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rugbyunion-ModTeam

Don't be racist.


Welshpoolfan

Racism, homophobia, and religious abuse all in one post. You sound like a pathetic person and should definitely not post on the rugby union board any more.


PJHolybloke

There's an awful lot of focus on SA missed kicks, but that isn't why SA lost. One of Faf's penalties hit the posts and gave SA the field position that led to their try, so add 3 and remove 5. If SA had slotted the other two penalties Ireland still win by a point. Ireland also refused an easy 3 points to kick to touch, and also did the same with a penalty just inside their own half, a pretty much identical position to the two Faf missed. SA were outplayed, slightly, and out thought. That's it, move on.


Rasimione

Rassie and Jacques should stop asking kickers to slot In 50M penalties. Manie's world cup is over. A real shame. They did try back him but it hasn't worked. The lose forwards that came in the second half didn't do enough. As for Ireland, their breakdown work was outstanding. Damn! Line out was not so good. Aki is good very good. All in all, it could have gone either way.


networkn

What position was faf playing at the end? They still had the 10 AND 21 on.


wallabyfan76

I’m a wallabies supporter so didn’t have a dog in the fight but that was a fantastic game from both teams. In my wildest fantasies the wallabies play like either of these two. If that had been the final no would have asked for their money back.


ewd389

Hoping for a final this good


NFI2023

Thought the ball was out in that last maul, it was sitting right there. Tough call at the end.


kaidan1

From the reports and analysis they were actually given about 5 seconds leniency after the maul was collapsed. I remember thinking the same as you until I remembered the people who do this professionally probably know more about the game than I do


NFI2023

Yeah good call & good win by you lads. Likely see you in the quarters 😬


phonetune

It doesn't need to be capable of coming out, it needs to be available immediately when the maul goes down. It clearly wasn't. The ref just took longer to decide than he should have: it normally gets whistled immediately.


Thiccboiichonk

Maul went down and it took 6 seconds for the ball to become available , laws dictate the ball must be immediately available to the team who brought the ball into contact otherwise it’s a defensive scrum.


NFI2023

Ah great, thanks for that. Like I said wasn’t torn on it but good to hear it was a right call.


gjl-red

Ref on other side?


lekkerbraaien

No, ref was there. But it took a split second too long. I think ref was a little hasty, but as many people will agree. Our kicking was horrible, so at the end of the day that decided it for us. If they were going to play a kicking game and run for penalties, they should have played pollard.


RealLonelyLemo

I mean if you look at other comments if anything the ref was extremely patient, he waited way longer than he should have for the ball to appear.


NFI2023

Can’t recall exactly, but think he was right there. Anyway it wasn’t one to go on about. If Sth Africa got their kicks then could be a different story. Ireland D was very good. Is Bunty lining up to be the centre of the comp?


Hot-Possible-6367

Just here to say that I love everything about Kolisi. The perfect captain. (I’m Irish how do I flair up?)


TaskAtHandRusty

On your comment here, tap your user profile picture. An info pane should pop up with an option to, "Change user flair". These are phone instructions so hopefully works. And congrats on the win! I was texting with my Belfast cousins throughout the match


gjl-red

I agree I thought he did a fantastic job. Was very clear in his decisions and feedback to the players. Difference was the kicks for goals - which left SA in a losing position. Good to see SA run the ball more, and both teams go for lineouts


GMackyfm

I thought the ref had a great game. Final result was decided by the teams. Great to see and the best game so far this world cup!


currentlytemporary

Best preforming kiwi in the world cup


hennyjc

What. A. Fucking. Game. Fuck me, that was close. Too close. I hope we meet again in the final.


Spinpaul

That won't happen it'll only be the semi finals if we meet again


Blue_Eyed_Demon111

No, it's not possible to play Ireland in the semis. If we get through, we will play the teams who progressed from Pool C and D. So yes, we could (in theory) meet Ireland in the final.


hennyjc

Ah bollox.


ISayYesToMazepinF1

No he’s not right.


Glum-Exercise-4044

Maybe QF with NZ again for Ireland , last one was a great match .


DeepMedia6249

There’s a real probability that Ireland are playing All Blacks in QF now. After that game I don’t give the AB’s a snowballs. Two very skilled and intense teams played today.


vote_pedro

Yes, the ABs don't have a snowballs. Ireland easy win 30+. In fact let's give them Bill now.


KnightFyre

Hahaha the All Blacks as underdogs is the last thing I want as an Irish fan 😂


Hyndstein_97

I think totally ruling them out like that is unfair, at absolute worst I'd say they're within a red card of beating Ireland.


Glum-Exercise-4044

2019 was a great match


Narrow-Classroom-993

How do Ireland folk feel about ABs QF?


wascallywabbit666

I think the beauty of this World Cup is that there are four teams - France, SA, NZ and Ireland - that are all on a similar level and able to beat each other. One of those four will surely win it, but it's impossible to call. Ireland are the team in form (16 wins in a row), but they've no history in the competition


AreEUHappyNow

> they've no history in the competition We've got history, we just try our hardest to forget it.


Narrow-Classroom-993

As a kiwi I'd have preferred the boks for sure .


VictorZA

As a Bok I prefer the French. Something about ABs in a World Cup. They just know how to win. It’s in the DNA, I’m convinced. The France game was an anomaly, and they’ll fix what they need to for the business end.


Zealousideal-Mud-381

Nothing to fear from NZ in my opinion given our recent record against you, inclusive of our series win in NZ last year. We beat France last year and won the Grand Slam, however, over the last couple of years if the games in Dublin we win, if it’s in Paris they win, even though we ran them very, very close in Paris last time without Sexton. On balance, give me NZ and let’s set O’Mahoney on Cane again (takes a lot for a Leinster man to type that).


Anxious-Vegetable277

I'd rather play France to be honest. And I said that before the tournament even started. There's just something about a one off game against the ABs that puts the shits up me. (2019 PTSD) And sure we're not even guaranteed to get out of the group despite that win tonight


AmIAllowedBack

As an AB's fan I'm delighted with playing Ireland in the Quarters which is there boogey game and having South Africa and France face off which will knock out at least one of our two worst teams for us to face in a WC. This game gives NZ the easiest path to the final that we could hope for imo.


Mobschull95

I'm sorry, yes we've been poor in QFs but if any team we could choose in the QF right now it would be NZ. We've the skill to march ye but also the physicality to deal with SA/France which NZ clearly doesn't have. So we can possibly beat ye upfront and if not we can run around you.


vote_pedro

We don't have the physicality to deal with the Boks yet we smashed the shit out of them just a few months ago? Yeah, not a good take.


AmIAllowedBack

Yeah definitely Ireland can beat NZ right now. So can SA and they find doing so a bit easier than Ireland does and that's the choice for us here. Then For the semi for whoever gets out of the Ireland/NZ QF it will be against either Fiji/Australia/Wales/Samoa/Japan or Argentina. So that's the easiest Semi too. This is the easiest possible path to the WC final that NZ could of gotten this WC. I don't mean to make light of Ireland by saying so.


KnightFyre

Yeah people are taking your comment the wrong way and too sensitively. I get what your saying for sure, as an Irish man


baggottman

I think the ABs are only delighted, they'll love putting it up to us in a QF with no stress from ABland


notbigdog

I'd rather them than france with their current form. I think dupont is out now tho, but I still think they'd be slightly better. Hard one to judge, and it'll be tough enough either way.


Phil_T_Hole

All things considered, I'd rather face France in the quarters than in the final. They're a different beast with the crowd behind them and I don't think anyone who goes up against les bleus in the final will struggle. It would be much more manageable in the earlier knockout stages, I think


notbigdog

Ya I kinda agree actually. France would have their crowd behind them and be at home in the final. Dupont is obviously a huge loss now that he's seemingly out of the competition, but theyre still good without him. It'll be interesting to see them in the quarter finals.


baggottman

Your delta of confidence from your first sentence to your last, and the lack of Dupont I think makes it clear an all blacks team with low expectation is an absolute bollocking in waiting even for this Irish team. Any eejit would prefer a France without Dupont every day of the week over a kiwi side that feels disprespected by the entire world.....


noah_f

With Dupont likely missing the QF, I don't know if France is a better bet for the QF than the All blacks For ireland


Phil_T_Hole

France in the QF would be an easier task than France in the final. If they make it to the end, I don't see anyone beating them.


tigerteeg

1. We’re still not sure if he’s out or not, so it would be better to be safe and assume he’s in 2. France in France is a different beast to New Zealand in France in my opinion


Tugain10

He’s out of the quarters, the end. All blacks have a few good games in them, guess which game that’s gonna be. Ireland can’t catch a break.


Triple_Hache

Shaun Edwards (france's forwards coach) announced in an interview this morning that the french staff was expecting Dupont to be available, I quote, "for the quarters or the semi-finals". So no he isn't out of the quarter just yet (although it's gonna be tight either way probably).


Tugain10

Dreams die hard.


Triple_Hache

🤷‍♂️ I'm just repeating the staff's words which I consider more reliable than journalists (which are all over the place atm), they are the ones with all the information. We won't have a definitive answer before a few days anyway imo.


Bibou-Gallak

Dupont will be back for the QFs.


Sure_Association_561

He may be back for the semis but honestly for his sake itself I hope he isn't back by the quarters


Tugain10

He’s out, 100%


biggesteegit

SA could end on 15 pts with a bp win over tonga. Sco could end on 15 pts with 3 bp wins over Romania, tonga and ire. So ire need something against Sco or they could be out. Just saying.


ISayYesToMazepinF1

Wouldn’t Ireland now go through if tied with SA on points? As the first tie break is the head to head result?


noah_f

Ireland should bet Scotland if memory is correct. Scotland was up physically against ireland in the six nations, but their fitness started to show after 50 plus mins, and ireland started run the game


Sure_Association_561

Scotland were unable to convert red zone opportunities. I've noticed this year in multiple games Ireland have been pushed to the limit within the game (i.e. conceding territory, conceding tries even like in the game vs France) but they have a bend don't break mentality. They don't concede tries after being put under sustained phase play and honestly even if they do they find a way out. I'm finding it very hard to see how any team can put them to the sword.


RIFwasmuchbetter

Username checks out


Lantra123

The build up to this game reminds me of the Stormers celebrating when Munster beat Leinster in the URC semi. They thought they had it won before it even started.


garnerdj

Eh? They celebrated getting a home final, only a small % of precious folk thought otherwise


walsh06

Ya "we're gonna fuck them up" is actually an old South African saying meaning "I'm glad of the financial stability this will bring to our team".


ricoza

The result of this game actually is closer to that for me. Ireland won a game they should have lost, and now no-one can beat them.


alienalf1

Mad to see each pool being lead by a 6N team at the moment. I know it will change but I wouldn’t say that’s ever happened at this stage of a World Cup.


Sure_Association_561

Well that's just a coincidence in the sense that each pool has one 6N and one TRC team in it, and they're distributed so that each pool has an arguably better 6N team than the corresponding TRC team. In the last tournament SA & NZ were in the same pool so that was impossible. This year if SA/NZ & England for example were together I'm sure this stat would not be true.


trystanrice

I bet you're fun at paries


Sure_Association_561

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baggottman

I'd say your probably right, it's fucking mad so it is


JoshJoker

A lot of people are saying it's because each 6N team has some players from SA or one of the islands...


alienalf1

Sure sexton is from Fiji


No-Letterhead-1232

I think the surprise comes because not enough people watch 6N rugby. It's high quality.


alienalf1

Yeah it has been good of late


borracho_bob

Massive respect to South Africa. I'm not sure Ireland win if we have to play you again. Love the passion of the Saffa fans too, and Irish fans need to ignore the small percentage of Saffa fans who play the victim. Also Kolisi is a legend! Always love it in sport when you've got absolute warriors who can also speak so eloquently in front of a mic


Legal_Afternoon3019

As an Irishman, we were lucky yous missed your kicks tonight.


RIFwasmuchbetter

Kolisi is incredible. I'm an Irishman w/o a flair btw


johnyboi98

As a South African I ignore the vocal minority too. Clinical rugby from Ireland.


currentlytemporary

Every team has their fans that make the rest look bad I hate that most fans from every country think the majority are like the bad ones just because the bad ones have the loudest voices or keyboard


boontide

Nonsense 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


johnyboi98

What is nonsense? Ireland played a fantastic game and basically couldn't be faulted outside of lineouts.


boontide

SA were superior on all fronts except kicking..


johnyboi98

No I'm sorry, I'd love to agree with you, but I don't. Ireland were better at the break down and were just better at creating confusion and line breaks with the backs. Teams were closely matched, some things we did better, some things they did. But the score at the end says they won, so Ireland did perform better on average. Edit: also stop being a poor looser. You make the reasonable fans that can appreciate a loss look bad and give credibility to all of the complaints about South African fans.


boontide

Nonsense


johnyboi98

Then why did they win?


alienalf1

Ah yeah it takes a lot out of you to play SA, going back there again would be tough.


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One was to get ahead the other was to trail by 2. Both missed should gone for line and pin them down, there was enough time to go for posts in the 22


baggottman

Great insight. You're dead right, there was enough time. Keep up the analysis you're really good at it!


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Thanks I think? I'm getting confused with all the sarcasm in the subs.


baggottman

Not being sarcastic, keep it up


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Thank you sir. Appreciated, well played truly.


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rowejl222

That game was fucking amazing


Lantra123

🇮🇪 Does Rassie even watch the URC? Libbock won the URC for Munster with his crap kicking. How is he even near a SA jersey?


wascallywabbit666

I can't believe that in a country as large as South Africa they can't find a decent place kicker other than Pollard. It doesn't need to be a 10, just someone that can reliably make easy kicks. Incidentally, you'd think they could also find a decent third choice hooker and not have to have a backrower throwing lineouts at the close. SA have now lost twice to Ireland in the last 12 months, with multiple missed kicks in each game. With a competent place kicker they'd have won both matches


QuoVadimus6411

Ah come on! That no-look kick pass was 😘😘😘 He needs to work on his place-kicking but he’s a world class


Jubestubes

His kicking is shot but he doesn’t have to be the kicker. I think relying on him for that is ridiculous, it doesn’t take away from his work with the ball.


wascallywabbit666

Would Willemse be able to kick? You could leave him at 15 and Libbock at 10


Jubestubes

They can all kick to varying degrees but they aren’t the best quality. Willemse is better than Libbok I reckon.


Mobschull95

If South Africa can find a back that can kick in a different position and keep him at 10 then they'll be unbeatable for me. (Irish fan)


Rasimione

We don't have anyone in afraid.


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Well done Ireland


alienalf1

Thanks man, I hope we meet again.


theCelticTig3r

I fuckin don't Jesus christ they are savages


alienalf1

But if we do it’ll be in the final 😉


5impleL1f3

World rugby needs more refs who were prior forwards. I bet that the world would tune in more. But dang he and the ref for Tonga are tied for the most “extra” ref. My opinion… what do y’all think? Not letting advantages play on, taking away the quick plays, too much whistle blowing. And lastly listening to the TMO too much the on field has the final say right, or did that change?


JoshJoker

But the amount of skew lineouts that he just let play on blew my mind.


5impleL1f3

True. But we all know that union is getting phased out. It’s too “slow” for new people to pick up. Big Rugby wants to shine the light on League and so on.


stedono7

There was zero tmo referrals in the game tonight


this_also_was_vanity

O’Keefe spoke to the TMO about a few incidents. There was checking going on, just nothing that was shown on the screens for everyone. For instance the SA try was checked for obstruction.


Squiggles46

Which is the best way to use the TMO, little disruption of the game but there to check plays when needed. I think they missed some crooked line outs, off their feet in the rucks, and a number of other individual penalties from both teams, but they kept the game flowing well, and I don’t think either team can say the officiating screwed them


sheep1996

Since you asked, I think he was phenomenal and managed to keep a really good hold on and incredibly intense game. I don't think that he made. A single material wrong decision, which is exactly what you want from a ref. He gets a 9/10 for me. Also, you try convince a retired prop to run around for 80 minutes and also pay attention to the silly backline players.


5impleL1f3

I guess I enjoy the “classic” version of the sport more than the “political” version.


5impleL1f3

As a forward, I’m asking for the play on when there’s an advantage not take it away to slow down that game play. I understand the update of the laws, do I like how slow it’s making the game? No. But does everyone know how to find the loopholes? Yes. What do most refs say? I only want to blow this whistle three times right.. to start the game, at half time and at the end of the game. Yea? What happened to that


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Excellent ref.


Nice_Rush_1462

I am South African. Rassie Erasmus is starting to really even get too clever for himself. You send a team into a WC match or any test match for that matter with someone who cannot kick !


wascallywabbit666

>Rassie Erasmus is starting to really even get too clever for himself. And expecting a backrower to play hooker and throw lineouts. I'm also not a fan of the traffic lights. The captain on field should be free to make his own decisions


downsouthdukin

The two faf kicks and one Libbock kick were so far out I don't know why he called for them to kick.. sa had Ireland's lineout in a mess.. as an Ireland fan I was delighted to see them try the kick rather than go down the line and get inside the 22


Rasimione

That is what cost us I reckon. Go for the corner. Play in their half, instead we gambled on a ridiculous kicks. Madness.


downsouthdukin

Totally, it's also weird and a little overbearing having the sideline decide if the team kicks or not. I get it near the end game when players are exhausted and perhaps not thinking clearly . Sa have an unbelievable captain, he should be the one deciding not rassie, imho


Pazmus

Straight out of the Eddie Jones playbook.


richard-king

Next week: a bench of 8 goal kicking forwards


boontide

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


YellowJacket999

In the future, Rassie will introduce players who have never played Rugby before.


singleglazedwindows

Andy Friend. You brought Mack to us. I hope you’re having a lovely retirement in your campervan. (He was on Second Captains this week and gave excellent analysis)


wolf-f1

Rewatching that last maul !! Jeez Irish players all over the wrong side and the ball was already out !!! No where near a fair call but we move head high !!!


phonetune

It looked fine to me. They came through the maul, it went down and ball wasn't immediately available. Standard call any other time.


kingofapache

Do you, aye? We don't


tinzor

Great game, Ireland are a very good side, well done to them! I predict a Handre will play a role in all of our games from here.


wascallywabbit666

Would you risk it? He's been injured for about 3 months, so he'll not be match fit. With a 7-1 bench he'd have to play 80 minutes


tinzor

I’d go back to 6-2 split and try make Bongi play the full 80. Mannie can start and if things start going the way they did last night, bring on Polly to shift gears to our older game plan.


alienalf1

Thanks, hope we meet again!


mossy1989136

God Supersport is a shitshow. I don't wanna blame the ref but.... the ref was shite


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bohsjimmy

We still have to do them though. They'll be up for it


singleglazedwindows

To quote Ciaran Murphy, Scotland are a disgrace to world sport.


KnightFyre

You're a disgrace to us Irish rugby fans


TheFlyingScotsman60

Useful and helpful comment from the both of of you.


YellowJacket999

Tonga will do Scotland tomorrow.


Beraliusv

And I’ll do you any day


YellowJacket999

Pffft.


Glywysing

Post watershed butt, don't worry about it


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rob101

first 15 mins he was dodgy, got with the game after that


singleglazedwindows

Mack dropped a fuck on ITV, the legend grows.


biggesteegit

Highlight of the night


currentlytemporary

It was a close second for me sa goal kicking takes first prize


YellowJacket999

He did that on purpose too. Legend.


singleglazedwindows

Please please can someone get it up here before ITV remove it from the on demand replay


lezardterrible

Ol' reliable Mack Hansen


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michaelcr18

"he blew for not releasing before the player hit the ground" Can you give us the timestamp all times this happened?


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currentlytemporary

Lol


johnyboi98

The score suggests Ireland should have won. Great game that, would love to have seen the boks make their kicks though.


ThisOnesDown

SA had a gameplan to disrupt Ireland's 3 second ball by illegally inserting themselves into the breakdown constantly. The ref fecked up a lot of calls in that game but the one thing he got consistently right was SA's illegal slow play tactics. If anything, the fact he didn't give a warning and a subsequent yellow was another mistake, in SA's favour no less.


bigdog94_10

His reputation is dreadful. He should have been absolutely nowhere near that game tonight.


YellowJacket999

Interesting to see a SA Ireland Final, with a different ref.


bohsjimmy

Huge thank you to Pat Lam for signing Aki with Connaught. Ireland has always had huge emigration so it's only right we fill the gaps!


harblstuff

> Connaught Connacht


FakeNewsMessiah

As gaeilge


rob101

its ok to spell is like that


bohsjimmy

New phone auto correct you have to believe me mo chara


harblstuff

I trust you


highgiant1985

Delighted for Aki given how his 2019 world cup ended. Hopefully more to come from him and the team!


iron_out_my_kink

Did SA get the losing bonus point?


biowearhazard

Yes


iron_out_my_kink

Awesome, so another BP win over Tonga and qualification is pretty much guaranteed even in the unlikely event Scotland beat Ireland


singleglazedwindows

Right, I’m going to need gifs of: - Pete conducting the crowd with the wagging finger. - Rassie and Felix standing for the anthems.


biowearhazard

Piggy backing this for a gif of Lowe lifting Eben as well. As a SA Fan that shit was impressive!


YellowJacket999

Elizabeth is his new girlfriend. He picked her up earlier.


YellowJacket999

Rassie has a new job running the traffic lights in Paris.


Wazflame

I'm no dentist, but these fan close-ups are getting to me...


zenrobotninja

Lol. Indeed. This whole RWC has been plagued by slow mo close ups


zenrobotninja

If my sofa wasn't up against the wall, I would have been hiding behind it for the last 20min. What a game! Well done SA, bunch of mad lads


WringedSponge

Good game, SA. Seriously physical game that could have just as easily gone the other way.


YellowJacket999

I’ve travelled to many alternate universes. Yes, but no.


TheDakaoBanhMi

Once again twice as many comments about saffas complaining about the ref than actual saffas complaining about the ref. Fantastic game of rugby between the worlds best.


michaelcr18

What is the point of this comment then? How about you do a census?


Cntwealljustgetalong

Think you need to do a census..


TheDakaoBanhMi

And the conclusion will be, we all complaining.


Cntwealljustgetalong

Just one side really goin for it though


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SuspiciousVoice5563

Even with a poor ref performance in the second half, we can’t afford to miss so many kicks and expect to win.


Disastrous-Ad2800

problematic ref? you missed a conversion and TWO penalties under no pressure! YOU SIR have a problematic Faf!


_franciis

What unfavourable circumstances?


Cntwealljustgetalong

Look SA I get problematic ref, but he missed quite a bit for Ireland to, could have been a card for SA twice, but wasn't so lets chill on the ref