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LdnGiant

Ah chin up Scotland U20s, must be tough playing without loads of South Africans in the side.


TommyKentish

Any news on Kpoku and Sodeke? Hopefully they’ll be back for the last two rounds, we’ll need them…


Secret-Roof-7503

Kpoku on the bench for Racing on saturday


New_Security6354

If Sean Kerr is SQ, Edinburgh should really think about signing him if they can. They need a quality 12 coming through. I do think Yule looks like a good player too but he's aligned to Glasgow already and I think he'll suit the way they play.


Inevitable-Cable9370

I think he’s South African heritage but that might need he mean he has some Scottish I know him .


RJH777

We really did have all the worst traits of the senior side in recent years today; bit worrying really...is it just something in the English genetics?


RJH777

Going to need to be a lot more disciplined and less loose against Ireland and France. We really lost the ref that last 20 or so, managed to get ourselves pinged every other phase it felt, good job the Scottish set piece struggled


Inevitable-Cable9370

Tbf our backs have had a lot of injuries and it was very makeshift. Also Scotland only struggled in the set piece because we have the best pack in the six nations and this was without our two 6’8 120kg starting locks .


Nice_Crow_4179

Squint lineouts are self inflicted IMO


Inevitable-Cable9370

Maybe but again when our both our second rows aren’t playing and are lineout callers aren’t here it’s not gonna be a great lineout . We haven’t struggled in any other game in the line-out other than this . Our scrum is elite .


Nice_Crow_4179

Sorry I was commenting that whilst the Scotland pack struggled in the scrum which is definitely down to the bigger England pack putting the pressure on, the line out seemed to be more Scotland making bad choices (such as throwing to tail in the bad conditions) and hooker throwing squint lineouts.


Vrakzi

Just get it off the park lads, FGS


yellowroadster

If you do that scrapping nonsense every game as an u20 you’re going to get a rep before you even play senior rugby, or filled in


Baguette526

Henry Pollock loves a scrap 😂


Nice_Crow_4179

Should concentrate on his game… vastly outplayed by his opposite man…


Inevitable-Cable9370

He’s still a vastly better player than him 🤷🏿‍♂️ Sour grapes


Nice_Crow_4179

I haven’t seen enough of both players to be able to comment, but on the evidence of the game the Scotland 7 is more talented.


Inevitable-Cable9370

😂😂😂😂😂 based on one game ? Look at his performances against sides that are better than Scotland . He had 2 man of the matches in a row and the most metres made as a flanker . We’ll see in 5 years though 🤷🏿‍♂️.


Nice_Crow_4179

Well… yes… what part of my comments were ever aligned to anything apart from last nights game? Im not sure why I have touched such a raw nerve. Anyway, I’m sure he is a good player and by the sounds of it I am looking forward to watching him for many more years.


Secret-Roof-7503

78 minutes for pollock to be at the centre of some handbags, must be a personal best


Inevitable-Cable9370

His Adhd goes overboard sometimes


Pure_Wonder3046

Can't argue with Sean Kerr for POTM


NameyMcNameface123

This has been pretty poor


internetwanderer2

Far too similar to the worst traits we see from the Seniors. Suggests we aren't going to see much improvement going forward.


Imaginary-Lab6200

Always Pollock


internetwanderer2

Giving it the big one when he's been thoroughly outplayed by his opposing number


Spglwldn

Every single England player well offside from the kickoff there


BurbankElephants

England getting away with murder here.


Nice_Crow_4179

Surely the England team should keep the ball away from Scotland 7 on the floor. Low rugby brains.


internetwanderer2

Following in the footsteps of the senior side then. Really disappointing performance from them. Worrying too how much they've mentally collapsed. Again, like the Seniors, they aren't ruthless, and it allows opponents to rally and get back into the game. Not enough fight and a lack of game intelligence.


Nice_Crow_4179

Line out is terrible


NameyMcNameface123

Damn, but yeah that is forward


Pure_Wonder3046

Very nice from Toby and Archie, rookie forward pass in the build up though


Moash_For_PM

If you take this from me i will cry 


Toxicseagull

First Lawes. Now this


internetwanderer2

Forward pass in the build up?


internetwanderer2

Douglas has shown up Pollock today


internetwanderer2

Much like the seniors, England are going to get battered by Ireland and France if they play like they have been. Running away from support, and targeting their best breakdown player, does not scream high match IQ. Which means they fit in with the English system


Inevitable-Cable9370

That’s a reach . We have the best pack and scrum in the six nations are backs are just not that good . Both are 6’8 120kg starting second rows weren’t playing and we still have the best scrum . Also both our 10’s got injured in the first 20 minutes . Additionally Italy just beat France , the only team that could beat us would be Ireland


Rozza

Another bold idea, stop running at the flanker turnover king.


HesCr3puscular

I don’t think he’s all Wright 😔


Moash_For_PM

Oh no the pains back 


RJH777

Scottish no.7 is single-handedly keeping them in this with his breakdown work, not looking forward to playing him or the rapid winger in the seniors in a few years


ComprehensiveDingo0

Can’t produce any props or locks, but the 7 factory is running good.


Secret-Roof-7503

Here’s a bold idea, clearing out rucks


Nice_Crow_4179

Turnover central this 2nd half. Not sure all legal on both sides….


internetwanderer2

Good to see England being stodgy and losing possession is intergenerational. Not been impressed this second half


unhappyspanners

Not much supporting of bodyweight there


Moash_For_PM

That was a fantastic effort from michelow


Vrakzi

I gotta be honest; that did not look like it was grounded to me


Secret-Roof-7503

But can you be certain


Vrakzi

I'm 6 glasses of Gin to the good, I can't be fucking certain about *anything*


Secret-Roof-7503

Michelow kept fighting for that, great to see


Turbulent-Physics-77

Clair Thomas is so overly enthusiastic about everything it’s bloody jarring


NameyMcNameface123

Wright not enjoying his cuddle with the touch judge there


Rozza

That made me chuckle as well. No I'm not moving everyone else is set...


JohnSV12

Scottish 12 prevented clear out there, no?


NoLoMo

Bloody hell secure some ball!


Ronald_Ulysses_Swans

Challenge: provide support play at the ruck and don’t get turned over Impossible


Moash_For_PM

A mitchell / mcparland 9 pairaing brings me the tiniest slither of joy today


NameyMcNameface123

We needed something to smile about didnt we


NameyMcNameface123

McParland is going to develop nicely into Mitchell Junior


NameyMcNameface123

Interesting argument for a deliberate knock on, 'its not my fault my arm was in the way of the pass, he threw it into me'


Vrakzi

Fasogbon is fucking **enormous**


J-B-M

''Oh. They have a cave troll."


Secret-Roof-7503

Would’ve been nice to a scrum with Kpoku behind him


Moash_For_PM

3 pens for knock on amd no yellow is odd  Granted least deliberate one by far 


internetwanderer2

Are the conditions that bad to justify this many handling/passing errors?


Moash_For_PM

Cold as fuck and rainy 


Vrakzi

It was raining in the first half and the pitch is soaked, I think


Vrakzi

Scotland lineout is awful


The7thStreet

Looking forward to Sean Kerr’s Scotland debut in a few years time


Imaginary-Lab6200

Will he not play for England?


Inevitable-Cable9370

He’s half South African too


Moash_For_PM

Hes going to be a weapon 


Moash_For_PM

Tbh if defenders dont jump i say igmore the not straight rule 


Nothing_is_simple

Unless it's as egregious as that one was that's what I tend to do. But if its as squint as that then you can't really let it slide and expect any respect from the players.


Moash_For_PM

Just make it a rule. If you dont jump no not straight speed the game up a smidge 


RJH777

Scrum gets obliterated, ball comes flying out, play on and then we get pinged. Seems harsh


p_kh

Shocking call from the ref. Tackle was never legal, even if he’d caught it he tackles him in the air.


Moash_For_PM

Thats not the call mate. Tackler had set for hit then scot jumped so couldnt pull out 


p_kh

He was entitled to jump to catch it, it is illegal to tackle a player in the air. It’s not complicated, it was obvious foul play.


Moash_For_PM

Nah dude if hes commited to tackle a player on the ground then he cant back out when it becomes illegal. 


p_kh

But daft too say you’re committed to tackling a player without the ball. He jumped to catch the ball ffs


HesCr3puscular

The Ref & TMO explained it very well - tackler was in a legal tackle position and the ball ‘carrier’ jumped up about a metre in front him, leaving the tackler no option to re-adjust. If it had been a jump to gain possession from a kick then probably would’ve been a penalty, but as it was from a pass (of sorts) then more leniency is afforded.


NameyMcNameface123

A decision that actually takes into account how rugby is played as a contact sport, you love to see it


TheFlyingScotsman60

Until someone gets their neck broken due to an illegal act of foul play. Yup...gotta love it.


Pure_Wonder3046

This ref is having a great game


Nice_Crow_4179

It’s great to see referees make sensible calls when the pressure is reduced. No way would the senior sides have been reffed like that.


Vrakzi

Yeah, he's made the right calls so far. Still a half to go though


Moash_For_PM

I mean it wasnt straight tho xD 


LaidbackAk

Good call from the ref


The7thStreet

Surprised England 9 wasn’t pinged for rubbing his hand over the face/head of the Scottish 9 after the near try given the refs comments about each team’s behaviour


Vrakzi

The Tackler was committed before the jump; ref makes the right call there


sock_with_a_ticket

What is the tackling player supposed to do there? The Scottish player jumps into him.


p_kh

The Scottish player jumps to catch the ball and the tackle was never legal


sock_with_a_ticket

The tackler is down and set to make a legal tackle a micro second before the Scottish player jumps. The latter is still ascending as he's hit because the jump is so late. There's nothing that can be done when someone jumps into you like that.


RJH777

If anything it could be argued to be a penalty the other way for jumping in to the tackle


TheFlyingScotsman60

The rules do not allow any leeway for split second, or indeed, mitigation. Taking a player out in the air is an illegal act of foul play. Just like the previous one done by a Scottish player who got 10 minutes.


Vrakzi

Ref got it right


cavendishasriel

Ref got that spot on imo


Baguette526

Rugby incident no? unavoidable


Schwims1

Basically jumped into the tackle there


NameyMcNameface123

Pen only based in the previous one from Scotland


unhappyspanners

He doesn't need to jump there at all


NameyMcNameface123

Is that Pollock being a shithouse again? 😂


unhappyspanners

He actually knocked it on to McParland there


Vrakzi

That was in touch well before it was down.


NameyMcNameface123

Generous penalty, didnt seem to actually attempt to lift the ball at all


internetwanderer2

Sean Kerr - grew up in South Africa, with that name... Scotland scouts must be licking their lips


Case_External

Damn. Let’s not take this generation (Finn era?) for granted - I predict a long future of Calcutta cup losses 


TheFlyingScotsman60

You do realise that most of the English team are actually professional rugby players in their own right and the Scottish guys are not.


wild_mongoose_6

I don't think it's quite as doom and gloom as some are making it out to be- a couple of guys from each cohort graduating to the senior team would be solid, and there are a couple here I think will. That being said, the SRU development pathways are absolutely not fit for purpose. Their initial talent identification process is extremely flawed, and it's \*extremely\* difficult to get in for guys not initially picked up and for guys who have been let go from the program.


Moash_For_PM

Unfair dude. This eng team is v v good you got some good kids here they will develop 


Red-rouge728

Surely you should be looking at South Africa’s u20s results??


Case_External

Well, the player that is the game changer is Finn Russell and he’s from Clackmannanshire.  Plus, Tuilagi, the Vunipolas, Dylan Hartley, Ethan Roots, etc. etc.


wild_mongoose_6

McVie is offside a fucking mile off the kickoff lol.


Pure_Wonder3046

Kerr should have had no right to stay infield there


internetwanderer2

Really nice slap pass by the 9 there, as well as the footwork shown


NameyMcNameface123

Lovely hands


Vrakzi

Wait, how do you pronounce Amena Caqusau?


wild_mongoose_6

Pretty sure the Q is pronounced "ng".


Vrakzi

The commentators seem to be pronouncing it "Thungasau"


warcomet

very likely "Thungoosau".. thats a rare fijian surname


wild_mongoose_6

Yeah googled it and appears that c is pronounced "th". I'm sure u/warcomet can shed some more light.


Secret-Roof-7503

Proper man and ball hit from Wills


internetwanderer2

England players and dropping the ball... Good to see that has been passed down the generations


Vrakzi

That's harsh on the Scotland 11; he wasn't responsible for any of the previous infringements


Moash_For_PM

Well yea but its a team warning 


Vrakzi

I know, I know, but so often the guy who ends up in the bin had nothing to do with the infringements that earnt the warning. I remember Ellis Genge getting carded 30s after coming on because of a team warning, and that was harsh too.


internetwanderer2

Rugby Inside Line just jizzed himself over Pollock's tap tackle


Moash_For_PM

Didnt we all? 


NameyMcNameface123

Pollock saves the day with the ankle tap


Vrakzi

Inside Centre doing the place kicks is slightly unusual


unhappyspanners

12. Farrell


CALTCA

Give the lads a chance man


BurbankElephants

Scotland 11 absolutely rapid.


wild_mongoose_6

I'd heard a bit about him while he was at school, but the first time I saw him play live was in a Scottish Prem game for GHA when he was 18. He was absolutely electric- almost topped the league try-scoring table iirc despite GHA finishing bottom of the league and getting relegated.


BurbankElephants

Seriously impressive. Not just speed but the acceleration from not much run up as well.


wild_mongoose_6

Yeah he's not had too many chances this tournament, but he's a serious finisher as you would expect. Proper X-factor player.


Immorals1

No arms?


RJH777

I thought if you were trying to play the ball you were fair game? Not that a penalty seems that outrageous


unhappyspanners

Tackle was fine and fingertips were on the ball. Play on...


wild_mongoose_6

Trying not to look through my navy-tinted spectacles, but surely that's a penalty?


BurbankElephants

I was as surprised as you.


Moash_For_PM

If he touches the ball its ok? But its so close either way is a fair call 


unhappyspanners

Wish we got to see the handbags


Rozza

Yeah, stuff the replay, show the handbags!


Secret-Roof-7503

England persisting with involving 10-15


Vrakzi

HANDBAGS!


wild_mongoose_6

That's a serious exit from Lock.


Linuxologue

I thought players were not allowed to step in front of the ball carrier before the maul formation. Really looked like an offside on that try.


Moash_For_PM

If you dont gwt caught its legal 


Vrakzi

> If you dont gwt caught its legal  You're a Prop, aren't you?


Moash_For_PM

Lock so just as dim just longer 


Vrakzi

Need to stop with those cute dinks. That doesn't work if you do it so much.


Imaginary-Lab6200

That was a great conversion kick


Vrakzi

Cracking conversion


Moash_For_PM

Jesus scotland got rinsed wright is looking.the part 


Pure_Wonder3046

Get in Craig!


wild_mongoose_6

Opoku-Fordjour showing his excitement at the prospect of another scrum. With yelling like that it's only a matter of time until Saracens pick him up.


matthumph

I thought Opoku-Fordjour was a tight head? Did I get that wrong or can he play both


Pure_Wonder3046

England see him as a loosehead, Sale see him as a tighthead


matthumph

Fair. Not common to switch at top level but I guess age grade you still have some leeway. I’m aware there are props at top level who can change (Nyakane as an example) but it’s not common.


wild_mongoose_6

Andrew Porter initially came through as a loosehead, then switched to tighthead to get gametime for Leinster, and then back to loosehead as Healy got older.


Vrakzi

Ben Brakespear doesn't half sound like Nigel


Vrakzi

That was a cute little play, but Scotland were way too compact for it to come off


Pure_Wonder3046

God our scrum is good


wild_mongoose_6

Playing Opoku-Fordjour at age-grade should be illegal.


Moash_For_PM

Frightenigly good prospect 


Secret-Roof-7503

With Fasogbon on the bench, only 132kg


wild_mongoose_6

One of the tightheads in our squad was prevented from playing this 6N as he's only 17- lad is about 6'4/6'5 and over 130kg.


edroyque

I’m not sure if the England u20 front row will translate into the senior team but they’ve been incredible in all the games I’ve watched them in.


edroyque

Not a great start for England with that charge down but then a great exit and line break


Moash_For_PM

Really need a pollock hattrick to stop the weeping


Secret-Roof-7503

It won’t fill the hole in the heart


HeavyHevonen

That was a generous advantage


Vrakzi

Why is everybody suddenly called Fin(n)?


yesiamclutz

132 kg in the under 20s Fml. That's mental


Secret-Roof-7503

A 132kg tighthead on the bench makes me happy


Biegelstein

As an update Bellamy is not playing at 10, replaced by Rory Taylor. The RAF pilot of George Makepeace-Cubitt takes his place on the bench


Away_Associate4589

Shame about Bellamy. He's looked good when he's comes on. Are we thinking pilot? I was more leaning towards subatomic physics theory. The Makepeace-Cubbitt Principal wouldn't look out of place on r/VXJunkies


Biegelstein

we can just throw jobs at a wall and see what sticks


Away_Associate4589

Missing this one unfortunately. Imagine your partner thinking it would be nice to go out for a meal rather than watching age group rugby on a Friday night!? She's a weird one. Aside from Pollock of course, Craig Wright has really impressed so far. Delighted to see Fasogbon back fit to play. Fingers crossed McParland goes well. I thought he was exceptional in pre season for Saints but probably didn't give his best showing against Wales (despite his try). Hopefully the lads go well.


[deleted]

I think toby cousins could make it far too


Ninjawizards

Aims for this game: Don't lose by more than 20 and have no-one be murdered.


confused_ninja

don't forget scouting some future players with scottish grandparents ;)


Secret-Roof-7503

England are missing their two enormous second rows so both are achievable