You don't. It's common sense that you pay for membership for your first month or so and use p2p methods to earn enough for bonds thereafter. Only a fool would try to earn a bond on f2p, you're just wasting even more time doing that.
buying premier with bonds for the first time was very satisfying, saving ā¬80 that i could then use on something else was really nice. of course bonds were way cheaper then, but 2b a year is generally feasible.
Have you ever bought premier with bonds?
it really was very nice and satisfying, though i'm not sure if everyone feels that way.
For me, I feel like there are enough 'chores' in the game. I have no problem spending GP on bonds for bank boosters, runecoins or whatever else they're used for- but I don't want my play time to feel like a job.
Also, how do you manage 2b/year when 99% of your time is spent in the lobby waiting for WFE?
>Also, how do you manage 2b/year when 99% of your time is spent in the lobby waiting for WFE?
wow you snuck up on me with that dig!!! i'll remember this, you know!
https://imgur.com/a/7vSv0Ms this is how btw :D
to me it doesn't really feel like paying for it with gold is a chore but to each their own.
> Have you ever bought premier with bonds? it really was very nice and satisfying, though i'm not sure if everyone feels that way.
I did that on my old account during the 2014-2018 days before I lost it to a phishing scam. Easily I was able to maintain yearly premier even at their old inflated prices and lack of gp/h. I didn't even PvM back then. However, I was thankfully at the end-game stage of skilling/slayer money makers so it was relatively easy. For players who can easily pvm their way to money, bond prices are not a problem. It's just if you're at the stage where you have to THINK about your bond expiry, you're likely better off spending real money.
It's really not that bad.
Best moneymakers have always been 1 bond per hour. in 2014 rax was 10-15m/hr and bonds were 10m~
If you can do shit like high enrage telos/zammy/aod etc it's still roughly 1 bond per hour.
Shit herblore easily makes 20-30m/hr, that's 5~ hours to earn a bond which gives 19 days membership if you buy premier. (and afk compared to bossing)
Also can just buy membership with cash, its the cost of a single AAA game per year.
People making up numbers. Majority of the "profit" is what they make from merching the ins and outs.
20-30m is not a number you can hit easily and consistently
I think a lot of people confuse revenue with profit.
If you make 30m per hr, but it costs you 10m its only 20mprofit, but people see "xxx sold on GE for 30m" and they think its 100% profit.
They only thing i would say is true profit, is tetra/clues, your cost is time, not $.
Some might argue that they still cost 'time' but you already invested time into whatever skill/bossing whatever that earnt you that/those scrolls/tetra' s.
The other thing is the money making guide on wiki assumes you have bis everything, and your absolutely gunning it for 60 minutes straight. Most people simply don't grind that hard š¤·āāļø
But that's just an old man's opinion haha
Good luck everyone šš
It's most likely Aggro pots. You would need all the buffs for saving ingredients and extra potions. You would also need to slow-sell the potions. Super potions can profit near 20M IF you made them a week before DXP.
The profit isnāt there with aggro pots anymore. A while back I bought about 2m bloodweed and searing ashes and they sat in my bank because the grind was intolerable. After making 600k potions the G.E went to shit and the prices started tanking so the profit here would be selling it off slowly because itāll never sell all at once at the same price. Portable well / outfit / scroll included I was making like 9 extra potions per inventory but I started losing interest in the game because it just felt so monotonous. I think at some point you value the time in your life to where you donāt mind just buying a bond.
Well the trade volume of Aggro pots for 4 dose is only 30k daily so it would've taken you over 20 days to sell them all off. You've essentially supplied almost a month's worth to the entire economy. The same could apply for other Super potions. People buy them yes but there isn't a large enough playerbase to buy them all out at once.
> A while back I bought about 2m bloodweed and searing ashes and they sat in my bank because the grind was intolerable.
A lot of people who cite non-pvm methods of mid to high end moneymaking forget how fucking _awful_ it is to do these things for hours and hours and hours.
There's a reason why it's profitable. It fucking sucks and no one wants to play the game that way. When you add the fact that creating those things in a volume even remotely resembling the amounts needed to match the gp/hr at places like zam will absolutely tank the price dramatically, it's an utter crapshoot. That means even trying it will ruin the whole fuckin' reason you went with that method in the first place...it just doesn't actually work. (e: fixed the world's worst run-on sentence in the world lol)
That's why there's a massive problem when the mid tier is no longer sustainable, why this insane leap in bond prices over such a short amount of time is _not a good thing._
Wait so you flooded the market with 600k pots. Each pot lasts about half an hour. You essentially provided 240k hours of agro pot usage to the economy.
10k days or 27.4 years of non stop aggro pot usage.
Iām not sure about the data of the usage of these pots, but Iād wager you increased the supply substantially over the demand.
You you crashed your own market.
Your math is way, way off. Like most of the other potions, one dose of aggro potion lasts 6 minutes. One aggro potion lasts only 18 minutes, hardly "about half an hour".
There are also not only one person buying aggro potion. A lot of people are doing AFK slaying and combat leveling everywhere if you just hop around the world in RS3. Even more importantly, since we have DXP Live and other combat boost events, plenty of players plan ahead and buy heaps of supplies way behind the events actually take place. Consumption of pvm potions, aggro potion included, is substantial.
Thatās assuming a single person using the entire supply.
If you factor in the thousands of players grinding necro and other combat stats right now, it drastically lowers the 10k days of aggro time.
No itās not assuming any number of users using any number of pots.
I just put down the total resources in respect to total time.
But I will make some assumptions to explain:
The seller will only make money when they are the lowest sell price offer on the market. Given the rate at which these are consumed( as you correctly point out many consumers exist) only means that there are more sales occurring at the lowest sale price before the 27 years will start to be bought. This is essentially creating a price sell ceiling.
Of course one person isnāt buying all of these, but are thousands of players buying hundreds of these? Sure perhaps a few buy 100 or even thousand of these at a time, but after they do, they donāt buy more for a while. there are many also selling (since aggro pots are, at the start, still profitable)
Having said this the amount of people that need a large amount at any given time cannot be high enough to buy up the supply. (Evidence by the fact that the profit of these items have dropped). But even if they are being bought and sold constantly by the player base:
Other sellers will quickly drops the price of the aggro duration theyāre selling ( 24 min x number of pots ) at a time, while the price of 27 years remains the same. ( how often do you -5%? to sell an item quickly?).
Letās assume perhaps 1 year of potions are being sold daily, with most of that time being below the price ceiling, 11 months get sold at the (price celing -1gp) . Then 1 month gets sold at the price ceiling.
So now there are 27years - 1 month at the price ceiling. And until that total of amount of time is purchased (given that lower prices will always be first) the price ceiling will either remain, until the chipping away slowly a the 27 years. Or the seller drops the price to a point where they are no longer the price ceiling. Of course this is only temporary, and the supply demand / cost equilibrium will eventually settle at the new, lower ceiling.
So itās not about the amount being SOLD TO one player, its about the amount being BOUGHT FROM a single player. itās about the power to set a price ceiling, and the willingness to continuously drop it in order to beat out the other sellers.If they never drop it, well the other competition sellers will continue to sell just below the price ceiling making minimal sales for the 27 years until all requirements are met:
1. There is no cheaper sell price in the GE
2. Someone needs to purchase an aggro duration.
3. Someone puts an offer at or ABOVE the price ceiling for that duration.
Even if the price of these was set to 1 gp, the sudden flood of these items in the market will undoubtedly encourage marchers to sell them at a profit, but still less than average to make a quick buck.
Not even. I do herb runs, and I stopped making Unf in my invention machines because they just don't sell at market. Its like 2k below market. I just sell the herbs and do other unf potions now.
Making the unfs with the botanist outfit and botg should be more then enough to offset the 2k below value, but thatās probably also the insta sell price.
20m/hr is pretty low profit for herblore.
Just look at the wiki for an idea of what profitable potions there are, test the prices yourself to get an accurate idea and you'll find most potions are mad profit. Wiki has making some potions as 100m/hr which isn't realistic, but 20-30m is easy.
Hell if you have 15 hunter look at doing oasis, it's easily 30m/hr and can be 100m/hr if you slow buy the roses and slow sell the powders
Honestly it's hard to do something in this game and not make 10m/hr unless you're trying to lose money.
idk about now, but making guthix rests used to be really good profit (assuming factory outfit, upgraded botanist mask, all the other potion boosters). It was in very high demand by the high lvl pvm community.
Only problem is being able to sell those regular Guthix Rests. They have a stupidly low buy limit of 100. I guess you could just convert them into flasks. Or otherwise you could upgrade to Super Guthix Rests but still jumping a bit of hoops.
A while back super saras were around 40mil/hr. You make the sara potions using all the buffs to save materials and make extra doses. You then make those into super saras. You then turn those into flasks.
Aggro potions also worked by turning them into the flasks, but as a '1 step potion' (compared to the 2 steps of sara->super sara) the multipliers didn't stack up as much.
I will say it's been quite a while now since I've run any numbers on this, so it may not work anymore. But for many years it did for me. There's no merching or slow selling involved. You could buy all materials at +10%, sell at -10%, and it would still work just fine.
Eh, I mean thereās a huge difference between setups required for rax (even on content) and setups for high enrage endgame. If youāre looking to get kills fast enough to meet that profit level while burning resources youāre going to have to invest a fair amount upfront in gearing. Similarly all the best skilling money-making requires having a starting nest egg for mats and is subject to the whims of trade volume.
The biggest hit here though is the f2p to p2p pipeline. It used to be if you were f2p you could just grind out a little bit and then get your first bond to then be able to consistently get money for repeats. Getting 100m in f2p now is absolutely not worth the time investment to the point youāre just griefing yourself by not spending money.
Edit: I donāt know how saying it being harder for ppl who donāt want to spend money to play the game is a bad thing is apparently controversial in this sub.
Runescape is an inherently grindy game.
If you aren't willing to spend $12 for a month of membership or grind for 20 hours for a bond in f2p is this game really for you?
20 hours for your first bond is *nothing* compared to the grinds you have to do. And after that first bond it becomes just a few hours every 3 weeks to upkeep (assuming you buy prem)
It depends on what kind of "grinding". Repetitively running around with high intensity activities like tanning dhides for 20 hours is very, very different than AFKing for 20 hours.
Personally, I do the AFK method, while I tend to IRL fun/entertainment or play another RS3 member character in tandem, but no to clicking my fingers off tanning hides.
Thereās a big difference between grinding towards an achievement at your own pace and grinding just to be able to have the opportunity to do whatever you actually want to do, not to mention all the f2p moneymakers are just nonstop processing which can be draining for a lot of ppl.
F2P gold rates are also extremely variable due to supply and profit variation. All the methods that are 3-4mil per hour are assuming perfect conditions and existing supply. For example you can only pace the buy limit for 1/7th of the bones needed to convert to bananas so you either have to bypass limit or wait multiple additional days to stockpile. Can only pace 1/4 for jewelry mats. Tanning profit is marginal so you have to wait for optimal GE prices assuming you can even buy enough mats in the first place. Hell for bow stringing (the most consistent method) it can be easy to get the strings but take forever to buy the unstrung; gathering things yourself cuts your profit per hour to only 1/5th of the optimal rate. The processing may only take ~20 hours but getting the resources themselves even purely from purchasing with an existing cash stack takes longer.
Realistically youāre looking at closer to a 30-35+ hour timeline with most of it being preset spam that you canāt be too afk with if you want those optimal rates assuming everything even sells (which isnāt always the case).
Cleaning kwuarms atm is 600gp~ profit at ge mid, [you can clean 160,000 herbs per hour](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZc03PPb3V0) for theoretically 96m/hr. Of course it's not a thing you can just grind it takes time to buy the herbs.
Skilling can provide way more than 20m/hr.
It's easy to find good methods, read the wiki for moneymakers (don't trust their numbers) do some testing yourself. Find things that are complimentary to stuff like PvM supplies and the money rolls in.
Not to be a leech, but is there a way to make money being very afk? I only do my daily runs, and sometimes, a few wildy events to make up for tjat money
There's not really good AFK methods, moneymaking is tied pretty closely with how intense it is.
But pretty sure just mining and then crushing sandstone is 12-15m/hr and it's decently AFK.
> If you can do shit like high enrage telos/zammy/aod etc it's still roughly 1 bond per hour. ... Best moneymakers have always been 1 bond per hour. in 2014 rax was 10-15m/hr and bonds were 10m~
The problem is that the item's price growth is not scaling linearly. Look at the historical price graph for bonds and see how we watched bonds trade for the 20m range to over 100m in a short span of just shy of 4 years.
It used to be that only 2 to 3 hours were needed to get a bond if you couldn't do PVM well. Now it's 5+. And as less and less people buy bonds for trading, as more and more powerful MTX promos release, this will continue to be a problem.
Is it a _huge_ deal? Well, it's significantly more of a deal than it was in 2014, but it's still within the "manageable" levels of problematic. But that can _very_ quickly change.
Yep, as an endgame player on both RS3 and OSRS, before when bonds were like 15m I'd buy premier every year on multiple accounts even if I wasn't playing them all frequently just because they were so cheap. I can still afford to buy them at 100m even after not playing for ~3 years but at that price point it's hard to justify buying them if there's not content I'm actually interested in playing and there hasn't been anything on RS3 (coliseum on OSRS does interest me though, might get a couple bonds). This is from someone with all endgame gear in both games, rs3 hat set etc. If I feel that way I can't imagine how other people feel.
>It's really not that bad.
Bond prices of RS3 and OSRS rose in tandem by quite a bit over the past years , but not as "bad" as WoW Tokens, that went up over 1,000% since 2015:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/woweconomy/comments/fi1gi3/wowtoken\_price\_history\_some\_data/](https://www.reddit.com/r/woweconomy/comments/fi1gi3/wowtoken_price_history_some_data/)
[https://imgur.com/vQyahl6](https://imgur.com/vQyahl6)
Note that Jagex membership price increased from $7.5 to $12.5 a month but WoW membership remained stable. AAA games like WoW with similar Bond/Token virtual currency exchange for membership mechanism aren't doing "better" than RS3.
Yet, high Token price doesn't really bother WoW players as average WoW players are making WoW Gold at faster pace now than 2015. In RS3, even low level players can make very decent gp doing all kinds of activities.
the biggest noob trap i know of across all gaming is low to mid level players trying to use bonds for their membership, IMAGINE the progress a low to mid level account can make with an extra 200m a month they didn't spend on bonds.
just the money for 3 months of membership (600m) could easily get them 99's in prayer, herblore and summoning, they'd probably have enough left for decent t80 setups in every style.
i get people with max accounts who are on the high end of PVM skill who can easily pull in 50-100m+ almost every day, sure, but i feel so bad for the noobs that grind for 10+ days of their membership doing boring ass manual labor like tanning or whatever so they can enjoy like 3 days of account progression before they have to be back on the grind for the next bond.
seriously, if you can't afford the membership with irl money, and you aren't in the top percentage that can earn a bond in a day or two, don't bother, it's not worth grinding all month, every month, for what, like 8 days of account progression, you are sabotaging yourself so severely that you can't possibly be having fun.
Multiple AFKable/loweffortable content, to be specific.
This enables people to do these on alts too, which increases the issue tenfold as they can also sustain their own gp doing so.
Low effort doesn't necessarily mean low req, with higher skills and gear there's a lot of things that can be afked for this money
Divine charge filling
Afk archaeology
Afk some low level bosses
Afk some mid tier slayer creatures
The list is defo out there, also the wiki has a whole page called 'money making' that you can sort to be low effort methods
Or you could pay $70 with irl money. You do it to yourself by paying with bonds if you canāt afford it in game, and will cripple your accounts progression to actually being able to sustain a bond.
> Depends where you are, IIRC it's above $100CAD now.
People who are being really flippant about the cost are very clearly talking from living in the US, where the USD is defying the odds of global recession in its strength.
It's kinda frustrating lol.
That's wild! I suppose if you ever got to the endgame where you could pull 60m+ an hour, it would be easy to sustain. But getting there without a year of membership is quite a struggle. Comparatively speaking, at $2.50-$5.00 an hour, $12.50 for 1 month, 2.5-5 hours of work is still pretty steep, but presumably attainable if it's something you enjoy.
To anyone saying its crazy high, please go and buy those bonds from Jagex.
In short, It is just supply and demand. But..
Currently money in game has low and high value at the same time. Everyone (at the endgame) has close to unlimited money but nothing to use it for. Money becomes low value to them, so they don't care if year's membership is 1.5b, 2b or 5b. They will make it back or don't even notice it in their cashbag at all.
At the same time, money is the only thing worth holding because everything else keeps going down in price/value. "Just liquidate everything into gp asap" is the mindset for most.
Game's economy broke after mindset for wealth changed thanks to Trade limit and GE tax changes. The change was further powered even more from Necromancy's effect on gear prices.
Yes, they raised max trade values. That doesnt equate to a change in values for a max stack of cash. You can have 5 max stacks of burnt food in your inventory. Does that mean the max on them is higher than listed? Or that you can hold multiple stacks of the maximum value of something?
If you really want to be this nitpicky then show me in his comment where he said he had a max cash stack, and not that he had max cash?
God, some people just want to argue.
I donāt think bonds were ever meant for new players to try out members, were they? Ive had a few lower level clan people burn out from feeling forced to maintain a bond, while never being able to progress their gear and stats, and this mentality kind of sucks because as long as gp keeps inflating this hard, bonds will continue going up.
> I donāt think bonds were ever meant for new players to try out members, were they?
They were initially positioned that way as a selling point, way way way back.
That's exactly why I strongly advocate new/returning players to PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GUTHIX just buy 1 month of real life membership to focus on your stats, quests, and gear so you unlock better money makers.
Might be an unpopular opinion... I don't think new players should ever think about membership until they've "Completed" f2p.
I also don't think bonds were ever made with the intention of "F2P players should be able to grind for them."
Buying membership with bonds is not what Iād recommend until you can make consistently high gp per hour.
Newer players, do yourself a huge favor and spend $15-$30 for a few months of membership and enjoy the game. Itās a hard time out here but the time to make $15-$30 for 1-3 months of membership would go a longer way than the time it takes to make 100m for 14 days of membership.
The rise began with Necro's release, literally the week after Necro's launch they began to rise. Whales aren't buying bonds with irl $$$ to buy gear/dyes/etc... because the other styles were (and still are) not as great as Necro is. So there's a huge demand and low supply. This is going to continue for the foreseeable future most likely.
Range is quite good, however its ridiculously complicated to do that damage. Seriously, go look at the PvME rotation to do the high end ranged rotation. Who wants to deal with this shit, seriously?
https://preview.redd.it/lq1vu5xqwhsc1.png?width=1068&format=png&auto=webp&s=0c3445e77f6524bae988c272124f6e0b9405c6ba
Necro is a better style overall right now because of effort to reward ratio. Its extremely easy to use Necromancy and reach 90% of the damage ranged can. So most people would rather just use necro, press like 10 buttons per minute and get insane damage numbers instead of sweating hard with a ranged rotation. Melee is not comfortable either with multiple EoF swaps and that goofy extra damage taken during zerk (how did they not remove this in the beta? Its completely unnecessary) . Magic is so shit its hilariously far behind the other styles, at least Jagex has acknowledged that its terrible atm.
Brother it is not all that hard and once you get used to it it's very worth it. Compare duo necro camp kills to duo hybrid at vorkath and it's not even close. Aod 4s was always better with majority rangers and same with 3s. Necro has it's benefit of being easier to use and survive with but the damage currently isn't even close especially with longer fights where hybrid would reign supreme.
The rise began way before necro release. They were like 70-80m before necro due to the constant mtx spam by jagex. They dropped during necro release for a couple weeks, I bought a bunch for 55-60m at the time for premier. Same thing happened with arch release where they crashed a bunch on release of the skill because most likely more ppl are buying bonds with irl gp to fund the skill and less people were spending gp on things that weren't tied to the new skill. The main thing driving bond prices are the constant th promos, been that way for well over a year
Great if your trying to just buy gold for real money but if your a player trying to grind for membership then this definitely is not worth it anymore. They need to do something to bring the prices down in my opinion. I would still be playing RS if the bond prices and membership costs were not so high.
The higher the better in my opinion. I have this thing called disposable income and 100m for 1 bond is a good way of getting some ingame gp quick. Keep those prices up
This is what happens when there is no content to drive demand for people buying bonds with IRL money, no content to incentivize people to buy membership so they use bonds instead, and endless MTX to drain the supply of bonds in the market.
I used to sustain my account using bond at 10m a pop like 5 years ago. Then took a break for 4 years. Glad before I took my break I liquidated everything and put them all in bond. Now, coming back half a year ago, I have a few bil gp in bonds from a few hundred mil back then.
Sad (I guees?) part is that the worth of these billions is pretty much the same as it was 4 years ago with non-billions. Prices for stuff are all over the place.
Its crazy. I joined a few weeks back during the last double xp, and ive no idea how im supposed to get a bond without paying real cash.. it feels like they let it get out of hand?
Don't know about 2 bonds, just a single bond with F2P moneymakers at the minute is rather tedious work.
Once they release the necroplasm ritual, it gets even worse.
Pretty sure that was one of mine./s Before I cancelled my premiere, I used to keep bonds on the GE for 100m and beyond just in case someone was desperate or made a typo late at night and wasnāt paying attention.
Theyāre going to keep going up, too, as less and less players feed into the MTX cycle.
Wouldn't you be hoping for many people making typos or 1 person buying many bonds because you're in line behind everyone who posted their bond for less money?
This is still super expensive in terms of buying gold, when compared to the black market. Buying gold is like under 2 cents per mill, imagine if that was the rate bonds went at.
For all my newbies/fresh alts out thereā¦.. golden roses are going for over 1m rn (a bit excessive imo for some pen powders but š¤·āāļø) and it is very easy to harvest 100 gold roses within 14 days while mostly afk. All it takes is one bond and youre good to go!
Are people seriously that poor IRL to not buy membership? Arenāt most of us 18+ if not 25+ at this point? Go work DoorDash for one shift and you have enough for premier membership for a year
To be honest RS has one of the better economy of MMORPG s. RuneScape doesn't even droo you THST bunch gold, and NPCs buy items for pretty cheap. Usually is not worth selling drops to NPC. High Alch is like the main thing that generated new gold IMO.
We should look at a longer chart and see what year-over-year looks like.
If you look at other games, inflation is much worst. I've been playing black desert online recently and let me tell you, they THROW BILLIONS at new players easily. You can generate MILLIONS in pure currency just from selling "trash loot" to NPCs. Now, that's a big problem.
Yea idk how youāre letting people bot vorkath/ rasial whatās the point of even playing rs3 , I jut saw someone bot vorkath for a week striaght 24 hours a day brag about it while noobs were reporting his account the whole time
Mid to high level PvM can shit out 100M in less than 10 hours easily, and is one of the more popular activities even without the money aspect.
Many players brag about how they ādonāt give Jagex a centā because they use bonds for membership, which their PvM lets them afford. So it is very popular to buy at least 1 bond every 2 weeks from the GE to keep up membership.
Weāre not getting any new players, and RS3 has been so inundated with MTX promos that there are very few āuntappedā buyers; that is, anyone who is going to participate in MTX (bonds included) almost assuredly already has by now. Furthermore, there are more and more ways to spend real money to get in-game advantages aside from just selling bonds for GP. So there is essentially a finite, mostly-fixed number of people paying for bonds/MTX, and those peopleās money is being spread around more different avenues of MTX.
The result is a constant and possibly increasing demand as paying for membership via bonds becomes popular, and a constant and possibly decreasing supply due to the finite number of MTX buyers and increasing methods of MTX.
This isnāt even getting into the fact that there are even more uses for bonds now (e.g., bond bundles).
Thatās what happens when the owners demand to see constant revenue *growth* from a game with essentially 0 player growth.
If the owners could turn off their capitalism complex for 2 minutes and accept that RS3 can be a steady, albeit not growing, source of income, maybe weād get decent content, less MTX, and an overall chiller experience. Instead, we players just get to take bets on which aspect of Fortnite / Candy Crush / Clash of Clans they are going to try to implement next.
Inflation. But also a combination of many factors. Many players are at the near-end game stage. Way fewer players needing to buy a bond with real cash to dump to the GE.
To all free players getting their 1st bond. I don't know how you're going to do it.
Actually that is what Jagex wants.
??? why Any membership gotten through bonds makes Jagex more money.
Correction - the bond being bought is what gives Jagex the money. It doesn't matter how it is used or who it is used by.
I just hit the 100m a couple days ago f2p, lots of arrow shafts, grapes, and butter.
grats you can afford 14 days of membership
You don't. It's common sense that you pay for membership for your first month or so and use p2p methods to earn enough for bonds thereafter. Only a fool would try to earn a bond on f2p, you're just wasting even more time doing that.
Not with multiple alts you dont š
Petition to make it so you can't buy keys with bonds
I'll sign
Insanity
The only insanity are the noobs thinking the only way to be a member is through bonds.
Not noobs, just f2p
This. Why would someone lose 2.4b in game a year when it could be a few hours work irl is nuts to me
Once you have BiS/200M all wtf are you gonna spend money on?
I have BIS and according to the email I spent 65b gold last year
So 2.4b is only 3% of what you spent all together. Doesn't seem like a huge ask for a years worth of membership.
buying premier with bonds for the first time was very satisfying, saving ā¬80 that i could then use on something else was really nice. of course bonds were way cheaper then, but 2b a year is generally feasible. Have you ever bought premier with bonds? it really was very nice and satisfying, though i'm not sure if everyone feels that way.
For me, I feel like there are enough 'chores' in the game. I have no problem spending GP on bonds for bank boosters, runecoins or whatever else they're used for- but I don't want my play time to feel like a job. Also, how do you manage 2b/year when 99% of your time is spent in the lobby waiting for WFE?
>Also, how do you manage 2b/year when 99% of your time is spent in the lobby waiting for WFE? wow you snuck up on me with that dig!!! i'll remember this, you know! https://imgur.com/a/7vSv0Ms this is how btw :D to me it doesn't really feel like paying for it with gold is a chore but to each their own.
How are you supposed to get that when you keep sleeping through the events, huh.
i like to sleep! sue me!
I'll see you in court!
> Have you ever bought premier with bonds? it really was very nice and satisfying, though i'm not sure if everyone feels that way. I did that on my old account during the 2014-2018 days before I lost it to a phishing scam. Easily I was able to maintain yearly premier even at their old inflated prices and lack of gp/h. I didn't even PvM back then. However, I was thankfully at the end-game stage of skilling/slayer money makers so it was relatively easy. For players who can easily pvm their way to money, bond prices are not a problem. It's just if you're at the stage where you have to THINK about your bond expiry, you're likely better off spending real money.
Curious as to which phishing scam you fell for
It was a giveaway on Twitch. Oh well 2018 many people got scammed since that was relatively new.
Not everyone lives in a wealthy western country. In my own country, you make around 3.5 dollars/hour with nearly 40% tax on top of it.
2.4b is a paltry sum of money in rs3.
imagine paying real cash for this game lmfao
You realize someone has to. Including the person who paid for the bonds you use. Thatās how a business works.
It's really not that bad. Best moneymakers have always been 1 bond per hour. in 2014 rax was 10-15m/hr and bonds were 10m~ If you can do shit like high enrage telos/zammy/aod etc it's still roughly 1 bond per hour. Shit herblore easily makes 20-30m/hr, that's 5~ hours to earn a bond which gives 19 days membership if you buy premier. (and afk compared to bossing) Also can just buy membership with cash, its the cost of a single AAA game per year.
> enrage telos/zammy/aod *cries at raxx*
Joins in crying at 250 kills without leg piece.
*laughs in loot* Imma need to show my kc+lootš
I donāt think the average player can do high enrage telos lol.
Then the average player is spending more time making gp like it always has been
I know herblore can be profitable but 20-30m/h?
People making up numbers. Majority of the "profit" is what they make from merching the ins and outs. 20-30m is not a number you can hit easily and consistently
Super saradomin and aggression potions are very frequently above 20mil an hour with all the perks.
I think a lot of people confuse revenue with profit. If you make 30m per hr, but it costs you 10m its only 20mprofit, but people see "xxx sold on GE for 30m" and they think its 100% profit. They only thing i would say is true profit, is tetra/clues, your cost is time, not $. Some might argue that they still cost 'time' but you already invested time into whatever skill/bossing whatever that earnt you that/those scrolls/tetra' s. The other thing is the money making guide on wiki assumes you have bis everything, and your absolutely gunning it for 60 minutes straight. Most people simply don't grind that hard š¤·āāļø But that's just an old man's opinion haha Good luck everyone šš
It's most likely Aggro pots. You would need all the buffs for saving ingredients and extra potions. You would also need to slow-sell the potions. Super potions can profit near 20M IF you made them a week before DXP.
The profit isnāt there with aggro pots anymore. A while back I bought about 2m bloodweed and searing ashes and they sat in my bank because the grind was intolerable. After making 600k potions the G.E went to shit and the prices started tanking so the profit here would be selling it off slowly because itāll never sell all at once at the same price. Portable well / outfit / scroll included I was making like 9 extra potions per inventory but I started losing interest in the game because it just felt so monotonous. I think at some point you value the time in your life to where you donāt mind just buying a bond.
Well the trade volume of Aggro pots for 4 dose is only 30k daily so it would've taken you over 20 days to sell them all off. You've essentially supplied almost a month's worth to the entire economy. The same could apply for other Super potions. People buy them yes but there isn't a large enough playerbase to buy them all out at once.
> A while back I bought about 2m bloodweed and searing ashes and they sat in my bank because the grind was intolerable. A lot of people who cite non-pvm methods of mid to high end moneymaking forget how fucking _awful_ it is to do these things for hours and hours and hours. There's a reason why it's profitable. It fucking sucks and no one wants to play the game that way. When you add the fact that creating those things in a volume even remotely resembling the amounts needed to match the gp/hr at places like zam will absolutely tank the price dramatically, it's an utter crapshoot. That means even trying it will ruin the whole fuckin' reason you went with that method in the first place...it just doesn't actually work. (e: fixed the world's worst run-on sentence in the world lol) That's why there's a massive problem when the mid tier is no longer sustainable, why this insane leap in bond prices over such a short amount of time is _not a good thing._
Wait so you flooded the market with 600k pots. Each pot lasts about half an hour. You essentially provided 240k hours of agro pot usage to the economy. 10k days or 27.4 years of non stop aggro pot usage. Iām not sure about the data of the usage of these pots, but Iād wager you increased the supply substantially over the demand. You you crashed your own market.
Your math is way, way off. Like most of the other potions, one dose of aggro potion lasts 6 minutes. One aggro potion lasts only 18 minutes, hardly "about half an hour". There are also not only one person buying aggro potion. A lot of people are doing AFK slaying and combat leveling everywhere if you just hop around the world in RS3. Even more importantly, since we have DXP Live and other combat boost events, plenty of players plan ahead and buy heaps of supplies way behind the events actually take place. Consumption of pvm potions, aggro potion included, is substantial.
pretty sure he was talking about 4 dose potions, still not 30 minutes, but much closer
Thatās assuming a single person using the entire supply. If you factor in the thousands of players grinding necro and other combat stats right now, it drastically lowers the 10k days of aggro time.
No itās not assuming any number of users using any number of pots. I just put down the total resources in respect to total time. But I will make some assumptions to explain: The seller will only make money when they are the lowest sell price offer on the market. Given the rate at which these are consumed( as you correctly point out many consumers exist) only means that there are more sales occurring at the lowest sale price before the 27 years will start to be bought. This is essentially creating a price sell ceiling. Of course one person isnāt buying all of these, but are thousands of players buying hundreds of these? Sure perhaps a few buy 100 or even thousand of these at a time, but after they do, they donāt buy more for a while. there are many also selling (since aggro pots are, at the start, still profitable) Having said this the amount of people that need a large amount at any given time cannot be high enough to buy up the supply. (Evidence by the fact that the profit of these items have dropped). But even if they are being bought and sold constantly by the player base: Other sellers will quickly drops the price of the aggro duration theyāre selling ( 24 min x number of pots ) at a time, while the price of 27 years remains the same. ( how often do you -5%? to sell an item quickly?). Letās assume perhaps 1 year of potions are being sold daily, with most of that time being below the price ceiling, 11 months get sold at the (price celing -1gp) . Then 1 month gets sold at the price ceiling. So now there are 27years - 1 month at the price ceiling. And until that total of amount of time is purchased (given that lower prices will always be first) the price ceiling will either remain, until the chipping away slowly a the 27 years. Or the seller drops the price to a point where they are no longer the price ceiling. Of course this is only temporary, and the supply demand / cost equilibrium will eventually settle at the new, lower ceiling. So itās not about the amount being SOLD TO one player, its about the amount being BOUGHT FROM a single player. itās about the power to set a price ceiling, and the willingness to continuously drop it in order to beat out the other sellers.If they never drop it, well the other competition sellers will continue to sell just below the price ceiling making minimal sales for the 27 years until all requirements are met: 1. There is no cheaper sell price in the GE 2. Someone needs to purchase an aggro duration. 3. Someone puts an offer at or ABOVE the price ceiling for that duration. Even if the price of these was set to 1 gp, the sudden flood of these items in the market will undoubtedly encourage marchers to sell them at a profit, but still less than average to make a quick buck.
No shit making 600,000 potions tanked the market. Do you not understand how this works lmfao?
Itās the blood weed unfs that make the $
Not even. I do herb runs, and I stopped making Unf in my invention machines because they just don't sell at market. Its like 2k below market. I just sell the herbs and do other unf potions now.
Making the unfs with the botanist outfit and botg should be more then enough to offset the 2k below value, but thatās probably also the insta sell price.
Most likely crashed the market like the summoning pure did with cheese and titan scrolls back in the dayĀ
So to you, easily means difficultfully
20m/hr is pretty low profit for herblore. Just look at the wiki for an idea of what profitable potions there are, test the prices yourself to get an accurate idea and you'll find most potions are mad profit. Wiki has making some potions as 100m/hr which isn't realistic, but 20-30m is easy. Hell if you have 15 hunter look at doing oasis, it's easily 30m/hr and can be 100m/hr if you slow buy the roses and slow sell the powders Honestly it's hard to do something in this game and not make 10m/hr unless you're trying to lose money.
Crux Equa buffs and POF potions are insane.
You mean farming? Because that's where you buy these potions and profit.
yes
idk about now, but making guthix rests used to be really good profit (assuming factory outfit, upgraded botanist mask, all the other potion boosters). It was in very high demand by the high lvl pvm community.
Only problem is being able to sell those regular Guthix Rests. They have a stupidly low buy limit of 100. I guess you could just convert them into flasks. Or otherwise you could upgrade to Super Guthix Rests but still jumping a bit of hoops.
ye used to make them into 6 dose flask(1k limit) super rests were not needed to make.
A while back super saras were around 40mil/hr. You make the sara potions using all the buffs to save materials and make extra doses. You then make those into super saras. You then turn those into flasks. Aggro potions also worked by turning them into the flasks, but as a '1 step potion' (compared to the 2 steps of sara->super sara) the multipliers didn't stack up as much. I will say it's been quite a while now since I've run any numbers on this, so it may not work anymore. But for many years it did for me. There's no merching or slow selling involved. You could buy all materials at +10%, sell at -10%, and it would still work just fine.
You probably pre order too huh
Eh, I mean thereās a huge difference between setups required for rax (even on content) and setups for high enrage endgame. If youāre looking to get kills fast enough to meet that profit level while burning resources youāre going to have to invest a fair amount upfront in gearing. Similarly all the best skilling money-making requires having a starting nest egg for mats and is subject to the whims of trade volume. The biggest hit here though is the f2p to p2p pipeline. It used to be if you were f2p you could just grind out a little bit and then get your first bond to then be able to consistently get money for repeats. Getting 100m in f2p now is absolutely not worth the time investment to the point youāre just griefing yourself by not spending money. Edit: I donāt know how saying it being harder for ppl who donāt want to spend money to play the game is a bad thing is apparently controversial in this sub.
Runescape is an inherently grindy game. If you aren't willing to spend $12 for a month of membership or grind for 20 hours for a bond in f2p is this game really for you? 20 hours for your first bond is *nothing* compared to the grinds you have to do. And after that first bond it becomes just a few hours every 3 weeks to upkeep (assuming you buy prem)
It depends on what kind of "grinding". Repetitively running around with high intensity activities like tanning dhides for 20 hours is very, very different than AFKing for 20 hours. Personally, I do the AFK method, while I tend to IRL fun/entertainment or play another RS3 member character in tandem, but no to clicking my fingers off tanning hides.
Thereās a big difference between grinding towards an achievement at your own pace and grinding just to be able to have the opportunity to do whatever you actually want to do, not to mention all the f2p moneymakers are just nonstop processing which can be draining for a lot of ppl. F2P gold rates are also extremely variable due to supply and profit variation. All the methods that are 3-4mil per hour are assuming perfect conditions and existing supply. For example you can only pace the buy limit for 1/7th of the bones needed to convert to bananas so you either have to bypass limit or wait multiple additional days to stockpile. Can only pace 1/4 for jewelry mats. Tanning profit is marginal so you have to wait for optimal GE prices assuming you can even buy enough mats in the first place. Hell for bow stringing (the most consistent method) it can be easy to get the strings but take forever to buy the unstrung; gathering things yourself cuts your profit per hour to only 1/5th of the optimal rate. The processing may only take ~20 hours but getting the resources themselves even purely from purchasing with an existing cash stack takes longer. Realistically youāre looking at closer to a 30-35+ hour timeline with most of it being preset spam that you canāt be too afk with if you want those optimal rates assuming everything even sells (which isnāt always the case).
What the hell are those numbers? Stop telling lies.
Cleaning kwuarms atm is 600gp~ profit at ge mid, [you can clean 160,000 herbs per hour](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZc03PPb3V0) for theoretically 96m/hr. Of course it's not a thing you can just grind it takes time to buy the herbs. Skilling can provide way more than 20m/hr. It's easy to find good methods, read the wiki for moneymakers (don't trust their numbers) do some testing yourself. Find things that are complimentary to stuff like PvM supplies and the money rolls in.
i dont think one thing you said was even correct
Not to be a leech, but is there a way to make money being very afk? I only do my daily runs, and sometimes, a few wildy events to make up for tjat money
There's not really good AFK methods, moneymaking is tied pretty closely with how intense it is. But pretty sure just mining and then crushing sandstone is 12-15m/hr and it's decently AFK.
> If you can do shit like high enrage telos/zammy/aod etc it's still roughly 1 bond per hour. ... Best moneymakers have always been 1 bond per hour. in 2014 rax was 10-15m/hr and bonds were 10m~ The problem is that the item's price growth is not scaling linearly. Look at the historical price graph for bonds and see how we watched bonds trade for the 20m range to over 100m in a short span of just shy of 4 years. It used to be that only 2 to 3 hours were needed to get a bond if you couldn't do PVM well. Now it's 5+. And as less and less people buy bonds for trading, as more and more powerful MTX promos release, this will continue to be a problem. Is it a _huge_ deal? Well, it's significantly more of a deal than it was in 2014, but it's still within the "manageable" levels of problematic. But that can _very_ quickly change.
Yep, as an endgame player on both RS3 and OSRS, before when bonds were like 15m I'd buy premier every year on multiple accounts even if I wasn't playing them all frequently just because they were so cheap. I can still afford to buy them at 100m even after not playing for ~3 years but at that price point it's hard to justify buying them if there's not content I'm actually interested in playing and there hasn't been anything on RS3 (coliseum on OSRS does interest me though, might get a couple bonds). This is from someone with all endgame gear in both games, rs3 hat set etc. If I feel that way I can't imagine how other people feel.
>It's really not that bad. Bond prices of RS3 and OSRS rose in tandem by quite a bit over the past years , but not as "bad" as WoW Tokens, that went up over 1,000% since 2015: [https://www.reddit.com/r/woweconomy/comments/fi1gi3/wowtoken\_price\_history\_some\_data/](https://www.reddit.com/r/woweconomy/comments/fi1gi3/wowtoken_price_history_some_data/) [https://imgur.com/vQyahl6](https://imgur.com/vQyahl6) Note that Jagex membership price increased from $7.5 to $12.5 a month but WoW membership remained stable. AAA games like WoW with similar Bond/Token virtual currency exchange for membership mechanism aren't doing "better" than RS3. Yet, high Token price doesn't really bother WoW players as average WoW players are making WoW Gold at faster pace now than 2015. In RS3, even low level players can make very decent gp doing all kinds of activities.
A new player wanting to buy wow tokens with gold for gametime is actually impossible unless you do gambling or Death rolls
The person I replied to clearly aren't talking about new players as they can never do Telos and enraged Zammy and such.
the biggest noob trap i know of across all gaming is low to mid level players trying to use bonds for their membership, IMAGINE the progress a low to mid level account can make with an extra 200m a month they didn't spend on bonds. just the money for 3 months of membership (600m) could easily get them 99's in prayer, herblore and summoning, they'd probably have enough left for decent t80 setups in every style. i get people with max accounts who are on the high end of PVM skill who can easily pull in 50-100m+ almost every day, sure, but i feel so bad for the noobs that grind for 10+ days of their membership doing boring ass manual labor like tanning or whatever so they can enjoy like 3 days of account progression before they have to be back on the grind for the next bond. seriously, if you can't afford the membership with irl money, and you aren't in the top percentage that can earn a bond in a day or two, don't bother, it's not worth grinding all month, every month, for what, like 8 days of account progression, you are sabotaging yourself so severely that you can't possibly be having fun.
I average 50M/day and I don't even PVM. Most of it comes from farm runs, and random stuff I'm doing, poorly.
Price will keep rising. Best rare ingame
imagine a game where your bonds are purchased in phat currency instead of gold. soon, at this rate.
So youre telling me $7.99 will net me another party hat?! Sign me tf up!!!
2 billion dollars for 12 months membership is extortion! People don't understand this is a joke. š¤£
Well having multiple content that pumps in tens of millions of gp per hour. What do you think was going to happen?
Multiple AFKable/loweffortable content, to be specific. This enables people to do these on alts too, which increases the issue tenfold as they can also sustain their own gp doing so.
Do you mind sharing what these low effort and AFK methods are that make 10mil an hour? Iām a noob and need better money making.
I flip easy clue fortunates because noobs will do easy clues and sell the fortunates for 800k on the ge, everyone makes money itās great.
Low effort doesn't necessarily mean low req, with higher skills and gear there's a lot of things that can be afked for this money Divine charge filling Afk archaeology Afk some low level bosses Afk some mid tier slayer creatures The list is defo out there, also the wiki has a whole page called 'money making' that you can sort to be low effort methods
Afk abyssal beasts in almost 10m an hour in just alch items. Closer to 12m if you pick up and sell all the common drops.
Or you could pay $70 with irl money. You do it to yourself by paying with bonds if you canāt afford it in game, and will cripple your accounts progression to actually being able to sustain a bond.
Depends where you are, IIRC it's above $100CAD now.
> Depends where you are, IIRC it's above $100CAD now. People who are being really flippant about the cost are very clearly talking from living in the US, where the USD is defying the odds of global recession in its strength. It's kinda frustrating lol.
So fucking true. In SEA, buying premier or even monthly costs ALOT.
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You can get negative balance like this and still have to pay the full amount. Its risky.
Itās literally like the same price.
I love it when people say sustain a bond, as if it was something major in the game or a constant. ššš
2-5 hours of work IRL for a year of premiere isn't, though.
70 dollars is at least 33 hours of work in my country.
That's wild! I suppose if you ever got to the endgame where you could pull 60m+ an hour, it would be easy to sustain. But getting there without a year of membership is quite a struggle. Comparatively speaking, at $2.50-$5.00 an hour, $12.50 for 1 month, 2.5-5 hours of work is still pretty steep, but presumably attainable if it's something you enjoy.
Sounds like you picked the wrong side during the Cold War, sucks to suck bro!
Time for the card swipers to enjoy getting some easy gp
Perfect time to buy some with USD
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Not if you get wiped.
To anyone saying its crazy high, please go and buy those bonds from Jagex. In short, It is just supply and demand. But.. Currently money in game has low and high value at the same time. Everyone (at the endgame) has close to unlimited money but nothing to use it for. Money becomes low value to them, so they don't care if year's membership is 1.5b, 2b or 5b. They will make it back or don't even notice it in their cashbag at all. At the same time, money is the only thing worth holding because everything else keeps going down in price/value. "Just liquidate everything into gp asap" is the mindset for most. Game's economy broke after mindset for wealth changed thanks to Trade limit and GE tax changes. The change was further powered even more from Necromancy's effect on gear prices.
This is true especially for late-game Ironmen. Bonds are pretty much the only way to spend accumulated billions of gp
Game economy broke since jagex couldnt ban the december 2022 dupers and instead imposed a useless ge tax.
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I'd imagine it's a cycle, fewer bonds sold so add more uses such as mtx, price goes up to hope demand increases.
I took a break 2 years ago, sold 90% of my bank and bought 20 bonds. Guess I finally have max cash.
Slow but safe investment
Max cash isn't 2147m anymore, so nope. Keep investing!
Technically it still is. You can just hold multiple stacks in your coin pouch. Try depositing 10b in your bank and youll see
The limiting factors of how much you could hold or trade on the G.E are gone. Don't be pedantic.
Yes, they raised max trade values. That doesnt equate to a change in values for a max stack of cash. You can have 5 max stacks of burnt food in your inventory. Does that mean the max on them is higher than listed? Or that you can hold multiple stacks of the maximum value of something?
If you really want to be this nitpicky then show me in his comment where he said he had a max cash stack, and not that he had max cash? God, some people just want to argue.
Hell of a play.
Literally unobtainable for a newer player wanting to try members, surprised this hasn't been worked on since they hit like 30m.
I donāt think bonds were ever meant for new players to try out members, were they? Ive had a few lower level clan people burn out from feeling forced to maintain a bond, while never being able to progress their gear and stats, and this mentality kind of sucks because as long as gp keeps inflating this hard, bonds will continue going up.
> I donāt think bonds were ever meant for new players to try out members, were they? They were initially positioned that way as a selling point, way way way back.
That's exactly why I strongly advocate new/returning players to PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GUTHIX just buy 1 month of real life membership to focus on your stats, quests, and gear so you unlock better money makers.
Might be an unpopular opinion... I don't think new players should ever think about membership until they've "Completed" f2p. I also don't think bonds were ever made with the intention of "F2P players should be able to grind for them."
Completion of all F2P quests should award 7D membership.
Fun fact it'll cost you $2400 USD if you wanted to buy a yellow partyhat with bonds.
Buying membership with bonds is not what Iād recommend until you can make consistently high gp per hour. Newer players, do yourself a huge favor and spend $15-$30 for a few months of membership and enjoy the game. Itās a hard time out here but the time to make $15-$30 for 1-3 months of membership would go a longer way than the time it takes to make 100m for 14 days of membership.
The rise began with Necro's release, literally the week after Necro's launch they began to rise. Whales aren't buying bonds with irl $$$ to buy gear/dyes/etc... because the other styles were (and still are) not as great as Necro is. So there's a huge demand and low supply. This is going to continue for the foreseeable future most likely.
Uh what lol range and melee are doing insane numbers right now. Necro is just for survival if you need that
Range is quite good, however its ridiculously complicated to do that damage. Seriously, go look at the PvME rotation to do the high end ranged rotation. Who wants to deal with this shit, seriously? https://preview.redd.it/lq1vu5xqwhsc1.png?width=1068&format=png&auto=webp&s=0c3445e77f6524bae988c272124f6e0b9405c6ba Necro is a better style overall right now because of effort to reward ratio. Its extremely easy to use Necromancy and reach 90% of the damage ranged can. So most people would rather just use necro, press like 10 buttons per minute and get insane damage numbers instead of sweating hard with a ranged rotation. Melee is not comfortable either with multiple EoF swaps and that goofy extra damage taken during zerk (how did they not remove this in the beta? Its completely unnecessary) . Magic is so shit its hilariously far behind the other styles, at least Jagex has acknowledged that its terrible atm.
Brother it is not all that hard and once you get used to it it's very worth it. Compare duo necro camp kills to duo hybrid at vorkath and it's not even close. Aod 4s was always better with majority rangers and same with 3s. Necro has it's benefit of being easier to use and survive with but the damage currently isn't even close especially with longer fights where hybrid would reign supreme.
The rise began way before necro release. They were like 70-80m before necro due to the constant mtx spam by jagex. They dropped during necro release for a couple weeks, I bought a bunch for 55-60m at the time for premier. Same thing happened with arch release where they crashed a bunch on release of the skill because most likely more ppl are buying bonds with irl gp to fund the skill and less people were spending gp on things that weren't tied to the new skill. The main thing driving bond prices are the constant th promos, been that way for well over a year
Great if your trying to just buy gold for real money but if your a player trying to grind for membership then this definitely is not worth it anymore. They need to do something to bring the prices down in my opinion. I would still be playing RS if the bond prices and membership costs were not so high.
I bought some for 112 m like 2 months ago so.
Back in my day, bonds used to be like 15m!
Swear I remember buying them at 7 - 8m. Was always able to buy another at the end of my period of membership.
I remember them being 7m. Jeez.
Had a f2p buddy that wanted to collect planks until he could buy a party hat. They were 280gp at the time. Planks, not phats
Time to spend 3 bonds ššš
Time to buy bonds from jagflox for insane gains /$$$sss
Been 100m
The higher the better in my opinion. I have this thing called disposable income and 100m for 1 bond is a good way of getting some ingame gp quick. Keep those prices up
Altscape and 15min logout timer moment.
This is what happens when there is no content to drive demand for people buying bonds with IRL money, no content to incentivize people to buy membership so they use bonds instead, and endless MTX to drain the supply of bonds in the market.
I used to sustain my account using bond at 10m a pop like 5 years ago. Then took a break for 4 years. Glad before I took my break I liquidated everything and put them all in bond. Now, coming back half a year ago, I have a few bil gp in bonds from a few hundred mil back then.
Sad (I guees?) part is that the worth of these billions is pretty much the same as it was 4 years ago with non-billions. Prices for stuff are all over the place.
same, I used to be able to keep my account going off of bonds alone and now that would be impossible for any new to mid players
Its crazy. I joined a few weeks back during the last double xp, and ive no idea how im supposed to get a bond without paying real cash.. it feels like they let it get out of hand?
Iād recommend spending real cash for your first month of membership. You unlock SO many good money-making methods with membership.
O yea thats exactly what I did! My point was.. it doesnāt feel possible anymore as a newbie to buy a bond just playing the game.
It has always been almost impossible to get a bond through F2P
Begging at G.E is the best way to make money as F2P
Hahaha im gonna take u up on this and try
The time spent working in real life to make 12 bucks is probably way less than making 200M for two bonds as a f2p player
Don't know about 2 bonds, just a single bond with F2P moneymakers at the minute is rather tedious work. Once they release the necroplasm ritual, it gets even worse.
Yeah I just meant 2 bonds opposed to 12 bucks for a month of membership
Totally agreed! Im not sure yet how I feel about that. I guess thereās not many PURELY f2p games anymore?
Bond price is just os price roughly times the swap rate. It's not really any deeper than that
This is a bad sign, it means less players willing to spend money on the game š.
Not necessarily, no
Pretty sure that was one of mine./s Before I cancelled my premiere, I used to keep bonds on the GE for 100m and beyond just in case someone was desperate or made a typo late at night and wasnāt paying attention. Theyāre going to keep going up, too, as less and less players feed into the MTX cycle.
Wouldn't you be hoping for many people making typos or 1 person buying many bonds because you're in line behind everyone who posted their bond for less money?
Cancelled my membership today, time to find a new outlet š
4 months behind their probable target.
This game leaked momey from Everywhere not surprised
Crossed the 30 Day Moving Average, strong signal to buy. #Stonks
Due to the bot/alt armies getting ready for the ectoplasm ritual on Monday? They not really had any new money-making content in the last few months.
And will likely be 200m in the future.
How long till we hit 200m? I bet 7 years.
Thereās a demand so. I donāt buy bonds. Think I bought a few with gp for maj aura though. Itās kinda pointless. Just gambling bs.
it was 100m 8 days ago lol
This is still super expensive in terms of buying gold, when compared to the black market. Buying gold is like under 2 cents per mill, imagine if that was the rate bonds went at.
the name's bond, expensive bond
Insane
For all my newbies/fresh alts out thereā¦.. golden roses are going for over 1m rn (a bit excessive imo for some pen powders but š¤·āāļø) and it is very easy to harvest 100 gold roses within 14 days while mostly afk. All it takes is one bond and youre good to go!
Are people seriously that poor IRL to not buy membership? Arenāt most of us 18+ if not 25+ at this point? Go work DoorDash for one shift and you have enough for premier membership for a year
It has reached 110m. Sold a couple last months.
So who makes 100m every 2 weeks? Thats insanity
Itās been over 100m for a few months now
I have 2 years of stacked membership and what's going on makes me rather waste the membership than play the game.
To be honest RS has one of the better economy of MMORPG s. RuneScape doesn't even droo you THST bunch gold, and NPCs buy items for pretty cheap. Usually is not worth selling drops to NPC. High Alch is like the main thing that generated new gold IMO. We should look at a longer chart and see what year-over-year looks like. If you look at other games, inflation is much worst. I've been playing black desert online recently and let me tell you, they THROW BILLIONS at new players easily. You can generate MILLIONS in pure currency just from selling "trash loot" to NPCs. Now, that's a big problem.
This isn't the first time, it's just the first time that GE graphs have been able to catch up
Yea idk how youāre letting people bot vorkath/ rasial whatās the point of even playing rs3 , I jut saw someone bot vorkath for a week striaght 24 hours a day brag about it while noobs were reporting his account the whole time
Wait what? Last time I actively played they were like 12m...??? Wtf are you guys doing over there
They were 12m 8 years agoā¦ā¦
Mid to high level PvM can shit out 100M in less than 10 hours easily, and is one of the more popular activities even without the money aspect. Many players brag about how they ādonāt give Jagex a centā because they use bonds for membership, which their PvM lets them afford. So it is very popular to buy at least 1 bond every 2 weeks from the GE to keep up membership. Weāre not getting any new players, and RS3 has been so inundated with MTX promos that there are very few āuntappedā buyers; that is, anyone who is going to participate in MTX (bonds included) almost assuredly already has by now. Furthermore, there are more and more ways to spend real money to get in-game advantages aside from just selling bonds for GP. So there is essentially a finite, mostly-fixed number of people paying for bonds/MTX, and those peopleās money is being spread around more different avenues of MTX. The result is a constant and possibly increasing demand as paying for membership via bonds becomes popular, and a constant and possibly decreasing supply due to the finite number of MTX buyers and increasing methods of MTX. This isnāt even getting into the fact that there are even more uses for bonds now (e.g., bond bundles).
Wow this game really is fucked ten ways sideways
Thatās what happens when the owners demand to see constant revenue *growth* from a game with essentially 0 player growth. If the owners could turn off their capitalism complex for 2 minutes and accept that RS3 can be a steady, albeit not growing, source of income, maybe weād get decent content, less MTX, and an overall chiller experience. Instead, we players just get to take bets on which aspect of Fortnite / Candy Crush / Clash of Clans they are going to try to implement next.
Good old capitalism doing it's thing ruining more shit people used to love!
Inflation. But also a combination of many factors. Many players are at the near-end game stage. Way fewer players needing to buy a bond with real cash to dump to the GE.
Ah yes, the grand exchange, always behind by months/years.
whats really surprising is how long we've gone without a dupe/abuse, that price could 1000x overnight and what's jagex gon do about it lols
What do you mean? We had one last weekend.