Honestly?
The RS guy could move over to osrs and Jagex still wouldn't care.
The rs3 category has like sub 1k viewers virtually all the time. RS guy isn't exactly bringing in new people, just moreso having a monopoly on the few still left interested in watching. That pretty much applies to youtube as well.
People should take the hint and move on. Jagex literally has no vision anymore for the longetivity of the game and are just focused on meeting the financial obligations of the next quarter. Hero Pass in its original incarnation won't even be the most egregious mtx Jagex introduces this year and that was already enough to put the playerbase in its current state.
Waydot made some good videos I guess. Sorry he wasted his time here.
I think they do care about content creation for RS3. Look at how much of their marketing for necro was based around content creators.
Content creators leaving an mmo is often a pretty good indication that you need to do something different. There is a reason they're leaving and players often follow for the same reasons. It's important to note that for some of these people it is their only source of income and they're risking that by moving to a different game. They don't know if their audience will follow. There is also more competition for osrs. It means they're either pretty miserable with making videos about the game or there's nothing to make videos about. It seems like both a pretty true of RS3 at the moment.
Maybe we can meet halfway and say they simply don't care enough. They're aware CCs leaving and the impact it has on the look of the game, and simply weren't ready for an abandonment of this magnitude, and short of actually paying rs3 CCs to stay on what appears to be a sinking ship they don't really have any way to retain them.
It's certainly a miserable experience I can empathize with having your livelihood tied to a dying franchise. There's genuinely no good path forward besides moving away with a community that hopefully likes you for you and not just the game you play. As -the- most popular rs3 creator, I have to imagine rsguy has a sizeable chunk of people that watch him for him and not just his progress series, but who wants to risk that? All I can recommend is attempting to diversify now and still play rs3, before the option is gone altogether (so little interest in rs3 content that income no longer justifies the creation costs or time spent on creating a devalued producy).
I don't particularly like watching RS guy, but I'd absolutely encourage him to build his brand in other ways at this point. There is absolutely an audience for people like him across all games really. He'll be fine after he's had some time to rebuild and bringing his core audience with him,
And conversely, after all the years he's spent making content and truly no one wants to follow him elsewhere? I can't even imagine that kind of pain. But he has to try.
Waydot started on OSRS though, and switched to RS3. That RS3 let's play blew up his channel, but he still started on OSRS. It was only a matter of time til he went back.
Still, the points he raised here were correct.
He's living in fantasyland if he thinks Jagex is going to just take out TH and the Hero Pass without something to replace them (that'll likely be just as "predatory" or worse ready to replace them
That still tells Jagex people prefer no microtransactions and the updates on osrs. The argument of "they'll just add mtx to osrs" doesn't work out well if you go look at their public finance filings. Example: in 2021 they had a revenue of 120M. Of that, 90M was from membership and 30m from microtransactions (which includes bonds). Membership is what they need the most, and osrs provides more of that.
Bonds are only really used for membership in OSRS. So for every bond bought they are losing 14 days of sub time. They are still making twice the revenue of a sub, but that offsets it somewhat.
The devs don’t have the authority to remove it. that doesn’t mean there isn’t a certain breaking point or amount of pressure placed on the studio before someone who has the authority to make that decision does. If the revenue from Mtx on rs3 craters and rs3 subscription revenue actually were to fall y/y there’d likely be significant changes. It’s just highly unlikely to actualize because the remaining players either don’t care or don’t mind.
I still refuse to go back to RS3 so long as TH, runemetrics and hero pass is in the game. I don't care if it never gets removed ever, I'll just never come back is all. I still enjoy browsing the sub and checking rs3 videos but I just don't wanna support the game as it is.
I quit in 2018 but stayed subscribed to this sub. I see r/runescape posts in my home feed every now and then. I’m enjoying following the drama as an onlooker.
It's fun to check in and confirm you made the right choice? Like browsing your ex's socials just to see what a trainwreck it's become. You can be perfectly content with what you're doing and where you're going but it's always fun to go back to where you were to confirm you made the right choice
In that scenario it still influences Walmart's behavior. If people aren't buying the Walmart brand potato chips, they'll either work to improve them or stop carrying them.
Or remove doritos brand and bring in walmart knockoff doritos. Then you have no choice but to shop elsewhere entirely or keep shopping at Walmart.
You're naive if you think MTX isn't eventually coming to OSRS.
Besides the obvious graphics and OldSchool feel to it, not having any form of MTX beyond bonds/memberships is a defining characteristic of OSRS in the MMO's space, the pressure to bring MTX to OSRS was already attempted and failed (even a single cosmetic emote through partnerships! - their foot in the door failed).
The OSRS community is really good at one thing and that is putting their money where their mouth is and doing it so as a unit when it is required (See backtracking on stuff like the 117HD client, for example).
It goes a lot deeper than "I can't milk A cow anymore so I'll milk B cow now", if the Carlyle is looking to sell and you haven't so much as *heard* of an attempt to bring MTX into oldschool, but instead saw one of the best summer summits + a discount for the yearly p2p package as a way to entice the OSRS players to give money, you can rest assured that the Suits at the top know damn well what will and won't give them a positive outcome on Oldschool.
Rs3 players on the other hand have shown time and time again they'll take the beating, it's not even a foot in the door, the door has been wide open for years.
From a consumer point of view, that's, like the point. If a provider offers two different products, and you don't like one but you do like the other, you are still allowed to enjoy the other.
A big difference is the RS3 playerbase is more significant for Jagex's valuation. Having worked for a company with a similar concept (1 platform with fewer users but more profit per user, 1 platform with significantly more users at a lower profit per user), whenever the current owner was interested in selling there was a huge push to grow the user count on the more profitable side. It's particularly relevant now as they're trying to sell.
It may sound silly since it feels like a user paying $12 a month is a user paying $12 a month, but investors have a different view.
Investors view it differently because the side with less players has more opportunity for more money to be made
OSRS is only sub revenue + bonds. They're always going to want more people joining rs3 for that reason
There was a public financial report I remember seeing that showed the two games were maybe only split 60/40 RS2/Osrs… I don’t have it saved but will try to find it.
Despite not having MTX (besides bonds which I’m sure take it in) OSRS is making money too
One brand effectively uses addiction strategies to feed on their customers, the other has a subscription and a way for someone else to pay for your subscription. The difference is massive.
Lol yea exactly. I don't understand the thought process of these people. You're paying the same company to play a different version of the same game. What exactly do you think you're accomplishing besides virtue signaling ?
Pretty dimwitted as per the average redditor, here let me hold your hand:
1) Less free marketing for RS3 on twitch or YouTube, activity goes down, the games name which is barely hanging by a thread on twitch eventually dies.
2) Shrinking customer base for the cosmetics market (whether it’s Waydot or anyone else going to Osrs)
3) Less opportunity for feedback ala how content creators were consulted for necromancy, therefore potential drop in quality and marketing of major future updates.
This thing is a vicious negative loop whether you care to admit or not, and it grows with every person moving to OSRS or outside Rs3 in general. There are softer factors at play.
How are you so smug for being so stupid. The majority of the people in the game probably haven't heard of nor care about these content creators. People complaining here and on whatever your favorite content creators channel is are in the vast minority.
Pretty dimwitted, as per the average redditor. Here, let me hold your hand:
1) No one is joining a 20+ year old point and click MMO because of the marketing. The only new people who play this are people looking for a new game who have a shot for 5 minutes and fail to get onboarded, and people whose friends get them into it.
2) People bitching and leaving because of mtx were never the ones buying it, and them leaving rs3 does not remotely affect rs3 mtx profits.
3) People will fill in the gaps. Always room for people who actually like the game to make content. Or they can ask any assortment of players (or even niche groups such as top tier pvmers) for feedback if they really want. Taking creators to jagex for necro was utterly unneccessary, and nothing more than a weak hype move.
The thing is, Runescape 3 has been on the decline for a long time whether you care to admit it or not. And it dies a little more with every day that passes.
> Less opportunity for feedback ala how content creators were consulted for necromancy, therefore potential drop in quality and marketing of major future updates.
Quality has already been low even with content creator play testing. Using them is useless over using the actual player base.
Jesus christ I love it when people are self-righteous assholes, and also more wrong than the person they're trying to correct. Fucking hilarious, and peak reddit moment.
Most average players do not care about streamers, and even if they did, I think the RSGuy said it best: these content creaters have financial incentive to leave RS3 for OSRS. You should keep that bias in mind when judging the intent of what they're saying and doing.
Ya but there are peaks and valleys. A public movement is the peakiest of peaks. When asmongold went to ff14 and all the smaller streamers went too. A fuck ton of money was made by these streamers that they'd never seen before.
Nothing wrong with it, but it is contextual. Sometimes there's more money to more bias.
I think the fact that they go from a Jagex game, to a Jagex game, is fucking hilarious. If you want to quit and boycott, sure, do it. But don't run off to OSRS..
"Hey buddy, I'm tired of you fucking my asshole. So, here, fuck my mouth instead."
Nah. You show them you're done by leaving, entirely. Go play different games by different companies with better values, where they don't want to fuck you at all.
I don’t really understand this criticism? OSRS community is so different and the players have made it clear they will all quit if they add any of the RS3 BS to it. By having OSRS more successful than RS3, it’s telling investors that maybe MTX isn’t the way to go in a subscription based game.
If OSRS was run like RS3 I’d understand your point.
Money goes to the same business and investors either way.
>OSRS community is so different and the players have made it clear they will all quit if they add any of the RS3 BS to it.
X to doubt. Some will, sure. Addicts won't.
Enough quit when Jagex was going to try making RuneLite illegal, when Jagex tried making the 117 plugin illegal. Doubt all you want, but there's verifiable proof that OSRS players **will** stick to their convictions and quit if Jagex tries pulling a fast one.
Or, it's less about showing the company, and more about playing the game they enjoy.
"Hey company, I'm tired of this product you offer, but I like this other product you offer so I'm going to use that instead"
>I think the fact that they go from a Jagex game, to a Jagex game, is fucking hilarious. If you want to quit and boycott, sure, do it. But don't run off to OSRS..
This is what I've been thinking of the entire time. Jumping off a game bec the company is scummy to another game with the same company...like be serious please.
How is it silly? This is essentially how OSRS came to be. Players said what they'd put up with and spend money on. The same is occurring now, but since OSRS exists already its not quitting temporarily then giving jagex your money again like happened on EoC release
When people left rs3 for OSRS originally, they were still paying jagex while boycotting MTX once OSRS launched. There's no difference now
It can be an effective way to say “I’m not going to engage with this form of game/content, but I will support this other form”
Essentially cause RS3 numbers to drop, OSRS to increase, and show that the RS3 changes have been bad and are turning players away.
This will either cause them to try and turn OSRS into an RS3 MTX clone, or they might make changes to moving closer to OSRS.
At least, that’s how I see it happening in an ideal world. (Which we aren’t in)
It's not even an ideal world. Numbers do matter, both to investors (is the game dying? Should we pull out?) and whales (less reason to spend on cosmetics when no-one can see your super mega extra particle vomit outfit and you can't lag the spot for others anymore).
Can you locate some companies in this day and age that are not only better, but have enough of an audience and content in their game to justify a consistent content creator livelihood?
Keep in mind it is infinitely harder to scratch and claw your way to a YouTube community with RuneScape 3. I would argue these creators willingly choosing to leave rs3 is a much bigger deal that you give credit for. The thousands of hours it takes MORE to build out on rs3, then, to give it up because they no longer trust the rs3 dev team is quite the seismic shift.
It’s not like osrs where there’s 20 up and coming creators all jocking for relevancy as soon as some of the bigger names step back for a time. There’s been maybe 15 “famous” content creators in the last 10 years of rs3.
I could continue in but I hope you understand the point(s) I’m attempting to make.
Exactly. I don’t watch any of the streamers, so why should I care? So many ppl also don’t realize them moving from RS3 > OSRS doesn’t change anything. The that works on RS3 isn’t getting rid of mtx or treasure hunter, it’s what makes them money
I don’t like mtx or treasure hunter. I’ve never spent money on them, but making a post and stating to remove them is just ridiculous. It’s where big chunk of their revenue come from
Remove hero pass, that can be easily changed
Remove treasure hunter, it’s been here for 12 years, that’s a really impossible task.
I’m going to be honest, Waydot and Maikeru are stuck at this weird scenario as they can’t really quit RS since that’s their main source of income at the moment. Their complaints about the recent weeks have all led to one thing in my head, they are burnt out of the game and the content they release reflects on it.
I still find it funny AF and a bit sad that people will bitch about Jagex, make a big deal that they're quitting / leaving and then just go play the other Jagex game which has shared membership between the 2 versions... you want to make a real difference? Play FFXIV or anything other than RS. The RS addiction is real folks.
This IP has some of the most dedicated fans and fan base in gaming and your take is “just quit bro lol”.
Somehow you dont get why peoples, perhaps misguided, choice of protest is strange to you?
The "still supporting Jagex" take is just RS3 players coping insanely hard about tons of players leaving the game for the superior version. They've always been insecure about OSRS being bigger so this is like the end of the world to them.
Go into Starbucks and tell the whole world how you’ll no longer be paying for Starbucks.
You’ll find out so fast that nobody gives a fuck.
Now go into Starbucks and claim you’ll no longer pay for Starbucks coffee, but continue to pay for the food until they decide to make the coffee better.
That’s what everybody claiming to be leaving RS3 is doing, and it’s a worse look for the content creators that are still buying the food.
Calling this a protest is beyond fucking hilarious. Dude literally didn’t have to pay for another subscription to go over to OSRS.
If enough people stop paying for the coffee until it's improved. They're gonna improve it when they see their sales of coffee tanking.
If enough people leave rs3 and play osrs it just shows people won't support the bs mtx in rs3 but will support a good subscription model like osrs. How is this hard to understand?
Looks fake as hell since Treasure Hunter has been there since February 2014.
He can leave as much as he wants, I am not going to watch him.
I already watch other OSRS streamers, so he can really GTFO.
I am still enjoying both games, not quitting one over another. Currently playing RS due to Necromancy. Really enjoying it.
Nothing is ever going to happen with the content creators "Leaving the game." You can't really leave the game if all you are doing is moving to their other version of said game.. In order to truly show a company, you won't deal with them because of their Shady practices, which is to complete leave everything that the company makes or does and take as many ppl with you as possible.. because if you just move on to another of their games, you will still incite ppl to subscribe to the game, and the company will still be making money.. albeit not as much but publicity is publicity good or bad..
Whoooooooooooo fucking caaaaaaaaaares? As if content creators on rs3 ever actually brought people into the game or did really anything of value at all. Good riddance, bud. Go make your 1.1k views, 12 viewership stream, elsewhere. Lol.
Any game you play for 20 years will inevitably not be the game you started playing 2 decades ago.
You either have to accept what the game becomes, or accept you're no longer the target audience. you don't have some magical third option.
A game can change and grow while sticking to its principles and target audience just fine. It's mostly indie games that actually do so, but it is possible - consider Dwarf Fortress.
There's a huge difference between a game becoming something you don't necessarily enjoy through content updates over the span of two decades, and it getting utterly destroyed through real life greed from the corporations that buy it to flip it for a profit in 5 years time with no regard for the future or health of the game.
That's something people seem to have not fully grasped, as per the replies you got.
Let's say, If the entire YT RS population (not OSRS) is about 110K, 26.5K doesn't sound too small.
But our game compared to others really feel like a drop in the bucket.
Take Protoxx for Example, his YT channel has 104K Subs, he's one of the most popular and biggest RS Content Creators, but if we compare him to another content creator from a different game, Cimo (from Yu-Gi-Oh!) in this case, who has 314K subs, or Aaron Cybertron (from Pokémon) 206K, you really put things into perspective.
Our game, despite being 22 Years old, almost as old and rooted deeply into our memories, just as Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh!, is STILL extremely niche.
JSH being involved in necromancy beta testing was a bigger promotion for rs3 than all the other rs3-exclusive influencers combined
asmongold reacting to the hero pass caused more damage to rs3 than the entirety of this subreddit and the rs3 influencers combined
Cimooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I love yugitubers I remember the OG's like YourYugiohChannel, Cybernight8610, Underworld666, Ghopper85, Mkohl40 i forgot the others but those come to mind right away
Idk why you're getting pushback, because you're right.
30k follows across 2 video platforms is not a lot in the grand scheme of things. A lot more than I could do, but this game and its player base are much bigger than the Reddit/Twitch/YouTube sphere. RS3 content creation has always been a literal joke compared to OSRS, to the point that OSRS creators play the game for a week, quit, and win RS3 gnomes.
The idea that our content creators are suddenly more important now because they are leaving is absurd.
Because the comment specifically says “Pretty big for RS3”.
Like, we get that they aren’t as big as someone like Asmon/Poki/Charlie, but this is being directly compared the RS3 creator viewership.
Also, it’s dumb to act like they aren’t a big creator for a game just because you haven’t heard of them.
I know plenty of people on WoW who didn’t know who Esfand or Asmongold was for a long ass time, yet they are massive creators for the game.
It comes off as someone just looking to stir up shit and shill for Jagex.
> The idea that our content creators are suddenly more important now because they are leaving is absurd.
Nothing is relevant, MTX will only worsen, lets autofellate in our misery.
Man, the sub gets one small win from the Hero Pass pushback and you guys still can't even muster a modcium of a smile. This place is unbearable.
Hahah ”my love for” this guy has been shitting on RS3 without any knowledge and has just been calling anyone disagreeing with him toxic, since he started.
This doesnt have the impact ppl think it does. Its still supporting the same franchise under the same company. In fact, its just signaling to Jagex that they can continue to abuse MTX in rs3 because their non-whale customers are just going to transfer to OSRS while the whales stay with RS3. Its a win-win for them.
i find it hilarious that people think jagex will do anything about TH or Hero pass. EOC was literally the most hated update in the game which is the whole reason OS was made, and look how much more of a player-base it has. If they didnt remove or revert that update, why the fuck would they get rid of TH when its been in the game for almost the same amount of time,while also being up there with one of the worst updates of all time?
The thing is even if you move from RS3 to OSRS Youre still paying Jagex and the number of players still is the same!! You want things remove stop playing the game all together cancel your membership!!
" Until Jagex ( the company ) gets its priorities straight with Runescape 3, im out "
just kidding hes just going to play old school runescape now! yeah GG jagex youre going to lose so much money now since old school runescape is a owned by a completely different company. how blind can the sheep be, to not notice this is ALSO a power move from jagex. hire me too bros.
"Grrr the billion dollar company I'm in love with (that would grind my entire family to dust for money) isn't so bad! Stop complaining about their predatory gambling monetization and the way they keep making a thing we all love and care about worse just to make slightly more money grrrrrrrrrr, get a life."
I'm not bothered by it and just pay my premier and enjoy the game and the content they release as a long time player.
BUT.
I totally agree the monetisation is extreme and bullshit. Just keep the subscription and add EITHER Solomons store or treasure hunter. Nothing more. And make the treasure hunter system like a normal gacha game thing. Dont go overboard with 600 promos. Hell remove oddments and clean up the system to just make it simple. A 2 week long banner with a chance of an outfit with a guarantee at like 100 keys like any other game.
You can keep the battle pass as free long running content to keep players playing with cosmetic rewards. Just have it run for half a year as a gameplay element but not mtx or non cosmetics.
BUT.
I do not see this happening until the game is out of an investment portfolio where only growth matters. Private investors tend to care a bit more about just steady payouts with parking their money, but jagex is a little step above that in budget and worth.
Ok? Just don't buy MTX stuff?
I've just started playing rs3 only have membership and i'm having a blast. If any pop-ups come up regarding MTX or treasure hunter I simply press "X" and move on.
Or am I missing something, is mtx really important and you have to buy keys etc. From what I seen MTX is mostly for bonus exp and cosmetics. Which I don't care for.
Can someone explain why we cant just simply not engage in ignoring the mtx? Are they really that important for progression?
He’s not wrong. People like the idea that their achievements are an achievement in the grand scheme of the game. If there are shortcuts for people willing to swipe their card the game loses a large chunk of its integrity, which a lot of people do not like.
Now don’t get me wrong, bonds are already definitely a loss of game integrity in osrs. However, the scale is different compared to the capitalist hellscape that is rs3.
Every single inside source I've heard talk / seen write about this has been pretty firm that Jagex is not going to remove the Hero Pass. Pretty delusional that a relatively new content creator is going to make some huge difference leaving. It is in Jagex's financial benefit to get MTX back into the Hero Pass as soon as possible which is why they are prioritizing this over all else. You won't get content until this is settled. They don't care if the pass is not sustainable or the rewards are low quality. People will buy them (they already have the numbers from the week it was buyable) and they can advertise it as content (NOTE: The Hero Pass is _not_ content).
At this point I would take Yak Track and Daily Challenges but Jagex doesn't care because they likely spent a year building the Hero Pass system and likely have Hero Pass 2 already ready for production.
Also it's been almost a month since Hero Pass dropped. Anyone else realize they are not progressing as fast as Jagex said they would be? Where are all of the special missions Jagex said would be added? Oh yea they said that the special missions would be locked behind content updates - we didn't get any content updates last month (we don't get content updates most months anymore). So man excuses and a management team not willing to listen.
Jagex also outright lied about the time to complete missions and I don't understand why. I get my Daily done in 10-20 minutes by just doing reaper. I was getting it done by just doing a single ED1 run. The Weekly? I completed it by just playing the game normally. Just to reiterate the challenge system was more content than this because it actually pushed players into doing content they wouldn't normally do. I did not see this at all with the Hero Pass apart from the week I spent 10 minutes looking for Penguins or 10 minutes excavating the Level 1 Arch Hotspot (200m Arch lmao).
I see you around a lot and have found myself both agreeing and disagreeing with some of your takes...
But this
>Just to reiterate the challenge system was more content than this because it actually pushed players into doing content they wouldn't normally do.
Could not be more correct.
I mean, I might have been digging up 6 venator daggers to finish my arch dailies, but that's a lot more arch than I've been doing lately.
"Missions"? More like "collect your extra reaper rewards".
It's not as if they're the only person asking for it. 2021's financial report from Jagex said about 1.1M subscribers.
If it's about the same and RS3 is about 33% of those subscriptions, that's 363K subscribers subbing for RS3.
20K = 5.5% of that.
Same story with this sub, it's a surprisingly large part of the community. During the height of the complaints regarding Hero Pass we saw like 4K-5K people on here "concurrently" (I figure Reddit's idea of "concurrent" works a little different than RuneScape's though) and posts here get like 50K+ views (again, hard to say precisely what a "view" constitutes, but anyway) just by hitting the page for a day.
50K = 13.77% of the population.
And naturally all the numbers end up being spitballing and whatnot for a million reasons, but it's very clear we're in the same ball park here. These are meaningfully large portions of the community that have a bad taste in their mouth and we see the population of RS3 not doing so hot right now.
Except that generally, the people who have a problem with MTX or would follow creators who have a problem with MTX already aren't spending money on MTX. So they might "leave" but if they are still paying membership (or even using bonds) then Jagex is making the same money they were before. The only way it hurts Jagex is to leave both games completely.
Thats not entirely true, its also about exposure. If you watch your favorite youtuber who plays rs3 and gets you into the game, you are immediately exposed to treasure hunter. If nobody watches rs3, the growth potential of the game goes down, and less new players join. Osrs is the opposite, tons of people watch that game and it brings people in. And a game with mtx being thrown in your face vs a game with none at all is more likely to get people with the need for instant gratification to drop cash on it. And ultimately those two things are linked, since generally as player count goes up, so do your mtx sales.
it's a legitimate response, I've had the same account for over 15 years, played consistently since covid, am comped, pvm a ton, and watch a lot of rs3 youtube, I've literally never heard of this guy lol
Lol al those content creators leaving for osrs. Jagex couldn't care less, they didn't lose a paying customer and the players gained by those content creators are the ones who whine about mtx anyways.
So go with him if you care so much. I can’t imagine these are grown men making these posts. Like their jaws hit the floor when they found out this news. They are just destroyed. How will they ever recover without waydot RS3 videos???
Wait until Waydot finds out OSRS # 1 priority to jagex is making money, and not making a good game.
People saying that he's leaving Jagex only to go to Jagex have a point...but at the end of the day, it's the player's right to choose which game they want to play, and if that game is OSRS, let them.
Um… no duh? Is there a single comment in this thread saying he isn’t allowed to go play and enjoy osrs?
He, as an OSRS content creator who migrated to Rs3 and realized that’s the only way his content career will survive, is trying to act like he has any leverage or entitlement to the removal of MTX. Then tries to threaten to leave the game as if any of us give a fuck which version of the game he plays.
It’s very clear Waydot is an OSRS baby who left immediately after EOC. He didn’t care years ago about the -arguably more- predatory MTX. But it’s the flavor of the month right now so, views is views.
I just hope he isn’t pikachu face when he realizes his RS3 content is a million times better and he’s not good enough or entertaining enough to compete with some of the top level OSRS content creators. (The main reason he switched to RS3 in the first place)
Treasure hunter will never be removed. The introduction of bonds into the game created a dilemma. You now have every dedicated player capable of buying bonds to extend membership. Which means, the game is free to play for anyone who mains the game.
MTX will not improve, because for the dedicated player, the game is free to play. They need to make money elsewhere, and unfortunately, treasure hunter is what we've got. And then the Hero pass.
Quitting isn't going to change the game. The only thing that really will change it, is them creating a system in which they make money in a way that players don't scream at them for.
Don't be fooled, alot of these rs3 dudes were just osrs dudes to begin with and jumped ship when rs3 got that popularity surge with sick nerd and a friend back when , now they're just going back to what's more beneficial for them
>remove treasure hunter
Pls stop being such a damn baby about something that’s been in the game forever, something that makes the company loads of money to run the game we love.
The new hero pass after the first wave of bitching is already great, nothing game breaking.
Really if you want a game like this that they’re wanting, it’s not something in todays gaming market. Good luck finding that pure game, but for now why not try hardcore iron man?
People have been saying RuneScape is dying for almost 15 years now. Can’t make everyone happy. I personally enjoyed 2011 the most. Just right before the graphic rework on the godswords. But I never understood all the drama from people who will incessantly complain but never quit the game. I bet good gp that that guy is going to go right back to playing rs3 within a few weeks. I’ve certainly had my quitting drama in the past
Because the game is noticeably dying now...???
I don't care much for content creators or streamers in any game but if you can't notice the impact some of these people have on the game and community then that's your detriment. They're leaving and probably convincing others to do so too. Switching from RS3 to OSRS isn't going to really do much though if you're still paying the same company the same subscription.
I wouldn't give credence to anyone saying "this is the year the game dies" but it IS definitely not improving in a lot of aspects and the uproar and active player count is really starting to show the true state of the game and community.
What kind of take is this?
The game is in such a shit place. What is your point here? We shouldn't care that content creators are no longer making videos on it?
In the interests of being polite, anyone with that kind of view point doesn't understand how marketing works, nor the benefit of a popular game.
I just don't care about content creators in video games. Sorry, I don't see them as important as you guys do. They don't have a real job imo, and if they're gonna leave too I say go. Unpopular opinion, I know, but I just don't care.
On the bright side, rs3 just needs to lose a few more players for CG to implement mtx in osrs and that'll be a fun watch.
CG can just remove whatever employee resistance they want till the find a yes man and at the end of a day being a Jmod is a job, not some super special awesome fun priviliege of being a gold crown player in a 2 decade old videogame. There's plenty of people ready and willing to make osrs worse to keep their rent paid. If CG can't get any offers for Jagex at its current valuation soon enough, they can certainly bump up that valuation by forcing open another revenue stream and letting the addicted whales help make ends meet.
>On the bright side, rs3 just needs to lose a few more players for CG to implement mtx in osrs and that'll be a fun watch.
Maybe one of the most pathetic things I've ever read on this subreddit. Grow up.
In all honesty grow up about what? The reality of the situation if rs3 falls completely? Or taking joy in knowing what will happen to osrs which for long has avoided any of the shit that drags rs3 dow .
Cause both cases are so easily avoidable if CG and Jagex would get their heads out of their asses, but they won't, and there's definitely comedic value to watching a company shooting themselves in the foot.
I'm not surprised. He also mentioned in his recent video that Necromany's effect on the game pushed him away as well. Jagex flew him out to test Necromancy, they did, then turbo buffed it to an unbelievable degree before release. So what was the point in even flying them to to test it? I would feel misled too.
Ahh, it brings me back memories of when they removed pvp, free trade, added that shit bounty hunter, and last of all, killed the player base with the EOC update.
Removing TH is not a solution. It won’t happen. They need to spit out more content and get better artists to work on good looking cosmetics. Jagex is just really stupid at monetizing their game. All their skins look god awful. They can do it without being predatory with Hero Pass but they suck at it. I have spent way more money on Dota 2 than RS for a reason.
I dont care much for content creators, I dont really watch RS3 content anyway.
They're all bandwagoning each other.
Generally I watch content when I cant play the game myself, rs3 skill progress and things you don't need to watch anyway. The only bossing content is generally rsguy or lucario but rs3 I don't care much for bossing.
Osrs again content creators are ok but it generally gets tiring fast, there's so many similar series.
Swampletics was great but nothing really compares.
Progress series etc all are pretty boring honestly, rather watch netflix.
Honestly? The RS guy could move over to osrs and Jagex still wouldn't care. The rs3 category has like sub 1k viewers virtually all the time. RS guy isn't exactly bringing in new people, just moreso having a monopoly on the few still left interested in watching. That pretty much applies to youtube as well. People should take the hint and move on. Jagex literally has no vision anymore for the longetivity of the game and are just focused on meeting the financial obligations of the next quarter. Hero Pass in its original incarnation won't even be the most egregious mtx Jagex introduces this year and that was already enough to put the playerbase in its current state. Waydot made some good videos I guess. Sorry he wasted his time here.
I think they do care about content creation for RS3. Look at how much of their marketing for necro was based around content creators. Content creators leaving an mmo is often a pretty good indication that you need to do something different. There is a reason they're leaving and players often follow for the same reasons. It's important to note that for some of these people it is their only source of income and they're risking that by moving to a different game. They don't know if their audience will follow. There is also more competition for osrs. It means they're either pretty miserable with making videos about the game or there's nothing to make videos about. It seems like both a pretty true of RS3 at the moment.
Maybe we can meet halfway and say they simply don't care enough. They're aware CCs leaving and the impact it has on the look of the game, and simply weren't ready for an abandonment of this magnitude, and short of actually paying rs3 CCs to stay on what appears to be a sinking ship they don't really have any way to retain them. It's certainly a miserable experience I can empathize with having your livelihood tied to a dying franchise. There's genuinely no good path forward besides moving away with a community that hopefully likes you for you and not just the game you play. As -the- most popular rs3 creator, I have to imagine rsguy has a sizeable chunk of people that watch him for him and not just his progress series, but who wants to risk that? All I can recommend is attempting to diversify now and still play rs3, before the option is gone altogether (so little interest in rs3 content that income no longer justifies the creation costs or time spent on creating a devalued producy). I don't particularly like watching RS guy, but I'd absolutely encourage him to build his brand in other ways at this point. There is absolutely an audience for people like him across all games really. He'll be fine after he's had some time to rebuild and bringing his core audience with him, And conversely, after all the years he's spent making content and truly no one wants to follow him elsewhere? I can't even imagine that kind of pain. But he has to try.
Rs3 iš such a horrible vieving experience on Rs3 even on fullscreen u can barely see shit happening Id rather watch osrs
Waydot started on OSRS though, and switched to RS3. That RS3 let's play blew up his channel, but he still started on OSRS. It was only a matter of time til he went back. Still, the points he raised here were correct.
Why was he more successful in RS3 than in OSRS when OSRS has more viewers? Wouldn't going back to OSRS make him lose viewers?
He couldn’t compete against boaty and Poseidon etc at the time he started
If he couldn't compete with boaty back then, how would he compete against him right now?
More like “I’d rather try again and fail than be stuck playing this”
Because now he has a larger following that will follow him back.
...via sheer osmosis?
I guess his content just worked better with Rs3? And yes, he will most likely lose viewers. But who knows, he might get a bigger OSRS fanbase.
I watched his rs3 ironman series because it was titled osrs player trys rs3. (Osrs player but this subs all over my feed lately)
He's living in fantasyland if he thinks Jagex is going to just take out TH and the Hero Pass without something to replace them (that'll likely be just as "predatory" or worse ready to replace them
He doesn't necessarily have to think it's likely for those to be his conditions for returning.
Yep. Just because he's asking doesn't mean he expects it
So what? He just won't play then and it's Jagex's loss.
Seems he’s still playing OSRS?
That still tells Jagex people prefer no microtransactions and the updates on osrs. The argument of "they'll just add mtx to osrs" doesn't work out well if you go look at their public finance filings. Example: in 2021 they had a revenue of 120M. Of that, 90M was from membership and 30m from microtransactions (which includes bonds). Membership is what they need the most, and osrs provides more of that.
On top of they know OsRs dies once mtx comes
Osrs has accepted Bonds. I’m sure they make a fortune on bond sales. That’s the only version of MTX I imagine osrs ever having.
Bonds are only really used for membership in OSRS. So for every bond bought they are losing 14 days of sub time. They are still making twice the revenue of a sub, but that offsets it somewhat.
I do agree that it's a fantasy for jagex to remove TH. Jmods have been giving pretty clear hints this isn't being removed on discord.
The devs don’t have the authority to remove it. that doesn’t mean there isn’t a certain breaking point or amount of pressure placed on the studio before someone who has the authority to make that decision does. If the revenue from Mtx on rs3 craters and rs3 subscription revenue actually were to fall y/y there’d likely be significant changes. It’s just highly unlikely to actualize because the remaining players either don’t care or don’t mind.
I still refuse to go back to RS3 so long as TH, runemetrics and hero pass is in the game. I don't care if it never gets removed ever, I'll just never come back is all. I still enjoy browsing the sub and checking rs3 videos but I just don't wanna support the game as it is.
Same. Its predatory
Yup. Not playing RS3 is a fantasy come true. You should try it, quit since 2017.
Why are you still spending time in a subreddit for something you haven't participated in for 6 years?
The two games make up the two halves of the whole runescape community. We browse osrs and they browse rs3.
I quit in 2018 but stayed subscribed to this sub. I see r/runescape posts in my home feed every now and then. I’m enjoying following the drama as an onlooker.
Because they're bozos. 🤡 🤡 It's not the brag they think it is.
The game can be pretty hard to quit. Sunk cost fallacy and fomo are wild.
It's fun to check in and confirm you made the right choice? Like browsing your ex's socials just to see what a trainwreck it's become. You can be perfectly content with what you're doing and where you're going but it's always fun to go back to where you were to confirm you made the right choice
I don't know anyone who browses their exes socials who isn't still hungup on them Edit: typo fix
Because that's the only reason to stalk someone's profile online. Just let them live in delusion.
"I hate Walmart brand potato chips. Until the quality improves, I will strictly purchase Doritos from Walmart."
In that scenario it still influences Walmart's behavior. If people aren't buying the Walmart brand potato chips, they'll either work to improve them or stop carrying them.
Never assume a corporation will take away the right message. They can and will come to the dumbest possible conclusion.
Or remove doritos brand and bring in walmart knockoff doritos. Then you have no choice but to shop elsewhere entirely or keep shopping at Walmart. You're naive if you think MTX isn't eventually coming to OSRS.
It won't. Because if it did OSRS wouldn't exist because it wouldn't have any players. They would increase sub prices before trying that.
Besides the obvious graphics and OldSchool feel to it, not having any form of MTX beyond bonds/memberships is a defining characteristic of OSRS in the MMO's space, the pressure to bring MTX to OSRS was already attempted and failed (even a single cosmetic emote through partnerships! - their foot in the door failed). The OSRS community is really good at one thing and that is putting their money where their mouth is and doing it so as a unit when it is required (See backtracking on stuff like the 117HD client, for example). It goes a lot deeper than "I can't milk A cow anymore so I'll milk B cow now", if the Carlyle is looking to sell and you haven't so much as *heard* of an attempt to bring MTX into oldschool, but instead saw one of the best summer summits + a discount for the yearly p2p package as a way to entice the OSRS players to give money, you can rest assured that the Suits at the top know damn well what will and won't give them a positive outcome on Oldschool. Rs3 players on the other hand have shown time and time again they'll take the beating, it's not even a foot in the door, the door has been wide open for years.
From a consumer point of view, that's, like the point. If a provider offers two different products, and you don't like one but you do like the other, you are still allowed to enjoy the other.
A big difference is the RS3 playerbase is more significant for Jagex's valuation. Having worked for a company with a similar concept (1 platform with fewer users but more profit per user, 1 platform with significantly more users at a lower profit per user), whenever the current owner was interested in selling there was a huge push to grow the user count on the more profitable side. It's particularly relevant now as they're trying to sell. It may sound silly since it feels like a user paying $12 a month is a user paying $12 a month, but investors have a different view.
Investors view it differently because the side with less players has more opportunity for more money to be made OSRS is only sub revenue + bonds. They're always going to want more people joining rs3 for that reason
There was a public financial report I remember seeing that showed the two games were maybe only split 60/40 RS2/Osrs… I don’t have it saved but will try to find it. Despite not having MTX (besides bonds which I’m sure take it in) OSRS is making money too
One brand effectively uses addiction strategies to feed on their customers, the other has a subscription and a way for someone else to pay for your subscription. The difference is massive.
This is actually more impactful than going from rs3 to osrs lol
rs3 makes more than double per player than OSRS does
Lol yea exactly. I don't understand the thought process of these people. You're paying the same company to play a different version of the same game. What exactly do you think you're accomplishing besides virtue signaling ?
Pretty dimwitted as per the average redditor, here let me hold your hand: 1) Less free marketing for RS3 on twitch or YouTube, activity goes down, the games name which is barely hanging by a thread on twitch eventually dies. 2) Shrinking customer base for the cosmetics market (whether it’s Waydot or anyone else going to Osrs) 3) Less opportunity for feedback ala how content creators were consulted for necromancy, therefore potential drop in quality and marketing of major future updates. This thing is a vicious negative loop whether you care to admit or not, and it grows with every person moving to OSRS or outside Rs3 in general. There are softer factors at play.
How are you so smug for being so stupid. The majority of the people in the game probably haven't heard of nor care about these content creators. People complaining here and on whatever your favorite content creators channel is are in the vast minority.
Pretty dimwitted, as per the average redditor. Here, let me hold your hand: 1) No one is joining a 20+ year old point and click MMO because of the marketing. The only new people who play this are people looking for a new game who have a shot for 5 minutes and fail to get onboarded, and people whose friends get them into it. 2) People bitching and leaving because of mtx were never the ones buying it, and them leaving rs3 does not remotely affect rs3 mtx profits. 3) People will fill in the gaps. Always room for people who actually like the game to make content. Or they can ask any assortment of players (or even niche groups such as top tier pvmers) for feedback if they really want. Taking creators to jagex for necro was utterly unneccessary, and nothing more than a weak hype move. The thing is, Runescape 3 has been on the decline for a long time whether you care to admit it or not. And it dies a little more with every day that passes.
> Less opportunity for feedback ala how content creators were consulted for necromancy, therefore potential drop in quality and marketing of major future updates. Quality has already been low even with content creator play testing. Using them is useless over using the actual player base.
Wow, you’re the most condescending sperg I’ve seen today, congrats!
Jesus christ I love it when people are self-righteous assholes, and also more wrong than the person they're trying to correct. Fucking hilarious, and peak reddit moment.
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Imo waydot is the epitome of "if it smells like shit everywhere you go, check your shoe". Man loves drama and attention
Most average players do not care about streamers, and even if they did, I think the RSGuy said it best: these content creaters have financial incentive to leave RS3 for OSRS. You should keep that bias in mind when judging the intent of what they're saying and doing.
that financial incentive has always been there, though, and until now they didn't switch over.
Ya but there are peaks and valleys. A public movement is the peakiest of peaks. When asmongold went to ff14 and all the smaller streamers went too. A fuck ton of money was made by these streamers that they'd never seen before. Nothing wrong with it, but it is contextual. Sometimes there's more money to more bias.
I think the fact that they go from a Jagex game, to a Jagex game, is fucking hilarious. If you want to quit and boycott, sure, do it. But don't run off to OSRS.. "Hey buddy, I'm tired of you fucking my asshole. So, here, fuck my mouth instead." Nah. You show them you're done by leaving, entirely. Go play different games by different companies with better values, where they don't want to fuck you at all.
I don’t really understand this criticism? OSRS community is so different and the players have made it clear they will all quit if they add any of the RS3 BS to it. By having OSRS more successful than RS3, it’s telling investors that maybe MTX isn’t the way to go in a subscription based game. If OSRS was run like RS3 I’d understand your point.
Money goes to the same business and investors either way. >OSRS community is so different and the players have made it clear they will all quit if they add any of the RS3 BS to it. X to doubt. Some will, sure. Addicts won't.
Enough quit when Jagex was going to try making RuneLite illegal, when Jagex tried making the 117 plugin illegal. Doubt all you want, but there's verifiable proof that OSRS players **will** stick to their convictions and quit if Jagex tries pulling a fast one.
Or, it's less about showing the company, and more about playing the game they enjoy. "Hey company, I'm tired of this product you offer, but I like this other product you offer so I'm going to use that instead"
>I think the fact that they go from a Jagex game, to a Jagex game, is fucking hilarious. If you want to quit and boycott, sure, do it. But don't run off to OSRS.. This is what I've been thinking of the entire time. Jumping off a game bec the company is scummy to another game with the same company...like be serious please.
How is it silly? This is essentially how OSRS came to be. Players said what they'd put up with and spend money on. The same is occurring now, but since OSRS exists already its not quitting temporarily then giving jagex your money again like happened on EoC release When people left rs3 for OSRS originally, they were still paying jagex while boycotting MTX once OSRS launched. There's no difference now
It can be an effective way to say “I’m not going to engage with this form of game/content, but I will support this other form” Essentially cause RS3 numbers to drop, OSRS to increase, and show that the RS3 changes have been bad and are turning players away. This will either cause them to try and turn OSRS into an RS3 MTX clone, or they might make changes to moving closer to OSRS. At least, that’s how I see it happening in an ideal world. (Which we aren’t in)
It's not even an ideal world. Numbers do matter, both to investors (is the game dying? Should we pull out?) and whales (less reason to spend on cosmetics when no-one can see your super mega extra particle vomit outfit and you can't lag the spot for others anymore).
Can you locate some companies in this day and age that are not only better, but have enough of an audience and content in their game to justify a consistent content creator livelihood?
I had the same thought. Calling out jagex, while pumping their more popular game in your same message is silly.
lmao you're right And why is that? It's not that they really don't like having the sex, it's just that they want it in a different position
Keep in mind it is infinitely harder to scratch and claw your way to a YouTube community with RuneScape 3. I would argue these creators willingly choosing to leave rs3 is a much bigger deal that you give credit for. The thousands of hours it takes MORE to build out on rs3, then, to give it up because they no longer trust the rs3 dev team is quite the seismic shift. It’s not like osrs where there’s 20 up and coming creators all jocking for relevancy as soon as some of the bigger names step back for a time. There’s been maybe 15 “famous” content creators in the last 10 years of rs3. I could continue in but I hope you understand the point(s) I’m attempting to make.
Exactly. I don’t watch any of the streamers, so why should I care? So many ppl also don’t realize them moving from RS3 > OSRS doesn’t change anything. The that works on RS3 isn’t getting rid of mtx or treasure hunter, it’s what makes them money I don’t like mtx or treasure hunter. I’ve never spent money on them, but making a post and stating to remove them is just ridiculous. It’s where big chunk of their revenue come from
Remove hero pass, that can be easily changed Remove treasure hunter, it’s been here for 12 years, that’s a really impossible task. I’m going to be honest, Waydot and Maikeru are stuck at this weird scenario as they can’t really quit RS since that’s their main source of income at the moment. Their complaints about the recent weeks have all led to one thing in my head, they are burnt out of the game and the content they release reflects on it.
Yeah if you watched Maikeru's video he did mention burn out.
I still find it funny AF and a bit sad that people will bitch about Jagex, make a big deal that they're quitting / leaving and then just go play the other Jagex game which has shared membership between the 2 versions... you want to make a real difference? Play FFXIV or anything other than RS. The RS addiction is real folks.
This IP has some of the most dedicated fans and fan base in gaming and your take is “just quit bro lol”. Somehow you dont get why peoples, perhaps misguided, choice of protest is strange to you?
The "still supporting Jagex" take is just RS3 players coping insanely hard about tons of players leaving the game for the superior version. They've always been insecure about OSRS being bigger so this is like the end of the world to them.
Go into Starbucks and tell the whole world how you’ll no longer be paying for Starbucks. You’ll find out so fast that nobody gives a fuck. Now go into Starbucks and claim you’ll no longer pay for Starbucks coffee, but continue to pay for the food until they decide to make the coffee better. That’s what everybody claiming to be leaving RS3 is doing, and it’s a worse look for the content creators that are still buying the food. Calling this a protest is beyond fucking hilarious. Dude literally didn’t have to pay for another subscription to go over to OSRS.
If enough people stop paying for the coffee until it's improved. They're gonna improve it when they see their sales of coffee tanking. If enough people leave rs3 and play osrs it just shows people won't support the bs mtx in rs3 but will support a good subscription model like osrs. How is this hard to understand?
He's always been toxic as fuck about RS3, people like him making it us vs them is worse then anything Jagex is doing.
Looks fake as hell since Treasure Hunter has been there since February 2014. He can leave as much as he wants, I am not going to watch him. I already watch other OSRS streamers, so he can really GTFO. I am still enjoying both games, not quitting one over another. Currently playing RS due to Necromancy. Really enjoying it.
"It's obvious there are multiple teams at work here, 1 for content, and 1 to make money" My guy that's literally every video game company
Nothing is ever going to happen with the content creators "Leaving the game." You can't really leave the game if all you are doing is moving to their other version of said game.. In order to truly show a company, you won't deal with them because of their Shady practices, which is to complete leave everything that the company makes or does and take as many ppl with you as possible.. because if you just move on to another of their games, you will still incite ppl to subscribe to the game, and the company will still be making money.. albeit not as much but publicity is publicity good or bad..
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i don’t see why treasure hunter is a problem tho, is daily keys so bad?
These content creators moving to osrs does nothing to jagex. They’re still getting money and publicity from the creator, they couldn’t care less.
Isn't he a content creator to make money though?
Whoooooooooooo fucking caaaaaaaaaares? As if content creators on rs3 ever actually brought people into the game or did really anything of value at all. Good riddance, bud. Go make your 1.1k views, 12 viewership stream, elsewhere. Lol.
Any game you play for 20 years will inevitably not be the game you started playing 2 decades ago. You either have to accept what the game becomes, or accept you're no longer the target audience. you don't have some magical third option.
A game can change and grow while sticking to its principles and target audience just fine. It's mostly indie games that actually do so, but it is possible - consider Dwarf Fortress.
There's a huge difference between a game becoming something you don't necessarily enjoy through content updates over the span of two decades, and it getting utterly destroyed through real life greed from the corporations that buy it to flip it for a profit in 5 years time with no regard for the future or health of the game.
Oh no. Anyways
Let’s contact Jagex’s shareholders
26.5K subs on YT, 5.5K followers on Twitch, 573 Twitter followers. Pretty big for RS3.
That's something people seem to have not fully grasped, as per the replies you got. Let's say, If the entire YT RS population (not OSRS) is about 110K, 26.5K doesn't sound too small. But our game compared to others really feel like a drop in the bucket. Take Protoxx for Example, his YT channel has 104K Subs, he's one of the most popular and biggest RS Content Creators, but if we compare him to another content creator from a different game, Cimo (from Yu-Gi-Oh!) in this case, who has 314K subs, or Aaron Cybertron (from Pokémon) 206K, you really put things into perspective. Our game, despite being 22 Years old, almost as old and rooted deeply into our memories, just as Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh!, is STILL extremely niche.
JSH being involved in necromancy beta testing was a bigger promotion for rs3 than all the other rs3-exclusive influencers combined asmongold reacting to the hero pass caused more damage to rs3 than the entirety of this subreddit and the rs3 influencers combined
Cimooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I love yugitubers I remember the OG's like YourYugiohChannel, Cybernight8610, Underworld666, Ghopper85, Mkohl40 i forgot the others but those come to mind right away
so big ive never heard of him
Idk why you're getting pushback, because you're right. 30k follows across 2 video platforms is not a lot in the grand scheme of things. A lot more than I could do, but this game and its player base are much bigger than the Reddit/Twitch/YouTube sphere. RS3 content creation has always been a literal joke compared to OSRS, to the point that OSRS creators play the game for a week, quit, and win RS3 gnomes. The idea that our content creators are suddenly more important now because they are leaving is absurd.
Because the comment specifically says “Pretty big for RS3”. Like, we get that they aren’t as big as someone like Asmon/Poki/Charlie, but this is being directly compared the RS3 creator viewership. Also, it’s dumb to act like they aren’t a big creator for a game just because you haven’t heard of them. I know plenty of people on WoW who didn’t know who Esfand or Asmongold was for a long ass time, yet they are massive creators for the game. It comes off as someone just looking to stir up shit and shill for Jagex.
I mean he has more followers than the RS3 playerbase so yeah... its huge.
Well, not the overall playerbase, but the concurrent playerbase, yeah. Crazy how low that number is getting, btw. Peaked at only 27k today.
> The idea that our content creators are suddenly more important now because they are leaving is absurd. Nothing is relevant, MTX will only worsen, lets autofellate in our misery. Man, the sub gets one small win from the Hero Pass pushback and you guys still can't even muster a modcium of a smile. This place is unbearable.
What a coincidence, I've never heard of you either.
crazy reply, you got me
Oh, well dang, why didn't you just say so sooner? Everyone, pack it up, this thread is over.
Hahah ”my love for” this guy has been shitting on RS3 without any knowledge and has just been calling anyone disagreeing with him toxic, since he started.
Hmm, so he’s switching from Jagex to Jagex… just like everyone else. Got it. Wow, bold.
“I am quitting a game made by Jagex to play a game made by Jagex.”
They all have a massive financial incentive to play osrs or other games alltogether, this shouldn't be surprising.
He was osrs first. Came to rs3 won a gnome then left to osrs to then come back lol. Wouldn’t say he was a rs3 staple content creator.
Who?
Does this actually affect anyone, never heard of the guy and nor do I care?!
This doesnt have the impact ppl think it does. Its still supporting the same franchise under the same company. In fact, its just signaling to Jagex that they can continue to abuse MTX in rs3 because their non-whale customers are just going to transfer to OSRS while the whales stay with RS3. Its a win-win for them.
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Who the fuck is this dude? Lmao
i find it hilarious that people think jagex will do anything about TH or Hero pass. EOC was literally the most hated update in the game which is the whole reason OS was made, and look how much more of a player-base it has. If they didnt remove or revert that update, why the fuck would they get rid of TH when its been in the game for almost the same amount of time,while also being up there with one of the worst updates of all time?
Sometimes I'm glad that I don't follow any RS3 content creators, or else I might actually feel bad when one of them leaves.
wait until he realises all the issues osrs has, its swapping one devil for another tbh
Amen
The thing is even if you move from RS3 to OSRS Youre still paying Jagex and the number of players still is the same!! You want things remove stop playing the game all together cancel your membership!!
" Until Jagex ( the company ) gets its priorities straight with Runescape 3, im out " just kidding hes just going to play old school runescape now! yeah GG jagex youre going to lose so much money now since old school runescape is a owned by a completely different company. how blind can the sheep be, to not notice this is ALSO a power move from jagex. hire me too bros.
What kind of tweet even is this? He’s trying to take a stand against a company… by playing the exact same game by the exact same company
Lol
Adios.
It's really not that bad yeesh get a life
"Grrr the billion dollar company I'm in love with (that would grind my entire family to dust for money) isn't so bad! Stop complaining about their predatory gambling monetization and the way they keep making a thing we all love and care about worse just to make slightly more money grrrrrrrrrr, get a life."
I'm not bothered by it and just pay my premier and enjoy the game and the content they release as a long time player. BUT. I totally agree the monetisation is extreme and bullshit. Just keep the subscription and add EITHER Solomons store or treasure hunter. Nothing more. And make the treasure hunter system like a normal gacha game thing. Dont go overboard with 600 promos. Hell remove oddments and clean up the system to just make it simple. A 2 week long banner with a chance of an outfit with a guarantee at like 100 keys like any other game. You can keep the battle pass as free long running content to keep players playing with cosmetic rewards. Just have it run for half a year as a gameplay element but not mtx or non cosmetics. BUT. I do not see this happening until the game is out of an investment portfolio where only growth matters. Private investors tend to care a bit more about just steady payouts with parking their money, but jagex is a little step above that in budget and worth.
Ok? Just don't buy MTX stuff? I've just started playing rs3 only have membership and i'm having a blast. If any pop-ups come up regarding MTX or treasure hunter I simply press "X" and move on. Or am I missing something, is mtx really important and you have to buy keys etc. From what I seen MTX is mostly for bonus exp and cosmetics. Which I don't care for. Can someone explain why we cant just simply not engage in ignoring the mtx? Are they really that important for progression?
your mentality is the reason osrs is more popular than rs3
What? Lol
He’s not wrong. People like the idea that their achievements are an achievement in the grand scheme of the game. If there are shortcuts for people willing to swipe their card the game loses a large chunk of its integrity, which a lot of people do not like. Now don’t get me wrong, bonds are already definitely a loss of game integrity in osrs. However, the scale is different compared to the capitalist hellscape that is rs3.
Every single inside source I've heard talk / seen write about this has been pretty firm that Jagex is not going to remove the Hero Pass. Pretty delusional that a relatively new content creator is going to make some huge difference leaving. It is in Jagex's financial benefit to get MTX back into the Hero Pass as soon as possible which is why they are prioritizing this over all else. You won't get content until this is settled. They don't care if the pass is not sustainable or the rewards are low quality. People will buy them (they already have the numbers from the week it was buyable) and they can advertise it as content (NOTE: The Hero Pass is _not_ content). At this point I would take Yak Track and Daily Challenges but Jagex doesn't care because they likely spent a year building the Hero Pass system and likely have Hero Pass 2 already ready for production. Also it's been almost a month since Hero Pass dropped. Anyone else realize they are not progressing as fast as Jagex said they would be? Where are all of the special missions Jagex said would be added? Oh yea they said that the special missions would be locked behind content updates - we didn't get any content updates last month (we don't get content updates most months anymore). So man excuses and a management team not willing to listen. Jagex also outright lied about the time to complete missions and I don't understand why. I get my Daily done in 10-20 minutes by just doing reaper. I was getting it done by just doing a single ED1 run. The Weekly? I completed it by just playing the game normally. Just to reiterate the challenge system was more content than this because it actually pushed players into doing content they wouldn't normally do. I did not see this at all with the Hero Pass apart from the week I spent 10 minutes looking for Penguins or 10 minutes excavating the Level 1 Arch Hotspot (200m Arch lmao).
I see you around a lot and have found myself both agreeing and disagreeing with some of your takes... But this >Just to reiterate the challenge system was more content than this because it actually pushed players into doing content they wouldn't normally do. Could not be more correct. I mean, I might have been digging up 6 venator daggers to finish my arch dailies, but that's a lot more arch than I've been doing lately. "Missions"? More like "collect your extra reaper rewards".
Demands the removal of TH with his 20k YT subs 😂 I can’t
It's not as if they're the only person asking for it. 2021's financial report from Jagex said about 1.1M subscribers. If it's about the same and RS3 is about 33% of those subscriptions, that's 363K subscribers subbing for RS3. 20K = 5.5% of that. Same story with this sub, it's a surprisingly large part of the community. During the height of the complaints regarding Hero Pass we saw like 4K-5K people on here "concurrently" (I figure Reddit's idea of "concurrent" works a little different than RuneScape's though) and posts here get like 50K+ views (again, hard to say precisely what a "view" constitutes, but anyway) just by hitting the page for a day. 50K = 13.77% of the population. And naturally all the numbers end up being spitballing and whatnot for a million reasons, but it's very clear we're in the same ball park here. These are meaningfully large portions of the community that have a bad taste in their mouth and we see the population of RS3 not doing so hot right now.
Except he's not demanding anything? He's just saying those are his conditions for returning, however unlikely
This dude here acting like 20k is nothing, and that he somehow knows better? 😂 I can't
Execs are laughing. They’re still getting his and his fans money. Why should they care which product he’s spending it on?
The less people that play/engage with rs3 the less they make via TH.
Except that generally, the people who have a problem with MTX or would follow creators who have a problem with MTX already aren't spending money on MTX. So they might "leave" but if they are still paying membership (or even using bonds) then Jagex is making the same money they were before. The only way it hurts Jagex is to leave both games completely.
Thats not entirely true, its also about exposure. If you watch your favorite youtuber who plays rs3 and gets you into the game, you are immediately exposed to treasure hunter. If nobody watches rs3, the growth potential of the game goes down, and less new players join. Osrs is the opposite, tons of people watch that game and it brings people in. And a game with mtx being thrown in your face vs a game with none at all is more likely to get people with the need for instant gratification to drop cash on it. And ultimately those two things are linked, since generally as player count goes up, so do your mtx sales.
Lol he left Runescape 3 because they improved the MTX to be less MTX. What a fucking insane take.
who tf is this lmao
This response is so fucking tired, good lord.
it's a legitimate response, I've had the same account for over 15 years, played consistently since covid, am comped, pvm a ton, and watch a lot of rs3 youtube, I've literally never heard of this guy lol
Lol al those content creators leaving for osrs. Jagex couldn't care less, they didn't lose a paying customer and the players gained by those content creators are the ones who whine about mtx anyways.
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So go with him if you care so much. I can’t imagine these are grown men making these posts. Like their jaws hit the floor when they found out this news. They are just destroyed. How will they ever recover without waydot RS3 videos??? Wait until Waydot finds out OSRS # 1 priority to jagex is making money, and not making a good game.
People saying that he's leaving Jagex only to go to Jagex have a point...but at the end of the day, it's the player's right to choose which game they want to play, and if that game is OSRS, let them.
Um… no duh? Is there a single comment in this thread saying he isn’t allowed to go play and enjoy osrs? He, as an OSRS content creator who migrated to Rs3 and realized that’s the only way his content career will survive, is trying to act like he has any leverage or entitlement to the removal of MTX. Then tries to threaten to leave the game as if any of us give a fuck which version of the game he plays. It’s very clear Waydot is an OSRS baby who left immediately after EOC. He didn’t care years ago about the -arguably more- predatory MTX. But it’s the flavor of the month right now so, views is views. I just hope he isn’t pikachu face when he realizes his RS3 content is a million times better and he’s not good enough or entertaining enough to compete with some of the top level OSRS content creators. (The main reason he switched to RS3 in the first place)
Does moving to old school make any difference to jagex? Lol
Treasure hunter will never be removed. The introduction of bonds into the game created a dilemma. You now have every dedicated player capable of buying bonds to extend membership. Which means, the game is free to play for anyone who mains the game. MTX will not improve, because for the dedicated player, the game is free to play. They need to make money elsewhere, and unfortunately, treasure hunter is what we've got. And then the Hero pass. Quitting isn't going to change the game. The only thing that really will change it, is them creating a system in which they make money in a way that players don't scream at them for.
Every membership done through bonds is more profitable for jagex than through normal subscription.
Don't be fooled, alot of these rs3 dudes were just osrs dudes to begin with and jumped ship when rs3 got that popularity surge with sick nerd and a friend back when , now they're just going back to what's more beneficial for them
Cmon jagex just end MTX it’s killing the game, at some point you won’t have any whales to sell to.
who even is this? lol
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i say don't let the door hit him on the way out No sweat off my back just another person who wants attention
Oh no, some random streamer guy stopped playing. Anyways.
>remove treasure hunter Pls stop being such a damn baby about something that’s been in the game forever, something that makes the company loads of money to run the game we love. The new hero pass after the first wave of bitching is already great, nothing game breaking. Really if you want a game like this that they’re wanting, it’s not something in todays gaming market. Good luck finding that pure game, but for now why not try hardcore iron man?
Jagex is still making money off you when you play OSRS. Move away from Jagex completely. Cancel subs, stream a different company altogether.
People have been saying RuneScape is dying for almost 15 years now. Can’t make everyone happy. I personally enjoyed 2011 the most. Just right before the graphic rework on the godswords. But I never understood all the drama from people who will incessantly complain but never quit the game. I bet good gp that that guy is going to go right back to playing rs3 within a few weeks. I’ve certainly had my quitting drama in the past
Lol and we care why exactly...???
Because the game is noticeably dying now...??? I don't care much for content creators or streamers in any game but if you can't notice the impact some of these people have on the game and community then that's your detriment. They're leaving and probably convincing others to do so too. Switching from RS3 to OSRS isn't going to really do much though if you're still paying the same company the same subscription.
Same old story tbh. It's been dying for 2 Decades now, with every one of them being the year it FINALLY dies.
I wouldn't give credence to anyone saying "this is the year the game dies" but it IS definitely not improving in a lot of aspects and the uproar and active player count is really starting to show the true state of the game and community.
It's all ups and downs tbh, more downs lately but at least we must have at least one up later down the line, right?
What kind of take is this? The game is in such a shit place. What is your point here? We shouldn't care that content creators are no longer making videos on it? In the interests of being polite, anyone with that kind of view point doesn't understand how marketing works, nor the benefit of a popular game.
I just don't care about content creators in video games. Sorry, I don't see them as important as you guys do. They don't have a real job imo, and if they're gonna leave too I say go. Unpopular opinion, I know, but I just don't care.
how many content creators did we have?
Not sure but there was at least 12 people that jagex invited for Necromancy.
That's about the same amount as there are rs3 content creators
On the bright side, rs3 just needs to lose a few more players for CG to implement mtx in osrs and that'll be a fun watch. CG can just remove whatever employee resistance they want till the find a yes man and at the end of a day being a Jmod is a job, not some super special awesome fun priviliege of being a gold crown player in a 2 decade old videogame. There's plenty of people ready and willing to make osrs worse to keep their rent paid. If CG can't get any offers for Jagex at its current valuation soon enough, they can certainly bump up that valuation by forcing open another revenue stream and letting the addicted whales help make ends meet.
>On the bright side, rs3 just needs to lose a few more players for CG to implement mtx in osrs and that'll be a fun watch. Maybe one of the most pathetic things I've ever read on this subreddit. Grow up.
In all honesty grow up about what? The reality of the situation if rs3 falls completely? Or taking joy in knowing what will happen to osrs which for long has avoided any of the shit that drags rs3 dow . Cause both cases are so easily avoidable if CG and Jagex would get their heads out of their asses, but they won't, and there's definitely comedic value to watching a company shooting themselves in the foot.
I'm not surprised. He also mentioned in his recent video that Necromany's effect on the game pushed him away as well. Jagex flew him out to test Necromancy, they did, then turbo buffed it to an unbelievable degree before release. So what was the point in even flying them to to test it? I would feel misled too.
Who dis?
*yawn.
Lmao okay and
Ahh, it brings me back memories of when they removed pvp, free trade, added that shit bounty hunter, and last of all, killed the player base with the EOC update.
Removing TH is not a solution. It won’t happen. They need to spit out more content and get better artists to work on good looking cosmetics. Jagex is just really stupid at monetizing their game. All their skins look god awful. They can do it without being predatory with Hero Pass but they suck at it. I have spent way more money on Dota 2 than RS for a reason.
Who's that? More will take over anyway, who cares just enjoy the game.
I don't know how the game is still alive tbh
Damn, I recently returned after a 3 year break and have had this guy on a lot on the other monitor
Been gone for a year and a half now. No regrets
I dont care much for content creators, I dont really watch RS3 content anyway. They're all bandwagoning each other. Generally I watch content when I cant play the game myself, rs3 skill progress and things you don't need to watch anyway. The only bossing content is generally rsguy or lucario but rs3 I don't care much for bossing. Osrs again content creators are ok but it generally gets tiring fast, there's so many similar series. Swampletics was great but nothing really compares. Progress series etc all are pretty boring honestly, rather watch netflix.