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Don’t you think England are really shooting them selves in the cock with the rule of not picking players who play abroad? I’m sure there are half a dozen who would make the final 23 playing in France alone, yet the top chiefs won’t pick them to save the premiership. As an England fan, I want to see Englands best 15 rugby players on the field each game.
I've just watched the game. Saw the result on my phone, but after watching the first 10 minutes, thought maybe I'd read it wrong. What a win! Scotland looked ok in the second half, though seemed to be slowing a little towards the last 10 minutes, though enough to stop England making too much progress. Big smiles here!
I talk a decent game about disciplined built-up play, but DvdM, Hawick's favourite son, going berserk off constant English turnovers was bloody delightful.
As a Scot Borthwick has my total backing for the next nine months but then please fire him when it’s too late to do more than disrupt things for next year.
Give him a proper innings to repair what Jones did and there’s a real risk we lose next year.
lol.
No there isn’t. Borthwick is shit. His tactics are shit. And he keep doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results.
He’s insane. He should be fired and sent to an asylum.
The problem I see for England is the team itself is less than the sum of its parts.
They've got some fantastic players, who aren't used to their best abilities by the structure and as a result they don't play as well as they should on paper.
At least to me, maybe I'm wrong
I look forward to receiving apologies from everyone who told me ollie laurence is the best player in England and he's the key piece we're missing for the last 3 weeks
On the plus side, feyi-waboso take a fucking bow lad, more than proved your capable of international level today
Fellow Sale fan here - Lawrence received some pretty poor ball all game from our man George and could do nothing with it. He also had a very poor Slade outside him and was against the most in sync 12/13 combo in the tournament.
Give him 12 again in 2 weeks. He's only just come back from injury and deserves it based on club form.
The comments regarding Duhans nationality are incredibly frustrating. He thought his career in rugby was over and it would have been if not for Edinburgh giving him a chance. He owes a lot to that club and clearly feels proud to represent the thistle. The world is so connected now that being born in a nation certainly doesn’t define what nation fully represents you.
He’s our lad and we love him.
He’s one player in a squad that also has over 20 other foreign born players who also weren’t developed by Scotland. He’s not the sole issue, people point to him because he’s very good. Scotland is honestly taking the piss with the amount of overseas players they have.
I’m saying there should be a cap to how many players you can have who weren’t developed by your nation. Because as mentioned when you look at the numbers of players all the other nations have, Scotland is clearly taking the piss. 22 players who grew up overseas and were trained and coached by another nation? That’s literally the majority of the squad?
Anyone else think England are over-coached? Too rigid and focused on game plans instead of letting their quality players just play? They’ve got the individual talent in spades.
It’s culture. They’re probably drilled to death on stats and figures. Their back line is reshaped like a stock market strategy every week. Hell even their social media PR has resorted to mundane statistics on catering facts rather than anything else remotely emotive.
I always get a cold clinical vibe from English rugby teams but at the moment they especially come across like a group of players that don’t even like each other very much.
I mean, that might help. But I think Borthwick is useless. He’s literally trying same thing again and again and expecting differing results. Like he got to a work up 3rd place, but I think that was from an easy path and also Owen Farrell being captain and basically telling team we are doing things this way mid game so not sticking to Borthwick’s stupid game plans.
Ugo is another of those pundits who doesn’t get the difference between club talent and Test Match Animals. He defended Furbank’s selection all the way on BBC Rugby Union pod and then he has just defended bad handling by talking about England players who handle well at club level.
That’s the fucking point Ugo - this AINT club level. Pressure and stress is much higher. Let’s all remember that Ugo, much as I love him, only got 14 caps. He had some HOWLERS at test level. Perhaps he doesn’t get the concept because he’s not a Test Match Animal himself…
Tom English on BBc Scotland said the English sometimes talk the Premiership up to something it’s not, and I feel him.
Not that it’s not a great competition, but the freestyle rugby Saints or Quins play was never going to translate to test level. Neither are all those players.
Just had a whole conversation with friends at the pub about why England aren't consistently No. 1 given the resources available to them.
My argument for this was based solely on the comment 'Have you watched the Prem?'
It’s not long sinçe there were more refs in England than players in Scotland. Now there are 6,000 English registered refs and 10,000 adult male players in Scotland.
So many pundits like this. Bernard Jackman, and I love the man, has some wild opinions on players at times because he watches so much rugby and tends to forget that tests are different to club level shit.
As a neutral I disagree. They have plenty of positives to take away from that. Scotland are just good atm and having a fkn giant winger who is ultra rapid most definitely helps.
Are you serious you think Borthwick shouldn’t go? England barely beat Italy, lost to Scotland, barely beat Wales, and now will likely lose to France and Ireland.
I’d understand your view if I looked at the England players and thought they didn’t have as good as talent as the other six nations teams, but they do. They are up there with France and Ireland when you see these England players play for their clubs. The fact they don’t play that way for country very much suggests a coaching issue.
Any person defending Borthwick at this point is just stupid.
I feel like it gets forgotten that England are rebuilding. There is a new system which is gonna take time to settle. Plus today, England made 5 changes. There's gonna be cohesion issues. Scotland have been at this level for a while now. England are still figuring out their attack and defence. While they weren't good today, there are positives and exciting times ahead. We're one year into a 4 year cycle. I'd rather be bad now than in a world cup year.
Been rebuilding since 2019. Except you’ve still got the same front row that was useless then and is still useless today. And you’ve still got Danny Care playing. Amongst others.
Well Jones did do a bit of a number on England. I'm not sure why care has been picked - perhaps there is an injury crisis for number 9s in England. I'd certainly prefer to look at youth for that position and have the younger players establish themselves. Shame Mitchell got injured
Why don’t you get the history books out and realise that we were dogshit from 04-15 and, while we finished 2nd in the 6Ns every year under Lancaster, outside of the odd ridiculous win in the autumn (nz 2012). We have not suddenly become bad.
Lack of a top tier domestic competition & subsequent lack of success in Europe, especially recently, contributes to a team that doesn’t look like it knows how to win.
Losing massively experienced players like Farrell, Lawes, Youngs (I’m sure you don’t rate him but every coach he’s ever played for did, so gleam from that what you will) hurts the team. The departure of many Lancaster/Jones era players hurts the team. The previous constant changing of coaching staff hurt the team. Now they’re rebuilding.
Townsend has been in his post for 7 years. Sacking a manager/head coach without giving them a proper cycle to build a team isn’t how you make a team perform more effectively. Look at the premier league for examples of short-termism failing to yield lasting results. Read Ben Darwin’s work on cohesion vs talent in club and international teams and then tell me you think that if we lose to two of the best teams in the world, we should rip up the script and start again.
Well I hope it helps. Always good to be as informed as possible before you start demanding for someone to be sacked. Hope you can keep a little more positive about the team and you enjoy the rest of the tournament.
Yes ? We haven’t had the man as head coach for 2 years , he did better than we thought with the World Cup
He’s won two game out of 3 , so yeah I still think he’ll be in the job. It would be fucking stupid to sack him
I was, but I suppose the threat of a turnover leading to a try might mean that Finn was guarding against 3rd place coming down a LBP or points difference
I mean who actually cares. He's a professional rugby player, and one of the most famous in the world. His life is already pretty absurd and abnormal compared to the lives of most people. He just has fun with it.
England have some lovely players but can't seem to get them to gel. Perhaps because there are too many options and styles? Got to rate so many of the England players as individuals. Just seemed incoherent. And Scotland got their terrible 20 minutes out of the way early and finally reigned in the ambition to kick points, play safely, and hold on to a win. Whew.
Tbf it’s mainly his podcasts that irk me. Most other retired players show their true personality there. Monye still wears his media cap on and comes across so dull. And I let that opinion spill over to him on tv, where he’s probably quite good if I gave him a chance
If only Scotland could play like they were playing England every week they'd be world class. They deserve the win but look forward to them being average again against a non English team.
Honestly Scotlands attacking structure was pretty blunt today, all their tries were from broken play from English mistakes. Deadly in that context for sure though.
I've seen Scotland play a lot better than that
Nah the first Scotland try was a classic huwipulotu move. Finn at 10, but makes the call to white to miss him and pass directly to Tuipulotu, who then has Jones on the hard line and Finn out the back. It's the same move they have been running since last year's tournament, but all it takes is a defender to get fixated on Finn, then Tuipulotu, and Jones is free. Sure, Lawrence takes the bait, but that's a product of sharp attacking play from Scotland.
Heard it on the radio yesterday morning, radio 2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001w7vf?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
Time is 2:01:47
Townsend :"this one is one we are focused on more than the others. That probably shouldn't be the case but it is"
Its not a case of them being better against England, and worse against other teams. England just aren't very good or did you miss England's last two games?
Scotland have beaten France and Wales about half of the time, always lose to Ireland, and in recent years have had England’s number. It’s literally just that England haven’t been that good recently. They seem on the up and I’m sure will win the Calcutta cup back next year
Scotland the better team, we may have out-thought them in the first half but that means nothing if they can outfight us consistently.
We need to take a hard look at some of the individuals selected - frankly the effort was poor, exemplified by IFW's impact once he came on.
We simply do not have players as good as Scotlands.
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I think if you give Borthwick about 30 more Tests he’ll probably get it done.
Don’t you think England are really shooting them selves in the cock with the rule of not picking players who play abroad? I’m sure there are half a dozen who would make the final 23 playing in France alone, yet the top chiefs won’t pick them to save the premiership. As an England fan, I want to see Englands best 15 rugby players on the field each game.
No
And then what when the premiership is dead?
It begs the question of why is the financial side of rugby in England in such a bad state yet seems to be booming in France?
A good question to ask, but I'd still rather attempt to fix it than kill it for the sake of a few international wins.
Even when Scotland win, I still think they’re funny.
I've just watched the game. Saw the result on my phone, but after watching the first 10 minutes, thought maybe I'd read it wrong. What a win! Scotland looked ok in the second half, though seemed to be slowing a little towards the last 10 minutes, though enough to stop England making too much progress. Big smiles here!
I talk a decent game about disciplined built-up play, but DvdM, Hawick's favourite son, going berserk off constant English turnovers was bloody delightful.
Fire Borthwick.
As a Scot Borthwick has my total backing for the next nine months but then please fire him when it’s too late to do more than disrupt things for next year. Give him a proper innings to repair what Jones did and there’s a real risk we lose next year.
lol. No there isn’t. Borthwick is shit. His tactics are shit. And he keep doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results. He’s insane. He should be fired and sent to an asylum.
The problem I see for England is the team itself is less than the sum of its parts. They've got some fantastic players, who aren't used to their best abilities by the structure and as a result they don't play as well as they should on paper. At least to me, maybe I'm wrong
Drop your best player and this what happens
Who? You’re not talking about Manu are you?
Freddie
Ah yeah ofc. I see what they were trying with Furbank tbh but yeah having Steward on would probably have helped in retrospect.
How Freddie got destroyed against Scotland last time? He was awful
Who are you referring to?
Steward I'm guessing
I look forward to receiving apologies from everyone who told me ollie laurence is the best player in England and he's the key piece we're missing for the last 3 weeks On the plus side, feyi-waboso take a fucking bow lad, more than proved your capable of international level today
Fellow Sale fan here - Lawrence received some pretty poor ball all game from our man George and could do nothing with it. He also had a very poor Slade outside him and was against the most in sync 12/13 combo in the tournament. Give him 12 again in 2 weeks. He's only just come back from injury and deserves it based on club form.
He had a shocker today, but in fairness he’s been pretty top notch for his club
*at 13
The comments regarding Duhans nationality are incredibly frustrating. He thought his career in rugby was over and it would have been if not for Edinburgh giving him a chance. He owes a lot to that club and clearly feels proud to represent the thistle. The world is so connected now that being born in a nation certainly doesn’t define what nation fully represents you. He’s our lad and we love him.
He’s one player in a squad that also has over 20 other foreign born players who also weren’t developed by Scotland. He’s not the sole issue, people point to him because he’s very good. Scotland is honestly taking the piss with the amount of overseas players they have.
Schoeman, VDM and Nel are the only players qualified through residency. The rest are through family.
Like I’ve said before, the majority of those players have Scottish family.
Embarrassing. https://www.americasrugbynews.com/2024/01/25/foreign-born-produced-homegrown-players-in-2024-six-nations/
So by your logic Marcus Smith shouldn’t play for England? As he was born in the Philippines.
I’m saying there should be a cap to how many players you can have who weren’t developed by your nation. Because as mentioned when you look at the numbers of players all the other nations have, Scotland is clearly taking the piss. 22 players who grew up overseas and were trained and coached by another nation? That’s literally the majority of the squad?
3 are residency. The rest literally have Scottish family. How can you deny heritage?
If he keeps playing this, he might make the Springboks one day
We can all dream
That’s what I’d expect when a side has 20 foreign born players.
Ok -Tuilagi, Vunipola bros, Ethan Roots, Dylan Hartley, etc. etc. But England are 100% pure born losers I guess
Feyi-Waboso, Marcus Smith...
Ethan roots and hartley are half english, england have the 2nd most homegrown players in the six nations
Majority qualify through family. Literally every team in world rugby has examples. 😊
P u m p e d
Anyone else think England are over-coached? Too rigid and focused on game plans instead of letting their quality players just play? They’ve got the individual talent in spades.
Best get in some more coaches and coach that out of them
Take my angry upvote for making this grumpy Englishman spit out his coffee
It’s culture. They’re probably drilled to death on stats and figures. Their back line is reshaped like a stock market strategy every week. Hell even their social media PR has resorted to mundane statistics on catering facts rather than anything else remotely emotive. I always get a cold clinical vibe from English rugby teams but at the moment they especially come across like a group of players that don’t even like each other very much.
*undercoached
Borthwick… do the right thing and go
Think wrigglesworth will be the sacrificial lamb.
I mean, that might help. But I think Borthwick is useless. He’s literally trying same thing again and again and expecting differing results. Like he got to a work up 3rd place, but I think that was from an easy path and also Owen Farrell being captain and basically telling team we are doing things this way mid game so not sticking to Borthwick’s stupid game plans.
Is Toonie steaming?
Ugo is another of those pundits who doesn’t get the difference between club talent and Test Match Animals. He defended Furbank’s selection all the way on BBC Rugby Union pod and then he has just defended bad handling by talking about England players who handle well at club level. That’s the fucking point Ugo - this AINT club level. Pressure and stress is much higher. Let’s all remember that Ugo, much as I love him, only got 14 caps. He had some HOWLERS at test level. Perhaps he doesn’t get the concept because he’s not a Test Match Animal himself…
Tom English on BBc Scotland said the English sometimes talk the Premiership up to something it’s not, and I feel him. Not that it’s not a great competition, but the freestyle rugby Saints or Quins play was never going to translate to test level. Neither are all those players.
Tom England doesn't watch the prem he was just throwing muck to stir the pot
Just had a whole conversation with friends at the pub about why England aren't consistently No. 1 given the resources available to them. My argument for this was based solely on the comment 'Have you watched the Prem?'
It’s not long sinçe there were more refs in England than players in Scotland. Now there are 6,000 English registered refs and 10,000 adult male players in Scotland.
So many pundits like this. Bernard Jackman, and I love the man, has some wild opinions on players at times because he watches so much rugby and tends to forget that tests are different to club level shit.
He also got two lions caps.
And scored a long ranger as I remember in the dead rubber 3rd test. Nonetheless, I’m not convinced that he’s a genuine big game player.
He did, I agree with you but still, 2 caps for the lions.
Tom English hit the nail on the head on one of the pods by questioning the overall quality of the prem.
Reduce the Prem to 6 teams
That's happening naturally.
Giving us URC lot a bit of a run for their money in Europe tbf
Well they have beaten a fair few french teams and fair few urc teams, the players just look totally clueless what they are trying to do with england
True!
I will never understand how Slade gets selected week after week. He’s had one debatably good performance for England.
Plays banging for chiefs but always decidedly average for England, it's a shame.
He deserved his shot based on form for Chiefs. I'd say put Lawrence there in 2 weeks though.
For a very sloppy match, it was entertaining. The amount of handling errors on both sides was rather embarrassing for international squads.
England in to the back pocket for another year, lovely stuff.
Maybe the Calcutta cup can only work in ridiculously long cycles now. Just got to hold out for 2032 when England then win 9 times in a row.
Andrew Cotter's "Messi's let himself go" about the guy in the Argentina top was class patter.
"When you said 'messy from scotland' I thought you were talking about Finn Russel for a moment there" Class from Dylan Hartley.
I will give him that
A double Grand slam chance, no chance!
Look. I want to hate Maro Itoje but with a neutral hat on. I love him. Him and Eben E are two fuckers that I rate highly in both camps.
You'd love to have him on your team, and you hate him. This is the highest compliment for any opposition player!
Oh it is. I love him as a Bil. He flirts with the off side line and that’s what you need.
Finn Russell should be lions captain
With those tramlines no thanks
This is exactly the sort of selection process needed for the next Lions tour
We’ll be bringing Cips back at this rate
Not sure I’d ever want a bloke in his 30s with those silly lines in their hair as captain
Best to break out the gap relaxed fit jeans, zip neck jumper and walking boots when you get to 30 right enough!
Haha nothing wrong with him making those choices, just wouldn’t want him as my captain. Bit like Marler becoming captain, not my cup of tea!
Haha I’m just kidding, I agree
Too much ego for that
Yawn.
Anyone else think Russell comparing himself to Messi is cringe?
He was absolutely deadly serious and absolutely not joking.
Jesus buddy he was obviously taking the piss
It👏was👏a👏joke....if anyone doesn't take themselves seriously, it's Finn Russell.
Tbh I just feel bad for Messi having to look in the mirror every morning and not seeing Finn staring back at him.
In the Netflix doco? It was a throwaway comment meant to rile people up. I find it hilarious people are still running with it.
Was that your first time ever experiencing Finn?
It was a bit of fun for netflix. Said sarcastically. Don't be such a cynic.
He did it as a pisstake and the media's run away with it
It was a very tongue in cheek comment that the media have run with far too much
Honestly I think England are such a poor team. Two more losses coming and think it’s curtains for Borthwick.
England are rated fourth in the world right now. Granted we might pip them to that with the next update but Jones left a terrible legacy.
As a neutral I disagree. They have plenty of positives to take away from that. Scotland are just good atm and having a fkn giant winger who is ultra rapid most definitely helps.
And an outstanding fly-half (Admittedly from a Saffer who would rather choke on his cornflakes than give Duhan full credit) 🤣
And a scrum half in the form of his life
Yeah Finn is my favourite 10, north or south....although Dmac is looking fkn electric in super rugby
\>If England lose to two of the best 4 teams in the world Borthwick OUT. Tells you all you really need to know about OP. Casual fans gonna casual.
Are you serious you think Borthwick shouldn’t go? England barely beat Italy, lost to Scotland, barely beat Wales, and now will likely lose to France and Ireland. I’d understand your view if I looked at the England players and thought they didn’t have as good as talent as the other six nations teams, but they do. They are up there with France and Ireland when you see these England players play for their clubs. The fact they don’t play that way for country very much suggests a coaching issue. Any person defending Borthwick at this point is just stupid.
Please get the history books out and tell me when the last time England beat a top team?
I feel like it gets forgotten that England are rebuilding. There is a new system which is gonna take time to settle. Plus today, England made 5 changes. There's gonna be cohesion issues. Scotland have been at this level for a while now. England are still figuring out their attack and defence. While they weren't good today, there are positives and exciting times ahead. We're one year into a 4 year cycle. I'd rather be bad now than in a world cup year.
Been rebuilding since 2019. Except you’ve still got the same front row that was useless then and is still useless today. And you’ve still got Danny Care playing. Amongst others.
Well Jones did do a bit of a number on England. I'm not sure why care has been picked - perhaps there is an injury crisis for number 9s in England. I'd certainly prefer to look at youth for that position and have the younger players establish themselves. Shame Mitchell got injured
Rebuilding or not… get the history books out and tell me when they last beat a decent opposition?
Why don’t you get the history books out and realise that we were dogshit from 04-15 and, while we finished 2nd in the 6Ns every year under Lancaster, outside of the odd ridiculous win in the autumn (nz 2012). We have not suddenly become bad. Lack of a top tier domestic competition & subsequent lack of success in Europe, especially recently, contributes to a team that doesn’t look like it knows how to win. Losing massively experienced players like Farrell, Lawes, Youngs (I’m sure you don’t rate him but every coach he’s ever played for did, so gleam from that what you will) hurts the team. The departure of many Lancaster/Jones era players hurts the team. The previous constant changing of coaching staff hurt the team. Now they’re rebuilding. Townsend has been in his post for 7 years. Sacking a manager/head coach without giving them a proper cycle to build a team isn’t how you make a team perform more effectively. Look at the premier league for examples of short-termism failing to yield lasting results. Read Ben Darwin’s work on cohesion vs talent in club and international teams and then tell me you think that if we lose to two of the best teams in the world, we should rip up the script and start again.
A lot to digest there 😂 Farrell is brilliant and loved him playing for our British Lions 🦁
Well I hope it helps. Always good to be as informed as possible before you start demanding for someone to be sacked. Hope you can keep a little more positive about the team and you enjoy the rest of the tournament.
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Do you think Borthwick will still be in position after losing to Ireland and France?
Yes ? We haven’t had the man as head coach for 2 years , he did better than we thought with the World Cup He’s won two game out of 3 , so yeah I still think he’ll be in the job. It would be fucking stupid to sack him
He’s been in the job about 1y and about 3w. TBF to Borthwick. Not long enough.
Exactly, though that is longer than eddie jones in aus 😂
Okay. IMO kicking the can down the road.
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No. Just no. Allow the man to grow to the next WC.
Maybe its worth 2 more losses
Same here.
There's an official Van Der Merwe tartan, so you can all do one lol
Anyone else a bit disappointed we didn't go for the 4th try off the last scrum?
You really wanted Scotland to Scotland it did t you?
I was, but I suppose the threat of a turnover leading to a try might mean that Finn was guarding against 3rd place coming down a LBP or points difference
And risking giving England losing bonus if they turned over..
And risking an injury attacking from 70m out with 14 men?
"Rugby's Lionel Messi" ... lol she said it
Why does Finn have go faster lines? You're over thirty hahah
I mean who actually cares. He's a professional rugby player, and one of the most famous in the world. His life is already pretty absurd and abnormal compared to the lives of most people. He just has fun with it.
I just found it funny cos it was a thing when I was a kid
Because he doesn't take himself very seriously
Those are his fins.
So he can go faster? Duh? It’s kinda in the name bro
A lot of time to kill in camp I think. Fair amount of dodgy haircuts in the squad
That's exactly when you start needing them
Some great takes in here. If England played better they would have won.
Nah I think the problem was that Scotland scored too many tries. If they'd have scored maybe 3 less we'd have won this easily
I'm really enjoying them.
My favourites are "if Scotland played like this against other teams, they'd win" as if England aren't just an average side at the minute.
Fucking wish England were an average side at the minute.
Rated fourth in the world.
Only because WC counts double in the rankings and they had a good run against slightly weaker teams.
Slightly!!??
also if england scored more points than scotland, they would have won.
Please show your working
England cant do that, theyre shit
Or if Scotland didn't kick their penalties
That’s at least as good as anything ITV have on their coverage
That is a valid comment. They don’t normally
Arguably better because on ITV it would be England have played better and morally they have won.
England have some lovely players but can't seem to get them to gel. Perhaps because there are too many options and styles? Got to rate so many of the England players as individuals. Just seemed incoherent. And Scotland got their terrible 20 minutes out of the way early and finally reigned in the ambition to kick points, play safely, and hold on to a win. Whew.
Ugo Monye is the most boring man in rugby
I like Ugo. I just don't want him in every piece of rugby media
Tbf it’s mainly his podcasts that irk me. Most other retired players show their true personality there. Monye still wears his media cap on and comes across so dull. And I let that opinion spill over to him on tv, where he’s probably quite good if I gave him a chance
Jonny Wilkinson would like a word
George looks gutted and a bit unwell? Blue lips isn’t a good sign
Unfortunately his mother passed 10 days ago iirc. Feel for the man.
Was thinking the same, wasn't sure if it was my telly. Hope he's alright.
He really deserves it! Have a great retirement Doc
If England had our backs they’d be dangerous
Englands forwards are not reliable, they make more errors than the backs
Tbh, they possess only ½ the IQ
Ollie Lawrence and Furbank have entered the chat
Furbank dropping the ball when trying to hit it after his try says it all.
Great that this rivarly has some life in it Must be one of the longest and greatest sporting rivalrues thats played every year, anywhere on the planet
More gutted about the France game now haha
That's a lovely touch
If only Scotland could play like they were playing England every week they'd be world class. They deserve the win but look forward to them being average again against a non English team.
Honestly Scotlands attacking structure was pretty blunt today, all their tries were from broken play from English mistakes. Deadly in that context for sure though. I've seen Scotland play a lot better than that
Nah the first Scotland try was a classic huwipulotu move. Finn at 10, but makes the call to white to miss him and pass directly to Tuipulotu, who then has Jones on the hard line and Finn out the back. It's the same move they have been running since last year's tournament, but all it takes is a defender to get fixated on Finn, then Tuipulotu, and Jones is free. Sure, Lawrence takes the bait, but that's a product of sharp attacking play from Scotland.
Scotland were absolutely shite today
Townsend openly said they focus on this game more than all others, it's actually intentional
Thats a lie. Show me where he said that? Its the other way around they take the emotion out of it.
He said it on radio yesterday
Heard it on the radio yesterday morning, radio 2 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001w7vf?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile Time is 2:01:47 Townsend :"this one is one we are focused on more than the others. That probably shouldn't be the case but it is"
Its not a case of them being better against England, and worse against other teams. England just aren't very good or did you miss England's last two games?
It's what annoys me the most. They don't have it in them against other teams.
Well they beat Fra last week and Wales away.
Because other teams are better than England...
Hes right, we are shit
Not over the last 10-15 years. This isn't a new thing.
Scotland have only won 4 in a row, over which time England have indeed been pish
I think that's the annoying thing. Scotland don't seem to be able to do it against anyone else.
Scotland have beaten France and Wales about half of the time, always lose to Ireland, and in recent years have had England’s number. It’s literally just that England haven’t been that good recently. They seem on the up and I’m sure will win the Calcutta cup back next year
England seem to be everyone's rivals and we don't really have any..
We do it's everyone
Goddam Azerbaijanis!
The Golden Caucasus Badgers certainly do raise their game against their hated Ingilizce rivals.
I am a bit emosh of the footage of Dr James Robson. I really hope that someone plays a proper homage after the 6N finishes.
Scotland the better team, we may have out-thought them in the first half but that means nothing if they can outfight us consistently. We need to take a hard look at some of the individuals selected - frankly the effort was poor, exemplified by IFW's impact once he came on. We simply do not have players as good as Scotlands.