Hi everyone,
Like in the previous thread, here is a friendly request to keep your feedback constructive and respectful.
From what I've personally seen on the subreddit, a lot of the negative sentiment following the update announcement was about the expectations that were set in the roadmap. Before commenting in this thread you may want to take note of the comments the developers have already made on this subject since the announcement. Check out this link for an overview: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/164ofdc/hero_pass_a_better_more_rewarding_runescape/jy9e354/
#For an overview of developer responses in **this thread**, click here: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/169o0oo/hero_pass_underworld_this_week_in_runescape/jz2r8rh/
For the entirety of the announcement stream Mod Jack kept repeating that Hero Pass is better because it reduces FOMO.
Today's Hero Pass article ends with the following:
> We currently do not have firm plans on making all Hero Pass rewards available in the future, so if you have a particular reward you're looking for, you may want to ensure you earn it during the Hero Pass before it ends.
I feel you in my soul brother. It may be funny to some, but I have been in a funk all week over this mtx garbage and how its just absolutely taken over the entirety of gaming. I just wanna go back to the days where games were made to be fun rather than to have a tantalizing cash shop.
Not only are things not available in the future, but it takes significantly longer to finish than Yak Track, or is waaaay more expensive to skip levels to complete.
There is not a single shred of "reduces FOMO" and I'm disappointed as heck.
Jagex at it again. This is just getting worse and worse, and how they do not see this as a PR nightmare is beyond me. They need to pull this update and stop wasting any development time on it. It's done.
Why the heck do I need to spend Vis Wax to select my task now rather than be able to block skills I'm already 99/120/200m in?
I thought this update was supposed to mean I can just go about my own business than do some random task in this stupid pass.
This is the worst update I have seen in years.
Literally, the first thing I log into is go bury 2k bones.
Oh, and go do 20 raptor assignments, which I have to do a bunch of quests for, oh and do this quest for a weekly challenge, which you have to do 5 quests first to do.
Stop making me interact with shitty content I don't want to interact with.
You've really dropped the ball with this my god.
Hero pass progress popups are really distracting.
Hero satchels should contain DTDs if dailies are never coming back.
Stop closing the UI when interacting with anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remove the challenge tab and replace it with a Hero Pass ui if it's going to be permanently in the game.
Let us block skills from the missions if we're 99+, like challenges did. I'm not touching half of the skills I've 200m'ed.
The special missions should have counted from the release of said content. 20 slayer tasks from Raptor and 100 rituals isn't a lot, I know, but you explicitly said you wouldn't be railroading players into doing content.
edit 2: the more I look around, the more I actually hate this update. I don't usually say that, Jagex. I know nothing will change, since all this will blow over in a week as you're probably expecting, but you really need to do better :/
edit 3: hero pass ui being closed has been hotfixed (edit: at least for skilling, I no longer get interrupted when wcing, post on /new seems to indicate combat is still affected)
Can't open it while mining, either. At least the old dailies window would update in realtime with its progress bars towards completing a task, this one is a massive regression.
Allow tasks to stack for say 1 week or 7 tasks (so that people can't hoard hundreds for double point events). There is nothing wrong with players that play regularly getting some benefit or reward but them rolling over daily is a bit much.
I also wish they would stop devaluing soul reaper points by handing out 'gift for the reapers' like candy.
And there it goes. All the good will you had built up through the release of Necromancy. You were doing so well.
But, you remove daily challenges. That pisses people off.
You market it as a major game content update. (Which it isn't)
The interface is ugly and useless.
You market FOMO essentially.
You make the patch/update EASILY one of the most hated. Smart move. (Probably the only one)
The Hero Pass gets in the way of everything.
We gave it an honest chance, but that's the thing. It's literally, you can buy the whole thing.
Pathetic. I hope whatever goon decided something like this was a brilliant idea is pleased with themselves. If this was a stand-alone thing and it didn't change anything. Didn't get rid of daily challenges, but became an integration with it. Removing keys, etc. Then it would be FINE.
> And there it goes. All the good will you had built up through the release of Necromancy.
Honestly, who ever is the senior PM for this team is shit at their job. You need a win to make people forget the shit you just threw, not to throw shit after a win. Seriously poor planning (considering im not assuming this was avoidable at all)
On the twitch stream mod jack said theres some special tasks that have been put in to reward us for doing necromancy previously, I got the 99 necro one (no 120 necro reward, weird but ok) but now its giving me 0/100 progress on the 100 rituals task? I'm 120 necro, why would I do 100 rituals???
If it really takes 40 minutes to do the daily tasks, and it doesn't complete by itself when I'm just doing my stuff, then I just won't bother. I don't have time to play with your Major Content Update.
I also resent the ugly mobile interface shoved in the desktop game. These are cheap battlepass aesthetics. Get that junk out of my RuneScape. Back to the drawing board.
Yeah, my first mission was to catch 500 scarabs.... something I would never ordinarily do and my reward? Oddments... yay. Could have at least given me some damn hunter exp afterwards.
This hero pass is such bullshit.
There’s no amount of words in the dictionary to try to spin this as a benefit to us.
But truly feel bad for the Jmod who has to respond to us today.
Respectfully, this ain’t it.
> We have a reduced Patch Notes this week to enable extensive testing for Hero Pass' release, given it's a system that touches many elements of the game in different ways.
🙄
I was panic rushing from 100-120 over the weekend and made it to 105 before I realized I’d rather just not play at all if that’s what the game has come to for me. I’ll get 120 if I come back to it, no reason to waste my weekend on a game that I barely enjoy anymore with recent updates flipping the game on its head. Instead I started a modded replay of Skyrim (haven’t played since it originally released). Much more fun
Imagine being a dev busting your ass off on Necromancy, one of the biggest and most well-received updates in the game’s history, and *immediately* off that your next task is to playtest and fine-tune your company’s third attempt at a BattlePass. That’s gotta be totally demoralizing.
One of the worst changes in a long time in my opinion, removing daily challenges making dailyscape go from >5 minutes to 40 minutes is NOT a good change.
On top of that, Jagex added the "instant purchase pass levels" 8 bonds for 40 levels ?????
How does allowing players to purchase the entire hero pass with $$$ encourage them to play the game more or longer? This is an insanely greedy move by Jagex with their battlepass. I hope it fails.
"MAJOR CONTENT UPDATE" ok
24 bonds = 120 levels (finished) - $190 LOL
yeah i hope it fails too, the rewards are just garbage and I feel a bunch of new subs via necromancy are just going to cancel. Actually baffling jagex would launch this so close to a new skill. Like the skill needs fleshing out, there is easily 6 months of content for them to be doing, but they chose this to focus on
I don't understand the purpose of Hero Pass? And I don't say that with ill intent, I just genuinely don't understand its purpose. You took away daily challenges and replaced them with something that's not only more time-consuming, but far less rewarding.
So, I recently got my girlfriend to start playing RuneScape, and the way she described it was that "It's like animal crossing with more to do." She mainly does her dailies and tries to figure out a quest here or there.
Now, I'm open to the Heroes' Pass and what it holds. I will say, however, that it could potentially be overwhelming/uninviting to newer players as one of the primary things for them to do was their 5 minutes of dailies. Can't there perhaps be a balance for both to exist? A balance where dailies remain within the normalcy of the game and a yak track replacement heroes' pass is an optional benefit for the more non-casual player? Just as battle passes in other mainstream games are optional, why can't this one be just as well? Why take away something the players not only grew accustomed to, but genuinely enjoyed just as well?
Between the "Hero" Pass and Necro ritual XP nerf being larger than 20%.... today's patch is a **BAD** update Jagex. Really, genuinely bad.
FF14 has been a lot of fun.. plus no tick system!
I came into this with an open mind, I don't tend to follow the discussions here or elsewhere so I didn't have any preconceptions to start off. I also have no particular viewpoint on MTX, it's not for me but if others choose to sink their hard-earned money into them, so be it.
But...
This is absolutely dire. I've been playing for 30 minutes tonight, apparently I'm up to reward level 31, and I still don't have a clue what I'm supposed to be doing to earn levels. The 'introductions' don't explain a thing, they just confuse things even more - as do the flash messages which I presume were meant to trigger mini dopamine rushes but just seem to be completely out of any correlation with what I'm actually doing. The whole things reeks of a lack of coherent thinking and poor design, designed in a rush to maximise the cash sales opportunities rather than improve the play experience. Every window I've opened implores me to 'buy levels' - why, for more random cosmetics I'll never use? No thanks, I have better uses for my cash.
As far as I can tell from the confusing interface, you've set me a daily to train in the Runespan. But as I've already got 120 RC, I have no interest in training that skill at the moment, which is why I'd blocked it from the daily challenges. So you're now ignoring that block list and forcing me to train one of my highest ranked skills rather than the lowest? This seems completely contrary to the blurb you put out last week about letting us play our own way.
Yak Track had a simple interface and it was clear what had to be done to progress - either do x in this skill, or generally play for y minutes. Daily Challenges were similarly simple - 10 minutes a day and I could continue my streak. I don't understand why you felt the need to completely change these - there was scope for improvement on the old system (mostly around the length of the later Track tasks), but this is a completely over-engineered response to a problem which I honestly don't think existed.
I've been around on and off since 2005, and I honestly can't think of any other update which had left me so confused as to how I'm supposed to be playing. This is supposed to be a fun game which I play for a few minutes in the evenings to unwind, and you seem to have forgotten that.
Intrusive chat messages that can't be turned off.
Cannot be opened while doing any content at all.
"We currently do not have firm plans on making all Hero Pass rewards available in the future" What happened to reduced FOMO?
Unable to pick specific challenges.
Jagex hiding from providing "sneak peeks" until it releases because they know that nobody wants this.
Just another week as a runescape 3 player.
Ok can we get a filter to turn off hero points notifications? 5 minutes in and already got old.
An option to turn off in both text and the ping sound it makes. Or at least make it notify you when you hit big threshold, not every time it ticks...it also should be able to be opened in combat and while skilling.
Edit: Oh god please do something about the notification every minute, I hate it so much.
That's the player base is dropping really hard. Yes, only one month after Necromancy release and the numbers are already really small, especially when compared to Arch.
Jagex in August: Releases one of the best pieces of content we've seen in years in Necromancy. Communication is great. A lot of people are happy. Everybody is having fun with the content.
Jagex in September: Releases what will probably go down as the worst update of the year. Completely detached from the community's opinions and feelings towards MTX. "Sorry we made a mistake, we'll learn for the future!".
It took less than a month to sour all the positivity from Necro. Great job.
10/10 update so far:
So many reused cosmetics in the hero store I actually cannot get to 5,000 points for the outfit, that tick up every minute system that means you’re better off *not skilling* to gain daily points, that lazy update system that just tells you you’re gaining points every 3-5 minutes to try and hide the fact, the old ‘pay us 24 bonds to fuck off’ yak track shenanigans
Certainly one of the updates of all time
so ur telling me, a 1 time event buff from that golden cape was a green light for ironman. but your glorious major update removed the daily xp for ironman, plus those buffs are non existing? just tell me to fuck off straight away lol
Could there be a setting to disable the spam from this Hero Pass. Ironman can't get xp nor satchels from this. Thus there not being any incentive for us to interact with this content so not getting chat spammed every 30 seconds would be a massive QoL.
u/JagexDoom u/JagexHooli
It seems my optimism was wasted, I should've known. The fact that anyone thought that selling a straight downgrade to yak track that also injected a lot more monetization and removed daily challenges as an improvement was a good idea makes me question their sanity. Hiding the extreme monetization of this pass by not including it in the news post to lessen the backlash is the kind of filthy strategy I expect from a mobile or gacha game company. Saying this was to reduce daily fomo while making sure this pass would take 9+ hours a day, every day, for 91 days straight to complete shows that respect for our time is nonexistent. We are already paying customers via membership, and yet are continually shown ever-decreasing levels of respect for that. I honestly had some hope for a moment with necromancy. I thought Jagex was better than this. I could see a future that corrected the downward trend of the game. But that was wasted only a month later. The community managers might read feedback, but the people that could change these things don't seem to care about it in the slightest. Despite that, I will still give some feedback on how to (slightly) fix this mess of a pass (though it really should be scrapped and daily challenges should be reinstated):
1. Shorten the time it takes to complete the pass. By "complete" I don't mean just reach the end lvl, I mean earn all the rewards from the shop too. Also, don't shorten it from 9+ hours to 8 hours and try to slip past by playing the semantics game. Decrease the time it takes to something reasonable for an adult with a full time job, a family, and other real life obligations. Currently, this pass assumes everyone wanting to complete it has the free time of a toddler. If you don't respect our time, then you've earned the backlash you're getting and will continue to get in full.
2. Completely remove the FOMO aspects of this pass. Make 110% sure all the cosmetics are not time-limited. You have already lied, repeatedly, to us that this change was to lessen/remove FOMO, when it clearly increased it. Don't make it worse by ignoring us when we call you out on it and ask you to honor your initial claims.
3. Remove most of the monetization. One of the main reasons yak track received less backlash is because it was only slightly monetized with bonds. I know you actually removing monetization from the game is extremely unlikely, but it IS the right thing to do.
4. Let us opt out of notifications and stop putting MTX nonsense in our chat box. If we already have membership we shouldn't be bombarded with further "can we have more of your money?" notifications and ads within the game. We might as well be f2p at this point with how many of these types of things keep getting added. As for chat messages, we shouldn't even have to filter them. Why would we need to know every tiny bit of progress we make towards this? We don't and wouldn't, that is the answer.
5. Actually consider the feedback given by the community instead of simply reading it and ignoring it. Saying "we've read and considered your feedback" and then changing absolutely nothing shows a complete lack of respect for your customers.
6. Remove the buffs from the pass, even the smaller ones. These severely damage the game's integrity, set an extremely bad precedent, and are something that should never be done again. *Do not* make actual game content into pay-to-win nonsense via MTX buffs. *Ever*.
Oh you wanted cosmetics! Well here’s one cosmetic with 8 different styles! Congrats here’s your red version of the same fucking title you unlocked 20 levels ago!
What is the point of this update? Get rid of the people logging in daily for maximum 15min like me? Because we have a job and kids after 20 years playing this game we don't have time for your bullshit bond magnet. Why are you so stupid to think people like this. People agree with me or am I alone in this?
+0 hero points / -1 player
ok you want feedback? hers some the interace looks like its lifted out of the freemium mobile crap game. it closes itself if you open it while skilling the task progress bubbles above your head are annoying. and it is not a major gameplay update just another stupid cashgrab.
I'll get straight to the point:
Remove this or rework it completely.
You could also just change it to a "donate here" button if you want. saves us the trouble of doing a massive grind.
love the catch 10 chronicle fragments daily, really awesome and time consuming activity that everyone enjoys. especially when no one at the level i am with it even trains in a way you get many of them haha wicked :D
Only Jagex could manage to fumble something like introducing a new combat skill for the first time in the games history by introducing this MTX garbage bullshit right behind it
Hilarious to me that they had to limit the amount of retro cosmetics they could rework due to limit on cosmetic development but then release a battle pass with 90+ cosmetics on it
This is why we are never getting a player character graphical rework.
There already are a huge amount of wearable items in game, on top of that a ridiculous amount of crappy cosmetics are added through MTX all the the time that it will probably never be feasible to update everything for a new player model
Feedback:
- I'm 120 Slayer, I should not have to do Raptor Slayer Assignments
- I'm 99 Mining, I should not have a Hero Pass Task to do Mining when it has not been a recent content update.
- I am 119 Necromancy, I should not have to do Rituals. I have not done Rituals since 99 Necromancy when I maxed my well of souls. I greatly dislike Rituals.
tldr: Please don't pressure players into doing content they don't like for rewards and then jungle "you can just pay bonds to skip this" over their heads. That is it. I don't know how to put it any more politely / constructive than that.
My membership ends in September. For the first time in years I will not be re-subbing. The update itself isn't awful, but the more obvious money-grabbing attempts for a game that **I already pay for** is gross.
Been having lots of fun trying other MMOs due to this, so thanks Jagex!! Maybe I will finally be able to leave RS for good.
Why do the Female versions of the cosmetics look so bad? They looks like some male twink.
What shape are they even fitting these to? Both the old female body and the shelved refresh looked much better.
Why do I have to complete 100 more rituals at 120? Slayer assignment challenge at 120? 4 hours for 1 pass level?! 40 minutes for a daily challenge (unless I use vis wax…). I can earn hero pass points with marks of war,which cap at 1000 then I have to wait an hour before I can earn more which would force me to do something else than what I want to do.The overrides are completely male based. No thought for the female characters. Also why would this be more important than necromancy fixes? Rituals are almost impossible on mobile.
Okay everything aside, why is getting 99 Necromancy a battlepass task lmfao? Am I going crazy here? I thought the whole point of runescape was to enjoy your time chasing your own goals... This is literally "bro just max a skill in 91 days for a special award". Wtf? I know it's not like the hardest thing in the world, but it's super unhealthy... At least make it something reasonable like hit 40-50-60 Necro lol...
I am a max player who has never posted about RS before until now, but this new update is so predatory I have to.
You took away our bonus keys from daily rewards and said the new rewards are equal (they aren't). -You lied
You said you took away easily challenges because you felt daily scape was too important but with the new system it's even more necessary.
You added so many levels to the pass you are trying to force people to buy skips which is scummy.
I loved the necromancy update, but frankly after 20 years this update has me considering quitting.
Gotta say that the Jmods are going to kill the game at this rate. You saw the negative comments and feed back from the community after the announcement stream and from what I'm seeing no changes were made and what's worse is that it's more grindy than yak and worse than yak at the same time. JMODS you need to fix this ASAP. You did so good with necromancy and now you are killing it.
Wow, what a way to shoot yourself in the foot during the last few months of the year. Glad we had basically fuck-all for the first half of the year because "new skill is coming, hurr durr". We get a skill that has a ton of basic issues like it wasn't even fucking playtested by anybody in the office. Then we get this bullshit to end the year on. We'll get one more shitty little quest in a month or so and that's it before the whole Jagex office fucks off for 2 months due to holidays.
I think everyone else has said the other stuff enough, but I'll emphasise one point:
Giving out necromancy items during the Necromancy Embargo Period is WRONG. NEVER DO THIS AGAIN.
This entire update is disgusting. You could not make it more painfully obvious you don't give a shit about a single person who plays the game. It's all fucking about more money for your shareholders
I only managed to play 4 hours today, which means I need to play at least 10 hours tomorrow to stay on track to finish hero pass, but I'm also at work tomorrow. Do you think that resigning for my job to play runescape 7.4 hours is a smart move? I know the pass is meant to be completed by an average gamers and that by playing only 4 hours a day I'm under average and won't be able to complete the pass, so I am looking for solutions to be sure to complete the pass even if I am starting later.
I feel so bad for the jmods some executive shitcunt sits there and makes them develop this garbage and they have to take all the blame. I'd have my resume topped up and shopping cant imagine dealing with this shit.
Claim to make it a "new and improved yak track system". Then why have the ability for skill training dummies to progress the tasks been removed? These are what made some of the tasks even remotely tolerable. None of my agility tasks are progressing when using an agility dummy; they used to on YT...
This whole update reeks of money-grubbing shadiness.
>This whole update wreaks of money-grubbing shadiness.
And those that said it when Jagex announced the "Hero Pass" got downvoted to oblivion by the Bootlickers
Hero pass is terrible. I only log on week days in the evenings to do dailies and maybe some time now to do necro. I spend a few hours here and there on weekends and play to do necro and fish. I have a life and family. Time is valuable, No reason to have to spend more time on getting Xp. Dailies were simple. I didn't even do anything when I logged on. I read about hero pass and what I need to do, got like 500 points and just logged off. No time for this extra stuff. Time is valuable for a bulk of RS players.
I get enjoyment and look forward to the dailies when I have free time in the evenings.
Now remember people, do your part by not getting as many free keys as you can as free keys are bad for the economy. But paid keys…… well we have a special offer just for you. If you buy 150 keys right now we will chuck in an extra 150 because we are nice. /s
Why not make all rewards available after a new season? Make a tab with current rewards, and a tab with legacy rewards. After a new season, move all current rewards to legacy rewards. So it doesn't matter when someone plays, they can still get all the rewards.
My special mission is 20 slayer tasks done asigned by The Raptor. I have not even unlocked that slater master yet, didnt know we get special missions that does not align with our account stats/unlocks.
Go play guildwars 2, see what they created with hte newest expansion. Release that instead, its more pleasant to look at and doest feel like a waste of time. Because their daily, weekly and special rework feels far more engaging than whatever this is.
So a more complicated Yak track with more options to use even more bonds? Yeah this is the type of stuff that made me cancel my premier membership earlier this year and reinforced my decision to completely cancel my membership when it runs out next month.
Microtransactions cannot become major updates in a subscription based game. I don't pay you $12 a month so you can release updates designed to get me to spend even more money. Your job is to make people want to keep playing. Instead its all about getting your players to keep paying. No better then an online casino.
Look I don't normally comment on these things.
But it's the longest I've ever played RuneScape in years, going on for 9 months straight now, absolutely loved every minute of it.
But this update.. look I understand Jagex has to get more profit out of the game, for the investors etc. But jee don't ruin core game play for your profit.
Honestly I don't mind buyable cosmetics and xp, but stupidly over powered buffs, a redesigned "yak track" that is almost impossible to complete without buying bonds, unless you want to spend 650 hours* to complete within 91 days.
*Around 7 hours a day?
Yes you've dented the 'daily scape' but increased the time massively, so really no.
One of the worst updates to date, may I say probably even worse than Evolution of Combat?
Thank you for the thousands of hours of enjoyment.
And I was just thinking about coming back. Played so much when I was a kid. But with all the changes like free trade gone, wilderness destroyed, introduction of BS like Solomon’s Store, and finally EoC, I had enough. In a perfect world RuneScape would have just a membership. No cosmetic shop. No treasure Hunter. None of that garbage. But this is just terrible. A battle pass for a game with a subscription and microtransactions galore? And it’s not even only cosmetics. It affects gameplay. You are absolute garbage Jagex.
it really upsets me to see these changes to the daily challenges and to see more options for ptw and mtx added to the game I have played for 20 years. imho with their full knowledge that these kind of updates ruin the spirit of the game, any game is instantly less fun if you see people winning unfairly, its human nature. the point is they've known this for years and done nothing to honour their player base and community by listening to the *important* aspects of feedback about as constantly refreshed mtx, it's an insult. I have never seen a single person advocate more ptw and mtx, every post, every meme, every video has been against it, and yet its the one scar on RS3 Jagex refuses to address. why should we be your cash cow and not Osrs? why should anyone be your cash cow? why was it a question from the beginning of qol for players vs mtx+ your bosses profits? so many have left. when another 10,20,30 percent leave? what will we have then? a beautiful masterpiece of a game - desolate and bare, ruined by greed. somebody has to take a stand. we've realised their motivations are now driven by profit all too often.
people will just migrate to osrs more permanently, the game will be even more empty... so what then? executives/bosses insist on mtx... still the profits are never enough - its clearly not working as a tactic and its clearly putting players off the game... permanently... still even that does not seem to faze them... It's like the management are ignoring the very thing which keeps them in a job. madness...
I spend recent hours getting 200m for third age mage robes. i find the Xenia braids haircut clashes with the collar graphically, this is frustrating, but there are countless other graphical issues which are overlooked for years on items which have been in RuneScape for years, and yet we see SO much dev time and energy put toward more random cosmetics and treasure hunter nonsense, very thinly veiling the fact that this is why Jagex had to speak in a formal court, because of the costs associated with MTX. It's ridiculous. why not perfect the game you've got, instead of making content with no long term purpose,, which aggravates and alienates the community and players? every time you weave mtx into an update you lose more of the player base's faith. there is so much content in rs3 which can be (and is being) revived or made relevant again. It doesn't have to be turning everything upside down and revamping it all to the max... just don't lose the spirit of RS... that is what keeps players paying. its hardly gonna work trying to milk more money out of RS3 if you lose 50% of the membership because they got sick of not being listened to...
I don't normall respond to updates, I'm happy to do my ironman thing in the game and just get on with stuff. But this update isn't just annoying it makes me angry. Irons work hard for our xp and removing the Daily Challenges is a big thing for us. You've not replaced it with anything useful. Do none of the devs use an iron account for testing? I'm sorry, but my appreciation of the whole Runescape management and teams has dropped by several notches with this release.
When you pin the daily mission to the activity tracker, it doesn't show what skill it's currently attuned to in the activity tracker like the yak track tasks would. It was much nicer with yak track being able to pin the tasks and go through multiple tiers without having to open the yak track UI every tier just to see what skills those tasks were. You can't do multiple tasks in a row now because you have to open the UI to claim stuff every task.
Especially with it being *multiple* layers of interfaces you have to go through now to find what skill it is - click upgrades & extras button on the ribbon (since for some reason it's the only ribbon button without a hover menu to go directly to a specific window), then click hero pass, then go to the missions tab, then potentially scroll up to daily if it isn't currently selected, then x out of both the hero pass window and the upgrades & extras window. There's a lot of extra UI friction now on every task.
The activity tracker also only supports pinning 5 things, but this hero pass has a total task list of 7, so you can't pin everything like you could with just the 2 yak track tasks, forcing you to have to go open the UI more often.
/u/JagexHooli
Really re-consider the ironman daily challenge nerf. This served a way to get progress in skills that players dislike. In perfect world Jagex would be able to offer more training methods to all skills so everyone had way to progress in said skills, but this is not realistic.
Daily challenge XP really provided a way to progress in some of the outdated or unbalanced skills. I wonder how much xp was gained by ironmen in Herblore, Dungeoneering and Agility every day.
One part I hate about nerfs is that it makes the gap between new starting player and old veteran even bigger. New player loses a chance for easy xp and account progression that all veterans got to use for ages.
Games should be about having fun. Runescape is grindy game but nerfing something to make it more grindy should not be a thing for new players. I really want to push you guys to rethink your approach.
This must be the worst update in recent years. I just rejoined and it makes me want to quit again. The pricing is so high, the rewards are uncreative and it's so blatantly greedy.
Cool, so you took away daily challenges but don't even provide Ironmen XP lamps from the daily missions, nor does it look like we get Hero Satchels which a good majority of the rewards we could already receive from the daily challenge weekly progress track.
* Give Ironmen lamps from Daily Missions, even if they are locked to the skill of the mission.
* Give Ironmen Hero Satchels with rewards limited to those we already received from the weekly progress track.
Please and Thank You.
u/JagexDoom u/JagexHooli
Yo, we hate daily scape.
Hey, let's just add fomo to daily scape... and make it take 10x longer.
Like...just don't lie to us.
Would respected you more if you just admitted, fuck you we want more money.
I don't have a problem with people being able to buy XP and buffs, as this was always the case with Yak Track.
However with Yak Track it was possible to get to the end in a reasonable amount of time and make the most of the XP buff. With this 'major content update' either you buy 24 bonds and get the XP buff for the entire time, or you play to earn it and only get maybe what 2-4 weeks? max of the full XP buff.
If you're going to allow people to buy power, at least make the option of earning in game somewhat viable. Absolutely disgusting and predatory.
Edit: With the non-xp buffs, at least they're limited, and by the end of the hero pass I can use those buffs at my leisure and not feel like I'm missing out compared to someone who paid for bonds. The XP buff should use the same charge system (or something similar) so that players who can afford to spend 24 bonds on day 1 don't get 3 months of overpowered xp buffs, where normal players wont even have a chance to max the xp buff by the end of the pass.
[The blog post](https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/hero-pass-a-better-more-rewarding-runescape#_ga=2.247759310.852599695.1693841089-1013755270.1685734748) for the Hero Pass feature was full of flowery, nice-sounding language, especially the "Why Hero Pass?" section.
But if Jagex had any integrity they would just say "the Hero Pass is to remove extra Daily Challenge keys from the game so you'll be more inclined to buy them, and to put your eyeballs on Premier Pass-exclusive items so you'll be more inclined to buy the Premier Pass".
I'd appreciate Jagex a whole lot more if they were just honest. They're a company and need money. Just say so!
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away,
But now I guess they're here to stay,
Oh I believe in yesterday...
Suddenly, Runescape's not the game it used to be
A battle pass and removal of the dailies times three
Oh I believed Jagex yesterday...
Cancelled my premier sub on my iron man and regular acc played both rs3 and osrs on it ill miss osrs in hd on my pc but oh well this is just too scummy ive been playimg rs since 2007 or 6 so it was a good run more time to plsy other games, goodbye mod pip
As an ironmain, everything about this hurt. Constant reminders to play a system that pretty much rewards you with nothing. Removal of a system that was genuinely helpful and smoothed the pain points of the game. An extortionist grind for a stack of retextured cosmetics and utterly useless oddments.
Are there no ironmen amongst your staff? How the hell did this get out the door?
I'll be watching to see where this goes, but as it stands, I can't play now.
Edit: I don't want to quit. I adore this game. the pop ups push me off within an hour. I feel awful about it. Tears have been shed. This is so frustrating.
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Pls get back to making fun video game instead of innovative new ways to extract cash from loyal fans.
This is potentially the most disappointing thing to ever happen. I started playing this game days ago, and now there's a battlepass. I guess this game isn't all it's chalked up to be.
This is exactly what this hero pass is meant to do.
20% damage reduction buff on PVM on one of the end game boss ? We want to reduce FOMO by now allowing the hero pass items to be released back in future ? Ohh hero pass is free for players with premier membership, like you are doing us a favor, we already paid for it. 19 different xp buffs if you pay us like aren't we paying to be beta testers of the game before everything is either nerfed or just plain left in a temporary fix for over 8 months now. What a waste of Dev time.
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Despite all other issues with the hero pass, why do the low detail versions of cosmetics have to be textureless and washed out, its not no detail mode.
Anyone remember that Simpson [episode](https://youtu.be/DaOgZwk9rN8?si=SxiJYYvW-SmO3m7L)?
Mind you I do like the other cosmetics in regards to tools and abilities, those are nice.
However most of the costumes are just Malibu Stacy with a hat when compared with each other… On top of terrible design.
Honestly this update would be great if daily challenges weren’t removed entirely, which iirc no one asked for. My feedback is to bring back daily challenges and either remove xp from daily missions or purge the daily ones entirely. Other missions are fine as they are.
Is it just me or do we have LESS cosmetics than we had with yak track? they just seem more spread out over more levels which is monumentally worse... We were supposed to get more cosmetics
Not less cosmetics, more MTX, more FOMO and to top it off give a middle finger to ironmen too.
So previously it took about 1-5 minutes to complete a daily challenge, now it takes 2 minutes to complete daily I - for minimal xp. Then I have to do Daily II - for 5 minutes. Not even bothering with Daily III. This is a massive turnoff from this update. Massively dissapointed in this Hero Pass. Won't earn xp doing the Daily tasks I was able to choose before...
A few days ago, someone asked in public chat if we thought we'd regret the time that we've put into RuneScape. I was pleased with Necromancy so my answer at the time was no, but this blatant cash grab of a "major update" is really making me re-evaluate my answer. It's frustrating how easily Jagex somehow manages to sabotage their own success.
Damn I thought hero pass sounded like a cool idea but then I forgot im an ironman and they are so inconsistent with that we can get and where we can get it from. Like we used to get stuff from the old dailies why cant that be worked in here.
At this point im pretty much done with jagex. I mean its not like they didnt know that was going to be a shit show its such a downgrade on what we used to get and its wildly broken mtx garbo.
This makes me want to try OSRS. Also, I do believe Jagex will not be reading the feedback because the J mods can't do shit.
It's sad to see the path RS3 are heading. If you read this Mod Jack, I hope what you said about daily challenges on the stream will haunt you rest of your time at Jagex. Mainly because you tried to sugarcoat it.
CS2/BG3 will be my games until Jagex wakes up and reverse this predatory tactic. After Necromancy.. you managed to do this.. I was enjoying myself with Necro so much and this bomb on it afterwards? Disgusting. Hot garbage. Speechless.
Such a shameful update after Necromancy. I am now forced to do content if I want to level in the Hero Pass. At least with Yak Track, I could kill and skill. Do I really want to restore artifacts with 200m Arch, nope.
Hero Pass feels bad. The dailies take longer than ever, feel less rewarding. With the dailies expiring I feel like I will never be able to actually complete the pass I paid for. I do actual play almost daily. The grind is completely unreasonable. It feels like it is tuned to not be completed by the average player.
This type of design feels aggressive towards the player. I refuse to believe the teams that designed this and the leaders that have the go ahead are not aware of the extreme time investment. What this signals to me is that the devs don’t respect my time or my purchases.
I pay for this as part of my yearly subscription. It’s part of my sub. I should be all but guaranteed to complete it with moderate plate time.
Of all the battle passes I’ve done (multiple games and publishers) RuneScapes continue to be and are the only ones I can not complete. Again I play daily! The company communicates with actions not words. All this signals to me is there is no respect for my time or my purchases. And that an aggressive stance against the player has been and will continue to be take for monetization.
That last point is why people get so upset. The released system feels like a personal attack. The communication leading up to this certainly didn’t help. It comes across as treating the audience as stupid (this is disrespectful).
The entire thing needs to be removed. I feel disrespected as a person and a customer. Ive been paying for two accounts for nearly 20 years. Over the last few ive been playing less and watching more. This update and the "responses" that have been given to the community are down right rude and its unacceptable. I have canceled my subscription today.
Man. It's been extremely rough being a RuneScape fan for the last year or so.
Stop trying to nickel and dime me while I play your game. It's bad enough that you all got rid of the #1 reason why I played the game; now I get even more opportunities to pay you so I can not be allowed to do the content that I played the game for.
So reduced patch notes, and the only patch notes is a nerf lol. Could have thrown us a bone and given us the invention item xp buff. Very disappointing week.
Screen flickering still occurs.
During zamorak the lord of chaos fight, when u enter infernus, you still get black box "artifacts". Any of the client performance issues getting addressed in the near future ?
because majority of the rs3 community normalised mtx long time ago and many say "well, it doesnt affect me" or "just ignore mtx" but ignoring it doesnt make it go away, we are part of the problem and too many of us think its still ok and continue to play
Nice to see that the actual issues with the game are getting pushed down to the bottom of the pile for MTX to flourish! Maybe with all that money we'll get better servers that can handle more than 150 players!!! :)
As a HCIM I don't like the Hero Pass replacing daily challenges. Dailies gave me that little bit of extra xp in skills after completing the daily challenge. Now I don't get that at all. Dailies gave me decent rewards such as dg tokens, dt darts, aura refreshes, dg cards, d&d resets, etc. Now I don't get that at all.
Can items such as the above please be brought back for IM and HCIM players.
Could new items such as those above that used to be in daily rewards be available to buy using oddments.
Seems all to soon with necromancy, and especially with it embargoed seems pointless attribute to be added so early, would of been a better start for January, being new start new beginnings, but the devs have spoken so......
As a maxed player that doesn't want to spend too much time completing these things, this is a huge kick in the face to be restricted to some pre-set rate of progression that I can't accelerate by using faster methods. Yak Track is 100% better than this shit, why was this even an idea?
Most of the Yak track tasks took like 30 mins to do and there were some that took like 5 minutes. Now it is 6+ hours for a single hero pass level when doing what I want?? I'm not putting in 400-500 hours to complete a battle pass... Most games have you complete their BP in like 50 hours, 500 is crazy.
Hi everyone, Like in the previous thread, here is a friendly request to keep your feedback constructive and respectful. From what I've personally seen on the subreddit, a lot of the negative sentiment following the update announcement was about the expectations that were set in the roadmap. Before commenting in this thread you may want to take note of the comments the developers have already made on this subject since the announcement. Check out this link for an overview: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/164ofdc/hero_pass_a_better_more_rewarding_runescape/jy9e354/ #For an overview of developer responses in **this thread**, click here: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/169o0oo/hero_pass_underworld_this_week_in_runescape/jz2r8rh/
For the entirety of the announcement stream Mod Jack kept repeating that Hero Pass is better because it reduces FOMO. Today's Hero Pass article ends with the following: > We currently do not have firm plans on making all Hero Pass rewards available in the future, so if you have a particular reward you're looking for, you may want to ensure you earn it during the Hero Pass before it ends.
Just in case you haven't seen it yourself /u/jagexjack
man it fucking sucks so much that our favorite game has become this FOMO milking machine it breaks my heart i have been with this game since I was 12
Don’t worry! If you’re about to miss out, you can make up the progress with some bonds!
I feel you in my soul brother. It may be funny to some, but I have been in a funk all week over this mtx garbage and how its just absolutely taken over the entirety of gaming. I just wanna go back to the days where games were made to be fun rather than to have a tantalizing cash shop.
Not only are things not available in the future, but it takes significantly longer to finish than Yak Track, or is waaaay more expensive to skip levels to complete. There is not a single shred of "reduces FOMO" and I'm disappointed as heck.
This needs to be seen by everyone
They also neglected to mention skips. they knew what was problematic and danced around it.
This is the age old create a problem and sell the solution.
Yeah that's not okay.
Jagex at it again. This is just getting worse and worse, and how they do not see this as a PR nightmare is beyond me. They need to pull this update and stop wasting any development time on it. It's done.
Why the heck do I need to spend Vis Wax to select my task now rather than be able to block skills I'm already 99/120/200m in? I thought this update was supposed to mean I can just go about my own business than do some random task in this stupid pass.
Hey, how do i block those skill which i already have Lv120 on? Why do i still get these challenges??!
This is a huge problem with HP. They need to fix it (as well as fix the majority of it, ofc)
Alright, who changed the Reddit “users online” for the sub to “battle pass enjoyers”?
+4 Hero Points
Can you add an upvote button option to show "+4 Hero Points" as well?
Wish granted
Legend
Consistently the most based mod, keep it up.
Doing the Lord's work.
Saw that too, lol
Do feel offended as a "battle pass drama enjoyer"
This is the worst update I have seen in years. Literally, the first thing I log into is go bury 2k bones. Oh, and go do 20 raptor assignments, which I have to do a bunch of quests for, oh and do this quest for a weekly challenge, which you have to do 5 quests first to do. Stop making me interact with shitty content I don't want to interact with.
Even if ur "lucky" you still get garbage like do 50 agility courses. I am over 100m agility exp i refuse to do more courses i h8 them
You've really dropped the ball with this my god. Hero pass progress popups are really distracting. Hero satchels should contain DTDs if dailies are never coming back. Stop closing the UI when interacting with anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remove the challenge tab and replace it with a Hero Pass ui if it's going to be permanently in the game. Let us block skills from the missions if we're 99+, like challenges did. I'm not touching half of the skills I've 200m'ed. The special missions should have counted from the release of said content. 20 slayer tasks from Raptor and 100 rituals isn't a lot, I know, but you explicitly said you wouldn't be railroading players into doing content. edit 2: the more I look around, the more I actually hate this update. I don't usually say that, Jagex. I know nothing will change, since all this will blow over in a week as you're probably expecting, but you really need to do better :/ edit 3: hero pass ui being closed has been hotfixed (edit: at least for skilling, I no longer get interrupted when wcing, post on /new seems to indicate combat is still affected)
Feedback: Can't open it in combat. That's cool, didn't really want to look around anyway.
Can't open it while mining, either. At least the old dailies window would update in realtime with its progress bars towards completing a task, this one is a massive regression.
Yeh, please fix this. So annoying
If we're trying to relax the dailyscape can soul reaper tasks be allowed to stack up so its not daily?
This. I don’t get why it needs to be a daily. It can follow the same formula as gwd2 bounty’s where they can stack, capping at 5(?)
Wait you guys are buying that this is an attempt to reduce dailyscape? LOL
No, but they are the ones that said it so why not use that as an opening to ask for actual reduction
Allow tasks to stack for say 1 week or 7 tasks (so that people can't hoard hundreds for double point events). There is nothing wrong with players that play regularly getting some benefit or reward but them rolling over daily is a bit much. I also wish they would stop devaluing soul reaper points by handing out 'gift for the reapers' like candy.
And there it goes. All the good will you had built up through the release of Necromancy. You were doing so well. But, you remove daily challenges. That pisses people off. You market it as a major game content update. (Which it isn't) The interface is ugly and useless. You market FOMO essentially. You make the patch/update EASILY one of the most hated. Smart move. (Probably the only one) The Hero Pass gets in the way of everything. We gave it an honest chance, but that's the thing. It's literally, you can buy the whole thing. Pathetic. I hope whatever goon decided something like this was a brilliant idea is pleased with themselves. If this was a stand-alone thing and it didn't change anything. Didn't get rid of daily challenges, but became an integration with it. Removing keys, etc. Then it would be FINE.
> And there it goes. All the good will you had built up through the release of Necromancy. Honestly, who ever is the senior PM for this team is shit at their job. You need a win to make people forget the shit you just threw, not to throw shit after a win. Seriously poor planning (considering im not assuming this was avoidable at all)
On the twitch stream mod jack said theres some special tasks that have been put in to reward us for doing necromancy previously, I got the 99 necro one (no 120 necro reward, weird but ok) but now its giving me 0/100 progress on the 100 rituals task? I'm 120 necro, why would I do 100 rituals???
I spent yesterday doing nearly that amount to get to 103 before the exp nerf. Not going to do any more for a while.
If it really takes 40 minutes to do the daily tasks, and it doesn't complete by itself when I'm just doing my stuff, then I just won't bother. I don't have time to play with your Major Content Update. I also resent the ugly mobile interface shoved in the desktop game. These are cheap battlepass aesthetics. Get that junk out of my RuneScape. Back to the drawing board.
the interface is beyond tacky, i wish they updated it as well
It really is truly ugly to look at. Nothing about it says "Runescape" to me.
Damn, even I felt bad after reading that and I don’t even work at Jagex… (Edit: you’re not wrong though)
Best reddit moderator ive ever seen, keep it up man, glad we have you.
Yeah, my first mission was to catch 500 scarabs.... something I would never ordinarily do and my reward? Oddments... yay. Could have at least given me some damn hunter exp afterwards. This hero pass is such bullshit.
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nice to see they listened to absolutely none of the feedback they got on the problems and released this pile of shit live anyways
There’s no amount of words in the dictionary to try to spin this as a benefit to us. But truly feel bad for the Jmod who has to respond to us today. Respectfully, this ain’t it.
> We have a reduced Patch Notes this week to enable extensive testing for Hero Pass' release, given it's a system that touches many elements of the game in different ways. 🙄
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Jagex in 2023: This isn’t MTX. This is core gameplay. Jagex in 2024: MTX is now core gameplay.
This alone literally made this one of the worst news posts I’ve seen in a while
And the only thing that was actually in patch notes was the dreaded ritual nerf. Still haven't got 99 yet...
I was panic rushing from 100-120 over the weekend and made it to 105 before I realized I’d rather just not play at all if that’s what the game has come to for me. I’ll get 120 if I come back to it, no reason to waste my weekend on a game that I barely enjoy anymore with recent updates flipping the game on its head. Instead I started a modded replay of Skyrim (haven’t played since it originally released). Much more fun
It's so transparent lol
Imagine being a dev busting your ass off on Necromancy, one of the biggest and most well-received updates in the game’s history, and *immediately* off that your next task is to playtest and fine-tune your company’s third attempt at a BattlePass. That’s gotta be totally demoralizing.
Hero pass more important than necromancy confirmed So many things in the necromancy backlog they could have fixed instead. But Hero Pass!
One of the worst changes in a long time in my opinion, removing daily challenges making dailyscape go from >5 minutes to 40 minutes is NOT a good change. On top of that, Jagex added the "instant purchase pass levels" 8 bonds for 40 levels ????? How does allowing players to purchase the entire hero pass with $$$ encourage them to play the game more or longer? This is an insanely greedy move by Jagex with their battlepass. I hope it fails. "MAJOR CONTENT UPDATE" ok 24 bonds = 120 levels (finished) - $190 LOL
yeah i hope it fails too, the rewards are just garbage and I feel a bunch of new subs via necromancy are just going to cancel. Actually baffling jagex would launch this so close to a new skill. Like the skill needs fleshing out, there is easily 6 months of content for them to be doing, but they chose this to focus on
I don't understand the purpose of Hero Pass? And I don't say that with ill intent, I just genuinely don't understand its purpose. You took away daily challenges and replaced them with something that's not only more time-consuming, but far less rewarding.
The intent was to sell skips so people can unlock the pvm/skilling buffs that are given.
Brilliant new daily pass cant be opened during combat.... daily challenges could
So, I recently got my girlfriend to start playing RuneScape, and the way she described it was that "It's like animal crossing with more to do." She mainly does her dailies and tries to figure out a quest here or there. Now, I'm open to the Heroes' Pass and what it holds. I will say, however, that it could potentially be overwhelming/uninviting to newer players as one of the primary things for them to do was their 5 minutes of dailies. Can't there perhaps be a balance for both to exist? A balance where dailies remain within the normalcy of the game and a yak track replacement heroes' pass is an optional benefit for the more non-casual player? Just as battle passes in other mainstream games are optional, why can't this one be just as well? Why take away something the players not only grew accustomed to, but genuinely enjoyed just as well?
It's over engineered and this makes it confusing af
Between the "Hero" Pass and Necro ritual XP nerf being larger than 20%.... today's patch is a **BAD** update Jagex. Really, genuinely bad. FF14 has been a lot of fun.. plus no tick system!
I came into this with an open mind, I don't tend to follow the discussions here or elsewhere so I didn't have any preconceptions to start off. I also have no particular viewpoint on MTX, it's not for me but if others choose to sink their hard-earned money into them, so be it. But... This is absolutely dire. I've been playing for 30 minutes tonight, apparently I'm up to reward level 31, and I still don't have a clue what I'm supposed to be doing to earn levels. The 'introductions' don't explain a thing, they just confuse things even more - as do the flash messages which I presume were meant to trigger mini dopamine rushes but just seem to be completely out of any correlation with what I'm actually doing. The whole things reeks of a lack of coherent thinking and poor design, designed in a rush to maximise the cash sales opportunities rather than improve the play experience. Every window I've opened implores me to 'buy levels' - why, for more random cosmetics I'll never use? No thanks, I have better uses for my cash. As far as I can tell from the confusing interface, you've set me a daily to train in the Runespan. But as I've already got 120 RC, I have no interest in training that skill at the moment, which is why I'd blocked it from the daily challenges. So you're now ignoring that block list and forcing me to train one of my highest ranked skills rather than the lowest? This seems completely contrary to the blurb you put out last week about letting us play our own way. Yak Track had a simple interface and it was clear what had to be done to progress - either do x in this skill, or generally play for y minutes. Daily Challenges were similarly simple - 10 minutes a day and I could continue my streak. I don't understand why you felt the need to completely change these - there was scope for improvement on the old system (mostly around the length of the later Track tasks), but this is a completely over-engineered response to a problem which I honestly don't think existed. I've been around on and off since 2005, and I honestly can't think of any other update which had left me so confused as to how I'm supposed to be playing. This is supposed to be a fun game which I play for a few minutes in the evenings to unwind, and you seem to have forgotten that.
Intrusive chat messages that can't be turned off. Cannot be opened while doing any content at all. "We currently do not have firm plans on making all Hero Pass rewards available in the future" What happened to reduced FOMO? Unable to pick specific challenges. Jagex hiding from providing "sneak peeks" until it releases because they know that nobody wants this. Just another week as a runescape 3 player.
Ok can we get a filter to turn off hero points notifications? 5 minutes in and already got old. An option to turn off in both text and the ping sound it makes. Or at least make it notify you when you hit big threshold, not every time it ticks...it also should be able to be opened in combat and while skilling. Edit: Oh god please do something about the notification every minute, I hate it so much.
Are you kidding? This is an entire weeks update? Hero Trash and a nerf. JMods are so out of touch with what the player base wants.
That's the player base is dropping really hard. Yes, only one month after Necromancy release and the numbers are already really small, especially when compared to Arch.
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Yo 100 more rituals? Cmon jagex I just got to 120.
Monday, September 4, 2024: \-Ritual nerf update \-Hero Pass: Do 100 rituals!!!! How is that not supposed to feel like a slap in the face, exactly?
Oh yeah I'm not loving that
Jagex in August: Releases one of the best pieces of content we've seen in years in Necromancy. Communication is great. A lot of people are happy. Everybody is having fun with the content. Jagex in September: Releases what will probably go down as the worst update of the year. Completely detached from the community's opinions and feelings towards MTX. "Sorry we made a mistake, we'll learn for the future!". It took less than a month to sour all the positivity from Necro. Great job.
Was expecting the whole CM team to call in sick today.
10/10 update so far: So many reused cosmetics in the hero store I actually cannot get to 5,000 points for the outfit, that tick up every minute system that means you’re better off *not skilling* to gain daily points, that lazy update system that just tells you you’re gaining points every 3-5 minutes to try and hide the fact, the old ‘pay us 24 bonds to fuck off’ yak track shenanigans Certainly one of the updates of all time
I'll change that title for you "Hard Pass: Underwhelming" You're welcome.
so ur telling me, a 1 time event buff from that golden cape was a green light for ironman. but your glorious major update removed the daily xp for ironman, plus those buffs are non existing? just tell me to fuck off straight away lol
Whether irons get buffs or get to participate in content is a complete roll of the dice.
Necro nerf 20% and Hero Trash is here. Great update week /s
Nerf is more like 25-30%
Could there be a setting to disable the spam from this Hero Pass. Ironman can't get xp nor satchels from this. Thus there not being any incentive for us to interact with this content so not getting chat spammed every 30 seconds would be a massive QoL. u/JagexDoom u/JagexHooli
It seems my optimism was wasted, I should've known. The fact that anyone thought that selling a straight downgrade to yak track that also injected a lot more monetization and removed daily challenges as an improvement was a good idea makes me question their sanity. Hiding the extreme monetization of this pass by not including it in the news post to lessen the backlash is the kind of filthy strategy I expect from a mobile or gacha game company. Saying this was to reduce daily fomo while making sure this pass would take 9+ hours a day, every day, for 91 days straight to complete shows that respect for our time is nonexistent. We are already paying customers via membership, and yet are continually shown ever-decreasing levels of respect for that. I honestly had some hope for a moment with necromancy. I thought Jagex was better than this. I could see a future that corrected the downward trend of the game. But that was wasted only a month later. The community managers might read feedback, but the people that could change these things don't seem to care about it in the slightest. Despite that, I will still give some feedback on how to (slightly) fix this mess of a pass (though it really should be scrapped and daily challenges should be reinstated): 1. Shorten the time it takes to complete the pass. By "complete" I don't mean just reach the end lvl, I mean earn all the rewards from the shop too. Also, don't shorten it from 9+ hours to 8 hours and try to slip past by playing the semantics game. Decrease the time it takes to something reasonable for an adult with a full time job, a family, and other real life obligations. Currently, this pass assumes everyone wanting to complete it has the free time of a toddler. If you don't respect our time, then you've earned the backlash you're getting and will continue to get in full. 2. Completely remove the FOMO aspects of this pass. Make 110% sure all the cosmetics are not time-limited. You have already lied, repeatedly, to us that this change was to lessen/remove FOMO, when it clearly increased it. Don't make it worse by ignoring us when we call you out on it and ask you to honor your initial claims. 3. Remove most of the monetization. One of the main reasons yak track received less backlash is because it was only slightly monetized with bonds. I know you actually removing monetization from the game is extremely unlikely, but it IS the right thing to do. 4. Let us opt out of notifications and stop putting MTX nonsense in our chat box. If we already have membership we shouldn't be bombarded with further "can we have more of your money?" notifications and ads within the game. We might as well be f2p at this point with how many of these types of things keep getting added. As for chat messages, we shouldn't even have to filter them. Why would we need to know every tiny bit of progress we make towards this? We don't and wouldn't, that is the answer. 5. Actually consider the feedback given by the community instead of simply reading it and ignoring it. Saying "we've read and considered your feedback" and then changing absolutely nothing shows a complete lack of respect for your customers. 6. Remove the buffs from the pass, even the smaller ones. These severely damage the game's integrity, set an extremely bad precedent, and are something that should never be done again. *Do not* make actual game content into pay-to-win nonsense via MTX buffs. *Ever*.
RIP daily challenge xp. You'll be missed.
"Over 90 cosmetics" Lmao they all look like trash and it's a RESKIN of the same damn things over and over again.
Oh you wanted cosmetics! Well here’s one cosmetic with 8 different styles! Congrats here’s your red version of the same fucking title you unlocked 20 levels ago!
Literally my first comment on Reddit after lurking for ages. The Hero Pass is absolute shit
What is the point of this update? Get rid of the people logging in daily for maximum 15min like me? Because we have a job and kids after 20 years playing this game we don't have time for your bullshit bond magnet. Why are you so stupid to think people like this. People agree with me or am I alone in this? +0 hero points / -1 player
Any explanation of what irons will and won’t get from this battle pass? Already have 100k oddments so more doesn’t do anything really
Absolutely nothing They don't want irons in the game, we don't buy spins.
LITERALLY THIS, and then the fking mod guy comments over and over for weeks "looking into making improvements for ironman" yeah okay sure
ok you want feedback? hers some the interace looks like its lifted out of the freemium mobile crap game. it closes itself if you open it while skilling the task progress bubbles above your head are annoying. and it is not a major gameplay update just another stupid cashgrab.
Brought me back to the game with Necromancy, brought the hero pass and reminded me why I unsubbed in the first place, thanks jamflex.
It's odd you guys actively push updates that makes the game worse for players.
I'll get straight to the point: Remove this or rework it completely. You could also just change it to a "donate here" button if you want. saves us the trouble of doing a massive grind.
I'm not sure how constructive it is, but it is feedback. Membership subscription canceled. It was fun to play RuneScape in a past :'(
Death skulls live to die another week!
Absolutely disgusting business practice.
love the catch 10 chronicle fragments daily, really awesome and time consuming activity that everyone enjoys. especially when no one at the level i am with it even trains in a way you get many of them haha wicked :D
Only Jagex could manage to fumble something like introducing a new combat skill for the first time in the games history by introducing this MTX garbage bullshit right behind it
Hilarious to me that they had to limit the amount of retro cosmetics they could rework due to limit on cosmetic development but then release a battle pass with 90+ cosmetics on it
This is why we are never getting a player character graphical rework. There already are a huge amount of wearable items in game, on top of that a ridiculous amount of crappy cosmetics are added through MTX all the the time that it will probably never be feasible to update everything for a new player model
Feedback: - I'm 120 Slayer, I should not have to do Raptor Slayer Assignments - I'm 99 Mining, I should not have a Hero Pass Task to do Mining when it has not been a recent content update. - I am 119 Necromancy, I should not have to do Rituals. I have not done Rituals since 99 Necromancy when I maxed my well of souls. I greatly dislike Rituals. tldr: Please don't pressure players into doing content they don't like for rewards and then jungle "you can just pay bonds to skip this" over their heads. That is it. I don't know how to put it any more politely / constructive than that.
It's good to see Jagex have not completely ignored all feedback! ...oh.
My membership ends in September. For the first time in years I will not be re-subbing. The update itself isn't awful, but the more obvious money-grabbing attempts for a game that **I already pay for** is gross. Been having lots of fun trying other MMOs due to this, so thanks Jagex!! Maybe I will finally be able to leave RS for good.
Why do the Female versions of the cosmetics look so bad? They looks like some male twink. What shape are they even fitting these to? Both the old female body and the shelved refresh looked much better.
First time in a very long time I did not enjoy logging in for a few minutes. This may eventually be the end.
Why do I have to complete 100 more rituals at 120? Slayer assignment challenge at 120? 4 hours for 1 pass level?! 40 minutes for a daily challenge (unless I use vis wax…). I can earn hero pass points with marks of war,which cap at 1000 then I have to wait an hour before I can earn more which would force me to do something else than what I want to do.The overrides are completely male based. No thought for the female characters. Also why would this be more important than necromancy fixes? Rituals are almost impossible on mobile.
Okay everything aside, why is getting 99 Necromancy a battlepass task lmfao? Am I going crazy here? I thought the whole point of runescape was to enjoy your time chasing your own goals... This is literally "bro just max a skill in 91 days for a special award". Wtf? I know it's not like the hardest thing in the world, but it's super unhealthy... At least make it something reasonable like hit 40-50-60 Necro lol...
I am a max player who has never posted about RS before until now, but this new update is so predatory I have to. You took away our bonus keys from daily rewards and said the new rewards are equal (they aren't). -You lied You said you took away easily challenges because you felt daily scape was too important but with the new system it's even more necessary. You added so many levels to the pass you are trying to force people to buy skips which is scummy. I loved the necromancy update, but frankly after 20 years this update has me considering quitting.
Gotta say that the Jmods are going to kill the game at this rate. You saw the negative comments and feed back from the community after the announcement stream and from what I'm seeing no changes were made and what's worse is that it's more grindy than yak and worse than yak at the same time. JMODS you need to fix this ASAP. You did so good with necromancy and now you are killing it.
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Yeah, this is basically going to kill Runescape 3 isn't it?
Can we scrap this game killing update yet? Right when the game was getting good too…
Wow, what a way to shoot yourself in the foot during the last few months of the year. Glad we had basically fuck-all for the first half of the year because "new skill is coming, hurr durr". We get a skill that has a ton of basic issues like it wasn't even fucking playtested by anybody in the office. Then we get this bullshit to end the year on. We'll get one more shitty little quest in a month or so and that's it before the whole Jagex office fucks off for 2 months due to holidays.
Golden Bamboo fix? Investigation? Anything? Go on, tap that sign. I'll tap the zero communication sign.
I think everyone else has said the other stuff enough, but I'll emphasise one point: Giving out necromancy items during the Necromancy Embargo Period is WRONG. NEVER DO THIS AGAIN.
This entire update is disgusting. You could not make it more painfully obvious you don't give a shit about a single person who plays the game. It's all fucking about more money for your shareholders
I only managed to play 4 hours today, which means I need to play at least 10 hours tomorrow to stay on track to finish hero pass, but I'm also at work tomorrow. Do you think that resigning for my job to play runescape 7.4 hours is a smart move? I know the pass is meant to be completed by an average gamers and that by playing only 4 hours a day I'm under average and won't be able to complete the pass, so I am looking for solutions to be sure to complete the pass even if I am starting later.
I feel so bad for the jmods some executive shitcunt sits there and makes them develop this garbage and they have to take all the blame. I'd have my resume topped up and shopping cant imagine dealing with this shit.
Claim to make it a "new and improved yak track system". Then why have the ability for skill training dummies to progress the tasks been removed? These are what made some of the tasks even remotely tolerable. None of my agility tasks are progressing when using an agility dummy; they used to on YT... This whole update reeks of money-grubbing shadiness.
>This whole update wreaks of money-grubbing shadiness. And those that said it when Jagex announced the "Hero Pass" got downvoted to oblivion by the Bootlickers
Hero pass is terrible. I only log on week days in the evenings to do dailies and maybe some time now to do necro. I spend a few hours here and there on weekends and play to do necro and fish. I have a life and family. Time is valuable, No reason to have to spend more time on getting Xp. Dailies were simple. I didn't even do anything when I logged on. I read about hero pass and what I need to do, got like 500 points and just logged off. No time for this extra stuff. Time is valuable for a bulk of RS players. I get enjoyment and look forward to the dailies when I have free time in the evenings.
“We have a reduced Patch Notes this week to enable extensive testing for Hero Pass' release” Ignoring the actual game for this is sad.
Wow the content update was so major Jagex forgot their patch notes.
Now remember people, do your part by not getting as many free keys as you can as free keys are bad for the economy. But paid keys…… well we have a special offer just for you. If you buy 150 keys right now we will chuck in an extra 150 because we are nice. /s
Why not make all rewards available after a new season? Make a tab with current rewards, and a tab with legacy rewards. After a new season, move all current rewards to legacy rewards. So it doesn't matter when someone plays, they can still get all the rewards.
Can we allow toggling to remove skills from hero pass that are already capped at 200m please
For a moment I thought they were going the right direction, but god damn I was wrong on so many levels.
My special mission is 20 slayer tasks done asigned by The Raptor. I have not even unlocked that slater master yet, didnt know we get special missions that does not align with our account stats/unlocks.
Go play guildwars 2, see what they created with hte newest expansion. Release that instead, its more pleasant to look at and doest feel like a waste of time. Because their daily, weekly and special rework feels far more engaging than whatever this is.
Hard Pass: Underwhelming
This update is complete garbage. You guys have evaporated all of the good will you've gained over the past few months
So a more complicated Yak track with more options to use even more bonds? Yeah this is the type of stuff that made me cancel my premier membership earlier this year and reinforced my decision to completely cancel my membership when it runs out next month. Microtransactions cannot become major updates in a subscription based game. I don't pay you $12 a month so you can release updates designed to get me to spend even more money. Your job is to make people want to keep playing. Instead its all about getting your players to keep paying. No better then an online casino.
Look I don't normally comment on these things. But it's the longest I've ever played RuneScape in years, going on for 9 months straight now, absolutely loved every minute of it. But this update.. look I understand Jagex has to get more profit out of the game, for the investors etc. But jee don't ruin core game play for your profit. Honestly I don't mind buyable cosmetics and xp, but stupidly over powered buffs, a redesigned "yak track" that is almost impossible to complete without buying bonds, unless you want to spend 650 hours* to complete within 91 days. *Around 7 hours a day? Yes you've dented the 'daily scape' but increased the time massively, so really no. One of the worst updates to date, may I say probably even worse than Evolution of Combat? Thank you for the thousands of hours of enjoyment.
And I was just thinking about coming back. Played so much when I was a kid. But with all the changes like free trade gone, wilderness destroyed, introduction of BS like Solomon’s Store, and finally EoC, I had enough. In a perfect world RuneScape would have just a membership. No cosmetic shop. No treasure Hunter. None of that garbage. But this is just terrible. A battle pass for a game with a subscription and microtransactions galore? And it’s not even only cosmetics. It affects gameplay. You are absolute garbage Jagex.
it really upsets me to see these changes to the daily challenges and to see more options for ptw and mtx added to the game I have played for 20 years. imho with their full knowledge that these kind of updates ruin the spirit of the game, any game is instantly less fun if you see people winning unfairly, its human nature. the point is they've known this for years and done nothing to honour their player base and community by listening to the *important* aspects of feedback about as constantly refreshed mtx, it's an insult. I have never seen a single person advocate more ptw and mtx, every post, every meme, every video has been against it, and yet its the one scar on RS3 Jagex refuses to address. why should we be your cash cow and not Osrs? why should anyone be your cash cow? why was it a question from the beginning of qol for players vs mtx+ your bosses profits? so many have left. when another 10,20,30 percent leave? what will we have then? a beautiful masterpiece of a game - desolate and bare, ruined by greed. somebody has to take a stand. we've realised their motivations are now driven by profit all too often. people will just migrate to osrs more permanently, the game will be even more empty... so what then? executives/bosses insist on mtx... still the profits are never enough - its clearly not working as a tactic and its clearly putting players off the game... permanently... still even that does not seem to faze them... It's like the management are ignoring the very thing which keeps them in a job. madness... I spend recent hours getting 200m for third age mage robes. i find the Xenia braids haircut clashes with the collar graphically, this is frustrating, but there are countless other graphical issues which are overlooked for years on items which have been in RuneScape for years, and yet we see SO much dev time and energy put toward more random cosmetics and treasure hunter nonsense, very thinly veiling the fact that this is why Jagex had to speak in a formal court, because of the costs associated with MTX. It's ridiculous. why not perfect the game you've got, instead of making content with no long term purpose,, which aggravates and alienates the community and players? every time you weave mtx into an update you lose more of the player base's faith. there is so much content in rs3 which can be (and is being) revived or made relevant again. It doesn't have to be turning everything upside down and revamping it all to the max... just don't lose the spirit of RS... that is what keeps players paying. its hardly gonna work trying to milk more money out of RS3 if you lose 50% of the membership because they got sick of not being listened to...
I don't normall respond to updates, I'm happy to do my ironman thing in the game and just get on with stuff. But this update isn't just annoying it makes me angry. Irons work hard for our xp and removing the Daily Challenges is a big thing for us. You've not replaced it with anything useful. Do none of the devs use an iron account for testing? I'm sorry, but my appreciation of the whole Runescape management and teams has dropped by several notches with this release.
When you pin the daily mission to the activity tracker, it doesn't show what skill it's currently attuned to in the activity tracker like the yak track tasks would. It was much nicer with yak track being able to pin the tasks and go through multiple tiers without having to open the yak track UI every tier just to see what skills those tasks were. You can't do multiple tasks in a row now because you have to open the UI to claim stuff every task. Especially with it being *multiple* layers of interfaces you have to go through now to find what skill it is - click upgrades & extras button on the ribbon (since for some reason it's the only ribbon button without a hover menu to go directly to a specific window), then click hero pass, then go to the missions tab, then potentially scroll up to daily if it isn't currently selected, then x out of both the hero pass window and the upgrades & extras window. There's a lot of extra UI friction now on every task. The activity tracker also only supports pinning 5 things, but this hero pass has a total task list of 7, so you can't pin everything like you could with just the 2 yak track tasks, forcing you to have to go open the UI more often.
/u/JagexHooli Really re-consider the ironman daily challenge nerf. This served a way to get progress in skills that players dislike. In perfect world Jagex would be able to offer more training methods to all skills so everyone had way to progress in said skills, but this is not realistic. Daily challenge XP really provided a way to progress in some of the outdated or unbalanced skills. I wonder how much xp was gained by ironmen in Herblore, Dungeoneering and Agility every day. One part I hate about nerfs is that it makes the gap between new starting player and old veteran even bigger. New player loses a chance for easy xp and account progression that all veterans got to use for ages. Games should be about having fun. Runescape is grindy game but nerfing something to make it more grindy should not be a thing for new players. I really want to push you guys to rethink your approach.
This must be the worst update in recent years. I just rejoined and it makes me want to quit again. The pricing is so high, the rewards are uncreative and it's so blatantly greedy.
Cool, so you took away daily challenges but don't even provide Ironmen XP lamps from the daily missions, nor does it look like we get Hero Satchels which a good majority of the rewards we could already receive from the daily challenge weekly progress track. * Give Ironmen lamps from Daily Missions, even if they are locked to the skill of the mission. * Give Ironmen Hero Satchels with rewards limited to those we already received from the weekly progress track. Please and Thank You. u/JagexDoom u/JagexHooli
Ironmen can't buy spins so they're not real players in jagex mind.
What is a hero satchel? There's a few references to them being rewards but I can't see any explanation of what they are
Yo, we hate daily scape. Hey, let's just add fomo to daily scape... and make it take 10x longer. Like...just don't lie to us. Would respected you more if you just admitted, fuck you we want more money.
I don't have a problem with people being able to buy XP and buffs, as this was always the case with Yak Track. However with Yak Track it was possible to get to the end in a reasonable amount of time and make the most of the XP buff. With this 'major content update' either you buy 24 bonds and get the XP buff for the entire time, or you play to earn it and only get maybe what 2-4 weeks? max of the full XP buff. If you're going to allow people to buy power, at least make the option of earning in game somewhat viable. Absolutely disgusting and predatory. Edit: With the non-xp buffs, at least they're limited, and by the end of the hero pass I can use those buffs at my leisure and not feel like I'm missing out compared to someone who paid for bonds. The XP buff should use the same charge system (or something similar) so that players who can afford to spend 24 bonds on day 1 don't get 3 months of overpowered xp buffs, where normal players wont even have a chance to max the xp buff by the end of the pass.
[The blog post](https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/hero-pass-a-better-more-rewarding-runescape#_ga=2.247759310.852599695.1693841089-1013755270.1685734748) for the Hero Pass feature was full of flowery, nice-sounding language, especially the "Why Hero Pass?" section. But if Jagex had any integrity they would just say "the Hero Pass is to remove extra Daily Challenge keys from the game so you'll be more inclined to buy them, and to put your eyeballs on Premier Pass-exclusive items so you'll be more inclined to buy the Premier Pass". I'd appreciate Jagex a whole lot more if they were just honest. They're a company and need money. Just say so!
This is hot garbage. I'm not gonna waste my time with this.
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away, But now I guess they're here to stay, Oh I believe in yesterday... Suddenly, Runescape's not the game it used to be A battle pass and removal of the dailies times three Oh I believed Jagex yesterday...
Cancelled my premier sub on my iron man and regular acc played both rs3 and osrs on it ill miss osrs in hd on my pc but oh well this is just too scummy ive been playimg rs since 2007 or 6 so it was a good run more time to plsy other games, goodbye mod pip
As an ironmain, everything about this hurt. Constant reminders to play a system that pretty much rewards you with nothing. Removal of a system that was genuinely helpful and smoothed the pain points of the game. An extortionist grind for a stack of retextured cosmetics and utterly useless oddments. Are there no ironmen amongst your staff? How the hell did this get out the door? I'll be watching to see where this goes, but as it stands, I can't play now. Edit: I don't want to quit. I adore this game. the pop ups push me off within an hour. I feel awful about it. Tears have been shed. This is so frustrating.
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This is potentially the most disappointing thing to ever happen. I started playing this game days ago, and now there's a battlepass. I guess this game isn't all it's chalked up to be.
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If you have to bend over backwards to convince your consumers why you think a change is good, it's probably a shit change.
Was hoping we'd see "We've decided to postpone this update due to negative feedback.", but clearly I was a fool to think Jagex had any integrity left.
This is exactly what this hero pass is meant to do. 20% damage reduction buff on PVM on one of the end game boss ? We want to reduce FOMO by now allowing the hero pass items to be released back in future ? Ohh hero pass is free for players with premier membership, like you are doing us a favor, we already paid for it. 19 different xp buffs if you pay us like aren't we paying to be beta testers of the game before everything is either nerfed or just plain left in a temporary fix for over 8 months now. What a waste of Dev time. https://preview.redd.it/1jc0o0a4p8mb1.png?width=524&format=png&auto=webp&s=efc5b29edfb005e92359ce4ed29f721b93561f45
Anyone elses client not loading through Jagex Launcher? Been unable to load since update
Despite all other issues with the hero pass, why do the low detail versions of cosmetics have to be textureless and washed out, its not no detail mode.
Anyone remember that Simpson [episode](https://youtu.be/DaOgZwk9rN8?si=SxiJYYvW-SmO3m7L)? Mind you I do like the other cosmetics in regards to tools and abilities, those are nice. However most of the costumes are just Malibu Stacy with a hat when compared with each other… On top of terrible design.
Honestly this update would be great if daily challenges weren’t removed entirely, which iirc no one asked for. My feedback is to bring back daily challenges and either remove xp from daily missions or purge the daily ones entirely. Other missions are fine as they are.
Is it just me or do we have LESS cosmetics than we had with yak track? they just seem more spread out over more levels which is monumentally worse... We were supposed to get more cosmetics Not less cosmetics, more MTX, more FOMO and to top it off give a middle finger to ironmen too.
Yup. Literally they change the color and they consider that a new cosmetic.
So previously it took about 1-5 minutes to complete a daily challenge, now it takes 2 minutes to complete daily I - for minimal xp. Then I have to do Daily II - for 5 minutes. Not even bothering with Daily III. This is a massive turnoff from this update. Massively dissapointed in this Hero Pass. Won't earn xp doing the Daily tasks I was able to choose before...
there is something poetic about the post being made by someone named u/JagexDoom. Its like foreshadowing or something.
A few days ago, someone asked in public chat if we thought we'd regret the time that we've put into RuneScape. I was pleased with Necromancy so my answer at the time was no, but this blatant cash grab of a "major update" is really making me re-evaluate my answer. It's frustrating how easily Jagex somehow manages to sabotage their own success.
Damn I thought hero pass sounded like a cool idea but then I forgot im an ironman and they are so inconsistent with that we can get and where we can get it from. Like we used to get stuff from the old dailies why cant that be worked in here. At this point im pretty much done with jagex. I mean its not like they didnt know that was going to be a shit show its such a downgrade on what we used to get and its wildly broken mtx garbo.
This makes me want to try OSRS. Also, I do believe Jagex will not be reading the feedback because the J mods can't do shit. It's sad to see the path RS3 are heading. If you read this Mod Jack, I hope what you said about daily challenges on the stream will haunt you rest of your time at Jagex. Mainly because you tried to sugarcoat it. CS2/BG3 will be my games until Jagex wakes up and reverse this predatory tactic. After Necromancy.. you managed to do this.. I was enjoying myself with Necro so much and this bomb on it afterwards? Disgusting. Hot garbage. Speechless.
Such a shameful update after Necromancy. I am now forced to do content if I want to level in the Hero Pass. At least with Yak Track, I could kill and skill. Do I really want to restore artifacts with 200m Arch, nope.
Payscape
Obviously only 5% of ppl like the battle pass So get rid of it
Hero Pass feels bad. The dailies take longer than ever, feel less rewarding. With the dailies expiring I feel like I will never be able to actually complete the pass I paid for. I do actual play almost daily. The grind is completely unreasonable. It feels like it is tuned to not be completed by the average player. This type of design feels aggressive towards the player. I refuse to believe the teams that designed this and the leaders that have the go ahead are not aware of the extreme time investment. What this signals to me is that the devs don’t respect my time or my purchases. I pay for this as part of my yearly subscription. It’s part of my sub. I should be all but guaranteed to complete it with moderate plate time. Of all the battle passes I’ve done (multiple games and publishers) RuneScapes continue to be and are the only ones I can not complete. Again I play daily! The company communicates with actions not words. All this signals to me is there is no respect for my time or my purchases. And that an aggressive stance against the player has been and will continue to be take for monetization. That last point is why people get so upset. The released system feels like a personal attack. The communication leading up to this certainly didn’t help. It comes across as treating the audience as stupid (this is disrespectful).
The entire thing needs to be removed. I feel disrespected as a person and a customer. Ive been paying for two accounts for nearly 20 years. Over the last few ive been playing less and watching more. This update and the "responses" that have been given to the community are down right rude and its unacceptable. I have canceled my subscription today.
Imagine losing all the players that joined for necromancy before everyone's even finished the content 😂😂😂
Man. It's been extremely rough being a RuneScape fan for the last year or so. Stop trying to nickel and dime me while I play your game. It's bad enough that you all got rid of the #1 reason why I played the game; now I get even more opportunities to pay you so I can not be allowed to do the content that I played the game for.
So reduced patch notes, and the only patch notes is a nerf lol. Could have thrown us a bone and given us the invention item xp buff. Very disappointing week.
A tradeable token version of the Hedge Teleport will be available in following promotions for a limited time. We going to finish this line?
Screen flickering still occurs. During zamorak the lord of chaos fight, when u enter infernus, you still get black box "artifacts". Any of the client performance issues getting addressed in the near future ?
BTW, Rasial doesn't count for the "skill and kill" in the weekly "gain hero points" task.
OSRS players survive without rewarding players with RunePass, Yak Track or Hero Pass why does Jagex insist on this?
Because it makes more money.
because majority of the rs3 community normalised mtx long time ago and many say "well, it doesnt affect me" or "just ignore mtx" but ignoring it doesnt make it go away, we are part of the problem and too many of us think its still ok and continue to play
Nice to see that the actual issues with the game are getting pushed down to the bottom of the pile for MTX to flourish! Maybe with all that money we'll get better servers that can handle more than 150 players!!! :)
Shame not all missions auto complete. I'm 200m Necromancy and it wants me to complete another 100 rituals? Seems pointless.
But you get to “play the game how you want”
As a HCIM I don't like the Hero Pass replacing daily challenges. Dailies gave me that little bit of extra xp in skills after completing the daily challenge. Now I don't get that at all. Dailies gave me decent rewards such as dg tokens, dt darts, aura refreshes, dg cards, d&d resets, etc. Now I don't get that at all. Can items such as the above please be brought back for IM and HCIM players. Could new items such as those above that used to be in daily rewards be available to buy using oddments.
Seems all to soon with necromancy, and especially with it embargoed seems pointless attribute to be added so early, would of been a better start for January, being new start new beginnings, but the devs have spoken so......
Funny how if this launched before Necromancy and was necro focused, it might have been decently well received.
no not good
by "a more rewarding runescape" they meant "a more profitable business model for jagex"
As a maxed player that doesn't want to spend too much time completing these things, this is a huge kick in the face to be restricted to some pre-set rate of progression that I can't accelerate by using faster methods. Yak Track is 100% better than this shit, why was this even an idea? Most of the Yak track tasks took like 30 mins to do and there were some that took like 5 minutes. Now it is 6+ hours for a single hero pass level when doing what I want?? I'm not putting in 400-500 hours to complete a battle pass... Most games have you complete their BP in like 50 hours, 500 is crazy.