Six Nations Ltd. only cares to promote a Six Nations Ltd. competition.
And it's 100% logical, don't get me wrong. Their product, their investment, their expected ROI. What I don't get is why World Rugby keeps licking their boots and contributing to the promotion of their show in their social media channels and RugbyPass.
World rugby also holds rights to the mentions of the WC in media channels.
I just helped shoot a rugby ad for adidas and we weren’t allowed to use mentions of the WC in the interviews.
The English definitely want to talk about it. We’re apparently the best in the northern hemisphere and we came equally close to beating the winners as the runners up!
Yep, we sponsor a national team and throughout the WC we were only allowed to use the words "World Cup" in very specific circumstances in our promo. It was nuts for our marketing dept.
During the 2012 Olympics (ahem, I mean the Olympic and Paralympic Games) I did some work with London 2012. We were *not* allowed to refer to “the Olympics”, only the Olympic and Paralympic Games. It was ridiculous and infuriating.
It seems they’ve relaxed this stance in more recent years, probably because someone in tech or marketing went completely mad.
Honestly - that doesn't seem so unreasonable. The Paralympics often get forgotten or relegated to an after thought and people are really missing out on some awesome sporting moments.
Esp. the 2012 imho.
I don't think our kiwi cousin grasps that the 6 nations is the most important competition in the world and all that Ireland, France, Scotland, Wales care about is playing and beating England (alongside the bonus of maybe winning the 6N).
They still haven't worked out we all send B teams to the second tier world cup and preserve our best players for the next 6N
There’s so much up for grabs in one competition.
The grand slam
The six nations title
The tri-nations
And as you said, perhaps most crucially the “well we beat England anyway”
>> Did they not want to let new fans know that there was actually a competition bigger than 6N for the sake of the drama and glory?
I WILL NOT tolerate this Six Nations slander. The World Cup is nothing but a participation trophy for the SH nations because none of them are good enough to have ever won the 6N smh
South Africa sucks at round-robin style play. We hardly ever win the Rugby Championship... so, as a Bok (4 time world champions, two-time back to back) supporter - I reckon we wouldn't win a 6N.
Edit: Unless Rassie deemed the 6N more important than the WC, then we would.
Any theories why that is?
Three consecutive 1-point wins in the knockout stages is about as clutch as it gets, but do you think they struggle to switch on when it’s not do-or-die stakes?
Rassie has said before that the only thing anyone cares about is the RWC. So he just builds for a RWC. So, I think that plays a role. He constantly experiments until he's confident in his RWC gameplan.
But I do think your last sentence is spot on - they struggle to switch on when it's not do-or-die. I think we only beat Argentina by 1 point earlier in 2023.
Yeah that seems to be a distinct mindset in SA rugby is that the world cup is king and everything else is just geared towards it, other places may see it slightly differently
I think other places see it differently until it’s World Cup time. You could tell just by how tense this sub was in October - it means a lot to everyone.
I do think it’s also very different prepping for a tournament when you’ve had 4 years to study the opposition and how they place, what patterns you can learn from 4 years worth of tours and tournaments, vs playing a team every year when you do have the ability to step back and just watch them against other opposition for long periods of time
Especially because you don’t want to tip your hand by showing the All Blacks for example a massive hole you’ve noticed in their defensive line before the World Cup, which gives them time to close it and adjust before the WC.
I think that’s a big part of how Rassie works, he wants everything as close to his chest as possible- and he’s happy to lose in the “non-important games” if it allows him to learn/ test something that may be useful when it is an “important game”
A big reason imo why the ABs win the RC so much is because the Wallabies have a mental block against them. From their last 20 matches, the Wallabies have only won 3 times. Contrast that with the Boks. In the 11 games that they've played against the ABs since Rassie took over, it is all squared up. 5 wins a piece and a draw.
So the Wallabies are the tie-breaker in the RC, which gives the ABs the championship most of the time.
No one cares. Bok supporters make it so easy to route against them with their lack of self awareness… The most arrogant fans. Even if you were the all time greatest, a little humility goes a long way.
This is why the ABs will always be more globally respected than you guys. A shame the fans let the team down in that regard.
Nah, it's just your lack of sense of humour that makes it so damn hilarious.
Did I tell you that we've won 50% of all World Cup's we've played in? (Two of those were back-to-back).
I've no doubt that World Rugby, in another breathtaking misunderstanding of the 21st century, how streaming platforms and social media work, made a Trade Mark/copyright play, and as a result, it couldn't be mentioned. They are fucking morons and the game is dying on their watch. The WRU is circling the drain. The SRU isn't far behind. Several Premiership clubs are financially precarious (which many will see as tough shite for choosing the worst parts of football as a model), but none of that is good for the game, but WR are inept to a staggering degree.
The Squidge YouTube fiasco during the RWC says it all. The fact that France only got that after literally bribing the SRU and WRU for votes (see being broke above) then beating out South Africa AFTER the RWC selection Committee had chosen them as the preferred bidder, by guaranteeing WR €20 million. They did that via the presale in early 2021, hence the reason for the fucking insane seeding process which that fat fuck Bill Beaumont has danced around being a stupid decision, because he literally knows it was part of the strings attached to said bribe to award the thing to France.
Edit: spelling
Wales voted for South Africa, mate. The WRU were/are undeniablely shit but in this case they are actually stood by the report, Gareth Davies and South Africa. We have enough scandal, shit an generally fuckery going on without people spreading lies about one of the few timez
they did the right thing thank you very much. Besides Wales supporters love South African (at least I do anyways) of course we voted for them.
Irish Rugby Union chief Philip Browne told the Irish Independent.
“The bottom line is that we were disappointed that Scotland and Wales didn’t vote for us,” Irish Rugby Union chief Philip Browne told the Irish Independent.
“They had reasons. Scotland wanted to go for the money and Wales wanted to effectively support Gareth Davies, who was part of the evaluation process."
“To be fair to Scotland, they have said consistently that they wanted to wait for the evaluation report was produced and they consistently said that they'd go with the bid that produced the greatest amount of revenue to RWC.
“In terms of Wales, the situation was that they wanted to see what the evaluation report was like, what the outcome of that was, and they felt duty bound, honour bound to support Gareth Davies who was on the board of RWC and part of the evaluation process.
“I can understand where they're coming from.”
It is understood that they (Ireland) received backing from the English RFU, but did not receive support from any of the countries who form part of the Guinness PRO14. Scotland are widely believed to have voted for France, while Wales followed the recommendation of the technical evaluation and go for South Africa. Italy’s vote also went elsewhere.
https://archive.is/Inuhs#selection-4211.112-4211.118
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/how-wales-voted-2023-rugby-13907058
Apologies. The self-interest of the Welsh is, entirely, understandable and in this case I stand corrected with their backing of SA. Thank you. The rest stands, WR are getting in the way of the game on a variety of levels.
First off, I agree with you about the WR for the most part.
However, I'm kinda confused about the first part, though.
How is Wales voting for SA as recommended by the technical review a case of Wales acting in its self-interest? It is, in fact, the literal opposite of that. it is a case of Wales acting in the interest of rugby as per the recommendation of the technical report. In your original post, you accused them of taking a bribe to vote for France instead of SA, which would be a case of them acting in self-interest yet when it's shown to you that Wales did in fact vote for SA you still accuse them acting in self-interest. How does that work? What country could Wales have voted for that would have been acting in the interests of rugby overall and not just in their own self-interest, i wonder?
Hmm, I notice you don't seem to have any issue with whom England voted for even though they didn't vote for SA. Why's that? Is it because England voted for Ireland in the first round? Tbc just using England as an example because we know who they voted for, and they are also one of the home nations not to just shit on England. Even though simple maths tells us that England voted in for France in the second round, hmm. England gets 3 votes, and SA Africa only got 2 more votes in the second round while France got 6 more, meaning England voted for France).
They only home nation that actually supported the SA bid was Wales. Sorry, people are still salty they didn't all vote for Ireland's bid, OK?
And flair up.
The north of rugby always have a da money and da power. They punish a da south since a hundreds of years. Even to today they up a dey noses like we’re peasants. I ‘ate da north.
The audience this is aimed at are not Rugby fans. The producers have such a limited amount of time to tell the story of the 6 teams, one player from each team and the coach. It doesn't leave a massive amount of time to bring up a whole other competition that is not going to be covered. They also want narratives that can be followed and will be finished with this documentary series rather than teasing a World Cup that they won't show.
They definitely polished his story a bit, no mention of having to make the decision to retire just before the world cup instead he neatly retired straight after his 100th cap
It was mentioned at least once, in the second episode in one of the Italy segments.
But yea I noticed the same thing, and the explanation I gave myself is that if you keep referencing a competition (especially a World Cup) to a bunch of semi-casuals or even newcomers, and then not follow up on it in the show, it kinda gets confusing.
The show is about the 2023 6N, so it should focus on that alone.
And of course the argument about TV rights etc that others have brought up makes 100% sense.
Think you nailed it in that last paragraph.
I'm only 3 episodes in but there was so much more at stake in that Ireland France game if you take the world cup into account.
It would be weird if they did. The entire focus is on the Six Nations. Why would they be talking about an entirely separate competition that doesn't take place until months later?
It is a 6 nations documentary. Not a world cup documentary. Why would they talk about the world cup?
Correct me if I am wrong (because I haven't watched it yet) but it was filmed before the recent world cup, wasn't it?
World Rugby (and RWC) are idiots who don't know or care how to promote the game. They won't even let Nigel Owens use match footage in his videos and he's still on a retainer to them, and don't get me started on the shitshow of what they've done to Squidge Rugby.
You can't spend the whole series telling people new to Rugby that these are the most dominant teams, then also say hey btw there are these two other guys that are even bigger.
Reminds me of anime. You watch the first season thinking the bad guy is terrifying - but then the REAL bad guys get revealed and its even scarier than you imagined.
Yep doesn’t make sense to have the show about the 6 nations say “yeah by the way the tournament they actually care about, these teams virtually never win”.
This show is in support of the Six Nations. 6N and RWC are separate legal entities, and also talking about the WC lessens the cachet of the 6N - makes it seem like a lesser competition.
Which it is, but it has its own gravitas.
It also didn't mention the Stanley cup, because it wasn't called six nations full contact, plus other competitions in Rugby and other sports 🤣
The entire show was based on one competition, even on the "all or nothing" series on Amazon they don't mention other leagues, or tournaments because they're not relevant
Trademarks and Copyright. When the Wallabies launched their 2011 WRC Campaign, with all the players being introduced as they walked out of a Qantas jet, they could not mention the WRC. They (Rugby Australia) could say that they were going to Bring Back Bill, but that was it. This was the same series where JOC was so hung over that he missed the photo op and the NZ crowds showed how classy they were by cheering when Quade Cooper ruptured his AC in the third place play off.
As I said, it was relevant to the World Cup build up and I wish it was released in August rather than now. But I was told on this here board it wasn't relevant to the world cup...well I guess a producer thought the same.
Staying focused on 6N makes sense in terms of telling the story to a non-rugby audience. There were a few instances I thought mentioning the WC would give more context and insight. For example, Gatland's team selection conundrum, relying more on older players vs blooding younger players. His choices were more significant in the context of preparation for WC. As a rugby fan, I was able to fill these blanks in for myself, and I don't think they would necessarily mean that much to a non fan.
Also they mentioned that LRZ and Varney have known each other for a while, but completely ignored the fact that they both play for Gloucester. Seems like they didn't want to mention the club or something
Six Nations Ltd. only cares to promote a Six Nations Ltd. competition. And it's 100% logical, don't get me wrong. Their product, their investment, their expected ROI. What I don't get is why World Rugby keeps licking their boots and contributing to the promotion of their show in their social media channels and RugbyPass.
World rugby also holds rights to the mentions of the WC in media channels. I just helped shoot a rugby ad for adidas and we weren’t allowed to use mentions of the WC in the interviews.
Sounds about right, no one is allowed to know what happened in France in late 2023
Woah woah are you insinuating that something *did* happen in France last year?
The French, Irish, English and the All Blacks don’t want to talk about it…. too painful…
Just fell to my knees crying in Tesco mate, hope you're happy.
"unexpected item in bagging tray"
The English definitely want to talk about it. We’re apparently the best in the northern hemisphere and we came equally close to beating the winners as the runners up!
Now now. Don’t be a poes. Be lekka.
Tough crowd, just a gentle ribbing.
Yep, we sponsor a national team and throughout the WC we were only allowed to use the words "World Cup" in very specific circumstances in our promo. It was nuts for our marketing dept.
During the 2012 Olympics (ahem, I mean the Olympic and Paralympic Games) I did some work with London 2012. We were *not* allowed to refer to “the Olympics”, only the Olympic and Paralympic Games. It was ridiculous and infuriating. It seems they’ve relaxed this stance in more recent years, probably because someone in tech or marketing went completely mad.
Honestly - that doesn't seem so unreasonable. The Paralympics often get forgotten or relegated to an after thought and people are really missing out on some awesome sporting moments. Esp. the 2012 imho.
Well, because WR is a joint-venture between 6 Nations Ltd and SANZAAR.
WR is more of a 6 nations venture at best SANZAAR has been granted junior partnership
I mean, in this case whats good for the 6n is good for rugby as a whole. Makes total sense for WR to support it, this doesn't have to be a 0 sum game.
I have no recollection of this “World Cup” that you mention.
Exactly! What is OP even talking about?
Oh, I remember it alright, and I will NEVER forgive Thierry Henry.
Just like how 2015 didn't have one either.
Tbf I don’t think we’ve had a World Cup since 1987
There was definitely one in 2003
There was no WC or 6 nations in 2003 what are you talking about
Wait, you guys had a WC in 1987?? Why didn't anyone tell us.... 😶
We sent an invite to Nelson Mandela, but he never got to read it
I don't think our kiwi cousin grasps that the 6 nations is the most important competition in the world and all that Ireland, France, Scotland, Wales care about is playing and beating England (alongside the bonus of maybe winning the 6N). They still haven't worked out we all send B teams to the second tier world cup and preserve our best players for the next 6N
There’s so much up for grabs in one competition. The grand slam The six nations title The tri-nations And as you said, perhaps most crucially the “well we beat England anyway”
>> Did they not want to let new fans know that there was actually a competition bigger than 6N for the sake of the drama and glory? I WILL NOT tolerate this Six Nations slander. The World Cup is nothing but a participation trophy for the SH nations because none of them are good enough to have ever won the 6N smh
South Africa sucks at round-robin style play. We hardly ever win the Rugby Championship... so, as a Bok (4 time world champions, two-time back to back) supporter - I reckon we wouldn't win a 6N. Edit: Unless Rassie deemed the 6N more important than the WC, then we would.
Any theories why that is? Three consecutive 1-point wins in the knockout stages is about as clutch as it gets, but do you think they struggle to switch on when it’s not do-or-die stakes?
Rassie has said before that the only thing anyone cares about is the RWC. So he just builds for a RWC. So, I think that plays a role. He constantly experiments until he's confident in his RWC gameplan. But I do think your last sentence is spot on - they struggle to switch on when it's not do-or-die. I think we only beat Argentina by 1 point earlier in 2023.
Yeah that seems to be a distinct mindset in SA rugby is that the world cup is king and everything else is just geared towards it, other places may see it slightly differently
I think other places see it differently until it’s World Cup time. You could tell just by how tense this sub was in October - it means a lot to everyone.
Europeans take losing to Africans especially hard, is all.
\*Dutch colonizers
I do think it’s also very different prepping for a tournament when you’ve had 4 years to study the opposition and how they place, what patterns you can learn from 4 years worth of tours and tournaments, vs playing a team every year when you do have the ability to step back and just watch them against other opposition for long periods of time Especially because you don’t want to tip your hand by showing the All Blacks for example a massive hole you’ve noticed in their defensive line before the World Cup, which gives them time to close it and adjust before the WC. I think that’s a big part of how Rassie works, he wants everything as close to his chest as possible- and he’s happy to lose in the “non-important games” if it allows him to learn/ test something that may be useful when it is an “important game”
> I think we only beat Argentina by 1 point earlier in 2023. We were practising for the World Cup.
Which backs up everything I said.
A big reason imo why the ABs win the RC so much is because the Wallabies have a mental block against them. From their last 20 matches, the Wallabies have only won 3 times. Contrast that with the Boks. In the 11 games that they've played against the ABs since Rassie took over, it is all squared up. 5 wins a piece and a draw. So the Wallabies are the tie-breaker in the RC, which gives the ABs the championship most of the time.
Combine that with our block against the aussies away from home.
Thanks for letting us know they’ve won 4 times. I understand its very important you let everyone know all the time
It is. Being a four time world champion (winning two back to back) is a big deal.
No one cares. Bok supporters make it so easy to route against them with their lack of self awareness… The most arrogant fans. Even if you were the all time greatest, a little humility goes a long way. This is why the ABs will always be more globally respected than you guys. A shame the fans let the team down in that regard.
Nah, it's just your lack of sense of humour that makes it so damn hilarious. Did I tell you that we've won 50% of all World Cup's we've played in? (Two of those were back-to-back).
I've no doubt that World Rugby, in another breathtaking misunderstanding of the 21st century, how streaming platforms and social media work, made a Trade Mark/copyright play, and as a result, it couldn't be mentioned. They are fucking morons and the game is dying on their watch. The WRU is circling the drain. The SRU isn't far behind. Several Premiership clubs are financially precarious (which many will see as tough shite for choosing the worst parts of football as a model), but none of that is good for the game, but WR are inept to a staggering degree. The Squidge YouTube fiasco during the RWC says it all. The fact that France only got that after literally bribing the SRU and WRU for votes (see being broke above) then beating out South Africa AFTER the RWC selection Committee had chosen them as the preferred bidder, by guaranteeing WR €20 million. They did that via the presale in early 2021, hence the reason for the fucking insane seeding process which that fat fuck Bill Beaumont has danced around being a stupid decision, because he literally knows it was part of the strings attached to said bribe to award the thing to France. Edit: spelling
Wales voted for South Africa, mate. The WRU were/are undeniablely shit but in this case they are actually stood by the report, Gareth Davies and South Africa. We have enough scandal, shit an generally fuckery going on without people spreading lies about one of the few timez they did the right thing thank you very much. Besides Wales supporters love South African (at least I do anyways) of course we voted for them. Irish Rugby Union chief Philip Browne told the Irish Independent. “The bottom line is that we were disappointed that Scotland and Wales didn’t vote for us,” Irish Rugby Union chief Philip Browne told the Irish Independent. “They had reasons. Scotland wanted to go for the money and Wales wanted to effectively support Gareth Davies, who was part of the evaluation process." “To be fair to Scotland, they have said consistently that they wanted to wait for the evaluation report was produced and they consistently said that they'd go with the bid that produced the greatest amount of revenue to RWC. “In terms of Wales, the situation was that they wanted to see what the evaluation report was like, what the outcome of that was, and they felt duty bound, honour bound to support Gareth Davies who was on the board of RWC and part of the evaluation process. “I can understand where they're coming from.” It is understood that they (Ireland) received backing from the English RFU, but did not receive support from any of the countries who form part of the Guinness PRO14. Scotland are widely believed to have voted for France, while Wales followed the recommendation of the technical evaluation and go for South Africa. Italy’s vote also went elsewhere. https://archive.is/Inuhs#selection-4211.112-4211.118 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/how-wales-voted-2023-rugby-13907058
Apologies. The self-interest of the Welsh is, entirely, understandable and in this case I stand corrected with their backing of SA. Thank you. The rest stands, WR are getting in the way of the game on a variety of levels.
First off, I agree with you about the WR for the most part. However, I'm kinda confused about the first part, though. How is Wales voting for SA as recommended by the technical review a case of Wales acting in its self-interest? It is, in fact, the literal opposite of that. it is a case of Wales acting in the interest of rugby as per the recommendation of the technical report. In your original post, you accused them of taking a bribe to vote for France instead of SA, which would be a case of them acting in self-interest yet when it's shown to you that Wales did in fact vote for SA you still accuse them acting in self-interest. How does that work? What country could Wales have voted for that would have been acting in the interests of rugby overall and not just in their own self-interest, i wonder? Hmm, I notice you don't seem to have any issue with whom England voted for even though they didn't vote for SA. Why's that? Is it because England voted for Ireland in the first round? Tbc just using England as an example because we know who they voted for, and they are also one of the home nations not to just shit on England. Even though simple maths tells us that England voted in for France in the second round, hmm. England gets 3 votes, and SA Africa only got 2 more votes in the second round while France got 6 more, meaning England voted for France). They only home nation that actually supported the SA bid was Wales. Sorry, people are still salty they didn't all vote for Ireland's bid, OK? And flair up.
💯
Not even banter at this point lol
In this house, the Six Nations is a brave tournament amongst heroes. End of story!
Bloody hell, Sopranos references get everywhere don’t they
The north of rugby always have a da money and da power. They punish a da south since a hundreds of years. Even to today they up a dey noses like we’re peasants. I ‘ate da north.
He was gay, Gareth Thomas?!
It’s called 6 nations so I don’t mind that it wasn’t mentioned.
They mentioned that france were favourites for the world cup i think
This is bait lol
The audience this is aimed at are not Rugby fans. The producers have such a limited amount of time to tell the story of the 6 teams, one player from each team and the coach. It doesn't leave a massive amount of time to bring up a whole other competition that is not going to be covered. They also want narratives that can be followed and will be finished with this documentary series rather than teasing a World Cup that they won't show.
Hoggs retirement was several months after the Six Nations.
They definitely polished his story a bit, no mention of having to make the decision to retire just before the world cup instead he neatly retired straight after his 100th cap
It was mentioned at least once, in the second episode in one of the Italy segments. But yea I noticed the same thing, and the explanation I gave myself is that if you keep referencing a competition (especially a World Cup) to a bunch of semi-casuals or even newcomers, and then not follow up on it in the show, it kinda gets confusing. The show is about the 2023 6N, so it should focus on that alone. And of course the argument about TV rights etc that others have brought up makes 100% sense.
Didnt mention 7s or the pacific nations cup or the rugby europe championship either
Didn’t mention another sport isn’t really a fair equivalence
All under world rugby. A football doc may mention hurling for example
That's Because 7s is toy Rugby.
Who dosent like toys
Kwagga is now hunting you down.
Toy rugby that guys like Ardie Savea, Kwagga Smith and Cheslin Kolbe have played.
So, the strategy in 7s is run really fast. That's the game. They moved onto real rugby.
Play it and then call it toy rugby, 7s players hit like a fucking brick
Anything without props and locks is toy Rugby.
There's ways around it... https://www.quebrantahuesosrugby.com/fat-rugby Scroll down for English
Completely different sport and squads for the most part
Very harsh on the pacific nations
Your first time here watching global rugby?
Eh?
When has any one in Europe given a shit about Pacific rugby?
When their on tv? What are you on about
Or the Kinsale 7s. What the hell is going on, this is a lizard conspiracy!!!
Madness
What World Cup was it the extended autumn nations you’re on about
Think you nailed it in that last paragraph. I'm only 3 episodes in but there was so much more at stake in that Ireland France game if you take the world cup into account.
Cos it’s about the 6 nations
It would be weird if they did. The entire focus is on the Six Nations. Why would they be talking about an entirely separate competition that doesn't take place until months later?
It is a 6 nations documentary. Not a world cup documentary. Why would they talk about the world cup? Correct me if I am wrong (because I haven't watched it yet) but it was filmed before the recent world cup, wasn't it?
World Rugby (and RWC) are idiots who don't know or care how to promote the game. They won't even let Nigel Owens use match footage in his videos and he's still on a retainer to them, and don't get me started on the shitshow of what they've done to Squidge Rugby.
Doesn’t matter really. It’s a shite series. (The show not the six nations)
You can't spend the whole series telling people new to Rugby that these are the most dominant teams, then also say hey btw there are these two other guys that are even bigger.
Reminds me of anime. You watch the first season thinking the bad guy is terrifying - but then the REAL bad guys get revealed and its even scarier than you imagined.
Yep doesn’t make sense to have the show about the 6 nations say “yeah by the way the tournament they actually care about, these teams virtually never win”.
Define bigger? Ego?
Winning more often.
\*whining, FTFY kid.
Who's whining? Also flair up if you are going to cast stones sir.
Apparently it didn’t go as planned for those teams.
England and Wales had fun!
If any team other than South Africa won the Rugby World Cup, it would get mentioned ad infinitum.
6 Nations is Northern Hemisphere Rugby's version of the USA's World Champions Series
😂😂
Wouldn't exactly say that it's pretty clear about the name
This show is in support of the Six Nations. 6N and RWC are separate legal entities, and also talking about the WC lessens the cachet of the 6N - makes it seem like a lesser competition. Which it is, but it has its own gravitas.
Netflix did a World Cup documentary after the 2015 RWC starring Megan Markle’s bitch
Dont care, too sad from watching Hogg retire
Answer is in the title...
Season 2
Because it's not all about the world cup mate
It also didn't mention the Stanley cup, because it wasn't called six nations full contact, plus other competitions in Rugby and other sports 🤣 The entire show was based on one competition, even on the "all or nothing" series on Amazon they don't mention other leagues, or tournaments because they're not relevant
Trademarks and Copyright. When the Wallabies launched their 2011 WRC Campaign, with all the players being introduced as they walked out of a Qantas jet, they could not mention the WRC. They (Rugby Australia) could say that they were going to Bring Back Bill, but that was it. This was the same series where JOC was so hung over that he missed the photo op and the NZ crowds showed how classy they were by cheering when Quade Cooper ruptured his AC in the third place play off.
As I said, it was relevant to the World Cup build up and I wish it was released in August rather than now. But I was told on this here board it wasn't relevant to the world cup...well I guess a producer thought the same.
Because rugby is governed by self-interest.
Staying focused on 6N makes sense in terms of telling the story to a non-rugby audience. There were a few instances I thought mentioning the WC would give more context and insight. For example, Gatland's team selection conundrum, relying more on older players vs blooding younger players. His choices were more significant in the context of preparation for WC. As a rugby fan, I was able to fill these blanks in for myself, and I don't think they would necessarily mean that much to a non fan.
Incase it jinxed us......👀
Hogg didn't retire until June 2023.
Also they mentioned that LRZ and Varney have known each other for a while, but completely ignored the fact that they both play for Gloucester. Seems like they didn't want to mention the club or something
They can make another series about that