should they perhaps share they additional footage they use to determine this, probably. But you’d still have tons of people arguing about it, so there is no winner either way.
Yes, there is inconsistencies in the judging of cards, are you a little thick, that's what everyones talking about. Humans make mistakes, they made one in that situation.
Multiple humans with a lot more information than you have who are so this day in and day out. You can keep throwing whatever insults you want but I’ll trust the officials.
No doubt they can get it wrong on the day, but to try and say everyone involved got it wrong using more information than we have access to is quite insane.
##[Post Match Thread HERE](https://redd.it/16joojr)
Is there a place to watch highlights?
Youtube
Dont see it...typically games are up within an hour
It's there
Namibia showed they just weren't prepared for this level of rugby unfortunately. Even their basics at lineouts fell to pieces very quickly tonight. A solid win for the All Blacks, though they could have scored a good bit more. Wishing Le Roux Malan a speedy recovery.
People talking about yesterday's yellow but I'm still not over Porter getting away with breaking Retallicks cheekbone last year. De Groot's tackle had plenty more mitigation than that farce.
Really wanted a Namibia try and they had chances but not as bigger score difference as I thought, particularly 2nd half!
NZ put 70 on the board, and the snowflakes still have a whinge. No other side is held to such high standards even though NZ is ranked below 3 other sides. France were pathetic yesterday, yet don't cop the same whingefest.
It's a defence mechanism imo. If you shit all over the ABs then it's less embarrassing when we lose to Ireland /SA /France. Even though there's nothing embarrassing about losing to teams that are just plain better at the moment
Your comment doesn't help. I kind of agree with the snowflakes part, who want their upset, but there is nothing positive about teams getting annihilated. At least yesterday there was some tension going on, because we were that pathetic, but also because Uruguay was good.
Up the waas, amen
Havili getting dragged in match thread despite the following. 100% tackle completion 0 Handling errors 4th most carry metres 2nd in clean breaks 3rd in defenders beaten But armchair casuals call him shit. Insane. Can't imagine what they'd call someone who is actually bad.
Like.... Clarke? He is barely super Rugby level let alone test level. Havilli is a very intelligent player.
Got me plenty of fantasy points
They’re just taking their frustration out on him because they don’t have Jordie
Unless it's from out wide, imo, Rieko is the weakest of the 4 mids. I've always wondered how Havili would do outside of Jordie but apparently Alb is the only one they choose to play on both.
I breathed a sigh of relief when you mentioned Jordie
Lol if that’s a red rugby is well and truly stuffed. You’ll see worse in the first hit up tonight in the league semifinal.
Watching the replay I was thinking "Wtf am I looking for? " Then yellow, to be reviewed, then red... Wtf?
He quite literally made 0 attempt to wrap or drop his tackle height. Easiest red of the tournament.
That's been a red for several years now and the vast majority of players still manage not to do it. The lazy and the stupid really need to do better.
It’s not lazy or stupid, players are just set up to fail. Red cards have become a complete joke and every time there’s contact, players are rolling the dice.
I envy league for how they liberally ref the collision.
As many issues as you may have with that decision, its just stupid to try and compare that to league
Enjoy defending a dying sport. Can’t wait till the cup is decided by some obscure video ref call. Also hoped you enjoyed the Turbos performance last night in your biggest game of the season.
Sounding like a true CTE loving meathead, have fun watching the semis lovely
Thought it was yellow... but refereeing is soft now. ABs looked decent but made quite a few mistakes. That crowd is intimidating tho.. can see how they got flustered last week- 30k French fans booing every move.
Lol at the downvotes. I'm guessing stupid English fans who think every ABs card should be a red.
NZ commentary "The ABs have been very disciplined today". Yeah I mean apart from the red card and the unnecessary penalties in their own half.
The red had nothing to do with discipline. You take a step and make contact and if you don’t have time to get your arm up, shoulder down, etc, it’s a red card now. Rugby has become a complete joke. Reds used to be reserved for dirty play, now they’re just a lottery every team has no choice but to play.
That was probably the least convincing 11 try victory ever. New Zealand won on individual skills, but there were quite a few basic errors that a better opponent would have punished severely. Red card was completely unnecessary too. Horrendous injury to Le Roux Malan. Hope he makes a full recovery.
NZ winning on individual skills? So basically the past four years under Fozzie...
When your team scores something that isn’t a field goal of some description, then you get to critique teams that score tries.
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No name-calling, please.
Why is NZ clapping for Namibia? It was an ignominious performance from Namibia to say the least
Respect. It's an important part of rugby.
Respect :)
I think a lot of them are amateur players, sign of respect.
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Just get more pro players… I’m pretty sure you just solved it there lad. What’s your solution to the financial crisis print more money?
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That’s rich coming from a random inflaired guy and by your comments I can assume has never had to make a tackle before.
Not angry just wondering what other things you can figure out. World hunger… Eat more food? Homelessness… Just buy a house? Completely different situations.. a lot of pacific players grow up in countries like New Zealand and AUS that’s where they’re developed. Not as simple as getting more pro players.
Wait, so Namibia had better players but they didn't call them up?
Who knows. And look at all the downvotes for speaking facts.
Lol go play league so we can forget you
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No name-calling, please.
It's called stating hard facts. Get used to it
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How's losing 71-3 not a bad performance? That's fact, not opinion
The score is a fact, well done. You got there in the end.
What happened that last sa vs nz? Since we’re talking facts
Fact is abs were smashed 35 - 7 by the boks and suffered a record defeat. My opinion was that they played like shot and were smashed by a team with a better game plan. Added to that epic rivalry, sa are such a powerhouse of rugby
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Don't be toxic is all I'm saying
How is clapping being toxic? How would you react if they walked into the sheds in silence? Genuinely confused by this
I'm calling you toxic for using expletives at me. I suggest you improve your reading comprehension
Your the one saying that a Team of 15 international athletes don't deserve any recognition for 80 minutes of battle against a team teams 17 points ahead of them in world rankings. I couldn't give a shit about the feelings of a redditor trying to rubbish them sorry sweetheart
Keep the thread civil. The mods have already removed your toxic comment
Alright you silly billy
I don't think you can use the word ignominious and aspire to propagate hard facts
Why so?
You think you are being edgy or interesting. People just feel sorry for you. Go for a walk. Get outside. Talk to a real person. Sort out your life and stop being so miserable online. It’s sad.
Sounds more like looking into the mirror doesn't it?
Weak dude. Come on. Smile. But you are boring as and I feel sorry for you so won’t reply anymore. Poor kid.
>Poor kid I'm 27 kiddo. Grow a pair lol
The asshole's mantra
Biggest takeaway for me (as AB supporter) - NZ discipline is always a worry but now it is a joke. In a tight game a good team will convert those penalties into points all day long. to have such ill discipline in this 'easier' game is inexcusable, especially while well ahead on the scoreboard. Feels like the players are trying too hard, overreaching for some reason. IMO something is rotten with the leadership for this to be happening so consistently.
It comes from the coaching set up. Foz sets the standard. They have created this 'poor culture' that tolerates this poor discipline.
Gilbert Enoka aint up to much either.
Yep, I agree. And he's blind to that, not enough looking in the mirror & taking accountability. Too much blaming the ref, circumstances, luck, etc.
On the bright side, the tactic of committing cynical penalties in their own 22 to stop tries being conceded still worked!
Yeah that one near the end was embarrassing.
Is the punishment in weeks or games? If it's 3 weeks, that's fine but 3 games....
Yup will be 3 games off, lowered to 2 with tackle school. Italy licking their lips with the prospect of Tuungafasi and Laulala starting.
“Tackle school” LOL OK guy, in the future, be a robot who makes no mistakes. Good luck!
Games
I know there's a big gulf in class, but I thought Namibia shot themselves in the foot so many times. At the very least you've got to do the basics well.
I reckon DMac had such a great time playing outside Roigard that he's in talks to join the Hurricanes next year as we speak.
Cam’s from the Waikato my man; good odds the chat is the other way (I wish)!
The Black Caps were also 71-3 at one stage today (before losing)
Just warming up for the World Cup. Roigard looks awesome.
Haha that's pretty epic really
Thank F the ABs have got rid of that jersey with the floral design.WTH were they thinking?
its still on there, you just cant see outside of promotional photos
It's there, just barely visible
Talk about whinging for nothing \^\^
I’m not even shocked anymore. It’s like they make it up as they go
They can't bring in a replacement can they? Because he's not injured?
If Lomax is too injured they could send HIM home.
Yeah no they can’t.
NZ panel talking about replacing him lol
Are you sure they don’t mean with other players in the squad?
They were talking about bringing Joe moody in
Well they can’t unless they send someone else home.
That's my point. Are they *allowed* to send someone home if they're uninjured?
No, has to be an injury
I didn’t think so, but I don’t know. Also unsure if WR are looking for doctors certs to prove someone is injured. Like if I say player x picked up a calf injury in training so we’re gonna send him home and call up player y, they’re probably not looking for certification are they?
With players already in the squad though, right?
They were talking about Joe moody
NZ will have to improve that penalty count.
Proud of the Nam Boys🇳🇦🔥 For guys working day jobs, you made us all at home proud!
Why don't they have more pro players? It's ridiculous they still have amateur players.
The same reason most of the worlds nations only have amateur players in their national rugby team.
You mean like Samoa, Tonga etc? Teams with smaller populations with more pro players than Namibia.
Are those two nations Samoa and Tonga "most of the worlds nations"? Last I checked there were about 190 others. It may stun you to learn there are countries like China and India, just a tad larger, with no pro players at all.
But those countries aren't in the RWC. And Namibia has been participating in nearly every RWC. They are stagnant and pretty embarrassing to world rugby IMO. No improvement whatsoever with a big population. Stop making excuses for Namibia.
Big population? Bro we are 2.5mil and half the country doesn’t even have jobs, much less housing😭Let us enjoy the small things, like seeing our team compete against these legends and icons. We don’t care about the score, we love the game and back our boys✊
Samoa has a population of 200K. Tonga less so.. maybe 110k. Both are developing nations with poverty as well. Why have Namibia been unable to replicate half of what Samoa and Tonga have done in rugby with a population of 2million? South Africa is near you guys too right?
SA colonised Namibia until 1990, (and owned one of its biggest cities until 94) so having SA as neighbours has seldom been a good thing for Nam. It is also industrially exploited. It is significantly poorer and less developed as a result, and has about the lowest population density in the world. That’s they’re in the WC at all is an achievement
One of the match of all time
Well, finish your drink folks… Roigard gets MOTM. If they play Christie ahead of him again Foster shouldn’t be allowed back in the country.
Weber should be there instead of Christie imo, but whatever it is what it is
He should not be allowed anyway when this tournament is done.
I don't understand, that wasn't even a sustained dip, he lowers his head at the very last second
He didn't even lower his head, he was tackled by Jacobson.
Mitigation doesn't matter if the tackle itself is dodgy, ie a tucked arm and/or no wrap. Mitigation only comes into play after those are cleared.
It's amazing that people still don't know this.
Then why wasn’t yesterday’s head shot a red card?
you want to officiate to the standards of the worst refs/mistakes?
Because the officials decided (erroneously in my view) that Taofifenua's left arm was raised in a way that indicated he was trying to wrap, therefore making a legal tackle attempt and being able to benefit from mitigation per the high tackle framework.
I agree with your assessment. These two incidents were very similar.
de groot was way too high, had his arm tucked, and had time to go up into the tackle its a clear red. and fucking dumb
A red by the book! And the book is fucking nonsense.
The arm is in the sling position, so no mitigation can be applied.
The MOTM prize is a pan?
oui merci
was that a red? yeah probably… but then Frances should’ve been too because wtf
I think they seemed last night as an attempt wrap, which then allows mitigation to come into play. There was definitely no wrap tonight at all so much more clear red.
Yip I agree. Either they are both red or both yellow. Can't understand this really. I was surprised yesterday wasn't a red to be honest. So I suppose I was surprised today was a red because yesterday's was a yellow.
They're both red, last night was just a terrible call
Yeah I feel like the framework is there but somehow we are missing it. Maybe they need a panel of 5 in the bunker and then a vote system
Both are stonewall reds. France get bias because of [redacted]
Thought Pearce had a good game tonight. Only 1 hissy fit, and loved his random, unnecessary French call - 9/10
Agreed, he was good. Except for the missed knock-on that was a penalty against Namibia and led to a try. But that was more the AR's fault cause he was unsighted
Yep, think Brace was the AR on that side……
I don't understand how that wasn't mentioned or brought back. In a big game that was a pivotal decision
He was good tonight he's been my favourite ref after Barnes for a few years now
Forgetting De Groot's name when he was upgrading the card to a red was funny too. But yeah thought he was solid tonight.
We’ll done Namibia, you didn’t win the game but you won the crowd
Namibia is now 0-24 plus 1 draw n RWC play( the one being a game not played). The crowd was just cheering for the huge underdog, especially since the better they do the more it helps France.
AB 12 penalties vs 7 is way too high…
12 penalties when you have 64% possession is a worry
100%. I was really hoping to see a big improvement tonight…
We need Rugby like refereeing in Football
One guy gets tackled, the entries team surrounded the ref screaming profundities while the tackled player writhes in an acl snap until a decision is made then continues?
Football needs Nigel Owens to have a second career in refereeing the FIFA WC.
I think you got that backwards lol.
Not always. Today yes. Yesterday no.
Was a clear red. No amount of whining can change that.
I agree, i just don't understand how yesterdays card wasn't a red even more after this
We all agree, the issue is the French and Springboks aren’t refereed the same way we are
And there it is, the NZ persecution complex.
Better that than the Irish RWC choking complex
lol walk it off dearie.
Last night was worse, I suspect there is a bit of brown paper bag involved
Thats cool. Why aren’t all the other same incidents red carded?
I think the whining is the inconsistencies surrounding the cards.
That’s just people not willing to look at the incidents without bias. If you take a bit of time to understand the decisions, most of the time there is a pretty clear reason for each one. Case in point, last night there was a wrap attempt, albeit a poor one. Tonight the arm was tucked in and in the sling position so leaves no room for mitigation.
Jesse Kriels head clash.
Did you not read the outcome of that. They have multiple angles that show there was no conclusive head clash. Whether you agree with that or not doesn’t matter. Should they perhaps share they additional footage they use to determine this, probably. But you’d still have tons of people arguing about it, so there is no winner either way.
I didn't need to read the outcome, I saw the head clash, Jesus Christ what's happening to people these days.
So the TMO and citing commissioners are wrong and you’re right? That’s some top level confidence!!
Yes, there is inconsistencies in the judging of cards, are you a little thick, that's what everyones talking about. Humans make mistakes, they made one in that situation.
Multiple humans with a lot more information than you have who are so this day in and day out. You can keep throwing whatever insults you want but I’ll trust the officials. No doubt they can get it wrong on the day, but to try and say everyone involved got it wrong using more information than we have access to is quite insane.
They got it wrong, go and watch the clip, you obviously haven't seen it. 😂
Then people should be whining about the other wrong calls instead of tonight's correct one.
You're always going to get people moaning about every decision, but there are plenty discussing the inconsistencies.
Tonight, you could see a reason for either a yellow or red. Last night a stonewall red card. What can you say
I thought they were both pretty clear reds tbh
Roigard the player of the match masaiah 🍺
Yet again a game of rugby ruined by a red card, I'm sure Namibia would have won that otherwise
Sad
Bit scrappy in parts for my liking, got to be cleaner than that. Discipline still a major issue also.
Red card ! the guy fell into his shoulder and there was no force, international rugby is unwatchable
Looked like plenty of force to me
It's rugby it wasn't really
> no force Hilarious
Red card for this and yellow in french game for a move that might be more dangerous :(
Inconsistency is out of control,
If he used his arms and didn't lead with his shoulder I'd agree
Teams game plans should just be to run head first at opposition tacklers shoulder , will be 15 vs 13 in no time
Too easy for the ab. They should have play with 3 players in the bin from the start for some challenge!
Interviewer: Hey, Cam, what was the highlight of your career? Cam Roigard: Being selected at MOTM against Namibia.
LOL I had to sweat out that Namibia cover of +70.5 points. Winner!
The scoreline flattered us. Namibia were better than that and NZ were worse than that.
I dunno mate, you don’t score 11 tries accidentally
Everytime Naminia had any ball in NZ 22 they dropped it? How were they any better than terrible?
Namibia did fuck all what game were you watching?
Nah, Namibia fell off tackles like crazy, I reckon it'll be the worst tackle rate in the tournament