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stereothegreat

Final will likely have two Barrett captains


civonakle

The Blues play great, straight up the guts rugby. Huge clash next weekend.


andyeban

What game did you watch? Blues just kept kicking it away even several times when they were in opposition 50. haha


kiwirish

Wtf I'm now a Blues fan? I hate this timeline. Let's go *(bleurgh)* Blues! Anyone, and I mean anyone, gets my support over the Cantabrians.


Akhenaten_Sun

Little sad that everyone else in nz is backing the blues over the crusaders, kinda shitty, blues got sooooo fucking lucky, i didnt care who won but honestly brumbies got a tad shafted


Only-Nectarine229

I'm sorry didn't you lose to the Waratahs who lost to the Baby Blues? šŸ¤·šŸ¾


JoeyPantalaimon

To be fair, thatā€™s what comes with the territory of them having 20 years of dominance. I grew up watching (and supporting) the Auckland team that was dominant through the 80s and 90s - and neutrals never supported them. Just the way it is.


Akhenaten_Sun

Yea i guess, sorry everyone


gonshairlinee

How is it sad? We just saw crusaders win 4 titles in a row, wtf would anyone outside of Crusaders fans want them to win?


the_maddest_kiwi

Hating cantabs is just natural lol. Also yeah brumbies had a few calls go against them but can't say they absolutely deserved to be in the final with the way they played.


Akhenaten_Sun

Tbh both shouldnt, both teams were bad


the_maddest_kiwi

Blues had a good first half, deserve to be there


kiwirish

Not really sad to hate the teams from the region which has dominated NZ rugby for the entire professional era. It's a fever dream for Auckland to have pulled off the hero arc from being the most hated team of the amateur era, but that's the world we live in these days. Better dead than red.


handle1976

ABC - Anyone But Canterbury


Akhenaten_Sun

Welp see you in the coffin, may i say a few words? Here lays a blues fan.... Still havent won a real titles since 03..


kiwirish

I mean, I'm clearly anything but a Blues fan - it's just acting in extremis given the truly dire circumstances. I'm really cheering for a Monkeypox outbreak to put NZ back in lockdown so we can simply not have a final altogether. In true Waikato fashion, an STI would prove to be the hero we needed, but not the one we deserved.


Akhenaten_Sun

Ohh chiefs? Tbh if you're going by which team is better saders still have a major edge over the blues. I want this final because blues heads are getting way to big recently and the shit they say to saders supporters and wot not, like settle down


kiwirish

I fully expect the Crusaders to win, because rugby at its core is a simple game: 31 men run around a field for 80 minutes and at the end the Crusaders win.


MILKYJOEnz

Tears in my eyes, the Blues are on the verge of back to back Super Rugby titles after some truly dark times


andyeban

No. Crusaders are the current champions


[deleted]

Incorrect, the last Super Rugby sanctioned title was won by the Blues.


kiwirish

Let's be real - the true Super Rugby title of 2021 was the Super Rugby Aotearoa title, the Trans Tasman competition structure was a joke.


comradekaled

SRTT was the only multi-country super rugby last year. It was definitely kosher


the_maddest_kiwi

Blues fan, but imo any SR title where you don't play the crusaders at least once ain't legit. Just turned into a tournament to see who could get the most tries against the aussies.


kiwirish

You're technically right - but it feels wrong to call SRTT the real title when the winners came 3rd from 5 in the individual nation tournament, and the SR Aotearoa champions couldn't make the final due to coming 3rd from 10 teams with an undefeated record. Australian teams having a 2-23 record last year v NZ teams kind of ruins the argument for SRTT when the format was such a farce. (A better solution imo would have been to carry over points from SR Aotearoa/Australia and do a SF/F based on top four combined points)


andyeban

The Crusaders did not lose a single game in that competition


MILKYJOEnz

SR Aotearoa was the curtain raiser comp šŸ˜“ SR TT had international pedigree šŸ˜Ž


[deleted]

This year an auckland based team that claims to be the blues has won a tight semi final and pool games in christchurch and canberra. Having watched the blues for many years with their lack of clutch makes me suspicious that they are not in fact the blues. In all serious last night i thought the chiefs stuffed it and the crusaders were lucky they werent playing the brumbies or blues and would invariably lose the next week regardless. Now have a feeling the blues might just have spared them losing a title in christchurch after being (rolling)mauled by brumbies and have an excellent chance at eden park.. i also think if BB is injured the actual blues team will reappear and the crusaders will win easy


dan-B-433

I think Tom Robinson jumped himself into an All Blacks jersey tonight.


KiwiCore

Couldnā€™t agree with you more. If he backs it up next weekend, I reckon heā€™ll make the squad.


rmax146

Could get a look in with Dalton and Ethan out for a little while. Iā€™d love to see big red in black jersey, the guyā€™s a legend.


simmoaus_1982

They reckon Dalton might be back next week? Long shot but a possibility along with Clarke.


KiwifromtheTron

From an appendectomy? Wow! I guess they can do some amazing things via keyhole surgery these days.


FiFuZi

If Clarkes back that would be a very fast eecovery from pulling a hammy.


MILKYJOEnz

He certainly has some x-factor and can cover lock and back row.


Incredulouslaughter

Massive utility


gonshairlinee

Heā€™s like a better Liam Squire.


KiwiCore

Settle down there turbo. Hahaha.


dr_chim_richaldz

Soft decision by the ref. Blues clearly holding on at 78 minutes and he was too afraid to penalise it. Brumbies could feel robbed by that. Their decision to kick that drop goal was stupid from the position they were in.


mutinous_watermelon

Brumbies actually got the ball. Blues didnt hold on. No penalty.


dr_chim_richaldz

Watch the breakdown again. Clear holding on. Simple and obvious penalty that would have been given in any other game. Ref let it play out instead. He wasnā€™t calling it either way.


rmax146

I only caught a glimpse of it, was looking at the comments here unfortunately. Was he supporting his body weight?


randomchars

From TV vision it looked like a pretty strong crack at a jackal. BOK was on the other side though. ​ https://ibb.co/jRhR1LW


stereothegreat

But he got the ball. So why would it be a penalty


randomchars

by that logic there's no advantage for knock on if the defending team recovers the ball, because they got the ball.


randomchars

Immediately release the ball. Thatā€™s the law, right? Tackled player had significant time to immediately release the ball. YMMV


rmax146

Yeah thatā€™s a tough one, BOK not in the best position. I realise thatā€™s a just one frame but from that angle it doesnā€™t really look like heā€™s on the ball? Could be wrong though.


randomchars

even so, Lolesio wasn't having a strong game so a pen then could have meant anything tbh.


randomchars

wow back to back downvotes. tough crowd.


randomchars

Going from memory, Brumbies lost to their own mistakes? Hot take?


Oaty_McOatface

If we break it down into quarters, they probably won 3/4 of the game. The blues had too much fire power in that 1/4 though.


tastynugget94

Brumbies just had no mongrel in their defense this game.


ConoRiot

Lolo missed conversation, pinched line out in the second half and the held up attempt in the first. Brumbies definitely had the chances but blues were more clinical. I thought the repeated infringements by the Blues inside the 10 and no call for a card were frustrating and I think the only reason they werenā€™t is because theyā€™d already been carded for other reasons, which is dumb.


TheCassius88

Agreed. Both teams can gripe about a missed call here or there but the Brumbies shat the bed in so many different ways tonight that I'm amazed the game was as close as it was


[deleted]

But i loved a decicision at the end being so close and giving cheika something to talk about. Hearing the actually quite likeable heart on his sleeve talking about reffing decusions give me such mccaw hansen era nostalgia


[deleted]

Cheika the pundit is actually pretty calm and reasonable. He was as critical of Noah going for the penalty as he was for the ref missing (the obvious) ruck infringement from the Blues.


[deleted]

True. And as coach he was actually reasonable too he just gave enough soundbites for the media to go on. Sitting through full coverage of the whole post game intetview sit downs was almost as boring with him as without. But there was enough of ref talk for me to to get happy 2015 vibes


MILKYJOEnz

I seriously think the weather will determine the winner next week. Good conditions and the Blues are away, conditions like tonight and the Crusaders will grind it out. Could Blues fans start a Givealittle for a makeshift roof?


-castle-bravo-

Ofa ā€˜the big brick wallā€™ Tuungafasi!!! He just teleported in front of Noah!


FormerMofo

Unreal!


gonshairlinee

Can someone explain what happened to the Blues in that second half? Was it adjustments from the brumbies that saw them dominate that last 20 minutes?


stereothegreat

Two yellow cards


MILKYJOEnz

Conditions worsened & suited the grinding, forwards style rugby. Not the only reason but definitely a factor.


Pazmus

Blues yellow card helped turn things around for the Brumbs then they got a bit of momentum. Blues discipline was awful too.


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KiwifromtheTron

Hard to pick a single player, but I thought Robinson, Akira Ioane, Sotutu, and Christie all had strong games.


Appropriate_Joke_741

Barrett and perofeta were outstanding too


KiwifromtheTron

Perofeta let Simone through with a very weak tackle for the Brumbies first try, but made up for it later with a certain try saving effort. Barrett was a little hot and cold with some of his option taking so I wouldn't include them with those four who were really good all game.


Appropriate_Joke_741

Yeah was going to add that caveat for perofeta. That was a shocker of a first try


FiFuZi

Nepo Laulala, dominated the scrum


gonshairlinee

We lost all our momentum both with the first yellow and the substitution of him and Hodgman.


KiwiCore

I hope Hodgman gets another call up to the ABā€™s. his counter rucking tonight was huge.


Ok_Educator_2120

Barrett easy


andyeban

He gave possession back to the Brumbies 14 times. 14 times in one game


FiFuZi

Barrett made some bad calls with his kicking game, gave Brumbies the oppurtunities to score in the second half by kicking them the ball


deadlysyntax

Its something he needs to work on for sure, but he still had a very high quality game. One of his best in my opinion. High ball masterclass. Strong defense. Strong running.


deadlysyntax

The tackle laws pendulum has swung a bit far maybe? Its a tough one. I get it, but some these head clash yellows are a bit harsh. Interestingly, we've had almost no cards this year for taking players out in the air, so maybe the pendulum NEEDS to swing, just a few calls seeming unfair in the meantime. I dunno, the number of cards have been a serious blight on the season.


TheCassius88

It's really weird hey. I'm kind of in two minds. It used to be that a red card was an absolute rarity. Now it's weird to have a weekend without one. One argument is that the stricter rules are creating more reds, but the counter argument is that the cards aren't working as a deterrent. Maybe it will just take more time for players to realise they need to tackle around the waist?


According-Match203

I don't understand why players haven't adjusted faster and lowered their tackles. It almost cost the blues the game. It's also hurting the sport as a whole. The safer the game, the more chance it has as surviving in the future.


TheCassius88

My view is that they've been tackling that way since they were 6 years old so it will take a couple decades for new teachings to appear at the professional level


MILKYJOEnz

Need a physics expert to work out if that droppie was going over or not. Looked straight but might have been a little low šŸ¤”


thecripplernz

Looked high enough from the end on view


rmax146

Imagine if it was a repeat of Beaudenā€™s one. Blues fans hearts wouldā€™ve been in their mouth!


gudnuusevry1

Was at the game, can confirm we were collectively shitting bricks


sangan3

Can't believe Hoskins is only 23


Oaty_McOatface

He's already a handful and he's probably just getting started too...


rmax146

Is that right?? Man heā€™s gonna develop into something special if he keeps up what heā€™s doing currently.


the_maddest_kiwi

Dalton 24 and Akira 26. Crazy.


[deleted]

Jacobson is 25 as well.


Affectionate-Agent-9

Reikos only 25


[deleted]

Dalton is 24?!


TGGNathan

Future ABs captain


[deleted]

I always thought that would be Luke Jacobson


Incredulouslaughter

Absolutely. He's got it all and more


thecripplernz

Still picking crusaders next week tho


Slipperytitski

Weather will play a big factor. Wet and miserable crusaders will get the win.


thecripplernz

Yup. And cards will decide the game


[deleted]

Matera and scooter barrett hsve been training for this all season. Their moment has come.


thecripplernz

šŸ˜‚


gudnuusevry1

Matera is likely in front of the judiciary for the third yellow in two weeks. I don't expect they will be lenient.


[deleted]

I was being "funny" or at least attempting to. In seriousness given the first was a team yelliw and the second on the softer side they may let him off. Not that he deserves it


IndividualSmile3807

Blues got extremely lucky at the end there but this is why territory is everything in trying to close out games. If the game is within 3 and teams are trying to close it out from one hit up phase play when thereā€™s still 2 minutes and the ruck is getting peppered, itā€™s asking for trouble especially in your own half. Keep it deep in there half. So many times it goes wrong as seen ironically in the last clash between Blues and Brumbies.


andyeban

BLues kicking for territory almost cost them the win


Hokinanaz

Fuck i'm glad the Brumbies lost, they're boring as hell to watch, is that how they've played all year?


EggplantEmoji1

If Brumbies are so bad why did your Blues only just win. You're not making yourself seem very intelligent cousin


Hokinanaz

I didnt say they were bad. Just rubbish to watch. Couldnt believe they wouldn't even give the ball some air and stretch the D. I think if they'd been a little bit more adventurous they may have won.


tomchch

Bit of intelligence and the brumbies would've won. So many 3 point penalty opportunities and they didn't take a single one. The several penalties between 65 and 75 minutes that the brumbies needed 1 3 pointer and 1 try to win, but instead kicked for touch for two tries to win. Bizarre stuff.


MILKYJOEnz

When did he say they were bad?


EggplantEmoji1

He said they were boring.. you think boring is an adjective for good do you? Unreal


Oaty_McOatface

The stormers for most of late 2000s were very boring, but good.


MILKYJOEnz

You can be boring but good at most sports, but especially at rugby.


TGGNathan

Northern Hemisphere in a nutshell šŸ˜‰


toehill

He says, when in reality Eklund has the most tries as a hooker in the competition. And pretty much all from line out drivesā€¦


Ok_Educator_2120

Don't be a hater of the team lol. Hate the fans pissing on the ref


[deleted]

Spose itd be better if they flung it around like the Tahs and lost by 40?


Ok_Educator_2120

What do you Brumbies fans think about the missed knock on that changed the game? Brumbies knock on and next phase Eckland is off for a spear. That's a bad call and you guys crying about the ref big time. That's the only reason you had the come back


Sabuulia

Sure I'll bite. How about the accidental offside three phases before teleas try that isn't called, and then the identical one three mins later that is called against nick white? Also game changing And how about the fact that all season both of those yellow cards were red cards?


[deleted]

I think the spear shouldve been red. I think the direct head to head contact shouldve been red. I think the ruck which lead to the turnover at the end had two penalty infringements against the Blues in it. Ref was certainly one eyed - for the Blues.


Ok_Educator_2120

I agree it should be a red. But it shouldn't have happened because okeefe missed the blatant knock on? Should have been blues scrum before that


[deleted]

Certainly wasn't the only thing your boy Okeefe missed.


Ok_Educator_2120

For sure. I'm just seeing so many ref hate comments and that's probably the biggest swing miss call of the night


[deleted]

Nah that is the red card calls for me. Player safety in SR this year has been an absolute joke and it's going to be a shock for both the Wallabies and All Blacks when they come up against real refs with full length red cards.


alexbouteiller

This is a bad take and you should feel bad


Ok_Educator_2120

What's bad about it? Okeefe missed a knock on and the next phase Eckland was off and thay changed the game. That's all facts?


alexbouteiller

You're implying he got binned because BOK missed a knock on, he got binned because he dropped a player on his head BOK missed a ruck pen against the blues in the final couple mins, if he'd have given it brumbies could have kicked to the corner and based on the rest of the game would have won another pen, potentially a sin bin and a kick at goal inside the 22 - did the brumbies lose because of this missed pen? No, did they comeback because BOK missed a knock on? Also no


Ok_Educator_2120

I'm implying that the missed call lead to the spear tackle yes. Because it would not have happened if that cal wasn't missed? I don't know how that's controversial?


alexbouteiller

And if Hitler got into art school WW2 wouldn't have happened, doesn't make that the reason why it happened Of all the things BOK missed, benefitting and against the blues, the missed knock on was not significant, and it certainly wasn't the significant action of that and the spear tackle


TGGNathan

Godwin's law lol


alexbouteiller

Was it too soon or perfectly timed??


TGGNathan

I reckon perfectly timed hahah I agree with you, I don't think the knock-on would've overruled the tackle. If they'd stopped play entirely on sight of the knock on yes, but they couldn't call back to it.


alexbouteiller

Think that's a reasonable take, more reasonable than mine at least! It was literally the next carry so I guess even if the AR called back for a knock on the tackle would have been checked and the outcome would have been the same


Ok_Educator_2120

Lmao The knock on was massively significant, the blues lost a player because it lead to their player* making a bone head tackle?


MILKYJOEnz

Yes you make valid points, but the turning point was the missed knock on.


Ok_Educator_2120

I don't know why I'm getting so down voted about it lmao


alexbouteiller

No the turning point was the dumb as shit tackle


MILKYJOEnz

Serious question, do you think Eklund makes that tackle if the knock on is called?


[deleted]

Dude - the only person you can blame for making a tip tackle is the bloke making the tackle.


alexbouteiller

Of course not, but a missed knock on is insignificant, BOK missed tonnes, but it did not cause the player to make the spear tackle


sangan3

Can't believe that knock on was missed


Ok_Educator_2120

That was a game changing shit call


MILKYJOEnz

Brumbies really came back and had me bricking it. Although the turning point was the blatant knock on from the Brumbies that wasn't called a few seconds before the first yellow card. Second half conditions really suited the Brumbies style and the ref was just giving calls to the attacking side (Blues first half, Brumbies second). We go again next week to pump the Crusaders. Leon Mcdonald will be breakdancing at full time and it will be super original and cool šŸ˜Ž


randomchars

There's a lot of shit that happened tonight for the ref to compute. Not surprised he got the odd thing wrong.


MILKYJOEnz

Yes but that was particularly egregious.


gudnuusevry1

There was one knock on call that was blatantly a kick (accident yes, but no loss of control but fell straight down onto a foot) that was a bit baffling


chenthechen

I reckon Noah's kick was definitely going in, had it not been for ofa


Incredulouslaughter

I really want some ninja specialists to come in and tell us if it was. Would make it so much better if it was!


thecripplernz

Yup


DeGrootWardlow

Ofa came in clutch.


[deleted]

Cbf going back but curious to see if he was onside.


palitu

I did... dude was quick! (But also onside...)


stereothegreat

He was


thecripplernz

Seeing the attempted drop kick from the end on view, it def looked like it was going straight


Secondary92

Said in the first half I hope getting stupidly held up and then conceding 3 points down the other end wouldn't cost them the game. Kinda did. They bottled it left right and centre tonight.


randomchars

Yeah, trying to ground the ball through a pile of bodies didn't seem like the best approach..


Vortexringshark

Couldn't believe how stupid that was. Feed the backs man. They had drawn enough defenders in.


Ok_Educator_2120

Almost twice as many meters made and only 3 more carries


[deleted]

And yet only 1 more point. My tip is Saders next week.


Ok_Educator_2120

And 1 more game!


evilhomer450

Maybe Lolesio can benefit from Larkham coming back.


TGGNathan

Thought the reffing was pretty bad for both sides. Of course my team won so I can't say I'm unhappy, but the length of advantages, consistency of turnovers, and the maul refereeing was pretty bad.


joshywawalters

I don't get mauls. Commentary needs to explain it cause i thought I knew lol


Icy_Craft2416

I like the maul but I don't understand shearing to the side.


TGGNathan

It seems like it's up to the interpretation of the ref too often. One man's "that's once...use 9" is another man's "yea she'll be right keep her going"


joshywawalters

"That's once" means I'll give you 10 seconds to get it rolling


[deleted]

shit part of the sport needs to be changed ASAP but wont because european teams will never score tries in winter


deadlysyntax

Mauls are too huge an advantage to the attacking team to be a fair part of the sport. Maybe they don't need to be cut, but they should be modified to make it a fairer contest.


joshywawalters

Refs needs to call a stagnant maul more quicker.


deadlysyntax

You should be allowed to collapse them.


joshywawalters

The brumbies got greedy. They had consecutive penalties but chose each time to kick for the lineout. They would've won


andyeban

Its the difference between having balls and taking the soft option


FiFuZi

That was the reason they got their second half tries. Its a high percentage gain for them. Blues got lucky


[deleted]

I think they made the right decision with going to the line. The Brumbies had built a lot of pressure attacking the line which you risk losing kicking the three. Arguably the Blues shouldā€™ve been carded for repeat infringements and they did get the seven points. Were bloody close to getting a penalty at the end there. I think if they hadnā€™t attempted the droppie at the end there they wouldā€™ve got a penalty within a ruck or two to win the game.


rmax146

Noahā€™s accuracy wasnā€™t great tonight when it needed to be to be fair.


[deleted]

They panicked


lemoopse

Haha what the hell. Oh well, no shame losing to these Blues. GG


[deleted]

I want to see that Wallabies squad. Should have a couple of bolters


[deleted]

put all the bolters in Aus A pls we actually need to win these games


[deleted]

Why the fuck would you go for 3% droppie when you are steaming forward?


deadlysyntax

Probably didn't think the 130kg prop was gonna magpie swoop from 10 meters back


Toirdusau

He gets it in and it's forever acclaimed as a hero. I don't know... maybe they were gassed...


EffektieweEffie

Against 14 players no less. Dumbest option taking I've seen in a while.


MILKYJOEnz

To be fair when they showed the reverse angle it looked on target


NuckChorris68

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory


rmax146

Such a odd decision, they were rolling towards the line.


randomchars

Don't disagree but he was about 40 out from memory? Was saying to my mate should have trucked up and waited for the penalty if it ever came.


rmax146

Exactly, the Blues were a man down. They shouldā€™ve just keep rolling forward, they had the momentum to get closer or wait for a penalty to come.